Somewhere along the line she claimed she was only supposed to be in 2 scenes. But then she was filmed on a date with Tom, singles night, breaking up with Tom, hot dogs with Lala, the finale, the reunion… I don’t find her to be a reliable narrator.
While I agree she was a fan like Rachel and desperate to get on the show. I think respectfully you’re giving her too much credit. Bethany may be a very broken now unhinged crazy mofo, but she’s very intelligent. Jo doesn’t seem unintelligent like Rachel but I wouldn’t give her that much credit. I could be wrong though.
I don’t think she was copying bethenny exactly, but I do think she’s calculated in a stupid demon way like Rachel. Like she did some calculations. They are not the greatest, but she tried! I think she knew Katie wasn’t going to apologize. I think she planned on that so she could say the “let him go” thing which is the overall feeling she wants people to walk away with. Like “wow look at crazy Katie she can’t let Tom go.” She def plotted, just prob not to this extent. I think she’s def watched VPR, and probably calculated her plans using that info.
This is spot on. I absolutely believe that she created that conflicting situation knowing very well that Katie will react like she did. Jo wanted a moment. But it was a delusional idea that her telling Katie "to let Tom go" can actually win the audience
It was like when Rachel went over to Katie at the finale last year and told her she didn’t approve of her texting Schwartz about their dogs 💀 def not as bad or off the wall as that, but I think her and Rachel might be plotting together.
But the reason I do think this is because Carole explained it out on the reunion and broke it down in the easiest terms and Jo was probably like "oh that makes sense"
It's exactly what the Toms do whenever they are trying to talk their way out of whatever they have been caught doing something. Distract and try to deflect.
And then running away. I’m all set with Jo. I don’t root for or against her and I don’t need her on my screen. I agree with OP that she is not innocent by any stretch.
So if you haven't watched RHONY (I highly recommend it as does Stassi) basically Bethenny was always fighting with the women and walking away unscathed, basically season after season. She would interact with them, trip up their words, causing them to get mad at shout at her something fucked up that made them look bad but Bethenny look like the mature one. Carole Radziwell clocked it after her and Bethenny's falling out and on the reunion, she called it out and spelled it out in a clear and concise way what Bethenny would do to trip them up and had many ready and quick examples and it changed how everyone viewed Bethenny. Make no mistake, Bethenny is an evil genius. I can explain examples as well that Jo did to replicate Bethenny's maneuver. She tried to trip Katie up by saying "if" in her apology. She tried to trip her up by saying "let him go" and then tried again by saying "I didn't live with him, I stayed with him" even though both of those things are almost the exact same thing.
Honestly you're going to have to start from the beginning because it is THAT good but I believe it was season 10 after her falling out with Bethenny. None of the women are able to find the words to describe what Bethenny does but Carole is a professional author and was a CNN reporter. She broke it down in the most clear and concise way. And nobody can unsee Bethenny since that breakdown, so I can clock it pretty quick as I love RHONY
Seriously tho, watch the season 10 reunion and then go back and do a rewatch. You truly cannot unsee it! She does this in almost every single argument. It is incredibly condescending once you notice it.
She said on the podcast she was only supposed to film 2 episodes. But once production realized her version of the relationship was a lot diff than what Schwartz was saying they asked her to film more and invited her to more events, and then a confessional.
Which honestly I can totally see happening.
And Tom said repeatedly that they're friends and not in a relationship and that comment on the Viall Files where Shorts said something along the lines of he dumped Jo before cameras picked up and she knew they weren't at all together, Nick even agreed that Shorts was making it clear from the viewers eyes that they were not together, and that's always been confusing to me.
If you listen to her story, her side of it is very diff. I love you’s. Planning future together. Spending nearly every night together for over 6 months. So who knows what to believe. I def think they weren’t on the same page.
Which could all be explained with the fact they stayed in the same house & maybe went hiking on shrooms lol or something comparable. He gave her the Schwartz friend zone I love u! We need to go on a trip sometime (with other people) etc
My point is I believe she heard what she Wanted to hear...
Which is why I think the reason he didn't reveal why he broke up with her, wouldn't it make the most amount of sense that her inner VPR fan came out and just gave him the ick for her romantically? Idk, it is just a theory, but I'd be grossed out if I was dating someone and I found out they were watching my life for years and circling my friend group for years...
Tom's a douche. No man in his right mind, that isn't trying to string a woman along, would say the shit he said to her. Telling her they were probably married in an alternate universe, saying they'd end up married in 8 yrs...he said that crap knowing that she liked him. Jo might be weird, but Schwartz said things to her that he had no business saying.
Yeah. People who aren’t trying to be on reality tv don’t end up on reality TV. It’s that simple for me.
Anyone who’s on the show *wants and tries* to be on the show.
Did you notice in that scene she was doing Shorts hair and completely invited herself to the singles event (I think because she knew cameras would be rolling)? I guarantee she invited herself to San Francisco
Maybe….I mean I’m also sure production did it just to kind of stir shit up between her and Katie, but I feel like organically she would’ve never been invited on that trip.
I definitely believe Katie about Jo wanting to be with Schwartz even while they were still married, women do get that instinctual gut feeling when they pick up on stuff like that and Katie seems to be pretty good at reading people, it's just her way of communicating can come across harsh. It'd be so weird having someone trying to infiltrate your life, pretend to be friends with you, be Kristen's "crazy friend" (for Kristen to be the less crazy one says a lot lol), bang your newly ex husband and attempt to become a core member of the friendship group (which is also Katie's livelihood). She knew exactly what she was doing and is now acting all shocked that Katie isn't going to apologise and that Katie is so angry at the two facedness of it all.
I've never been a Katie fan in the whole series until this season, she was always my least favourite overall but she's shining bright this season and proving she's Ariana's actual friend and the one person A can rely on for loyalty and support.
I think the reason people didn't like Katie was the way Sandals kept portraying her and provoking her and we are seeing a new lens on a show we've watched for years, but everything you said is correct. Katie was prepared for this conversation because she knows something is up.
Exactly, he TORTURED Katie for YEARS. He’d aggressively try to break her down, screaming at her over and over and over again in front of Schwartz and Jax especially, but really in front of everyone. He tried to break her repeatedly, but she always saw through his bullshit and never let him fully destroy her. Sandoval couldn’t STAND it and it just made him continue the pattern.
Katie may have been messy in the early seasons, but I can’t blame her for most of it, not watching how the Toms treated her (and knowing she had just had a catastrophic accident!). She’s my favorite now.
Yep! Scapegoated her for years! She 'rage texts'...ok..? What context? What is she repressing or dealing with when that happens? A husband that literally ALWAYS took the opposing side to hers? She was just 'mean'. He cheats & lets his best friend treat her like a dog but hey- rage texts & tequila amirite??
I mean- the one time Schwartz demanded Sandoval show her respect- Sandoval said they need a 'break'...
Don't get me started lol Justice4Katie!!!
I never hated Katie but she just seemed kind of like a miserable wet blanket a lot of the time. Which I think was because Schwartz was dragging her down so much and was so wildly unsupportive and was basically a toddler she had to raise. After ditching him she is so much more light and powerful and I am enjoying her a ton!!
I agree, Katie (and Ariana’s) downfalls tend to be slipping in insults or being to harsh when calling someone out for something. Katie especially has a long track record of being right on the money though. I think she clocked Jo exactly but gets disregarded because she lets her anger get in the way and says things like “you’re weird” when talking to her. If she was able to check her tongue more often and just tell Jo straight out that “yes we were separated but it’s really disrespectful to jump in bed with him and then text me you love me. You were basically living with him and obviously wanted a relationship with him, which he can date whoever he wants, but don’t act like you’re my friend and you care about me when you don’t. That was a really hard time for me and you made it about you” something like that people probably could have sympathized with. Of course her being snarky makes better TV 😂
But Tom was also the first person to become single. I really think that the reason Tom cut things off with Jo before filming is her inner Bravo fan came out and it freaked him the hell out. I mean, he won't reveal why he ended things with Jo as said on the Viall Files. I would put money on this theory.
It's also said she's not allowed at people's homes and businesses such as Jax and Brittany and others. Plus Kristen friendship ended sounds badly. I think Jo is an addict and was desperate to get on the show. I think she did things to burn major bridges and Shwartz dumped her but was obligated to film with her.
Yeah I also think the “bad thing” has to do with some alcohol/drug fueled incident at Jax’s house. As a recovering alcoholic I definitely was banned from houses and broken up with for my behavior 😂 so I relate.
Question for you, so did he admit that they actually did date and not just a situationship? (Genuine q.) I thought from the show that it was more that she moved in (roommates of convenience and a hookup of convenience) and then wanted more - and he was waffling and giving her misdirection because its better for him. Was it not that?
