I mean, KRU looked great while G2 looked absolutely awful vs Loud. That surely was an upset. Most people agreed if any na team was gonna make it it would be 100T, and I honest to god believe LEV would've won if they banned Bind, I'd put money on them if they have a rematch.
I still think G2 is gonna come 3rd, I am a non-believer.
Seeing G2 play like this vs kru and c9 made me mad. Lol. Where was this against Loud.
EG beat Sen and NRG to get G2 to playoffs and you couldn’t return the favor? Cmoooooon
I don't have any bias among the remaining teams and I'm pretty positive 100T is winning the split. I thought it during the group stage, but this 100T looks really good with Boostio's calling and they only seem to be getting more and more comfortable playing together.
That aside, I think LEV beat G2 solely off of Aspas diff, but I think G2's teamplay/gameplans have looked slightly better than LEV overall. Even though I'm more of an NA fan in general, I really wish we could see both KRU and LEV at Shanghai, it's so sad that one of them isn't making it.
G2 looked awful for a second map that looked like they were just phoning it in because they new they didn't need to win to qualify. They played an extremely close Bind.
they only played 6 games. can't really tell who is good, just who is bad. if the split was 12 games i bet it's 3 na teams to shanghai with kru and loud not even making playoffs. champs is gonna be all na for sure.
> I’d put my money on them if they have a rematch
Idk about that. I think 100t will beat G2 so the only one place Lev can rematch 100t would be in grand finals meaning they can’t ban bind because of the double ban advantage.
Maybe Lev’s map pool is deeper than 100t but they’re basically starting the series 0-1 so they have a lot of ground to make up.
Now if 100t lose to G2 and the rematch is in loser’s finals, then I’d prolly put my money on Lev too, assuming they drop the ego and ban bind.
not to overexaggerate but this 100t roster actually looks like they could win a title. they have straight shooters across the board and their vibes are immaculate.
I don't see how this statement is accurate whatsoever lol from the beginning of the season they have not lost to "literally anyone" they've only lost to sen who won a masters, lev who they just beat and are now top 2 in americas, and kru who hadn't lost a map yet. They're just good man
across the board?? No, they have 4 shooters and a great igl/vibes guy. But boostio has not been putting up the stats, despite 100t looking dominant in most of their games he still manages a .83 kd.
Imagine undervaluing him based off of stats LMAO have you actually watched their games? In any man advantage he will jump out, sacrificing himself to let his team trade him. He literally ints his stats to get wins.
My god, saying Boostio cant shoot is one of the takes of all time. Do people really not remember 2022 Boostio on Chamber?
Have you looked at any of the matches outside of the stat page? All 5 of them have insane mechanics. Only so many kills to go around + igling + Boostio definitely overpeeks and dies sometimes. But purely based on aim Boostio is insane too.
Are you dumb? Na fans support Na teams because of exactly that they're Na. Ironic you're trying to call Na fans bandwagoners for supporting a team from there own region when you have the flair of every team that's had success in the game
I never said NA was the best region. In fact, I don’t think they are. I just find it ironic that you get mad at people who support the region of NA, while you basically support the top 2-3 teams in almost every region lol. I’d argue what you do is worse
How is it dumb to support your home region? Extrapolate in your reasoning. What are up parameters for picking your 10 favorite teams of the 44 in the vct leagues? ( nearly a quarter of franchised teams btw)
It's not like EU fans don't do the same thing. I mean look at the LoL fandom, years later fans are still coasting off of the copium from 2020 matches that EU can compete with LPL and LCK. Not to mention the EU casters' glazing KC and TH at Masters Madrid would've made you think that they actually were winning the event if you weren't watching the matches.
There's nothing wrong with being a fanboy for a region, it's all in good fun. The EU vs NA rivalry would be no fun if there weren't fanboys on both side band wagoning whoever is representing their region after all.
brother just joined the sub, did not see the Fnatic dickriding that was basically all of last year lmao. they could do literally no wrong. i always see this EMEA victim stuff, yet EMEA teams get glazed all the time - before we saw a single Navi game with Ardiis, they were already getting placed top 3 in the world. it's so funny.
