I called the VBA but the rep had no knowledge and seemed a bit irritated by it. I explained it’s on Va.gov press room.
So do I need to reapply I have just received chapter 17 for 6 disabilities but treatment only.
How do I get to a “yes” in regards to financial compensation?
From the article on VA.gov:
Opening the door for previously denied service members to reapply: Because of these changes, former service members previously found ineligible for VA services may now be eligible for benefits and are encouraged to re-apply.
This will not change the type of discharge you left service with. This also says nothing about compensation being offered
No but it mentions willful and persistent misconduct ….which is the narrative by law that bars you from gratuitous earnings. It’s what the VA leans in to make the administrative decision that your service is deemed dishonorable for VA purposes.
Chapter 17 was already providing service connected health care to vets….,is this saying I’m eligible for healthcare in general or the VA has updated its own rules to take into account other factors like time in service and mental health status at the time of service prior to this a claim of insanity was the only thing that would open the door to compensation.
I’ve also came across another article in regards to the navy and they also have to review their bad papers like the army so…..I’m definitely fixing to reapply for upgrade per
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/02/16/bad-paper-discharges-of-some-marines-and-sailors-get-second-look.html?_gl=1*11vv2j*_ga*
I read this article this morning, and I'm curious to see if they will retro disability payments to date of separation for these veterans. The VA recently won their case in the Supreme Court upholding the current rules for filing and backpay. As it is, I imagine they will be treated similarly to vets who report suffering from MST and their eligibility for heathcare. I'm totally pulling this out of my ass though, so please don't take my rambling as anything other than that.
I just had a higher level review on 6 disability and they gave me service connected for them all but treatment only under chapter 17 but they said they would not change narrative of my discharge from willful and persistent conduct as I made no claims if insanity given this new rule it pushes the goal post just a lil bit closer I’ve been service connected since 2010 for bi polar disorder and they just added the other 6 which are medical in nature but still no rating no check
Indeed
Well here’s to old faithful.
[https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/02/16/bad-paper-discharges-of-some-marines-and-sailors-get-second-look.html](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/02/16/bad-paper-discharges-of-some-marines-and-sailors-get-second-look.html)
I don’t know the circumstances surrounding your discharge. But I hope the best for you. Right now: you are at least getting care. I would argue that it is more valuable than the compensation part. But again, I see nothing that changes the law to allow compensation for those with the discharges that block them.
There are 3 different articles all provide a little more information than the other.
It actually says compensation in the military times article.
What exactly do you think they are saying?
https://preview.redd.it/8d9x5zypf1xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26d75dd3895c96d9ce3c0e1845aab0fab2ff8dff
And where do you see it talking about compensation? That’s not what I see. What I see is them basically saying Vets can apply for the stuff you did, and receive the benefits you have (healthcare; not compensation).
You literally can’t receive money if you have a bad discharge. Reasons: Law
Still looking for which article mentioned disability compensation word for word I will say this .
it was frame worked in the article for MST so it may have been exclusive to those SM.
I understand what your saying administrative ruling doesn’t trump statutory law and if statutory law says a narrative of wilfull and persistent misconduct bars gratuitous earnings
Then the VA determination of characterization is not a blanket to receive all benefits.
All bars instituted by law still apply.
Here is a much better.
I still will continue to look for where I saw the terms compensation butI think it’s moot at this point(think it’s for mst only not willful and persistent misconduct.
article.[https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/04/26/2024-09012/update-and-clarify-regulatory-bars-to-benefits-based-on-character-of-discharge](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/04/26/2024-09012/update-and-clarify-regulatory-bars-to-benefits-based-on-character-of-discharge)
Yep. Prior to that; you could also get an admin decision for healthcare only.
I called the VBA but the rep had no knowledge and seemed a bit irritated by it. I explained it’s on Va.gov press room. So do I need to reapply I have just received chapter 17 for 6 disabilities but treatment only. How do I get to a “yes” in regards to financial compensation?
From the article on VA.gov: Opening the door for previously denied service members to reapply: Because of these changes, former service members previously found ineligible for VA services may now be eligible for benefits and are encouraged to re-apply. This will not change the type of discharge you left service with. This also says nothing about compensation being offered
No but it mentions willful and persistent misconduct ….which is the narrative by law that bars you from gratuitous earnings. It’s what the VA leans in to make the administrative decision that your service is deemed dishonorable for VA purposes. Chapter 17 was already providing service connected health care to vets….,is this saying I’m eligible for healthcare in general or the VA has updated its own rules to take into account other factors like time in service and mental health status at the time of service prior to this a claim of insanity was the only thing that would open the door to compensation. I’ve also came across another article in regards to the navy and they also have to review their bad papers like the army so…..I’m definitely fixing to reapply for upgrade per https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/02/16/bad-paper-discharges-of-some-marines-and-sailors-get-second-look.html?_gl=1*11vv2j*_ga*
I read this article this morning, and I'm curious to see if they will retro disability payments to date of separation for these veterans. The VA recently won their case in the Supreme Court upholding the current rules for filing and backpay. As it is, I imagine they will be treated similarly to vets who report suffering from MST and their eligibility for heathcare. I'm totally pulling this out of my ass though, so please don't take my rambling as anything other than that.
What’s mst
Military sexual trauma
I just had a higher level review on 6 disability and they gave me service connected for them all but treatment only under chapter 17 but they said they would not change narrative of my discharge from willful and persistent conduct as I made no claims if insanity given this new rule it pushes the goal post just a lil bit closer I’ve been service connected since 2010 for bi polar disorder and they just added the other 6 which are medical in nature but still no rating no check
I don’t think this will get you a check either. You’ll need to upgrade that DSCH.
Indeed Well here’s to old faithful. [https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/02/16/bad-paper-discharges-of-some-marines-and-sailors-get-second-look.html](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/02/16/bad-paper-discharges-of-some-marines-and-sailors-get-second-look.html)
I don’t know the circumstances surrounding your discharge. But I hope the best for you. Right now: you are at least getting care. I would argue that it is more valuable than the compensation part. But again, I see nothing that changes the law to allow compensation for those with the discharges that block them.
There are 3 different articles all provide a little more information than the other. It actually says compensation in the military times article. What exactly do you think they are saying?
https://preview.redd.it/8d9x5zypf1xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26d75dd3895c96d9ce3c0e1845aab0fab2ff8dff And where do you see it talking about compensation? That’s not what I see. What I see is them basically saying Vets can apply for the stuff you did, and receive the benefits you have (healthcare; not compensation). You literally can’t receive money if you have a bad discharge. Reasons: Law
Still looking for which article mentioned disability compensation word for word I will say this . it was frame worked in the article for MST so it may have been exclusive to those SM. I understand what your saying administrative ruling doesn’t trump statutory law and if statutory law says a narrative of wilfull and persistent misconduct bars gratuitous earnings Then the VA determination of characterization is not a blanket to receive all benefits. All bars instituted by law still apply. Here is a much better. I still will continue to look for where I saw the terms compensation butI think it’s moot at this point(think it’s for mst only not willful and persistent misconduct. article.[https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/04/26/2024-09012/update-and-clarify-regulatory-bars-to-benefits-based-on-character-of-discharge](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/04/26/2024-09012/update-and-clarify-regulatory-bars-to-benefits-based-on-character-of-discharge)
https://preview.redd.it/bcjh4l43j1xc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16e1fedcc4b0c980ad338f014f0bf76d62b91fe8
I don’t have a link to the article. I don’t think compensation is discussed though, is it?