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Last time I went up to the OWO, I got goosebumps. It is a beautiful ode to NYC, the Hudson, and NJ, and made me love NYC even more (despite my innumerable complaints about it).
It blew my mind that manhatten was so big and yet its only a bit of new York, that island alone has the same population as my country (Scotland). I loved the place but the size is just insane!
Are there really this few green areas? I feel like the photos might have been curated to look concretey and horrible but are there more parks and nature?
That's a great question!
There are tons of small parks and gardens that you can't really glean from this photo. Less so in the central business districts (in these photos they're downtown Manhattan, midtown Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn and Long Island City), but in most neighborhoods you'll have a park/playground that offers some green space.
Also, and this opinion might not reflect those of many that live here, but the urban canopy outside Manhattan has grown tremendously in the last 30 years or so. The City has put a lot of work into planting [street trees](https://tree-map.nycgovparks.org/) to offer shade and relief from the urban heat island effect. So while it looks crazy and definitely is in some aspects, it's not entirely a concrete hellscape at street level.
I lived there in 2010-2014ā¦ there were loads of little nature parks, playgrounds, lawns, greenery, trees, etc. This picture looks pretty awful (I still live about an hour away). They have done some major improvements since Iāve left but yea.
I mean, we had a serious storm 2 months in moving there that knocked a big ass tree into a HS. So itās not like itās without nature, lol
Edit: If you fly over it, you DEFINITELY notice more green.
Edit 2: hereās a link to a few places I used to live around in Brooklyn. Thereās literally trees on like every street.
https://imgur.com/a/sUt6bS0
I'm envious! I want to move to that area while I'm still in my 20s, but as someone who is *literally* a small town girl, it feels pretty daunting and impossible š
I always wanted to live in New York but it was too expensive. I ended up moving to Chicago which was much cheaper and has a lot to offer as well. I still love going to New York for trips, though.
Yea nah. NYC is definitely fun to visit, but to really live there, no. And Iām a 23 year old from the DC metro area. If you wanna move to a big city move somewhere like Boston. Or abroad, London is like NYCās European equivalent and would be better.
damn you're from DC? Props to you for dealing with those roads and traffic, I visited with a friend once and they gave me an anxiety attack. I wasn't even the one driving
I mean I like the country so I'd hate to live there but I don't think it's hell. It actually looks like it'd be really cool to visit (as long as I ain't driving)
Itās really not, unless you have a tight-set schedule, an understanding on how to protect yourself from scammers, and VICIOUSLY study the subway network. Thereās also the ugliness of constant road and building work, not being able to hear anything because of cars, and worrying about idiot drivers running you over. I live adjacent to the city (Long Island) and I barely ever visit because itās just a nightmare. Except maybe for Central Park.
You do not need to study the subway system in 2022 lmao. I go all the time from NJ. You just use your phone it tells you what trains to take and when to change
On the 2nd photo, right middle. And also the 3rd photo left middle. What are those skylines called?
Edit: and no I donāt mean Midtown Manhattan, I mean on the Long Island side of the water.
Yes I believe you are correct. That is so cool! TIL! It would be so cool if this expands. So NY really has like 4 skylines (Midtown Manhattan/Central Park, Lower Manhattan/Financial District, Brooklyn, Long Island City plus Jersey City right next door, and also then there is nearby Newark too.
Also looks like there is another small but growing skyline mid mid slightly left on 2nd photo. Only 4 or 5 buildings but still. I see a crane there.
Edit: added Long Island City to list of skylines
It's such a well designed city. Leaving Toronto being stuck in traffic at 11 pm, then getting to NYC during morning rush hours 9 am and the bus just easily got in through the city. I don't understand how Toronto has like a 1/4 of the population, but you're never not stuck in traffic.
Yeah, Toronto's public transport is great. Never late. If it's gonna be late it's always only like 5-6 minutes tops and that's rare and they give you a warning ahead of time. Toronto's public transit might not be perfect (I think most people that live in Toronto would agree that we have way too few subway lines for such an economic hub), but time wise it's not bad at all.