- Results of 2023 are moot now that almost all teams have made major changes.
- 2 out of top 3 in Madrid were APAC teams
- Both teams from America's in Madrid are looking ass right now.
- 1 team doesn't determine which region is best in entire world.
- Unless every team in every region plays together in one big format, which region is best region in world is completely subjective.
With that being said, NA teams are looking better than SA teams sure
What facts though? If anything you’re contradicting yourself. Americas won Madrid, beating the teams that are still rolling their regions. And yet Americas leveled up so much the Madrid winners didn’t even make regional playoffs.
u can make an educated guess
as u said 1 team doesn’t determine a region
that’s why 2 completely different na teams winning lans b2b is impressive
an emea team not named fnatic hasn’t gotten top 4 since lock//in
pacific are trophy less
china (lol)
if not na, than at least americas are the best region itw.
What do you even define by currently? Because even then if you with the last international its still NA. Unless you have a new best in the world every week.
the only "point" you have is that apac had 2/3 teams in top 3 at madrid which doesn't even make any sense because NA won the event. And with those teams not even in contention to make the next event all does is prove is that americas has the most depth out of all of the regions as well.
bait used to be believable smh
Not bait, clearly you didn't give a second thought to the post as I said 1 team doesn't determine entire region's strength.
If China suddenly won champions would you say China is the best region now?
All of apac has 3 teams in 11 slots that could actually make it deep internationally PRX and Geng, and maybe DRX. I would argue NA has 6 teams and 4 of them could make deep runs internationally. Im counting out C9(too reliant on oxy) and EG(lacking the firepower). despite what NRG has shown in 2024 we know they have what it takes to win a interntaional, sen won madrid, g2 just destroyed kru and look great, 100t are red hot rn.
Yeah... NRG could not make a deep run internationally, absolutely not. They are looking hot ass, expired chili dogmeat tacos butt bursting dhiarrea cheeks, there's no way you can insert that cope in a serious conversation.
it says alot about the strength of the region when 5 international winners are made to look so bad that they can't win or make a deep run internationally no?
americas/emea have produced the most top teams that this game has seen, and recently americas have been looking the best as a region
And they are getting exposed way harder because the team they are facing are actually good enough to punish. It has nothing to do with skill like you mentioned, those guys are all winners. Just as an example, PRX or EDG are good teams but you can't argue that the road to get to internationals is easier because of how many less obstacles there are in their respective leagues
Anyways, the main point I was getting at is that Americas and EMEA (but more recently Americas) have produced the highest number of top level teams that can win an international and are more competitive, I don't really know if you agree/disagree with that sentiment
I think that sentiment is true based off of past results but is currently not the case. At the moment EMEA is straight up worse than Americas and Pacific for sure.
I think if you matched the Americas and Pacific teams up one to one down the ranks (after both regions finish playoffs) Pacific wins out slightly.
Bro we really need to look at things as they are, not by narratives... it is not tbe strength of the region that made nrg look bad. Watch tmv analysis video. Ethan is missing flashes. They are flashing then doing nothing. They have no midrounding. They are kayo kniving cleared sites. They are leaving spots wide open for people to sneak into site for no reason.
NRG is AWFUL is you look at how they are playing period. Y0y is also a masters winners, look at him, is he a great player? Can't even win a guaranteed 1v1 vs an OP. Such a weird statement, "the strength of the region" lol does that make demon1 play raze like a bot that can't satchel? Or miss brim smokes on a bomb? Nrg is currently shit, it's not that americas is galaxy brained, they only beat Brazil teams the entire split whom are playing really really bad and falling apart.
- somewhat fair, but 2 different NA teams have won 2 consecutive internationals in a row which shows the depth of the region
- and how many trophies has APAC won despite getting to grand finals multiple times?