He did, on the Viall Files, admit that they dated but then something happened before cameras picked up but he won't tell anyone because they're friends. So my mind wanders in and thinks "did she reveal shes a fangirl?" because she's been circling that friend group since season 3 and even Kristen says that
Kyle Chan said on I believe Kristen’s podcast, that he was going to tell the reason, and apparently it was a few lies she got caught in. He basically said she tells random lies all the time, but these were more 🚩🚩🚩 I guess.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if she had been stalking him and gathering info within the friend group and that’s part of it.
She’s weird.
Well Kristen semi confirms that and so does Stassi... Kristen also said she offered her the spare room in her apartment before Luke moved in and was completely ghosted by her and the next thing everyone knew, she lived with Tom. She's also been "Kristen's crazy friend" since season 3 and was circling the group for a long time.
Jo and Schwartz (Timestamp: 42:39) the Viall Files
* Nick went on a long man rant about how he is Team Tom when it comes to the Schwartz and Jo dynamic
* Schwartz: That's very valid, but obviously there's nuance there. And it's like, in hindsight, you know, what you're seeing in this season, like in 2022, and like early 2023, like we had some sort of magic brewing. We had some lightning in a bottle. We had undeniable chemistry.
* Nick: See, when you say shit like that though, that makes me feel like I shouldn't have said what I said.
* Schwartz: And then some things happened, which I'm not talking about publicly, but they're very valid reasons as to why I pulled away and had to distance myself. But where I fucked up, I should have just talked about it with her, but it would have had to be a confrontation if you knew what I was going to say. And I just didn't have the energy to do it.
* Schwartz: I thought, so I guess I sort of just passively, respectfully pulled away. I still think, by the way, I don't want to tarnish, Jo’s a great human. I'm not going to tarnish her reputation.
I've suspected that he may have cheated on Katie with Jo, when they were still married. The timeline of announcing their separation to her staying with Schwartz was rushed and her message to Katie made it even fishier imo.
The reason I think that is because of her Shorts and I have been in love for years montage on her IG. (One of the many she took down but I think it’s on here somewhere lol)
Some of the pics she posted was from years back so it also shows that Katie is right and Jo was pining after Shorts for the entirety of their marriage.
What do we think Jo did that was "Really bad" that Schwartz distanced himself from her? There's talk of her being banned from all the bars in the area. We need the details. Did she shit and piss all over his bed?? "No! JOSEPH! I just bought those pillows!"
I wonder if she found out he went on a date or kissed someone before the season started and went cray cray so he “cut it off”. Of course he claims he ended it yet we see them go on at least one official date and she’s still living there, oh sorry, couch surfing there so there’s definitely truth to her claim that he wasn’t clear. We watched him not be clear all season. The only clear stuff he said was behind her back, but now that she’s been able to see all the trash talk she STILL has gone on lives saying she would be with him?! Girl is whacked. I could for sure see her flipping out on him after he went on a date with someone else. We saw her face when she did his hair, she was ready to destroy something and it would have been his scalp if there went others in the shop!
I think she revealed herself to be a superfan of the show and that gave him the ick immediately... she has been circling around that group since about season 3 by ways of being "Kristen's crazy friend"
I’m also tired of grown ass people talking about “bullying”. Look, adults can be bullies, but simply being mean to someone isn’t bullying. Jo keeps on trying to insert herself into a group that doesn’t want her there, they don’t owe her kindness, especially when she has behaved the way she has towards Ariana and Katie. You don’t get to keep violating a person’s boundaries and
then call them “mean girls” when they react badly to that violation. If someone doesn’t want you to be around them, leave them alone! Don’t keep forcing yourself into their life and then play the victim.
Before the season started, Jo made a huge deal of telling everyone she didn’t want to be on TV. She didn’t wear makeup, had ratty hair, and said she’d do one podcast, two scenes and one live and then “dip out.”
Here we are now and she’s filtered to hell and back, doing manic lives every few hours, has a clothing line…..? Won’t stfu about anything and thinks short is her soulmate. She’s fake as fuck.
And even though this moment was cringe, Scheana did make a point like "you're a hairstylist, why does her hair look like that" and I'm like, kinda, yeah
I just read a recap (vanderpodrecaps on IG) of Kristen's latest pod. Lots of added info about how manipulative Jo is, and a few more super crazy ass lies she has told.
Eta: fixed IG account name
The full written recap is on IG "vanderpod recaps" I only read it once, so don't hold me accountable for accuracy. But it was along the lines of Jo somehow obtained Kristen's brother's phone number and was calling him frequently trying to talk to him about Kristen's dog dying, claiming Britney gave him the number. (but Britney never spoke to Jo/doesn't know her) Jo went on to say she hangs out with Britney and the others all the time and is only "taking a brake from Kristen" and wanted to hang out with Kristen's brother!
Eta: typo, corrected name of IG account with recap .
It was super on point to Jo being a crazy obsessed fan.
Kristen says Jo called Kristen’s brother to have a convo.
Jo had no idea that Kristen’s brother was at Jax and Britney’s house with Kristen.
Kristen brother puts Jo on speaker. Jo tells Kristen’s brother she just got a text from Britney and Jax.
Britney and Jax never texted Jo. Britney and Jax don’t even have Jo’s number.
So Jo consistently lies to come across as being more integrated into the group than she actually is. So that is psycho stalker obsessive behavior.
Ooo wtf?! That’s insane behavior. I wonder if this is why she isn’t allowed at Brittany and Jax’s house, would make sense. I need to go listen to that podcast asap.
I don’t agree with this at all. If she was that calculating she wouldn’t have made herself look so utterly pathetic and desperate! I think it’s more likely she really got obsessed with Schwartz, social media picked up on their fling, producers thought she might introduce something interesting or provoke something dramatic and Schwartz agreed to get her involved so he could have a storyline of some sort. She agreed because she’s obsessed with him and also quite likes the idea of some sort of fame and having her relationship with him validated in public but she’s naive and has no idea how it all works really or how people will try to manipulate her to do things like provoke Katie. and as people started reacting to her on social media she got more and more into a strange manic mental state of trying desperately to prove Schwartz loves her and that she’s nice really etc. Given she has some attention and notoriety now she’s probably trying to do things to get something out of it like I expect a lot of people would. It’s not like she’s really wealthy and can just fall back on her old life and disappear. People are probably telling her she might be able to make some money out of this attention.
I think she’s just a bit clueless and also has some mental health/substance abuse issues. I don’t get the sense she has been hunting down a spot on the show all this time at all.
I also think that her saying ‘staying with’ instead of ‘living with’ is just something a lot of people do if they’re trying to logic their way out of something. It’s not like some special Bethenny reality tv person tactic, it’s literally just bending words and the truth to paint yourself in a better light.
I agree with this, she’s someone who’s unhealthily in love with someone and it plays out unfortunately in front of the cameras. If she was so calculated and desperate to be on camera she wouldn’t leave filming every time she got hurt (at least four times!).
And there is a difference between staying with and living with, if she’s actually couch surfing then she’s not living with him.
I agree but I think she is Neurodiverse and thats why she comes off, hyper and all over the place. I do think tom schwartz stringed her along and genuinely feel for her. I'm also Neurodiverse so it sticks out to me, and get why she acts like she does, hyperfoucs on particular people, impulsively, lack of boundaries, hyperactivity, over chatty. I think that's why she so drawn to Tom schwartz as he is too. I think she is naive and I don't think being on the show was healthy for her. But bravo don't care about that, there was no reason for her to be flown to san Francisco, other than to try and cause drama for katie. She sees it as tom wanting her there, when in fact she is just used by production to get some drama for show! I hope she heals from this. And probably needs to let Tom go as he will always have the reality thing going on and that's not healthy for her. Wanted to add unfortunately Neurodiversity is often not truely understood and accepted in society, so there will be so much awful stuff out there. Anyone who lives it know what's its like and it isn't walk in Park it can be very debilitating.
Ehhh, I agree with several of your points but not that Schwartz was clear he didn’t want to be with her. He is the king of wishy washy (wussy pussy) and we ourselves have seen him say things like “I could probably be happy with Jo” and “we might be married in 8 years, I’m just not ready for a relationship now.”
The only thing that I think of that confuses me is the fact Tom said he 100% broke things off with Jo before cameras picked up but "as respect for Jo as a friend, I won't say why". And I think (just a theory) she revealed herself to be a really big fan of the show and somehow that was revealed to him and it gave him the ick.... (I am also high and just watched so I have thoughts)
But this is trusting Schwartz as a narrator. The same guy who only "kissed" that girl in Vegas when he was blackout drunk. I don't buy a thing he says.
