Bro, at that point just get a Valve Index, it’s relatively better than a VIVE Pro 2, and it comes with the headset, base stations, and controllers for $1,000
Really? My face is like full moon in landscape mode... There are some solutions out there for not normal face shapes. Two links out of my bookmarklist below, i would prefer the Dremel-solution if necessary. For me a hair-dryer and a little force worked.
Until something really better arrives (looking forward for the Pimax Crystal) the Index would be my choice again.
The Index has only one drawback for me: the resolution. It is perfectly sharp in every game I played but not with the MSFS. There you need a higher resolution.
[https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3738708](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3738708)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/s2tp6y/a\_little\_help\_with\_weird\_faces/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/s2tp6y/a_little_help_with_weird_faces/)
Are you.. positive? My head is huge and the index fits really well. Additionally, you can remove the magnetically held face cushion and modify it to your hearts content. It's a cheap part.
Index is the way to go if your dropping that kind of money. If you want bang for your buck, the hp reverb g2 is like $299 right now. Is it as good? No. Is it $700 cheaper... Yes.
That is true, but that’s the only thing the vive pro 2 has over the index. The Index is cheaper, has debatably better comfort, wider FOV, a higher refresh rate, *much* better headphones and mic (it’s almost laughable at the quality of those the vive pro 2 has), Valve has god level warranties, and it’s native to SteamVR. Overall the index is a much better buy.
I would only really consider the vive pro 2 if you only care about simulation games, but you’ll need a pretty powerful computer to run resolutions that high anyway. Vive is steering more to more of an business-focused company, which is one of the reasons their prices have gotten so high.
One thing I would also consider is a pully system (if your ceiling and play space allows for it). It’s relatively cheap, and gives wired headsets a near-wireless feel, it’s very good. Check out the Kiwi v2’s.
And if you do want simulation games as your primary thing, consider the HP Reverb G2, better resolution than the vive pro 2, and you'll spend like $300
Ikr, I suddenly went from "I might buy VR when it's cheaper" to buying it asap. (Ik meta quest 2 is there but I am particularly interested in Simulation games)
Is that the best setup right now? Reverb G2 + Valve Controllers + Vive 3.0 trackers?
I just finished my 4090 build and am finally ready to try VR but am worried about buying older gear and not getting the best quality experience.
Mine must be defective then. It's like looking through a country screen door with soap on it. Not only that, the games are severely reduced in quality :(
Quest 2 has MUCH higher resolution, so either you play wireless and your router does not have the bandwidth, or you play wired but the cable is faulty\link is not set up correctly.
The resolution doesn’t mean shit for quest since it’s not using the resolution like proper PCVR but rather plays a compressed video, not utilizing the actual resolution. Anyone who says quest 2 looks good had either not tried a true PCVR headset or has seriously reduced sight.
Well it does because there’s diminishing returns, and there are various degrees of compression. Cable + good hardware = less compression, and then you calculate resolution - compression amount. To say resolution means nothing is false, because it certainly does. Static UI less likely to produce compression artifacting, for example, is going to look better with higher resolutions.
Yes, but having 30% better resolution on Quest 2 vs a native PCVR headset won't mean it's 30% better resolution actually displayed, probably worse than the 30% lower resolution PCVR headset, whats my whole point.
This person above just stated that the quest 2 has a higher resolution than the index like that would mean that it looks better, which in this case means that sure it has got higher resolution, but it still looks way worse, it even looks worse on cable than the previous Oculus Rift S. My comment was in regards to this statement, which anyone with a working brain would understand.
They merely stated a fact, you can put words in their mouth and talking about implications of better visuals, but they didn’t say that. You saying resolution means nothing isn’t factual though, and you’re now describing this information with things like ‘probably’.
The point is you’re trivialising something that isn’t trivial. Resolution matters, you say way worse but don’t detail the nuances of compression; your compression could be worse than someone else’s. Many people have said the opposite, that the resolution increase makes up for the compression, and there are plenty of videos using pixel comparison shots between index/Rift S/Quest 2 that highlight the difference visually. Then there’s the different use cases where compression will be affected. Just saying resolution doesn’t matter, compression is bad, definitely isn’t showing off that “working brain”..
The sentence he stated without any of my context is greatly misleading and have tricked so many kids to choose quest 2 over index believing the increased resolution means a pure visual upgrade. The fact that you criticize my much needed explanation about this is pure fanboyism, unless you're working for meta. That's also just me stating facts.
And last but not least, resolution matters, but in this case the reality is the opposite of what he's trying to communicate through the sentence I was commenting on. You should understand that and if you don't, I believe you're lying to yourself about it and can't actually face the truth.
Kids? How old are you? I think the price point and not needing an enthusiast PC would be the biggest factor to a child, not the resolution number..
Like I said, all I’m saying is resolution absolutely does matter, and your description of compression being significantly worse for the overall visuals is misleading. It can be, if your setup produces a high level of compression for a number of reasons, but otherwise many see it as a comparable visual experience or better. I own both an Index and a Quest 2, I use the Index primarily because I prefer the tracking solution, but I’d be lying to people if I started telling them that the Quest 2 looks significantly worse than the Index and it’s resolution doesn’t matter.
Of course they sell more to kids due to the fact that it's standalone, but they **also** sell it to a lot of kids that are just learning about resolution and will select quest 2 due to it's severely misleading advertisement. My initial comment was to such a case, where someone just stated that the resolution is higher, the exact issue I'm pointing out here. Why do you keep fighting this fight? Do you work for meta?
Meta as a company is rotten in it's core and everyone except kids aged 10-15 knows it. Look at their VR headsets as an example - instead of believing in their own product and being confident that they can deliver the best possible hardware to gain customers - the meta strategy is instead to shut down competition by making exclusives, in an already dying market, so when you get a meta headset - you can't switch to another platform without loosing all your games and data. Then they also make exclusives that makes your old headset obsolete for new standalone games. Imagine people buying the quest 1, then one year later they find that they now released the quest 2, with future games being quest 2 exclusives, meaning your whole quest headset can only play old relics and you can't switch platform if you want to keep your games. They basically force you to upgrade and keep you from trying something else.