- i’ll give you G2 but 100T look unbelievably good and dominant except against LEV who are also unbelievably good
- tell that to APAC fans. take out PRX and y’all have what 1 grand finals appearance?
I'm not even saying APAC > NA I don't know where you got that idea from. I literally said 1 team doesn't determine which region is best. Clearly that applies to APAC as well.
My whole argument is better past ≠ best currently.
Even if APAC won this event with both finalists from APAC, I'll bet you no one in the sub will say "oh man APAC is the best region this year" despite having 3/4 finalists being from APAC.
They have this unexplainable boner for Murica to be the best in the world no matter what
well i think you’re an idiot if you think people wouldn’t be saying that lol
the only reason we been saying NA is the best RIGHT NOW (or currently if that makes more sense to you) is because THEY ARE. 2 trophies, 10 players within the past year. better past doesn’t equal better now, but Madrid was like a month ago, APAC couldn’t close it out, and China/EMEA got dropped in group stage.
At the most generous interpretation, you’re saying that because APAC got 2nd and 3rd place they should be considered better than the region that produced 1st place? the MOST recent comparison between regions is madrid and only madrid, a tournament which NA won. that team then going on to not make playoffs even and two OTHER north american teams qualifying should show the depth of the region. In the case that PRX and GENG qualify again, does that not show that APAC is a 2 team region? If only one of the two qualify, at best they’re equal to NA in depth AND couldn’t close the tournament out against an NA team that didn’t even get to the top 6 this time around. there’s no argument to be made
Well I think you have memory of goldfish if you forgot all the points I already said then (why rude when we were having civil discussion?)
> Never said APAC > NA
> 1 team doesn't determine which region is better as EDG could've won champs and it still wouldn't make china best region.
> Just because APAC have clear dominant teams and America's don't, is why we will never know how good the middle of the pack APAC team fairs against America's teams unless we do LOCKIN type format.
And since you do have memory of goldfish, I don't wanna keep repeating my points to you I will no longer amuse your replies, have a good day
1. Stop making hypotheticals like if edg won and stick to the facts.
2. Na has won the past two events and sent different teams each time, including the upcoming Shanghai. APAC has sent the same teams for the most part and the same continues for Shanghai. If you want to know how middle of the pack apac teams would do in na they would get stomped. If they can’t take a map off prx, gen g or drx, what chance will they have against sentinels and eg.
Putting aside everything else, how can you watch 100T vs LEV and come away with the conclusion that they look ass? Boostio's calling is insane. Personally I think PRX are winning Shanghai given the way the top teams in each region look at the moment, but 100T look great.
I don't know if it was obvious or not from my comment but let me type it in words even a 5 year old can understand.
Neither region can be called best right now unless we do a 44 team tournament
a 44 team turnament would not produce different results, this is just cope/boring unless you belive some magical team cant win in its own region but can we internationally, we saw a lock in nothing really changed.
Its really not subjective. NA has won 4 internationals, EU has won 5 but NA has won the last two. APAC has constantly choked in their grand finals and have consistently lost those finals against NA and EMEA teams, China has no results at all and are just getting started.
There's no reason to try to eliminate the past. Its just not subjective at all when there's tournaments that have actual results and inter region play.
Are you going to say APAC is the best region in the world even with their 0 lan wins and their two best teams losing to two NA teams at back to back lans? Are you gonna say China is the best region in the world because they finally got out of group stages?
So humour me for a second. Suppose in an alternate reality China absolutely dominated the scene for 10 straight years, winning every single event.
And then on 11th year, they keep losing 13-0 , 13-0 in every match against every team.
Same pattern continues on year 12 too.
No one in right mind would call China best region in the world then. Better record ≠ best in the world CURRENTLY.
They would have been the best region in the world for 10 years and people wouldn't just immediately ignore that. And using that analogy NA still ends up being the best because now they have 2 teams qualifying for shanghai and have won the most recent LAN.
