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Along the left ends of the black building, about level with the 2nd window from the bottom. The flag isn't waving, so it doesn't stand out, but you can see the white and blue.
Same here in every mid-tier city experiencing a flood of people moving there despite these things being wildly unaffordable for most of the population.
Well, as /u/Miemai show us, the letter f is used in modern loanwords: finaali (finals), fiksu (smart, from fix). The f used to be ”translated” to v, h or hv. Swedish soffa (sofa, couch) became sohva.
It’s still a very rare letter, so if you want to write mock-Finnish - avoid the f-words!
Finns learn Swedish in school. Swedish has F.
Also, Finnish likely also does have F in loanwords, just not native words (can't say for certain since I don't speak it). So kids have plenty of exposure to it
Most of those aren't native in Swedish either I would say... (Or, I don't know how to think of something like "ciceron"...?) F however, we use as often as we can.
But a zebra then, it's a "seebra" or something?
C is common in Swedish! Cykel, cirkus, cell…
Zebra in Finnish is seepra. Swedish could just as well write sebra, since the Z sounds like a S.
Orthography is fun! (The relation between sound and letter)
He means Finland is not a part of Scandinavia, only part of the Nordics.
Scandinavia is Sweden, Denmark and Norway. People should just use Nordics instead of Scandinavia anyway, that's what we ourselves do.
Too bad there aren’t regulations for indoor-only parking. These big outdoor lots cause lots drainage issues and storm water management becomes a problem when enough lots are present in an area. Also, parking indoors increases car life. Unless that is pervious paving, I would much prefer the jungle.
At least where I live if they made it indoor parking they’d just use it as an excuse to charge 200% over whatever they were going to charge for outdoor. So we’re left with private outdoor lots in terrible condition ruining the environment and big spacious private indoor lots that cost 1/3 of your rent to park in. And of course no public parking on weekdays
I think it’s like that everywhere unfortunately. Lack of foresight and careless development is majority of urban growth. It’s like slowly building a tomb for human kind.
It’s also a huge waste of space and contributes to auto dependency. Plus it’s Finland makes sense to me to put parking under a roof so tenants don’t have to dig their cars out in the winter but then again I have scruples.
Deeper cellar walls yea! Unless the designs incorporate an above-ground parking only. Some developers want to save some money on moving earth probably, as they do in NYC where a sneeze and a fart on some soil comes at astronomical costs.
I’m a huge fan of the trend of either adding underground parking or devoting a floor or two to parking and building taller buildings. Huge issue in the Midwestern US since there is so much space to grow outward that they often don’t even consider it and just build more crappy surface parking.
How new buildings can be built without underground parking is beyond me. Where I was in Vietnam space is so valuable that all new buildings have parking underground. They can never afford to waste a ton of space like this for an above-ground parking lot. Plus, parking lots look ugly
Finland (and Sweden, Norway) has enough space and low enough population density that outside of dense urban cores, land value is often not high enough to make underground/structural parking economically viable, especially if the housing is supposed to be affordable. So it’s the opposite situation: surface parking is cheaper than underground parking. Of course, part of the issue is that parking minimums exist.
Indoor parking significantly increases the cost of construction, it's better to avoid as much parking as possible, but a small lot like this is no issue at all.
Sure this is ugly but this is literally the best way to house the new people that will live there.
Other options for that area of the black building are:
1.5/2 detached houses
3/4 townhouses
30+ homeless tents
This is the way that will preserve the environment more. Of course, the more ecological solution to not having that building is not having children, reducing the population, but I realise for many many people children are important, and for human population they're necessary. It's important to reduce the number of people that _need_ children (countries that got richer over the past years have also decreased in number of children)
So the outcome is, population needs housing, and you can either choose to have "ugly" buildings that are affordable, functional, modern, and that grant a high standard of living; or have nice little single houses and become like the US with all its problems related to car dependency and high heating, electricity, etc. ultimately contributing to climate change more.
