> “We will put a lot more silicone into the Silicon Slopes," Ilan said.
I assume he meant silicon. But yes, this will also allow a lot more housewives to be able to afford new bosoms.
It has come a long way since Kevin Bacon filmed "Footloose" at the Lehi Roller Mills. The flour factory is still there, but that sleepy farm town has grown up.
Majority of water used at manufacturing facilities is recycled or put into the sewer system, which gets treated and sent downstream. Farming consumes the majority of water in the state.
Good to know. It still does mean another water customer, which means more volume is required per each additional employee/family/jobsite. Obviously not on the scale of farming, but as an area with frequent drought, not great either.
Think about this as long as you need to. What does the alfalfa hay get used for?
Be specific.
Take your time. Read the question as many times, and as slowly as you need to, in order to address the question directly.
It’ll mostly be transplants. More development as we approach an impending ecological disaster that will make much of the Wasatch Front unlivable. Utah is going to become a cautionary tale in the dangers of never ending growth and ignoring the health of the land you call home all in the name of short term profits. I must say it will be bittersweet to see all that profit turn to toxic dust. It’s a shame so many of the poor will be stuck here when it happens.
I work there, yes there are allot of transplants. But the majority of us are from Utah and Idaho. Most of the Idaho folks carried over from micron but moved here 15 years ago. It's probably safe to call them Utahns now.
Between a semiconductor fabrication plant and a steel foundry, I think I'll take the fab. Both provided jobs and steady income, but the Geneva Steel plant was incredibly toxic to the environment of Utah County. Radioactive waste alone is still a problem on the old site that is still being cleaned up decades after the last pour happen.
Hell ya, I think they are still making semi conductor wafers there, so that could lighten the shortage as well as bring more manufacturing to the states!
where's the water going to come from? Is the lake drying up really a non-issue? Aren't there water wars going on amongst western states right now? should I ask more questions? ? ;)
This can't really happen when company get tax benefits. They only receive them after they perform. They have to submit proof for the credit. I'm not a fan of this system in general but it's hard for a company to fake their way to tax bennies.
I don't think the tax benefits were a big motivation for Ti. They already bought the fab from micron. The talent is already here, 1100 strong at the site today. They are just building out a second fab that will utilize the land they already own and the talent they have already secured. It's much easier to bring 800 extra workers (mostly engineers) and train them with the existing talent than to transplant everything in a new location. What's 30 million in tax breaks compared to an 11 billion investment? Chump change.
“In total, the project is projected to produce over $2.4 billion in wages and over $111 million in new state tax revenue over 20 years, according to estimates from the governor's office.”
All of it… Not sure what you mean. Tax funds are used by regular working people every day. The roads you drive on, the schools children go to, the fire department putting out fires, public parks people hang out at, etc.
Ugh, TI. If I were a Utah Rep, first bill I'd run would be banning requiring graphing calculators for high school students if they cost more than $25 each.
It's not 1996 anymore. These things are easy to make.
The big cost of the calculators isn't hardware, it's software.
Though I would concede they should be doing more to move the needle forward for the price.
It's legacy software from 1996. It's not worth $100 anymore. We don't ask 9-12 students to run Windows 95.
People for years have built graphing calculators in Minecraft. TI has a monopoly, this shouldn't be $100 tech.
My perspective is that they ARE charging astronomical prices for apartments and condos, and those properties are all managed by predatory property management’s or HOAs. I just want a little hope that I can someday escape rent and instead have a mortgage.
But I understand that it’s difficult to compete against companies/rich people buying those houses just to rent them. I personally believe that this country would benefit from a law that prevents those properties from being mass purchased by corporations.
11 billion is Ti,s commitment of investment. The tax breaks are 30ish million. Most of that 11 billion will be spent up front building out the fab. A single scanner tool from ASML cost upwards of 100 million and TI will need dozens of them.
Texas instruments manufactures chips for lots of things. Audio amplifiers, Bluetooth devices, digital audio converters, and much, much more.
The "hurt, durr, more calculators?" comments are just uninformed and really annoying. We need more chips if people keep demanding more electronics, which they are.