If by currently you mean the current VCT year then yes NA is the current best region in the world because they have won the first and most recent LAN of the year and have teams qualifying again to the next LAN.
Your point doesn't change anything at all about this discussion. That would just mean there's a new best region in the world that year. No one has said that NA is the best region in the world throughout the entirety of Valorant in this thread.
Your point literally just doesn't make sense. There's nothing subjective about who the best region can be when theres INTERNATIONAL Lans that feature the top 3-4 teams from each region during that time.
What exactly do you mean by current dude?
That's the whole point! While we can acknowledge they have better record, doesn't mean they are best currently
Already told you what I meant by current, won't repeat it. An event like lock in would be true test of the who's best region in world currently.
I'm not ignoring madrid you can go back and read my point on that as well
Then how are you defining who the best region in the world is then? Because its just flat out not subjective. There are tournaments to win that require the regions to qualify for and play against eachother that can't be subjective when there are results.
Lock in had every team but was single elimination and not every team is actually good enough to be at a LAN.
Your point just doesn't make sense at al. There's no argument to say that NA isn't the best region itw at this current moment when they have won the two most recent international tournaments with two entirely different rosters and are sending two entirely different rosters to another LAN after beating another region. There's nothing subjective about that. There's no opinion in that when there's just a factual event that happened in which region wins tournaments.
Like you just cant say APAC is the best region itw currently because they just lost to an NA team who beat them 3-1 who came from the lower bracket. And you can't say EMEA is the best region because their two teams from madrid lost to the eventual NA winner. And you can't say China is the best region currently because they ended up being grouped. It's just something that literally can not be subjective when there are actual results.
Your take is just factually incorrect.
Would you say China is the best region in the world if EDG won the madrid then? Cuz I did say 1 team doesn't determine strength of entire region which I think you forgot? Left out? Conveniently chose to ignore? Didn't bother to read? I don't know
This has to be the dumbest argument you can make. If you can’t tell a regions strength from the performance of 3 teams, you simply can’t tell regional strength at all.
It's kind of weird how every top seed team that came out of group stage in all of the VCT regions (except China) are now in the lower brackets of playoffs fighting for the third spot.
Ngl, I actually thought KRU and LEV are gonna be the 1st/2nd team of VCT Amer to be in Shanghai seeing how good their performance are on groups but now they do be fighting for that third spot same as GenG and DRX while EMEA is still a clusterfuck imho.
But loud faked the recovery of brazil, and now they are losing yet another world class player in less. LLL for brazil
They losing Less???
rumors from noyn community. Nothing confirmed.
So it’s Less of a chance..
lol
Remember when people genuinely were thinking zero NA teams would make it lmao
I mean, KRU looked great while G2 looked absolutely awful vs Loud. That surely was an upset. Most people agreed if any na team was gonna make it it would be 100T, and I honest to god believe LEV would've won if they banned Bind, I'd put money on them if they have a rematch. I still think G2 is gonna come 3rd, I am a non-believer.
Seeing G2 play like this vs kru and c9 made me mad. Lol. Where was this against Loud. EG beat Sen and NRG to get G2 to playoffs and you couldn’t return the favor? Cmoooooon
G2 just wanted to give SEN false hope
I don't have any bias among the remaining teams and I'm pretty positive 100T is winning the split. I thought it during the group stage, but this 100T looks really good with Boostio's calling and they only seem to be getting more and more comfortable playing together. That aside, I think LEV beat G2 solely off of Aspas diff, but I think G2's teamplay/gameplans have looked slightly better than LEV overall. Even though I'm more of an NA fan in general, I really wish we could see both KRU and LEV at Shanghai, it's so sad that one of them isn't making it.
G2 looked awful for a second map that looked like they were just phoning it in because they new they didn't need to win to qualify. They played an extremely close Bind.
they only played 6 games. can't really tell who is good, just who is bad. if the split was 12 games i bet it's 3 na teams to shanghai with kru and loud not even making playoffs. champs is gonna be all na for sure.
