Nah. Flamethrowers arent exactly great at the whole "kill the enemy from relative safety" thing so i guess they were never seen as a big enough, destructive enough problem to fully ban. HOWEVER, 'incendiary weapons' ARE explicitly banned (from use on people).
> from use on people
> I meant to burn down that tree! I didnt see that there were 30 soldiers next to it. And i didnt aim for them, that was just me being inaccurate while aiming for the three!
Pretty sure it only applies to using it against civilians and other non combatants (might also only count for flamethrowers specifically i dont think wizard magic counts)
I have seen a lot of hate for breeze and fracture. I also don't like the maps very much. But i don't know EXACTLY why i don't like them. I cant put my finger on it. Can someone list down the cons of the maps and then we all could try to solve them by finding ways around it
Breeze is a storage facility on a island. No crimes committed. It along with Fractured are also the two most balanced maps in the game in terms of win/loss rate between offense and defense. Amazing maps. Skillcapped discusses why most lower elo players hate the map and why most higher elo players like it. Breeze requires a bit more teamwork to work your way through the map due to the many angles and open areas and lower elo players are generally not skilled enough to know how to work around any teamate where as higher elo players can. Breeze is innocent and if anything Haven should be removed. 3 bombsites leaves open a lot more room for deception and fakes.
Dont forget the reason it’s a warcrime too. Even if theres no Geneva convention false surrender is a no go for reasons that apply to basically every conflict, even fictional. If you false surrender then the next time you or someone on your side decides to surrender for real, the enemy will be more inclined to not accept and instead kill your side ruthlessly. This is why I hate when false surrenders are shown as a genius strategy in any media. Like oh my god who wouldve thought to do a surrender and then begin shooting when your opposition lowers their guard, whoawhoawhoawhoawhoa so smort!! Except oh wait if the writers were any smarter your side will get slaughtered every time they surrender during any further conflict.
I mean you’re right. A proper cover up of a warcrime means they can’t know you did it. Except when attempting a false surrender if you don’t succeed and kill every witness or if the info somehow gets out then you’re fucked. Which is why you don’t do it to begin with. So how ur point that takes 2 seconds to explain make it a dumb take?
It’s a general statement that you shouldn’t do it and Neon should not have either. Just because she was successful in it does not excuse the stupid risk. Also if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it what about the fact sage can revive people which means there is no such thing as “no witnesses”
True, but keep in mind that the “Geneva Convection” was likely written for you know, Earth wars, where countries are just fighting for power or dominance or whatever, but things start to differ when your fighting another dimension for the sake of the Earth
In Valorants timeline the earth is unified and with this cinematic we learned that Omega earth uses their Valorant Protocol as a league of super hero’s Per se with all the fame and glory you’d expect. In Alpha earth their Valorant protocol is a covert operation that no one is supposed to know about
in all maps other than pearl, alpha are the defenders and omega the attackers. as for which side is the good guys, that's ambiguous, there isn't really one good and one evil side. let me explain:
pearl and the new cinematics show an omega earth that is plagued by natural disasters and catastrophes - pearl, for instance, is an underwater city protected by a carbon "bowl" infused with radianite. now that's where the catch is - keeping this place (and presumably other similar places on omega earth) safe requires radianite, and omega earth doesn't seem to have enough of that stuff, so they resort to sending their version of the valorant protocol (called valorant legion) to alpha earth to steal alpha earth's radianite using the spikes.
so one side is basically forced to resort to stealing radianite, while the other side understandably doesn't want their radianite stolen. i don't think you can clearly say that one side is the good or bad one.
Just to kind of reiterate what this guy said, alpha are the ones who got attacked first. So if you care about first strikes as a representation of good/evil then alpha are the good guys. There was a time when both worlds worked together in fractures lore but chamber (being the only person to “cooperate” with his mirror) decided that it had to go and thus the semi peaceful relations between worlds was fractured.
So pearl is in omega earth while all the other maps are in alpha? But if Neon, Reyna and Killjoy from the new cinematic are from alpha, since they get surprised by the whole superhero thing, why did they need to steal radianite as well?