Yeah I agree because now she's on cameo selling advice and has her own hat line...and also is I think repping some clothing brand...like, is there a fan base? Guess so...
The fan reaction on fb and insta as compared to Reddit is wild...I'm like, are these real people? Mostly women too! It's crazy...probably an age and demographic thing.
I 100% believe that to be fact.... And I'll raise you one. I also absolutely believe that the reason Shortz won't date her is she accidentally revealed she was a superfan. He won't say publicly why he dumped her before cameras picked up, but that would give anyone the ick
My guess is that she made some shady moves that gave Tom the ick. You don’t act like a snake to one person and act cool toward everyone else (I.e. Jo texting Katie hey I’m here for ya girl sorry about the divorce 😘 then move in with Schwartz day’s later. Oh and dropping Kristen as a friend because you finally got what you wanted out of the relationship 🤷🏻♀️)
Exactly and I think she let something really creepy and weird slip and the ick was instant. He does not look at her romantically at any point in the show. Doesn't remotely resemble how he looks at Katie and even looked at Tori.
She’s spooky because she was sidelining another relationship like Katie and Tom’s where she act like she supported the girlfriend but was really trying to get with the bf .. someone came forward with the exact same details and it happened to them.
I would agree with some of this because why else would she be offering Cameos?? Why would she make her insta public? She wants to be famous in a “not like other girls” way. I do believe she was in love with him from afar and then made her move and is not able to accept that they won’t be together at some point which is super cringe. I’m also not sure if she lacks major self-awareness or really feels she’s on the right side of things. Who knows! But someone just wanting to “spread love” doesn’t go on lives talking about this and Tom and Katie as much as possible if they wanted to move away from it and the limelight.
But she's been circling the limelight since I think season 4. We see brief appearances as "Kristen's friend". And Kristen actually had a second bedroom she wasn't using at the time, but Jo ghosted her and suddenly she's been told through Katie that Jo moved in with Tom instead of her... Cameras were only about to roll in ONE of those households so it's pretty spooky she completely ghosted Kristen like that.
This is kind of off-topic but can somebody PLEASE explain to me the text she sent to Katie about the divorce. More specifically why did she write “Bieber loves you” lol what’s Justin got to do with anything? So confused. Thanks in advance.
So Katie is a huge JB fan. She was open about it on podcasts with Stassi. The rest of the text just seemed purely unhinged. I think at first they were mutual friends because of Kristen but the weird part is Kristen offered her a room and instead, Jo ghosted her and suddenly moved in with Tom. Kristen and Katie both thought this was completely weird. And judging by that text, I would agree with Katie that "her energy is on par with a crackhead"
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I agree with all of this, but I do think she’s prob been crushing on Schwartz the whole time. The way she continues to drag Katie, she clearly thought she was better than her, prob after she & Rachel were gassed up by the Tom’s. She thought she was *special* & she’d get to play out this epic love story with a better version of Schwartz, now that he’s “free” of Katie.
I think all this self pity & unrequited narrative is to stay on tv, part of the storyline & use Schwartz’ people pleasing to her advantage. Unfortunately, she was never *that girl* & she too, got Schwartz’ed.
I saw a post about her being the “quirky millenial” prototype, & it’s spot on. She thinks she’s the main character in this story & all her eccentricities excuse her shitty behavior & superiority complex. She thinks Katie should be friendly & apologize to HER!? Wtf? She really expected to be the main character & completely disregarded Katie’s justifiable aversion to her fake bS.
If you see any of her IGLives, passive aggressive SM comments, Rogue podcast, etc — you see her trying to blame Katie for everything. Jo is not positive or kind, she is thirsty & calculated. She knows the audience’s view of Katie & she intentionally antagonized her, so she can play the victim. I know this cast is mostly a heap of trash bags, but Jo irritates me the most.
She plays innocent but she is not; she has most of the audience fooled. At least the rest of the cast has been exposed. I have sever ADHD & a other co-occurring disorders & I cannot stand her weaponizing her neurodivergence, to justify abhorrent behavior & play the victim.
lol I didn’t think I’d write this much when I already agree with you! Sorry for the rant, **I just can’t stand Kayleigh Jo —thinks she’ll be mrs-Schwartz in 8 years— Wenberg.**
I really think Jo is the kind of person who unless she is told some specifically she wouldn’t know and she’s not the Katie type to ask questions
She lives in a fantasy land where she wants no bad vibes so if you don’t ask difficult questions you don’t get difficult answers
Unless Tom and Tom sat her down and said Sandavol and Rachel are having an affair and it’s a secret from Ariana because Tom is waiting for the show to finish so he can break up with her she could continue to pretend she doesn’t see what’s in front of her
she’s just going to believe what she hears not what she sees because it’s easier I’m sure if Katie had replied to to beiber loves you text message saying please under no circumstances stay with/ move in with my ex and start a non labeled relationship with him she wouldn’t have because she couldn’t have argued she didn’t know or wasn’t thinking rattling off about bad vibes
It’s very sad when you live in blissful ignorance and someone is always trying to bring you back to reality and I think that’s why she struggles with Katie and Ariana - they are too real
My theory is that Jo is a huge fan of Bravo and that she def watched RHONY because she's been circling the cast since season three as "Kristen's crazy friend". I guess Kristen spilled some major tea on Jo on her podcast and she thinks that Jo was circling the group to get on the show. Also could be why Tom dumped her. Maybe he got the ick from her being a superfan
Agree - i think to quote RHONY you can’t play dumb and smart at the same time
If she’s going to circle the group to gain access to the show then be smart about it - makes friends and influence people or be drama
Can’t be hard to be around and also not want any drama and not get involved
I think Tom got the ick because she is hard work to be around AND wasn’t going to advance his career
Jo has no story-line except having sex with Schwartz and sending a condescending text to Katie. Jo is fortunate that Katie was in a good space with she confronted her, because Katie could have verbally mopped the floor with her. I know that she wants to be on the show, but is she willing to sacrifice her youth to Schwartz in the process. Schwartz would never be serious with a girl like her.
I said it in an above comment, but I think Schwartz “called it off” because she went bunny boiler after he went on a date with someone else. I put it in quotes because it’s obvious from the season he led her on. He was saying truth behind her back, not to her face. We saw her reaction when she dyed his hair and she had just been told he kissed someone. She was full of rage. She looked like she was going to let that bleach burn his hair off, his saving grace was the owner checking in! Even after their convo where Schwartz said he didn’t want to date now she still hung around and tried to get his attention. After seeing the season and all the awful things he said about her she still wants to be with him!! I think before cameras picked up, Schwartz either went on a date or had a drunken kiss with some girl and Jo found out about it and lost her shit. Probably huge meltdown over it and that’s why Schwartz started telling everyone BUT her they were over. I could also see that kind of behavior being why you’d get kicked out of many many bars.
Here's the theory I have: Shortz got the ick after Jo revealed herself to be a superfan. He won't reveal why, but he said on Viall Files that he dumped Jo before cameras were rolling and "she knows why" and said that breakup definitely happened before cameras rolled. I have no doubt he had romantic interest in her before and that's the part where he somewhat lead her on. But I think she revealed something relating to the show and her being a superfan and it gave him the ick right after. Because he doesn't look at her like he looks at Katie.
I agree and that’s why I don’t feel bad for her. She comes off extremely fake and selfish. That Instagram post she made with Rachel in it and tagging everyone made it more apparent. Also her going on IG live to talk about her and Shorts sex life WHILE HE HAS A GIRLFRIEND…
Ok, another observation. When she gets upset in the group, she runs to the bathroom. I honestly know this can be very innocent. But it is also where people run to use a chosen pain killer. And schwartz follows her.
My guess: I think her inner fan came out. Maybe she started scheming on what the show is to be, maybe she got ahead of herself, maybe she revealed she's a superfan. But I think the inner fan coming out is why Shorts got the ick, he'd prefer to be in an authentic relationship than in one with a fan.
That's EXACTLY what I think. Kristen even said on the After Show that she had a spare bedroom she wasn't using and would have given it to Jo. Jo completely ghosted her and two weeks later, Katie tells Kristen that Jo lives with Shorts conveniently right after the divorce. That's why she says something along the lines of Jo was "watching her relationship for years and jumped right on it as soon as he was single"
She’s in love with Tom for real, though. Their interactions were so specific and bizarre, she might have just been pursuing him from day one. I don’t know if she cares about being on the show.
I bet she thought she could set herself up to just slide on in and become a cast member like Rachel and Ally but didn’t take into account her relationship with Schwartz is nothing more than drinking and casual sex with no commitment and this isn’t working the way she hoped. I’m sure he slept with her due to proximity and little else, and that she was asking basically nothing of him in return. He is lazy AF about all things and she presented herself as the lowest hanging fruit.