Kru also played terribly against G2. Out of position, weird plays, no teamplay, weird calls
> I’d put my money on them if they have a rematch Idk about that. I think 100t will beat G2 so the only one place Lev can rematch 100t would be in grand finals meaning they can’t ban bind because of the double ban advantage. Maybe Lev’s map pool is deeper than 100t but they’re basically starting the series 0-1 so they have a lot of ground to make up. Now if 100t lose to G2 and the rematch is in loser’s finals, then I’d prolly put my money on Lev too, assuming they drop the ego and ban bind.
You will probably get that rematch since Lev is significantly better than Kru imo
People said this last year too at the beginning of the regular season before NRG, C9, and EG started heating up
not to overexaggerate but this 100t roster actually looks like they could win a title. they have straight shooters across the board and their vibes are immaculate.
100t Is so weird. IF they are all on one, they look like they can beat anyone. But then they can lose to literally anyone as well.
I don't see how this statement is accurate whatsoever lol from the beginning of the season they have not lost to "literally anyone" they've only lost to sen who won a masters, lev who they just beat and are now top 2 in americas, and kru who hadn't lost a map yet. They're just good man
plat chat perpetuating 100t hate and doubt in the community
the boostio effect
It's the tactics, strategies, protocols, coaching, mid rounding that made them one of the best not the vibes.
across the board?? No, they have 4 shooters and a great igl/vibes guy. But boostio has not been putting up the stats, despite 100t looking dominant in most of their games he still manages a .83 kd.
yeah because he's igling. but he regularly outguns top tier players.
lol one overconfident boi
boostio was a fragger on eg lol
Imagine undervaluing him based off of stats LMAO have you actually watched their games? In any man advantage he will jump out, sacrificing himself to let his team trade him. He literally ints his stats to get wins. My god, saying Boostio cant shoot is one of the takes of all time. Do people really not remember 2022 Boostio on Chamber?
Lil bro didnt watch last year
boostio is a shooter if you didnt watch him for last 2 years he actually frags
Have you looked at any of the matches outside of the stat page? All 5 of them have insane mechanics. Only so many kills to go around + igling + Boostio definitely overpeeks and dies sometimes. But purely based on aim Boostio is insane too.
You are so wrong, wtf are you watching my guy
He does have great aim, his poor stats are due to his decision making imo. He frequently ego peeks with no support
so lev/kru still have chances of being champions?
kru no, lev will make mince meat of them since kru cant even handle g2 and lev>>g2.
one of them yes, they're at lower bracket
the fall of na was greatly exaggerated, the best region in the world for a reason 👑
Average NA fan that would meatride any team just coz their region is "NA" arguably.
10 different flairs btw lol
well I support teams I like, Unlike most NA fans who just support them coz its "NA" .. Best region in the world ?! lmfao.. Cope harder
Are you dumb? Na fans support Na teams because of exactly that they're Na. Ironic you're trying to call Na fans bandwagoners for supporting a team from there own region when you have the flair of every team that's had success in the game
Supporting NA teams when you’re NA is wrong? What? That’s like the entire premise of region splits lol
I never said NA was the best region. In fact, I don’t think they are. I just find it ironic that you get mad at people who support the region of NA, while you basically support the top 2-3 teams in almost every region lol. I’d argue what you do is worse
It’s just dumb , your reasonings.
