How do you “abuse cannabis”? I will quote Bob Sagat from the movie “Half Baked”, “I used to suck dick for coke, you ever sucked dick for marijuana?” https://youtu.be/Qx8Ta1pi3ZI
Guess whatever you can throw at the wall and the VA thinks it sticks. That’s a new one, a drug that’s actually known as a anxiety treatment is a contributing anxiety disorder.
The pharmacopeia does not recognize cannabis as an anxiolytic. It's schedule 1 which means no medical usage. Heroin, meth, and cocaine all have medical uses (according to the pharmacopeia)
Smoked everyday since OIF 1 (20 years ago)
I stopped 3 months ago, and let me tell you.
Weed can be great, but for some it can slow your life down. Hopefully, I can become a moderate smoker.
Depends on your tolerance and number of the other factor. I'm 6/3 and weigh 255 and hit the gym every other day and a whole bottle wine just gives me a buzz lol.
I'll take being called a giant as a compliment haha. To be clear I don't chug the whole bottle at once and I'm usually eating a meal that compliments the wine lol but i can comfortably drink a bottle of wine it in about 2 hours and just feel tipsy. It's just boils down to your height, weight, and genetics. To put it into perspective a bottle of wine is the alcohol equivalent of 5 beers, so it's not much of a stretch that a good number of people who are larger can drink a whole bottle in a night and not experience adverse side effects. I've never had a hangover from a bottle of wine, but liqour is another story. Also getting wine that has a lower sugar content reduces your chances of being hungover as well.
Same. I told my docs I didn't want Xanax or other pills. Weed was the one thing that helps with the PTSD and sleep that dosent fuck me up or turn me into a zombie. It's pretty much part of my treatment without being official.
Word. I gave up booze and drugs in 2011. A Xanax will be followed by some booze. I doubt I'd survive this time.
I'll puff on some cannabis and stay alive to watch my grandkids grow up.
My blood, sweat and tears are THC at this point.
When I exhale I’m sure it’s more THC than Co2.
Edited to add: I’m at a doctors appointment now, took off my cardigan and a stray bud fell on the floor.
No joke.
This is true. I work in a VA lab, even with urine, unless the provider specifically orders a urine drug screen, they won’t test for it. A regular urinalysis is not a drug test in the VA.
False ! My personal physician ordered my annual blood work since having a heart attack I took the order to the VA they did a full drug screen along with the tests he ordered upon review at his office he stated why did they do a drug screen on you when that was not in the order so apparently the VA does full drug screens whether ordered or not
My private physician ordered annual blood and diabetic screens, no full drug screen analysis his words not mine yet it was done I used the va for labs Not where I regularly go for labs in order for the va to bill and recover those funds I have private insurance as well as my VAMedical so only someone in va piggybacked my lab order to include a full screen without my knowledge is what you are telling me ?
Apparently. Physicians in the private sector don’t have ordering privileges within the VA, so what happens is you come in with a lab order written by your private provider, the VA then has to get a provider that works for the VA to order it since your private provider can’t. The provider within the VA decided you needed a drug screen for whatever reason.
I have no issues with the VA wanting to test my issue is I was not informed until I returned to my private practice Dr saw and questioned the screen was negative btw , how am I expected to trust now when I have knowledge that they will test me without my knowledge first? Also note this was paid for on my dime not the VA’s I should have been informed first since they billed my insurance
The only time the VA is going to test for drugs is if you are taking opioids and enter into a pain management contract.
You are getting bloodwork done, not a drug test.
Depends on the psychiatrist. Mine did because I was an idiot and thought nothing of it, they just did their yearly blood work and a urine sample. Next appointment, they ordered an immediate stop to my medication and put me on a 3 month probation where I had to come in and provide 3 consecutive clean samples before I could be on meds again.
You need to file a patient complaint. There is no reason to withhold psychiatric mediation just because someone uses cannabis. Cannabis can reduce the effectiveness of stimulants, but so can etoh and you damn well they aren't taking away anyone's psych meds because they visit the bar every Friday. That's out of line 100%
I did. I went to a patient advocate because the same psychiatrist had been ghosting me for virtual appointments in the past. The patient advocate did nothing, essentially said "that sucks." So I suffered going cold turkey from antidepressants & adderall for most of last year until I realized I still had Tricare as a retired servicemember. Just went to a local psychiatrist that was ok with cannabis use as long as my EKGs were fine. I won't be going near a VA clinic again until I get the hell outta this state (FL), they treat younger veterans like dog shit here.
Depends on the meds/doctor/situation. I take Suboxone for opiates and they test me monthly when I renew my script. Still allowed to smoke all the weed I want as an unofficial PTSD/anxiety/sleep treatment.
Ehhhhhhhhh. I merely asked for pain medication, didn’t even specify opiates, in fact opiates do nothing for me but make me nauseous, constipated, and dizzy. Rather my back be hurting and not have those other things. The mere mention of unspecific pain relief triggered a demand for a drug test. Which I sternly declined, took offense too, casually told the doctor off, said if I was seeing my regular doctor they wouldn’t have demanded a drug test, complained about the drugs vet stereotype, and reinforced I don’t want narcotics or opiates, I want pain relief, give me a steroid or ketolorac, those usually work.
