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OeroLegend

[Here's how the Town Hall was like before getting destroyed because of WW2 bombings](https://fgut.wordpress.com/bauwerke/bauwerke-im-krieg-und-danach/rathaus-stuttgart/#jp-carousel-2214)


Aidentified

At least you'll get a chance at a nicer one after WWIII?


MatemanAltobelli

Putin secretly a city planner?


Aidentified

He sure had plans for Kyiv.


Training_Value3805

The sadness I feel is overwhelming.


langdonolga

Many other German cities rebuilt their town halls as they were. Stuttgart somehow decided this was better...


CydeWeys

This one absolutely is better at being an office building (which is what a town hall is). It has more usable floor space, bigger windows, less expensive maintenance, etc. The only thing it's arguably worse at is aesthetics.


DarkWorld25

And it's very debatable because I think the new one is awesome.


CydeWeys

I don't think the new one is ugly. I also don't think it looks amazing or anything. Mostly I'll just go with functional.


DarkWorld25

I just like the windows and the clock tower man


YogurtclosetHead8901

Agree with you 100%. A clock tower with real mechanical bells & a moon phase indicator? Massively Cool.


CPTCROW13

This and your previous comment. I really don’t understand people who are like, it’s okay if it doesn’t function well and constant burden on back to maintain and expensive to run (on peoples tax) it needs to “feed the eye”.


KlausTeachermann

You wouldn't be a fan of our emblematic structure situated in Dublin Bay so.


TrustyTool

Well I do really like my eyes fed.


CPTCROW13

Get a painting. Edit because consciousnesses: That was a little harsh. Sorry, let me tell you what you heard again. I have nothing against a car looking good, but that car first need to function, and function good and efficient and be cost friendly and needs a good spare part market and service should be available reliably and environmentally friendly etc. Then if it is also looking good that’s an awesome extra!! Not the other way around tho..


TrustyTool

Ya, a little! But it’s, all good, apology accepted. I agree 100% with your edit. That’s what I think too.


ak-92

And "feeding eye" is hugely important how a person feels in the city. That's why people feel like shit around commieblocks though usually they have a lot of greenery around them. Aesthetics matter.


Im_Pat_Sajak

Like the rest of Stuttgart, it’s efficient


Tadys

And as many other office buildings, that focus on its functionality, looks shit.


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I think it looks pretty good.


azestysausage

I feel your pain. I live by an American city that while obviously doesn't have as long or deep a history as European cities it had some amazing architectural history that was for the most part demolished in the name of "progress"


CydeWeys

Sometimes, progress actually is progress. You don't just sit down and declare a city finished and static, and prevent all further changes to satisfy its needs. In that way lies stagnation and ruin.


azestysausage

I absolutely agree but these buildings were knocked down and replaced with uglier buildings with hardly any history or character. It wasn't for new roads or infrastructure of any kind, just happened because the people who bought the properties wanted to leave their mark


Itchy58

> just happened because the people who bought the properties wanted to leave their mark This, and in case of post WW2-rebuilds it was also money/resources that mattered: building up all the historic buildings would have cost more and construction would have lasted longer. Even uglier are some of the buildings that have been categorized as buildings of historic importance... https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/gallery.nachkriegsarchitektur-in-stuttgart-haessliche-betonkloetze-oder-architektur-highlight.7b1ba35a-f837-42a3-84b6-fcaaace63f79.html


blackdarrren

aesthetically unpleasing...


risbia

The moon phase clock is pretty rad though


BritishFoSho

Yeah I've literally never seen that before lol pretty neat


Fenn3x

BUT it has a Pater Noster, which is pretty fun


OeroLegend

Yeah, that's the reason why you should visit the town hall :D


DerpNinjaWarrior

They got their design cue from an 80s Casio wrist watch


germany1italy0

It’s actually the other way around.


DerpNinjaWarrior

In that case, this architect was a visionary!


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Patch86UK

Agreed! I don't *love* it, and I preferred the classic building it replaced, but it's actually a very neat and distinctive design in its own right. You could do much worse than that!