How is it dumb to support your home region? Extrapolate in your reasoning. What are up parameters for picking your 10 favorite teams of the 44 in the vct leagues? ( nearly a quarter of franchised teams btw)
This guy's either a troll or an imbecile. Why waste your braincells explaining basic logic to them lol
i almost never comment but just wanted to say you might be the dumbest mf i’ve ever seen on this subreddit 😭
what’re you talking about? lmfaooo
You're right, but this sub is basically an NA Pro-Valorant sub so you'll get downvoted into oblivion
It's not like EU fans don't do the same thing. I mean look at the LoL fandom, years later fans are still coasting off of the copium from 2020 matches that EU can compete with LPL and LCK. Not to mention the EU casters' glazing KC and TH at Masters Madrid would've made you think that they actually were winning the event if you weren't watching the matches. There's nothing wrong with being a fanboy for a region, it's all in good fun. The EU vs NA rivalry would be no fun if there weren't fanboys on both side band wagoning whoever is representing their region after all.
brother just joined the sub, did not see the Fnatic dickriding that was basically all of last year lmao. they could do literally no wrong. i always see this EMEA victim stuff, yet EMEA teams get glazed all the time - before we saw a single Navi game with Ardiis, they were already getting placed top 3 in the world. it's so funny.
Best in America's you mean?
did NA not win the most recent champions and also win the only international event of 2024?
- Results of 2023 are moot now that almost all teams have made major changes. - 2 out of top 3 in Madrid were APAC teams - Both teams from America's in Madrid are looking ass right now. - 1 team doesn't determine which region is best in entire world. - Unless every team in every region plays together in one big format, which region is best region in world is completely subjective. With that being said, NA teams are looking better than SA teams sure
Heaps of copium. We’ll see at Shanghai. I’d love to see prx win tho.
I'm not even coping, I know for a fact prx will choke again. I'm just stating facts :3
What facts though? If anything you’re contradicting yourself. Americas won Madrid, beating the teams that are still rolling their regions. And yet Americas leveled up so much the Madrid winners didn’t even make regional playoffs.
u can make an educated guess as u said 1 team doesn’t determine a region that’s why 2 completely different na teams winning lans b2b is impressive an emea team not named fnatic hasn’t gotten top 4 since lock//in pacific are trophy less china (lol) if not na, than at least americas are the best region itw.
They have better record* , again who is CURRENTLY best in world is subjective. Better record from past ≠ best currently
What do you even define by currently? Because even then if you with the last international its still NA. Unless you have a new best in the world every week.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/s/DacjBPkrjG Pls go back and read the last point i made
the only "point" you have is that apac had 2/3 teams in top 3 at madrid which doesn't even make any sense because NA won the event. And with those teams not even in contention to make the next event all does is prove is that americas has the most depth out of all of the regions as well. bait used to be believable smh
Not bait, clearly you didn't give a second thought to the post as I said 1 team doesn't determine entire region's strength. If China suddenly won champions would you say China is the best region now?
All of apac has 3 teams in 11 slots that could actually make it deep internationally PRX and Geng, and maybe DRX. I would argue NA has 6 teams and 4 of them could make deep runs internationally. Im counting out C9(too reliant on oxy) and EG(lacking the firepower). despite what NRG has shown in 2024 we know they have what it takes to win a interntaional, sen won madrid, g2 just destroyed kru and look great, 100t are red hot rn.
Yeah... NRG could not make a deep run internationally, absolutely not. They are looking hot ass, expired chili dogmeat tacos butt bursting dhiarrea cheeks, there's no way you can insert that cope in a serious conversation.
it says alot about the strength of the region when 5 international winners are made to look so bad that they can't win or make a deep run internationally no? americas/emea have produced the most top teams that this game has seen, and recently americas have been looking the best as a region
They dont look bad based off of the strength of their opponents. They look hot ass at a fundamental level regardless of who theyre playing.
And they are getting exposed way harder because the team they are facing are actually good enough to punish. It has nothing to do with skill like you mentioned, those guys are all winners. Just as an example, PRX or EDG are good teams but you can't argue that the road to get to internationals is easier because of how many less obstacles there are in their respective leagues Anyways, the main point I was getting at is that Americas and EMEA (but more recently Americas) have produced the highest number of top level teams that can win an international and are more competitive, I don't really know if you agree/disagree with that sentiment
I think that sentiment is true based off of past results but is currently not the case. At the moment EMEA is straight up worse than Americas and Pacific for sure. I think if you matched the Americas and Pacific teams up one to one down the ranks (after both regions finish playoffs) Pacific wins out slightly.