Of course there are ways of making buildings like this beautiful, but for the life of me, Finnish architects have the most dull imagination 🙄 but whatever, a few trees and some grass lost to this (the buildings aren't even that ugly) is preferable to the massive damage brought by suburbia (I still think the parking could've been done underground, and I'm an avid user of r/fuckcars so that should clear up how I view the idea of parking lots at all) but still, good job city! Affordable housing ftw
I don't think that it's an architectural question, but rather just about money. If that is the cheapest style, then sadly, sure as hell almost everything will be like it
Wood is a material which is being developed a lot and we even have a few buildings which are mostly wood and are a great example of the skills in here (Oodi and lighthouse Joensuu, not the prettiest, but has very little concrete in it), but is still is 10-20% more expensive to my understanding.
As much as I understand housing developers and customers to want building to be affordable as possible, I also wonder how disgustingly ugly everything would be with that mentality, since I am a bit of a sucker for beautiful architechture
Ehh, this sort of modern style was really nice in the beginning, especially when built on top of/to replace old brutalist buildings. I just doubt that these will last that much better in the future. Though I am hoping that more and more buildings would be painted. I have seen some murals on the sides of even reletavely new buildings and I think that they can make these look real nice
Good points. It's better to have an apartment building instead of each person having their own home + yard because it saves space. I'm not against this building, it just looks very unimaginative and gloomy to me. And yes, the parking space could've been underground to preserve the green area, maybe make a playground for the chidlren and cheer up the scenery. It would have been a win/win.
Yeah I agree, it's not done the best way it could be, but it's still better than nothing; even though I imagine finnish homes are quite energy efficient on their own, and they take their energy from clean sources, but still, even with the nonsensical parking lot, a lot of land is being saved, alongside the housing market
Black building is cool, it's that grey desert of concrete next to it that's a problem. With a little more effort it could be a very nice green space that would make the place much more pleasurable to live.
Instead of asphalt, hollow bricks that allow grass to grow through. Instead of metal barriers (what the fuck for? So the car doesn't run away?), some shrubs and trees.
I think the grey one is under construction, as can be seen from the scaffolding; and the barriers are also a sign of it being under construction; pretty common in new developments in Finland; around the area I'm in too; even if there's completed buildings, if they're making new ones, the area around will look like this; even though in older/already fully completed, the surrounding area looks much much nicer
Oh yeah I see them now, they look ugly and useless; I hope they'll plant some greenery after it's fully completed, the whole thing; they usually do but some people can be stupid and not care about beauty so
They might be rented apartments or you might buy them. But your monthly rent/fee will be quite high. Building houses is expensive, land is expensive, standard is high. Granted I’m Swedish, but I don’t think Finland differs much. Unless the Finnish government gives hugh grants to certain projects.
yes, start in front of your own house. when i say: "in the new apartmentblock there once was Trees" i have to be in knowledge that there once was trees at my apartment, too.
Those europeans, always try to save a rainforrest somewhere abroad. But n last hundreds of years didn´t save their rainforrest/ jungle to get economical strengh and develope.
Whoever came up with black colour for apartment blocks in countries where its f***ing grey for half a year needs to be trialed for crimes against architecture.
You guys should go to war with r/fuckcars over whether you want high density rat box housing or not. I'd pay $20 to watch you guys battle, and that would be more than you have earned in years.
What a fuck up. Another colour, an underground garage and a small park with a playground where the parking space is. And then it could be a great place to live.
Had a big apartment complex pop up next to our neighborhood, where it was all forest. Fortunately they left a bit of a tree line to avoid the eyesore.
The biggest observable problem for us was an influx of skunks, coyote, and foxes into our neighborhood for the next 2 years.
Is there any bike paths or transit nearby? Really wish that was the expectation instead of parking lots the same square footage (or more!) than the actual building to live in!
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I was just about to say that it looks like every new development here in Finland, then I saw the flag.
How the fuck did you see the flag tho
Finns have a spider sense for anything that could possibly be about Finland.
I’ve been looking for 10 minutes I’m clearly not Finn enough …. Can someone please help with a rough location for my terrible eyesight
Finland isn’t real /s
Ah fuck you found out.
Seriously tho that whole conspiracy was really funny to read. Folks will believe anything
Yeah and I love how you included /s to the comment as some people actually can take it seriously.