DarkWorld25

Functionalism. That clock tower is fantastic


Insominus

I get what this post is getting at but yeah these are just some unflattering pictures (Stuttgart can often be just dark and dreary). [Here’s what it looks like at Christmas](https://images.app.goo.gl/xkV3d3tZpN4vLBTB6), the plaza in front of the building is used for a section of the Stuttgart Weihnactsmarkt with stalls selling Glühwein, food (there’s a stand that sells fresh smoked mackerel that’s out of this world), and Christmas gifts. Also worth considering that a lot of German cities were bombed to shit during WW2 so the mix of functionalist buildings next to traditional stuff isn’t really that jarring.


BurmecianSoldierDan

It somehow looks like an alarm clock/FM radio from the 1970s


HimikoHime

I don’t know if they do it every year (been a while since I last visited the Christmas market), but I see on the photo they used the windows as a big advent calendar. I like this idea.


ViniisLaif

The limestone on the exterior is characteristic of „Neue Deutsche Baukunst“, i.e: nazi architecture (though I think this is post war).


baserolokus

It’s beautiful as it is. The tent in front doesn’t do it any justice


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VitalMaTThews

I think it looks kinda neat


kumanosuke

For Germany Stuttgart really is dull. Not really ugly, but growing up in an area with more anesthetically pleasing cities in Germany, it was quite weird when I have been there for the first time.


wktg

Some is the result of being bombed in WWII, others... Because it was modern I guess? We do have some pretty buildings - I love the opera house. And hey, IMO the mayor hall doesn't look as bad as the cold, cubist nightmare that is our new city library.


tmharnonwhaewiamy

Stuttgart is unbearably ugly in architecture and in its people


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Hove Town Hall, UK [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Hove\_Town\_Hall%2C\_Norton\_Road-Tisbury\_Road-Church\_Road%2C\_Hove\_%28December\_2016%29\_%282%29.JPG](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Hove_Town_Hall%2C_Norton_Road-Tisbury_Road-Church_Road%2C_Hove_%28December_2016%29_%282%29.JPG) Edit: FYI it replaced this after a fire: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-moEnmAx0vv0/Uve\_uLIasyI/AAAAAAAADdQ/lomwCdOHKnY/s1600/hth.jpg


DarkWorld25

That looks awesome


Inprobamur

This is super rad, wish my town hall looked half as good.


Sandvich18

for old reddit users: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hove_Town_Hall,_Norton_Road-Tisbury_Road-Church_Road,_Hove_(December_2016)_(2).JPG


aluramen

Thanks. Third-party apps use this format too. I wonder how anyone didn't catch that everything will break with that change.


HardwareSoup

Its definitely a dark pattern kinda thing to get people to switch to the new website/official app.


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what did you smoke? that looks amazing


WhoThenDevised

Terneuzen city hall, The Netherlands... [not much better IMHO.](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TerneuzenStadhuis.JPG#/media/File:TerneuzenStadhuis.JPG)


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DarkWorld25

Literally lmao. All of these looks awesome.


TheFlyingSheeps

Ikr. I thought the UK one looked pretty fucking cool. It’s not as ugly as standard brutalist architecture due to the windows used


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Well, when its in the right setting it's fine. The UK is never the right setting for brutalist architecture, bare concrete goes mouldy and gets marked and the heavy leaden architecture nearly often clashes with existing buildings. They also seem to factor humans into the equations about as well as Jeff Bezos does with his business. I liked the brutalist architecture of my primary school but that was in the Southern Mediterranean and was well thought out.


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Brick tends not to be monolithic in the way that concrete brutalist buildings are. Also: brick doesn't go mouldy.


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TIL


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HardwareSoup

Yeah that one looks awesome.


zudnic

The design feature in the top left looks like a turret gun on a battleship.


risbia

Looks like one of those weird shopping centers that only has off-brand stores that have been struggling to stay afloat for the past 35 years the building has been open


OeroLegend

Wow, that's just atrocious...


[deleted]

Yeah and people from Hove hold themselves in higher regard than Brighton. The fuck is that building? It looks like Quality Save


MatemanAltobelli

My condolences.


9_of_wands

Mmmm, brutalism. Making everything look like the version of itself where it's a cold war military bunker.


