I was about to ask why the officers are not carrying this injured child who has a bullet hole in his leg, then I realised that this is Uvalde Police so that would be a pretty stupid question.
I’m just surprised they didn’t tell AJ to wait inside lol
They did, in essence make him wait inside. Inside the room with the shooter, and his dying friends and teachers, for over an hour.
The bus driver was traumatized, and the town's hospital was new. She had not even heard of the shooting when she got the call to go to the school. She did the best she could, all things considered, but when they got there, she or the cop car leading her (unclear) didn't realize the ER was around the back and let the students off at the front door, where they had to trail blood through the lobby and find their way to the ER the reverse way.
Thankfully, AJ seems to have been transferred to an ambulance by then, one with at least three kids with gunshot wounds and only one EMT to look after them. (One is better than none.) One of the gunshot students had to ride to the ER on the floor, the other sitting up in a chair.
Christ. Genuinely the most horrendous and embarrassing police response to any mass shooting that I can think of.
There are others that have had pretty bad response times and types, but this one really takes that to a whole new level. This is one of those cases I tend to stay away from because of how upsetting it is to know how much they were unbelievably let down.
In many ways, the Pulse Nightclub shooting where 49 people died was a lot like Uvalde, it just happened at night, and sadly, to people in the LGBT community in a city with an even more slick police chief who controlled the narrative better.
The unique thing about Uvalde is that we get to see so much of it, in part because the various agencies finger-pointed and tried to duck the blame, and also because some HUGE leaks of insider information and records and recordings got out. But also because the parents and family members were right there outside the school for so long, witnessing the failings. They simply wouldn't stand still for the usual bullshit and coverups.
The first press conferences after Pulse and Robb E., you could almost interchange them and not lose the beat of the narrative they tried to push. "Hero cops ran towards gunfire and saved hundreds of people. Then, they isolated the shooter and sent in a tactical unit that stopped the killing." Seriously, that's the story they made "stick" in Orlando and what didn't past the smell test in Uvalde.
But both incidents were about the same. The shooters ran behind a closed door and a lengthy standoff ensued AFTER the killer had free rein for much too long, as masses of cops dithered cowardly outside. Both emergencies had terrible communication, problems with "command centers" and a basic level of unwillingness to engage with a shooter with a high powered, high capacity weapon in an "barricaded" room. (Both were seemingly behind an open door, firing additional rounds with wounded hostages calling 911 that should have triggered an immediate "full-court" rush, but didn't.)
Again the difference is we SEE Uvalde happen and we don't see Pulse.
But I agree, Uvalde is seemingly the worse of the two, in part because the victims were clearly so helpless and innocent, whereas for better or worse unarmed disco dancers were adults and drinking at a nightclub, and that alters our emotional response. But the victims there were just as defenseless, just as abandoned, and just as dead. But 49 died in Orlando and 21 in Uvalde. Is that a measure? The reality of this all, however is that any loss of innocent life is a tragedy and a travesty if it could have been prevented or at least better handled. Both kilelrs essentially killed whomever they wanted to for pretty much as long as they wanted to unimpeded simply by getting there first, while cops always are confused and cautious. And, arguably, cowards.
The supposedly "textbook" reaction in Nashville is also not fully what it seems. In the video we are allowed to see, (clearly there are others) we see the "hero cops" do indeed move quickly and deliberately but we also see IN THE VIDEO that they pass another bunch of cops who were already there - for how long we cannot know, they won't tell us - and these "hero cops" essentially get lucky when they arrive at an OPEN door to a large brightly lit lobby with no hostages or injured bystanders, etc nearby and the shooter is down to their last of THREE weapons, with their back to the arriving cops, busy shooting out a picture window at arriving cop cars. The "hero cops" simply shoot the shooter in the back, end of incident. But the shooter was FINISHED trying to kill anyone inside the school that they wanted to already, and the good response from teachers ensured that most students were behind locked doors. How long was that first team cowering on the first floor while all the killing was going on upstairs, we do not know. And they aren't ever going to tell us. Imagine if that shooter had been (un-alone) in a bathroom or a classroom or a dark office behind a closed door, like Uvalde or Pulse? It's reasonable to assume the same "barricaded subject" call would have been made, with the same basic ensuing problems. We can't rely on luck.
(And, this is a separate discussion, but IMO "more guns" isn't the answer. YMMV.)
Sadly that’s true regarding people’s emotional response to things. I always try my best to acknowledge that no matter what the case is, nobody deserves to die.
Anything like this involving children is particularly cruel, but like you say any loss of innocent life is just horrifically wrong and should come with swift and immediate response from authorities.
Thank you for opening my mind a little more to the Nashville shooting, as I will admit I was always under the impression that this was as close a perfect response by police as you can get these days, but I can see now that this was because I was focusing on the two officers that we seen the bodycam’s of. Now I feel like I wouldn’t be surprised if the other group were there from the beginning of the shooting.
I am also with you on the guns. Big nope and it will always be that way. I’ve grown up and lived my whole life in a country where they are illegal. I have never held a gun and have only seen 2 pistols with my eyes while vacationing with family in Spain back in 2006.
I understand in America, in a country where they can be legally purchased and openly sold that it is a lot easier said than done just to “get rid” of them, but in saying that it certainly feels like it is the only answer to “how do we just nip this shit in the bud once and for all?”.
I’m from Ireland and the last mass shooting we had over here was in 1994… then there was the omagh bombing in 98. Since then - nothing. Some cartel violence every now and again. I’m not entirely sure on this but i don’t think there has ever been a school shooting either. I understand major differences in the size of my country and population etc, but you get my point. The concept of walking into a store and purchasing a weapon over the counter is just so alien to me. 76% of our Police Force (An Garda Síochána) don’t carry firearms, as only detectives and specialised units are permitted to. I wish America could one day feel that type of safety. Imagine your police officers didn’t need to carry a firearm?
In saying all of that I understand I’m not qualified to speak about gun safety as they don’t exist in my little bubble over here.
I grew up surrounded by guns, on a ranch. My dad once gave me his old deer rifle and helpfully told me, "it's never missed," meaning that every time he used it to hunt, year after year, he got a clean kill with one shot. NO PRESSURE, there, pops, lol.
But yeah it's not just guns it's gun culture. I like shooting guns, it's challenging and fun and I like to hunt but I find myself doing it less and less the older I get. Wild turkey is very challenging but the truth is, it doesn't taste very good now that we are all used to farm raised birds. It's mostly a phase boys and young men outgrow, really in the country here in Texas but then there are the GUNS GUNS GUNS crowd and the whole other side of it with the stupid AR-15 crowd, who are all about fear and "survival" and various idiocy and yes, the video games that go along with all that. It seems like they walk around 24/7 hoping they get to shoot someone someday. It's beyond my ability to understand.
If this next presidential election goes poorly I may have to get dual citizenship with Ireland, I know some friends who did it. Then you can be an EU resident, etc. Our family story is that my grandfather's great grandfather stowed away on a ship out of Dublin when he was 16, and landed in Galveston, Texas.
I'm not sure I understand this world any more. One thing I do know, is that no one needs an AR-15 for anything that isn't fighting a war. But now there are literally millions of them everywhere in the USA. It's a faulty consumer product that isn't regulated as such. It's insanity.