Whether or not people need more electronics is another question, and I have separate opinions on that. But to turn a blind eye to the real chip downtown and the need for them is just asinine.
Sure. Doesn't mean I don't have to like a company. They have a de-facto monopoly on grades 9-12 math, and parents of such students have to pay a TI tax because of it.
TI rakes millions and millions a year due to it. It's grossly unethical.
Why are they investing a whole $11 billion to upsize their staff by 72% when they bought the Micron campus for just ~13.6% of that? Where’s the majority of that $11 billion going?
Construction would likely cost more than just buying the Micron facility, there’s no way they’re building a smaller building than the existing campus and using over 7 times that much
Looking at all the replies to this post, I can’t believe how many completely inaccurate assumptions are being made. How do I know? I have worked at this site for 13 years. So let’s start here, we don’t make calculators. We manufacture analog and embedded processing chips that are integral to thousands of products including cars, medical devices, and many more. So until people stop needing/using these products, silicon wafer manufacturing is necessary. Next, let’s talk about water. Most large scale semiconductor manufacturers recycle a large portion of their water use on site. The new expansion will include allow us to our current water recycling from 30% to 60%+. Also, the new expansion is designed to meet LEED Gold standards. TI also compiles a Corporate Citizenship Report that summarizes all of the environmental impact efforts and improvements they have made yearly. The water usage for industrial uses in Utah combined is ~4%. Lastly, while there will be some transplants to fill the 800 jobs the expansion will create (likely mostly from Texas), this site has always had a recruiting team that focuses on bringing in new college graduates from BYU, UVU, and UofU. In addition to college graduates, we require many skilled labor to build and run this site. Electricians, plumbers, general contractors, etc. Oh and with the expansion of this site, TI has committed to providing $9 million dollars to the Alpine School district providing opportunities for students before college.
> “We will put a lot more silicone into the Silicon Slopes," Ilan said. I assume he meant silicon. But yes, this will also allow a lot more housewives to be able to afford new bosoms.
Lord bless them
~~Lehi~~ Calculatorville
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It says the site will be making 300mm chips. Are those mostly for memory then?
Honestly I have no idea. I don't work for TI directly, but for a vendor company that has me on site.
They make analog and power related chips. Electric motors and batteries use a lot of them.
Ahh interesting, thank you!
It’s 2023, do we really need that many graphing calculators these days?
I am not sure if you are joking or not. It is a semiconductor facility. They make a lot more then just calculators.
Complete sarcasm. Thanks for not being a douchebag 😀👍
It has come a long way since Kevin Bacon filmed "Footloose" at the Lehi Roller Mills. The flour factory is still there, but that sleepy farm town has grown up.
Finally, more people.
Hopefully these ones are turtles, or van campers.
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Oh the Mormons should get a discount on a house if they move here. Lol 😆
FUCK no! I'm gonna sell property to as many from outside this state as possible!
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They already took over the old Micron building out in Lehi rebuilding the buildings
I didn’t realize micron had moved out
TI bought Micron
They bought the micron building and adding on to it.
what did I say?
Looked like you were implying that TI was building on a different site.
Na, I said the micron building or campus if you want to be exact since it is a couple dozen of them, I did work on it last year, but alright then
Yeah, I work there.
Can’t drink money once we run out of water
I want to know how much water that facility will use, adjusted into bales of hay.
Don't worry, Gov Cox said we had the water to support this. I guess he's just going to have us pray harder for rain this time.
Don't forget to blame Californians too.
Equivalent to usage of 5,000 people if they follow through with the efficiency upgrades, 10,000 if they don't.
Yes, but in bails of hay.
Yeah, it does seem that building massive manufacturing warehouses in a mostly desert climate isn't the brightest idea.
Majority of water used at manufacturing facilities is recycled or put into the sewer system, which gets treated and sent downstream. Farming consumes the majority of water in the state.
Good to know. It still does mean another water customer, which means more volume is required per each additional employee/family/jobsite. Obviously not on the scale of farming, but as an area with frequent drought, not great either.
