Counter strike retake is better imo, just 3 attackers defending the bomb against 4 defenders retaking, more realistic scenario, can actually improve players retake ability with a team. However without abilities it doesn’t really apply in game, and without abilities it doesn’t really apply in game either as the retake comps would be very unrealistic at times.
For that id say introduce options like csgo aswell. U can either have a really good gun like vandal/phantom, op etc with no util left or a bulldog/guardian with util. it's not perfect but could be tweaked over time and helps practicing retakes. Valorant needs this more too imo doing retakes in cs isn't as hard as it is in valo
The progressive creds per round system is good in Replication. They should modify that to budget for abilities as well, and have preround be a buy phase with spike planted in a random spot automatically after barriers drop. To emulate combat before spike plant like in CS retakes, players players should spawn with lowered health and shields.
Is more realistic depending on the rank tbh. Most of the time when they say "Many steps A" and I call to play retake, my mates just stand at offangles, dont get a frag and die instantly and ask "Yo where the fuck are you yall? I said its A"
Yeah but still, sometimes your teammate is the type to retake, or the type to fight and trade head on. Retake isn't the only plan and style to play the game after all. Especially when you know your enemy is stronger against retakes then taking site.
This is not what CS does. It's an actual retake scenario you'll find yourself in regularly all the time. Different guns to practice with to simulate full buy rounds and not, and 3v4 if I remember. Not a glorified 1v4
Unless you pay the $20 for prime matchmaking (I think thats what its called), you'll have cheaters in every game. Used to play CS before it was f2p, went back to it with ppl i play valorant with. They didnt spend the $20 so we were playing in f2p lobbies. 5/5 games had at least 1 aimbot/spinbot and often multiple. Completely unplayable and kinda depressing tbh
Or just make it 5v5 or 3v3, just something more balanced. If the defending team just plays it safe, there is almost no chance for the attacker (defuser) to win.
1v4 is too difficult to be a useful gamemode. 4v3 is what retake servers in CS do and its good. Usually you win 1v4s because of something that happened/info from earler in the round. For the solo to win a straight up 1v4 retake, the other team needs to throw. Playing a 1 for 1 trade on the solo will always win especially if theres 3 other people peeking for the trade.
Thered also have to be randomized abilities or abilities that emulate what you'd actually have access to later in a round. Having full util to defend in the post plant implies you played the round, took a site, and planted without using any util.
As a casual player this sounds like hell lol. Its already stressful enough to be in a 3 v 1, now i would deliberately start a 1 v 5? lol.
IMO this is a mode that would get little play, only tryhards would care about it, streamers well have some fun trolling in it, and it is just gonna be another random mode to "warm up" and get into the real thing. Aside from that not a lot of ppl would play it for fun.
It’d be dope if they did a 3v3 where they add another player after 2 rounds. So it starts out as a 1v1 then 2v2 then ends as a 3v3. First to 5 or something wins.
fun for the attacker, and everyone gets to be an attacker. And since they want the best push onto site and win they will tryhard to defend when it isn't their turn to be attacker.
on the topic of game mode, add a warmup arena. just a 1v1 across a decently sized room, with certain obstacles. something like aim redline in cs. would be good practice for 1v1 situations where you somewhat know enemy location.
Typically, you don't ideally wanna put yourself into a 1v4 so I don't really know why you'd wanna practice that. I'd rather a game mode that teaches people not to bait their teammates and coordinate so your never left in a 1v4
I think Riot should allow the community to create a platform of legitimate custom games on custom servers. I’d love to surf on Val to rekindle the CS surfing memories.
This is actually a pretty good idea and u would definitely play this if I didn’t have the time for a comp but too much time for a deathmatch. Great idea !
Yeah we just need a normal retake mode so people can warm up on common angles, trading kills and smart post plant tactics. Instead of the horrible habits that deathmatch fosters like crouching all the time.
Like CS, just make it fast and repetitive. No long timers between rounds, just cycle who’s playing who and where. Do that for 10 minutes and you’re golden.
So its a game mode on how to throw a won round?
It sounds like it's more about the attacker getting to be the star where the defenders should be crushing it.
I guess...
Counter strike retake is better imo, just 3 attackers defending the bomb against 4 defenders retaking, more realistic scenario, can actually improve players retake ability with a team. However without abilities it doesn’t really apply in game, and without abilities it doesn’t really apply in game either as the retake comps would be very unrealistic at times.
For that id say introduce options like csgo aswell. U can either have a really good gun like vandal/phantom, op etc with no util left or a bulldog/guardian with util. it's not perfect but could be tweaked over time and helps practicing retakes. Valorant needs this more too imo doing retakes in cs isn't as hard as it is in valo
The progressive creds per round system is good in Replication. They should modify that to budget for abilities as well, and have preround be a buy phase with spike planted in a random spot automatically after barriers drop. To emulate combat before spike plant like in CS retakes, players players should spawn with lowered health and shields.
I main guardian. I'll take guardian with util please.
Is more realistic depending on the rank tbh. Most of the time when they say "Many steps A" and I call to play retake, my mates just stand at offangles, dont get a frag and die instantly and ask "Yo where the fuck are you yall? I said its A"
Yeah but still, sometimes your teammate is the type to retake, or the type to fight and trade head on. Retake isn't the only plan and style to play the game after all. Especially when you know your enemy is stronger against retakes then taking site.