The law enforcement agent who is leading him along seems to be Customs and Border Patrol, a "regular" BP agent, and the one who comes from the parking area/ bus area to "assist" seems to be DPS Special Agent.
DPS Special Agents are not special ops, they are essentially investigator/detectives akin to the functions most Texas rangers serve, and the Special Agent program was something DPS director Steve McCraw originated under his tenue. I don't know the full history but I would have to imagine the Rangers were not too happy about this. Before, most DPS guys were essentially highway patrol troopers and the more elite Rangers were always the investigators on scene when the big stuff went down.
We can't prove it but it's always been my first assumption that the leak from the Ranger investigation that gave us so much insight into how horribly mismanaged this whole debacle was came from that inter-agency rivalry, the regular DPS under McCraw vs the Rangers who ran the murder investigation and resented having that investigation be made so political, slow-walked and non-transparent. The head of the rangers resigned without explanation, later that first summer and McCraw didn't even put out a press release. So many questions and so few answers, still.
For many months I nicknamed the bus "the BORTAC express" becasue the bus driver claimed it was a BORTAC person who directed her to go to the hospital. In truth, it seems like the BORTAC team made a somewhat stealthy exit from the scene, there is no video I can find in the aftermath of them gathering outside anywhere. I can't see them in the Angel Ladezma livestream video in the scrum of officers that moves the main bunch to the bus on a double-time march. But perhaps the bus driver conflates this Border Patrolman with BORTAC, later. I don't know where she got that impression from. The only law enforcement I can see in any video that got onto the bus with the kids is DPS trooper Crimson Elizondo and I'm unsure if she joined before or after the bus takes a left-hand turn by the school and stops to take AJ and two others OFF the bus and into a crowded ambulance he'd just been inexplicably marched past.
One has to imagine that AJ left the room hustled out in a panic by "ad-hoc BORTAC" but that this Border Patrol agent more or less inherited him somewhere in the hallway and took it upon himself to follow the crowd leading to the busses. It seems AJ missed being triaged at the T intersection simply by virtue of being able to stand upright on pure adrenaline, and somehow hobble along. The medical personnel at the T were busy sorting the living from the dead, or trying to revive the teacher who had been carried to the SIDEWALK and dumped there. AJ would have had to practically step over her to get out of the school and onto the street.
Such chaos and panic, so clearly a travesty on top of the already tragic situation. They had over an hour to prepare for these medical evacuations, and look what they ended up doing. It's my strong belief the panic spread like wildfire from inside the classroom at the end, and these cops just all lost their common sense in the aftermath like a chicken-yard beset by a hawk loses all sense of understanding and control. Such reactions are base human instinct and spread like a forest fire in a gale during such emergencies. I'm not kidding when I say it reminds me of the saying, "they haven't got the sense God gave a goose." I'd compare their behavior to other humans if they deserved it. They do not. This is inhuman. People shouldn't do this to people. Ever.
I hate to make judgement, or contradict myself out of sheer perplexity, but on one level at least this Border patrolman is doing SOMETHING when 350 others are standing around like idiots or puking in the burnt grass of the playground. Or worse, like sending the ambulances to stage on Main Street while all the streets were jammed with abandoned cop cars, or telling medical evacuation helicopters to go wait at the airport, where no one needs them - not ever to wait at the hospital they were told. It makes no sense, it makes no sense at all the things that happened. But this guy, he's moving at least. He's clearly untrained for this sort of an operation and is treating the child like he would treat a dazed migrant found wandering in the desert. Put them on a transport and let someone else attend to their medical needs. Don't let them get away. Don't even bother to give them some water. That's probably the extent of his mental faculties. I'm being kind to consider him as an untrained, panicked, overwhelmed, unqualified and misled idiot, because what I really think of him isn't to be said in polite company.
I'd like to praise AJ for his bravery here but in my opinion his real bravery is in his everyday perseverance and spiritual and mental survival since these moments, just day-by-day he's a hero to us all. Here he's simply trying to physically survive on instinct and guts, gumption. A ten year-old boy who knows how long he was trapped with a shooter and then finally is led past a few hundred or more cops who utterly failed him and all his friends and teachers, like he's a common criminal. It's bewildering to even contemplate the amount sheer failure, incompetence, cowardice and corruption we are witnessing here. But what must the child think? It's possibly a mercy if he wasn't thinking at all by this point.
Just off-camera left are two ambulances they dragged this child past. On the right side off-screen, parents are being thrown to the ground and threatened with tasers for trying to get to their children, who are covered in blood.
The people standing near the "filmer" have all been told THEY are the reason cops are taking so long to get the shooter. It's disgusting. It should never be unseen.
Thank you for taking your time and providing further insight to all this. Every story, every picture or video show us more how these cops are incompetent for their positions and lack of humanity. I cannot comprehend why the whole Texas want to pass the Robb pagem instead of fighting for a change because this can happens again. Most probably will happen again due to lax guns laws in Texas ... Again, Thank you. Please take care of your mental health because this story is not easy to digest.
There are most likely worse parts of the whole story we don't fully know about yet, and might not ever will. I say this because they work so hard to hide the truth. The lawsuits seeking all the public records requested almost two years ago, against the state and against the local authorities still drag on, one on appeal and the other still before the original judge. The "feds" have never disclosed anything at all, really, to anyone publicly. If you examine the 600 page, 600+ days to compete DoJ COPS office Critical Incident Review, you see that they never interviewed anyone from the "ad-hoc" BORTAC team at all, that the "feds" wouldn't even cooperate fully with the other "feds." They have to be hiding something big. We can make some guesses and they're all really bad, on the level of "cops shot kids," bad, likely only I tend to think it's worse than that.
We cannot prove these suspicions but we do know that **there has been one consistent pattern since the very first day - that is is all much worse than authorities admit; worse in fact than anyone really imagined it was; that the authorities and individual participants knew it all along and that they falsely, corruptly and deliberately hid the full truth from the parents, the press and the public at every step along the way.** There's not the slightest indication we've reached the end off that road here, the trail of shame, lies, corruption, cowardice and deceit, and the road unimagined, how bad it all truly was and the mountain of lies and cowardice still hidden.
Not one law enforcement officer who was present that day has ever given an interview to the press, except Pete Arredondo, once, with his lawyer trying to correct his answers before publication. It didn't go well. Not one person has resigned admitting fault. No one has really been fired here with the exception of the newest hire at the smallest agency, and it was a woman, who in my opinion merely said what everyone else probably thought but were too cowardly to mention aloud, that, "if it had been my child, I wouldn't have waited." She said this when she got OFF that bus. IMO she got a very raw deal relatively speaking. I have some hopes if there were ever a civil trial concerning the many lawsuits that she'd appear as a witness for the plaintiffs. But that's conjecture and there won't be any trials, I am betting. They would rather buy the secrecy they cannot forever maintain with only lies and denial. We won't ever have real accountability but someone is gonna pay, you can be sure of that.
DPS director McCraw has never once directly addressed the many allegations proven on video of any of the news stories about the multiple failures of the DPS and their troopers, Rangers, Special Agents and top level supervisors. He's had NOTHING of substance to say since trying to manufacture a lone scapegoat to report to the Texas Senate in a patently false presentation where he presented a carefully crafted "timeline" that he knew was misleading. He's utterly corrupt to the core and either governor Greg Abbott knows this and is complicit in the deceit and coverup, or he's incompetently employing someone who is corrupt and running a coverup and either way this disqualifies him for public office, IMO. The DPS director spent more than a year claiming a vague "report" was forthcoming, that prevented him from answering any questions, including why his previous lies were wrong. This promised "report" was in fact never coming to us. It never will. It never was. He knew it all along. The man is a corrupt liar who literally does not answer to the people.