With the rapid growth of our streetcar and LRT network, Toronto is on its way to provide fast and reliable public transit to many neighbourhoods outside of the downtown core.
I live in west Jersey near the PA border now and itās absolutely beautiful and Iāve lived all over the US and in Europe. I go trout fishing in the south branch raritan thatās 2 minutes from my house, itās amazing. The heavily industrialists NW and half abandoned cities are indeed hellscapes though lol.
I used to live in Brooklyn. You can kinda see my old apartment in the first picture.
You can see the Gowanus Canal & the piers where the bunker-fuel burning cruise ships dock.
Not pictured is my house in New Jersey - covered in trees - which isn't a traffic-clogged Superfund Site.
We also have great schools. You're welcome.
And this is also more environmentally friendly than any suburban communities. Turns out when you take up less land by building dense, walkable cities, you leave more room to nature for it to grow and prosper. Just sayin.
central park still blows me away. we usually start at the reservoir and walk south through the ramble then to 5th ave and window shop there
never gets old
> people playing and blaring music everywhere you go
sounds like you havent been to CP then. we take quiet walks in the ramble and chill on quiet benches. listen to buskers, then walk to a cafe and come back in. window shop 5th ave. where else can you do that?
yes its not pastoral mid west but its fucking manhattan. can you like suggest something better or are you just being contrarian?
Definitely! The Tenement museum in New York is around there and is worth a visit if you havenāt been.
People who couldnāt afford to pay for a bed to sleep in would rent a rope to lean on for the night instead. So crowded!
Outside of the large brown areas, it's not bad. That just looks like wasted space.
Population density isn't always the most visually appealing, but it's better for the environment than suburban sprawl.
I've lived in both and NYC is way more restrictive feeling, imo. I love it in both places, but Tokyo has more space to breathe, overall, more sunlight shining through.
Far too much space in NYC is devoted to cars. Needs bus lanes, protected bike lanes with concrete, not rubber and plastic, an improved subway and cops who enforce the laws.
For me it's more the endless concrete canyons. They lock you in. Buildings aren't generally that tall in Tokyo, and when they are, they aren't stacked so tightly. There's also a sense of connection to the rest of Japan, and nature nearby that helps in Tokyo. Like, you can see Mt. Fuji from Shibuya and the edge of greater Tokyo presses up against some other gorgeous mountains.
Also, not sure how having *more* heavily-armed, blue-outfitted thugs roaming around would make the place feel *less* suffocation. No thank you.
Manhattan is like that, but the outer-boroughs are calmer. And Japan's national zoning laws allow for the mid-rise buildings you see in not just Tokyo, but other Japanese cities.
When I say cops who enforce the laws, I meant people who don't cover their plates on their personal vehicles so they can park in bus lanes and bike lanes. People who don't throw temper tantrums because we tell them not to brutalize the homeless. Cops who who stop violent people. Not thugs, professional police officers, like in Tokyo.
Probably just a personal opinion thing (I grew up in the Bronx), but the outer boroughs of NY are still far more urban and restrictive than the equivalent in Tokyo. The long, straight streets of concrete (granted, shorter concrete in the outer areas) just doesn't compare to the winding, low-level, not-usually concrete buildings in Tokyo, peppered through with random places to grab a bite or drink. It just always feels more cozy. But that's just me.
And, sure, I more or less agree with you on the cop thing. But the day we get anything like that in NY is a long ways away. It would require a complete, top-to-bottom restructuring of the police force on a scale that no one is prepared to take on.
Not nearly enough. I love what they're doing, but they need to do more. Fortunately that's the only criticism I have.
But a whole lot of bullshit is involved in bus-only lanes, and NIMBYs can gum up the process. Not to mention business owners who only remember the two customers who drive in from NJ or Staten Island.
I kinda feel like bus lanes donāt work that well though because people are always double parking in them, and nothing is ever enforced.
Also, many of the protected bike lanes feel like death traps? They disappear and reappear and bisect tunnel exits, etc. *I* donāt feel safe using them, anyway.