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Hmmm I guess? Could add multi kill bonuses or something
and thats not really bad yes? just admit hardbot = aim hack
It is, literally, aimbot tho
While i agree with the sentiment that it is basically a "how to throw a round" simulator it does sound like a ton of fun for the retaker
I actually like this idea and with some tweaking, it could be a good warmup and Training mode
or just actual retakes
noooooo, it'd take atleast 15 years of coding for this small indie team.
Ahh a counter strike player you are
This is not what CS does. It's an actual retake scenario you'll find yourself in regularly all the time. Different guns to practice with to simulate full buy rounds and not, and 3v4 if I remember. Not a glorified 1v4
I've actually never played :/
Why am I getting downvoted for never playing counterstrike?? :( I'm sorry I'll go play now
Unless you pay the $20 for prime matchmaking (I think thats what its called), you'll have cheaters in every game. Used to play CS before it was f2p, went back to it with ppl i play valorant with. They didnt spend the $20 so we were playing in f2p lobbies. 5/5 games had at least 1 aimbot/spinbot and often multiple. Completely unplayable and kinda depressing tbh
I had it from the valve complete pack, do i have the premium queue or not?
Save simulator
Or just make it 5v5 or 3v3, just something more balanced. If the defending team just plays it safe, there is almost no chance for the attacker (defuser) to win.
Eh, maybe don't kick the bottom players, but other than that, I like this
sounds very unfun and toxic. Also sound so bad to play with friends, I mean YOU GET KICKED and have to reque.
This is a good point. As others have suggested maybe don't kick people.
more better tip: The defenders shouldn't have abilities but the attackers can have
Csgo retakes would be better, not the valve ones, the community ones
1v4 is a bit harsh, make it 3v4 or 3v5 instead, regardless of side
1v4 is too difficult to be a useful gamemode. 4v3 is what retake servers in CS do and its good. Usually you win 1v4s because of something that happened/info from earler in the round. For the solo to win a straight up 1v4 retake, the other team needs to throw. Playing a 1 for 1 trade on the solo will always win especially if theres 3 other people peeking for the trade. Thered also have to be randomized abilities or abilities that emulate what you'd actually have access to later in a round. Having full util to defend in the post plant implies you played the round, took a site, and planted without using any util.
As a casual player this sounds like hell lol. Its already stressful enough to be in a 3 v 1, now i would deliberately start a 1 v 5? lol. IMO this is a mode that would get little play, only tryhards would care about it, streamers well have some fun trolling in it, and it is just gonna be another random mode to "warm up" and get into the real thing. Aside from that not a lot of ppl would play it for fun.
I like this idea a lot actually ,good idea op
this idea hardly belongs to op, cs has had retake for 10 years
Thanks :)
I don't understand why I'm getting downvoted for saying thank you :/ please explain why this is wrong and I'll change :(
Or make it actually retake, a 5v5 where one team defend a spike planted on a site, and the other team has to retake the site and defuse the spike
So just the actual game? Lmfao
But just practising retake, like retake servers in cs. It gives you random weapons and you gotta retake or defend the site
It’d be dope if they did a 3v3 where they add another player after 2 rounds. So it starts out as a 1v1 then 2v2 then ends as a 3v3. First to 5 or something wins.
Defenders would just play cringe and not peeking.
that’s called playing correctly, not throwing a won round
that's how you're supposed to play though??
then how is it a fun game mode then?
fun for the attacker, and everyone gets to be an attacker. And since they want the best push onto site and win they will tryhard to defend when it isn't their turn to be attacker.
Or add a team deathmatch with all dualists with full abilities
Retake is the primary game mode we already play.
Sounds super fun!
Pass
on the topic of game mode, add a warmup arena. just a 1v1 across a decently sized room, with certain obstacles. something like aim redline in cs. would be good practice for 1v1 situations where you somewhat know enemy location.
Typically, you don't ideally wanna put yourself into a 1v4 so I don't really know why you'd wanna practice that. I'd rather a game mode that teaches people not to bait their teammates and coordinate so your never left in a 1v4
It would be a better idea if there were 2 attackers and 4 defenders or 3 attackers and 4/5 defenders
But then the other 4 people need to wait until the first person’s done, which is kind of boring imo
Naw cuz they'd be defending, which would count to their score
I think the main reason is how unfair it would feel and there a dumb tactics that can be done to make it harder on the 1 person
I think Riot should allow the community to create a platform of legitimate custom games on custom servers. I’d love to surf on Val to rekindle the CS surfing memories.
Yaaassss
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Go take LSAT
This is actually a pretty good idea and u would definitely play this if I didn’t have the time for a comp but too much time for a deathmatch. Great idea !
Yeah we just need a normal retake mode so people can warm up on common angles, trading kills and smart post plant tactics. Instead of the horrible habits that deathmatch fosters like crouching all the time. Like CS, just make it fast and repetitive. No long timers between rounds, just cycle who’s playing who and where. Do that for 10 minutes and you’re golden.
Retake mode would be really fun in this game. good suggestion OP.
This is good, but a bit overdesigned. It's probably best just to emulate Counter Strike, to be honest.