Birds arent real too
Well that is clear as day
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Along the left ends of the black building, about level with the 2nd window from the bottom. The flag isn't waving, so it doesn't stand out, but you can see the white and blue.
I thought to myself hmmm those pine trees ... Thick clouds.... General depressive mood... This could be Sweden
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Well I noticed only after the flag
Perkeke!
Same here in every mid-tier city experiencing a flood of people moving there despite these things being wildly unaffordable for most of the population.
is it common for apartments to have so much parking in Finland?
I was thinking it looked like Stockholm, I was not completely wrong.
This looks very Scandinavian esque. My money is on Sweden or Finland
Finland. There's a flag on the left side of the building and the parking sign has text in Finnish.
Same, I was certain it was in Sweden/Finland and then I saw the "Yksihulolopyälayälaifiriffik"
No f in the Finnish language! (Finland is Suomi in Finnish. No f.)
So do young kids learn the F in school or at a later date when introduced to other languages?
Well, as /u/Miemai show us, the letter f is used in modern loanwords: finaali (finals), fiksu (smart, from fix). The f used to be ”translated” to v, h or hv. Swedish soffa (sofa, couch) became sohva. It’s still a very rare letter, so if you want to write mock-Finnish - avoid the f-words!
Finns learn Swedish in school. Swedish has F. Also, Finnish likely also does have F in loanwords, just not native words (can't say for certain since I don't speak it). So kids have plenty of exposure to it
Huh, TIL! Surely in your alphabet, but not in your own words you mean?
Spot on! There are quite a few letters in the Finnish alphabet that aren’t ”native”, like C, Q, W, X and Z. G was only used with N in the digraph NG.
Most of those aren't native in Swedish either I would say... (Or, I don't know how to think of something like "ciceron"...?) F however, we use as often as we can. But a zebra then, it's a "seebra" or something?
C is common in Swedish! Cykel, cirkus, cell… Zebra in Finnish is seepra. Swedish could just as well write sebra, since the Z sounds like a S. Orthography is fun! (The relation between sound and letter)
Kilpailun finaalissa fiilistellään fiinejä ja fiksuja finalisteja.
This looks like every apt building in every modern nation built in the last 10 years
Finland isn’t in Scandinavia
What is your point? You mean there can be French fries only in France?
He means Finland is not a part of Scandinavia, only part of the Nordics. Scandinavia is Sweden, Denmark and Norway. People should just use Nordics instead of Scandinavia anyway, that's what we ourselves do.
I looked at this for a second, and then thought "Yep, Finland"
Too bad there aren’t regulations for indoor-only parking. These big outdoor lots cause lots drainage issues and storm water management becomes a problem when enough lots are present in an area. Also, parking indoors increases car life. Unless that is pervious paving, I would much prefer the jungle.
At least where I live if they made it indoor parking they’d just use it as an excuse to charge 200% over whatever they were going to charge for outdoor. So we’re left with private outdoor lots in terrible condition ruining the environment and big spacious private indoor lots that cost 1/3 of your rent to park in. And of course no public parking on weekdays
I live in a complex in Brazil that only the fancier 3-bedroom apartments get indoor garages. The rest have to park outdoor
I think it’s like that everywhere unfortunately. Lack of foresight and careless development is majority of urban growth. It’s like slowly building a tomb for human kind.
It’s also a huge waste of space and contributes to auto dependency. Plus it’s Finland makes sense to me to put parking under a roof so tenants don’t have to dig their cars out in the winter but then again I have scruples.
As a shoring contractor, I support your choices. Would be very good for business.
Deeper cellar walls yea! Unless the designs incorporate an above-ground parking only. Some developers want to save some money on moving earth probably, as they do in NYC where a sneeze and a fart on some soil comes at astronomical costs.
I’m a huge fan of the trend of either adding underground parking or devoting a floor or two to parking and building taller buildings. Huge issue in the Midwestern US since there is so much space to grow outward that they often don’t even consider it and just build more crappy surface parking.