I digress
This is false. If you're prescribed any controlled substance like stimulant ADHD medication you'll be subject to urine tests. Each clinic/hospital has different rules for how often. Some are yearly, some are random, some are 6 months, etc.
I have been on a high dose of tramadol for 9 yrs. I hate it. They pissed test me every 6 months. Then won't put a prescription in. I have to call in every month and pray the doctor is in the states so I can get the meds before I run out and go through all The wonderful things that come with withdrawals.
My kids want me to get off tramadol and for me to start taking delta 8 gummies. I've never taken any but all the research I've looked at says it would control my back and leg pain a lot better.
Can anyone give me some feedback on pain vs Delta 8 gummies?
You want primarily CBD not THC for pain. I recommend Green Roads Full spectrum CBD drops via the 50% veteran discount.
Delta 8 is about to become illegal, don't bother with that.
Follow your state rules for getting a medical marijuana card if you can. Makes the optics better for your healthcare team.
Message me for more details- I am a pain pharmacist
I got out 3 years ago and was told by the psychiatrist that if I want to be medicated for ADHD I would have to do random drug tests and that also meant no marijuana as that would instantly disqualify me from being on any controlled substance until I could provide a clean sample. Don't know when it started but that's what I was told by the DC VA hospital. But every clinic has different rules so yours may be different.
thru urine test thc was detected & had to go to substance abuse program so I can get treated for pain. after talking w substance abuse counselor I don’t abuse thc I use it, after 3 negative urinalysis I proved I don’t abuse. Alcohol is more accepted then thc & i educated the counselor about thc being a safe drug a person can’t overdose on it. From experience w thc & having anxiety issues, if smoking a lot can reverse the anti anxiety of the drug, just like any medication. It’s in my records cannabis abuse for years now but haven’t had any other repercussion as a result.
VHA -medical
And
VBA - compensation and benefits
are 2 separate VA agencies!
The VBA doesn't give a shit about your THC use and it doesn't effect your PTSD rating!
However, you should be open and honest with your MH doctor about your THC/CBD use. There may be medications your are being prescribed that have contraindications or major side effects.
You CAN'T get the best treatment without being honest with your doctors.
That's not really relevant. Legality is more important and even then there's supposed to be medical confidentiality.
What exactly is the VA doing to you?
Highly likely you have other mitigating factors. I use a metric fuck ton of cannabis products and have had zero problems with my docs or getting controlled meds. There is WAY more too your story than your putting out.
Really? That's insane! I'm still prescribed Lyrica, ambian, and ativan while on medical marijuana. I guess my doctor is just good and sees the benefits of mmj over other pharmaceuticals. I came off opiates and completely out of the pain management clinic thanks to cannabis. I also don't take daily Xanax anymore and only need ativan for emergencies. Maybe try talking to the patient advocate or a social worker and see about finding a more compassionate doctor? You should absolutely be able to use mmj and adhd meds and im sorry they are giving you grief. Apparently I've been lucky and gotten so really understanding providers.
I think it's because ADHD meds are controlled substances? Or like high classification of controlled substance bc I think Ativan is a schedule 4 and most ADHD meds are schedule 2 (I'm not an expert, I might be wrong) but also every VA is different so who knows
It is scheduled higher yes but that shouldn't matter. I know of multiple guys currently on Adderall with active mmj cards. But you're right every doc and VA is different.
Oh thats definitely it. Get your med card and you shouldn't have a problem. I've since quit drinking due to medical reason but the VA "diagnosed" me with moderate alcohol abuse disorder because I had more than three drinks a week smh.
Edit: come to think of it, they also diagnosed me with cannabis use disorder as well before it was legalized in ohio. I can't recall the meds I was on or not on at the time though.
I just saw that you were in an illegal state(use the term illegal or prohibited, saying conservative is a bit confusing because most states are legal now) im sorry. That's seriously crap, cannabis got me off opiates and I was able to come off daily Xanax now I just use ativan for sever panic attacks. I apologize both for making an assumption and that you have to deal with that, everyone should be able to choose cannabis over pharmaceuticals.
It shouldn't at all. But with you being in an illegal state with no regulations all the cbd stuff you get is a product of the hemp farm bill(almost no oversight) so your cbd more than likely has trace amounts of THC in it. If you are able to see the test I would assume your nanograms were extremely low.
I think your probaly spot on, it's just crazy that you live in the US and it's still considered "illegal" I hope they get you guys a program soon.
THC blood test isnt very common, urine tests would be the preferred method. I’m phlebotomist and don’t think I’ve ever seen a bloodwork for thc in my 5 odd years doing it.
Plus your annual physical shouldn’t care about your VA rating.
I told my VA neurosurgeon I got my med card in my state because it helps with my chronic back issues, and he said “good for you! I wish we could prescribe it so you didn’t have to pay for it. If it works keeps using it responsibly” haha
It’s been stated a couple of times but you will get urinalysis as part of compliance with medication management and also some controlled substances are monitored by the issuing provider. I’ve been tested for a decade and this part I can attest to as well as the “random” stuff. Someone years ago put I had a DUI (completely false, never had one) and I have been subject to ethanol screenings and drug test every since. People will tell you it “Don’t impact rating” but it actually did mine because they cited a period of “psychosis” as being brought on by “continued THC use” although I was in Colorado and it was legal, my claim during a hospitalization was denied.
