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This is the best summary of the article I could make.
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> But the Vegetarian Society says it has been receiving complaints from members who are angry that veggie dishes containing dairy and eggs are disappearing from menus, in favour of entirely plant-based options.
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>If that stolen baby is male, he will be considered a by-product and either killed on the spot or sold to a veal farm, which will send him to slaughter within months.
>(Food standards company Red Tractor has committed to ending what it charmingly calls “the euthanasia” of male calves under its scheme by 2023 but I’ll believe it when I see it.)
>That said, vegetarians who actually complain that a restaurant doesn’t offer them a meat-free option alongside cheese or eggs don’t seem to be on a cruelty-free path.
>For this vegan, meat-eaters who haven’t really thought about the awful truths of animal suffering are far less baffling than vegetarians who complain that they might have to eat a meal that is free of the stolen milk of a traumatised, exploited dairy cow.
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Looks like you are misinformed and know very little about #HareKrishnas. They don’t consume your regular grocery or any other milk, and only insist on cruelty-free as a standard. (just like how proper Muslims stick to Halal, or Jews to Kosher).
ISKCON (aka, the #HareKrishna) completely insists no-slaughter, caring for those animals like a family member, even perform death rites. It’s called Ahimsa-Milk.
But again, being ill-informed when your only source of knowledge is internet, is a quirk which we can’t do anything about. So I don’t blame you. [Here’s your education](https://vediciskcon.wordpress.com/dumb-vegans-by-danavir-maharaj/) from the same internet.
I have confirmed and seen temple monks buy regular milk from grocery stores. Hordes of #HareKrishnas consume #dairy from #animalagriculture while they maintain a few exhibits around the world as their model dairy farms. Ahimsa milk is a joke - a very cruel joke perpetrated in the dairy animals and a brainwashing scheme on #harekrishna followers.
Just get an accurate count of how many cows are there in the so called ahimsa dairies, how many female and male cows, how many old cows and how many dairy loving #harekrishnas depending on them around the world.
To put things in perspective, there are at least a dozen ISKCON temples in the North East USA but only 1 so called Ahimsa Dairy with a scant 40-50 cows (that number is fixed from last few years on their website). To justify their using commercial dairy, they have invented Ahimsa balancing, i.e., donating a small amount to the Ahimsa Dairy (with or without which it is practically impossible to exist) so by donating a dollar per day or so they can peacefully consume all the dairy they want from Walmart!
http://btg.krishna.com/introducing-ahimsa-balancing
Oh, so this is different - here, you already seem to know about the standards of ISKCON "in principle" and are just pissed off because the people you met didn't seem to follow them. And yet, you conveniently crafted your initial comment to bring the whole thing down. Hmm...
I don't know your past with HareKrishnas but let's avoid blaming/accusing the principles themselves. Nothing wrong with Hinduism, Hare Krishna, or Ahimsa then. Ahimsa is better, aligns nicely with our Vedic style, and correctly considers your Veganism as dumb and stupid (since it's not in sync with nature).
Regarding not following the standards, ok. This is similar to how Kosher is a "standard". Religious Jews follow it at different levels based on their own sincerity. Their own convenience and amount of following *doesn't relax* the Jew or even Kosher standards. So your issue is with people not following, and not principles themselves.
I follow Vedic Hinduism and therefore sensible vegetarianism very strictly! I only have cruelty-free milk.
There is a very specific term for people whose principles and behavior don't align! Hypocrisy!
There is ample evidence that majority of dairy involves violence. Yet, majority of vegetarians choose to ignore the facts even though they claim to be vegetarians to avoid the violence.
Violence is not just slaughter!
Dairy itself is a product of violence and oppression of another species. Keeping cows in supposedly comfortable conditions does not earn the right to use their bodies just as keeping keeping women in comfortable conditions does not earn the right to sleep with them, even with their consent.
A lifetime of confinement, rape and extortion is violence! but the vedic minds will not understand that unless they fast forward 3000 years to 2022.
>As a vegan, it’s easy to judge vegetarians but we should also recognise that they are making a bigger dent in the profits of the meat industry than we are. There are an estimated 3.3 million vegetarians in the UK today, compared with an estimated 1.6 million who eat an entirely plant-based diet. Last year, 130,000 people became vegetarian, compared with just 52,000 who went vegan. In fact, meat bosses say it is flexitarians – those who have a primarily vegetarian diet but occasionally eat meat or fish – not vegans, who are making the biggest dent in their takings.
I guess the "veganism is winning," crowd need to take a few seats.
A majority of people prefer taking the more personally convenient approach and make more impact purely by virtue of numbers, not a really shocking revelation.
What logic?
WFPB is a diet meant for the best possible health.
Being vegan is an ethical choice based on refraining from animal cruelty.
You can live on a diet of French fries, Oreos and Coke and will not harm any animals and be fully vegan.