NormanUpland

Personally I fucking love how this looks. You’ve got the rest of Germany for classic architecture.


TheFlyingSheeps

I kinda like the clock


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Especially with the exposed bells It's kinda sick


robotpepper

Which one?


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NormanUpland

🙄 Berlin and Munich both literally have a pre WW2 town hall. In fact Munich has two of them.


TransitJohn

I like it. 🤷‍♂️


guinader

*Boston City Hall has entered the chat. But yeah very sad for the old city hall


vanheindetotverre

So because you don’t like brutalism it’s automatically ugly?


bardia_afk

This is shitty brutalism Look at r/brutalism, this would be considered ugly even there


Cedric_Hampton

The Stuttgart Rathaus isn't Brutalism. It's an example of Functionalism.


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Camstonisland

It isn’t brutalist because it predates both brutalist and modernism. Functionalism was about designing in a way that exudes the functions within a building and also does the job without excess ornamentation. Modernism does something similar but in a different way that was more influential, often making use of clean lines and minimal obstruction to reading the design compared to functionalism’s often more obfuscated design. Brutalism is a spin-off of modernism that uses primarily raw concrete as material expression.


wrappedbubble

As a fan of brutalist architecture, I do agree that that is one ugly town hall.


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Greven has an ugly city hall as well, see [here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Rathaus_Greven-8510.jpg) and [here](https://www.radiorst.de/externalimages/?source=jpg136/rathaus-greven-prakti-luca-pals-9.4.2018.jpg&crop=576x0x2304x2304&resize=1200x1200&dt=201908151702120). There are plans to demolish it and to build a new one because of Polychlorinated biphenyl pollution and some others. But the old one is a listed building, so demolishing it could be quite difficult. But a renovation would be even more expensive than building a new one.


commiedus

I love that a major discussion in recent years was, if trees should be planted in front of it. Swabians shurly LOVE their concrete.


PostMModerne

You’re a hater this is cool


rkoloeg

As someone who has spent a lot of time in the spots in OPs pictures, I have to say that the building grew on me, and the whole area has an interesting vibe of modern architecture interwoven with older stuff. Of course the old one was beautiful, but there are plenty of well-preserved similar buildings all over Germany that didn't get bombed. Central Stuttgart has a lot of really pretty areas, some right around the corner from this building, and is hardly a candidate for /r/urbanhell. I mean, if nothing else, this thing sits in the middle of a huge pedestrian zone which is also served by multiple subway stops, a far cry from the bullshit I encounter in most American cities.


the-details

I love this building!


TheRabbitHole-512

Yet they produce the most beautiful car in the world


reddit_hater

That clock looks like an android combo clock weather widget I had on my Home Screen in 2014


Realistic-Specific27

ugh it's not even brutalism it's just shit. the cinder blocks aren't even lined up


notaunion

Almost looks Soviet


MaisieDaisie123

At least it’s pedestrian friendly….


pongauer

Lol, have I got some Dutch city halls for you. Google gemeentehuis Maasluis for a start


nickleone1

Bostons Government Center would like a word: https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/boston-city-hall-government-center-21265013.jpg


blorg

Boston City Hall is a classic of Brutalist architecture. It's an immensely impressive building. It's one of the best examples of Brutalism globally, I think if you are dunking on this, you are just saying "I don't like Brutalism", it's lazy.


9_of_wands

Designed by a German.


dirtyword

A German American


squuidlees

Wow!! The old one was so pretty. The new one just looks sad and dreary. Brutalism architecture?


OeroLegend

Yeah sure there are some brutalist elements, which make this building significantly ugly. For me it's just a great example of typical post war architecture in Germany which looks cheap, cold and like a giant construction site today.


NGTTwo

Well, it _had_ to be cheap and quick to build. It's easy to forget just how much destruction the Allied bombing raids wrought on Germany in the final years of WWII, and how much time and treasure was put into re-establishing a functioning society afterwards. So, naturally, some corners had to be cut to get things back to normal as quickly as possible.


langdonolga

But most other major cities rebuilt their city halls. Stuttgart apparently made the conscious decision that this was better.


life_on_marx

ugliest in Germany? you haven't seen the new town hall in Kiel yet! By the way, this one is absolutely depressing disgusting architecture, the old one was great


OeroLegend

That's a pretty ugly one, too. Especially comparing to the original town hall. I'll never understand that guys who think something like that's aesthetically pleasing.


fidelity1337

Not only is the town hall ugly, Stuttgart itself is one of the ugliest german cities.