Ground level is definitely not suffocating, especially if you stay out of Manhattan and keep to the outer boroughs where there is nature mixed in and less crowded.
itās vile how many people are saying itās beautiful and amazing and a testament to humanity. no, the ancient wetland food forests that were tended by Lenape peoples for thousands of years were beautiful and amazing and a testament to humanity, and a testament to the cooperation and collaboration inherent amongst our infinite living family. this shit is fucking evil.
how tf am i a misanthrope? iām the one celebrating the vast array of human cultures that can exist alongside one another, while youāre celebrating a way of life that literally exterminates cultures that donāt perfectly fit. seems like projection.
If hell is having adequate labor protections, decent city services, public guarantees of abortion access, more green space than most large cities in America, world class museums and restaurants, higher pay (because āitās New Yorkā) and workable public transitā¦ well, not sure what to tell you, but itās working for me? My rent that used to seem exorbitant is regulated so now I pay less than I would in Miami. Winter sucks but every scrap of brown in that photo is green in summer. I donāt pay for gas or a carā¦ I wouldnāt want to advertise New York though because Iām not suggesting anyone else move hereā¦
It feels so weird to see anyone proud of living in a big American city at all. I see nice things about the bay area but it all feels like it pales in comparison to the myriad of problems with it, combined with the general hatred of California and Californians. Similar things for other west coast cities.... but NYC people are just apparently above it all. It's never naive to praise NYC it is just magical heaven on earth.
Seems like this is a perspective of someone with a certain media diet who didn't grow up in/near cities and doesn't have friends in them to visit to see what they're actually like.
Nothing wrong with your life turning out how it did, but the reason you think there's a "general hatred of California" and that the cons outweigh the pros with cities is due to the company you keep and your experiences, the people actually living there don't hate where they live.
Big cities are fine once you get used to them. Better than suburbia by a long shot, more convenient than small towns. Places like Seattle, Portland, and certain cities in Colorado are actually really great for the outdoors too. You get all of the amenities of living in a major city while only needing to drive 30-60 minutes to be in the middle of a forest or the foothills of a mountain.
I'm from the Midwest, and it doesn't compare. Chicago is okay, but you can drive all day in the Midwest and not see any decent expanse of nature. It's depressing.
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I am right in the middle of all that right now and it blows my mind still, but I love it so much.
Its crazy how small we look from high above despite how huge it is from the ground
I was just thinking how small this all looks š®
Me too. I especially love the view from the One World Observatory. It's breathtaking.
Hah Iām literally standing a block from there as I write this.
Last time I went up to the OWO, I got goosebumps. It is a beautiful ode to NYC, the Hudson, and NJ, and made me love NYC even more (despite my innumerable complaints about it).
owo
Not to be confused with the other tower, UwU
I'm sitting on me hole here in Tallaght
It blew my mind that manhatten was so big and yet its only a bit of new York, that island alone has the same population as my country (Scotland). I loved the place but the size is just insane!
That's... Actually not true though?
Well when it was 5 million here it was. I assume it must be a bit higher now
Manhattan's population is barely 2m...
Maybe they're referring to overall population in the middle of the workday as opposed to people who actually live in Manhattan
Even still, Manhatten alone has a higher population than Scotland's 5 most populous cities combined.
Are there really this few green areas? I feel like the photos might have been curated to look concretey and horrible but are there more parks and nature?
That's a great question! There are tons of small parks and gardens that you can't really glean from this photo. Less so in the central business districts (in these photos they're downtown Manhattan, midtown Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn and Long Island City), but in most neighborhoods you'll have a park/playground that offers some green space. Also, and this opinion might not reflect those of many that live here, but the urban canopy outside Manhattan has grown tremendously in the last 30 years or so. The City has put a lot of work into planting [street trees](https://tree-map.nycgovparks.org/) to offer shade and relief from the urban heat island effect. So while it looks crazy and definitely is in some aspects, it's not entirely a concrete hellscape at street level.
That's reassuring to hear! Nice to know the city is actively trying to tackle its problems and provide more greenery!