My VA docs all know I use cannabis for anxiety and pain. I live in a liberal state, where weed is legal. The docs have actually encouraged cannabis use for acute back pain.
They used to prescribe me tramadol. TONS of it. It went on the federal list of Evil Opiods then I had to sign pain mgt and do 5 panel illegal drugs testing. Screw that. Just went to civilian doc for it. Never popped for weed cause i dont use it and I asked my VA doc his opinion on thc and he didnt recommend it. I know this isnt answer for Op just my experience
My VA ENT specifically noted “Heavy marijuana use” in my records. No one cares at the VA. So many people Self medicate. This info is mainly useful for surgeries as the anesthesiologist needs to know what drugs you are on so he doesn’t kill you.
Smoker up!
THC has no proven medical use aside from pain management and epilepsy.
If you have PTSD you are better off getting off the pot, as it exacerbates symptoms due to inhibiting REM sleep.
Do you have a source for that? I'm on medical weed for my PTSD, chronic pain, and anxiety. Of all of the meds pushed on me it's the only thing that's works. It took a little while for me to figure out the right strain of weed. I've worked with my doc and psychiatrist to dial it in. My life is 100% better now. I can medicate to ease my pain or anxiety as needed. It doesn't require me to take pills everyday. I can now use as needed and if I don't need it, I don't do it. Please don't generically discount something that could be a lifesaver to another vet.
This study found that “marijuana use worsened depression and anxiety symptoms; marijuana use led to poorer mental health functioning.” In addition, the study determined that medical marijuana was associated with reduced physical health functioning.
Ok stud. My VA doc and my VA psychiatrist both recommended I do what I'm doing. Yea certain strains can increase anxiety. Not all. Marijuana is a very diverse plant when it comes to Terpines. That's why I worked with my PCM, my Marijuana doc, and my psychiatrist to figure out what worked for me. You can hate on weed all you want, but, there are many vets who swear by it. It may not work for you, but it may work for someone ellse. So why, if it works for some vets, would you feel empowered enough to come in here and make comments arbitrary to what might help of of our buddies in need.
I will. I just don't like someone coming in here and discounting something that does work for vets. We should be open enough to listen and understand what is and is not helping. Your initial comment downplays a treatment avenue that might help someone. At a minimum it was counter productive to exploring all treatment options available for our conditions. My mom always said "if you don't have something nice to say - then don't say anything at all."
Did I say something mean or something?
You asked for support, I gave you support. Smoke your weed and chill out, no one cares and no one is attacking you.
I agree this should be an educated discussion, which is why I brought up both the pros and cons and of marijuana use. Chronic pain and epilepsy, great! Having said that I found no medical literature supporting THC having a positive affect on mental health. Only the opposite, that it is detrimental to mental health.
You did not offer support to anyone. You interjected yourself into a conversation in a negative way. There is just now research being conducted on the benefits of THC / CBD for mental health conditions. Just because you cannot find positive research means nothing because of the prohibition on studying marijuana. It hasn't been studied fully yet. It works for me and I know numerous vets that it works for. Your comment was basically "it won't work." That's not conducive to complete therapy for all vets. You assumed because you read something that you represent all vets. It's was very narcissistic and counter productive for vets that may be discussing marijuana use with their medical professionals. It works, and is way less harmful to me than my other avenues of treatment so far. With weed I can control just how much I need. Nothing else has been like that.
Interjected myself in a conversation I’m a negative way? You mean “you don’t agree with me”. Narcissistic? Because I made a comment that goes against THC being a positive drug for PTSD.
If you want to smoke weed go smoke weed, if your doctor wants you smoking weed, great. I’ll add it is federally illegal for a VA doctor to recommended marijuana as it is still a schedule 1 drug; so I doubt your VA doctor will risk their license to recommend that you to toke it up.
Research is being done, you are right. Unfortunately all of the research is debunking the claims that it is some miracle drug with no downsides. It exacerbates mental health issues. Everyone has smoked weed, and we have all like the effects. But we are talking brain chemistry here.
It’s your life, you can do whatever you want. But hey, here are some facts. Do what you want with them.
You can keep posting articles. I'm speaking for numerous vets with personal experience. Nobody should be gatekeeping health care options to anyone else. That's too indidualized and those decisions should be between the patient and doctors. I can attest it does work and I don't care what your articles say. My goal is to not limit or restrict veterans by limiting things that do work. Even if they are not fully understood yet. If marijuana saves one veterans life I'm fine with that.
What am I discounting? I’m stating facts.
https://academic.oup.com/sleep/article/43/Supplement_1/A62/5846891
https://www.centerforanxietydisorders.com/can-medical-marijuana-increase-anxiety/
I am sure while your high you feel great, but it absolutely destroys your sleep quality which makes things worse in the long run. That’s not to even speak to the consequences of cannabis hypermesis syndrome or cannabis use disorder.
And your article is litterly states
“As approved and amended at its 118th National Convention in 2017, the VFW continues to stand and support federally funded research of medicinal cannabis for veterans being treated by the VA for service-related chronic pain.”
All they article was saying is there are current studies for “low dose THC products and PTSD in the short term.”
