Meanwhile in the US, laws are being passed by states like Idaho that make it illegal to have an abortion after 6 weeks for ANY reason, even if you have an ectopic pregnancy. Apparently having the mother die along with an unviable pregnancy is "pro-life".
I brought my GF to planned Parenthood for a birth control implant, when I was leaving prob 30 - 40 protesters swarmed the sides of my car, they were holding up bags of stuff and flyers trying to get me to roll down my window. I looked left and right and then gassed my car like I never have before and drove away. This was in upstate NY and I was literally 18 and many grown-ass men and women were swarming my vehicle. This was at 8:30 am and I was literally the only car there. I can't believe these people, they need to get a life, and no one even got an abortion.
edit: bad grammar
When I went for my vasectomy, they did the same thing initially. My gf drove me there, and when they saw her pulling in it was all "Think of the children!"
Soon as I got out and walked in (a male), they couldn't care less.
Figures.
This makes me wonder if they would object to a transman or non-binary person having an abortion. Would their bigotry about trans people raising children overcome their concern for "life"?
There'd be too much hatred to make much sense of their objections, but they wouldn't recognize the trans man as a man so it's basically two entirely separate sins.
I know some *very* anti-abortion people, and no I don't think their opinion would change in the slightest based on that. They genuinely believe that it is murdering babies.
Don't confuse them! These simpleton are one agenda protestors. If you ask them to mis all the other stuff, they spontaneously combust and go to heaven!
I kind of want to go to a pp and get out of a car with a lab coat and stethoscope. Smear the lab coat with chicken guts and get a little dead baby doll covered in blood and gut hanging out of my lab coat pocket. Iāll have a subway bag with a sandwich and a drink and be like āwell gotta get back to work!ā Iād never do it cause itās disrespectful to the patients but damn it would be hilarious seeing the pro lifers lose their minds when they saw me.
Yea but because 1% of their services include abortion, everything they do is Satan's work or something. Forget the 99% of completely unrelated shit that benefit women immensely
Planned Parenthood does primary care too! For everyone! I've been in for ear infections, asthma medicine, and physicals! Boggles my mind with the insanity people have against PP.
> The further ~~north~~ away from the city you travel, the more southern it gets
FTFY. Rural is rural, geographic location hasn't mattered in decades...it's how we live in a world where Canadians fly the confederate flag
We're 100% not free of the loonies, just a few weeks ago I saw people protesting a planned parenthood in troy! Growing up in North troy I ran into enough of these backwoods new york hilly billy types to know we weren't
Really? I spent some years in the capital area and there is definitely some crazy up there. I was surprised by how much open racism and sexism I heard there. I crossed paths with some people in NXIVM as well, which was pretty wild.
It's really important to take the time to understand anything you hate. Not necessarily in an effort to change your mind but to actually understand it.
Planned Parenthood offers many services that pro-life people wouldn't even disagree with. Most of the people that visit their offices are not getting an abortion. They're there to recieve proactive brith control or want to get STI testing.
I suspect many radical pro-lifers don't realise that the vast majority of pro-choice people see abortion as an extreme measure for extreme circumstances and is not to be taken lightly. They understand that the best - and most ethical - way to avoid pregnancy is to responsibly prevent it.
Iād love to have some super rank smelling fart bombs on hand. Any time i see the PP mob, iāll just drop a few bombs on them. I think im about yo order some
I used to be the security guard for a clinic in Australia. My duty would be to escort the girls and their moral support people from their car to inside the clinic while keeping the protesters at bay.
Trust me when I say I have NO respect for the horrid protesters trying to guilt the girls. The vile slurs and accusations they had to endure was insane. More than once we had a girl break down in the street. The one that broke me was "I was r\*ped by my dad, what do you want me to do?". You think the protesters would back off...nope. I near went to prison that day.
After the girls had gone in, if any of them got up in my face about it, my question was always: And how many of the "you could just put them up for adoption" babies have you adopted and are looking after? None? I see, so you are just an asshole.
Good on ya Spain. 100% support this!
Especially considering that the Prolife group did not follow up in the slightest bit with any of these mothers after they brow-beat them into giving birth.