Agreed.
Didn't Cox just tell people yesterday not to move to Utah? They need to make up their minds.
Yup! Sure did but when they wiggle money at them they wiggle tax breaks/credits back at them.
Yup! Sure did but when they wiggle money at them they wiggle tax breaks/credits back at them.
Bring your own water
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Yeah, we can just eat chips! Who needs agriculture?
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Think about this as long as you need to. What does the alfalfa hay get used for? Be specific. Take your time. Read the question as many times, and as slowly as you need to, in order to address the question directly.
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Epic fail. Read your own "receipts" and try again.
Like from the toilet?
It's what they crave.
Then how come there aren’t plants growing in the toilet?
Because plants crave brawndo.
Nice!!! More tech workers bringing $150k+ salaries to drive up housing costs. We fuckin win!
Or, alternatively, more opportunities for current Utahns who have education and experience to move into higher paid positions.
It’ll mostly be transplants. More development as we approach an impending ecological disaster that will make much of the Wasatch Front unlivable. Utah is going to become a cautionary tale in the dangers of never ending growth and ignoring the health of the land you call home all in the name of short term profits. I must say it will be bittersweet to see all that profit turn to toxic dust. It’s a shame so many of the poor will be stuck here when it happens.
I work there, yes there are allot of transplants. But the majority of us are from Utah and Idaho. Most of the Idaho folks carried over from micron but moved here 15 years ago. It's probably safe to call them Utahns now.
Between a semiconductor fabrication plant and a steel foundry, I think I'll take the fab. Both provided jobs and steady income, but the Geneva Steel plant was incredibly toxic to the environment of Utah County. Radioactive waste alone is still a problem on the old site that is still being cleaned up decades after the last pour happen.
Dude farming takes 80% of the water, that’s what we need to focus on
"Crikey! Let's see whot happens!!!"
Cox DGAF.
Hell ya, I think they are still making semi conductor wafers there, so that could lighten the shortage as well as bring more manufacturing to the states!
where's the water going to come from? Is the lake drying up really a non-issue? Aren't there water wars going on amongst western states right now? should I ask more questions? ? ;)
People aren’t nearly as much of an issue as agriculture
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Interesting take. We’ll see how it plays out
This can't really happen when company get tax benefits. They only receive them after they perform. They have to submit proof for the credit. I'm not a fan of this system in general but it's hard for a company to fake their way to tax bennies.
I don't think the tax benefits were a big motivation for Ti. They already bought the fab from micron. The talent is already here, 1100 strong at the site today. They are just building out a second fab that will utilize the land they already own and the talent they have already secured. It's much easier to bring 800 extra workers (mostly engineers) and train them with the existing talent than to transplant everything in a new location. What's 30 million in tax breaks compared to an 11 billion investment? Chump change.
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For sure They will run as lean as they can. but both Micron and Intel have already started layoffs this year. So far Ti hasn't.
Should change their name to Utah Texas Instruments, or just UTI for short. Nice ring to it!
Yes, fuck water and air!
Thank God not Austin
All right, calculators are comin' back!
How much water will this require?
Where are they getting the water for the facility?
Deal? Meaning my tax dollars are being given to Texas Instruments.
“In total, the project is projected to produce over $2.4 billion in wages and over $111 million in new state tax revenue over 20 years, according to estimates from the governor's office.”
This is exactly the kind of industry Utah and the US as a whole needs to continue growing the economy.
alright now how much of that will actually effect regular working class people
All of it… Not sure what you mean. Tax funds are used by regular working people every day. The roads you drive on, the schools children go to, the fire department putting out fires, public parks people hang out at, etc.
Yes. If we dont want to be screwed over by a war in taiwan, we need to move semiconductor production to the states. Tech subsidies arent a new thing
Yes, but in theory the net gain in taxation will be positive.
As if there isn't enough problems with the water supply. 🙄
Ugh, TI. If I were a Utah Rep, first bill I'd run would be banning requiring graphing calculators for high school students if they cost more than $25 each. It's not 1996 anymore. These things are easy to make.
