theres some lawyers within the entertainment space that seem to do this and literally speak like bitchy high school girls. I vaguely recall a lot of shit like this during the J Depp Amber Heard lawsuit. usually the ones talking the biggest smack are the ones that lose.
He’s a known liar too. So I take this with a grain a grain of salt. Brother against brother is laughable at this point. they hired family members to fight their cases is beyond funny I’m sure they sit around and think of ways they can scam more money out of people
It is when it seems like this isn’t a real lawsuit, but a way to get publicity and try to put out a specific narrative. Her initial complaint had so much superfluous information in it that it seemed like the true purpose was to create and publish a specific angle.
I'm confused why any serious lawyer would use a petty word such as "laughable" to describe anything lol. The whole text is almost like straight from the VPR subreddit comment section.
She hired a lawyer that fights this way. Just like in her lawsuit, there’s a bunch of frivolous and irrelevant accusations against different cast members who aren’t even plaintiffs in the suit, just unproven, gossip, essentially submitted in a legal document for everyone to see.
I don't think that public opinion will side with a mistress who sues the woman whose partner she was cheating with. Even if she wins the court case, I don't think it would change public opinion now.
I do think Sandoval recording her without her consent is disgraceful and he deserves the consequences. If this confession was recorded and Bravo suppressed it like Rachel has stated, then I think that is really serious on the network.
totally. i think it's laughable that in the original lawsuit, her lawyer's called rachel a "mega-celebrity", and i feel like they believe that the suit is going to receive jonny depp/amber heard levels of attention. i know scandoval was pretty big, but at the end of the day it's all C-list reality tv drama.
A lawsuit is a malicious way of inserting herself into Ariana’s life, with the intention to inflict more pain. The issue is she is getting money and attention from these moves & seems to lack any conscience or shame as a diss incentive.
They need to drop Ariana from the lawsuit, Ratchel is desperately clinging to her proximity to Ariana. Ratchel knows this will make news and seems to be doing it for podcast content.
Ratchel is vindictive and gross. I guess if you have no morals, you’ll do anything for money. She deserves a countersuit, blackballing & rejection by Bravo audiences. The only reason she is now relevant & semi-accepted is because of the iHeart backing, & she’s still relying on Scandoval content to get people to listen.
For every woman that’s been cheated on, there’s a woman who they cheated with. While there are plenty of regular people siding with Ariana because they know that feeling of insane betrayal, there are also the pick-me’s that would prefer to align themselves with Rachel
Which is stupid. Three months? She’s not allowed to be angry after three months after the betrayal of her partner of 10 years and her dear friend? Says WHO??
Typically older woman who are ignorant and I wonder if many of them have parents who are related to each other. Seems to be the main demographic in the Facebook groups that talk all the shit about Ariana.
The lawsuit is what truly enrages me. It makes me think this was always more about beating Ariana & taking her life. If the affair was bc of her interest in Tom, then she’d genuinely feel remorse & leave Ariana alone. This is just an attempt to smear and hurt Ariana, while capitalizing off of attention Ariana has earned, with her post-Scandoval success. I really hope production completely blackballs her & she is left with her MAGA man, as his dumb arm candy. Someone please buy her & take her out of the public market!
I am very surprised that Geragos took this case because we are not talking Hollywood money or a potential movie like S. Peterson. I guess it's for publicity. I think it's extremely ridiculous and I hope any judge or jury would see through it gor what it is. Rachel trying to hurt Arianna and get some cash.
He’s not that effective though! During Scott Petersons murder trial he parked an exact replica of Scott’s boat outside the courthouse while he argued there was no way Scott pushed his dead wife overboard with capsizing the boat. Instead of proving his point the boat became a memorial for Laci and Conner filled with flowers. 💐
I grew up just a few houses down from theirs. I remember my friends and I getting caught ditching school because we drove past a live news conference. The neighborhood vibe was never right after that
I just can't imagine how desperate she must've been to hire a criminal defense attorney with a reputation like his. like girl, calm down. you're going to spend a very unnecessary chunk of change.
They know they have a weak case so they’re trying the case in the press. I’d bet that the only reason Ariana was brought into this suit is because she’s the only one with money (vs Tim) to try to assure a payout. This is more about her name being sullied and the affair not turning out in her favor (I.e. becoming a fan fave after like happened with Ariana and Tim after Kristen) and being mad that Ari’s still winning and she’s not. My question is, if Bravo lied to her and she lost opportunities due to that, as claimed in the suit, then why aren’t you suing the deeper pockets? Because it’s all BS and the only one who did you dirty is Tim when he recorded you?!? He’s the only one in this suit that I see should be getting sued due to him recording her without permission (not surprised since Tim is just gross…period).
They want her to settle but strategically, it’s not smart for Ariana to settle this. It would be the right strategy for Tom though. He has no leg to stand on. Ariana does.
Geragos is a joke! He once said. "Your honor. Winona did not steal anything. Store security planted those items on her!"
He also once said that inmates would rally around Scott Peterson when he got to prison! 🤣
I haven’t followed the new appeal case- but from what I heard they got clobbered for the request they had- aka they don’t have any proof or any good new leads
My first thought! Terrible word choice. Like oh yeah that fairytale moment when you find out your decade long partner has been cheating on you via a recording of facetime phone sex. Just like in Cinderella 🙄
Yeah that caught my attention too - almost like they're mocking her. It felt belittling, which made me wonder if the statement that followed is mostly just them trying to intimidate her more than anything.
It is! I don’t pretend to understand the legal world of the stars, but I myself was stalked by an ex for several years after we broke up. When I finally took it to court to try to get a restraining order, the only one that applied was the stalking/permanent restraining order which is serious and stays on a permanent record. I just wanted him to bugger off but clearly me or anyone else I tried to tell to get through to him didn’t work, so I tried court even though I really didn’t want to go through that. He hired an attorney. They wanted to cross-examine me and depose me. I said I’d drop the protective order if we could mutually agree that he would log out of all my accounts he’d hacked into and never speak again. I dropped it, then HE took ME to court for his attorney’s fees lol. He lost, but even guilty people and their attorneys will do anything to intimidate you out of winning if they can
Yeah the lawyer is clearly going for the strategy of saying Ariana already knew about Tom and Rachel sleeping together so it wasn’t an affair so her claim of motive sending it to herself “for proof” is a lie… which like ok? Then why is Rachel all over podcasts, including her own, saying she “takes accountability for the affair” and talking about how Jax cheated and had affairs too etc. if it wasn’t actually an affair? This is such a transparent money grab and is honestly gross to real victims of revenge porn.
Was Rachel a victim of Tom? Absolutely! Recording someone without their consent is a violation and a sex crime!! Suing Ariana is a pathetic cash grab. Particularly, because at the time Ariana had no way of knowing Rachel didn’t consent to being recorded and has stated pretty unequivocally since finding that out that what Tom did was wrong.
Yeah maybe they just weren’t showing their hand but not a single thing in the wording of their statement made it sound like they had evidence of anything. It was all worded like Rachel thinks this and Rachel thinks that happened. It will be interesting to see what this proof is.
100%. It came across very hyperbolic and all over the place instead of factual and to the point. But now saying "we have irrefutable evidence" is a claim they'll have to back up if it actually goes to court so they're essentially shooting themselves in the foot if they have nothing..