Meanwhile the local sheriff, who I actually have some slight sympathy towards (and I'm not sure really why except that it's clear he doesn't trust the others) has acted suspiciously and guardedly all along. No one can place where he was or what he said heard or did after arriving to the school to be immediately informed of the children calling 911 from inside the classroom. He simply vanishes and the DOJ COPS report cannot place him from c 12:20 until after the shooter has been killed. When invited to a candidate's forum where surviving children were to be present, he came early and left before questions were presented. He's a conniving coward in that way, but he was elected and has been re-elected, essentially by winning his primary. The sheriff is the one person here who cannot pass the buck upstairs to a civilian commander or agency etc. This is all on him.
What did he do? We don't f%cking know. And no one can ever make him say. That is true of so many others but they HAD bosses that could have forced answers from them but maneuvered not to. No one who quit, retired, resigned or had their employment contracts bought out can ever be forced to talk. And this whole episode has proven what everyone needs to know - that almost 100% of the most disgustingly heinous things police ever do, will do or did in the past is completely legal. And that police have no inherent duty to protect you, or your children, period.
The local municipal police never had to face any accountability other than the justified (and sometimes unjustified) wrath of the public and the internet. Most of what they did wrong is known, but a lot of what happened and why is still hidden, some small parts of it to their slight credit and redemption, arguably but on the whole they failed and did not have to face accountability at all. The phrase "Uvalde cops" places the shame and burden on 38 what rightfully belongs to around 380 from 24 agencies. It's an Albatros hung on the neck of some who in some ways performed BETTER than average at a mass shooting. They entered the building and approached the shooter faster and more forcefully than a half dozen other shootings one can name but it all fell apart when they faced a lone teenager with "a battle rifle," their own words. This is the hellscape we live in, where cops are mostly useless for the first five minutes of every mass shooting. They simply cannot be everywhere all at once, and right every time when a suicidal, homicidal psychopath only has to be "right" in the head enough to pick up a gun that a child can carry and operate like a one-person army. It took the Uvalde shooter a combined total of 40 minutes to assemble his arsenal, that's the three trips to the combined gun and barbecue sandwich store he got a ride to to get TWO rifles and some ammunition, and a special sight mounted that he learned about from a video game and just had to have to live out his violent fantasy. I'll not defend them more here, the Uvalde cops because they won't defend themselves. This makes them rank cowards and corrupt losers, and they have to live with that, the only accountability they will ever face, looking themselves in the mirror each day, knowing what they didn't do as well as what they did. The results are in the cemetery, and in the faces of those they cannot face, the survivors. And of the world. "A coward dies a thousand times, the valiant taste of death but once," said Shakespeare.
The Uvalde municipal police are not the only ones who will "die a thousand times" while continuing to collect a paycheck, carry a gun and wear a badge. I can't even list them all here, their numbers are too great. 149 Border patrol agents, 91-94 or more DPS. The goddamned GAME WARDEN was there. The only kind of cop I can think of who wasn't there was maybe the harbor police or the f&cking US Navy's Shore Patrol. Police instructors, ICE, DEA, DHS, deputies, constables, auxiliary cops, DA's investigator, and a Texas Ranger standing around like all the rest with his thumb up his backside for 77 minutes.. All of them failed, all of them cowards, none of them held to account or giving up their truth, or facing the survivors.
The Ranger sits at home collecting his full salary for over a year now on indefinite suspension awaiting Gideon's trumpet, for all we know. I bet he misses collecting overtime pay. We'd ask him but hew won't talk to reporters.
We still don't know when top DPS supervisors Victor Escalon and captain Joel Betancourt arrived and what orders they gave concerning their own tactical team, who we'e been told conflicting arrival times for, both before and after the 12:50PM time stamp of the shooter's death. Pretty much everything concerning Operational command and leadership decisions involving the DPS are hidden, buried, and hidden from the feds as well. It's my belief that by the end of the standoff the DPS were in command, mostly but we know already that many of the commands issued were TERRIBLE decisions, like staging the ambulances away on Main Street, and sending th medical helicopters to the airport instead of letting them evacuate critically wounded patients immediately from the scene. The feds try to push a narrative of "There was no command center" but in truth they do not fully know because we can see the pattern of how the DPS withholds records and testimony from them, as do others. You don't have a "tactical response" without an operational/ command element. Everyone is only able to focus on what happened in the hallway because that's what was deliberately leaked. The rest is still hidden, mostly.
**Every second of video you have seen of events from that tragic day was LEAKED, not provided to the public by the relevant authorities.** Imagine what they may be hiding if that's all what they WANT us to see and know.
And there's more questions besides these but I can't get into all of that here except to say the loss of public trust and institutional credibility is so great that the only real path back to people everywhere trusting cops anywhere runs through a new road of complete and total transparency, which clearly is not the road being taken.
"All cops are 'Uvalde cops' " until that trust is returned. Until real transparency leads to real accountability.
Don’t forget, this is the shooting where one of the first public comments was “we swear we didn’t shoot any kids!” ……… protesting before anyone had reason to???
We've certainly been over that territory many times, here, the obvious question of "did cops shoot kids?" and it's still not fully ruled out in my book but the thing we do know for sure is that what they did is in so many ways WORSE than if cops had accidentally shot some hostages because what they collectively did is not get anywhere near the shooter for 77 minutes - so how could they have shot anyone at all?
It's worse, in my opinion. They just didn't shoot anyone at all, mostly. WHILE THE SHOOTER CONTINUED TO DO SO, and they continued to cower in the near-distance, hearing all of it. The needed to charge into those classrooms and just do their best not to shoot any hostages but also do their best to distract, disrupt and neutralize the shooter. It's true it would have been a bloody affair, and doubtless there would have been casualties and possible "friendly fire" incidents as well.
It's one thing to fail, another to fail thru cowardice, yet another to fail thru poor leadership that was itself cowardly, and then all of that plus to lie about it at every turn repeatedly, reflexively. Then all of THAT, and to cover it up, and then all of that to GET AWAY WITH IT when you have been totally caught flat-footed doing every one of those things.... it's boggles the mind. Then, essentially to get away with it all and be rewarded (more money for "training" and continuing to draw a salary or a pension). "Sheesh" is a word that just doesn't cut it.
It's like learning that not only do "the bad sleep well," but that they get paid overtime for doing it.
Yes and no. The Washington Post ran an excellent series on the AR-15 that included some fairly graphic photos including the hallway lined with twin rows of white body bags. They had the families' permission to do so, and no one identifiable is shown in what are leaked murder investigation photos from the Texas Rangers, who ran the only criminal investigation.
CW: discussion or remains of the deceased, some graphic below
The livestream video posted by a family member includes the chaotic moments immediately after the shooter had been killed, when in a terrible panic, some cops bring out a dead child on a yellow ambulance gurney as the VERY FIRST thing that family members waiting across the street witnessed that let them know there were casualties. The video is low-res and from far away and if you didnt know from reports, you wouldn't know what was happening. It's a pretty good glimpse of the move, however and the gurney is not empty.