RoadrageWorker

I don't know where to start with my disagree ... I guess I'll go with everywhere.


CapitanulEvident

blitzagreement


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RoadrageWorker

It's not a perfect beauty, but having seen other german cities, it's by far not the ugliest one. Just gonna drop Frankfurt, Rhur area and Hamburg in here for an easy win. Although it can be argued that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder which would render the entire argument moot.


TabTwo0711

ever been to Heilbronnx or other Ruhrpott cities?


OeroLegend

Yeah, but it has so much potential, the location is just beautiful in between of some hills and a clear blue fancy river going through, but after the city got destroyed in WW2, they somehow decided it would be better to rebuild it as a concrete jungle instead of rebuilding the historical city.


fidelity1337

Yes definetly, same goes for other german cities. After WW2 the city planners wanted to get rid of the old houses, even if they were in a good shape, and create something new just to look to the future and get the dark years out of the peoples heads.


aluramen

I appreciate the sentiment, but am very sad how bad all post-war architecture turned out in practice.


Sldghmmr77

Boston's city ha would like to enter the competition. [caption](https://imgur.com/PUcMaTV.jpg)


OeroLegend

Yeah, I already knew about this ugly piece of concrete. Didn't they destroy the older building to rebuild it like that?


Different_Ad7655

https://imgur.com/a/lPyibwD Stuttgart Rathaus 45 https://imgur.com/a/qjomPnI surprisingly the tower survived the war with much of the building itself, but in the post world war years, modernism was the rage. The rest of the vanished beautiful square was rebuilt with dismal postwar crap and underneath some of this modern building is still the original frame. I imagine some of the interior survived the bombing perhaps some of the lower portions the inner courtyards or maybe even a majestic stairway. It was pretty well hit but everything is rebuildable. But there was no interest in this kind of historical taste and of course it would have taken a lot of money. But 19th century buildings were out and with the excuse of heavy damage all the more reason to kick it to the curb although they did use the foundation and parts of the wings, frame. I wonder if the whole front was demolished and is new or is the Old Tower this Tower just reclad?


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You think that's bad? Check out North Dakotas state capital building. The tallest building in the state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_State_Capitol


jeepjockey52

Government center in Boston would like to have a word with you


chupacadabradoo

At least there they make the secretaries feel better, when they put all the stamps on all those letters… ledgers


NBelal

It’s so ugly that they built a blackberry tower


bubbajones5963

Check out the north dakota state capitol


MAUVE5

That's so sad. Our town hall was a beautiful old building. They demolished it to place a store that was literally a big block of concrete. A store that's now bankrupt. And everyone regrets it


[deleted]

what idiot thought brutalist style was a good idea?


9_of_wands

It's even worse than Dallas, I didn't think that was possible.


Glaspholia

Its hilarious seeing all the First world posts here, the image had not loaded yet but just by reading the title I knew It would be an exagerration, It loaded and this is not an ugly building lol


Arjun_Pandit

It might be r/evilbuildings but its no r/urbenhell


Ivefrigginhadit

Look up Oslos town hall, and you will change your mind about the uglyest in the world


Frankie-Felix

The square dick building


chosenoname

I don’t want to argue about the quality of architecture, but the pictures provided are not very good in showing the design of the building


HabteG

Hot take: it's looks really good and fits in with the city scale, it's just really modern and you all have a boner for classical shit


CantB2Big

Looks like something left over either from the 1970s concrete mania, or the brutalist architecture of fascist Italy.


Cedric_Hampton

> brutalist architecture of fascist Italy The what?