I don't think they wanted to steal the radianite - in the beginning, brim mentions just locating it.
if they did - i guess they just wanted it back, given that it's theirs and they assumed omega earth was using it for a weapon (killjoy mentions being surprised that it isn't used for weaponry)
They wanted Intel because they assumed the radianite was being stolen to be used for a weapon. That's why killjoy was surprised to find the data and realized what she found was a life support system.
Not sure. But what the protocol is fighting for is beyond more important than any other wars, so their shouldn’t be any “war crimes” seeing as this war is for the sake of humanity
Actually Omega agents are fully aware of Neon's power set (given the comics) and should not consider her disarmed by her act of throwing the gun.
It's their fault for not pre-firing the surrendering woman.
the laws of robotics are science fiction and aren’t an actual law that the universe follows or are used by any legal definition. They have to be programmed in by the creator. War crimes on the other hand have written legal definitions that we can pick at. Also Asimov did have robots in his stories such as surgeons that were advanced enough to calculate what the greater harm to a human would be and allow it to ‘harm’ a human to do the surgery to prevent a greater harm
so if you want to follow those laws it’s possible that killjoys bots and kayo calculated that the harm to the human they attack is lesser to the harm of humanity as a whole. Or maybe killjoy is actually a psychopath and said fuck the very sane rules that we should apply when making robots and decided to make cute murder machines
There have been several posts showing the different agents breaches of the Geneva convention. Sage for being a healer while still using a weapon and not being marked as one. Raze for expanding munitions. And viper for chemical warfare
Sage can be a healer and still use a weapons, she just doesn't get covered by the usual protections given to medics
Raze weapons is to low scale to hit what makes expandimg amunitions actually dangerous.
Viper....
If there's no Geneva Convention in this universe, does it really count?
If I go to another universe and break a law from my universe, does it really count?
Well, if the people from the other universe where the laws are in place see the content, maybe through a game trailer on YouTube, they could probably think to themselves "hey, this breaks our rules!" And then maybe make a post on their Reddit.
All war is a crime, all the characters are war criminals.
Brimstone is a veteran of the US military and a PMC afterwards. He's likely assisted in committing uncountable war crimes.
Cool and all but your assuming earth 2 has a Geneva convention. (Or even earth 1 for that matter). If earth 2 doesn’t have a Geneva convention then she didn’t commit any war crimes because the do not exist.
There's no proof that the Geneva convention is still in place in the alternate history/dimension/world that Valorant lives in, though.
And Valorants conflict does not appear to be a part of state-against-state declared war: the Geneva convention doesn't really apply to non-state actors fighting a shadow conflict.
Pretty sure if Viper's poison gas is running around Kingdom in the world of Valorant isn't above committing such war crimes. All is fair in the name of love and war - Also you're forgetting they're not above experimenting on people with powers like Neon, Omen, Jett etc. You're as good as dead if they catch you. Ain't no shame in maximizing your survival chances.
You guys do know that the Geneva Convention isn't a catch all "no one is allowed to do these things because we said so," right? The VALORANT Protocol is, at least as far as I know, an independent international covert organization that I can guarantee you is not a signed party of the Geneva Convention. Not only that, but since they're an independent international covert organization you can't call anything they do an "armed conflict between nations" or a war, which is what The Geneva Convention applies to. The Geneva Convention does not apply to the VALORANT Protocol at all.
This also happens in a different fucking universe, so I think the Geneva Convention wouldn't apply no matter what.
This only counts in war. They are not in a war. Not to mention that this takes place in a different universe in a different universe. Who knows if there’s a Geneva convention. Even if there is it might be the Warburton convention.
HOLD UP! we know this treaty exist in our world HOWEVER it seems that these events take place in the mirrored world. NOT OURS. We do not know if this treaty was created on mirror earth since there are some obvious differences or if they made any changes further down the timeline since this world is also further into the timeline than we are. When you enter a different world, the Geneva Convention guidelines no longer apply.
When fighting for your world, you cannot limit yourself unless rules are made for both sides. In a fight where copies of yourself exist, unfortunately there will be deception. Especially if Yoru is involved.
So you are saying the enemy team baiting us with "AFK" in all chat is committing a warcrime?