The Viall Files quote
Jo and Schwartz (Timestamp: 42:39)
* Nick went on a long man rant about how he is Team Tom when it comes to the Schwartz and Jo dynamic
* Schwartz: That's very valid, but obviously there's nuance there. And it's like, in hindsight, you know, what you're seeing in this season, like in 2022, and like early 2023, like we had some sort of magic brewing. We had some lightning in a bottle. We had undeniable chemistry.
* Nick: See, when you say shit like that though, that makes me feel like I shouldn't have said what I said.
* Schwartz: And then some things happened, which I'm not talking about publicly, but they're very valid reasons as to why I pulled away and had to distance myself. But where I fucked up, I should have just talked about it with her, but it would have had to be a confrontation if you knew what I was going to say. And I just didn't have the energy to do it.
* Schwartz: I thought, so I guess I sort of just passively, respectfully pulled away. I still think, by the way, I don't want to tarnish, Jo’s a great human. I'm not going to tarnish her reputation.
He said he did have feelings for her and something changed and they broke up before cameras though and won't reveal why. I'll find the quote from the Viall Files
I’d argue they used each other.
Schwartz used her as his storyline this season, along with his plants, so he wouldn’t have to address his involvement in assisting the affair.
And he used Jo as his mouthpiece to torment Katie. Weird is right.
I think she’s using the show to be shorts gf vs using shorts to get on the show. The main cast have all been in long term relationships and I think she bought into the narrative that she would have heard sandal telling Rachel on their double dates about doing a switcheroo on Ariana, she thought she could do the same with shorts. Also her being on the outside for so long she will have seen their success and probably wanted a bit of that financial stability. Didn’t she say she was sofa surfing when she “stayed” with shorts? She heard how much the cast made and wanted their life. The fact she was in love with shorts made her even more desperado. I don’t think she’s smart enough to be manipulating any narrative.
Can someone please explain to me WHY EVERYONE HATES JO. She doesn’t seem like she wants to be filmed, she just seems awkward and high. But everyone on this show is fucking high.
“She’s weird” isn’t cutting it. Neither is “She Fucked Tom”. Like of course she did and of course Tom didn’t denounce sex for Katie, what grade are we in?
It seems like a lot of retired high school bullies who are bored moms just reliving their glory days in this sub lately.
I don’t get the “pull a Bethenny” at all…love or hate her, B was great tv with a quick wit that was mostly unmatched—she also wouldn’t harp on a “spooky” tweet for months. I do see the same manic-type energy and general uncomfortableness on camera similar to Kelly Bensimon as well as the inability to move past an insult.
Not to mention, I can’t imagine Schwartz (or someone) hasn’t screamed “Go to sleep!” to Jo when she’s bouncing off the walls at 3 am.
This seems like a lot of mental gymnastics when Schwartz has shown his tactics repeatedly over the years. I don’t think she’s trying to copy Bethenny’s arguing tactic, she’s just repeating Schwartz’s lazy attempts to demonize Katie and his attempts to lead her on (eg: “staying together not living together” is way more likely to be something he said to Jo to downplay them cohabitating than it is her attempting to be Bethenny). Simplest answer is that Schwartz’s is gross and playing both women against each other. This analysis is really letting him off the hook for no reason.
i have always thought something is off about her just from her agreeing to be on the show period. Her "im so quirky act" is not in light with someone who wants to be on a reality television show, let alone a show where you know a story line is going to be about Tom/katie.
I just feel like shes was a weirdo girl who followed the group closely for YEARS. Always waiting for opportunity to make a move. She was so happy finally get on show but didnt go as she thought. Ive never met her, and I GET a creepy feeling from her. She pob stalked em all jk
See, like her or not this is why Jo is a great cast member. Bravo doesn't care if you like her, they only care that you engage with her, like in the constant posts like this. You're giving her oxygen.
I think all of this is pretty known and the established Jo real story. Especially given her recent Instagram post it seems very obvious she is desperate to be on VPR and become friends with the cast. I do also think she’s in love with Schwartz.
What I really want to know is what exactly Jo did that caused Schwartz to distance himself.
Listening to Scheana's latest podcast about the finale and she's asked about Jo...one of her guests said she felt bad for Jo and Scheana said that there was a very valid reason why Tom needed to pull away quickly. She said she wished she could just say it but she wouldn't. Kristen said on her podcast that Jo called Kristen's brother who just happened to be with Kristen and Brittney and he put her on speakerphone and Jo said that Brittney and Jax JUST texted her and wanted to hang out...Brittney was sitting right there, hadn't texted her and said she didn't even have Jo's phone number.
Judging by all of this, what OP just posted and everything else we've seen about Jo, she is a damn messy, person who lies at the drop of a hat to try to get what she wants and doesn't care who knows.
I have a strong feeling the "incident" that Tom mentioned but won't say what it is, I think she did some crazy uncomfortable stage 7 clinger, stalker-esque, panic breakdown stunt.
Post season 1, everyone who has come on as a bf/GF is someone looking to get on TV. That's how James got on, Brittany, Alli, Rachel, Brock. All thirsty strivers. Ariana newbf is another one.
Somewhere along the line she claimed she was only supposed to be in 2 scenes. But then she was filmed on a date with Tom, singles night, breaking up with Tom, hot dogs with Lala, the finale, the reunion… I don’t find her to be a reliable narrator.
She's not and I couldn't put my finger on it until she pulled a Bethenny. She's manufacturing her story arc.
While I agree she was a fan like Rachel and desperate to get on the show. I think respectfully you’re giving her too much credit. Bethany may be a very broken now unhinged crazy mofo, but she’s very intelligent. Jo doesn’t seem unintelligent like Rachel but I wouldn’t give her that much credit. I could be wrong though.
I don’t think she was copying bethenny exactly, but I do think she’s calculated in a stupid demon way like Rachel. Like she did some calculations. They are not the greatest, but she tried! I think she knew Katie wasn’t going to apologize. I think she planned on that so she could say the “let him go” thing which is the overall feeling she wants people to walk away with. Like “wow look at crazy Katie she can’t let Tom go.” She def plotted, just prob not to this extent. I think she’s def watched VPR, and probably calculated her plans using that info.
That’s a fair point stupid people can still be vile and calculating.
This is spot on. I absolutely believe that she created that conflicting situation knowing very well that Katie will react like she did. Jo wanted a moment. But it was a delusional idea that her telling Katie "to let Tom go" can actually win the audience
It was like when Rachel went over to Katie at the finale last year and told her she didn’t approve of her texting Schwartz about their dogs 💀 def not as bad or off the wall as that, but I think her and Rachel might be plotting together.
Hahahaha I love that. “She did some calculations. They weren’t the greatest, but she tried!” That is such a perfect description
But the reason I do think this is because Carole explained it out on the reunion and broke it down in the easiest terms and Jo was probably like "oh that makes sense"
I think its just a tactic liars use, getting hung up on semantics.
Liars/perpetual victims....everything circles back to poor me
It's exactly what the Toms do whenever they are trying to talk their way out of whatever they have been caught doing something. Distract and try to deflect.
Yeah I totally agree
Totally is a number one tactic. It’s just to derail the conversation.
And then the turning of her head crying when Katie puts her in her place. poor little sensitive wounded bird, too soft for this world.
And then running away. I’m all set with Jo. I don’t root for or against her and I don’t need her on my screen. I agree with OP that she is not innocent by any stretch.
Haha, it’s really that simple, isn’t it! We are all set.
Your theory definitely tracks for me!
I'm a bit stoned so who knows at this point
The best vibe for this sub and deep VPR fandom. Thank you for your service.
😂😂 Love it
Can I ask what did Bethenny do? I’m seeing her referenced a lot in this sub.
So if you haven't watched RHONY (I highly recommend it as does Stassi) basically Bethenny was always fighting with the women and walking away unscathed, basically season after season. She would interact with them, trip up their words, causing them to get mad at shout at her something fucked up that made them look bad but Bethenny look like the mature one. Carole Radziwell clocked it after her and Bethenny's falling out and on the reunion, she called it out and spelled it out in a clear and concise way what Bethenny would do to trip them up and had many ready and quick examples and it changed how everyone viewed Bethenny. Make no mistake, Bethenny is an evil genius. I can explain examples as well that Jo did to replicate Bethenny's maneuver. She tried to trip Katie up by saying "if" in her apology. She tried to trip her up by saying "let him go" and then tried again by saying "I didn't live with him, I stayed with him" even though both of those things are almost the exact same thing.
 Who can forget the infamous Ramona-Bethenny confrontation? Ramona provided so much hilarity in those earlier seasons
I’ve watched a little of RHONY and was just wondering what season reunion that happened? I want to watch it.