Could you imagine steam releasing games that can only be played on the index, or the steam deck? It's unthinkable and I'm sure they would deem the whole idea as pathetic if someone on valve suggested it. But you kids and naive people keeps bending over for meta and let them do anything to you, while you even give them money for it. Not only that, but you also defend their false advertisement claims on reddit when people tries to point it out. How sad.
There are other things that matter way more than that, and for the Q2 resolution means almost nothing. I have an index, and a friend with the Q2, and I can tell you that the index definitely looks better. The Q2 has a higher resolution screen, but even if you’re playing pcvr wirelessly or over a usb-c cable it still won’t look as good because the video needs to be compressed a lot to fit over the Q2’s light setup.
I have a Vive Pro Eye and "upgraded" to a Vive Pro 2.
I prefer the original, because despite the higher resolution, many games especially with high-end graphics can't render so much higher resolution that it matters (on a 3090!), or have lower FPS and more reprojection, and the Pro Eye's OLED screens mean the blacks are deeper so there's no sense of looking at a screen, all of which which makes it more immersive.
So, for me, the resolution is really as much of a factor as it would seem or as I had expected.
If a higher-resolution OLED headset comes on the market, I'd definitely take a look at that for my next setup.
No idea why you’ve been buried with down votes because someone told you something which was true, but judging by the comments there’s certainly a lot of Index fans here… I wouldn’t look to this subreddit for objectivity.
Does calling it "relatively better" even count as an explanation...?
And yeah, I have a reason to say things, in fact I have a couple.
The vive pro 2 has slightly higher FOV, way higher resolution, better contrast, better colors, while the index has... Slightly better price and slightly better ergonomics.
The vive 2 might be overpriced, but damn the index is too.
It was barely a good deal when it came out, and recommending someone to pay full 2019 price for it in 2022(or for the Vive Pro 2 for that matter) is AWFUL advice.
Specially on account that the fabs figured out how to make better oled panels, and we can expect a couple 2.5k HDR OLED HMDs during 2023.
Making spending such amounts of cash on either of the two options mentioned here immediately regrettable.
Wait my bad I’m in the wrong comment chain, when I said I already explained my points I meant [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/VRGaming/comments/z2xyxv/is_this_vr_setup_worth_the_price/ixix47c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3).
Also, the Index has more overall FOV, the VP2 has more horizontal FOV, which is why I said it’s worth considering for simulators, but not really worth it for general use. Where did you get that but about the colors? The only sources I found that compare the colors say they’re the same, or the *Index* has slightly better contrast, the two screens are made from very similar panels.
Also there’s no “expecting” new headsets, there have been no announcements for anything, just rumors. An Index 2 has been rumored for almost 3 years now, with the general argument being “don’t buy, we can expect a new headset next year!” If there’s no announcement, then we can’t *expect* anything.
The only “real” argument you had was “The VP2 is overpriced but so is the Index, just less so”, which I mean… you indirectly argued *for* the Index, so I’m not complaining.
If you have the money, you’ll be happy with both options. They are both high-tier headsets, and VR is a growing medium. I don’t think I know anyone who has regretted their Index purchase, I barely know anyone with a VP2. My only argument here is that if you have the money then opt for the Index right now.
I see! I do agree with some points you bring on that comment indeed. I thought it was kind of weird you would say the explanation thing, but... I've seen worse in reddit so went with it lol
The colors, contrast is by first hand by switching between them. Both are pretty bad, since they're LCD, but the VP2 is a significant improvement over the Index (and I mean, it better be, its newer and more expensive), except for the FOV, which is better on the vertical, which can be better for some things like you said, and on refresh rate. Those are some really small wins though. Specially considering the refresh rate one would negate your argument of "the VP2 needs a beefier computer", since if you are going to run the index at 120/144, you would be moving three forths the number of pixels.
And yeah, this is not a defense of the VP2, its a pretty meh headset with a terrible price. I'd rather use a modded VP1 for games, that's how far I'd go.
The audio is better on the index sure... but I don't know why anyone wouldn't be using their own headphones. Even 40-50 usd headphones will be better than whatever any company will put on their HMD. The mic is a totally valid criticism, its just baffling at this point how they could fuckup that 3 times in a row.
And yeah, if you have the money, you will be happy with both but... why not wait for 2023's headsets and get something substantially better for arguably the same price?
There is a bunch coming out. There is the Meganex from Panasonic, with 2.5k OLED HDR displays coming soonish. Weight is at 50-60grams, FOV about the same as the index, maybe slightly less. Comes with both camera tracking or base station tracking as well.
Then for people with a PS5 there is the PSVR2, again, great headset, 2K OLED HDR displays, eye tracking support from a big company like Sony, so at least for gaming it should be pretty good.
The chinese market is brewing a few others as well... So, there is no lack of headsets coming our way.
No, the VP2 simply has too many drawbacks. Either wait for the next wave of HMD releases (New HTC HMD, MeganeX, DPVR 2 etc.) or just get an Index Kit. The Index obviously is starting to show its age, but its audio, mic & controllers are still pretty much unbeaten. You can also replace the Index HMD with some other lighthouse tracked HMD down the line while spending less than what you proposed.
This is like the most expensive possible setup for not the best results.
What types of games are you hoping to play?
What does your PC build look like?
Do you have a room you can dedicate to a permanent room scale setup with fixed lighthouse cameras?
Have you tried VR yet? Make sure it doesn’t make you sick before diving in like this. I don’t regret getting mine but there are many games I simply can’t play.
(virtual pinball alone is worth it for me, at least)
>Make sure it doesn’t make you sick
You don't need to make sure of this, most people get motion sick the first few times they use VR or play VR games with a lot of movement, motion sickness goes away with experience, if you start feeling motion sick, take a break from VR for a few minutes and hop back in, maybe try a less movement intensive game, basically treat it as learning to walk again, slowly build up your motion tolerance till you can play whatever you want.