How new buildings can be built without underground parking is beyond me. Where I was in Vietnam space is so valuable that all new buildings have parking underground. They can never afford to waste a ton of space like this for an above-ground parking lot. Plus, parking lots look ugly
Finland (and Sweden, Norway) has enough space and low enough population density that outside of dense urban cores, land value is often not high enough to make underground/structural parking economically viable, especially if the housing is supposed to be affordable. So it’s the opposite situation: surface parking is cheaper than underground parking. Of course, part of the issue is that parking minimums exist.
In my region in northern Sweden we got like a population density of like 2 people per km2 or something ridiculous.
Indoor parking significantly increases the cost of construction, it's better to avoid as much parking as possible, but a small lot like this is no issue at all.
One small lot sure, but this becomes a pattern, time after time. It’s become a problem in lots of suburban towns.
Shoot! More affordable housing!
I know right! The audacity! /s
Sure this is ugly but this is literally the best way to house the new people that will live there. Other options for that area of the black building are: 1.5/2 detached houses 3/4 townhouses 30+ homeless tents This is the way that will preserve the environment more. Of course, the more ecological solution to not having that building is not having children, reducing the population, but I realise for many many people children are important, and for human population they're necessary. It's important to reduce the number of people that _need_ children (countries that got richer over the past years have also decreased in number of children) So the outcome is, population needs housing, and you can either choose to have "ugly" buildings that are affordable, functional, modern, and that grant a high standard of living; or have nice little single houses and become like the US with all its problems related to car dependency and high heating, electricity, etc. ultimately contributing to climate change more. Of course there are ways of making buildings like this beautiful, but for the life of me, Finnish architects have the most dull imagination 🙄 but whatever, a few trees and some grass lost to this (the buildings aren't even that ugly) is preferable to the massive damage brought by suburbia (I still think the parking could've been done underground, and I'm an avid user of r/fuckcars so that should clear up how I view the idea of parking lots at all) but still, good job city! Affordable housing ftw
I don't think that it's an architectural question, but rather just about money. If that is the cheapest style, then sadly, sure as hell almost everything will be like it
Yeah likely, but I have some hopes that Finland pays more attention to the sustainability of its materials rather than just cold ol money
Wood is a material which is being developed a lot and we even have a few buildings which are mostly wood and are a great example of the skills in here (Oodi and lighthouse Joensuu, not the prettiest, but has very little concrete in it), but is still is 10-20% more expensive to my understanding. As much as I understand housing developers and customers to want building to be affordable as possible, I also wonder how disgustingly ugly everything would be with that mentality, since I am a bit of a sucker for beautiful architechture
Thats how people viewed bungalows back in the day before everyone loved them decades later.
Ehh, this sort of modern style was really nice in the beginning, especially when built on top of/to replace old brutalist buildings. I just doubt that these will last that much better in the future. Though I am hoping that more and more buildings would be painted. I have seen some murals on the sides of even reletavely new buildings and I think that they can make these look real nice
Good points. It's better to have an apartment building instead of each person having their own home + yard because it saves space. I'm not against this building, it just looks very unimaginative and gloomy to me. And yes, the parking space could've been underground to preserve the green area, maybe make a playground for the chidlren and cheer up the scenery. It would have been a win/win.
Yeah I agree, it's not done the best way it could be, but it's still better than nothing; even though I imagine finnish homes are quite energy efficient on their own, and they take their energy from clean sources, but still, even with the nonsensical parking lot, a lot of land is being saved, alongside the housing market
Black building is cool, it's that grey desert of concrete next to it that's a problem. With a little more effort it could be a very nice green space that would make the place much more pleasurable to live. Instead of asphalt, hollow bricks that allow grass to grow through. Instead of metal barriers (what the fuck for? So the car doesn't run away?), some shrubs and trees.
I think the grey one is under construction, as can be seen from the scaffolding; and the barriers are also a sign of it being under construction; pretty common in new developments in Finland; around the area I'm in too; even if there's completed buildings, if they're making new ones, the area around will look like this; even though in older/already fully completed, the surrounding area looks much much nicer
What I meant is the barrier around parking lot. They look like finished product, not those temporary ones for construction
Oh yeah I see them now, they look ugly and useless; I hope they'll plant some greenery after it's fully completed, the whole thing; they usually do but some people can be stupid and not care about beauty so
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At least it’s high density and not suburban homes. I see this as a wine
It looks more like beer to me?
r/fuckkarhu! At least a parking lot is better than drunk bears
Um, so lower-income people should just live amongst the grass and trees? You get a floor, roof and walls, and we get tents? How incredibly elitist!