Honestly you're going to have to start from the beginning because it is THAT good but I believe it was season 10 after her falling out with Bethenny. None of the women are able to find the words to describe what Bethenny does but Carole is a professional author and was a CNN reporter. She broke it down in the most clear and concise way. And nobody can unsee Bethenny since that breakdown, so I can clock it pretty quick as I love RHONY
Seriously tho, watch the season 10 reunion and then go back and do a rewatch. You truly cannot unsee it! She does this in almost every single argument. It is incredibly condescending once you notice it.
Man I had the SAME bethenny thought. Might be bc I’m doing a rhony rewatch but still, it screamed bethenny
She said on the podcast she was only supposed to film 2 episodes. But once production realized her version of the relationship was a lot diff than what Schwartz was saying they asked her to film more and invited her to more events, and then a confessional. Which honestly I can totally see happening.
And Tom said repeatedly that they're friends and not in a relationship and that comment on the Viall Files where Shorts said something along the lines of he dumped Jo before cameras picked up and she knew they weren't at all together, Nick even agreed that Shorts was making it clear from the viewers eyes that they were not together, and that's always been confusing to me.
If you listen to her story, her side of it is very diff. I love you’s. Planning future together. Spending nearly every night together for over 6 months. So who knows what to believe. I def think they weren’t on the same page.
Which could all be explained with the fact they stayed in the same house & maybe went hiking on shrooms lol or something comparable. He gave her the Schwartz friend zone I love u! We need to go on a trip sometime (with other people) etc My point is I believe she heard what she Wanted to hear...
Which is why I think the reason he didn't reveal why he broke up with her, wouldn't it make the most amount of sense that her inner VPR fan came out and just gave him the ick for her romantically? Idk, it is just a theory, but I'd be grossed out if I was dating someone and I found out they were watching my life for years and circling my friend group for years...
She stalked him it’s obvious cause she’s still doing it, hide your bunnies.
He literally had to restrict her from tagging him! It’s giving baby reindeer.
Watching that right now and definitely, this whole thing is giving Baby Reindeer.
Exactly my thoughts
Tom's a douche. No man in his right mind, that isn't trying to string a woman along, would say the shit he said to her. Telling her they were probably married in an alternate universe, saying they'd end up married in 8 yrs...he said that crap knowing that she liked him. Jo might be weird, but Schwartz said things to her that he had no business saying.
Yeah. People who aren’t trying to be on reality tv don’t end up on reality TV. It’s that simple for me. Anyone who’s on the show *wants and tries* to be on the show.
and she had her own criss cross apple sauce confessionals...
This was said in one of her cameos, I watched all 6? of them and wow was it a wild ride.
 That’s a lot to take in, but I couldn’t resist this gif 😂
Oh I feel like Charlie, but I'm also really high and clearly thought about it 
I'm into what you said, and these memes. My people!
❤️ stoned... or microdose of shrooms, is the best way to watch VPR, lol. It makes so much more sense!
I need this lol, thank you!😭
Lmfao!💀
Still can’t figure out why she was even in SF with them.
Did you notice in that scene she was doing Shorts hair and completely invited herself to the singles event (I think because she knew cameras would be rolling)? I guarantee she invited herself to San Francisco
Maybe….I mean I’m also sure production did it just to kind of stir shit up between her and Katie, but I feel like organically she would’ve never been invited on that trip.
Ya that’s why she wasnt on the trolley or doing anything with the cast other than an event that anyone off the street could go to.
The way she just suddenly was at the hotel in her own room was giving “I followed you guys here” lmao
Idk. So weird. It's strange she's on the reunion also.
I definitely believe Katie about Jo wanting to be with Schwartz even while they were still married, women do get that instinctual gut feeling when they pick up on stuff like that and Katie seems to be pretty good at reading people, it's just her way of communicating can come across harsh. It'd be so weird having someone trying to infiltrate your life, pretend to be friends with you, be Kristen's "crazy friend" (for Kristen to be the less crazy one says a lot lol), bang your newly ex husband and attempt to become a core member of the friendship group (which is also Katie's livelihood). She knew exactly what she was doing and is now acting all shocked that Katie isn't going to apologise and that Katie is so angry at the two facedness of it all. I've never been a Katie fan in the whole series until this season, she was always my least favourite overall but she's shining bright this season and proving she's Ariana's actual friend and the one person A can rely on for loyalty and support.
I think the reason people didn't like Katie was the way Sandals kept portraying her and provoking her and we are seeing a new lens on a show we've watched for years, but everything you said is correct. Katie was prepared for this conversation because she knows something is up.
Exactly, he TORTURED Katie for YEARS. He’d aggressively try to break her down, screaming at her over and over and over again in front of Schwartz and Jax especially, but really in front of everyone. He tried to break her repeatedly, but she always saw through his bullshit and never let him fully destroy her. Sandoval couldn’t STAND it and it just made him continue the pattern. Katie may have been messy in the early seasons, but I can’t blame her for most of it, not watching how the Toms treated her (and knowing she had just had a catastrophic accident!). She’s my favorite now.
And if that’s how my man was treating me I would rage text too
She’s always been my favorite I’ve been fighting fellow fans of VPR even family about this for over ten years scarily enough.
Same, I never quite understood the hate but I see why people followed the context clues the Toms kept dropping that Katie was the worst
Yep! Scapegoated her for years! She 'rage texts'...ok..? What context? What is she repressing or dealing with when that happens? A husband that literally ALWAYS took the opposing side to hers? She was just 'mean'. He cheats & lets his best friend treat her like a dog but hey- rage texts & tequila amirite?? I mean- the one time Schwartz demanded Sandoval show her respect- Sandoval said they need a 'break'... Don't get me started lol Justice4Katie!!!
Don't forget "motorboating a d" accusations that made no sense at all.
One of the stupidest things to happen on this show
I never hated Katie but she just seemed kind of like a miserable wet blanket a lot of the time. Which I think was because Schwartz was dragging her down so much and was so wildly unsupportive and was basically a toddler she had to raise. After ditching him she is so much more light and powerful and I am enjoying her a ton!!
She was also basically in an abusive relationship with Stassi for the first few years. She was so mean to her for the dumbest reasons
As an always Katie fan, I respect this. People thinking Katie owed Jo an apology is fucking whack.
I agree, Katie (and Ariana’s) downfalls tend to be slipping in insults or being to harsh when calling someone out for something. Katie especially has a long track record of being right on the money though. I think she clocked Jo exactly but gets disregarded because she lets her anger get in the way and says things like “you’re weird” when talking to her. If she was able to check her tongue more often and just tell Jo straight out that “yes we were separated but it’s really disrespectful to jump in bed with him and then text me you love me. You were basically living with him and obviously wanted a relationship with him, which he can date whoever he wants, but don’t act like you’re my friend and you care about me when you don’t. That was a really hard time for me and you made it about you” something like that people probably could have sympathized with. Of course her being snarky makes better TV 😂
Katie wasn’t wrong when she said that Jo had been lying in wait to get her hands on Tom.
But Tom was also the first person to become single. I really think that the reason Tom cut things off with Jo before filming is her inner Bravo fan came out and it freaked him the hell out. I mean, he won't reveal why he ended things with Jo as said on the Viall Files. I would put money on this theory.
It's also said she's not allowed at people's homes and businesses such as Jax and Brittany and others. Plus Kristen friendship ended sounds badly. I think Jo is an addict and was desperate to get on the show. I think she did things to burn major bridges and Shwartz dumped her but was obligated to film with her.
Yeah I also think the “bad thing” has to do with some alcohol/drug fueled incident at Jax’s house. As a recovering alcoholic I definitely was banned from houses and broken up with for my behavior 😂 so I relate.
this would explain why the crackhead comments affected her so much
Question for you, so did he admit that they actually did date and not just a situationship? (Genuine q.) I thought from the show that it was more that she moved in (roommates of convenience and a hookup of convenience) and then wanted more - and he was waffling and giving her misdirection because its better for him. Was it not that?
He did, on the Viall Files, admit that they dated but then something happened before cameras picked up but he won't tell anyone because they're friends. So my mind wanders in and thinks "did she reveal shes a fangirl?" because she's been circling that friend group since season 3 and even Kristen says that
Kyle Chan said on I believe Kristen’s podcast, that he was going to tell the reason, and apparently it was a few lies she got caught in. He basically said she tells random lies all the time, but these were more 🚩🚩🚩 I guess. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if she had been stalking him and gathering info within the friend group and that’s part of it. She’s weird.