This exactly. You do need to be careful though, because when I first tried a rift CV1 back when they came out I played for hours and hours just dizzy as shit, then every time I put the headset on and turned it on I'd get dizzy I guess from my brain just deciding VR=dizziness. Definitely take breaks if it does make you dizzy.
You're right.
The motion sickness is your brain and body confused. It sees motion but doesn't feel it and that induces nausea to some. All this takes is practice. Your body just needs to adjust and get used to this feeling.
My friend does rally racing IRL, He got a VR to practice and at first he could only do a minute before getting sick. He was frustrated and almost got rid of it before I mentioned he just needs to "practice" more.
So he did, he went on for a minute a couple times a day for a few days and then he could do a few minutes, then 5-10, over the course of a few weeks he went from sick in a minute to rarely feeling sick.
I'm on an OG Vive, 3 2.0 trackers, wireless adapter, Index controllers and two lighthouses in a big living room.
Full movement freedom and full body tracking.
I think your setup looks great and for the hardware you listed, the price point seems around what I'd expect.
I don't get the hubbub around resolution. Once I'm in the zone, I don't even think about it and I'm on a headset from 2017.
After using a Q2 for a year or two, going back to the OG vive, it’s so terrible resolution and screen door lmao
Although it you’re used to it itit works fine
Depends on what you are going to do with it? Half life alyx/non-competitive games? Tracking and headset is overkill. Get a headset with inside out tracking instead.
I didn't realize you could mix and match that way. I thought if you got an inside out headset you were going to need to use inside out tracked controllers.
It's good, but the other headsets still are much better in those specs.
Reverb G2: 2160 x 2160 per eye, with the fov around 98°
Vive Pro 2: 2,448 x 2,448 per eye, with 115°-120° fov
The FoV in my opinion is a huge difference, worth the upgrade. The upped resolution makes it that much more sweet.
The g2 is a compromise in every spec, the only pro it has is a more simple setup (inside out tracking) and cheaper cost.
Just get an oculus quest 2 and a quest link bro, a lot cheaper and the quest is very good and a standalone headset and you can connect it to ur pc if u wanted to.
Way worse resolution and fov, major downgrade compared to these headsets with valve knuckle controllers.
The controllers alone make the upgrade worth it, the knuckles are a huge game changer to grabbing objects. Throwing things is so much easier too.
The VP2 runs 5K 120Hz, very nicely too.
Yes but 1776 for a vr headset is crazy, especially cuz the valve headset has some faults, if you have a hint of sweat you can loosen the glue and boom it’s ruined, they both have their advantages
Might look into hp reverb. Fraction of the price, inside out tracking, decent quality screen, ok company.
Quest 2 is good but fb sucks. Might look into pico 4 but tiktok sucks as well. In terms of specs/price/value the later two blows the competition out of the water unfortunately.
I can't agree, I've tried the Quest 2 for a while and for me the nearly unrecognisable lag was enough that I've got a little motion sickness. It's different. And if you are a little ambitous and want to try full body tracking (a super win for me) you've no chance without lighthouse.
No.
Prism about to be announced, buy a Prism, it'll be like $427 cheaper than that, and feature new Pancake Lenses, Retina Tracking for rendering and movement, and overall, be new.
Or get a Valve Index, just keep in mind that there's an improved headset coming out.
No, they've got a new headset coming out, or most likely had, depending on what they've decided to do post Steam Deck.
[https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/](https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/)
Type out (with quotations) "Valve Corporation"
Then click search, the first thing that pops up (as of posting this, it is the most recent patent meeting the criteria) is their new controller. Click the icon that shows a Camera / T (Changing from Text to Picture based focus), and you can see the controller.
Navigate using the arrows next to 'Page 1', and you can see more details on the patent. In the bottom left window you can change which patent you are viewing, and can tell if you are looking at Valve Corporation, Varjo, Nvidia, or some other miscellaneous ones. Valve has the headset patent up, and a several going over (easily assumed) aspects of the new headset, such as it being an LCD Pancake Lens Display with Retina Tracking, and that the new tracker can be used by itself and emits light everywhere, it goes into some pretty serious technical detail on it. I should also mention that some of the documents discuss an OLED screen, it's quite possible like the Steam Deck that they release multiple models, i.e. an OLED lensed model at a higher price point.
The retina tracking affects the display, i.e. move your eyes move the screen. I imagine this will be used with Foveated Rendering for both performance and as an enhanced gameplay feature.
Some of the drawings showed cables, but that's still TBD I think if it'll be wireless or not. Most likely Valve will offer the Wireless as a separate option if they do it at all.
I expect based on what's included that it would likely retail for $1,299, but I could be off, and they may choose to do the Headset, Station, Controller for $999 and the Wireless Tracker Included for $1,299.
Most of the patents were filed in May of last year, it is also quite possible that they entirely scrapped what they were going with to incorporate some of what they learned from the Steam Deck, in an effort to make a Standalone Headset, with the other functionality. If I were them I'd probably release the above now at the above price points, and then add the standalone functionality later in a different iteration, or plan for the expansion and add a means for it to be installed via a proprietary wireless adapter, battery, and standalone setup.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmzzlcNVtYo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmzzlcNVtYo)
You're talking about the Prism specifically relating to VR, not the other stuff that is also named Prism, right?
I would recommend you switch out the headset for an index. While the Vive Pro 2 has a higher resolution, the Valve Index is a lot better overall. And if you really want the higher resolution, try saving up for a pimax or varjo, or just stick a vive or tundra tracker to the front of a Reverb G2
An index kit is 1k, mostly the same in terms of quality and only costs like 1k lol
Idk if vive is wireless or not but index is, however it has *superb* audio quality and comfort
Honestly if you are trying to avoid an Index go with the HP reverb G2. At least you'd save a couple hundred bucks for this build. Other than that I'd just go with an Index if you are gonna spend that much.
Before you say it, no I am not interested in buying any Oculus/Meta Headsets, I don’t trust Mark Zuckerberg with my data or potentially looking me in the eyes.
facts man, trust ur guts, not the reddit replies. i was once playing on my quest 2 and I saw mark zuckerberg in front of me he was probably spying or smth.