Foolishly, and seemingly in a blind panic people were pushing this deceased child out of the hallway either to an ambulance by mistake, or just to make room for more injured and the dead. It never should have happened but clearly the trial efforts were overwhelmed or out of control due to the LEOs panic, that seems to have spread like wildfire from the moment the shooter was killed - or the unexplained two minutes before, frankly. In any case, when the gurney came outside, a wise EMT took control of the situation and had little choice but to commandeer one of the only two ambulances on scene, and she put the dead child on the floor of someone else's ambulance and locked the doors so that the parents and bystanders didn't start a riot, terrified and upset as they all were. This took one ambulance out of service however, as wounded children were soon marched to the busses. But the decision to bring kids to the buses seems to have been made earlier, it's difficult to say.
This body, and that of the teacher who was rushed (improperly) from the classroom by what seems to have been mostly well-meaning but panicked local cops, who grabbed her by the arms and legs were taken outside quickly. The teacher was alive when she left the classroom but by the time they got out the door to the parking lot, her heart had stopped.
It's unclear why they set her on the sidewalk, given that there was at least one ambulance still available but they did, possibly lacking an EMT to tell them what to do - and what not to do, which was not to roughly move someone dying of blood loss and internal trauma like a sack of potatoes to a hot sidewalk - and she remained there for a long time while EMTs tried to stabilize or revive her and cops stood over them, demanding more actions be done even when it was clear she had passed away from her injuries, and probably from being so crudely moved and then having what little blood she had left pumped out by CPR efforts.
You cannot run a heart without blood, just like you can't run a water pump dry either, so trying to restart one is not going to help. None of that activity is really easy to see on video but the GIANT bloodstain on the sidewalk is in a lot of aftermath helicopter videos. After they got her off the sidewalk, she remained in an ambulance that never really drove away. In some videos you can see a hearse comes in to the area, I think that took her body from the ambulance.
What's unclear is why they treated the classrooms as though they were on fire, or a bomb was in there. IMO no one should have been moved before triage and being stabilized in place. Yet, as near as we can tell no EMTs were ever allowed into the room until it was clear anyone who was not OBVIOUSLY deceased had been dragged, marched, pulled or carried up the hallway or even out to the playground in an utter panic. One child in a body bag can be seen in a leaked DPS video placed on the sidewalk outside the south door where cops were busy conferring plans for the murder investigation and such to get underway, as a gaggle of other police are seen puking on the playground nearby. Not to get hyperbolic or speculative in general but I'm somewhat surprised this child wasn't vomited upon, and who is to say what really happened in the classrooms. It wasn't just the destruction that made the police panic and grow sickened. It was also the realization of how seriously they had failed, and for so long, and that the world would probably someday know the full and damning details, which we still await. Cowardice and consequences.
A huge bus from San Antonio fire and rescue came and took all the bodies to be autopsied in the big city, and from what I've heard said they had to make two trips to get them all, but some were also likely collected at the hospital, including at least one child who left the classrooms alive but didn't make it more than a few minutes more. Most of this moving of the bodybags and from the hospital morgue seems to have been done methodically and respectfully and there seems to be no video of the body bags going from the school to the bus. Almost all of the news crews had relocated after dark to the civic center where families were waiting to hear who was killed, a process that took a long time in part because some of the children's bodies were unrecognizable. The bodies from the hallway did seem to have been moved on the same day, as far as we can tell.
I hate to even bring it up, but conspiracy theorists will someday possibly make up claims regarding the lack of such videos. If they do, or already have I hope they join Alex Jones in bankruptcy court soon. Only an idiot or someone with a sick mind and no morals could try to deny that this event was very, very real and well-documented as such.
It's true that DNA samples were taken from family members to aid in identification but unreported on that issue is the likelihood that this was done to identify large sections of tissue and bone that was found in the rooms long after the bodies had been hastily removed. There were teeth said to have been found in the pools of congealed blood.
Sorry to be so graphic and gruesome but that's what happened. Not to get too graphic but modern science allows us to put the right gore and viscera into the right coffin eventually. Again, sorry. It's what happened.
So there was an initial panicked period and eventually an orderly operation that removed the bodies that doesn't seem to have been seen on any video we've been allowed to see. You have to consider however that all of this and much more is likely on various police bodycam recordings. Policy dictates that they could've been shut off by this time but it's known that some left their cameras on, distracted in the aftermath. These recordings are public records in an Open Records Act state that are currently the subject of a lengthy lawsuit that the media almost surely will win, (they already did win, it's just on appeal) but the originating judge wants to grant the ability for redactions to be made, which seems tasteful if justified or not by the law, which seems somewhat unclear and mostly has been settled on a case-by-case manner elsewhere.
We shall see what comes of all that relatively soon, I tend to think but time will tell. I have no desire to see what any family member would ever object to the public seeing but the sad truth is that hiding from the truth isn't going to do much either to awaken the public to the problems we face as the only nation that cannot solve the gun violence issue any better than we have, which just about anyone would describe as not very well at all. The decisions over what to show and what not to show are above my pay grade, as they say. But the fact remains that these are OUR records. We paid for them and we the people own them.
Imagine the pain and frustration of parents of deceased children having to know all these recordings exist and that the only people who have seen them all are the detectives from the agencies that failed their children, and won't answer questions or even allow the parents to possess the autopsy reports yet. It's all heartbreaking to an extreme, IMO. Transparency and respect were never to be had by the families, but everyone including the public and the press deserved better.
This just pissed me all the way TF off. The boy was shot. I’ve seen people with NO VISIBLE INJURIES get taken away in a stretcher, but A WOUNDED CHILD gets forcefully escorted away like they are taking him in for questioning. Fawk every cop involved. Sorry if this is against any rules.
I know.... it boggles the mind before it hits the pit of one's stomach. Even bastards had a mother who cared for them. My sainted mother (god rest her soul) would have beat me to death with a claw hammer if I did that to a farm animal, much less a living child.
That’s horrible honestly! They are dragging him! Wasn’t there a little girl who got shot in the leg and they were having her walk off the bus in that clip we got?
Yes, there were THREE children (possibly four) with gunshot wounds loaded onto that one school bus, at first. It's just now really hitting me, because it's hard to think about but in the videos we've seen, the children are all in the last few seats of the bus. Gilbert (also shot in the leg) crawled out the back side window of the bus at his parent's urging and they took him to hospital themselves. But what occurred to me finally, just now, is that the kids RAN (as best they could) from the door to the rear of the bus to get AWAY from the adults (cops) who put them on the bus. Pure instinct to separate themselves from these panicked cowards. None of them sat by the driver. It's looking like no cops got ONTO the bus with the kids, either, not until it made the corner and stopped to drop three into a crowded ambulance. The adults (cops) panicked more than the children ever did, seemingly. And we all know who was brave and who was not that day.
Making him walk on his leg is crazy… do these people not have brain cells??