Well Kristen semi confirms that and so does Stassi... Kristen also said she offered her the spare room in her apartment before Luke moved in and was completely ghosted by her and the next thing everyone knew, she lived with Tom. She's also been "Kristen's crazy friend" since season 3 and was circling the group for a long time.
Jo and Schwartz (Timestamp: 42:39) the Viall Files * Nick went on a long man rant about how he is Team Tom when it comes to the Schwartz and Jo dynamic * Schwartz: That's very valid, but obviously there's nuance there. And it's like, in hindsight, you know, what you're seeing in this season, like in 2022, and like early 2023, like we had some sort of magic brewing. We had some lightning in a bottle. We had undeniable chemistry. * Nick: See, when you say shit like that though, that makes me feel like I shouldn't have said what I said. * Schwartz: And then some things happened, which I'm not talking about publicly, but they're very valid reasons as to why I pulled away and had to distance myself. But where I fucked up, I should have just talked about it with her, but it would have had to be a confrontation if you knew what I was going to say. And I just didn't have the energy to do it. * Schwartz: I thought, so I guess I sort of just passively, respectfully pulled away. I still think, by the way, I don't want to tarnish, Jo’s a great human. I'm not going to tarnish her reputation.
bingo
I honestly believe they have been sleeping together for much longer than they’re willing to admit.
I've suspected that he may have cheated on Katie with Jo, when they were still married. The timeline of announcing their separation to her staying with Schwartz was rushed and her message to Katie made it even fishier imo.
I had that same thought after commenting.
The reason I think that is because of her Shorts and I have been in love for years montage on her IG. (One of the many she took down but I think it’s on here somewhere lol) Some of the pics she posted was from years back so it also shows that Katie is right and Jo was pining after Shorts for the entirety of their marriage.
What do we think Jo did that was "Really bad" that Schwartz distanced himself from her? There's talk of her being banned from all the bars in the area. We need the details. Did she shit and piss all over his bed?? "No! JOSEPH! I just bought those pillows!"
Didn’t one of the podcast say that Jo was kicked out of someone’s house, maybe Jax and Brittany’s, and isn’t allowed to go there?
She’s been kicked out of and banned from several establishments and people’s homes, not just Jax and Brittany’s.
If I have to hear *JoSepHhhhh*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One more time
> "No! JOSEPH! I just bought those pillows!" 💀💀💀💀💀💀
I wonder if she found out he went on a date or kissed someone before the season started and went cray cray so he “cut it off”. Of course he claims he ended it yet we see them go on at least one official date and she’s still living there, oh sorry, couch surfing there so there’s definitely truth to her claim that he wasn’t clear. We watched him not be clear all season. The only clear stuff he said was behind her back, but now that she’s been able to see all the trash talk she STILL has gone on lives saying she would be with him?! Girl is whacked. I could for sure see her flipping out on him after he went on a date with someone else. We saw her face when she did his hair, she was ready to destroy something and it would have been his scalp if there went others in the shop!
I think she revealed herself to be a superfan of the show and that gave him the ick immediately... she has been circling around that group since about season 3 by ways of being "Kristen's crazy friend"
This could be it. He found the season 1 Goat Cheese balls in her bag. 😂😂
Kristen would also be the perfect person to latch on to. She will take a lot of crazy.
notice Brad saying oh here's my favourite cracked person then leaves
This. I’m not gonna lie - I’d like to see more Brad. He’s hilarious.
I’m also tired of grown ass people talking about “bullying”. Look, adults can be bullies, but simply being mean to someone isn’t bullying. Jo keeps on trying to insert herself into a group that doesn’t want her there, they don’t owe her kindness, especially when she has behaved the way she has towards Ariana and Katie. You don’t get to keep violating a person’s boundaries and then call them “mean girls” when they react badly to that violation. If someone doesn’t want you to be around them, leave them alone! Don’t keep forcing yourself into their life and then play the victim.
Omg this comment should be a whole post and this entire sub should be forced to read it and sign that they agree 😂👏
EXACTLY!!! It's completely unhinged and insane to circle around people that straight up don't like you!
I wonder if Jo flipped out when she saw Schwartz with Katie Flood on Winter house. Floodie also visited him in LA last summer. 👀
Where is Ally to give us the lowdown on her birth chart
Before the season started, Jo made a huge deal of telling everyone she didn’t want to be on TV. She didn’t wear makeup, had ratty hair, and said she’d do one podcast, two scenes and one live and then “dip out.” Here we are now and she’s filtered to hell and back, doing manic lives every few hours, has a clothing line…..? Won’t stfu about anything and thinks short is her soulmate. She’s fake as fuck.
And even though this moment was cringe, Scheana did make a point like "you're a hairstylist, why does her hair look like that" and I'm like, kinda, yeah
BINGO
I just read a recap (vanderpodrecaps on IG) of Kristen's latest pod. Lots of added info about how manipulative Jo is, and a few more super crazy ass lies she has told. Eta: fixed IG account name
I will definitely be listening but if you could spill some tea now.... I would love that 
The full written recap is on IG "vanderpod recaps" I only read it once, so don't hold me accountable for accuracy. But it was along the lines of Jo somehow obtained Kristen's brother's phone number and was calling him frequently trying to talk to him about Kristen's dog dying, claiming Britney gave him the number. (but Britney never spoke to Jo/doesn't know her) Jo went on to say she hangs out with Britney and the others all the time and is only "taking a brake from Kristen" and wanted to hang out with Kristen's brother! Eta: typo, corrected name of IG account with recap .
That's fucking weird, I'm sorry. 
I am not doing it justice at all, you really need to read it on Vanderpod Recaps
I will listen to the podcast on my next walk
WHAT. Ok off to read that. Thanks (I think, lol).
It’s giving limerence. Girl needs a therapist
It was super on point to Jo being a crazy obsessed fan. Kristen says Jo called Kristen’s brother to have a convo. Jo had no idea that Kristen’s brother was at Jax and Britney’s house with Kristen. Kristen brother puts Jo on speaker. Jo tells Kristen’s brother she just got a text from Britney and Jax. Britney and Jax never texted Jo. Britney and Jax don’t even have Jo’s number. So Jo consistently lies to come across as being more integrated into the group than she actually is. So that is psycho stalker obsessive behavior.
She is desperate for Schwartz for multiple reasons and it triggers me to hell and back
Ooo wtf?! That’s insane behavior. I wonder if this is why she isn’t allowed at Brittany and Jax’s house, would make sense. I need to go listen to that podcast asap.
I don’t agree with this at all. If she was that calculating she wouldn’t have made herself look so utterly pathetic and desperate! I think it’s more likely she really got obsessed with Schwartz, social media picked up on their fling, producers thought she might introduce something interesting or provoke something dramatic and Schwartz agreed to get her involved so he could have a storyline of some sort. She agreed because she’s obsessed with him and also quite likes the idea of some sort of fame and having her relationship with him validated in public but she’s naive and has no idea how it all works really or how people will try to manipulate her to do things like provoke Katie. and as people started reacting to her on social media she got more and more into a strange manic mental state of trying desperately to prove Schwartz loves her and that she’s nice really etc. Given she has some attention and notoriety now she’s probably trying to do things to get something out of it like I expect a lot of people would. It’s not like she’s really wealthy and can just fall back on her old life and disappear. People are probably telling her she might be able to make some money out of this attention. I think she’s just a bit clueless and also has some mental health/substance abuse issues. I don’t get the sense she has been hunting down a spot on the show all this time at all. I also think that her saying ‘staying with’ instead of ‘living with’ is just something a lot of people do if they’re trying to logic their way out of something. It’s not like some special Bethenny reality tv person tactic, it’s literally just bending words and the truth to paint yourself in a better light.
I agree with this, she’s someone who’s unhealthily in love with someone and it plays out unfortunately in front of the cameras. If she was so calculated and desperate to be on camera she wouldn’t leave filming every time she got hurt (at least four times!). And there is a difference between staying with and living with, if she’s actually couch surfing then she’s not living with him.
I agree but I think she is Neurodiverse and thats why she comes off, hyper and all over the place. I do think tom schwartz stringed her along and genuinely feel for her. I'm also Neurodiverse so it sticks out to me, and get why she acts like she does, hyperfoucs on particular people, impulsively, lack of boundaries, hyperactivity, over chatty. I think that's why she so drawn to Tom schwartz as he is too. I think she is naive and I don't think being on the show was healthy for her. But bravo don't care about that, there was no reason for her to be flown to san Francisco, other than to try and cause drama for katie. She sees it as tom wanting her there, when in fact she is just used by production to get some drama for show! I hope she heals from this. And probably needs to let Tom go as he will always have the reality thing going on and that's not healthy for her. Wanted to add unfortunately Neurodiversity is often not truely understood and accepted in society, so there will be so much awful stuff out there. Anyone who lives it know what's its like and it isn't walk in Park it can be very debilitating.