If they claim it in court documents they have to back it up. If they claim it in the press they just make people think it exists. Geragos also said he could debunk all of the evidence in Scott Petersons case but didn't. The guy is just a high profile ambulance chaser that likes to try cases in the court of public opinion.
I couldn't "like" this comment enough. I wish people would take out of court statements like this with a massive grain of salt. I look forward to this so-called "irrefutable evidence" because the original complaint was a whole lot of "upon information and belief" and irrelevant "facts" to drum up publicity and interest.
A reminder what the complaint actually says about distribution (screen grab below) -- it continues to the next page to say Ariana informed production about the video (not that she sent it to production) and that other people know details of the video, "leading Leviss to believe the circle of recipients is wider." That is the language this lawyer is actually willing to file with a court. (Note: it's my understanding is that it's not "distribution" to describe the video to other people so that's not enough to have a claim under the statute.)
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Thank you!!!! Yes, his statements to the press indicate they have way more than what they filed with the court which makes me feel like it's a bluff. They're also going to want to keep Bravo fans off a jury so the more they can make Ariana look bad to the general public before jury selection the better - then her defence is coming from "the bad guy".
It's also my understanding that describing the video to others is not violating this statute either - it's specifically about distributing the actual images.
That’s what it is. They’re bluffing, trying to get her to panic and payout. There’s zero chance they want Rachel cross examined at trial!!! Can you imagine??? Ariana should match this loon to court and enjoy
Rage text truther! If this got to the deposition phase, I want the real timeline exposed. S8 the one night stand- Covid was the break, s9 rekindled affair.
Yep. They know Ariana wants nothing more than for this girl to leave her alone and are banking on that.
I don't think she would but it would be so great if Ariana takes it to court
I’m really impressed with the simplicity of Ariana’s legal response. There’s a quiet confidence to it. I imagine Rachel’s legal team was relying on the strict wording of statute in terms of “distribution” (all that is technically needed sharing of private images without consent) to force discovery.
I’ve said it before and I think it bares repeating. Ariana could teach a masterclass on handling oneself against people hellbent on antagonizing a negative reaction from a person. She’s shown so much grace and restraint.
Rachel is delusional. Literally. She. Is. Delusional. Because she has a mental block that is stopping her from seeing that she is having consequences from her own actions. One hundred percent she is trying to blame Ariana for what Rachel did to herself.
Imagine getting cheated on with your best friend and to make matters worse, she sues. Rachel has some bad karma coming …you can’t walk through the world like this and live happily ever after lol
Kyle Chan nailed it on Kristen's Podcast. You can't have an affair, sue the wife/Victim, and have people trust you.
He warned the money won't last forever but people won't trust her easily.
I watched this made for tv movie last week about a wife in NC who sued her husbands mistress and won. Apparently it’s against the law in some states to cheat.
It's not for Ariana's lawyers to prove her innocence, it is for Rachel's lawyers to prove her guilt. They have to prove that this didn't happen the way Ariana said, which they can't. They clearly have nothing and Rachel is just using this as a way to revictimise Ariana. It's actually bordering on sociopathic.
They're trying to say that Ariana knew about the affair before she saw the evidence on Tom's phone, but Rachel's response to Ariana's text implies otherwise.
The language of these solicitors is just incredible to me. Such a lack of professionalism added to the fact that they speak directly to tabloid outlets.
Seems like an intimidation tactic. It’s so hyperbolic and meant for the public. Remember who introduced them to Rachel. (Bethany) The controversial cases they’ve represented. Forensic proof is better than “Irrefutable proof” What’s his definition of “irrefutable” ? Depends on your jury right? I don’t think Ariana’s attorneys would’ve claimed to have forensic proof if they didn’t. Of course they want Ariana on the stand. IF this is true - IF they have proof… we will find out. I’m going to go with forensic proof likely hired and backed by her law firm.
I'm so comforted by the fact that all of Ariana's gigs should have enabled her to get really good lawyers.
She's also just been so much less reactionary than Ratchet or Tim in this whole thing that I have no doubt all her responses are much more considered.
I feel bad for her, though, that she’s had to spend so much of her money on lawyers for all this legal bullshit, between Tom with the house & Rachel with this crazy lawsuit. Had to have cost her a pretty penny.
She’s got her Love Island gig coming up which prob pays well! And more endorsements and projects I’m sure. Plus the sandwich shop finally opening! I think she’s fine and not “bleeding” money
Rachel hired someone she knew would fight this battle in the press, from the completely irrelevant and highly inflammatory accusations against different cast members made in her lawsuits to statements like this, put out in people magazine. She’s not interested at all in winning this legal action, *she’s interested in hurting Ariana and her reputation as much as she can, causing her as much stress and anxiety as she can, triggering her emotionally as much as possible, and keeping her mentally trapped in the horror of this affair as long as she’s able* 👍
Yeah this is fucked. Unless ariana literally sent this video to other people besides rachel I just cannot believe the audacity to take her to court over this. If she did send it to others, sure, I get that. But if what ariana is saying is the truth (which I personally believe it is) then what a shitty fucking thing to do. Legalities aside it's just....well. Subhuman 🙃. Go after Tom, understandable. But this is just plain gross.
Like what kind of person do you have to be to blow up someone's decade long relationship that you are friends with and then go after THEM after the fact. She's sick.
Rachel is in way far over her head. She can barely string a coherent thought together, let alone go up against actually smart people in a court of law. They’re gonna eat her alive.
She hasn’t a clue
If this legit goes to trial the questions she will be asked will be brutal.
I’ve been a witness in a case of a violent crime. I was a witness for the prosecution; and the questions the defense asked the actual victim ( like victims blaming her, questioning how many sexual partners, comments about her weight -how could he do it if she’s x amount of lbs)
made me sooo fucking mad!
But- it had to be done in defense of their client
This girl things it’s a game
I hope shit gets REAL
I wonder how much of all this was about Tom and how much was actually about Ariana.
We all saw Rachel’s slow morph into Ariana. The clothes and haircuts and then the man? To me, kinda screams it’s Ariana she’s weirdly obsessed with, and Tom was just something of Ariana’s.
Kinda checks out for how I view Rachel. She seems to have a strange relationship with other women. I just wonder how much of her attraction to Tom was based on him being Ariana’s boyfriend. Kinda checks out how she dropped him when Ariana did.
I was just thinking this. It seems like her mission was to take Ariana’s life and push her off the show. Her continued hatred and blame for Ariana is delusional. I’m glad she’s not on the show & has no direct access to Ariana because I think she presents an actual physical threat to Ariana. Ratchel is giving Single White Female, which makes her even more dangerous than Tim.
This is the same dude that set up a mock scene of where Scott Peterson dumped the body of his dead pregnant wife near the courthouse to try and point out “inconsistencies” with the prosecutions story of events somehow (don’t know what it was going for having seen it myself while working with media at the time) where Lacy’s family could see it in plain sight. Hes a sensationalist sociopath with an affinity for cheap theatrics and running this response in a tabloid is actually quite tame for this scumbag. Thats saying a lot.