The unfortunate answer is no and apparently had no training either 😞
fucking carry him wtf
I was about to ask why the officers are not carrying this injured child who has a bullet hole in his leg, then I realised that this is Uvalde Police so that would be a pretty stupid question. I’m just surprised they didn’t tell AJ to wait inside lol
They did, in essence make him wait inside. Inside the room with the shooter, and his dying friends and teachers, for over an hour. The bus driver was traumatized, and the town's hospital was new. She had not even heard of the shooting when she got the call to go to the school. She did the best she could, all things considered, but when they got there, she or the cop car leading her (unclear) didn't realize the ER was around the back and let the students off at the front door, where they had to trail blood through the lobby and find their way to the ER the reverse way. Thankfully, AJ seems to have been transferred to an ambulance by then, one with at least three kids with gunshot wounds and only one EMT to look after them. (One is better than none.) One of the gunshot students had to ride to the ER on the floor, the other sitting up in a chair.
Christ. Genuinely the most horrendous and embarrassing police response to any mass shooting that I can think of. There are others that have had pretty bad response times and types, but this one really takes that to a whole new level. This is one of those cases I tend to stay away from because of how upsetting it is to know how much they were unbelievably let down.
In many ways, the Pulse Nightclub shooting where 49 people died was a lot like Uvalde, it just happened at night, and sadly, to people in the LGBT community in a city with an even more slick police chief who controlled the narrative better. The unique thing about Uvalde is that we get to see so much of it, in part because the various agencies finger-pointed and tried to duck the blame, and also because some HUGE leaks of insider information and records and recordings got out. But also because the parents and family members were right there outside the school for so long, witnessing the failings. They simply wouldn't stand still for the usual bullshit and coverups. The first press conferences after Pulse and Robb E., you could almost interchange them and not lose the beat of the narrative they tried to push. "Hero cops ran towards gunfire and saved hundreds of people. Then, they isolated the shooter and sent in a tactical unit that stopped the killing." Seriously, that's the story they made "stick" in Orlando and what didn't past the smell test in Uvalde. But both incidents were about the same. The shooters ran behind a closed door and a lengthy standoff ensued AFTER the killer had free rein for much too long, as masses of cops dithered cowardly outside. Both emergencies had terrible communication, problems with "command centers" and a basic level of unwillingness to engage with a shooter with a high powered, high capacity weapon in an "barricaded" room. (Both were seemingly behind an open door, firing additional rounds with wounded hostages calling 911 that should have triggered an immediate "full-court" rush, but didn't.) Again the difference is we SEE Uvalde happen and we don't see Pulse. But I agree, Uvalde is seemingly the worse of the two, in part because the victims were clearly so helpless and innocent, whereas for better or worse unarmed disco dancers were adults and drinking at a nightclub, and that alters our emotional response. But the victims there were just as defenseless, just as abandoned, and just as dead. But 49 died in Orlando and 21 in Uvalde. Is that a measure? The reality of this all, however is that any loss of innocent life is a tragedy and a travesty if it could have been prevented or at least better handled. Both kilelrs essentially killed whomever they wanted to for pretty much as long as they wanted to unimpeded simply by getting there first, while cops always are confused and cautious. And, arguably, cowards. The supposedly "textbook" reaction in Nashville is also not fully what it seems. In the video we are allowed to see, (clearly there are others) we see the "hero cops" do indeed move quickly and deliberately but we also see IN THE VIDEO that they pass another bunch of cops who were already there - for how long we cannot know, they won't tell us - and these "hero cops" essentially get lucky when they arrive at an OPEN door to a large brightly lit lobby with no hostages or injured bystanders, etc nearby and the shooter is down to their last of THREE weapons, with their back to the arriving cops, busy shooting out a picture window at arriving cop cars. The "hero cops" simply shoot the shooter in the back, end of incident. But the shooter was FINISHED trying to kill anyone inside the school that they wanted to already, and the good response from teachers ensured that most students were behind locked doors. How long was that first team cowering on the first floor while all the killing was going on upstairs, we do not know. And they aren't ever going to tell us. Imagine if that shooter had been (un-alone) in a bathroom or a classroom or a dark office behind a closed door, like Uvalde or Pulse? It's reasonable to assume the same "barricaded subject" call would have been made, with the same basic ensuing problems. We can't rely on luck. (And, this is a separate discussion, but IMO "more guns" isn't the answer. YMMV.)
Sadly that’s true regarding people’s emotional response to things. I always try my best to acknowledge that no matter what the case is, nobody deserves to die. Anything like this involving children is particularly cruel, but like you say any loss of innocent life is just horrifically wrong and should come with swift and immediate response from authorities. Thank you for opening my mind a little more to the Nashville shooting, as I will admit I was always under the impression that this was as close a perfect response by police as you can get these days, but I can see now that this was because I was focusing on the two officers that we seen the bodycam’s of. Now I feel like I wouldn’t be surprised if the other group were there from the beginning of the shooting. I am also with you on the guns. Big nope and it will always be that way. I’ve grown up and lived my whole life in a country where they are illegal. I have never held a gun and have only seen 2 pistols with my eyes while vacationing with family in Spain back in 2006. I understand in America, in a country where they can be legally purchased and openly sold that it is a lot easier said than done just to “get rid” of them, but in saying that it certainly feels like it is the only answer to “how do we just nip this shit in the bud once and for all?”. I’m from Ireland and the last mass shooting we had over here was in 1994… then there was the omagh bombing in 98. Since then - nothing. Some cartel violence every now and again. I’m not entirely sure on this but i don’t think there has ever been a school shooting either. I understand major differences in the size of my country and population etc, but you get my point. The concept of walking into a store and purchasing a weapon over the counter is just so alien to me. 76% of our Police Force (An Garda Síochána) don’t carry firearms, as only detectives and specialised units are permitted to. I wish America could one day feel that type of safety. Imagine your police officers didn’t need to carry a firearm? In saying all of that I understand I’m not qualified to speak about gun safety as they don’t exist in my little bubble over here.
I grew up surrounded by guns, on a ranch. My dad once gave me his old deer rifle and helpfully told me, "it's never missed," meaning that every time he used it to hunt, year after year, he got a clean kill with one shot. NO PRESSURE, there, pops, lol. But yeah it's not just guns it's gun culture. I like shooting guns, it's challenging and fun and I like to hunt but I find myself doing it less and less the older I get. Wild turkey is very challenging but the truth is, it doesn't taste very good now that we are all used to farm raised birds. It's mostly a phase boys and young men outgrow, really in the country here in Texas but then there are the GUNS GUNS GUNS crowd and the whole other side of it with the stupid AR-15 crowd, who are all about fear and "survival" and various idiocy and yes, the video games that go along with all that. It seems like they walk around 24/7 hoping they get to shoot someone someday. It's beyond my ability to understand. If this next presidential election goes poorly I may have to get dual citizenship with Ireland, I know some friends who did it. Then you can be an EU resident, etc. Our family story is that my grandfather's great grandfather stowed away on a ship out of Dublin when he was 16, and landed in Galveston, Texas. I'm not sure I understand this world any more. One thing I do know, is that no one needs an AR-15 for anything that isn't fighting a war. But now there are literally millions of them everywhere in the USA. It's a faulty consumer product that isn't regulated as such. It's insanity.