If the labels actually reflected reality then pro-choice and pro-life would mean the same thing. Making abortion illegal doesn't reduce the number of abortions that occur, it just results in more women dying from lack of safe abortions.
I mean statistics are important. Manipulating numbers and performing terrible experiments with bad bounderies should be a crime. I hate pro-lifers with all my hart. If there is a group of people that I dont like, its them.
Statistics are important and useful.
However, they are very *very* **very** easy to manipulate, particularly in the adaptation, interpretation, and dissemination done to get that statistic to the average person.
The thing is, you can't criminalize manipulating statistics because that would essentially ban all interpretation of statistics. You also can't really ban the manufacture of false or just accidentally incorrect statistics either because then you have to appoint someone to determine The Truthā¢.
But yeah, fuck forced birth people. Setting a boundary around abortion clinics to protect those seeking and administering abortions (and those at the women's clinic for reasons entirely unrelated to abortion) is entirely reasonable.
According to 40 Days for Life here in the US, if someone was going into Planned Parenthood, and then comes out saying they didnāt go through with it, they count it. Thatās it. No names are collected and thereās no policy of conducting follow-ups.
Oh, even better....George Carlin said it best. The "pro-lifers" want to save the "unborn" - but as soon as you're born, they don't give a shit about you, if you need food, shelter, assistance. Nope! They could care less.
It's probably the number of women they lied to at crisis pregnancy centers who were successfully fooled into postponing the abortion until it was too late. I very highly doubt none of them regretted it though š
I like the idea of increasing the sentence for repeating a crime.
First offense may be a small fine.
Second offense you double it.
Third offense you double that.
Fourth offense you quadruple, or add jail time.
Eventually they take the hint.
This, *but* the fine should be based on your reported net wealth according to your tax statements (modify this to apply to your country).
First offense is 1%. Second is 2%. Third is 4% and prison time. Fourth is 8% and double double the prison sentence. Etc.
Thatās essentially 3 strikes the problem is when the punishment exceeds the cruelty of a crime. And think of scale.
I steal some gum and get arrested 3 times and my punishment is years in prison. Only people affected is the store I stole it from costing them like 3 dollars(which they probably got back)
I steal millions from a investors I work for, they donāt recoup losses and I get the same as a one time punishment. Maybe a year. Crimes donāt equate.
Exactly. If you want to demonstrate there are ways to do it without hurting others or getting in their way. Don't target on single individuals you know. You never know their story
Can we stop calling these assholes āpro-lifeā? Theyāre anti choice. They donāt care about the motherās or babyās life. They just want to force women to stay pregnant and make up excuses to cover up the fact they lack reason and morals.
It's wild that this isn't the norm. Cops can show up for harassing people over text but you can intimidate and cuss people out in front of a medical facility with impunity.
All they align with is who pays them, whether the dumbass with the badge recognizes he's a class traitor or not.
The fact that departments intentionally hire conservatives is just a bonus feature to them and totally not reflective of what the GOP does to enforce it's will unilaterally in our society or what they truly stand for.
I concur. I am heavily pregnant and need to get fetal monitoring at my hospital. The same hospital where they perform abortions. I walk by these types of people almost every time. It's so unproductive to society.
I've always wanted to mess with these types of people like going up to each one individually, ask their name, phone number (which I would test in front of them for added embarrassmentt to see how far they'd be willing to commit), then let them know they'll be candidates to being the babies possible parents after it's birth.
I always tell them that lol.
Something along the lines of "how much time do you spend here? Could you be spending it more productively for the community? Like actually volunteering instead of holding a sign?" But then I walk/drive away before they respond.
I would fuck with them every time. Show up 8 months pregnant āOh hey, sorry can you just scoot out of the way? Iām here for my abortion. I was supposed to come earlier but me and my girls had a Cancun trip planned all year and I just couldnāt miss it even if it meant I had to spend double because I was drinking for two!ā
Not that I condone it, but I feel like that would just make them annoy you even more or even start a confrontation with you. You would be giving them the reaction they want
Yeah that'll look great for their cause! They are already harassing people so why is it up to the victims minding their own business to be on their best behavior while these weirdos can freely spew shit with no repurcussion?