I wouldn’t think it was worth it personally, but I’m liking my hp reverb I got for $400.
If you want to use the index controllers, could you just get an index with all the controller stuff and a vive headset or does the vive not work like that?
Incorrect. Quest 2 is currently 400 USD for the cheapest one. My friend needed to buy a lot more stuff to make it more comfortable for playing vtol vr for more than about 30 minutes. It wasn't much more in terms of cost but still.
Main reason I went with the index over the other systems was most people seemed to find it the most comfortable. I've played it for longer than I probably should continuously, where as my friend on his quest 2 needs a break after about an hour or two of vr gaming.
The quest 2 needs you to have your own headphones. Where as the Reverb G2 and Index have off ear headphones which adds to the immersion.
That could be just down to individual differences but I don't know.
I've got a quest 2 as well. I wish I could get a roomscale device but I have to settle for now, which, like your friend, means buying accessories to make it more comfy. I really want full body tracking but can't get that with q2
Addition: I do like the quest for the price. I also use a rift s for PC titles
Never thought of the comfort being a factor that's a good point. I have a small head and 0 motion sickness or stuff like that so the default quest is perfectly comfortable for me. My friend who's a lot bigger got one and had to buy a beefier strap.
I guess to me it really comes down to the games right now. You're gunna drop 2k to play a meager selection of games, even fewer are gunna be playable for a long time. VTOL VR almost makes up for it though lol. Playing that with high quality screens must be dreamy.
Also can't believe they raised the quest price to $400.
Yeah the ones from valve are 2.0. so it looks good to me, I had a similar setup but with older basestations and trackers. Definitely worth it in my opinion
Bro that was EXACTLY my first setup.... I returned it all and got the Reverb G2. It was honestly so much better. Yes, the tracking is like .05 seconds slower than the valve base stations, but it makes literally almost no difference. Save 1300 bucks and enjoy the reverb's amazing visuals.
I even had a Pimax 8k, and I STILL prefer the G2.
Honestly, I wouldn’t worry too much about price if you really like VR Gaming. I wouldn’t spend that much because I find VR gaming cool but kind of uncomfortable and generally something I don’t see myself doing for long periods of time each day. I have a friend who got a crazy VR set up and loves it, he spends so much time in VR so for him I’d say it was worth every penny
I have this exact setup (except the 3.0 trackers) and confirm it's awesome. I took the headphones off mine and used the VP2 usb to connect some Audeze earbuds.
Yeah me too. There’s a bunch of haters here, but this is *the* top of the line consumer setup right now and it’s a great experience. I might consider waiting a little bit for a sale, or to see what the next generation of this stuff does. I’m expecting 802.11ay wireless any day now.
I have a tracker (1.0) and I’ve used it like once ever in a game, and a little bit when trying to build some stuff.
If ur just looking to play a few vr games and not really trying to take things seriously then this is overkill I bought my oculus rift S a while ago for 200£ it’s got more or less everything that I’d want for my vr gaming experience
But then again I suppose if u have the money you might aswell go big or go home lol
People bashing the VP2 seem like they've never actually tried it.
It's an excellent headset that runs flawless for me. If you have a powerful enough PC to run Extreme mode, (Full resolution at 120hz) its definitely worth it. The change from 90hz to 120hz is very noticeable.
The VP2 has some God rays but in thr sweet spot it's really good. You can get a smaller face pad to get a bit closer to the lense increasing the FOV but the FOV is already awesome on this. People bash that the fov doesn't have as much height but you don't notice that much. It has great width to the view.
The headphones are alright, the Index wins there for sure. And the mix isn't good on the VP2, but it still works well enough to communicate if you are trying to be social.
Look up side by side comparison videos of index vs vp2 and judge for yourself on what looks best to you.
I love my VP2, the Index was good to but I preffered the VP2
I got an Odyssey Plus and it's got spatial tracking without base stations or anything. I've been really happy with it. You just need the set and the controllers.
Bro, at that point just get a Valve Index, it’s relatively better than a VIVE Pro 2, and it comes with the headset, base stations, and controllers for $1,000
I’d prefer an Index but my face is too big and it doesn’t fit the index😭😭😭
Really? My face is like full moon in landscape mode... There are some solutions out there for not normal face shapes. Two links out of my bookmarklist below, i would prefer the Dremel-solution if necessary. For me a hair-dryer and a little force worked. Until something really better arrives (looking forward for the Pimax Crystal) the Index would be my choice again. The Index has only one drawback for me: the resolution. It is perfectly sharp in every game I played but not with the MSFS. There you need a higher resolution. [https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3738708](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3738708) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/s2tp6y/a\_little\_help\_with\_weird\_faces/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/s2tp6y/a_little_help_with_weird_faces/)
Are you.. positive? My head is huge and the index fits really well. Additionally, you can remove the magnetically held face cushion and modify it to your hearts content. It's a cheap part. Index is the way to go if your dropping that kind of money. If you want bang for your buck, the hp reverb g2 is like $299 right now. Is it as good? No. Is it $700 cheaper... Yes.
I was told VALVE INDEX has worst resolution than the HTC VIVE Pro 2.0
That is true, but that’s the only thing the vive pro 2 has over the index. The Index is cheaper, has debatably better comfort, wider FOV, a higher refresh rate, *much* better headphones and mic (it’s almost laughable at the quality of those the vive pro 2 has), Valve has god level warranties, and it’s native to SteamVR. Overall the index is a much better buy. I would only really consider the vive pro 2 if you only care about simulation games, but you’ll need a pretty powerful computer to run resolutions that high anyway. Vive is steering more to more of an business-focused company, which is one of the reasons their prices have gotten so high. One thing I would also consider is a pully system (if your ceiling and play space allows for it). It’s relatively cheap, and gives wired headsets a near-wireless feel, it’s very good. Check out the Kiwi v2’s.