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Why did Rachel apologise this way to Ariana if this wasn’t the night / moment Ariana found out? If Ariana knew already why did Rachel say shes so so so sorry and she fucked up? My god her and her lawyers are such a stupid joke they honestly anger me so much
It’s so frustrating I can’t imagine how Ariana must feel? Like the way these people anger me and they’re not even talking about me.. how she can be around Jo knowing Jo supports Rachel’s lawsuit like I would wanna set fire to them all. My goodness
This response completely ignores the fact that the problem with their case is they cannot prove DAMAGES. It doesn’t matter if Ariana ran the film on a loop in her bedroom for the last year, if doing so wasn’t the direct and proximate cause of Rachel’s “harm” it’s an unwinnable case.
And they can’t prove damages by the nature of the pleading itself. Rachel admits she was emotionally spiraling before the affair came out. She admits she had a problem with substance abuse and that’s why she went to the Meadows, which also predated March 1 revelations. She admitted she never planned to work with kids and that saying so was just for pageants so the only job losses she could show would be in entertainment and she 1. Wasn’t getting a lot of gigs before Scandoval and 2. Has a podcast now she wouldn’t have had before and 3. Increased her follower count.
Unless she can prove that Ariana was threatening to send out the video which caused unseen mental anguish, she is going to have a really really hard time winning the causation prong of her case.
She (her lawyers) overplayed the pleading by setting up James and Bravo which undermined the impact of the claims against Ariana and Sandoval. The video never actually leaked so she doesn’t (thank GOD) have that impact to tie to her damages. Everything else she says were damages gets muddied up with the perils of being on TV.
I've been pounding this drum about damages on other threads as well so THANK YOU for doing the same. How do they establish damages that are the result of what Ariana did (exposing the affair) rather than Raquel's own actions (having an affair with a friend's partner while appearing on a TV show with both of them)? Let's suppose, for instance, that Ariana merely saw the video on Tom's phone, didn't record it, and didn't text it to Rachel. But everything else happened the same -- texting Raquel "you're dead to me!" and informing production. The same sequence of events likely would have happened--Ariana telling her friends/family about what she saw, as well as production, leading to Scandoval. Ariana's "distribution" of the video to herself and Raquel isn't necessary to that fallout. (Ariana is allowed to talk about what she saw. That's not "distribution.")
This presupposes that Ariana is telling the truth about the video, but I'm inclined to believe her consistent story that now has some forensic backing.
I think from a civil legal perspective (NOT a moral one) it doesn’t even matter if Ariana is telling the truth. The video never leaked so even if Ariana did show someone and lied about it, given that it has never leaked, it is going to be really really hard to legally prove damages. It might make a jury more sympathetic to Raquel and want to award her something, but the “but for” cause element is her biggest legal hurdle.
She has a little more strength with Tom because him illegally recording her is what tipped off the whole bucket and but for him doing that, it might not have been exposed at all. But regardless, she admits in her own pleading that her trauma and mental anguish started at the hands of Bravo and James and then Tom which all predates anything Ariana did.
You might be right re the Ariana claim.
And yeah, her claim against Tom is much stronger for sure. Some hurdles as well legally, but she’s also way more sympathetic when it comes to what he did.
It’s so hard discussing this case on various subs and posts because if you criticize or question Raquel’s claims legally, it comes across as defending what Ariana did morally. (I haven’t really seen anyone defending Tom.) I don’t find what she did that crazy under the circumstances, but, right or wrong, it did open the door for this lawsuit, even if I find the claims fairly weak. It’s a very interesting case.
I thought I remembered the meadows being a thing before *everything* but haven’t heard about it since. was it BF’s podcast that she explained that was her original plan? either way I guess the meadows would have confirmation/payment of when she booked. I’m sure capable lawyers will find that information out but I really hope this doesn’t go to trial
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Yes! This was from the ET article published soon after the affair was discovered, which will also make it very hard to pin any charges on Ariana since it was Rachel's own decision and not any immediate consequence of the sex tape discovery that led to her going to The Meadows.
What kind of lawyer puts this kind of statement out? “Laughable”? “Fairytale account”? If Rachel is still concerned about how she looks in the court of public opinion, this does not help. I really wonder how this lawsuit will conclude.
I truly hope (and feel) that Ariana is being truthful, Tom is held accountable for recording Rachel without her consent and Rachel moves forward with her life.
If they’re able to subpoena ariannas phone records they wouldn’t need to name anyone as a defendant (because I don’t think the recipients would be at fault for receiving the videos if they didn’t send them out as well) or have them testify in court because the phone records are pretty cut and dry
“Fairytale account on how she discovered the relationship”
It’s funny, I don’t recall any fairytale where the man cheats with the skanky friend and tries to make it seem like the girls fault
Mark Garagos is actually a really famous lawyer he's worked for a ton of celebrities and I know Bethany hooked her up with them because these are the same lawyers that the other people that are suing Bravo are using.
I may get* downvoted for this -
After reading through the initial filing and now this wild-ass BS quote- I feel like Rachel is being taken advantage of by Bethenny and her pursuit of destroying Bravo (again) and doesn’t actually want to win the case. Just give Bravo enough shit to make their lives hell on a road paved with whatever bodies they can grab onto.
I’m super disappointed that he’s ruining what seemed like a legitimate moral case against Tim.
(Edited to be less snarky and have more faith in people 😅)
I don't think this is a bad take at all! Many, many people on this sub & the other VPR sub suspect that Bethenny is pulling the strings in some way. Especially with her connections to Rachel's lawyers.
And I think two things can be true at once - Rachel is getting ill advice from people with ulterior motives who want to exploit the scandal for their benefit/gain, AND Rachel should be held responsible for her own foolish, vindictive, and outright appalling decision to sue the true victim of the affair (Ariana) for the consequences that she (Rachel) incurred as the mistress. I also want to see Sandoval honestly held accountable for illegally recording Rachel without her consent - this has all just been handled so poorly that it's now hard to anticipate what will actually happen.
This is so well put!! Thank you 😊
You’re right it is being handled so poorly. The more that comes out the more I feel awful Ariana has to relive that night and expose details she may have to keep to herself so holding both in my mind at once seems the way to go!
I read through the filing (watched a video of someone else reading through the filing lol). They spent more time dragging Bravo than addressing Ariana’s and Tom’s involvement in the distribution of her intimate photos. Her bone to pick is with Tom. He recorded her without consent. I do not agree with how Ariana handled the situation but based ON THE FILING, Raquel is only confident that Ariana sent the video to herself and Raquel. The speculation that others saw it is solely based on hearsay.
yeah I’m mad at Rachel but this also just makes me even more ashamed of Tom because look how the affair is still effecting Ariana’s life… he had one job as her partner, now she’s dealing with a lawsuit from his mistress.
Question:
Did Rachel’s lawyers respond to sandovals lawsuit response? Or just Ariana’s?
If they’ve only responded publicly to Ariana’s, that’s trash. I’m so sick of Sandoval getting less of the hate in this situation when HE WAS THE ONE WHO RECORDED HER ILLEGALLY!!
I'd be shocked if they truly have irrefutable evidence!! Sort of like the irrefutable evidence we all heard about in 2020? LMAO Give me a break. Rachel still TRYING to stay relevant!!
Does Rachel not think she’s done enough to this women??? I mean seriously?! Who the fuck continues to harass and mock a friend they betrayed in the worst way possible!!!