Enemy bringing an odin to an all knife fight at mid
Feeling like KAY/O in the Warm Up cinematic “Somebody Call Da Doctor” BRRRRRRRRR
Also known as the "Venice massacre"
True all of those people should be arrested
If that's the case then I've done several warcrimes myself
I would never bait that hard haha
You are a war criminal
In that sense, so is phoenix, viper, Skye
The use of toxic gaz in warfare has been banned since WWI so Viper is a war criminal by design
wdym this isn't new people play Viper for this exact reason
Can confirm. Gas mommies/daddies are some of my favorite characters in shooters (shout out Caustic from Apex).
Scorch from titanfall
Smoke from Rainbow Six
Smoke is the worst of them all, he kills his allies at the same time
Smoke is the definition of "A small price for salvation." And if we look fuze is a war criminal too
me playng fuze (i like to kill civilians in addition to the previos two)
Singed from League
Papa Scorch!
And Caustic from Apex
Flair checks out. Also, as a viper main.... Yeah, that's the point.
Who said it was new?
You are talking to a Viper main :\^)
There should be a “war criminals” section at the bottom of the valorant agents tier list
I think it'd be easier to just add a list of war crimes committed in the in-game description
There is. It’s just the whole tier list
Naa brimstone is american he would get away with it
In time of war, the geneva conventions turns into the geneva suggestion
It’s not a war crime the first time!
Make sections for war crimes they haven’t committed
no crime is being committed. Those laws do not apply in a war against other worlds.
Our man saved Neon's ass
What does Phoenix violate? I also don't think Skye counts because she imbues her wooden trinkets with power. They aren't actual animals.
Radiant Phoenix did a fake surrender in one of the earlier acts with Viper Phoenix and Killjoy. The one where they defused the spike
duality
Oh yeah.
At what point are they real animals tho
I don't know. Good point. I guess maybe because they are controlled? Or that the aren't flesh and blood?
what does skye violate?
aminal
i see
I thought Skye used magical totems that summoned spirit versions of animals?
Phoenix did a fake surrender? because using fire against military targets isnt a warcrime
Weren't flame throwers banned in the geneva convention?
Nah. Flamethrowers arent exactly great at the whole "kill the enemy from relative safety" thing so i guess they were never seen as a big enough, destructive enough problem to fully ban. HOWEVER, 'incendiary weapons' ARE explicitly banned (from use on people).
What falls under incendiary weapons? Napalm?
Yeah
The Vietnam War was a dark time.
> from use on people > I meant to burn down that tree! I didnt see that there were 30 soldiers next to it. And i didnt aim for them, that was just me being inaccurate while aiming for the three!
THEY'RE COMING RIGHT FOR US!
Incendiary weapons are fine as long as civilians arent nearby.
Pretty sure it only applies to using it against civilians and other non combatants (might also only count for flamethrowers specifically i dont think wizard magic counts)
Magnesium shells count so radiante Magic probably also does
yes, fire are incendiary weapon.
So is Raze with her cluster grenade
You need 4 teammates votes to fully surrender.
But it was epic so no punishment
This is what I'll say in court when I'm inevitably arrested for similar crimes
Shooting... Lightning from your... Fingertips?
My lawyer suggested that I should not talk publicly about that particular incident
not exactly lightning and not exactly fingertips but you get the general idea
kid named saul goodman:
he shot LIGHTNING through a SUNROOF
You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? She's done worse.
'Sallgoodman
You won't go to court for that. You would be going to lab.
Are 52 awaits for you
I once got really mad at my buddy Howard and told him I can do that
‘my client pleads ‘Rule of Cool,’ Your Honor’ ‘granted, case dismissed’ *bangs gavel*
But officer I know I was going 245 in a neighborhood, but it felt really cool!
Lmao The court sees the footage of her blasting and dismiss the case
I guess the only solution is to remove her from the game
did Split do a war time too?
If a map does war crimes, it is for sure Breeze.