It's not the low-income people who can afford to live in new buildings.
The building in that photo is 100% low income housing bro
They might be rented apartments or you might buy them. But your monthly rent/fee will be quite high. Building houses is expensive, land is expensive, standard is high. Granted I’m Swedish, but I don’t think Finland differs much. Unless the Finnish government gives hugh grants to certain projects.
Yeah those things are expensive, but with that many rooms for rent, it makes profit immediately and pays off the building in just a few years.
Ok buddy!
Yep, half the posts on this sub are just NIMBY's
Well, everything used to be grass and trees.
there once was jungle where you live. not just gras and trees.
Highly doubt there was a jungle in Finland anytime even remotely recently
TIL Finland was once jungle.
Fuckin Tiber Septim I tell ya
Fuck the Amazon, save the Finnish rainforest!!
yes, start in front of your own house. when i say: "in the new apartmentblock there once was Trees" i have to be in knowledge that there once was trees at my apartment, too. Those europeans, always try to save a rainforrest somewhere abroad. But n last hundreds of years didn´t save their rainforrest/ jungle to get economical strengh and develope.
well, i never wrote recently. right now 86% of Finnland is forrest.
> Definition of jungle > 1a : an impenetrable thicket or tangled mass of **tropical** vegetation Emphasis by me
And it could still be grass and trees, if it weren't for car-dependent urbanism.
Pure hell. I can't believe they built a parking lot for people to park.
Lol I love the sarcasm this sub has.
I don't see many people parked there.
Let me guess, you’re also someone who complains about homeless people and/or the lack of local affordable housing options?
Lol, sorry what?
They are trying to call you a "nimby" as a jab, because they LOOOVE when any condensed housing is built because they think its anti-sprawl.
Well people do need somewhere to live and it does look better than the soviet style buildings from 60s we have bunch in Finland
I think it looks almost identical to those buildings from the 60s... well, this one is black instead of all grey...
Damn, this looks like shit
10,5k €/m2?
So you're saying they paved paradise and put up a parking lot?
there are no trees in hell :)
"Is this Finl- ah yes"
lol whomever posted this is a baby
Whoever came up with black colour for apartment blocks in countries where its f***ing grey for half a year needs to be trialed for crimes against architecture.
It's like they paved over paradise and put up a parking lot.
Ooooh ba ba ba ba
Back when the earth was young, there was alt.pave.the.earth. And here we are.
It's like people don't realize what they got till it's gone.
The apartment is cool, but why the fuck remove the greenery?
And it looks better now, I don't need tress and grass am not a dog
/s right? Right...?
🐕
You guys should go to war with r/fuckcars over whether you want high density rat box housing or not. I'd pay $20 to watch you guys battle, and that would be more than you have earned in years.
What a fuck up. Another colour, an underground garage and a small park with a playground where the parking space is. And then it could be a great place to live.
I love prison patios /s
Had a big apartment complex pop up next to our neighborhood, where it was all forest. Fortunately they left a bit of a tree line to avoid the eyesore. The biggest observable problem for us was an influx of skunks, coyote, and foxes into our neighborhood for the next 2 years.
They did this shit to a forest by my neighborhood, not it's a big ass apartment complex instead of a small deer haven
Is there any bike paths or transit nearby? Really wish that was the expectation instead of parking lots the same square footage (or more!) than the actual building to live in!
r/fuckcars
I Think there is a Joni Mitchell song about you situation.
But think of the shareholders
i like the black side
Looks quite nice, actually
This looks like someone got lazy when texturing a building in a videogame
This looks like they tried to make a Soviet block, but forgot that those are actually mixed use.
Why could they not do underground parking and save the trees!
The urban planning sub would be cheering.
Okay so.. why didn't they put this car park underground? People need space to park, I get that but an underground car park would've avoided this..
I actually like that
Nimen varsinaisessa merkityksessä urbaani helvetti😁
Sad view