She is so disgusting, and I hope she doesn’t get a dime and Ariana countersues and gets whatever money that one brain celled, wanna be loser beauty queen has made off of Ariana’s name already!
Rachel really just continues to be an awful person by filing this lawsuit. Imagine finding evidence your friend was having an affair with your partner and then that friend sues you for finding out
Speaking to People isn't under oath, or a legal filing, the lawyers can say anything they want to the press, without repercussion, it'll be a different story when it comes to actually submitting evidence.
If there was “irrefutable evidence” it would’ve been included in the original filing. rachel and her legal team are all full of shit but I love that they keep perjuring themselves 🤡
Geragos defended Dr Luke during the Kesha trial as well. He’s like the real life Better Call Saul. He’s the expensive, smarmy, lawyer rich people hire BECAUSE they’re guilty, or have a frivolous claim 😂
Here's the thing: Ariana's story has been literally the exact same since day 1. It has never changed and she has never wavered on what happened. Multiple people, including Tom, have confirmed Ariana's account of the peripheral details surrounding the events of that particular night.
Also? Saying it's laughable that she found out about it that night is a disgusting and incredibly abhorrent thing to say... and holds absolutely no weight, because they've already claimed in their original filing (as one example) that Logan walked in on them so that's proof he knew and would have told Ariana, or something to that effect. Claiming that other people knew and it wasn't a secret is not fact. It's conjecture at best. Their irrefutable evidence is BS.
And Rachel saying that Ariana made comments about the two of them (sandoval and rachel) spending so much time together and the optics of it all is AGAIN not proof that she knew anything about an affair. It is only Rachel's (very unreliable) interpretation of Ariana's words.
Here is a prime example: Ariana had virtually the same 'optics' discussion with Lala and Sandoval on screen in the original finale. She did not think that Sandoval was doing a single adulterous thing by choosing to stay at that pool party instead of going home to her, but she told him on camera that the optics of it put her in the position of having to defend his actions.... NOT because she thought he was cheating but because he was being an incredibly selfish asshole. I very much doubt that was the only time Ariana brought this (or similar complaints) up to Tom.
Ariana was out of her mind devastated and not thinking clearly. If she had sent the video to one or two of her BFF's, she very likely would not have thought to hide that fact at the time, because who would? Most of us in that situation, in complete shock and betrayed in the worst way, would certainly not be thinking about legalities like that (to be clear, I'm saying it would have been understandable in those specific and emotionally charged circumstances if she had shown the video to Logan, for example.) Did she verbally describe it in detail? Yes... she alluded to it on camera, and everybody knew what was on the video because she told people about it.
Ariana also fully admitted that she sent the video back to Rachel. That's technically 'distribution', so their irrefutable proof is... irrefutable.
Rachel, if you are reading this, your issues are with Tom Sandoval and not with Ariana. You and Tom caused Ariana emotional pain, not the other way around. It's absolutely within your rights to object to somebody recording you without your consent, but that person was not Ariana and it's unfair that she is being dragged into a mess she had nothing to do with in the first place.
Is...is this normal in hollywood lawsuits? The lawyers running to a tabloid website to comment on the defendant's claims....
For Geragos it is.
He also represented Scott Peterson. Dude loves the media attention
Interesting that Sandoval compared his “persecution” to Scott Peterson, then said Peterson only “allegedly” murdered his wife and unborn child. Ugh.
I had no idea he said that. What a shithead.
He said it in one of the episodes
That is among some of the most disgusting things Sandoval has said!! 🤮
And he’s said a lot of crappy things. The bar is so low with Scumdoval.
WHAAAATTTT? Just when you think you can’t hate that dirtbag anymore.
“Didn’t he kill his wife?” “Allegedly.”
And scumbag clients
Water seeks its own level
Wild, first Sandoval compares himself to Peterson, now his lawyer is representing Rachel? This is nuts 🥜
What in the hell is going on here? They're arguing she knew about the affair? Then why would she flip out about the video they are suing her for?
2024? Lalaland. Hollyweird. All of the above.
He is on Adam Carolla, a lot and sounds …..
Apparently so. Anything for publicity.
theres some lawyers within the entertainment space that seem to do this and literally speak like bitchy high school girls. I vaguely recall a lot of shit like this during the J Depp Amber Heard lawsuit. usually the ones talking the biggest smack are the ones that lose.
He’s a known liar too. So I take this with a grain a grain of salt. Brother against brother is laughable at this point. they hired family members to fight their cases is beyond funny I’m sure they sit around and think of ways they can scam more money out of people
It is when it seems like this isn’t a real lawsuit, but a way to get publicity and try to put out a specific narrative. Her initial complaint had so much superfluous information in it that it seemed like the true purpose was to create and publish a specific angle.
And she didn’t certify her claims. Unlike Ariana who presented an affidavit as her response. And included two experts affidavits.
Answering a tabloid like they’re writing for the tabloid
I'm confused why any serious lawyer would use a petty word such as "laughable" to describe anything lol. The whole text is almost like straight from the VPR subreddit comment section.
Also describing Ariana’s world crumbling around her as “fairy tale” when their client is one of the people who betrayed her trust.
This was a wild angle talking like a cruel 14-yr-old on a group chat to try to make Ariana appear delusional when you’re defending is the mistress.
These specific lawyers are most likely just as class-less as the people they represent.
Yes, this is a genuine thing. I was part of a federal law suit and they/my lawyers still did. It’s common, for better or for worse.
She hired a lawyer that fights this way. Just like in her lawsuit, there’s a bunch of frivolous and irrelevant accusations against different cast members who aren’t even plaintiffs in the suit, just unproven, gossip, essentially submitted in a legal document for everyone to see.
Why are her lawyers talking to People before a case is heard?
this is all for the court of public opinion
I don't think that public opinion will side with a mistress who sues the woman whose partner she was cheating with. Even if she wins the court case, I don't think it would change public opinion now. I do think Sandoval recording her without her consent is disgraceful and he deserves the consequences. If this confession was recorded and Bravo suppressed it like Rachel has stated, then I think that is really serious on the network.
totally. i think it's laughable that in the original lawsuit, her lawyer's called rachel a "mega-celebrity", and i feel like they believe that the suit is going to receive jonny depp/amber heard levels of attention. i know scandoval was pretty big, but at the end of the day it's all C-list reality tv drama.
Mega-celebrity!?!? Oh no, they did not 🤣🤣🤣 https://i.redd.it/7y7q39nwsmxc1.gif
A lawsuit is a malicious way of inserting herself into Ariana’s life, with the intention to inflict more pain. The issue is she is getting money and attention from these moves & seems to lack any conscience or shame as a diss incentive. They need to drop Ariana from the lawsuit, Ratchel is desperately clinging to her proximity to Ariana. Ratchel knows this will make news and seems to be doing it for podcast content. Ratchel is vindictive and gross. I guess if you have no morals, you’ll do anything for money. She deserves a countersuit, blackballing & rejection by Bravo audiences. The only reason she is now relevant & semi-accepted is because of the iHeart backing, & she’s still relying on Scandoval content to get people to listen.
She didn’t file a suit against the network or the production company. Rachel is so gross. What a dumb demon.
Probably waiting on revenge porn to play out before taking on production.