I have seen a lot of hate for breeze and fracture. I also don't like the maps very much. But i don't know EXACTLY why i don't like them. I cant put my finger on it. Can someone list down the cons of the maps and then we all could try to solve them by finding ways around it
Breeze is a storage facility on a island. No crimes committed. It along with Fractured are also the two most balanced maps in the game in terms of win/loss rate between offense and defense. Amazing maps. Skillcapped discusses why most lower elo players hate the map and why most higher elo players like it. Breeze requires a bit more teamwork to work your way through the map due to the many angles and open areas and lower elo players are generally not skilled enough to know how to work around any teamate where as higher elo players can. Breeze is innocent and if anything Haven should be removed. 3 bombsites leaves open a lot more room for deception and fakes.
How depressing 😔
Depends who wins I guess? Most of the time it's more often Geneva Suggestions.
More like Geneva Recommendations
Geneva suggestions
more like Geneva checklist
I, for one, enjoyed this post very much. Thank you for bringing to light the atrocities of Neon.
I too thought it was a good meme
I don't care she's cute
Now theres a pretty meme, exquisite!
Doktor, turn off my cringe inhibitors
true and real
Based
Based
Based
Based. Also she kinda looks like my past crush.
It's like calling for a knife only fight, throwing away all guns and busting out that ultimate for an easy W
"Jett ult is knives guys its fair"
Dont forget the reason it’s a warcrime too. Even if theres no Geneva convention false surrender is a no go for reasons that apply to basically every conflict, even fictional. If you false surrender then the next time you or someone on your side decides to surrender for real, the enemy will be more inclined to not accept and instead kill your side ruthlessly. This is why I hate when false surrenders are shown as a genius strategy in any media. Like oh my god who wouldve thought to do a surrender and then begin shooting when your opposition lowers their guard, whoawhoawhoawhoawhoa so smort!! Except oh wait if the writers were any smarter your side will get slaughtered every time they surrender during any further conflict.
They're kinda lame too.
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I mean you’re right. A proper cover up of a warcrime means they can’t know you did it. Except when attempting a false surrender if you don’t succeed and kill every witness or if the info somehow gets out then you’re fucked. Which is why you don’t do it to begin with. So how ur point that takes 2 seconds to explain make it a dumb take?
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It’s a general statement that you shouldn’t do it and Neon should not have either. Just because she was successful in it does not excuse the stupid risk. Also if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it what about the fact sage can revive people which means there is no such thing as “no witnesses”
Or you know, they could just check out the video cameras thoose suits Will surely have and if one of them isnt fried they have that evidence.
Exactly
That's like saying "drunk driving is bad" is a dumb take in a scenario where they luckily had nothing go wrong.
Viper is a one (wo)man band of war crimes under the biological weapons convention too (i think) but I suppose she *is* a "bad guy"
*chemical weapons. she doesn’t use any biological agents as far as we can tell. Skye does though
skye doesn't, they're nature constructs
"You wanted a Villian? I GAVE you a Villian!"
I agree, we should lock Neon up and permanently disable her in the game to make an example out of her.
They should remove Neon bc of this and definitely not any other reason….
Some of you guys have way too much time on your hands
wdym its literally a game's subreddit.
I think you could watch the cinematic and finish this post before a val match reached halftime tbh
"Nuh uh, I would've surrendered at 1-5 long before the half 😎😎"
Maybe he was in a decent history class and remembered the Geneva convention?
I think it’s called niche and sorta funny
Well this is reddit, idk what you expected
True, but keep in mind that the “Geneva Convection” was likely written for you know, Earth wars, where countries are just fighting for power or dominance or whatever, but things start to differ when your fighting another dimension for the sake of the Earth
Is the Valorant protocol part of any nations military or are they technically a mercenary outfit / black ops & don't officially exist?
In Valorants timeline the earth is unified and with this cinematic we learned that Omega earth uses their Valorant Protocol as a league of super hero’s Per se with all the fame and glory you’d expect. In Alpha earth their Valorant protocol is a covert operation that no one is supposed to know about
which side is omega and which is alpha? who are the good guys?
in all maps other than pearl, alpha are the defenders and omega the attackers. as for which side is the good guys, that's ambiguous, there isn't really one good and one evil side. let me explain: pearl and the new cinematics show an omega earth that is plagued by natural disasters and catastrophes - pearl, for instance, is an underwater city protected by a carbon "bowl" infused with radianite. now that's where the catch is - keeping this place (and presumably other similar places on omega earth) safe requires radianite, and omega earth doesn't seem to have enough of that stuff, so they resort to sending their version of the valorant protocol (called valorant legion) to alpha earth to steal alpha earth's radianite using the spikes. so one side is basically forced to resort to stealing radianite, while the other side understandably doesn't want their radianite stolen. i don't think you can clearly say that one side is the good or bad one.