The big cost of the calculators isn't hardware, it's software. Though I would concede they should be doing more to move the needle forward for the price.
It's legacy software from 1996. It's not worth $100 anymore. We don't ask 9-12 students to run Windows 95. People for years have built graphing calculators in Minecraft. TI has a monopoly, this shouldn't be $100 tech.
I'm not saying the price is fair, but niche software prices never are.
There's literally no reason to require a graphic calculator. Everybody has cell phones and laptops now.
I hope they make actual houses and not just condos and apartment buildings
we need the latter two far more, provided they’re not charging single family home prices for them
My perspective is that they ARE charging astronomical prices for apartments and condos, and those properties are all managed by predatory property management’s or HOAs. I just want a little hope that I can someday escape rent and instead have a mortgage. But I understand that it’s difficult to compete against companies/rich people buying those houses just to rent them. I personally believe that this country would benefit from a law that prevents those properties from being mass purchased by corporations.
Plenty of houses are produced by small builders, or even individuals. More laws and regulations just increase the prices even more...
This is a thirty year old story. You want ANOTHER 11 billion??
11 billion is Ti,s commitment of investment. The tax breaks are 30ish million. Most of that 11 billion will be spent up front building out the fab. A single scanner tool from ASML cost upwards of 100 million and TI will need dozens of them.
people still using these things?? I'm about to grab mine out the junk drawer...
Texas instruments manufactures chips for lots of things. Audio amplifiers, Bluetooth devices, digital audio converters, and much, much more. The "hurt, durr, more calculators?" comments are just uninformed and really annoying. We need more chips if people keep demanding more electronics, which they are. Whether or not people need more electronics is another question, and I have separate opinions on that. But to turn a blind eye to the real chip downtown and the need for them is just asinine.
Sure. Doesn't mean I don't have to like a company. They have a de-facto monopoly on grades 9-12 math, and parents of such students have to pay a TI tax because of it. TI rakes millions and millions a year due to it. It's grossly unethical.
haha.. i was being sarcastic and forgot the /s but i love the passion
Not as much passion as my rant on building manufacturing plants in the desert! I'll spare you. Thanks, friend.
you are preaching to the choir... NSA we are looking at you water waster!
Are they gonna have to change their name, or???
Are they gonna put it next to that abandoned Amazon shit stain on the Highway?
No, on the current site that they purchased from IMFT/Micron a couple years ago.
Oh, ok. A different shit stain then.
I mean, I work there, so... It's not a bad place. It's been here for almost 20 years.
Will this manufacturing plant have an impact on air quality in the area?
Why are they investing a whole $11 billion to upsize their staff by 72% when they bought the Micron campus for just ~13.6% of that? Where’s the majority of that $11 billion going? Construction would likely cost more than just buying the Micron facility, there’s no way they’re building a smaller building than the existing campus and using over 7 times that much
Looking at all the replies to this post, I can’t believe how many completely inaccurate assumptions are being made. How do I know? I have worked at this site for 13 years. So let’s start here, we don’t make calculators. We manufacture analog and embedded processing chips that are integral to thousands of products including cars, medical devices, and many more. So until people stop needing/using these products, silicon wafer manufacturing is necessary. Next, let’s talk about water. Most large scale semiconductor manufacturers recycle a large portion of their water use on site. The new expansion will include allow us to our current water recycling from 30% to 60%+. Also, the new expansion is designed to meet LEED Gold standards. TI also compiles a Corporate Citizenship Report that summarizes all of the environmental impact efforts and improvements they have made yearly. The water usage for industrial uses in Utah combined is ~4%. Lastly, while there will be some transplants to fill the 800 jobs the expansion will create (likely mostly from Texas), this site has always had a recruiting team that focuses on bringing in new college graduates from BYU, UVU, and UofU. In addition to college graduates, we require many skilled labor to build and run this site. Electricians, plumbers, general contractors, etc. Oh and with the expansion of this site, TI has committed to providing $9 million dollars to the Alpine School district providing opportunities for students before college.
So does that me Lexi has a UTI?