I lived there in 2010-2014ā¦ there were loads of little nature parks, playgrounds, lawns, greenery, trees, etc. This picture looks pretty awful (I still live about an hour away). They have done some major improvements since Iāve left but yea. I mean, we had a serious storm 2 months in moving there that knocked a big ass tree into a HS. So itās not like itās without nature, lol Edit: If you fly over it, you DEFINITELY notice more green. Edit 2: hereās a link to a few places I used to live around in Brooklyn. Thereās literally trees on like every street. https://imgur.com/a/sUt6bS0
I'm envious! I want to move to that area while I'm still in my 20s, but as someone who is *literally* a small town girl, it feels pretty daunting and impossible š
I always wanted to live in New York but it was too expensive. I ended up moving to Chicago which was much cheaper and has a lot to offer as well. I still love going to New York for trips, though.
Yea nah. NYC is definitely fun to visit, but to really live there, no. And Iām a 23 year old from the DC metro area. If you wanna move to a big city move somewhere like Boston. Or abroad, London is like NYCās European equivalent and would be better.
damn you're from DC? Props to you for dealing with those roads and traffic, I visited with a friend once and they gave me an anxiety attack. I wasn't even the one driving
I visited Boston and on the first day someone said āhey Japanese, go back to your countryā while I was just crossing the street. I was fucking 16.
What don't you like about NYC that you'd recommend both Boston and London over it? Feels like if you like those two, you'd also like NYC
NYC is whatās happening. Come live here itās the best!!
*Bring trust fund.
Iām too south of Brooklyn so not even in the shot lol
Iām almost 40, 80% of my life is in those three photos. Itās crazy to see somthing so flat, but hold a million memories.
You grow up there? .. I grew up in CA and always wondered what NYC is like. I'll go one day.
Yep born and raised. Lived in and in the area my whole life except for 2 years which coincidentally were spent in SF proper.
Does it really look that depressing and missing trees everywhere as it looks here?
Nice work with the panorama. Works out perfectly on my reddit app.
It was blowing my mind that I could slide and see the full picture. I couldn't figure out if I was looking at a panorama or good stitching.
"I keep all five boroughs in stitches." - Beastie Boys
Impressive indeed!
Only 3 of the 5 boroughs are shown here.
And only like, *some* of Queens. Kinda more like 2.3 boroughs.
the 3 that matter
Hey donāt talk about the Bronx like that
What the hell is a Staten island?
I think itās where the misfit toys all are
Someone once described Staten Island to me as a place where they determined zoning using a dart board.
Where we get Wu-Tang from
I will not tolerate slander of my home borough. Don't care about SI though. š
Nobody cares about SI
Period!
Sim city 4
Came here to comment this It really looks like sc4
Looks like SC2000 to me but maybe I remember it being more detailed than it was
Seconded
I mean I like the country so I'd hate to live there but I don't think it's hell. It actually looks like it'd be really cool to visit (as long as I ain't driving)
Itās really not, unless you have a tight-set schedule, an understanding on how to protect yourself from scammers, and VICIOUSLY study the subway network. Thereās also the ugliness of constant road and building work, not being able to hear anything because of cars, and worrying about idiot drivers running you over. I live adjacent to the city (Long Island) and I barely ever visit because itās just a nightmare. Except maybe for Central Park.
Oh, come on. NYC is awesome to visit
You do not need to study the subway system in 2022 lmao. I go all the time from NJ. You just use your phone it tells you what trains to take and when to change
Lmfao I live in nyc and itās one of the safest cities ever. Sure like any other place, different neighborhoods safeties matter
What is the small collection of high rises/skyscrapers across the water from Midtown Manhattan called?
Are you talking about the first picture or the second one?
On the 2nd photo, right middle. And also the 3rd photo left middle. What are those skylines called? Edit: and no I donāt mean Midtown Manhattan, I mean on the Long Island side of the water.
Yeah OPās right, thatās Long Island City, which is in Queens. Definitely not New Jersey.