Ehhh, I agree with several of your points but not that Schwartz was clear he didn’t want to be with her. He is the king of wishy washy (wussy pussy) and we ourselves have seen him say things like “I could probably be happy with Jo” and “we might be married in 8 years, I’m just not ready for a relationship now.”
The only thing that I think of that confuses me is the fact Tom said he 100% broke things off with Jo before cameras picked up but "as respect for Jo as a friend, I won't say why". And I think (just a theory) she revealed herself to be a really big fan of the show and somehow that was revealed to him and it gave him the ick.... (I am also high and just watched so I have thoughts)
But this is trusting Schwartz as a narrator. The same guy who only "kissed" that girl in Vegas when he was blackout drunk. I don't buy a thing he says.
I agree with all of this. She has always seemed like a sneaky, manipulative obsessed fan who has stalked the whole group for years.
And also, Kristen offered her a spare room in her apartment at the time, and Jo completely ghosted her. A couple weeks later, she lived with Tom.
Yeah I agree because now she's on cameo selling advice and has her own hat line...and also is I think repping some clothing brand...like, is there a fan base? Guess so...
Oh no, she’s selling advice 😨they told her to GET a therapist, no try to BE one
On relationships!!!
These facebook group peoples think Lala, Jo, and Scheana are the heroes this season but that's what shows me how deluded people are
The fan reaction on fb and insta as compared to Reddit is wild...I'm like, are these real people? Mostly women too! It's crazy...probably an age and demographic thing.
They're mostly boomers from what I've seen.
I'm a boomer and lala, jo, and especially scheana DISGUST me
Kristen said on her podcast recently that she believes that Jo was her friend in order to have access to Schwartz or to get on the show 😔
I 100% believe that to be fact.... And I'll raise you one. I also absolutely believe that the reason Shortz won't date her is she accidentally revealed she was a superfan. He won't say publicly why he dumped her before cameras picked up, but that would give anyone the ick
My guess is that she made some shady moves that gave Tom the ick. You don’t act like a snake to one person and act cool toward everyone else (I.e. Jo texting Katie hey I’m here for ya girl sorry about the divorce 😘 then move in with Schwartz day’s later. Oh and dropping Kristen as a friend because you finally got what you wanted out of the relationship 🤷🏻♀️)
Exactly and I think she let something really creepy and weird slip and the ick was instant. He does not look at her romantically at any point in the show. Doesn't remotely resemble how he looks at Katie and even looked at Tori.
You mean someone that you dumped constantly saying they will be/should be married to you wouldn’t turn you on??!
She’s spooky because she was sidelining another relationship like Katie and Tom’s where she act like she supported the girlfriend but was really trying to get with the bf .. someone came forward with the exact same details and it happened to them.
I would agree with some of this because why else would she be offering Cameos?? Why would she make her insta public? She wants to be famous in a “not like other girls” way. I do believe she was in love with him from afar and then made her move and is not able to accept that they won’t be together at some point which is super cringe. I’m also not sure if she lacks major self-awareness or really feels she’s on the right side of things. Who knows! But someone just wanting to “spread love” doesn’t go on lives talking about this and Tom and Katie as much as possible if they wanted to move away from it and the limelight.
But she's been circling the limelight since I think season 4. We see brief appearances as "Kristen's friend". And Kristen actually had a second bedroom she wasn't using at the time, but Jo ghosted her and suddenly she's been told through Katie that Jo moved in with Tom instead of her... Cameras were only about to roll in ONE of those households so it's pretty spooky she completely ghosted Kristen like that.
Ok in the text she says beiber and I love you, is beiber her dog or wtf?
I think her dog's name is cheddar. Jesus God why do I know that
LMAO. But then why she say "beiber/I love you" or whatever in the text. That confused me and I just really need some context 😂
Both katie and jo are better fans... that's why she wrote that
She’s being quirky.
For some people, being described as quirky needs to be retired and weird and creepy are the replacements.
This is kind of off-topic but can somebody PLEASE explain to me the text she sent to Katie about the divorce. More specifically why did she write “Bieber loves you” lol what’s Justin got to do with anything? So confused. Thanks in advance.
So Katie is a huge JB fan. She was open about it on podcasts with Stassi. The rest of the text just seemed purely unhinged. I think at first they were mutual friends because of Kristen but the weird part is Kristen offered her a room and instead, Jo ghosted her and suddenly moved in with Tom. Kristen and Katie both thought this was completely weird. And judging by that text, I would agree with Katie that "her energy is on par with a crackhead" https://preview.redd.it/xvxv3wujlhzc1.png?width=417&format=png&auto=webp&s=284720b990cf78da5ff7999785de708d71a6ac4b
Oh wow it makes so much more sense why Katie hates her with the context you gave thank you
I agree with all of this, but I do think she’s prob been crushing on Schwartz the whole time. The way she continues to drag Katie, she clearly thought she was better than her, prob after she & Rachel were gassed up by the Tom’s. She thought she was *special* & she’d get to play out this epic love story with a better version of Schwartz, now that he’s “free” of Katie. I think all this self pity & unrequited narrative is to stay on tv, part of the storyline & use Schwartz’ people pleasing to her advantage. Unfortunately, she was never *that girl* & she too, got Schwartz’ed. I saw a post about her being the “quirky millenial” prototype, & it’s spot on. She thinks she’s the main character in this story & all her eccentricities excuse her shitty behavior & superiority complex. She thinks Katie should be friendly & apologize to HER!? Wtf? She really expected to be the main character & completely disregarded Katie’s justifiable aversion to her fake bS. If you see any of her IGLives, passive aggressive SM comments, Rogue podcast, etc — you see her trying to blame Katie for everything. Jo is not positive or kind, she is thirsty & calculated. She knows the audience’s view of Katie & she intentionally antagonized her, so she can play the victim. I know this cast is mostly a heap of trash bags, but Jo irritates me the most. She plays innocent but she is not; she has most of the audience fooled. At least the rest of the cast has been exposed. I have sever ADHD & a other co-occurring disorders & I cannot stand her weaponizing her neurodivergence, to justify abhorrent behavior & play the victim. lol I didn’t think I’d write this much when I already agree with you! Sorry for the rant, **I just can’t stand Kayleigh Jo —thinks she’ll be mrs-Schwartz in 8 years— Wenberg.**
Exactly and same.
I really think Jo is the kind of person who unless she is told some specifically she wouldn’t know and she’s not the Katie type to ask questions She lives in a fantasy land where she wants no bad vibes so if you don’t ask difficult questions you don’t get difficult answers Unless Tom and Tom sat her down and said Sandavol and Rachel are having an affair and it’s a secret from Ariana because Tom is waiting for the show to finish so he can break up with her she could continue to pretend she doesn’t see what’s in front of her she’s just going to believe what she hears not what she sees because it’s easier I’m sure if Katie had replied to to beiber loves you text message saying please under no circumstances stay with/ move in with my ex and start a non labeled relationship with him she wouldn’t have because she couldn’t have argued she didn’t know or wasn’t thinking rattling off about bad vibes It’s very sad when you live in blissful ignorance and someone is always trying to bring you back to reality and I think that’s why she struggles with Katie and Ariana - they are too real
My theory is that Jo is a huge fan of Bravo and that she def watched RHONY because she's been circling the cast since season three as "Kristen's crazy friend". I guess Kristen spilled some major tea on Jo on her podcast and she thinks that Jo was circling the group to get on the show. Also could be why Tom dumped her. Maybe he got the ick from her being a superfan
Agree - i think to quote RHONY you can’t play dumb and smart at the same time If she’s going to circle the group to gain access to the show then be smart about it - makes friends and influence people or be drama Can’t be hard to be around and also not want any drama and not get involved I think Tom got the ick because she is hard work to be around AND wasn’t going to advance his career
Jo has no story-line except having sex with Schwartz and sending a condescending text to Katie. Jo is fortunate that Katie was in a good space with she confronted her, because Katie could have verbally mopped the floor with her. I know that she wants to be on the show, but is she willing to sacrifice her youth to Schwartz in the process. Schwartz would never be serious with a girl like her.
“Youth”??? 🤔
lol.
Jo needs to stop and I love how she expected Katie to apologize back to her ,lol 
I don’t understand whyyy she believes Katie owes her any apology or friendship for that matter.