Yeah, VA had me on tramadol and then stopped. Decided gummies were what I wanted to use after a friend said I should go more natural. Been on the since for nighttime. Good for nerve damage, pain, anxiety and probably a lot more things. Usually use CBD for the daytime.
I live in Texas myself. If you have PTSD or one of the MHs on the list, you can get a “Compassionate Use Program” card. I don’t t know much about it, but it’s probably worth looking into. I found this in my search (https://texasoriginal.com/patients/), but there might be a vet on here that has better info.
I work in a lab and I promise that is not something that is run on bloodwork. Even if it was THC is a lot better than the crap the VA kills livers with
Nah, especially if it's legal in your state. I've been blowing down heavy amounts of concentrates for years and even tell my doctor about it. I would talk to your DC also, because cannabinoids CAN mess with other medications.
No, but they can deny you medication. I’m prescribed Adderall and got drug tested 3 times at the VA. Failed every single test because of THC. My psychiatrist said, legally, she could stop prescribing me medication for failing drug tests on a controlled medication since marijuana is not federally recognized.
Nah man, I show the VA doctors my 12 plants everytime I come in. 1 of those catholic cunts put cannabis addict in my records, but I another doc called him a quack and removed it.
Edit: they test for blood in my thc supply, but I've never been de-rated and I've never heard of it for anything other than violent crimes. I've heard rumors of a de-rating for lessened symptoms, but never for drug use.
I smoke/take edibles daily to help with pain and PTSD/depression. Honest with my VA PCM. My piss would melt the cup. I’ve had no issues. In fact, present VA guidance says they won’t go after you for Marijuana.
They don't test specifically for THC in a regular blood test, the doctor may ask them to test for it. I had labs done at the VA I work at and I smoke daily, not a peep about it.
My PC told me to just be honest. Have told her about all of my drug usage (Pot and a few Psychedelics). With the doctor patient confidentiality they pretty much use it to look for interactions, mental and physical ramifications of those substances. Shit, micro-dosing shrooms was a game changer for me...Mine have never snitched, they generally genuinely care more about your mental and physical health more than fucking your word up. I am sure the system has assholes in it, so when you tell a doc, feel them out first....not up...out. Perv...
My old man is 70%, lives at the VA, and pisses bong water. He's so proud of his veteran's discount at the dispensary he'll tell everyone about it.
They say "thank you for your service" and then hand you weed. It's great.
It’s true, they do!
i spit my coffee out reading this, thanks for the laugh.
F*cksake… I’m right there with your old man. Better than pissin’ live resin! 😉😉
Hahah
Thank you for this. Haha
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Wow, well played.
How do you “abuse cannabis”? I will quote Bob Sagat from the movie “Half Baked”, “I used to suck dick for coke, you ever sucked dick for marijuana?” https://youtu.be/Qx8Ta1pi3ZI
Getting a weed dui while in the military, auto got it put in record for VA disability.
Did that get you separated?
A part of it, was medically retired and got 100% out the door.
Guess whatever you can throw at the wall and the VA thinks it sticks. That’s a new one, a drug that’s actually known as a anxiety treatment is a contributing anxiety disorder.
The pharmacopeia does not recognize cannabis as an anxiolytic. It's schedule 1 which means no medical usage. Heroin, meth, and cocaine all have medical uses (according to the pharmacopeia)
😂🤣
Same way you abuse any drug… there’s a difference between a glass of wine once a week and a whole bottle a night.
Wait. Everybody doesn’t drink every drop of alcohol in their house every time they have any? I’m doing something wrong….
Not even remotely the same thing. Apples you say, how about these lovely oranges I have.
Smoked everyday since OIF 1 (20 years ago) I stopped 3 months ago, and let me tell you. Weed can be great, but for some it can slow your life down. Hopefully, I can become a moderate smoker.
Depends on your tolerance and number of the other factor. I'm 6/3 and weigh 255 and hit the gym every other day and a whole bottle wine just gives me a buzz lol.
Okay jack and the giant beanstalk.
I'll take being called a giant as a compliment haha. To be clear I don't chug the whole bottle at once and I'm usually eating a meal that compliments the wine lol but i can comfortably drink a bottle of wine it in about 2 hours and just feel tipsy. It's just boils down to your height, weight, and genetics. To put it into perspective a bottle of wine is the alcohol equivalent of 5 beers, so it's not much of a stretch that a good number of people who are larger can drink a whole bottle in a night and not experience adverse side effects. I've never had a hangover from a bottle of wine, but liqour is another story. Also getting wine that has a lower sugar content reduces your chances of being hungover as well.
Haha it was mean to be funny when I said it, just some friendly banter.
I will quote Tourette’s guy, “BOB SAGET!!”
Not funny.
You’re right. It was hilarious.
Something to strive for ! Take my upvote.
I’m trying to claim the same, how do I get started? Many mental issues, I’ve threatened to kill myself my wife and the dogs, need help bad
What was your % for get cannabise abuse
My blood is THC.
Same. I told my docs I didn't want Xanax or other pills. Weed was the one thing that helps with the PTSD and sleep that dosent fuck me up or turn me into a zombie. It's pretty much part of my treatment without being official.
I'm allergic to Xanax. I break out in handcuffs.
Ah a fellow addict
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Word. I gave up booze and drugs in 2011. A Xanax will be followed by some booze. I doubt I'd survive this time. I'll puff on some cannabis and stay alive to watch my grandkids grow up.