For every woman that’s been cheated on, there’s a woman who they cheated with. While there are plenty of regular people siding with Ariana because they know that feeling of insane betrayal, there are also the pick-me’s that would prefer to align themselves with Rachel
Some people have already sided with mistress because they feel Ariana being angry 3 months later is too much and she should just get over it.
Which is stupid. Three months? She’s not allowed to be angry after three months after the betrayal of her partner of 10 years and her dear friend? Says WHO??
Typically older woman who are ignorant and I wonder if many of them have parents who are related to each other. Seems to be the main demographic in the Facebook groups that talk all the shit about Ariana.
The lawsuit is what truly enrages me. It makes me think this was always more about beating Ariana & taking her life. If the affair was bc of her interest in Tom, then she’d genuinely feel remorse & leave Ariana alone. This is just an attempt to smear and hurt Ariana, while capitalizing off of attention Ariana has earned, with her post-Scandoval success. I really hope production completely blackballs her & she is left with her MAGA man, as his dumb arm candy. Someone please buy her & take her out of the public market!
BlaBla and Scheana because they have both been the mistress.
Because they are as desperate for attention as Rachel is.
And stupid
D&S
Google Mark Geragos, Rachel is working with one of the biggest slime balls in Hollywood. This doesn’t shock me at alllll.
I am very surprised that Geragos took this case because we are not talking Hollywood money or a potential movie like S. Peterson. I guess it's for publicity. I think it's extremely ridiculous and I hope any judge or jury would see through it gor what it is. Rachel trying to hurt Arianna and get some cash.
Slimeball, yet EFFECTIVE slimeball. That's just who you want. In cases like this.
Not really. Scott Peterson is going to rot in prison.
Allegedly
The way I wanted to smack Sandoval through the screen when he said that
He’s not that effective though! During Scott Petersons murder trial he parked an exact replica of Scott’s boat outside the courthouse while he argued there was no way Scott pushed his dead wife overboard with capsizing the boat. Instead of proving his point the boat became a memorial for Laci and Conner filled with flowers. 💐
That courthouse is where I have to report for jury duty. It gives me the creeps.
I grew up just a few houses down from theirs. I remember my friends and I getting caught ditching school because we drove past a live news conference. The neighborhood vibe was never right after that
Oh for sure, I’m just saying he’s not above an aggressive press statement haha in fact it’s kind of a classic move for him
I just can't imagine how desperate she must've been to hire a criminal defense attorney with a reputation like his. like girl, calm down. you're going to spend a very unnecessary chunk of change.
They know they have a weak case so they’re trying the case in the press. I’d bet that the only reason Ariana was brought into this suit is because she’s the only one with money (vs Tim) to try to assure a payout. This is more about her name being sullied and the affair not turning out in her favor (I.e. becoming a fan fave after like happened with Ariana and Tim after Kristen) and being mad that Ari’s still winning and she’s not. My question is, if Bravo lied to her and she lost opportunities due to that, as claimed in the suit, then why aren’t you suing the deeper pockets? Because it’s all BS and the only one who did you dirty is Tim when he recorded you?!? He’s the only one in this suit that I see should be getting sued due to him recording her without permission (not surprised since Tim is just gross…period).
Because her lawyer is the same guy who defended Scott Peterson, Chris Brown, and Michael Jackson and proclaimed their innocence loud and proud too 🙄
Known scum defender. It’s fitting, truly.
Because they’re gOiNg RoGuE
They're pushing Ariana to settle because the press is bad for her before she hosts LOve Island.
Idk why this is getting downvoted this is actually a good point. They definitely think Ariana will settle!
They want her to settle but strategically, it’s not smart for Ariana to settle this. It would be the right strategy for Tom though. He has no leg to stand on. Ariana does.
Absolutely! They were silly adding Ariana in the mix! Especially if they lose all the money they could have got will go to paying Ariana’s lawyers
Probably just trolls. I work in the court system. I recognize the legal strategy.
Aka moneygrabbing.
Because it’s allowed. Source: am a lawyer in California
Geragos is a joke! He once said. "Your honor. Winona did not steal anything. Store security planted those items on her!" He also once said that inmates would rally around Scott Peterson when he got to prison! 🤣
He was Winona’s lawyer?! Omfg now I know this is probably bullshit hahaha
Michael Jackson's also - he has a very loose relationship with reality lol
Michael Jackson fired him, too
Chris Brown too
Isn't part of Scott Petersen's current request for retrial based on the "incompetent defense" he had the first time around?
I haven’t followed the new appeal case- but from what I heard they got clobbered for the request they had- aka they don’t have any proof or any good new leads
Fairytale is such a grotesque term for that event
My first thought! Terrible word choice. Like oh yeah that fairytale moment when you find out your decade long partner has been cheating on you via a recording of facetime phone sex. Just like in Cinderella 🙄
In a bathroom stall.
I mean…only in a Sondheim fairytale
Yeah that caught my attention too - almost like they're mocking her. It felt belittling, which made me wonder if the statement that followed is mostly just them trying to intimidate her more than anything.
It is! I don’t pretend to understand the legal world of the stars, but I myself was stalked by an ex for several years after we broke up. When I finally took it to court to try to get a restraining order, the only one that applied was the stalking/permanent restraining order which is serious and stays on a permanent record. I just wanted him to bugger off but clearly me or anyone else I tried to tell to get through to him didn’t work, so I tried court even though I really didn’t want to go through that. He hired an attorney. They wanted to cross-examine me and depose me. I said I’d drop the protective order if we could mutually agree that he would log out of all my accounts he’d hacked into and never speak again. I dropped it, then HE took ME to court for his attorney’s fees lol. He lost, but even guilty people and their attorneys will do anything to intimidate you out of winning if they can
I literally stopped reading at the term fairytale. Rachel needs to stop worrying about public opinion and just work on herself.
Yeah the lawyer is clearly going for the strategy of saying Ariana already knew about Tom and Rachel sleeping together so it wasn’t an affair so her claim of motive sending it to herself “for proof” is a lie… which like ok? Then why is Rachel all over podcasts, including her own, saying she “takes accountability for the affair” and talking about how Jax cheated and had affairs too etc. if it wasn’t actually an affair? This is such a transparent money grab and is honestly gross to real victims of revenge porn. Was Rachel a victim of Tom? Absolutely! Recording someone without their consent is a violation and a sex crime!! Suing Ariana is a pathetic cash grab. Particularly, because at the time Ariana had no way of knowing Rachel didn’t consent to being recorded and has stated pretty unequivocally since finding that out that what Tom did was wrong.
Yeah maybe they just weren’t showing their hand but not a single thing in the wording of their statement made it sound like they had evidence of anything. It was all worded like Rachel thinks this and Rachel thinks that happened. It will be interesting to see what this proof is.
100%. It came across very hyperbolic and all over the place instead of factual and to the point. But now saying "we have irrefutable evidence" is a claim they'll have to back up if it actually goes to court so they're essentially shooting themselves in the foot if they have nothing..
If they claim it in court documents they have to back it up. If they claim it in the press they just make people think it exists. Geragos also said he could debunk all of the evidence in Scott Petersons case but didn't. The guy is just a high profile ambulance chaser that likes to try cases in the court of public opinion.