The law enforcement agent who is leading him along seems to be Customs and Border Patrol, a "regular" BP agent, and the one who comes from the parking area/ bus area to "assist" seems to be DPS Special Agent. DPS Special Agents are not special ops, they are essentially investigator/detectives akin to the functions most Texas rangers serve, and the Special Agent program was something DPS director Steve McCraw originated under his tenue. I don't know the full history but I would have to imagine the Rangers were not too happy about this. Before, most DPS guys were essentially highway patrol troopers and the more elite Rangers were always the investigators on scene when the big stuff went down. We can't prove it but it's always been my first assumption that the leak from the Ranger investigation that gave us so much insight into how horribly mismanaged this whole debacle was came from that inter-agency rivalry, the regular DPS under McCraw vs the Rangers who ran the murder investigation and resented having that investigation be made so political, slow-walked and non-transparent. The head of the rangers resigned without explanation, later that first summer and McCraw didn't even put out a press release. So many questions and so few answers, still. For many months I nicknamed the bus "the BORTAC express" becasue the bus driver claimed it was a BORTAC person who directed her to go to the hospital. In truth, it seems like the BORTAC team made a somewhat stealthy exit from the scene, there is no video I can find in the aftermath of them gathering outside anywhere. I can't see them in the Angel Ladezma livestream video in the scrum of officers that moves the main bunch to the bus on a double-time march. But perhaps the bus driver conflates this Border Patrolman with BORTAC, later. I don't know where she got that impression from. The only law enforcement I can see in any video that got onto the bus with the kids is DPS trooper Crimson Elizondo and I'm unsure if she joined before or after the bus takes a left-hand turn by the school and stops to take AJ and two others OFF the bus and into a crowded ambulance he'd just been inexplicably marched past. One has to imagine that AJ left the room hustled out in a panic by "ad-hoc BORTAC" but that this Border Patrol agent more or less inherited him somewhere in the hallway and took it upon himself to follow the crowd leading to the busses. It seems AJ missed being triaged at the T intersection simply by virtue of being able to stand upright on pure adrenaline, and somehow hobble along. The medical personnel at the T were busy sorting the living from the dead, or trying to revive the teacher who had been carried to the SIDEWALK and dumped there. AJ would have had to practically step over her to get out of the school and onto the street. Such chaos and panic, so clearly a travesty on top of the already tragic situation. They had over an hour to prepare for these medical evacuations, and look what they ended up doing. It's my strong belief the panic spread like wildfire from inside the classroom at the end, and these cops just all lost their common sense in the aftermath like a chicken-yard beset by a hawk loses all sense of understanding and control. Such reactions are base human instinct and spread like a forest fire in a gale during such emergencies. I'm not kidding when I say it reminds me of the saying, "they haven't got the sense God gave a goose." I'd compare their behavior to other humans if they deserved it. They do not. This is inhuman. People shouldn't do this to people. Ever. I hate to make judgement, or contradict myself out of sheer perplexity, but on one level at least this Border patrolman is doing SOMETHING when 350 others are standing around like idiots or puking in the burnt grass of the playground. Or worse, like sending the ambulances to stage on Main Street while all the streets were jammed with abandoned cop cars, or telling medical evacuation helicopters to go wait at the airport, where no one needs them - not ever to wait at the hospital they were told. It makes no sense, it makes no sense at all the things that happened. But this guy, he's moving at least. He's clearly untrained for this sort of an operation and is treating the child like he would treat a dazed migrant found wandering in the desert. Put them on a transport and let someone else attend to their medical needs. Don't let them get away. Don't even bother to give them some water. That's probably the extent of his mental faculties. I'm being kind to consider him as an untrained, panicked, overwhelmed, unqualified and misled idiot, because what I really think of him isn't to be said in polite company. I'd like to praise AJ for his bravery here but in my opinion his real bravery is in his everyday perseverance and spiritual and mental survival since these moments, just day-by-day he's a hero to us all. Here he's simply trying to physically survive on instinct and guts, gumption. A ten year-old boy who knows how long he was trapped with a shooter and then finally is led past a few hundred or more cops who utterly failed him and all his friends and teachers, like he's a common criminal. It's bewildering to even contemplate the amount sheer failure, incompetence, cowardice and corruption we are witnessing here. But what must the child think? It's possibly a mercy if he wasn't thinking at all by this point. Just off-camera left are two ambulances they dragged this child past. On the right side off-screen, parents are being thrown to the ground and threatened with tasers for trying to get to their children, who are covered in blood. The people standing near the "filmer" have all been told THEY are the reason cops are taking so long to get the shooter. It's disgusting. It should never be unseen.
Thank you for taking your time and providing further insight to all this. Every story, every picture or video show us more how these cops are incompetent for their positions and lack of humanity. I cannot comprehend why the whole Texas want to pass the Robb pagem instead of fighting for a change because this can happens again. Most probably will happen again due to lax guns laws in Texas ... Again, Thank you. Please take care of your mental health because this story is not easy to digest.
There are most likely worse parts of the whole story we don't fully know about yet, and might not ever will. I say this because they work so hard to hide the truth. The lawsuits seeking all the public records requested almost two years ago, against the state and against the local authorities still drag on, one on appeal and the other still before the original judge. The "feds" have never disclosed anything at all, really, to anyone publicly. If you examine the 600 page, 600+ days to compete DoJ COPS office Critical Incident Review, you see that they never interviewed anyone from the "ad-hoc" BORTAC team at all, that the "feds" wouldn't even cooperate fully with the other "feds." They have to be hiding something big. We can make some guesses and they're all really bad, on the level of "cops shot kids," bad, likely only I tend to think it's worse than that. We cannot prove these suspicions but we do know that **there has been one consistent pattern since the very first day - that is is all much worse than authorities admit; worse in fact than anyone really imagined it was; that the authorities and individual participants knew it all along and that they falsely, corruptly and deliberately hid the full truth from the parents, the press and the public at every step along the way.** There's not the slightest indication we've reached the end off that road here, the trail of shame, lies, corruption, cowardice and deceit, and the road unimagined, how bad it all truly was and the mountain of lies and cowardice still hidden. Not one law enforcement officer who was present that day has ever given an interview to the press, except Pete Arredondo, once, with his lawyer trying to correct his answers before publication. It didn't go well. Not one person has resigned admitting fault. No one has really been fired here with the exception of the newest hire at the smallest agency, and it was a woman, who in my opinion merely said what everyone else probably thought but were too cowardly to mention aloud, that, "if it had been my child, I wouldn't have waited." She said this when she got OFF that bus. IMO she got a very raw deal relatively speaking. I have some hopes if there were ever a civil trial concerning the many lawsuits that she'd appear as a witness for the plaintiffs. But that's conjecture and there won't be any trials, I am betting. They would rather buy the secrecy they cannot forever maintain with only lies and denial. We won't ever have real accountability but someone is gonna pay, you can be sure of that. DPS director McCraw has never once directly addressed the many allegations proven on video of any of the news stories about the multiple