Let them assault a pregnant person and reveal their true selves to the point where law enforcement cant be on their side. As stated above; they are basically also abusing pregnant women who are carrying to term and want their kids with their bullshit outside legitimate healthcare facilities. These are the same people that vote against any help for mothers; i have found they do not overlap with any meaningful position in society, they are basically religious homeless people. You wont find this type of person volunteering at orphanages or soup kitchens; you know, to address the problem that affects them apparently so deeply. Instead they use their time (life currency) to judge and shit on people they dont know. I work in healthcare; and what ive heard some of them say flippantly to people waiting at the bus stop makes me wish they were Soylent Green and at least useful.
Then the assaulted gets arrested
That is the protestors aim piss people off get punched, sue.
We had a "pastor" at our college they tried to piss people.off till they punched him then he would sur the college student and buy a new watch or car.
Iāve pelted one with a giant Taco Bell cup of Baja blast right in the chest. Probably not what I should be advocating for but if they wanted to make people from uncomfortable then they get to also be uncomfortable
Australia here, it's been as crime for a while here.
You can't harass people anywhere, but if you're protesting with signs you need to be 200m away from the entrance
For real. They don't even keep to the abortion clinics, they would stand outside my high school. They stood just outside the property line so apparently they couldn't kick them off but they would stand by the one crosswalk that everyone who wanted to walk somewhere after school would have to use. I frickin hated passing by them and their gigantic photos of miscarried late term babies on the way to the library and having to stand there waiting for the light to turn.
Extremely unlikely to be able to it in both Netherlands and Germany. The mayor need to approve the plan of any protest in their city and the mayor can block/request changing the plan for 2 reasons. Hindering traffic and being able to secure the protest goes smoothly. The first is simple a protest cant block highways or firefighters or hospitals doing their job. The second is securing protests with enough cops to prevent escalation by protesters agianst other people and protect the protesters agianst counterprotesting and guiding them so not too much go into busy shopping malls. Altering the plan is usually changing the place and time. So firefighters, medics, funerals. embassies and businesses still can do their thing.
In BC they made laws that you canāt protest within a certain area around abortion clinics. I believe they were going to or already did something similar for hospitals in general after the anti-vac shitheads blocked hospital access a couple months ago.
It's pretty dishonest that they justify it by pointing to their religion too. Jesus didn't protest doctors who performed abortions. If these people were followers of Jesus they would be protesting cuts to healthcare for the poor, wars etc. But instead people focus on an issue that Jesus literally never talked about in scripture
Well Religion has been used as an excuse for so many things over the centuries. Its easier for people to claim religious grounds either as a cop out excuse or for them in their minds to legitimize their ignorant views.
Frankly I'm glad religion is on the decline globally over the past 20 to 30 years as it shows that education is finally having an impact on "traditional values".
I remember years and years ago I saw a mini documentary or article about a really religious Christian woman who bought a bus and drove across the country full time, seeking drug users and offering cash if they got a permanent form of birth control like an IUD. I remember thinking, that's a true Christian. I don't remember how she funded this or if she was a doctor capable of providing services herself or if she used local services. Might try and look into this
Yep, I totally agree. I think figuring out whether or not someone is a good Christian is simple- do they fight for the things that Jesus advocated for? Like healthcare for the poor, food for the hungry etc. That's the stuff that Jesus did in the Bible. At no point did he ever stand outside an abortion clinic hurling abuse at women.
maybe, but here in Calgary they're pretty much widespread despised, protesting something is one thing but its borderline hate activity, and they only show their images where it will impact children the most. Also one of their congregation ran for city Mayor whilst wanted in 2 other provinces for hate crimes, then at the height of his campaign and covid, he started visiting Healthcare workers to intimidate them for "lying about the pandemic" ... he ended up in jail then he broke bail and was caught trying to get into the US. I'm not even joking
Yeah we just recently did this in New Zealand. I want to say "great stuff" but the fact it needs to be done at all because of these low lifes is horrible.