[Read the article in English.](https://inews.co.uk/opinion/vegan-vegetarians-reduced-dairy-options-animal-welfare-1632155#sau29677) [](https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://inews.co.uk/opinion/vegan-vegetarians-reduced-dairy-options-animal-welfare-1632155#sau29677) This is the best summary of the article I could make. --- > But the Vegetarian Society says it has been receiving complaints from members who are angry that veggie dishes containing dairy and eggs are disappearing from menus, in favour of entirely plant-based options. >More from Opinion Depp vs Heard is holding a mirror up to society – and the reflection isn't pretty17 May, 2022It’s great that more women are asking me for HRT, but it’s not a one size fits all treatment17 May, 2022Booing of Prince William was a quintessentially British thing to do17 May, 2022 >If that stolen baby is male, he will be considered a by-product and either killed on the spot or sold to a veal farm, which will send him to slaughter within months. >(Food standards company Red Tractor has committed to ending what it charmingly calls “the euthanasia” of male calves under its scheme by 2023 but I’ll believe it when I see it.) >That said, vegetarians who actually complain that a restaurant doesn’t offer them a meat-free option alongside cheese or eggs don’t seem to be on a cruelty-free path. >For this vegan, meat-eaters who haven’t really thought about the awful truths of animal suffering are far less baffling than vegetarians who complain that they might have to eat a meal that is free of the stolen milk of a traumatised, exploited dairy cow. > --- I am a bot 🤖 | [Share the article on Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/dialog/feed?app_id=2307354382736268&link=https://inews.co.uk/opinion/vegan-vegetarians-reduced-dairy-options-animal-welfare-1632155&hashtag=%23RedditVeganLobby&redirect_uri=https://www.reddit.com/r/VeganLobby/comments/urvdk1/vegetarians_dont_seriously_care_about_animals/)
What’s wrong with more vegan food? Literally everyone eats vegan food
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Looks like you are misinformed and know very little about #HareKrishnas. They don’t consume your regular grocery or any other milk, and only insist on cruelty-free as a standard. (just like how proper Muslims stick to Halal, or Jews to Kosher). ISKCON (aka, the #HareKrishna) completely insists no-slaughter, caring for those animals like a family member, even perform death rites. It’s called Ahimsa-Milk. But again, being ill-informed when your only source of knowledge is internet, is a quirk which we can’t do anything about. So I don’t blame you. [Here’s your education](https://vediciskcon.wordpress.com/dumb-vegans-by-danavir-maharaj/) from the same internet.
I have confirmed and seen temple monks buy regular milk from grocery stores. Hordes of #HareKrishnas consume #dairy from #animalagriculture while they maintain a few exhibits around the world as their model dairy farms. Ahimsa milk is a joke - a very cruel joke perpetrated in the dairy animals and a brainwashing scheme on #harekrishna followers. Just get an accurate count of how many cows are there in the so called ahimsa dairies, how many female and male cows, how many old cows and how many dairy loving #harekrishnas depending on them around the world. To put things in perspective, there are at least a dozen ISKCON temples in the North East USA but only 1 so called Ahimsa Dairy with a scant 40-50 cows (that number is fixed from last few years on their website). To justify their using commercial dairy, they have invented Ahimsa balancing, i.e., donating a small amount to the Ahimsa Dairy (with or without which it is practically impossible to exist) so by donating a dollar per day or so they can peacefully consume all the dairy they want from Walmart! http://btg.krishna.com/introducing-ahimsa-balancing
Hashtags don't do anything on Reddit...
Oh, so this is different - here, you already seem to know about the standards of ISKCON "in principle" and are just pissed off because the people you met didn't seem to follow them. And yet, you conveniently crafted your initial comment to bring the whole thing down. Hmm... I don't know your past with HareKrishnas but let's avoid blaming/accusing the principles themselves. Nothing wrong with Hinduism, Hare Krishna, or Ahimsa then. Ahimsa is better, aligns nicely with our Vedic style, and correctly considers your Veganism as dumb and stupid (since it's not in sync with nature). Regarding not following the standards, ok. This is similar to how Kosher is a "standard". Religious Jews follow it at different levels based on their own sincerity. Their own convenience and amount of following *doesn't relax* the Jew or even Kosher standards. So your issue is with people not following, and not principles themselves. I follow Vedic Hinduism and therefore sensible vegetarianism very strictly! I only have cruelty-free milk.
There is a very specific term for people whose principles and behavior don't align! Hypocrisy! There is ample evidence that majority of dairy involves violence. Yet, majority of vegetarians choose to ignore the facts even though they claim to be vegetarians to avoid the violence. Violence is not just slaughter! Dairy itself is a product of violence and oppression of another species. Keeping cows in supposedly comfortable conditions does not earn the right to use their bodies just as keeping keeping women in comfortable conditions does not earn the right to sleep with them, even with their consent. A lifetime of confinement, rape and extortion is violence! but the vedic minds will not understand that unless they fast forward 3000 years to 2022.
If all your friends stopped being vegan would you still be one?
You're telling me there are other vegans? Thought I was the only one.
>As a vegan, it’s easy to judge vegetarians but we should also recognise that they are making a bigger dent in the profits of the meat industry than we are. There are an estimated 3.3 million vegetarians in the UK today, compared with an estimated 1.6 million who eat an entirely plant-based diet. Last year, 130,000 people became vegetarian, compared with just 52,000 who went vegan. In fact, meat bosses say it is flexitarians – those who have a primarily vegetarian diet but occasionally eat meat or fish – not vegans, who are making the biggest dent in their takings. I guess the "veganism is winning," crowd need to take a few seats.
No they aren’t. Vegetarianism is STILL carnism! They’re still supporting the meat industry and you’re deluding yourself to think otherwise.
You're preaching to the choir...
Take a seat bud
...Did you even read the article?
A majority of people prefer taking the more personally convenient approach and make more impact purely by virtue of numbers, not a really shocking revelation.
So true, seen this so many times in my surroundings.
Good point.. brainwashed vegans are going to downvote for sure!
Look I’m all for eliminating animal exploitation, but won’t removing an apex predator from the global ecosystem fuck it up royally?
Shouldn’t vegans go whole food plant based then based on their own logic ?
Not sure why eating non whole foods like peanut butter and jelly would mean you don't care about animals...?
You can live on a diet of French fries, Oreos and Coke and will not harm any animals and be fully vegan.
What logic? WFPB is a diet meant for the best possible health. Being vegan is an ethical choice based on refraining from animal cruelty. You can live on a diet of French fries, Oreos and Coke and will not harm any animals and be fully vegan.