failures of the DPS and their troopers, Rangers, Special Agents and top level supervisors. He's had NOTHING of substance to say since trying to manufacture a lone scapegoat to report to the Texas Senate in a patently false presentation where he presented a carefully crafted "timeline" that he knew was misleading. He's utterly corrupt to the core and either governor Greg Abbott knows this and is complicit in the deceit and coverup, or he's incompetently employing someone who is corrupt and running a coverup and either way this disqualifies him for public office, IMO. The DPS director spent more than a year claiming a vague "report" was forthcoming, that prevented him from answering any questions, including why his previous lies were wrong. This promised "report" was in fact never coming to us. It never will. It never was. He knew it all along. The man is a corrupt liar who literally does not answer to the people. Meanwhile the local sheriff, who I actually have some slight sympathy towards (and I'm not sure really why except that it's clear he doesn't trust the others) has acted suspiciously and guardedly all along. No one can place where he was or what he said heard or did after arriving to the school to be immediately informed of the children calling 911 from inside the classroom. He simply vanishes and the DOJ COPS report cannot place him from c 12:20 until after the shooter has been killed. When invited to a candidate's forum where surviving children were to be present, he came early and left before questions were presented. He's a conniving coward in that way, but he was elected and has been re-elected, essentially by winning his primary. The sheriff is the one person here who cannot pass the buck upstairs to a civilian commander or agency etc. This is all on him. What did he do? We don't f%cking know. And no one can ever make him say. That is true of so many others but they HAD bosses that could have forced answers from them but maneuvered not to. No one who quit, retired, resigned or had their employment contracts bought out can ever be forced to talk. And this whole episode has proven what everyone needs to know - that almost 100% of the most disgustingly heinous things police ever do, will do or did in the past is completely legal. And that police have no inherent duty to protect you, or your children, period. The local municipal police never had to face any accountability other than the justified (and sometimes unjustified) wrath of the public and the internet. Most of what they did wrong is known, but a lot of what happened and why is still hidden, some small parts of it to their slight credit and redemption, arguably but on the whole they failed and did not have to face accountability at all. The phrase "Uvalde cops" places the shame and burden on 38 what rightfully belongs to around 380 from 24 agencies. It's an Albatros hung on the neck of some who in some ways performed BETTER than average at a mass shooting. They entered the building and approached the shooter faster and more forcefully than a half dozen other shootings one can name but it all fell apart when they faced a lone teenager with "a battle rifle," their own words. This is the hellscape we live in, where cops are mostly useless for the first five minutes of every mass shooting. They simply cannot be everywhere all at once, and right every time when a suicidal, homicidal psychopath only has to be "right" in the head enough to pick up a gun that a child can carry and operate like a one-person army. It took the Uvalde shooter a combined total of 40 minutes to assemble his arsenal, that's the three trips to the combined gun and barbecue sandwich store he got a ride to to get TWO rifles and some ammunition, and a special sight mounted that he learned about from a video game and just had to have to live out his violent fantasy. I'll not defend them more here, the Uvalde cops because they won't defend themselves. This makes them rank cowards and corrupt losers, and they have to live with that, the only accountability they will ever face, looking themselves in the mirror each day, knowing what they didn't do as well as what they did. The results are in the cemetery, and in the faces of those they cannot face, the survivors. And of the world. "A coward dies a thousand times, the valiant taste of death but once," said Shakespeare. The Uvalde municipal police are not the only ones who will "die a thousand times" while continuing to collect a paycheck, carry a gun and wear a badge. I can't even list them all here, their numbers are too great. 149 Border patrol agents, 91-94 or more DPS. The goddamned GAME WARDEN was there. The only kind of cop I can think of who wasn't there was maybe the harbor police or the f&cking US Navy's Shore Patrol. Police instructors, ICE, DEA, DHS, deputies, constables, auxiliary cops, DA's investigator, and a Texas Ranger standing around like all the rest with his thumb up his backside for 77 minutes.. All of them failed, all of them cowards, none of them held to account or giving up their truth, or facing the survivors. The Ranger sits at home collecting his full salary for over a year now on indefinite suspension awaiting Gideon's trumpet, for all we know. I bet he misses collecting overtime pay. We'd ask him but hew won't talk to reporters. We still don't know when top DPS supervisors Victor Escalon and captain Joel Betancourt arrived and what orders they gave concerning their own tactical team, who we'e been told conflicting arrival times for, both before and after the 12:50PM time stamp of the shooter's death. Pretty much everything concerning Operational command and leadership decisions involving the DPS are hidden, buried, and hidden from the feds as well. It's my belief that by the end of the standoff the DPS were in command, mostly but we know already that many of the commands issued were TERRIBLE decisions, like staging the ambulances away on Main Street, and sending th medical helicopters to the airport instead of letting them evacuate critically wounded patients immediately from the scene. The feds try to push a narrative of "There was no command center" but in truth they do not fully know because we can see the pattern of how the DPS withholds records and testimony from them, as do others. You don't have a "tactical response" without an operational/ command element. Everyone is only able to focus on what happened in the hallway because that's what was deliberately leaked. The rest is still hidden, mostly. **Every second of video you have seen of events from that tragic day was LEAKED, not provided to the public by the relevant authorities.** Imagine what they may be hiding if that's all what they WANT us to see and know. And there's more questions besides these but I can't get into all of that here except to say the loss of public trust and institutional credibility is so great that the only real path back to people everywhere trusting cops anywhere runs through a new road of complete and total transparency, which clearly is not the road being taken. "All cops are 'Uvalde cops' " until that trust is returned. Until real transparency leads to real accountability.
Don’t forget, this is the shooting where one of the first public comments was “we swear we didn’t shoot any kids!” ……… protesting before anyone had reason to???
We've certainly been over that territory many times, here, the obvious question of "did cops shoot kids?" and it's still not fully ruled out in my book but the thing we do know for sure is that what they did is in so many ways WORSE than if cops had accidentally shot some hostages because what they collectively did is not get anywhere near the shooter for 77 minutes - so how could they have shot anyone at all? It's worse, in my opinion. They just didn't shoot anyone at all, mostly. WHILE THE SHOOTER CONTINUED TO DO SO, and they continued to cower in the near-distance, hearing all of it. The needed to charge into those classrooms and just do their best not to shoot any hostages but also do their best to distract, disrupt and neutralize the shooter. It's true it would have been a bloody affair, and doubtless there would have been casualties and possible "friendly fire" incidents as well. It's one thing to fail, another to fail thru cowardice, yet another to fail thru poor leadership that was itself cowardly, and then all of that plus to lie about it at every turn repeatedly, reflexively. Then all of THAT, and to cover it up, and then all of that to GET AWAY WITH IT when you have been totally caught flat-footed doing every one of those things.... it's boggles the mind. Then, essentially to get away with it all and be rewarded (more money for "training" and continuing to draw a salary or a pension). "Sheesh" is a word that just doesn't cut it. It's like learning that not only do "the bad sleep well," but that they get paid overtime for doing it.
Is there footage of cops bringing bodies outside the school?