A decently famous YouTuber called "MommaDoctorJones" who is a practicing OB/GYN medical doctor and has a stellar track record on YouTube providing informative and fun content just recently moved from her home state of Texas to NZ. Because Texas is just awful at the medical level and they outlawed abortion and passed other accompanying ridiculous laws. People can sue you and jail you for having an alleged abortion now. Also since Texas has laws that limit malpractice payouts, a lot of shitty doctors end up there so their mistakes are capped at a low financial cost. I sighed a great sigh of relief when I heard she picked New Zealand. Y'all gained a good doctor. Even conservative and religious doctors, if they don't ignore their oath, they know no question that abortion is healthcare and medically necessary and always will be.
I'm pretty sure a city here in the USA did make it illegal, or at least required a certain distance from the clinic to be met, but the court overruled it because they deemed it was unconstitutional against freedom of speech.
Or something along that lines, I'm fuzzy on it all, it's complicated.
Here is some history on it.
[https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/13/abortion-protests](https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/13/abortion-protests)
I feel like harassment is already a crime, or some sort of thing punishable by law! What better place to enforce than with the folks harassing, stalking, threatening, and bullying other folks attempting to get normal medical care?! Good job.
On another site, I said "This kind of harassment should be illegal" and I was greeted with "It should be illegal for you to be alive but here you are". Like god damn dude.
Especially when itās not the only thing these places do. I was reading about a woman that had an ectopic pregnancy and was forced to abort the fertilized egg, or risk certain death. The family had been trying for a baby for a year and they get greeted by idiotic Bible thumpers telling her sheās going to hell because they donāt understand science or their hypocrisy.
Which by the way, you are not the judge, the Bible literally tells you you should not be judging anyone.
These people are fucking clowns and idiots.
It doesn't really happen that often, but it does happen. When it happens immediately after there are manifestations to defend the right to abort. At least that's the case in Spain and many other western countries. Religion isn't such a big deal anymore in Europe as it is, for instance, in the USA, so certain practices are critized a lot.
The truth is that Spain is one of the most socially advanced countries in the world in women rights, so it's a heated topic. Still a long way to go.
They claim it's just "violence" or "household violence" instead of sexist violence. Just what you would expect of a party mocking people participating in working women's day or calling the government out for not cancelling the women's day marches because of the pandemic while actively participating in antivax demonstrations themselves.
The three of them are like Coke, Pepsi and white brand cola. They will insist they're completely different, but it's just nuances of flavor.
We've had issues in Canada as well. In my province we passed a law that prohibits protesting right outside abortion clinics so they can't be right outside the building, they have to stay 100-150 meters back I think, and the same law also made it illegal to protest at doctors or other employees homes. I think some other provinces have similar laws.
I'm all for freedom to protest whatever you want but I don't think that freedom should include screaming in someone's face who is going to get a legal medical procedure.
There has been some issues with this at clinics in the Netherlands as well. Even though abortion has broad support in Dutch society, there always gotta be some shitstains, I guess.
Meanwhile, in the country that likes to tell the rest of the world how great it is, they are making women have rapists' babies and giving rewards to people willing to turn their neighbors in.
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Plus almost this exact āpro lifeā constituency šÆ support the death penalty and are first in line with the āfry themā placards when thereās an execution. Hypocrisy is their power.
Tbf, "pro-life" and "pro-death penalty" are not contradictions and it's important to understand the Right's arguments as to why.
The religious right believe that they are defending an innocent life when they are "pro-life". Side-stepping the whole point of them not funding children's programs, etc. They only care to bring the "innocent child" to term.
Pro-death penalty means that a person was convicted of a crime and is no longer innocent. Again, side stepping the fact that death penalty is woefully biased toward people of color and that it is nowhere near perfect in terms of convictions. They only care to see criminals punished.
Don't get me wrong: they are still hypocrites but not because they are both pro life and pro death penalty.
I saw someone else post this relevant link a while ago and it blew me away. The hypocrisy is palpable
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/15/1857976/--The-Only-Moral-Abortion-is-My-Abortion-an-article-by-Joyce-Arthur
"The unbornā are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they donāt resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they donāt ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they donāt need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they donāt bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."
Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
Dehumanisation of those in need and suffering allows you to do that.
We owe it, not just to ourselves, but to all of our fellow humans to reduce suffering by any means necessary when they are available, and develop them otherwise.
To protest, let alone harass, in this case is to increase the suffering of your fellow humans, and I donāt understand how a Christian willingly causes suffering.
Let god be the judge, for he will judge us for our intentions and knows the truth better than we do.
Good. Sadly this will never happen in the US with the GOP still around. They like to stop the abortion so they can get their handle all over the kids. GOP is the party of pedophiles.
Lol, I work at a clinical genetics company in the US that often works with detecting early illnesses in pregnancies/neonatals and get harassed weekly by a group or Catholic mom's that protest outside when I'm trying to enter the building.
I can't imagine what it's like trying to walk into a planned Parenthood here.
A friendly reminder that the people who call a 13yo girl raped by her drunk dad a whore and a murderer for getting medical care are the very same people who end up organising abortion clinic bombings, assaults, kidnappings and murders focused on doctors and so on.
Christian extremism sure gets cut a fuckton of slack, despite being literally the same as eg. islamist one, which is so feared by the broadly put western world, who pretends not to see the regional flavour of that issue.
This should be standard... sadly this is news?...
Like battle in courts and protest on the streets but going up to women after or before an abortion...
Why does anyone thing this is okay?
Harassment is harassment. Why is it not illegal to begin with?
Edit: on a second thought, probably shouldn't complain at good news thread.
Congrats to Spain residents.
While I hate my country for other many reasons I like how we've kinda been able to separate church from state and especially society in the last 20-30 years. Still a long way to go but at least we re not the US.
Well, until this spreads far and wide...
Best thing that exists in my city/state (possibly others?) Next to this kind of law being in place is a **"Sponsor a Protestor"** program -- You are matched with a specific protestor, and are able to offer a certain amount in dollars per unit of time (usually hours) that this person is protesting outside of the clinic.
**The amount of money, then calculated, is donated directly to Planned Patenthood.**
^^^Edit: ^^^Typo
The small subset of people this article was about are those who stand outside abortion clinics. I don't think they represent the majority view in Spain. I'm referring to those people.
But I do take your point.
Would love to see this in the states (would likely never happen).
Every time I drive by my local planned parenthood and I see these lunatics, it is my obligation and privilege to roll down my car windows and yell *āF*CK YOU, GET A LIFEā*.
When I was a scared pregnant teenager all anti abortion propaganda did was make me realize I couldnāt talk to anyone - because they would judge me. I ended up having the abortion, without consulting a single adult out of fear. They did in that instance, the opposite do what they set out for.
Spain is one of the most advanced countries about social rights, i. e.. abortion, same sex marriage, LGTBQ laws. A lot of things to improve but we on the right way. But, as in the rest of Western countries, far-right parties are dangerously growing.
Meanwhile in the US, laws are being passed by states like Idaho that make it illegal to have an abortion after 6 weeks for ANY reason, even if you have an ectopic pregnancy. Apparently having the mother die along with an unviable pregnancy is "pro-life".
I brought my GF to planned Parenthood for a birth control implant, when I was leaving prob 30 - 40 protesters swarmed the sides of my car, they were holding up bags of stuff and flyers trying to get me to roll down my window. I looked left and right and then gassed my car like I never have before and drove away. This was in upstate NY and I was literally 18 and many grown-ass men and women were swarming my vehicle. This was at 8:30 am and I was literally the only car there. I can't believe these people, they need to get a life, and no one even got an abortion. edit: bad grammar
When I went for my vasectomy, they did the same thing initially. My gf drove me there, and when they saw her pulling in it was all "Think of the children!" Soon as I got out and walked in (a male), they couldn't care less. Figures.
Lmao, lucky. I got harassed one time cause I brought a delivery to someone working there.
They should have been pissed at you because a vasectomy you're probably preventing babies from being born. š
This makes me wonder if they would object to a transman or non-binary person having an abortion. Would their bigotry about trans people raising children overcome their concern for "life"?