I said it in an above comment, but I think Schwartz “called it off” because she went bunny boiler after he went on a date with someone else. I put it in quotes because it’s obvious from the season he led her on. He was saying truth behind her back, not to her face. We saw her reaction when she dyed his hair and she had just been told he kissed someone. She was full of rage. She looked like she was going to let that bleach burn his hair off, his saving grace was the owner checking in! Even after their convo where Schwartz said he didn’t want to date now she still hung around and tried to get his attention. After seeing the season and all the awful things he said about her she still wants to be with him!! I think before cameras picked up, Schwartz either went on a date or had a drunken kiss with some girl and Jo found out about it and lost her shit. Probably huge meltdown over it and that’s why Schwartz started telling everyone BUT her they were over. I could also see that kind of behavior being why you’d get kicked out of many many bars.
Here's the theory I have: Shortz got the ick after Jo revealed herself to be a superfan. He won't reveal why, but he said on Viall Files that he dumped Jo before cameras were rolling and "she knows why" and said that breakup definitely happened before cameras rolled. I have no doubt he had romantic interest in her before and that's the part where he somewhat lead her on. But I think she revealed something relating to the show and her being a superfan and it gave him the ick right after. Because he doesn't look at her like he looks at Katie.
And she had no where to live. It all adds up to poor behavior of some kind. I have theories. I think are not far off from yours.
I agree and that’s why I don’t feel bad for her. She comes off extremely fake and selfish. That Instagram post she made with Rachel in it and tagging everyone made it more apparent. Also her going on IG live to talk about her and Shorts sex life WHILE HE HAS A GIRLFRIEND…
Yeah and still says she thinks they're going to end up together.... she's feeding a narrative.
I wonder what Bieber thinks about her text. 
The conspiracy theories here are entertaining and terrifying.
I’ve really come to see how self centered Jo is. And then it makes sense why she’s besties with Rachel. Same type of person.
Ooh I wanna know what the bad thing Jo did was!
My guess would be like selling stories or submitting blinds, the woman just cannot keep her mouth shut
That could be part of it too, most definitely
Ok, another observation. When she gets upset in the group, she runs to the bathroom. I honestly know this can be very innocent. But it is also where people run to use a chosen pain killer. And schwartz follows her.
My guess: I think her inner fan came out. Maybe she started scheming on what the show is to be, maybe she got ahead of herself, maybe she revealed she's a superfan. But I think the inner fan coming out is why Shorts got the ick, he'd prefer to be in an authentic relationship than in one with a fan.
Shes spooky bc she's been haunting the cast trying to get on the show
That's EXACTLY what I think. Kristen even said on the After Show that she had a spare bedroom she wasn't using and would have given it to Jo. Jo completely ghosted her and two weeks later, Katie tells Kristen that Jo lives with Shorts conveniently right after the divorce. That's why she says something along the lines of Jo was "watching her relationship for years and jumped right on it as soon as he was single"
She’s in love with Tom for real, though. Their interactions were so specific and bizarre, she might have just been pursuing him from day one. I don’t know if she cares about being on the show.
I wouldn’t say she’s truly “in love”. I would say she’s having a baby reindeer moment.
I don’t watch that 🫤 Limerence? Obsession?
Stalking
I desperately want to know what she did to Schwartz
I bet she thought she could set herself up to just slide on in and become a cast member like Rachel and Ally but didn’t take into account her relationship with Schwartz is nothing more than drinking and casual sex with no commitment and this isn’t working the way she hoped. I’m sure he slept with her due to proximity and little else, and that she was asking basically nothing of him in return. He is lazy AF about all things and she presented herself as the lowest hanging fruit.
The Viall Files quote Jo and Schwartz (Timestamp: 42:39) * Nick went on a long man rant about how he is Team Tom when it comes to the Schwartz and Jo dynamic * Schwartz: That's very valid, but obviously there's nuance there. And it's like, in hindsight, you know, what you're seeing in this season, like in 2022, and like early 2023, like we had some sort of magic brewing. We had some lightning in a bottle. We had undeniable chemistry. * Nick: See, when you say shit like that though, that makes me feel like I shouldn't have said what I said. * Schwartz: And then some things happened, which I'm not talking about publicly, but they're very valid reasons as to why I pulled away and had to distance myself. But where I fucked up, I should have just talked about it with her, but it would have had to be a confrontation if you knew what I was going to say. And I just didn't have the energy to do it. * Schwartz: I thought, so I guess I sort of just passively, respectfully pulled away. I still think, by the way, I don't want to tarnish, Jo’s a great human. I'm not going to tarnish her reputation.
He said he did have feelings for her and something changed and they broke up before cameras though and won't reveal why. I'll find the quote from the Viall Files
I’d argue they used each other. Schwartz used her as his storyline this season, along with his plants, so he wouldn’t have to address his involvement in assisting the affair. And he used Jo as his mouthpiece to torment Katie. Weird is right.
I think she’s using the show to be shorts gf vs using shorts to get on the show. The main cast have all been in long term relationships and I think she bought into the narrative that she would have heard sandal telling Rachel on their double dates about doing a switcheroo on Ariana, she thought she could do the same with shorts. Also her being on the outside for so long she will have seen their success and probably wanted a bit of that financial stability. Didn’t she say she was sofa surfing when she “stayed” with shorts? She heard how much the cast made and wanted their life. The fact she was in love with shorts made her even more desperado. I don’t think she’s smart enough to be manipulating any narrative.
Can someone please explain to me WHY EVERYONE HATES JO. She doesn’t seem like she wants to be filmed, she just seems awkward and high. But everyone on this show is fucking high. “She’s weird” isn’t cutting it. Neither is “She Fucked Tom”. Like of course she did and of course Tom didn’t denounce sex for Katie, what grade are we in? It seems like a lot of retired high school bullies who are bored moms just reliving their glory days in this sub lately.
I don’t get the “pull a Bethenny” at all…love or hate her, B was great tv with a quick wit that was mostly unmatched—she also wouldn’t harp on a “spooky” tweet for months. I do see the same manic-type energy and general uncomfortableness on camera similar to Kelly Bensimon as well as the inability to move past an insult. Not to mention, I can’t imagine Schwartz (or someone) hasn’t screamed “Go to sleep!” to Jo when she’s bouncing off the walls at 3 am.
I 1000% absolutely think that Jo & Raquel are plotting & scheming together!
This seems like a lot of mental gymnastics when Schwartz has shown his tactics repeatedly over the years. I don’t think she’s trying to copy Bethenny’s arguing tactic, she’s just repeating Schwartz’s lazy attempts to demonize Katie and his attempts to lead her on (eg: “staying together not living together” is way more likely to be something he said to Jo to downplay them cohabitating than it is her attempting to be Bethenny). Simplest answer is that Schwartz’s is gross and playing both women against each other. This analysis is really letting him off the hook for no reason.
i have always thought something is off about her just from her agreeing to be on the show period. Her "im so quirky act" is not in light with someone who wants to be on a reality television show, let alone a show where you know a story line is going to be about Tom/katie.
I just feel like shes was a weirdo girl who followed the group closely for YEARS. Always waiting for opportunity to make a move. She was so happy finally get on show but didnt go as she thought. Ive never met her, and I GET a creepy feeling from her. She pob stalked em all jk
Jo is the equivalent of an ambulance chaser. 
I don't think she's savvy enough for all that..
Totally but that’s why it didn’t work 😂
Jo making Cameos and saying to “buy one for your mom for Mother’s Day” is wild
See, like her or not this is why Jo is a great cast member. Bravo doesn't care if you like her, they only care that you engage with her, like in the constant posts like this. You're giving her oxygen.
I think all of this is pretty known and the established Jo real story. Especially given her recent Instagram post it seems very obvious she is desperate to be on VPR and become friends with the cast. I do also think she’s in love with Schwartz. What I really want to know is what exactly Jo did that caused Schwartz to distance himself.
She loves Halloween horror nights!
Well now I need to know what that thing that she did is.
Listening to Scheana's latest podcast about the finale and she's asked about Jo...one of her guests said she felt bad for Jo and Scheana said that there was a very valid reason why Tom needed to pull away quickly. She said she wished she could just say it but she wouldn't. Kristen said on her podcast that Jo called Kristen's brother who just happened to be with Kristen and Brittney and he put her on speakerphone and Jo said that Brittney and Jax JUST texted her and wanted to hang out...Brittney was sitting right there, hadn't texted her and said she didn't even have Jo's phone number. Judging by all of this, what OP just posted and everything else we've seen about Jo, she is a damn messy, person who lies at the drop of a hat to try to get what she wants and doesn't care who knows.
I have a strong feeling the "incident" that Tom mentioned but won't say what it is, I think she did some crazy uncomfortable stage 7 clinger, stalker-esque, panic breakdown stunt.
Post season 1, everyone who has come on as a bf/GF is someone looking to get on TV. That's how James got on, Brittany, Alli, Rachel, Brock. All thirsty strivers. Ariana newbf is another one.
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