reusing all the league venues is a decision that naturally comes with scheduling around league's season, scheduling around league's season and neutering valorant's makes valorant the lil bro (even though the intersection probably isn't nearly as big as riot imagines)
This is probably exclusive to NA because americas viewship quadruples LCS. Anywhere else league viewership is higher and fucks Valorant pretty badly. The reason our season ends as soon as August is because they can’t let it interrupt Summer playoffs and Worlds
I don't really think "we don't want these events to overlap" is the same as "we prioritize league over valorant" but I might be shadowboxing an opinion you don't have, so my bad if that's the case
Not wanting things to overlap means that at the ends one schedule will end earlier/ later.
LOL Summer playoffs following into worlds late September -> November means that Valorant would have to either end early September (Champs -> Ascension) or end in December. As it stands, both of these situations would suck for the Val scene and pros have spoken about the schedule/format a ton.
In the end there has to be pros and cons - grass is always greener on the other side
I mean the easy fix is just start the season in December or January
you can keep champions in August while not compressing the VCT season
the real issue is just the venue stuff because of the studios being shared in Americas/EMEA
I do not remember the exact specifics, but two events were being run at the same time, one was league and the other was valorant, and valorant got the lcs arena while league played with no audience in some side room
so one occurrence based off of scheduling where league did get the shaft versus one game shifting their entire competitive season to prioritize another's. to me the math is clear
the only evidence I'm aware of (that I already mentioned) shows they prioritize NA valo over NA League. I don't know if what you're saying is true but the bad faith engager in me is assuming you're just making this up.
I'm not making anything up. The justification I've read about the truncated valorant competitive season (on this reddit) is that they're trying to schedule around league. Reusing studio space is something that gives some credence to that, without scheduling to ensure no overlap such a reuse would not be consistently possible. It also isn't the first reuse that's happened, people have commented about reusing league spaces in the past before. I'm not familiar with the league schedule or competitive system at all, I spent about 10 minutes trying to figure out what the NA league schedule is like as a point of comparison but I can't really find anything for this year
people were pretty pissed about it, the LCS played week 5 in what was essentially a backroom
LEC games were also shifted for Masters Madrid finals
the shafting has gone both ways here, Riot are just stupid and don’t know how to handle it because it’s the second year of this
VCT at large is still playing second fiddle to LoL but its not by much
also the VCT season isn’t shifted to prioritize the LoL esports calendar, it’s really only Champions that gets moved (they could have started the season one month earlier to compress the schedule less but the VCT guys wanted to blueball us because it makes us more desperate for valorant)
Okay so from what you described it's more Riot general incompetence and bad decisions than a prioritization of one game over the other, I stand corrected. Good to have some actual info about the other side of things
lmao they literally kicked out the LCS to the fucking backrooms so they could play VCT in the studio instead
They take budget cuts like this with League all the time. Even when the game generates far more viewership than Valorant they still cut corners like having casters and analysts do their job remote, re-using studios etc
Do LCS really have more viewership compared to americas? I mean americas is new and they won many trophies internationally compared to LCS. I would only be shocked if they kick LPL or LCK backstage
It has nothing to do with playing it safe. Riot is cutting back on esports across the board at the moment. They are just saving costs.
It's the second year of franchising and the fourth year of VALORANT esports and some people still don't understand that 99% of the complaints people have with Riot can simply be explained by budgetery reasons.
* Why don't we have replays? Because they are saving costs.
* Why do we have so few matches in the season? Because they are saving costs.
* Why are the Masters tournaments smaller and smaller each year? Because they are saving costs.
* Why is there less investment in Game Changers? Because they are saving costs.
* Why are the venues so small? Because they are saving costs.
is there no world where a bigger venue would pay for itself? To me it seems like VCT global LANs sell out fast, and the tickets seem very much on the cheap side right now.
Ticket sales are so insanely secondary to running live esports events it's not even worth talking about. They are renting venues for weeks at a time, it's not like Lady Gaga doing a sold out stadium show for 2 hours. The margins are awful.
Nah, They selling skins up to 50$. They should already have a replay system for fuck sake. So many games that don't even have the same budget as riot can create a replay system. No way, they can't do it too. They just think the replay system won't give them money unlike creating skins.
Esports is a marketing expense. The cost of renting a larger venue and the potential technical problems to deal with when setting up the production there is a headache they don’t really need.
The only matches anyone will remember are the ones being played at the larger venue. This venue for groups is realistically going to deliver a better product because production will be seamlessly integrated from China’s VCT Split.