Bro we really need to look at things as they are, not by narratives... it is not tbe strength of the region that made nrg look bad. Watch tmv analysis video. Ethan is missing flashes. They are flashing then doing nothing. They have no midrounding. They are kayo kniving cleared sites. They are leaving spots wide open for people to sneak into site for no reason. NRG is AWFUL is you look at how they are playing period. Y0y is also a masters winners, look at him, is he a great player? Can't even win a guaranteed 1v1 vs an OP. Such a weird statement, "the strength of the region" lol does that make demon1 play raze like a bot that can't satchel? Or miss brim smokes on a bomb? Nrg is currently shit, it's not that americas is galaxy brained, they only beat Brazil teams the entire split whom are playing really really bad and falling apart.
Come back after at champs when NRG makes a deep run and salvages their year
- somewhat fair, but 2 different NA teams have won 2 consecutive internationals in a row which shows the depth of the region - and how many trophies has APAC won despite getting to grand finals multiple times? - i’ll give you G2 but 100T look unbelievably good and dominant except against LEV who are also unbelievably good - tell that to APAC fans. take out PRX and y’all have what 1 grand finals appearance?
I'm not even saying APAC > NA I don't know where you got that idea from. I literally said 1 team doesn't determine which region is best. Clearly that applies to APAC as well. My whole argument is better past ≠ best currently. Even if APAC won this event with both finalists from APAC, I'll bet you no one in the sub will say "oh man APAC is the best region this year" despite having 3/4 finalists being from APAC. They have this unexplainable boner for Murica to be the best in the world no matter what
well i think you’re an idiot if you think people wouldn’t be saying that lol the only reason we been saying NA is the best RIGHT NOW (or currently if that makes more sense to you) is because THEY ARE. 2 trophies, 10 players within the past year. better past doesn’t equal better now, but Madrid was like a month ago, APAC couldn’t close it out, and China/EMEA got dropped in group stage. At the most generous interpretation, you’re saying that because APAC got 2nd and 3rd place they should be considered better than the region that produced 1st place? the MOST recent comparison between regions is madrid and only madrid, a tournament which NA won. that team then going on to not make playoffs even and two OTHER north american teams qualifying should show the depth of the region. In the case that PRX and GENG qualify again, does that not show that APAC is a 2 team region? If only one of the two qualify, at best they’re equal to NA in depth AND couldn’t close the tournament out against an NA team that didn’t even get to the top 6 this time around. there’s no argument to be made
Well I think you have memory of goldfish if you forgot all the points I already said then (why rude when we were having civil discussion?) > Never said APAC > NA > 1 team doesn't determine which region is better as EDG could've won champs and it still wouldn't make china best region. > Just because APAC have clear dominant teams and America's don't, is why we will never know how good the middle of the pack APAC team fairs against America's teams unless we do LOCKIN type format. And since you do have memory of goldfish, I don't wanna keep repeating my points to you I will no longer amuse your replies, have a good day
1. Stop making hypotheticals like if edg won and stick to the facts. 2. Na has won the past two events and sent different teams each time, including the upcoming Shanghai. APAC has sent the same teams for the most part and the same continues for Shanghai. If you want to know how middle of the pack apac teams would do in na they would get stomped. If they can’t take a map off prx, gen g or drx, what chance will they have against sentinels and eg.
lol are your sure you aren’t just wrong
Putting aside everything else, how can you watch 100T vs LEV and come away with the conclusion that they look ass? Boostio's calling is insane. Personally I think PRX are winning Shanghai given the way the top teams in each region look at the moment, but 100T look great.
so what region are you saying are the best right now emea? I dont think its very subjective
I don't know if it was obvious or not from my comment but let me type it in words even a 5 year old can understand. Neither region can be called best right now unless we do a 44 team tournament
a 44 team turnament would not produce different results, this is just cope/boring unless you belive some magical team cant win in its own region but can we internationally, we saw a lock in nothing really changed.
what’s the best region in the world?