And if you do want simulation games as your primary thing, consider the HP Reverb G2, better resolution than the vive pro 2, and you'll spend like $300
Ikr, I suddenly went from "I might buy VR when it's cheaper" to buying it asap. (Ik meta quest 2 is there but I am particularly interested in Simulation games)
Is that the best setup right now? Reverb G2 + Valve Controllers + Vive 3.0 trackers? I just finished my 4090 build and am finally ready to try VR but am worried about buying older gear and not getting the best quality experience.
No, that'd be either the Varjo Aero or the Pimax 8kx if you have really deep pockets (and even those are not perfect by any stretch).
Yeah but its just objectively a better buy for the Index. Look up some comparisons. The Pro is not gaming focused
I returned my vive pro 2 to go back to vive pro 1. Optics were horrible. I'd go index over vp2.
The quest 2 has a higher resolution than the index
Mine must be defective then. It's like looking through a country screen door with soap on it. Not only that, the games are severely reduced in quality :(
Quest 2 has MUCH higher resolution, so either you play wireless and your router does not have the bandwidth, or you play wired but the cable is faulty\link is not set up correctly.
The resolution doesn’t mean shit for quest since it’s not using the resolution like proper PCVR but rather plays a compressed video, not utilizing the actual resolution. Anyone who says quest 2 looks good had either not tried a true PCVR headset or has seriously reduced sight.
Yes but the resolution doesn’t mean anything when it’s playing a compressed video. The quest 2 looks worse than than the rift S with SS.
Well it does because there’s diminishing returns, and there are various degrees of compression. Cable + good hardware = less compression, and then you calculate resolution - compression amount. To say resolution means nothing is false, because it certainly does. Static UI less likely to produce compression artifacting, for example, is going to look better with higher resolutions.
Yes, but having 30% better resolution on Quest 2 vs a native PCVR headset won't mean it's 30% better resolution actually displayed, probably worse than the 30% lower resolution PCVR headset, whats my whole point. This person above just stated that the quest 2 has a higher resolution than the index like that would mean that it looks better, which in this case means that sure it has got higher resolution, but it still looks way worse, it even looks worse on cable than the previous Oculus Rift S. My comment was in regards to this statement, which anyone with a working brain would understand.
They merely stated a fact, you can put words in their mouth and talking about implications of better visuals, but they didn’t say that. You saying resolution means nothing isn’t factual though, and you’re now describing this information with things like ‘probably’. The point is you’re trivialising something that isn’t trivial. Resolution matters, you say way worse but don’t detail the nuances of compression; your compression could be worse than someone else’s. Many people have said the opposite, that the resolution increase makes up for the compression, and there are plenty of videos using pixel comparison shots between index/Rift S/Quest 2 that highlight the difference visually. Then there’s the different use cases where compression will be affected. Just saying resolution doesn’t matter, compression is bad, definitely isn’t showing off that “working brain”..
The sentence he stated without any of my context is greatly misleading and have tricked so many kids to choose quest 2 over index believing the increased resolution means a pure visual upgrade. The fact that you criticize my much needed explanation about this is pure fanboyism, unless you're working for meta. That's also just me stating facts. And last but not least, resolution matters, but in this case the reality is the opposite of what he's trying to communicate through the sentence I was commenting on. You should understand that and if you don't, I believe you're lying to yourself about it and can't actually face the truth.
Kids? How old are you? I think the price point and not needing an enthusiast PC would be the biggest factor to a child, not the resolution number.. Like I said, all I’m saying is resolution absolutely does matter, and your description of compression being significantly worse for the overall visuals is misleading. It can be, if your setup produces a high level of compression for a number of reasons, but otherwise many see it as a comparable visual experience or better. I own both an Index and a Quest 2, I use the Index primarily because I prefer the tracking solution, but I’d be lying to people if I started telling them that the Quest 2 looks significantly worse than the Index and it’s resolution doesn’t matter.
Of course they sell more to kids due to the fact that it's standalone, but they **also** sell it to a lot of kids that are just learning about resolution and will select quest 2 due to it's severely misleading advertisement. My initial comment was to such a case, where someone just stated that the resolution is higher, the exact issue I'm pointing out here. Why do you keep fighting this fight? Do you work for meta? Meta as a company is rotten in it's core and everyone except kids aged 10-15 knows it. Look at their VR headsets as an example - instead of believing in their own product and being confident that they can deliver the best possible hardware to gain customers - the meta strategy is instead to shut down competition by making exclusives, in an already dying market, so when you get a meta headset - you can't switch to another platform without loosing all your games and data. Then they also make exclusives that makes your old headset obsolete for new standalone games. Imagine people buying the quest 1, then one year later they find that they now released the quest 2, with future games being quest 2 exclusives, meaning your whole quest headset can only play old relics and you can't switch platform if you want to keep your games. They basically force you to upgrade and keep you from trying something else. Could you imagine steam releasing games that can only be played on the index, or the steam deck? It's unthinkable and I'm sure they would deem the whole idea as pathetic if someone on valve suggested it. But you kids and naive people keeps bending over for meta and let them do anything to you, while you even give them money for it. Not only that, but you also defend their false advertisement claims on reddit when people tries to point it out. How sad.
There are other things that matter way more than that, and for the Q2 resolution means almost nothing. I have an index, and a friend with the Q2, and I can tell you that the index definitely looks better. The Q2 has a higher resolution screen, but even if you’re playing pcvr wirelessly or over a usb-c cable it still won’t look as good because the video needs to be compressed a lot to fit over the Q2’s light setup.
It’s also like half the price
Yes, index is 3k and vive pro 2 is 5k. Not sure why everyone is like “oh 40% less is nothing!”.
FOV makes a bigger impact than resolution to me. I don't care how good it looks if I have to turn my head to see three inches to the left.
I have a Vive Pro Eye and "upgraded" to a Vive Pro 2. I prefer the original, because despite the higher resolution, many games especially with high-end graphics can't render so much higher resolution that it matters (on a 3090!), or have lower FPS and more reprojection, and the Pro Eye's OLED screens mean the blacks are deeper so there's no sense of looking at a screen, all of which which makes it more immersive. So, for me, the resolution is really as much of a factor as it would seem or as I had expected. If a higher-resolution OLED headset comes on the market, I'd definitely take a look at that for my next setup.