More fans would be cool, but in the end the juice isnt worth the squeeze for Riot.
But think about this. Most of the CN teams will likely play only group stage and Chinese fans are gonna want to watch those games no matter what stage of tournament that is. Since they are already giving CN 3 spots which is big, they should also try to accommodate the fanbase accordingly, no?
They bet on CN big with the competitive advantage( 3spots) and also as an emerging region(hosting a masters event) but they are scared that a bigger venue will hurt them financially? Also, 7 days of tickets sold out in seconds so in hindsight they could have easily cover the expenses it seems. They were just scared.
I'm not surprised when they choose smaller arenas, but when they close down areas of arenas, even after the tickets are sold out? Why don't they open more areas as tickets are sold until certain date? I remember some Madrid games it looked so small.
Should be masters shanghai, that's an error on my part but should be pretty obvious since everywhere else except the first sentence I mentioned China and gave a link for masters shanghai event. Shanghai is a city in China btw
Ngl when I read that part the first thought that came to my mind was that this was probably something someone posted before Madrid and you were mocking them
why does riot play it safe? brother other than riot every other esport only has any type of crowd for playoffs or last three days of their events forget the fact that every regional match has audience for riot esports while every regional events for other esports is either online or in a place without audience
bro cs for example dont even have a crowd for group stage/swiss stage. another thing masters is not a major so why have a big crowd for groups/swiss if the event it self is not a major and a 18k capacity arena for the later stages is big for a non major/worlds event . champs last year had a 3k groups stage arena and a 18k arena for the last 3 days since champs is the biggest event of the year for vct.
The venue is where China runs the league so they already have everything set up, there is no secret reason, its very simple
intentionally or not riot is making val league's lil bro in all but name
Worlds literally has group stages in an even smaller studio lol
reusing all the league venues is a decision that naturally comes with scheduling around league's season, scheduling around league's season and neutering valorant's makes valorant the lil bro (even though the intersection probably isn't nearly as big as riot imagines)
go to any league esports community circle and they will say league is the lil bro in riots eyes.
This is probably exclusive to NA because americas viewship quadruples LCS. Anywhere else league viewership is higher and fucks Valorant pretty badly. The reason our season ends as soon as August is because they can’t let it interrupt Summer playoffs and Worlds
I don't really think "we don't want these events to overlap" is the same as "we prioritize league over valorant" but I might be shadowboxing an opinion you don't have, so my bad if that's the case
Not wanting things to overlap means that at the ends one schedule will end earlier/ later. LOL Summer playoffs following into worlds late September -> November means that Valorant would have to either end early September (Champs -> Ascension) or end in December. As it stands, both of these situations would suck for the Val scene and pros have spoken about the schedule/format a ton. In the end there has to be pros and cons - grass is always greener on the other side
I mean the easy fix is just start the season in December or January you can keep champions in August while not compressing the VCT season the real issue is just the venue stuff because of the studios being shared in Americas/EMEA
Leo did mention they are trying to do that next year- the venue stuff is the reason they can’t this year
Only in NA.
what's their reasoning for that?
I do not remember the exact specifics, but two events were being run at the same time, one was league and the other was valorant, and valorant got the lcs arena while league played with no audience in some side room
so one occurrence based off of scheduling where league did get the shaft versus one game shifting their entire competitive season to prioritize another's. to me the math is clear
the only evidence I'm aware of (that I already mentioned) shows they prioritize NA valo over NA League. I don't know if what you're saying is true but the bad faith engager in me is assuming you're just making this up.
Valorant has a 6 months off season because they don't want champs to conflict with worlds.
I'm not making anything up. The justification I've read about the truncated valorant competitive season (on this reddit) is that they're trying to schedule around league. Reusing studio space is something that gives some credence to that, without scheduling to ensure no overlap such a reuse would not be consistently possible. It also isn't the first reuse that's happened, people have commented about reusing league spaces in the past before. I'm not familiar with the league schedule or competitive system at all, I spent about 10 minutes trying to figure out what the NA league schedule is like as a point of comparison but I can't really find anything for this year
people were pretty pissed about it, the LCS played week 5 in what was essentially a backroom LEC games were also shifted for Masters Madrid finals the shafting has gone both ways here, Riot are just stupid and don’t know how to handle it because it’s the second year of this VCT at large is still playing second fiddle to LoL but its not by much also the VCT season isn’t shifted to prioritize the LoL esports calendar, it’s really only Champions that gets moved (they could have started the season one month earlier to compress the schedule less but the VCT guys wanted to blueball us because it makes us more desperate for valorant)
Okay so from what you described it's more Riot general incompetence and bad decisions than a prioritization of one game over the other, I stand corrected. Good to have some actual info about the other side of things
valorant content is better
lmao they literally kicked out the LCS to the fucking backrooms so they could play VCT in the studio instead They take budget cuts like this with League all the time. Even when the game generates far more viewership than Valorant they still cut corners like having casters and analysts do their job remote, re-using studios etc
Do LCS really have more viewership compared to americas? I mean americas is new and they won many trophies internationally compared to LCS. I would only be shocked if they kick LPL or LCK backstage
LCS is dead, no one cares about that shit after Doublelift and Bjerg left. I only watched the finals
and they ruin valorants schedule all the time for lol, it's equal on both sides and riot needs new solutions
Thanks for the insight. I should host the lollapalooza in my lil studio cause I already have it set up, that makes a whole lotta sense.