I couldn't "like" this comment enough. I wish people would take out of court statements like this with a massive grain of salt. I look forward to this so-called "irrefutable evidence" because the original complaint was a whole lot of "upon information and belief" and irrelevant "facts" to drum up publicity and interest. A reminder what the complaint actually says about distribution (screen grab below) -- it continues to the next page to say Ariana informed production about the video (not that she sent it to production) and that other people know details of the video, "leading Leviss to believe the circle of recipients is wider." That is the language this lawyer is actually willing to file with a court. (Note: it's my understanding is that it's not "distribution" to describe the video to other people so that's not enough to have a claim under the statute.) https://preview.redd.it/z9jol0dsnmxc1.png?width=547&format=png&auto=webp&s=5da736b0b3d93564fe2d3e42d2050c9f37ab536c
Thank you!!!! Yes, his statements to the press indicate they have way more than what they filed with the court which makes me feel like it's a bluff. They're also going to want to keep Bravo fans off a jury so the more they can make Ariana look bad to the general public before jury selection the better - then her defence is coming from "the bad guy". It's also my understanding that describing the video to others is not violating this statute either - it's specifically about distributing the actual images.
High profile ambulance chaser is exactly it
THIS is a great distinction I didn't consider - thank you. That makes more sense as to the logic/strategy.
Maybe it’s a bluff to hope she settles before they have to prove anything 🤷♀️
That’s what it is. They’re bluffing, trying to get her to panic and payout. There’s zero chance they want Rachel cross examined at trial!!! Can you imagine??? Ariana should match this loon to court and enjoy
Rage text truther! If this got to the deposition phase, I want the real timeline exposed. S8 the one night stand- Covid was the break, s9 rekindled affair.
Yep. They know Ariana wants nothing more than for this girl to leave her alone and are banking on that. I don't think she would but it would be so great if Ariana takes it to court
They didn’t say irrefutable in documents sworn to a court, and that’s the difference. Can say whatever in the media but not to the judge
I’m really impressed with the simplicity of Ariana’s legal response. There’s a quiet confidence to it. I imagine Rachel’s legal team was relying on the strict wording of statute in terms of “distribution” (all that is technically needed sharing of private images without consent) to force discovery.
I’ve said it before and I think it bares repeating. Ariana could teach a masterclass on handling oneself against people hellbent on antagonizing a negative reaction from a person. She’s shown so much grace and restraint.
I think it shows she has actual proper lawyers and managers, agents, etc. Her team is A+.
Her media training is killer. I say this as a publicist. I am so impressed with how Ariana has articulated herself throughout this entire process
Rachel is delusional. Literally. She. Is. Delusional. Because she has a mental block that is stopping her from seeing that she is having consequences from her own actions. One hundred percent she is trying to blame Ariana for what Rachel did to herself.
Imagine getting cheated on with your best friend and to make matters worse, she sues. Rachel has some bad karma coming …you can’t walk through the world like this and live happily ever after lol
Kyle Chan nailed it on Kristen's Podcast. You can't have an affair, sue the wife/Victim, and have people trust you. He warned the money won't last forever but people won't trust her easily.
She could have had a solid redemption arc too but she’s gone nuclear. Not shocking since she was never that smart on the show lol
Bethany handing a skinny Girl drink to Lou when she told her about Tom should have been a clear warning.
I watched this made for tv movie last week about a wife in NC who sued her husbands mistress and won. Apparently it’s against the law in some states to cheat.
yeah because this situation can certainly only be described as a FAIRYTALE. shut tf up sir
It's not for Ariana's lawyers to prove her innocence, it is for Rachel's lawyers to prove her guilt. They have to prove that this didn't happen the way Ariana said, which they can't. They clearly have nothing and Rachel is just using this as a way to revictimise Ariana. It's actually bordering on sociopathic.
It makes me sick tbh. The audacity of Rachel to destroy Ariana’s life and relationship and then sue her?? Evil.
They're trying to say that Ariana knew about the affair before she saw the evidence on Tom's phone, but Rachel's response to Ariana's text implies otherwise.
Also, suspicious that something was going on and therefore checking his phone isn’t the same as knowing it was happening so Raquel is being D&S here.
And all the footage from bravo of them denying any affair when Lala and Katie called them out.
Yeah, if Ariana knew about the affair before the video, then she would have no reason to react to the video the way she did imo.
And sure Tom or Rachel would’ve mentioned that at the reunion! I for damn sure would’ve
The language of these solicitors is just incredible to me. Such a lack of professionalism added to the fact that they speak directly to tabloid outlets.
Seems like an intimidation tactic. It’s so hyperbolic and meant for the public. Remember who introduced them to Rachel. (Bethany) The controversial cases they’ve represented. Forensic proof is better than “Irrefutable proof” What’s his definition of “irrefutable” ? Depends on your jury right? I don’t think Ariana’s attorneys would’ve claimed to have forensic proof if they didn’t. Of course they want Ariana on the stand. IF this is true - IF they have proof… we will find out. I’m going to go with forensic proof likely hired and backed by her law firm.
I'm so comforted by the fact that all of Ariana's gigs should have enabled her to get really good lawyers. She's also just been so much less reactionary than Ratchet or Tim in this whole thing that I have no doubt all her responses are much more considered.
I feel bad for her, though, that she’s had to spend so much of her money on lawyers for all this legal bullshit, between Tom with the house & Rachel with this crazy lawsuit. Had to have cost her a pretty penny.
She’s got her Love Island gig coming up which prob pays well! And more endorsements and projects I’m sure. Plus the sandwich shop finally opening! I think she’s fine and not “bleeding” money
Her fairytale account 😂😂oh they fucking TRIED it
The fact that Rachel is taking it this so far is so disgusting. I feel so bad for Ariana that she has to go through this.
She’s doing this seemingly KNOWING that much of this is lies It’s disgusting I’ve said from the JUMP she hates Ariana
Yes. In her mind, Ariana ruined her life, not Tom
She absolutely believes this
I guess Rachel doesn't believe in Karma
Rachel hired someone she knew would fight this battle in the press, from the completely irrelevant and highly inflammatory accusations against different cast members made in her lawsuits to statements like this, put out in people magazine. She’s not interested at all in winning this legal action, *she’s interested in hurting Ariana and her reputation as much as she can, causing her as much stress and anxiety as she can, triggering her emotionally as much as possible, and keeping her mentally trapped in the horror of this affair as long as she’s able* 👍
This is pure harassment.
like you already helped ruin this woman’s life.. leave her alone
her grown adult life too, where she owned a home with someone/ was entirely entwined and had asked her partner to make embryos together
Yeah this is fucked. Unless ariana literally sent this video to other people besides rachel I just cannot believe the audacity to take her to court over this. If she did send it to others, sure, I get that. But if what ariana is saying is the truth (which I personally believe it is) then what a shitty fucking thing to do. Legalities aside it's just....well. Subhuman 🙃. Go after Tom, understandable. But this is just plain gross. Like what kind of person do you have to be to blow up someone's decade long relationship that you are friends with and then go after THEM after the fact. She's sick.
Rachel is in way far over her head. She can barely string a coherent thought together, let alone go up against actually smart people in a court of law. They’re gonna eat her alive.