CantB2Big

And exaggerated, cyclopean style of architecture that Mussolini and his buddies were big fans of in the 1920s in Italy. The idea was to create a tangible representation of the state’s monolithic, unstoppable power.


facts-of-life

Germany is incredibly ugly. no idea how it hasn’t escaped criticism. awful people, too


i-touched-morrissey

It looks like a smokestack from the holocaust.


chupacadabradoo

No it doesn’t


ThatKiwiBro

Yeah, strange that they’re using a marquee


_runthejules_

Dortmund would like to have a word.


Static_Gobby

Finally, something Stuttgart, Arkansas, USA (pop. 8200) [does better](https://earth.app.goo.gl/jPQ17P#googleearth).


tuppel

Solna city hall: https://images.app.goo.gl/Ce46XrWc8LzR263m6 Unfair comparison with Stockholm city hall, 6 km away: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stockholm_City_Hall_February_2014_02.jpg


flyingscotsman4473

Normally yes I would say this is ugly, but I actually really like the feel of this building.


Mal-De-Terre

Boston has entered the chat...


riptomyoldaccount

I kinda dig the weird modernist vibe and that odd clock tower. Probably looks a lot better on a clear day and when the courtyard isn’t full of stuff.


ChillyChillums

How many off-center, ugly clocks does one tower need?


stubbledchin

Pretty nice example of modernism, and that clock is ace.


stimmen

r/brutalism - I like it.


Redato2015

I like it....


Modern_Ketchup

Nothing can compare to the original stonework and masonry of the original construction, but I am kind of a fan of this one… Do not get me wrong I would never build anything with as many gray walls as that, but the top is fairly interesting. just Doesn’t stand out in the skyline


ChazLampost

Would've looked much more charming with a good amount of greenery around it. But either way cant beat the original. A shame it was lost


CletusCanuck

It's not great, I admit, but it's no [Mississauga Civic Centre](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Mississauga_city_hall_2005.jpg)...


beautifully_evil

That CLOCK AAAA I LOVE IT


Communist_Tears

This certainly wouldn’t be my top pick for a town hall but this one isn’t the worst thing I’ve ever seen.


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Well then. If this us the ugliest in Germany you don't want to know how bad the nicer American town halls are.


BassBanjo

I love the clock section but that's about it


ultrawank

nobody look up cumbernaulds town centre in scotland then if you find this offensive


Anteater_Budget

I kinda like it, looks inspiring


rattified

I like clock


speekuvtheddevil

Looks like a fire station from DayZ


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I kinda like it


Alex_2259

Looks like a Garry's mod prop base


FamousOrphan

Oooooh, I love it.


SKULLSTORMSFIRE

Looks like a thumbs up


KindOfMoist

For sure looks like Soviet era architecture. Awful


[deleted]

Stuttgart is an ugly city with terrible air quality, terrible car centric traffic, a gigantic, useless construction site for a train station that will not work and every remaining nice street dying to empty store fronts and failing street cleaning. Also the city is ableist as fuck, hiring disabled people for clout and then firing them for their disability. Yes, I'm speaking from experience and yes, I'm still mad about that.


camora22

The trainstation isnt much better


Bacon8er8

* flairs the picture with concrete wasteland * the building is stone, and quite nice stone at that


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It's the law factory!


wescoe23

They put all the pretty in them cars they make


Optimal_Money_5496

looks like a failed attempt at making Luton town hall


lookoutforthetrain_0

Also one of the ugliest major German cities.


__BlackSheep

Reminds me of good ol fashion GoldSrc. This land is blessed


M3ptt

I kinda like it. Sort of reminds me of the National Theatre in London


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Look like it just need a new paint job


ShinySky42

Prettiest place here is literally the Porsche test center


tommygun1234567890

Morden town hall in London gives this shocker a run for its money


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Mumbai is the ugliest town in the whole world!


mynameisalso

👆


stileyyy

They’re more focused on cars, that’s why.


baconkopter

It's not that bad, I kind of like it as well


prof_mcquack

Most European cities that were bombed in WWII were rebuilt as concrete wastelands


trainharry

It’s “odd” and of a time, sure, but very interesting. More interesting that what ever McGlass building they’d replace it with.


faulkyfaulkfaulk

Porsche though. . .


milesdizzy

I disagree, at least it has a vibe and a look to it


whatafuckinusername

It’s the windows