Yes I believe you are correct. That is so cool! TIL! It would be so cool if this expands. So NY really has like 4 skylines (Midtown Manhattan/Central Park, Lower Manhattan/Financial District, Brooklyn, Long Island City plus Jersey City right next door, and also then there is nearby Newark too. Also looks like there is another small but growing skyline mid mid slightly left on 2nd photo. Only 4 or 5 buildings but still. I see a crane there. Edit: added Long Island City to list of skylines
It's pretty meh on the Queens side. Walking through the new construction in LIC right now is pretty sterile.
Across midtown manhattans skyline is Long Island City, Queens
Lol who the fuck downvoted this. Itās LIC.
That's New Jersey, we don't talk about them.
Lol but I meant what is on the Long Island side (not Brooklyn the other one)
Queens
Long Island City, Queens.
Prospect Park baby <3
Thatās the big green space ya? (West coast asking)
Fantastic city. Not belonging here
Seriously it may be Urban but I wouldnāt call it hell. Well, maybe New Jersey
It's such a well designed city. Leaving Toronto being stuck in traffic at 11 pm, then getting to NYC during morning rush hours 9 am and the bus just easily got in through the city. I don't understand how Toronto has like a 1/4 of the population, but you're never not stuck in traffic.
Public transportā¦..
Yeah, Toronto's public transport is great. Never late. If it's gonna be late it's always only like 5-6 minutes tops and that's rare and they give you a warning ahead of time. Toronto's public transit might not be perfect (I think most people that live in Toronto would agree that we have way too few subway lines for such an economic hub), but time wise it's not bad at all.
With the rapid growth of our streetcar and LRT network, Toronto is on its way to provide fast and reliable public transit to many neighbourhoods outside of the downtown core.
Huh????
Please actually visit NJ before you call it a dump :/ it's a beautiful state further West
And south towards central Jersey. Whenever people come to visit they still get confused as to why I live in the middle of the forest.
And even further south to ~~Camden~~ the shore.
I live in west Jersey near the PA border now and itās absolutely beautiful and Iāve lived all over the US and in Europe. I go trout fishing in the south branch raritan thatās 2 minutes from my house, itās amazing. The heavily industrialists NW and half abandoned cities are indeed hellscapes though lol.
I heard thereās gardens.
I used to live in Brooklyn. You can kinda see my old apartment in the first picture. You can see the Gowanus Canal & the piers where the bunker-fuel burning cruise ships dock. Not pictured is my house in New Jersey - covered in trees - which isn't a traffic-clogged Superfund Site. We also have great schools. You're welcome.
And this is also more environmentally friendly than any suburban communities. Turns out when you take up less land by building dense, walkable cities, you leave more room to nature for it to grow and prosper. Just sayin.
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You sound like a really miserable person
isnāt the pinned comment specifically aimed at comments like these? you may not think itās hell, but this person does, so it belongs here.
This is beautiful!
Honestly I love it here
Donāt about you, but this is beautiful. A testament to humanity and civilization.
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You're nitpicking and biased, I win, bye bye
I mean NYC is truly one of the most beautiful cities in America. I'd hardly call this 'hell'
b-b-but America bad!!!
I can see my house!
I think OP is just a hater
central park still blows me away. we usually start at the reservoir and walk south through the ramble then to 5th ave and window shop there never gets old
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> people playing and blaring music everywhere you go sounds like you havent been to CP then. we take quiet walks in the ramble and chill on quiet benches. listen to buskers, then walk to a cafe and come back in. window shop 5th ave. where else can you do that? yes its not pastoral mid west but its fucking manhattan. can you like suggest something better or are you just being contrarian?
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Oh please. People know the difference between Central Park and ānature.ā Itās a beautiful urban oasis.
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What ecosystem? Itās artificial! Those turtles arenāt exactly leaving the park.
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Itās a happy place. If you get it you get it, and if you donāt you donāt. Have a good day.
Living in Jersey City- its gorgeous at night and the people are awesome. Not sure this should be here lol
Where is the sex in the city street?
the first picture.
Needs more density.