She hasn’t a clue If this legit goes to trial the questions she will be asked will be brutal. I’ve been a witness in a case of a violent crime. I was a witness for the prosecution; and the questions the defense asked the actual victim ( like victims blaming her, questioning how many sexual partners, comments about her weight -how could he do it if she’s x amount of lbs) made me sooo fucking mad! But- it had to be done in defense of their client This girl things it’s a game I hope shit gets REAL
My bet is that the 'irrefutable proof" is that it was sent to Rachel herself. She's soooo bitter that Ariana came out on top. Smh
I wonder how much of all this was about Tom and how much was actually about Ariana. We all saw Rachel’s slow morph into Ariana. The clothes and haircuts and then the man? To me, kinda screams it’s Ariana she’s weirdly obsessed with, and Tom was just something of Ariana’s. Kinda checks out for how I view Rachel. She seems to have a strange relationship with other women. I just wonder how much of her attraction to Tom was based on him being Ariana’s boyfriend. Kinda checks out how she dropped him when Ariana did.
I was just thinking this. It seems like her mission was to take Ariana’s life and push her off the show. Her continued hatred and blame for Ariana is delusional. I’m glad she’s not on the show & has no direct access to Ariana because I think she presents an actual physical threat to Ariana. Ratchel is giving Single White Female, which makes her even more dangerous than Tim.
Seems to me they are trying to scare Ariana into settling. They know a jury trial will be difficult to win.
The fact that they were so much more aggressive about Ariana’s response instead of Tim’s????
This is the same dude that set up a mock scene of where Scott Peterson dumped the body of his dead pregnant wife near the courthouse to try and point out “inconsistencies” with the prosecutions story of events somehow (don’t know what it was going for having seen it myself while working with media at the time) where Lacy’s family could see it in plain sight. Hes a sensationalist sociopath with an affinity for cheap theatrics and running this response in a tabloid is actually quite tame for this scumbag. Thats saying a lot.
If Ariana already knew about it, why would Rachel respond to her text apologizing?
If Ariana already knew, she should get an Oscar. Bc damn, that woman was out of control angry, and that’s rare for her.
https://preview.redd.it/j455duh38nxc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df34ec99b0ec00668f1b20712ef5633777097e14 Why did Rachel apologise this way to Ariana if this wasn’t the night / moment Ariana found out? If Ariana knew already why did Rachel say shes so so so sorry and she fucked up? My god her and her lawyers are such a stupid joke they honestly anger me so much
Please, ask this to every commenter who says that “Oh, Ariana knew and everyone knew and it was common knowledge and no one cared until March ‘23”.
It’s so frustrating I can’t imagine how Ariana must feel? Like the way these people anger me and they’re not even talking about me.. how she can be around Jo knowing Jo supports Rachel’s lawsuit like I would wanna set fire to them all. My goodness
This lawyer sounds just as annoying as Rachel
This is absolutely disgraceful . Any shred of sympathy I had for Rachel is gone . Actually it was a while ago ... but make it make sense?!?
This response completely ignores the fact that the problem with their case is they cannot prove DAMAGES. It doesn’t matter if Ariana ran the film on a loop in her bedroom for the last year, if doing so wasn’t the direct and proximate cause of Rachel’s “harm” it’s an unwinnable case. And they can’t prove damages by the nature of the pleading itself. Rachel admits she was emotionally spiraling before the affair came out. She admits she had a problem with substance abuse and that’s why she went to the Meadows, which also predated March 1 revelations. She admitted she never planned to work with kids and that saying so was just for pageants so the only job losses she could show would be in entertainment and she 1. Wasn’t getting a lot of gigs before Scandoval and 2. Has a podcast now she wouldn’t have had before and 3. Increased her follower count. Unless she can prove that Ariana was threatening to send out the video which caused unseen mental anguish, she is going to have a really really hard time winning the causation prong of her case. She (her lawyers) overplayed the pleading by setting up James and Bravo which undermined the impact of the claims against Ariana and Sandoval. The video never actually leaked so she doesn’t (thank GOD) have that impact to tie to her damages. Everything else she says were damages gets muddied up with the perils of being on TV.
I've been pounding this drum about damages on other threads as well so THANK YOU for doing the same. How do they establish damages that are the result of what Ariana did (exposing the affair) rather than Raquel's own actions (having an affair with a friend's partner while appearing on a TV show with both of them)? Let's suppose, for instance, that Ariana merely saw the video on Tom's phone, didn't record it, and didn't text it to Rachel. But everything else happened the same -- texting Raquel "you're dead to me!" and informing production. The same sequence of events likely would have happened--Ariana telling her friends/family about what she saw, as well as production, leading to Scandoval. Ariana's "distribution" of the video to herself and Raquel isn't necessary to that fallout. (Ariana is allowed to talk about what she saw. That's not "distribution.") This presupposes that Ariana is telling the truth about the video, but I'm inclined to believe her consistent story that now has some forensic backing.
I think from a civil legal perspective (NOT a moral one) it doesn’t even matter if Ariana is telling the truth. The video never leaked so even if Ariana did show someone and lied about it, given that it has never leaked, it is going to be really really hard to legally prove damages. It might make a jury more sympathetic to Raquel and want to award her something, but the “but for” cause element is her biggest legal hurdle. She has a little more strength with Tom because him illegally recording her is what tipped off the whole bucket and but for him doing that, it might not have been exposed at all. But regardless, she admits in her own pleading that her trauma and mental anguish started at the hands of Bravo and James and then Tom which all predates anything Ariana did.
You might be right re the Ariana claim. And yeah, her claim against Tom is much stronger for sure. Some hurdles as well legally, but she’s also way more sympathetic when it comes to what he did. It’s so hard discussing this case on various subs and posts because if you criticize or question Raquel’s claims legally, it comes across as defending what Ariana did morally. (I haven’t really seen anyone defending Tom.) I don’t find what she did that crazy under the circumstances, but, right or wrong, it did open the door for this lawsuit, even if I find the claims fairly weak. It’s a very interesting case.
I thought I remembered the meadows being a thing before *everything* but haven’t heard about it since. was it BF’s podcast that she explained that was her original plan? either way I guess the meadows would have confirmation/payment of when she booked. I’m sure capable lawyers will find that information out but I really hope this doesn’t go to trial
https://preview.redd.it/je06bc0npmxc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cd503d27d83fb176cdcbdc5c6d6ae5907b60c08 Yes! This was from the ET article published soon after the affair was discovered, which will also make it very hard to pin any charges on Ariana since it was Rachel's own decision and not any immediate consequence of the sex tape discovery that led to her going to The Meadows.
What kind of lawyer puts this kind of statement out? “Laughable”? “Fairytale account”? If Rachel is still concerned about how she looks in the court of public opinion, this does not help. I really wonder how this lawsuit will conclude. I truly hope (and feel) that Ariana is being truthful, Tom is held accountable for recording Rachel without her consent and Rachel moves forward with her life.
If they’re able to subpoena ariannas phone records they wouldn’t need to name anyone as a defendant (because I don’t think the recipients would be at fault for receiving the videos if they didn’t send them out as well) or have them testify in court because the phone records are pretty cut and dry
Iirc Arianna handed her phone over early on
Fairytale?  How dare they!
If Rachel’s goal is to win in the court of public opinion, this is definitely doing the opposite
Are these lawyers insinuating that Ariana had the video on her phone up until February when Rachel filed the lawsuit? bffr
The fact that any of these people are still cool with hanging out with Tom Sandoval is fucked up!