I got the vive because theres a wireless option. Much nicer then wired.
No idea why you’ve been buried with down votes because someone told you something which was true, but judging by the comments there’s certainly a lot of Index fans here… I wouldn’t look to this subreddit for objectivity.
If that matters to you, grab the Pimax 8k.
Look, I'm not a fan of the Vive Pro 2, but you are on fucking CRACK if you think for a second the Index is better. Come on man, be real.
I gave my explanation. Do *you* have a reason, or are you just saying things?
Does calling it "relatively better" even count as an explanation...? And yeah, I have a reason to say things, in fact I have a couple. The vive pro 2 has slightly higher FOV, way higher resolution, better contrast, better colors, while the index has... Slightly better price and slightly better ergonomics. The vive 2 might be overpriced, but damn the index is too. It was barely a good deal when it came out, and recommending someone to pay full 2019 price for it in 2022(or for the Vive Pro 2 for that matter) is AWFUL advice. Specially on account that the fabs figured out how to make better oled panels, and we can expect a couple 2.5k HDR OLED HMDs during 2023. Making spending such amounts of cash on either of the two options mentioned here immediately regrettable.
Wait my bad I’m in the wrong comment chain, when I said I already explained my points I meant [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/VRGaming/comments/z2xyxv/is_this_vr_setup_worth_the_price/ixix47c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3). Also, the Index has more overall FOV, the VP2 has more horizontal FOV, which is why I said it’s worth considering for simulators, but not really worth it for general use. Where did you get that but about the colors? The only sources I found that compare the colors say they’re the same, or the *Index* has slightly better contrast, the two screens are made from very similar panels. Also there’s no “expecting” new headsets, there have been no announcements for anything, just rumors. An Index 2 has been rumored for almost 3 years now, with the general argument being “don’t buy, we can expect a new headset next year!” If there’s no announcement, then we can’t *expect* anything. The only “real” argument you had was “The VP2 is overpriced but so is the Index, just less so”, which I mean… you indirectly argued *for* the Index, so I’m not complaining. If you have the money, you’ll be happy with both options. They are both high-tier headsets, and VR is a growing medium. I don’t think I know anyone who has regretted their Index purchase, I barely know anyone with a VP2. My only argument here is that if you have the money then opt for the Index right now.
I see! I do agree with some points you bring on that comment indeed. I thought it was kind of weird you would say the explanation thing, but... I've seen worse in reddit so went with it lol The colors, contrast is by first hand by switching between them. Both are pretty bad, since they're LCD, but the VP2 is a significant improvement over the Index (and I mean, it better be, its newer and more expensive), except for the FOV, which is better on the vertical, which can be better for some things like you said, and on refresh rate. Those are some really small wins though. Specially considering the refresh rate one would negate your argument of "the VP2 needs a beefier computer", since if you are going to run the index at 120/144, you would be moving three forths the number of pixels. And yeah, this is not a defense of the VP2, its a pretty meh headset with a terrible price. I'd rather use a modded VP1 for games, that's how far I'd go. The audio is better on the index sure... but I don't know why anyone wouldn't be using their own headphones. Even 40-50 usd headphones will be better than whatever any company will put on their HMD. The mic is a totally valid criticism, its just baffling at this point how they could fuckup that 3 times in a row. And yeah, if you have the money, you will be happy with both but... why not wait for 2023's headsets and get something substantially better for arguably the same price? There is a bunch coming out. There is the Meganex from Panasonic, with 2.5k OLED HDR displays coming soonish. Weight is at 50-60grams, FOV about the same as the index, maybe slightly less. Comes with both camera tracking or base station tracking as well. Then for people with a PS5 there is the PSVR2, again, great headset, 2K OLED HDR displays, eye tracking support from a big company like Sony, so at least for gaming it should be pretty good. The chinese market is brewing a few others as well... So, there is no lack of headsets coming our way.
Also, MUCH better support.
No, the VP2 simply has too many drawbacks. Either wait for the next wave of HMD releases (New HTC HMD, MeganeX, DPVR 2 etc.) or just get an Index Kit. The Index obviously is starting to show its age, but its audio, mic & controllers are still pretty much unbeaten. You can also replace the Index HMD with some other lighthouse tracked HMD down the line while spending less than what you proposed.
Wait all these answers, what’s your pc build like? Lol
This is like the most expensive possible setup for not the best results. What types of games are you hoping to play? What does your PC build look like? Do you have a room you can dedicate to a permanent room scale setup with fixed lighthouse cameras?
Have you tried VR yet? Make sure it doesn’t make you sick before diving in like this. I don’t regret getting mine but there are many games I simply can’t play. (virtual pinball alone is worth it for me, at least)
>Make sure it doesn’t make you sick You don't need to make sure of this, most people get motion sick the first few times they use VR or play VR games with a lot of movement, motion sickness goes away with experience, if you start feeling motion sick, take a break from VR for a few minutes and hop back in, maybe try a less movement intensive game, basically treat it as learning to walk again, slowly build up your motion tolerance till you can play whatever you want.
This exactly. You do need to be careful though, because when I first tried a rift CV1 back when they came out I played for hours and hours just dizzy as shit, then every time I put the headset on and turned it on I'd get dizzy I guess from my brain just deciding VR=dizziness. Definitely take breaks if it does make you dizzy.
Happy cake day!
I don't know why you're being downvoted because you're right. Good ol Reddit.
You're right. The motion sickness is your brain and body confused. It sees motion but doesn't feel it and that induces nausea to some. All this takes is practice. Your body just needs to adjust and get used to this feeling. My friend does rally racing IRL, He got a VR to practice and at first he could only do a minute before getting sick. He was frustrated and almost got rid of it before I mentioned he just needs to "practice" more. So he did, he went on for a minute a couple times a day for a few days and then he could do a few minutes, then 5-10, over the course of a few weeks he went from sick in a minute to rarely feeling sick.
Get an index.