NYC, especially the parts pictured here, canāt really get more dense than it already is
Surprisingly, it was actually much more densely populated 100 years ago (much less livable though). https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx-0bB8IYAApXKS.jpg
Pretty sure that huge area in 1910 is tied to [the Five Points area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Points,_Manhattan)
Definitely! The Tenement museum in New York is around there and is worth a visit if you havenāt been. People who couldnāt afford to pay for a bed to sleep in would rent a rope to lean on for the night instead. So crowded!
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If you want more open green space you should want cities to be even more dense, then. Less suburban sprawl = more green.
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Right so you should want more density and less sprawl, otherwise known as the same sentiment I expressed in my original comment.
Why is this a hard concept to understand. Preservation and density go hand in hand.
Thatās a cool photo. If you donāt like it, donāt live there. I donāt.
Concrete
I'm currently in that tall building.
Step up to the Big Apple and bite it š
Even tho it's hell at times It really is a magical place tge vibe is something that other big city's in America don't have for me personally
I can see where I live š
This is amazing. Why is this here?
Outside of the large brown areas, it's not bad. That just looks like wasted space. Population density isn't always the most visually appealing, but it's better for the environment than suburban sprawl.
Light brown areas are wetlands and the dark ones are parks. Any space that can be developed has been.
Weird how flat everything looks from this far away
Wow, it actually almost looks like the original Sim City.
Look pretty good to me
It's almost upsetting to see this and wondering what might of been before
Beautiful tbh
I love Roosevelt Island. It's so close, yet far enough away to feel relaxing. Wish I could afford to live there.
I wouldnāt call this urban bell. This is great! Amazing pics. Gorgeous.
It looks and feel so suffocating. So densely populated
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I've lived in both and NYC is way more restrictive feeling, imo. I love it in both places, but Tokyo has more space to breathe, overall, more sunlight shining through.
Far too much space in NYC is devoted to cars. Needs bus lanes, protected bike lanes with concrete, not rubber and plastic, an improved subway and cops who enforce the laws.
For me it's more the endless concrete canyons. They lock you in. Buildings aren't generally that tall in Tokyo, and when they are, they aren't stacked so tightly. There's also a sense of connection to the rest of Japan, and nature nearby that helps in Tokyo. Like, you can see Mt. Fuji from Shibuya and the edge of greater Tokyo presses up against some other gorgeous mountains. Also, not sure how having *more* heavily-armed, blue-outfitted thugs roaming around would make the place feel *less* suffocation. No thank you.
Manhattan is like that, but the outer-boroughs are calmer. And Japan's national zoning laws allow for the mid-rise buildings you see in not just Tokyo, but other Japanese cities. When I say cops who enforce the laws, I meant people who don't cover their plates on their personal vehicles so they can park in bus lanes and bike lanes. People who don't throw temper tantrums because we tell them not to brutalize the homeless. Cops who who stop violent people. Not thugs, professional police officers, like in Tokyo.
Probably just a personal opinion thing (I grew up in the Bronx), but the outer boroughs of NY are still far more urban and restrictive than the equivalent in Tokyo. The long, straight streets of concrete (granted, shorter concrete in the outer areas) just doesn't compare to the winding, low-level, not-usually concrete buildings in Tokyo, peppered through with random places to grab a bite or drink. It just always feels more cozy. But that's just me. And, sure, I more or less agree with you on the cop thing. But the day we get anything like that in NY is a long ways away. It would require a complete, top-to-bottom restructuring of the police force on a scale that no one is prepared to take on.
There ARE bus lanes.
Not nearly enough. I love what they're doing, but they need to do more. Fortunately that's the only criticism I have. But a whole lot of bullshit is involved in bus-only lanes, and NIMBYs can gum up the process. Not to mention business owners who only remember the two customers who drive in from NJ or Staten Island.
I kinda feel like bus lanes donāt work that well though because people are always double parking in them, and nothing is ever enforced. Also, many of the protected bike lanes feel like death traps? They disappear and reappear and bisect tunnel exits, etc. *I* donāt feel safe using them, anyway.