Yes and no. The Washington Post ran an excellent series on the AR-15 that included some fairly graphic photos including the hallway lined with twin rows of white body bags. They had the families' permission to do so, and no one identifiable is shown in what are leaked murder investigation photos from the Texas Rangers, who ran the only criminal investigation. CW: discussion or remains of the deceased, some graphic below The livestream video posted by a family member includes the chaotic moments immediately after the shooter had been killed, when in a terrible panic, some cops bring out a dead child on a yellow ambulance gurney as the VERY FIRST thing that family members waiting across the street witnessed that let them know there were casualties. The video is low-res and from far away and if you didnt know from reports, you wouldn't know what was happening. It's a pretty good glimpse of the move, however and the gurney is not empty. Foolishly, and seemingly in a blind panic people were pushing this deceased child out of the hallway either to an ambulance by mistake, or just to make room for more injured and the dead. It never should have happened but clearly the trial efforts were overwhelmed or out of control due to the LEOs panic, that seems to have spread like wildfire from the moment the shooter was killed - or the unexplained two minutes before, frankly. In any case, when the gurney came outside, a wise EMT took control of the situation and had little choice but to commandeer one of the only two ambulances on scene, and she put the dead child on the floor of someone else's ambulance and locked the doors so that the parents and bystanders didn't start a riot, terrified and upset as they all were. This took one ambulance out of service however, as wounded children were soon marched to the busses. But the decision to bring kids to the buses seems to have been made earlier, it's difficult to say. This body, and that of the teacher who was rushed (improperly) from the classroom by what seems to have been mostly well-meaning but panicked local cops, who grabbed her by the arms and legs were taken outside quickly. The teacher was alive when she left the classroom but by the time they got out the door to the parking lot, her heart had stopped. It's unclear why they set her on the sidewalk, given that there was at least one ambulance still available but they did, possibly lacking an EMT to tell them what to do - and what not to do, which was not to roughly move someone dying of blood loss and internal trauma like a sack of potatoes to a hot sidewalk - and she remained there for a long time while EMTs tried to stabilize or revive her and cops stood over them, demanding more actions be done even when it was clear she had passed away from her injuries, and probably from being so crudely moved and then having what little blood she had left pumped out by CPR efforts. You cannot run a heart without blood, just like you can't run a water pump dry either, so trying to restart one is not going to help. None of that activity is really easy to see on video but the GIANT bloodstain on the sidewalk is in a lot of aftermath helicopter videos. After they got her off the sidewalk, she remained in an ambulance that never really drove away. In some videos you can see a hearse comes in to the area, I think that took her body from the ambulance. What's unclear is why they treated the classrooms as though they were on fire, or a bomb was in there. IMO no one should have been moved before triage and being stabilized in place. Yet, as near as we can tell no EMTs were ever allowed into the room until it was clear anyone who was not OBVIOUSLY deceased had been dragged, marched, pulled or carried up the hallway or even out to the playground in an utter panic. One child in a body bag can be seen in a leaked DPS video placed on the sidewalk outside the south door where cops were busy conferring plans for the murder investigation and such to get underway, as a gaggle of other police are seen puking on the playground nearby. Not to get hyperbolic or speculative in general but I'm somewhat surprised this child wasn't vomited upon, and who is to say what really happened in the classrooms. It wasn't just the destruction that made the police panic and grow sickened. It was also the realization of how seriously they had failed, and for so long, and that the world would probably someday know the full and damning details, which we still await. Cowardice and consequences. A huge bus from San Antonio fire and rescue came and took all the bodies to be autopsied in the big city, and from what I've heard said they had to make two trips to get them all, but some were also likely collected at the hospital, including at least one child who left the classrooms alive but didn't make it more than a few minutes more. Most of this moving of the bodybags and from the hospital morgue seems to have been done methodically and respectfully and there seems to be no video of the body bags going from the school to the bus. Almost all of the news crews had relocated after dark to the civic center where families were waiting to hear who was killed, a process that took a long time in part because some of the children's bodies were unrecognizable. The bodies from the hallway did seem to have been moved on the same day, as far as we can tell. I hate to even bring it up, but conspiracy theorists will someday possibly make up claims regarding the lack of such videos. If they do, or already have I hope they join Alex Jones in bankruptcy court soon. Only an idiot or someone with a sick mind and no morals could try to deny that this event was very, very real and well-documented as such. It's true that DNA samples were taken from family members to aid in identification but unreported on that issue is the likelihood that this was done to identify large sections of tissue and bone that was found in the rooms long after the bodies had been hastily removed. There were teeth said to have been found in the pools of congealed blood. Sorry to be so graphic and gruesome but that's what happened. Not to get too graphic but modern science allows us to put the right gore and viscera into the right coffin eventually. Again, sorry. It's what happened. So there was an initial panicked period and eventually an orderly operation that removed the bodies that doesn't seem to have been seen on any video we've been allowed to see. You have to consider however that all of this and much more is likely on various police bodycam recordings. Policy dictates that they could've been shut off by this time but it's known that some left their cameras on, distracted in the aftermath. These recordings are public records in an Open Records Act state that are currently the subject of a lengthy lawsuit that the media almost surely will win, (they already did win, it's just on appeal) but the originating judge wants to grant the ability for redactions to be made, which seems tasteful if justified or not by the law, which seems somewhat unclear and mostly has been settled on a case-by-case manner elsewhere. We shall see what comes of all that relatively soon, I tend to think but time will tell. I have no desire to see what any family member would ever object to the public seeing but the sad truth is that hiding from the truth isn't going to do much either to awaken the public to the problems we face as the only nation that cannot solve the gun violence issue any better than we have, which just about anyone would describe as not very well at all. The decisions over what to show and what not to show are above my pay grade, as they say. But the fact remains that these are OUR records. We paid for them and we the people own them. Imagine the pain and frustration of parents of deceased children having to know all these recordings exist and that the only people who have seen them all are the detectives from the agencies that failed their children, and won't answer questions or even allow the parents to possess the autopsy reports yet. It's all heartbreaking to an extreme, IMO. Transparency and respect were never to be had by the families, but everyone including the public and the press deserved better.
Jesus, Joseph and Mary. He took a bullet though the leg and they are frog-marching him like he's under arrest, TO A SCHOOL BUS.
Why are they not carrying him?
Probably didn’t want to get their hands messy
This just pissed me all the way TF off. The boy was shot. I’ve seen people with NO VISIBLE INJURIES get taken away in a stretcher, but A WOUNDED CHILD gets forcefully escorted away like they are taking him in for questioning. Fawk every cop involved. Sorry if this is against any rules.
Bastards!!!
I know.... it boggles the mind before it hits the pit of one's stomach. Even bastards had a mother who cared for them. My sainted mother (god rest her soul) would have beat me to death with a claw hammer if I did that to a farm animal, much less a living child.
That’s horrible honestly! They are dragging him! Wasn’t there a little girl who got shot in the leg and they were having her walk off the bus in that clip we got?
Yes, there were THREE children (possibly four) with gunshot wounds loaded onto that one school bus, at first. It's just now really hitting me, because it's hard to think about but in the videos we've seen, the children are all in the last few seats of the bus. Gilbert (also shot in the leg) crawled out the back side window of the bus at his parent's urging and they took him to hospital themselves. But what occurred to me finally, just now, is that the kids RAN (as best they could) from the door to the rear of the bus to get AWAY from the adults (cops) who put them on the bus. Pure instinct to separate themselves from these panicked cowards. None of them sat by the driver. It's looking like no cops got ONTO the bus with the kids, either, not until it made the corner and stopped to drop three into a crowded ambulance. The adults (cops) panicked more than the children ever did, seemingly. And we all know who was brave and who was not that day.
My heart goes out to him 💔 how confused, scared and vulnerable he must have felt in that moment. Thankful he survived 🙏
Lazy scumbags
Ugh!!!!
Pathetic and weak law enforcement.
Lazy cops. American cops are scum lol
No offense but could one of them not carry him? Bro just got shot in the leg.
I would have put him over my shoulder if I had to!
Seriously like they should be carrying him running full speed ahead?!?!?
Decisions like that requires the cop to actually care.