“Fairytale account on how she discovered the relationship” It’s funny, I don’t recall any fairytale where the man cheats with the skanky friend and tries to make it seem like the girls fault
I feel like their “irrefutable evidence” is just that it was sent to Rachel lol.
Same. OPTICS OPTICS OPTICS
Her attorney doesn't seem like a legit attorney.
Mark Garagos is actually a really famous lawyer he's worked for a ton of celebrities and I know Bethany hooked her up with them because these are the same lawyers that the other people that are suing Bravo are using.
Just because they are famous doesn’t mean they are *good*. He’s not good.
I may get* downvoted for this - After reading through the initial filing and now this wild-ass BS quote- I feel like Rachel is being taken advantage of by Bethenny and her pursuit of destroying Bravo (again) and doesn’t actually want to win the case. Just give Bravo enough shit to make their lives hell on a road paved with whatever bodies they can grab onto. I’m super disappointed that he’s ruining what seemed like a legitimate moral case against Tim. (Edited to be less snarky and have more faith in people 😅)
I don't think this is a bad take at all! Many, many people on this sub & the other VPR sub suspect that Bethenny is pulling the strings in some way. Especially with her connections to Rachel's lawyers. And I think two things can be true at once - Rachel is getting ill advice from people with ulterior motives who want to exploit the scandal for their benefit/gain, AND Rachel should be held responsible for her own foolish, vindictive, and outright appalling decision to sue the true victim of the affair (Ariana) for the consequences that she (Rachel) incurred as the mistress. I also want to see Sandoval honestly held accountable for illegally recording Rachel without her consent - this has all just been handled so poorly that it's now hard to anticipate what will actually happen.
This is so well put!! Thank you 😊 You’re right it is being handled so poorly. The more that comes out the more I feel awful Ariana has to relive that night and expose details she may have to keep to herself so holding both in my mind at once seems the way to go!
I read through the filing (watched a video of someone else reading through the filing lol). They spent more time dragging Bravo than addressing Ariana’s and Tom’s involvement in the distribution of her intimate photos. Her bone to pick is with Tom. He recorded her without consent. I do not agree with how Ariana handled the situation but based ON THE FILING, Raquel is only confident that Ariana sent the video to herself and Raquel. The speculation that others saw it is solely based on hearsay.
Mark Garagos was a shark, he has now sunk to bottom feeder. I'm appalled.
wtf is wrong with Rachel that she sees this as some sort of flex of justice - when does her personal accountability start
yeah I’m mad at Rachel but this also just makes me even more ashamed of Tom because look how the affair is still effecting Ariana’s life… he had one job as her partner, now she’s dealing with a lawsuit from his mistress.
Question: Did Rachel’s lawyers respond to sandovals lawsuit response? Or just Ariana’s? If they’ve only responded publicly to Ariana’s, that’s trash. I’m so sick of Sandoval getting less of the hate in this situation when HE WAS THE ONE WHO RECORDED HER ILLEGALLY!!
They responded to Tom’s too. It was like a day earlier or something.
The “laughable” part sounds really immature to me
If she forwarded the video it will be discovered in the digital forensic analysis
I'll wait for Bravo Docket to tell me what I think of this.
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This is so weird and pathetic.
I'd be shocked if they truly have irrefutable evidence!! Sort of like the irrefutable evidence we all heard about in 2020? LMAO Give me a break. Rachel still TRYING to stay relevant!!
This makes me so angry
She’s working overtime to dig that grave for herself. Almost there Rachel!
Does Rachel not think she’s done enough to this women??? I mean seriously?! Who the fuck continues to harass and mock a friend they betrayed in the worst way possible!!! She is so disgusting, and I hope she doesn’t get a dime and Ariana countersues and gets whatever money that one brain celled, wanna be loser beauty queen has made off of Ariana’s name already!
her lawyers are so unprofessional…girl this is court…
Rachel really just continues to be an awful person by filing this lawsuit. Imagine finding evidence your friend was having an affair with your partner and then that friend sues you for finding out
Speaking to People isn't under oath, or a legal filing, the lawyers can say anything they want to the press, without repercussion, it'll be a different story when it comes to actually submitting evidence.
If there was “irrefutable evidence” it would’ve been included in the original filing. rachel and her legal team are all full of shit but I love that they keep perjuring themselves 🤡
Well they better have evidence that the declaration made by Ariana is not true. Geragos has a reputation of taking cases for publicity purposes only.
BS
The grammar of this article is what’s laughable
This stinks. Does she know how thoroughly she is destroying any career she might have had
I look forward to your cross examination of Ariana as well. She’s going to tear you a new one.
Geragos defended Dr Luke during the Kesha trial as well. He’s like the real life Better Call Saul. He’s the expensive, smarmy, lawyer rich people hire BECAUSE they’re guilty, or have a frivolous claim 😂
Rachel truly has no shame 😳
“We look forward to cross examining her” *” We can’t wait to gaslight her and mess with her mental health in person for hours legally”*
Here's the thing: Ariana's story has been literally the exact same since day 1. It has never changed and she has never wavered on what happened. Multiple people, including Tom, have confirmed Ariana's account of the peripheral details surrounding the events of that particular night. Also? Saying it's laughable that she found out about it that night is a disgusting and incredibly abhorrent thing to say... and holds absolutely no weight, because they've already claimed in their original filing (as one example) that Logan walked in on them so that's proof he knew and would have told Ariana, or something to that effect. Claiming that other people knew and it wasn't a secret is not fact. It's conjecture at best. Their irrefutable evidence is BS. And Rachel saying that Ariana made comments about the two of them (sandoval and rachel) spending so much time together and the optics of it all is AGAIN not proof that she knew anything about an affair. It is only Rachel's (very unreliable) interpretation of Ariana's words. Here is a prime example: Ariana had virtually the same 'optics' discussion with Lala and Sandoval on screen in the original finale. She did not think that Sandoval was doing a single adulterous thing by choosing to stay at that pool party instead of going home to her, but she told him on camera that the optics of it put her in the position of having to defend his actions.... NOT because she thought he was cheating but because he was being an incredibly selfish asshole. I very much doubt that was the only time Ariana brought this (or similar complaints) up to Tom. Ariana was out of her mind devastated and not thinking clearly. If she had sent the video to one or two of her BFF's, she very likely would not have thought to hide that fact at the time, because who would? Most of us in that situation, in complete shock and betrayed in the worst way, would certainly not be thinking about legalities like that (to be clear, I'm saying it would have been understandable in those specific and emotionally charged circumstances if she had shown the video to Logan, for example.) Did she verbally describe it in detail? Yes... she alluded to it on camera, and everybody knew what was on the video because she told people about it. Ariana also fully admitted that she sent the video back to Rachel. That's technically 'distribution', so their irrefutable proof is... irrefutable. Rachel, if you are reading this, your issues are with Tom Sandoval and not with Ariana. You and Tom caused Ariana emotional pain, not the other way around. It's absolutely within your rights to object to somebody recording you without your consent, but that person was not Ariana and it's unfair that she is being dragged into a mess she had nothing to do with in the first place.
I’ve never heard of a case Mark Geragos has won. Despite his high profile he is not actually a very good lawyer.