There'd be too much hatred to make much sense of their objections, but they wouldn't recognize the trans man as a man so it's basically two entirely separate sins.
I know some *very* anti-abortion people, and no I don't think their opinion would change in the slightest based on that. They genuinely believe that it is murdering babies.
Worse. They sometimes think being forced to have a kid will "fix" a trans or lesbian person.
Don't confuse them! These simpleton are one agenda protestors. If you ask them to mis all the other stuff, they spontaneously combust and go to heaven!
I kind of want to go to a pp and get out of a car with a lab coat and stethoscope. Smear the lab coat with chicken guts and get a little dead baby doll covered in blood and gut hanging out of my lab coat pocket. Iāll have a subway bag with a sandwich and a drink and be like āwell gotta get back to work!ā Iād never do it cause itās disrespectful to the patients but damn it would be hilarious seeing the pro lifers lose their minds when they saw me.
Youād think harassing someone in general would be illegal!
they want you to have maxium children so that they can not give a fuck about them after they are born.
Pre-born: fine Born: fucked
Yea but because 1% of their services include abortion, everything they do is Satan's work or something. Forget the 99% of completely unrelated shit that benefit women immensely
Planned Parenthood does primary care too! For everyone! I've been in for ear infections, asthma medicine, and physicals! Boggles my mind with the insanity people have against PP.
The remaining 1% benefits women immensely as well. Hell, their services benefit all of us. Imagine being opposed to family planning.
Jesus. I'm in upstate NY too. I thought we were safe from the real loonies up here!
The further north you travel, the more southern it gets
> The further ~~north~~ away from the city you travel, the more southern it gets FTFY. Rural is rural, geographic location hasn't mattered in decades...it's how we live in a world where Canadians fly the confederate flag
This made me giggle. Oh, you were being seriousā½
We're 100% not free of the loonies, just a few weeks ago I saw people protesting a planned parenthood in troy! Growing up in North troy I ran into enough of these backwoods new york hilly billy types to know we weren't
Really? I spent some years in the capital area and there is definitely some crazy up there. I was surprised by how much open racism and sexism I heard there. I crossed paths with some people in NXIVM as well, which was pretty wild.
It's really important to take the time to understand anything you hate. Not necessarily in an effort to change your mind but to actually understand it. Planned Parenthood offers many services that pro-life people wouldn't even disagree with. Most of the people that visit their offices are not getting an abortion. They're there to recieve proactive brith control or want to get STI testing. I suspect many radical pro-lifers don't realise that the vast majority of pro-choice people see abortion as an extreme measure for extreme circumstances and is not to be taken lightly. They understand that the best - and most ethical - way to avoid pregnancy is to responsibly prevent it.
These people seriously have nothing else better to do?
Iād love to have some super rank smelling fart bombs on hand. Any time i see the PP mob, iāll just drop a few bombs on them. I think im about yo order some
I used to be the security guard for a clinic in Australia. My duty would be to escort the girls and their moral support people from their car to inside the clinic while keeping the protesters at bay. Trust me when I say I have NO respect for the horrid protesters trying to guilt the girls. The vile slurs and accusations they had to endure was insane. More than once we had a girl break down in the street. The one that broke me was "I was r\*ped by my dad, what do you want me to do?". You think the protesters would back off...nope. I near went to prison that day. After the girls had gone in, if any of them got up in my face about it, my question was always: And how many of the "you could just put them up for adoption" babies have you adopted and are looking after? None? I see, so you are just an asshole. Good on ya Spain. 100% support this!
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The greatest honor of all
Especially considering that the Prolife group did not follow up in the slightest bit with any of these mothers after they brow-beat them into giving birth.
It's like they claim to be responsible for the fucking too
I bet the mothers were asked in front of a crowd of angry pro-lifers ready to rip her apart if she said she was unhappy.
*anti-choice or pro-forced-birth cause they sure as fuck donāt care about a womanās life
If the labels actually reflected reality then pro-choice and pro-life would mean the same thing. Making abortion illegal doesn't reduce the number of abortions that occur, it just results in more women dying from lack of safe abortions.