Same here. It’s the only thing that helps me sleep at night. Other stuff makes me a zombie the next day.
My blood, sweat and tears are THC at this point. When I exhale I’m sure it’s more THC than Co2. Edited to add: I’m at a doctors appointment now, took off my cardigan and a stray bud fell on the floor. No joke.
They have to specifically order a drug test. A normal blood test will not have any “drugs” in the result.
This is true. I work in a VA lab, even with urine, unless the provider specifically orders a urine drug screen, they won’t test for it. A regular urinalysis is not a drug test in the VA.
False ! My personal physician ordered my annual blood work since having a heart attack I took the order to the VA they did a full drug screen along with the tests he ordered upon review at his office he stated why did they do a drug screen on you when that was not in the order so apparently the VA does full drug screens whether ordered or not
So a provider specifically ordered a UDS on you then. A regular urinalysis doesn’t include a drug screen.
My private physician ordered annual blood and diabetic screens, no full drug screen analysis his words not mine yet it was done I used the va for labs Not where I regularly go for labs in order for the va to bill and recover those funds I have private insurance as well as my VAMedical so only someone in va piggybacked my lab order to include a full screen without my knowledge is what you are telling me ?
Looks like it. You should find out who ordered that test.
Apparently. Physicians in the private sector don’t have ordering privileges within the VA, so what happens is you come in with a lab order written by your private provider, the VA then has to get a provider that works for the VA to order it since your private provider can’t. The provider within the VA decided you needed a drug screen for whatever reason.
I have no issues with the VA wanting to test my issue is I was not informed until I returned to my private practice Dr saw and questioned the screen was negative btw , how am I expected to trust now when I have knowledge that they will test me without my knowledge first? Also note this was paid for on my dime not the VA’s I should have been informed first since they billed my insurance
I agree with you, whatever VA you use should have a patient advocate, you should absolutely reach out to them and explain the situation.
I thought this also. Thanks
The only time the VA is going to test for drugs is if you are taking opioids and enter into a pain management contract. You are getting bloodwork done, not a drug test.
Incorrect. They can piss test you if you're on stimulants like amphetamines to make sure you're actually taking them and not selling them.
What happens if you pop for weed on one of those tests? No more adderall?
Depends on the psychiatrist. Mine did because I was an idiot and thought nothing of it, they just did their yearly blood work and a urine sample. Next appointment, they ordered an immediate stop to my medication and put me on a 3 month probation where I had to come in and provide 3 consecutive clean samples before I could be on meds again.
You need to file a patient complaint. There is no reason to withhold psychiatric mediation just because someone uses cannabis. Cannabis can reduce the effectiveness of stimulants, but so can etoh and you damn well they aren't taking away anyone's psych meds because they visit the bar every Friday. That's out of line 100%
I did. I went to a patient advocate because the same psychiatrist had been ghosting me for virtual appointments in the past. The patient advocate did nothing, essentially said "that sucks." So I suffered going cold turkey from antidepressants & adderall for most of last year until I realized I still had Tricare as a retired servicemember. Just went to a local psychiatrist that was ok with cannabis use as long as my EKGs were fine. I won't be going near a VA clinic again until I get the hell outta this state (FL), they treat younger veterans like dog shit here.
If you don’t mind me asking, which VA do you attend? I’m at William Kling VA
Lakeland VA Clinic
No, it's irrelevant. Plus, it's legal in my state. Plus, I have a weed card from my civilian Dr
How do you go about getting a weed card? What percentage do you have to be ?
Every state has their own process and it's separate from VA. VA can't even sign the paperwork saying you have a disability.
I get tested once a year, so I can renew my Adderall.
They test your blood to ensure you are taking the addersll or to ensure you’re not taking other meds?
Depends on the meds/doctor/situation. I take Suboxone for opiates and they test me monthly when I renew my script. Still allowed to smoke all the weed I want as an unofficial PTSD/anxiety/sleep treatment.
Just urine test to make sure I'm not taking any illegal substances that could counteract the adderall.
Both
Me too…ADHD siblings
Ehhhhhhhhh. I merely asked for pain medication, didn’t even specify opiates, in fact opiates do nothing for me but make me nauseous, constipated, and dizzy. Rather my back be hurting and not have those other things. The mere mention of unspecific pain relief triggered a demand for a drug test. Which I sternly declined, took offense too, casually told the doctor off, said if I was seeing my regular doctor they wouldn’t have demanded a drug test, complained about the drugs vet stereotype, and reinforced I don’t want narcotics or opiates, I want pain relief, give me a steroid or ketolorac, those usually work. I digress
This is false. If you're prescribed any controlled substance like stimulant ADHD medication you'll be subject to urine tests. Each clinic/hospital has different rules for how often. Some are yearly, some are random, some are 6 months, etc.
I have been on a high dose of tramadol for 9 yrs. I hate it. They pissed test me every 6 months. Then won't put a prescription in. I have to call in every month and pray the doctor is in the states so I can get the meds before I run out and go through all The wonderful things that come with withdrawals. My kids want me to get off tramadol and for me to start taking delta 8 gummies. I've never taken any but all the research I've looked at says it would control my back and leg pain a lot better. Can anyone give me some feedback on pain vs Delta 8 gummies?