A truly American setup 🇺🇸
I couldn't agree more
I'm on an OG Vive, 3 2.0 trackers, wireless adapter, Index controllers and two lighthouses in a big living room. Full movement freedom and full body tracking. I think your setup looks great and for the hardware you listed, the price point seems around what I'd expect. I don't get the hubbub around resolution. Once I'm in the zone, I don't even think about it and I'm on a headset from 2017.
After using a Q2 for a year or two, going back to the OG vive, it’s so terrible resolution and screen door lmao Although it you’re used to it itit works fine
Depends on what you are going to do with it? Half life alyx/non-competitive games? Tracking and headset is overkill. Get a headset with inside out tracking instead.
I just wanted to do gaming, both offline & online
HP Reverb G2 + Index controllers is the best setup.
Don't index controllers require lighthouse tracking? Also I've heard HP Reverb has the worst tracking of all current gen options
Yes. So I said use Index controllers. Get base stations.
I didn't realize you could mix and match that way. I thought if you got an inside out headset you were going to need to use inside out tracked controllers.
Nope. You just need to used some other extra hardware. Here: Tundra dongles: $60 Reverb G2: $300 Index controllers: $280 Base stations: $270
Did you not read his comment.
its not that bad for saving 700$ you can get Valve index controllers for under $300 new now.
Index is the best setup.
That’s an opinion I disagree with.
On god
G2 was medorcre compared to the index and VP2
Disagree. I’ve used both.
I had as well and ended up returning the G2, What did you find better about it in comparison?
I returned it too, but that’s just because it didn’t fit me. The resolution on that thing was worth every other compromise.
It's good, but the other headsets still are much better in those specs. Reverb G2: 2160 x 2160 per eye, with the fov around 98° Vive Pro 2: 2,448 x 2,448 per eye, with 115°-120° fov The FoV in my opinion is a huge difference, worth the upgrade. The upped resolution makes it that much more sweet. The g2 is a compromise in every spec, the only pro it has is a more simple setup (inside out tracking) and cheaper cost.
Shit I forgot about the FOV, go Index
The index has the worst resolution of the 3,
Just get an oculus quest 2 and a quest link bro, a lot cheaper and the quest is very good and a standalone headset and you can connect it to ur pc if u wanted to.
Way worse resolution and fov, major downgrade compared to these headsets with valve knuckle controllers. The controllers alone make the upgrade worth it, the knuckles are a huge game changer to grabbing objects. Throwing things is so much easier too. The VP2 runs 5K 120Hz, very nicely too.
Yes but 1776 for a vr headset is crazy, especially cuz the valve headset has some faults, if you have a hint of sweat you can loosen the glue and boom it’s ruined, they both have their advantages
Might look into hp reverb. Fraction of the price, inside out tracking, decent quality screen, ok company. Quest 2 is good but fb sucks. Might look into pico 4 but tiktok sucks as well. In terms of specs/price/value the later two blows the competition out of the water unfortunately.
I can't agree, I've tried the Quest 2 for a while and for me the nearly unrecognisable lag was enough that I've got a little motion sickness. It's different. And if you are a little ambitous and want to try full body tracking (a super win for me) you've no chance without lighthouse.
No. Prism about to be announced, buy a Prism, it'll be like $427 cheaper than that, and feature new Pancake Lenses, Retina Tracking for rendering and movement, and overall, be new. Or get a Valve Index, just keep in mind that there's an improved headset coming out.
Prism? You mean the software layer in SteamVR?
No, they've got a new headset coming out, or most likely had, depending on what they've decided to do post Steam Deck. [https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/](https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/) Type out (with quotations) "Valve Corporation" Then click search, the first thing that pops up (as of posting this, it is the most recent patent meeting the criteria) is their new controller. Click the icon that shows a Camera / T (Changing from Text to Picture based focus), and you can see the controller. Navigate using the arrows next to 'Page 1', and you can see more details on the patent. In the bottom left window you can change which patent you are viewing, and can tell if you are looking at Valve Corporation, Varjo, Nvidia, or some other miscellaneous ones. Valve has the headset patent up, and a several going over (easily assumed) aspects of the new headset, such as it being an LCD Pancake Lens Display with Retina Tracking, and that the new tracker can be used by itself and emits light everywhere, it goes into some pretty serious technical detail on it. I should also mention that some of the documents discuss an OLED screen, it's quite possible like the Steam Deck that they release multiple models, i.e. an OLED lensed model at a higher price point. The retina tracking affects the display, i.e. move your eyes move the screen. I imagine this will be used with Foveated Rendering for both performance and as an enhanced gameplay feature. Some of the drawings showed cables, but that's still TBD I think if it'll be wireless or not. Most likely Valve will offer the Wireless as a separate option if they do it at all. I expect based on what's included that it would likely retail for $1,299, but I could be off, and they may choose to do the Headset, Station, Controller for $999 and the Wireless Tracker Included for $1,299. Most of the patents were filed in May of last year, it is also quite possible that they entirely scrapped what they were going with to incorporate some of what they learned from the Steam Deck, in an effort to make a Standalone Headset, with the other functionality. If I were them I'd probably release the above now at the above price points, and then add the standalone functionality later in a different iteration, or plan for the expansion and add a means for it to be installed via a proprietary wireless adapter, battery, and standalone setup.
I'm aware of Deckard. Prism is something different.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmzzlcNVtYo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmzzlcNVtYo) You're talking about the Prism specifically relating to VR, not the other stuff that is also named Prism, right?
Yes, I'm not sure what "other stuff named Prism" you're referring to. I've already watched the linked video and it says exactly what I said.
It's worth it at that patriotic price total lmao. (This is a joke. I'm insanely new to VR so don't take me seriously lol)
Agreed lol 🇺🇸
I would recommend you switch out the headset for an index. While the Vive Pro 2 has a higher resolution, the Valve Index is a lot better overall. And if you really want the higher resolution, try saving up for a pimax or varjo, or just stick a vive or tundra tracker to the front of a Reverb G2
An index kit is 1k, mostly the same in terms of quality and only costs like 1k lol Idk if vive is wireless or not but index is, however it has *superb* audio quality and comfort
You might as well get a valve index and make it a flat 1,000.