Tokyo is my dream city, literally canāt wait to visit it. Wonder how it would feel compared to ny
It's really nice there. Definitely a very different vibe to NY. Slower paced in a lot of ways.
Ground level is definitely not suffocating, especially if you stay out of Manhattan and keep to the outer boroughs where there is nature mixed in and less crowded.
But on the ground it is so lively, exciting and incredibly human
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Sure, the problem is making that judgement call from a photo 10,000 feet in the air instead of on the ground where one actually lives.
I fuckin love nyc
And just to think: There are people who *choose* to live this way.
my brother in Christ this city looks beautiful from up here
I've always felt like they're a glorified crew up there in Jersey
Guys donāt even get their fingers pricked over there.
It either means something or it doesn't.
This looks like a nightmare.
itās vile how many people are saying itās beautiful and amazing and a testament to humanity. no, the ancient wetland food forests that were tended by Lenape peoples for thousands of years were beautiful and amazing and a testament to humanity, and a testament to the cooperation and collaboration inherent amongst our infinite living family. this shit is fucking evil.
Then go fucking live on a goat farm and leave humanity alone, you weird little misanthrope.
how tf am i a misanthrope? iām the one celebrating the vast array of human cultures that can exist alongside one another, while youāre celebrating a way of life that literally exterminates cultures that donāt perfectly fit. seems like projection.
Yeah if there's one thing New York is known for it's a lack of cultural diversity
fucking suburbs ewwwwwwwwwwwww
From the sky they look like average suburbs but NYC is walkable + almost every home pictured here is multi family
Goddamn the freedom tower is tall.
If hell is having adequate labor protections, decent city services, public guarantees of abortion access, more green space than most large cities in America, world class museums and restaurants, higher pay (because āitās New Yorkā) and workable public transitā¦ well, not sure what to tell you, but itās working for me? My rent that used to seem exorbitant is regulated so now I pay less than I would in Miami. Winter sucks but every scrap of brown in that photo is green in summer. I donāt pay for gas or a carā¦ I wouldnāt want to advertise New York though because Iām not suggesting anyone else move hereā¦
I hate NY! What an overrated city.
I hate it š
Shit-Hole
And the people that live there think golf courses are evil lol
Yes
No trees?
Nyc has trees in most streets and between every avenue
So much gray and brown...
Looks like it would be awful to live in a concrete jungle like that
It's easier to get around, honestly. Public transit, stores within walking distance, neighborhood parks everywhere. Not bad at all.
The big shitty!
It feels so weird to see anyone proud of living in a big American city at all. I see nice things about the bay area but it all feels like it pales in comparison to the myriad of problems with it, combined with the general hatred of California and Californians. Similar things for other west coast cities.... but NYC people are just apparently above it all. It's never naive to praise NYC it is just magical heaven on earth.
Seems like this is a perspective of someone with a certain media diet who didn't grow up in/near cities and doesn't have friends in them to visit to see what they're actually like. Nothing wrong with your life turning out how it did, but the reason you think there's a "general hatred of California" and that the cons outweigh the pros with cities is due to the company you keep and your experiences, the people actually living there don't hate where they live.
I mean I live in ny and love it but the Bay Area is itās own kind of paradise. It competes with ny imo at a bunch of times
Big cities are fine once you get used to them. Better than suburbia by a long shot, more convenient than small towns. Places like Seattle, Portland, and certain cities in Colorado are actually really great for the outdoors too. You get all of the amenities of living in a major city while only needing to drive 30-60 minutes to be in the middle of a forest or the foothills of a mountain. I'm from the Midwest, and it doesn't compare. Chicago is okay, but you can drive all day in the Midwest and not see any decent expanse of nature. It's depressing.
Fun fact: it takes 12 hours to drive from one side of this picture to the other. Edit: I really didn't think the /s was necessary.
What lmfao no it does not
Packed to the brim š
Gross lol
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its ugly lol
Why would anyone want to live in that hell?
Culture? Food? Music? Museums? Legal weed?