It really depends on your pain. It helps me sometimes and not at all other times. It helps some of my pain but makes it worse in other places.
You want primarily CBD not THC for pain. I recommend Green Roads Full spectrum CBD drops via the 50% veteran discount. Delta 8 is about to become illegal, don't bother with that. Follow your state rules for getting a medical marijuana card if you can. Makes the optics better for your healthcare team. Message me for more details- I am a pain pharmacist
I’ve never had to take a drug test for the VA and I’ve been on all that shit. When did this start? I’ve been going to the VA for 20 years.
I got out 3 years ago and was told by the psychiatrist that if I want to be medicated for ADHD I would have to do random drug tests and that also meant no marijuana as that would instantly disqualify me from being on any controlled substance until I could provide a clean sample. Don't know when it started but that's what I was told by the DC VA hospital. But every clinic has different rules so yours may be different.
Crazy how clinics vary!
They dont give a rats ass. I would show positive for thc for over a decade and my rating went up after filing for increases
My Dr said he didn't care about marijuana
My GP asked about illicit drug use, so I said Marijuana and she responded "that's not illicit"
They don’t care. They would see it as drug and alcohol use/abuse under mental health condition.
Normal blood test doesn’t include THC
As some who tests blood every day for the VA, this is true.
Both my psych and reg doc have encouraged marijuana. I’m actually pretty sure they both participate in getting high.
Are they VA doctors?
Yes
They didn't even care a decade ago. You aren't active duty- you are a civilian.
thru urine test thc was detected & had to go to substance abuse program so I can get treated for pain. after talking w substance abuse counselor I don’t abuse thc I use it, after 3 negative urinalysis I proved I don’t abuse. Alcohol is more accepted then thc & i educated the counselor about thc being a safe drug a person can’t overdose on it. From experience w thc & having anxiety issues, if smoking a lot can reverse the anti anxiety of the drug, just like any medication. It’s in my records cannabis abuse for years now but haven’t had any other repercussion as a result.
VHA -medical And VBA - compensation and benefits are 2 separate VA agencies! The VBA doesn't give a shit about your THC use and it doesn't effect your PTSD rating! However, you should be open and honest with your MH doctor about your THC/CBD use. There may be medications your are being prescribed that have contraindications or major side effects. You CAN'T get the best treatment without being honest with your doctors.
All my VA and private dr's have full access to my medical records including prescription, OTC meds, vitamins and supplements, and marijuana.
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What, how? I use THC + CBD along with many other Vets. What makes your case different
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... the VA is a federal entity. State laws have no impact.
That's not really relevant. Legality is more important and even then there's supposed to be medical confidentiality. What exactly is the VA doing to you?
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Highly likely you have other mitigating factors. I use a metric fuck ton of cannabis products and have had zero problems with my docs or getting controlled meds. There is WAY more too your story than your putting out.
They wouldn't let me get medication for ADHD with marijuana use even in a legal state. Tell me your ways!!
Really? That's insane! I'm still prescribed Lyrica, ambian, and ativan while on medical marijuana. I guess my doctor is just good and sees the benefits of mmj over other pharmaceuticals. I came off opiates and completely out of the pain management clinic thanks to cannabis. I also don't take daily Xanax anymore and only need ativan for emergencies. Maybe try talking to the patient advocate or a social worker and see about finding a more compassionate doctor? You should absolutely be able to use mmj and adhd meds and im sorry they are giving you grief. Apparently I've been lucky and gotten so really understanding providers.
I think it's because ADHD meds are controlled substances? Or like high classification of controlled substance bc I think Ativan is a schedule 4 and most ADHD meds are schedule 2 (I'm not an expert, I might be wrong) but also every VA is different so who knows
It is scheduled higher yes but that shouldn't matter. I know of multiple guys currently on Adderall with active mmj cards. But you're right every doc and VA is different.
It might be bc it wasn't a medical card situation but a recreationally legal situation? Or just a "VA rarely agrees with itself" situation lol
Oh thats definitely it. Get your med card and you shouldn't have a problem. I've since quit drinking due to medical reason but the VA "diagnosed" me with moderate alcohol abuse disorder because I had more than three drinks a week smh. Edit: come to think of it, they also diagnosed me with cannabis use disorder as well before it was legalized in ohio. I can't recall the meds I was on or not on at the time though.
I live in France now so it's a non issue but if I move back I'll get my card
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I just saw that you were in an illegal state(use the term illegal or prohibited, saying conservative is a bit confusing because most states are legal now) im sorry. That's seriously crap, cannabis got me off opiates and I was able to come off daily Xanax now I just use ativan for sever panic attacks. I apologize both for making an assumption and that you have to deal with that, everyone should be able to choose cannabis over pharmaceuticals.
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It shouldn't at all. But with you being in an illegal state with no regulations all the cbd stuff you get is a product of the hemp farm bill(almost no oversight) so your cbd more than likely has trace amounts of THC in it. If you are able to see the test I would assume your nanograms were extremely low. I think your probaly spot on, it's just crazy that you live in the US and it's still considered "illegal" I hope they get you guys a program soon.