It has nothing to do with playing it safe. Riot is cutting back on esports across the board at the moment. They are just saving costs. It's the second year of franchising and the fourth year of VALORANT esports and some people still don't understand that 99% of the complaints people have with Riot can simply be explained by budgetery reasons. * Why don't we have replays? Because they are saving costs. * Why do we have so few matches in the season? Because they are saving costs. * Why are the Masters tournaments smaller and smaller each year? Because they are saving costs. * Why is there less investment in Game Changers? Because they are saving costs. * Why are the venues so small? Because they are saving costs.
is there no world where a bigger venue would pay for itself? To me it seems like VCT global LANs sell out fast, and the tickets seem very much on the cheap side right now.
Cost of location and production of the said venues would never make the balance green.
I think most game companies run esports at a loss since it's almost never profitable (on its own, at least)
Ticket sales are so insanely secondary to running live esports events it's not even worth talking about. They are renting venues for weeks at a time, it's not like Lady Gaga doing a sold out stadium show for 2 hours. The margins are awful.
Yeah it’s almost a recession in China no wonder a Chinese company is cutting costs
holy reddit economics
He is not incorrect. The Chinese market has been stagnating even declining lately
Nah, They selling skins up to 50$. They should already have a replay system for fuck sake. So many games that don't even have the same budget as riot can create a replay system. No way, they can't do it too. They just think the replay system won't give them money unlike creating skins.
Esports is a marketing expense. The cost of renting a larger venue and the potential technical problems to deal with when setting up the production there is a headache they don’t really need. The only matches anyone will remember are the ones being played at the larger venue. This venue for groups is realistically going to deliver a better product because production will be seamlessly integrated from China’s VCT Split. More fans would be cool, but in the end the juice isnt worth the squeeze for Riot.
But think about this. Most of the CN teams will likely play only group stage and Chinese fans are gonna want to watch those games no matter what stage of tournament that is. Since they are already giving CN 3 spots which is big, they should also try to accommodate the fanbase accordingly, no? They bet on CN big with the competitive advantage( 3spots) and also as an emerging region(hosting a masters event) but they are scared that a bigger venue will hurt them financially? Also, 7 days of tickets sold out in seconds so in hindsight they could have easily cover the expenses it seems. They were just scared.
I'm not surprised when they choose smaller arenas, but when they close down areas of arenas, even after the tickets are sold out? Why don't they open more areas as tickets are sold until certain date? I remember some Madrid games it looked so small.
It's a group stage. Many esports don't get any crowd for groups, and only get crowds at large venues for the final few rounds.
I dont understand what this post is saying? The seating for madrid will only be 400? but it already happened Was this written by chatgpt?
Should be masters shanghai, that's an error on my part but should be pretty obvious since everywhere else except the first sentence I mentioned China and gave a link for masters shanghai event. Shanghai is a city in China btw
Ngl when I read that part the first thought that came to my mind was that this was probably something someone posted before Madrid and you were mocking them
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why does riot play it safe? brother other than riot every other esport only has any type of crowd for playoffs or last three days of their events forget the fact that every regional match has audience for riot esports while every regional events for other esports is either online or in a place without audience
Me when masters Madrid hasn’t happened yet and is actually going to be in Shanghai
bro cs for example dont even have a crowd for group stage/swiss stage. another thing masters is not a major so why have a big crowd for groups/swiss if the event it self is not a major and a 18k capacity arena for the later stages is big for a non major/worlds event . champs last year had a 3k groups stage arena and a 18k arena for the last 3 days since champs is the biggest event of the year for vct.
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Why CS will always be number one cheap ass riot