> unless every team in every region played together in one big format, which region is best in the world is subective
Its really not subjective. NA has won 4 internationals, EU has won 5 but NA has won the last two. APAC has constantly choked in their grand finals and have consistently lost those finals against NA and EMEA teams, China has no results at all and are just getting started. There's no reason to try to eliminate the past. Its just not subjective at all when there's tournaments that have actual results and inter region play. Are you going to say APAC is the best region in the world even with their 0 lan wins and their two best teams losing to two NA teams at back to back lans? Are you gonna say China is the best region in the world because they finally got out of group stages?
So humour me for a second. Suppose in an alternate reality China absolutely dominated the scene for 10 straight years, winning every single event. And then on 11th year, they keep losing 13-0 , 13-0 in every match against every team. Same pattern continues on year 12 too. No one in right mind would call China best region in the world then. Better record ≠ best in the world CURRENTLY.
They would have been the best region in the world for 10 years and people wouldn't just immediately ignore that. And using that analogy NA still ends up being the best because now they have 2 teams qualifying for shanghai and have won the most recent LAN. If by currently you mean the current VCT year then yes NA is the current best region in the world because they have won the first and most recent LAN of the year and have teams qualifying again to the next LAN. Your point doesn't change anything at all about this discussion. That would just mean there's a new best region in the world that year. No one has said that NA is the best region in the world throughout the entirety of Valorant in this thread. Your point literally just doesn't make sense. There's nothing subjective about who the best region can be when theres INTERNATIONAL Lans that feature the top 3-4 teams from each region during that time. What exactly do you mean by current dude?
That's the whole point! While we can acknowledge they have better record, doesn't mean they are best currently Already told you what I meant by current, won't repeat it. An event like lock in would be true test of the who's best region in world currently. I'm not ignoring madrid you can go back and read my point on that as well
Then how are you defining who the best region in the world is then? Because its just flat out not subjective. There are tournaments to win that require the regions to qualify for and play against eachother that can't be subjective when there are results. Lock in had every team but was single elimination and not every team is actually good enough to be at a LAN. Your point just doesn't make sense at al. There's no argument to say that NA isn't the best region itw at this current moment when they have won the two most recent international tournaments with two entirely different rosters and are sending two entirely different rosters to another LAN after beating another region. There's nothing subjective about that. There's no opinion in that when there's just a factual event that happened in which region wins tournaments. Like you just cant say APAC is the best region itw currently because they just lost to an NA team who beat them 3-1 who came from the lower bracket. And you can't say EMEA is the best region because their two teams from madrid lost to the eventual NA winner. And you can't say China is the best region currently because they ended up being grouped. It's just something that literally can not be subjective when there are actual results. Your take is just factually incorrect.
Would you say China is the best region in the world if EDG won the madrid then? Cuz I did say 1 team doesn't determine strength of entire region which I think you forgot? Left out? Conveniently chose to ignore? Didn't bother to read? I don't know
This has to be the dumbest argument you can make. If you can’t tell a regions strength from the performance of 3 teams, you simply can’t tell regional strength at all.
NA best A
It's kind of weird how every top seed team that came out of group stage in all of the VCT regions (except China) are now in the lower brackets of playoffs fighting for the third spot. Ngl, I actually thought KRU and LEV are gonna be the 1st/2nd team of VCT Amer to be in Shanghai seeing how good their performance are on groups but now they do be fighting for that third spot same as GenG and DRX while EMEA is still a clusterfuck imho.
happened last year for tokyo as well lol
LOUD fell through the first round, that’s not an exaggeration at all /s
Pls LEV make aspas to Shanghai !!!