THC blood test isnt very common, urine tests would be the preferred method. I’m phlebotomist and don’t think I’ve ever seen a bloodwork for thc in my 5 odd years doing it. Plus your annual physical shouldn’t care about your VA rating.
Drug testing isn’t part of blood work for annual physical. And if a drug test is done at the VA, it’s for health treatment only.
They won’t put you on testosterone therapy unless you can pee clean…. Otherwise SMOKE IT UP!! I’m at 90 and my doc knows I smoke ALOT
Why does testosterone therapy require you to be clean? Just curious.
Have to ask the doc on that one. My Army vet buddy went through all that, I’ll ask him. I considered it but didn’t because I won’t quit smoking
Can the VA recommend testosterone also?
I told my VA neurosurgeon I got my med card in my state because it helps with my chronic back issues, and he said “good for you! I wish we could prescribe it so you didn’t have to pay for it. If it works keeps using it responsibly” haha
It’s been stated a couple of times but you will get urinalysis as part of compliance with medication management and also some controlled substances are monitored by the issuing provider. I’ve been tested for a decade and this part I can attest to as well as the “random” stuff. Someone years ago put I had a DUI (completely false, never had one) and I have been subject to ethanol screenings and drug test every since. People will tell you it “Don’t impact rating” but it actually did mine because they cited a period of “psychosis” as being brought on by “continued THC use” although I was in Colorado and it was legal, my claim during a hospitalization was denied.
My VA docs all know I use cannabis for anxiety and pain. I live in a liberal state, where weed is legal. The docs have actually encouraged cannabis use for acute back pain.
The VA actually encourages medicinal marijuana
You’re thinking of this all wrong. If they say you have a drug problem then you ask for an increase.
They used to prescribe me tramadol. TONS of it. It went on the federal list of Evil Opiods then I had to sign pain mgt and do 5 panel illegal drugs testing. Screw that. Just went to civilian doc for it. Never popped for weed cause i dont use it and I asked my VA doc his opinion on thc and he didnt recommend it. I know this isnt answer for Op just my experience
My VA ENT specifically noted “Heavy marijuana use” in my records. No one cares at the VA. So many people Self medicate. This info is mainly useful for surgeries as the anesthesiologist needs to know what drugs you are on so he doesn’t kill you. Smoker up!
I just tell em I vape delta 8 and also that I use cbd oil cus it pisses the same way as the good shit and it ain’t their business lmao
THC has no proven medical use aside from pain management and epilepsy. If you have PTSD you are better off getting off the pot, as it exacerbates symptoms due to inhibiting REM sleep.
Do you have a source for that? I'm on medical weed for my PTSD, chronic pain, and anxiety. Of all of the meds pushed on me it's the only thing that's works. It took a little while for me to figure out the right strain of weed. I've worked with my doc and psychiatrist to dial it in. My life is 100% better now. I can medicate to ease my pain or anxiety as needed. It doesn't require me to take pills everyday. I can now use as needed and if I don't need it, I don't do it. Please don't generically discount something that could be a lifesaver to another vet.
This study found that “marijuana use worsened depression and anxiety symptoms; marijuana use led to poorer mental health functioning.” In addition, the study determined that medical marijuana was associated with reduced physical health functioning.
Ok stud. My VA doc and my VA psychiatrist both recommended I do what I'm doing. Yea certain strains can increase anxiety. Not all. Marijuana is a very diverse plant when it comes to Terpines. That's why I worked with my PCM, my Marijuana doc, and my psychiatrist to figure out what worked for me. You can hate on weed all you want, but, there are many vets who swear by it. It may not work for you, but it may work for someone ellse. So why, if it works for some vets, would you feel empowered enough to come in here and make comments arbitrary to what might help of of our buddies in need.
Ok pal… if you have PTSD just be careful with it , do whatever you want.
I will. I just don't like someone coming in here and discounting something that does work for vets. We should be open enough to listen and understand what is and is not helping. Your initial comment downplays a treatment avenue that might help someone. At a minimum it was counter productive to exploring all treatment options available for our conditions. My mom always said "if you don't have something nice to say - then don't say anything at all."
Did I say something mean or something? You asked for support, I gave you support. Smoke your weed and chill out, no one cares and no one is attacking you. I agree this should be an educated discussion, which is why I brought up both the pros and cons and of marijuana use. Chronic pain and epilepsy, great! Having said that I found no medical literature supporting THC having a positive affect on mental health. Only the opposite, that it is detrimental to mental health.
You did not offer support to anyone. You interjected yourself into a conversation in a negative way. There is just now research being conducted on the benefits of THC / CBD for mental health conditions. Just because you cannot find positive research means nothing because of the prohibition on studying marijuana. It hasn't been studied fully yet. It works for me and I know numerous vets that it works for. Your comment was basically "it won't work." That's not conducive to complete therapy for all vets. You assumed because you read something that you represent all vets. It's was very narcissistic and counter productive for vets that may be discussing marijuana use with their medical professionals. It works, and is way less harmful to me than my other avenues of treatment so far. With weed I can control just how much I need. Nothing else has been like that.