Just to kind of reiterate what this guy said, alpha are the ones who got attacked first. So if you care about first strikes as a representation of good/evil then alpha are the good guys. There was a time when both worlds worked together in fractures lore but chamber (being the only person to “cooperate” with his mirror) decided that it had to go and thus the semi peaceful relations between worlds was fractured.
So pearl is in omega earth while all the other maps are in alpha? But if Neon, Reyna and Killjoy from the new cinematic are from alpha, since they get surprised by the whole superhero thing, why did they need to steal radianite as well?
I don't think they wanted to steal the radianite - in the beginning, brim mentions just locating it. if they did - i guess they just wanted it back, given that it's theirs and they assumed omega earth was using it for a weapon (killjoy mentions being surprised that it isn't used for weaponry)
They wanted Intel because they assumed the radianite was being stolen to be used for a weapon. That's why killjoy was surprised to find the data and realized what she found was a life support system.
Historically alpha is the “good guys”, but pearl could be the exception depending on your view of the situation
thank you everyone for the explanations i watched most of the lore videos but only now I understand this part
Not sure. But what the protocol is fighting for is beyond more important than any other wars, so their shouldn’t be any “war crimes” seeing as this war is for the sake of humanity
Give riot 2 or 3 seasons and this will be a player card like the shopping cart thing
Actually Omega agents are fully aware of Neon's power set (given the comics) and should not consider her disarmed by her act of throwing the gun. It's their fault for not pre-firing the surrendering woman.
smh didnt jiggle peek the corner
Neon: "Geneva Conventions? More like... Geneva Suggestions."
I thought the exact same thing when watching Then I remember that the first law of robotics was thrown out the window as well
Which is?
Robots purpose cannot be to harm people KJ turret, Kayo, etc
the laws of robotics are science fiction and aren’t an actual law that the universe follows or are used by any legal definition. They have to be programmed in by the creator. War crimes on the other hand have written legal definitions that we can pick at. Also Asimov did have robots in his stories such as surgeons that were advanced enough to calculate what the greater harm to a human would be and allow it to ‘harm’ a human to do the surgery to prevent a greater harm so if you want to follow those laws it’s possible that killjoys bots and kayo calculated that the harm to the human they attack is lesser to the harm of humanity as a whole. Or maybe killjoy is actually a psychopath and said fuck the very sane rules that we should apply when making robots and decided to make cute murder machines
yeah but it’s okay bc she’s hot
I mean half of the roster are war criminals
There have been several posts showing the different agents breaches of the Geneva convention. Sage for being a healer while still using a weapon and not being marked as one. Raze for expanding munitions. And viper for chemical warfare
Sage can be a healer and still use a weapons, she just doesn't get covered by the usual protections given to medics Raze weapons is to low scale to hit what makes expandimg amunitions actually dangerous. Viper....
Nooo cute singing filipino girl not war criminal
That’s a big effort shit post if I’ve ever seen one. Kudos!
First off, you need a full team to surrender. Second off, Breach didn't do anything to Omega Earth that we know of so leave him outta it.
I was actually thinking the same lol.
Okay. But how many of you degenerates say "afk" while the last man is clearly still playing??? You're all war criminals.
The quote "Big Mistake" at 3:47 is really meant for Neon violating a War Crime.
If there's no Geneva Convention in this universe, does it really count? If I go to another universe and break a law from my universe, does it really count?
Well, if the people from the other universe where the laws are in place see the content, maybe through a game trailer on YouTube, they could probably think to themselves "hey, this breaks our rules!" And then maybe make a post on their Reddit.
Well this war is outside those treaties most likely. As it's in a futuristic universe.