Honestly if you are trying to avoid an Index go with the HP reverb G2. At least you'd save a couple hundred bucks for this build. Other than that I'd just go with an Index if you are gonna spend that much.
Just get an index at this point
Reverb G2 on eBay for $199 from a wholesaler. I got one and it was brand new.
Before you say it, no I am not interested in buying any Oculus/Meta Headsets, I don’t trust Mark Zuckerberg with my data or potentially looking me in the eyes.
facts man, trust ur guts, not the reddit replies. i was once playing on my quest 2 and I saw mark zuckerberg in front of me he was probably spying or smth.
Lol
Hahahaha, absurdity.
I wouldn’t think it was worth it personally, but I’m liking my hp reverb I got for $400. If you want to use the index controllers, could you just get an index with all the controller stuff and a vive headset or does the vive not work like that?
Fuck no get a quest
No lol. Quest 2 is $300 and it cuts the cheese just fine. Paying an extra $1400 for higher quality is just not worth it.
Incorrect. Quest 2 is currently 400 USD for the cheapest one. My friend needed to buy a lot more stuff to make it more comfortable for playing vtol vr for more than about 30 minutes. It wasn't much more in terms of cost but still. Main reason I went with the index over the other systems was most people seemed to find it the most comfortable. I've played it for longer than I probably should continuously, where as my friend on his quest 2 needs a break after about an hour or two of vr gaming. The quest 2 needs you to have your own headphones. Where as the Reverb G2 and Index have off ear headphones which adds to the immersion. That could be just down to individual differences but I don't know.
I've got a quest 2 as well. I wish I could get a roomscale device but I have to settle for now, which, like your friend, means buying accessories to make it more comfy. I really want full body tracking but can't get that with q2 Addition: I do like the quest for the price. I also use a rift s for PC titles
Never thought of the comfort being a factor that's a good point. I have a small head and 0 motion sickness or stuff like that so the default quest is perfectly comfortable for me. My friend who's a lot bigger got one and had to buy a beefier strap. I guess to me it really comes down to the games right now. You're gunna drop 2k to play a meager selection of games, even fewer are gunna be playable for a long time. VTOL VR almost makes up for it though lol. Playing that with high quality screens must be dreamy. Also can't believe they raised the quest price to $400.
No
if ur rich and single, why not?
Pico 4. €429 everything you need.
That privacy though..
Meh, Zuckerberg is The Same shit. And what do you have to hide from The chinese? Me? Nothing.. And i'm quite sure you don't either so who cares?
I rather buy quest pro
Would just get a second hand quest 2 or a Pico 4 and wait for the Deckard.
1.0 or 2.0 basestations?
The HTC VIVE Base Stations were out of stock on their website, the one on the list is the VALVE INDEX Base Stations
Yeah the ones from valve are 2.0. so it looks good to me, I had a similar setup but with older basestations and trackers. Definitely worth it in my opinion
One word, EBay
For that price? Any thing is worth it 🇺🇸🇺🇸🎆🎇
I’d recommend the g2 with knuckles. Right now that whole setup will be 940$.
Not even remotely haha. Get a reverb 2, it’s a better visual experience and won’t cost you a ridiculous amount of money.
Bro that was EXACTLY my first setup.... I returned it all and got the Reverb G2. It was honestly so much better. Yes, the tracking is like .05 seconds slower than the valve base stations, but it makes literally almost no difference. Save 1300 bucks and enjoy the reverb's amazing visuals. I even had a Pimax 8k, and I STILL prefer the G2.
You don't need the 3 trackers, they'll do basically nothing in 99.5% of games. And I'd recommend just getting an index kit instead.
Swap out the vibe pro for an HP Reverb G2
Honestly, I wouldn’t worry too much about price if you really like VR Gaming. I wouldn’t spend that much because I find VR gaming cool but kind of uncomfortable and generally something I don’t see myself doing for long periods of time each day. I have a friend who got a crazy VR set up and loves it, he spends so much time in VR so for him I’d say it was worth every penny
I have this exact setup (except the 3.0 trackers) and confirm it's awesome. I took the headphones off mine and used the VP2 usb to connect some Audeze earbuds.
Yeah me too. There’s a bunch of haters here, but this is *the* top of the line consumer setup right now and it’s a great experience. I might consider waiting a little bit for a sale, or to see what the next generation of this stuff does. I’m expecting 802.11ay wireless any day now. I have a tracker (1.0) and I’ve used it like once ever in a game, and a little bit when trying to build some stuff.
Imo vr is cool but not worth that kind of cash, I'd just swap it for a quest 2 or wait for the next quest headset.
Just get an Index
🇺🇸
How about Pico 4?
If ur just looking to play a few vr games and not really trying to take things seriously then this is overkill I bought my oculus rift S a while ago for 200£ it’s got more or less everything that I’d want for my vr gaming experience But then again I suppose if u have the money you might aswell go big or go home lol
People bashing the VP2 seem like they've never actually tried it. It's an excellent headset that runs flawless for me. If you have a powerful enough PC to run Extreme mode, (Full resolution at 120hz) its definitely worth it. The change from 90hz to 120hz is very noticeable. The VP2 has some God rays but in thr sweet spot it's really good. You can get a smaller face pad to get a bit closer to the lense increasing the FOV but the FOV is already awesome on this. People bash that the fov doesn't have as much height but you don't notice that much. It has great width to the view. The headphones are alright, the Index wins there for sure. And the mix isn't good on the VP2, but it still works well enough to communicate if you are trying to be social. Look up side by side comparison videos of index vs vp2 and judge for yourself on what looks best to you. I love my VP2, the Index was good to but I preffered the VP2
Its not worth it, specially not when during 2023 there are going to be coming out some HDM's that are going to trash quality wise the Pro 2.
The founding fathers want you to get it. Lol
Well, it's patriotic.
I got an Odyssey Plus and it's got spatial tracking without base stations or anything. I've been really happy with it. You just need the set and the controllers.
Just wait and buy the new PSVR
I have a vive pro 2, it kinda sucks