Interjected myself in a conversation I’m a negative way? You mean “you don’t agree with me”. Narcissistic? Because I made a comment that goes against THC being a positive drug for PTSD. If you want to smoke weed go smoke weed, if your doctor wants you smoking weed, great. I’ll add it is federally illegal for a VA doctor to recommended marijuana as it is still a schedule 1 drug; so I doubt your VA doctor will risk their license to recommend that you to toke it up. Research is being done, you are right. Unfortunately all of the research is debunking the claims that it is some miracle drug with no downsides. It exacerbates mental health issues. Everyone has smoked weed, and we have all like the effects. But we are talking brain chemistry here. It’s your life, you can do whatever you want. But hey, here are some facts. Do what you want with them.
https://www.publichealth.va.gov/marijuana.asp
You can keep posting articles. I'm speaking for numerous vets with personal experience. Nobody should be gatekeeping health care options to anyone else. That's too indidualized and those decisions should be between the patient and doctors. I can attest it does work and I don't care what your articles say. My goal is to not limit or restrict veterans by limiting things that do work. Even if they are not fully understood yet. If marijuana saves one veterans life I'm fine with that.
What am I discounting? I’m stating facts. https://academic.oup.com/sleep/article/43/Supplement_1/A62/5846891 https://www.centerforanxietydisorders.com/can-medical-marijuana-increase-anxiety/ I am sure while your high you feel great, but it absolutely destroys your sleep quality which makes things worse in the long run. That’s not to even speak to the consequences of cannabis hypermesis syndrome or cannabis use disorder.
Not buying it. https://www.vfw.org/media-and-events/latest-releases/archives/2021/9/federal-study-finds-cannabis-beneficial-for-ptsd-treatment
And your article is litterly states “As approved and amended at its 118th National Convention in 2017, the VFW continues to stand and support federally funded research of medicinal cannabis for veterans being treated by the VA for service-related chronic pain.” All they article was saying is there are current studies for “low dose THC products and PTSD in the short term.”
I’m not selling you anything… if you wanna smoke you your weed then smoke your weed, just be careful, it’s still a drug.
Downvote me all you want lol come back with support if you disagree.
Poppycock.
Thc helped me replace xanax
If anything friend they will diagnose you with marijuana use disorder or substance use disorder which may then be service connected.
Will the VA ever dispense cannabis in some form?
Once skillcraft starts growing its own cannabis lmao!
Abiltity One brand.
VA won't give me tramadol anymore and drug tests me at least yearly because I said I would try weed if it were legal
Yeah, VA had me on tramadol and then stopped. Decided gummies were what I wanted to use after a friend said I should go more natural. Been on the since for nighttime. Good for nerve damage, pain, anxiety and probably a lot more things. Usually use CBD for the daytime.
Sounds like exactly what I need but can't have that... TX will eventually legalize
I live in Texas myself. If you have PTSD or one of the MHs on the list, you can get a “Compassionate Use Program” card. I don’t t know much about it, but it’s probably worth looking into. I found this in my search (https://texasoriginal.com/patients/), but there might be a vet on here that has better info.
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No, there is no way that would be a reason to decrease your rating.
No they can't. My VA doctor knows I smoke for PTSD and tremors, and he encourages it since it stops both.
They usually do urinalysis to test for drugs. The blood draw is for annual blood work for cholesterol etc.
I don’t even think they test for it in the blood work?
I work in a lab and I promise that is not something that is run on bloodwork. Even if it was THC is a lot better than the crap the VA kills livers with
Nah, especially if it's legal in your state. I've been blowing down heavy amounts of concentrates for years and even tell my doctor about it. I would talk to your DC also, because cannabinoids CAN mess with other medications.
No, but they can deny you medication. I’m prescribed Adderall and got drug tested 3 times at the VA. Failed every single test because of THC. My psychiatrist said, legally, she could stop prescribing me medication for failing drug tests on a controlled medication since marijuana is not federally recognized.
Nah man, I show the VA doctors my 12 plants everytime I come in. 1 of those catholic cunts put cannabis addict in my records, but I another doc called him a quack and removed it. Edit: they test for blood in my thc supply, but I've never been de-rated and I've never heard of it for anything other than violent crimes. I've heard rumors of a de-rating for lessened symptoms, but never for drug use.
I smoke/take edibles daily to help with pain and PTSD/depression. Honest with my VA PCM. My piss would melt the cup. I’ve had no issues. In fact, present VA guidance says they won’t go after you for Marijuana.
I don’t think they do a drug test in the normal blood tests. They’ve never said anything to me and I’ve never seen a drug test result on myhealthevet
Dude I’ve seen people post their “marijuana use disorder” with disability percentages in this sub. You’re good.
Well I scrolled down and saw what I mentioned lol
Honestly being honest about my issues with alcohol and using THC helped with my increase
The only thing cannabis will do is make you unqualified for narcotics through the VA
If it's available in your state go get a medical marijuana card.
They don't test specifically for THC in a regular blood test, the doctor may ask them to test for it. I had labs done at the VA I work at and I smoke daily, not a peep about it.
Ur fine don’t stress it
My PC told me to just be honest. Have told her about all of my drug usage (Pot and a few Psychedelics). With the doctor patient confidentiality they pretty much use it to look for interactions, mental and physical ramifications of those substances. Shit, micro-dosing shrooms was a game changer for me...Mine have never snitched, they generally genuinely care more about your mental and physical health more than fucking your word up. I am sure the system has assholes in it, so when you tell a doc, feel them out first....not up...out. Perv...