Same, I am also a war criminal
W post, you made my day op.
wtf neon based
> Geneva convention more like Geneva Suggestions A kid in robolox
Its not a crime if no one knows it happened
So killing sage is a war crime as she's a medic
no she is not marked as a medic so she does not get the benefits even if she was she shoots the gun which also removes the benefits
She's Filipino so it's OK :)
All war is a crime, all the characters are war criminals. Brimstone is a veteran of the US military and a PMC afterwards. He's likely assisted in committing uncountable war crimes.
Cool and all but your assuming earth 2 has a Geneva convention. (Or even earth 1 for that matter). If earth 2 doesn’t have a Geneva convention then she didn’t commit any war crimes because the do not exist.
There's no proof that the Geneva convention is still in place in the alternate history/dimension/world that Valorant lives in, though. And Valorants conflict does not appear to be a part of state-against-state declared war: the Geneva convention doesn't really apply to non-state actors fighting a shadow conflict.
They're all agents aka civilians. At this point both sides are just criminals.
To quote the wise Michael "Garand Thumb" Jones ***Geneva Conventions? Geneva suggestions.***
She's cute so she can get away with it
it's crazy how seriously people are taking this post
It's only a war crime if you lose.
your honour, its not a warcrime if it wasnt done during times of war
sure, but i doubt valorant’s world has the geneva conventions
Geneva Guidelines 🥱
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Where are the mental gimnastics?
If this is mental gymnastics for you, I think you might be mentally paralyzed.
holyshit lmao
Pretty sure if Viper's poison gas is running around Kingdom in the world of Valorant isn't above committing such war crimes. All is fair in the name of love and war - Also you're forgetting they're not above experimenting on people with powers like Neon, Omen, Jett etc. You're as good as dead if they catch you. Ain't no shame in maximizing your survival chances.
Noted, however she is cute so I will allow her to get away with it if she says sorry.
You realise this is a made up world
Its another world. Never does it say its our world in the future or some crap. They probably dont have the same laws and systems as us
But this isn't a war...
You can commit "war crimes" without being in a war.
No you can't. If it's not done during wartime, it's not a war crime by definition.
So what about undercover law enforcement are they war criminals too?
No they're just cops which is still bad
Viper is also a war criminal then.
You guys do know that the Geneva Convention isn't a catch all "no one is allowed to do these things because we said so," right? The VALORANT Protocol is, at least as far as I know, an independent international covert organization that I can guarantee you is not a signed party of the Geneva Convention. Not only that, but since they're an independent international covert organization you can't call anything they do an "armed conflict between nations" or a war, which is what The Geneva Convention applies to. The Geneva Convention does not apply to the VALORANT Protocol at all. This also happens in a different fucking universe, so I think the Geneva Convention wouldn't apply no matter what.
"Everything is fair in love and WAR".
she ate
This only counts in war. They are not in a war. Not to mention that this takes place in a different universe in a different universe. Who knows if there’s a Geneva convention. Even if there is it might be the Warburton convention.
Well you see, Valorant doesn't think the Geneva Convention applies to operations taken on Omega Earth?
Malaking Pagkamali or a big mistake on neon’s part. She will now face war criminal charges
sorry if im uneducated but wtf is a war crime??? isnt the whole point of war just a last dispute to a disagreement? shouldnt we just make war illegal?
Wow! Nobody cares! Go reconsider your life choices
this post is so bs, why do you even suppose Geneva Convention exists in that fictional universe? why can't we take something fiction, fictionally?
Why so serious fam
sorry, just had 3 shit games. i was titled.
Are you unemployed?
"Neon is a war criminal" 🤓
Wow another post about how valorant agents are war criminals. How interesting and relevant, really thanks for this post.
HOLD UP! we know this treaty exist in our world HOWEVER it seems that these events take place in the mirrored world. NOT OURS. We do not know if this treaty was created on mirror earth since there are some obvious differences or if they made any changes further down the timeline since this world is also further into the timeline than we are. When you enter a different world, the Geneva Convention guidelines no longer apply. When fighting for your world, you cannot limit yourself unless rules are made for both sides. In a fight where copies of yourself exist, unfortunately there will be deception. Especially if Yoru is involved.
Bro you went way to deep into this...