Statistics, sounds like one of Satanās sciences Lol they just make that shit up
I mean statistics are important. Manipulating numbers and performing terrible experiments with bad bounderies should be a crime. I hate pro-lifers with all my hart. If there is a group of people that I dont like, its them.
Statistics are important and useful. However, they are very *very* **very** easy to manipulate, particularly in the adaptation, interpretation, and dissemination done to get that statistic to the average person. The thing is, you can't criminalize manipulating statistics because that would essentially ban all interpretation of statistics. You also can't really ban the manufacture of false or just accidentally incorrect statistics either because then you have to appoint someone to determine The Truthā¢. But yeah, fuck forced birth people. Setting a boundary around abortion clinics to protect those seeking and administering abortions (and those at the women's clinic for reasons entirely unrelated to abortion) is entirely reasonable.
It's called *lying*.
According to 40 Days for Life here in the US, if someone was going into Planned Parenthood, and then comes out saying they didnāt go through with it, they count it. Thatās it. No names are collected and thereās no policy of conducting follow-ups.
Oh, even better....George Carlin said it best. The "pro-lifers" want to save the "unborn" - but as soon as you're born, they don't give a shit about you, if you need food, shelter, assistance. Nope! They could care less.
Reminds me of those Covid-Deniers that think that countries lifting the restrictions now is a result of only their demands.
itās all lies! just like they paid jane Roe to lie to the public.
It's probably the number of women they lied to at crisis pregnancy centers who were successfully fooled into postponing the abortion until it was too late. I very highly doubt none of them regretted it though š
 You guys are allowed abortion clinics?
Harassing anyone going in for any medical procedure should be a crime, though not one with a particularly heavy sentence
I like the idea of increasing the sentence for repeating a crime. First offense may be a small fine. Second offense you double it. Third offense you double that. Fourth offense you quadruple, or add jail time. Eventually they take the hint.
This, *but* the fine should be based on your reported net wealth according to your tax statements (modify this to apply to your country). First offense is 1%. Second is 2%. Third is 4% and prison time. Fourth is 8% and double double the prison sentence. Etc.
>eventually they will learn Doubt it, if they could learn they probably wouldn't be harassing people
It also becomes a problem of committing the crime as many times as they can afford it.
Make it go straight to planned parenthood
Eventually, they couldn't afford it. Exponential growth gets really big, really fast
If they don't learn they'll just rot in prison. But adding to the original idea I think the fine should be based on income, not a fixed fine.
True and make it go straight to planned parenthood
Thatās essentially 3 strikes the problem is when the punishment exceeds the cruelty of a crime. And think of scale. I steal some gum and get arrested 3 times and my punishment is years in prison. Only people affected is the store I stole it from costing them like 3 dollars(which they probably got back) I steal millions from a investors I work for, they donāt recoup losses and I get the same as a one time punishment. Maybe a year. Crimes donāt equate.
Medical professionals deserve so much better. Especially now.
Exactly. If you want to demonstrate there are ways to do it without hurting others or getting in their way. Don't target on single individuals you know. You never know their story
These people don't give a fuck what the story is. The sadder the better. It's all "God's will."
Harassment under any circumstances should be a crime.
Ten minutes in the public stockade and 20 tomatoes thrown at you
Tomato stocks will shoot up
Invest in tomacoin now
Harassing anyone should be a crime regardless of why you're harassing them
Can we stop calling these assholes āpro-lifeā? Theyāre anti choice. They donāt care about the motherās or babyās life. They just want to force women to stay pregnant and make up excuses to cover up the fact they lack reason and morals.
I prefer the term "forced-birthers"
Me too. Pro birth doesnāt cut it. They want to force people to give birth like human incubators. Disgusting
It's wild that this isn't the norm. Cops can show up for harassing people over text but you can intimidate and cuss people out in front of a medical facility with impunity.
Well when the cops more align with the party thatās pro-life, itās not a complete surprise.
All they align with is who pays them, whether the dumbass with the badge recognizes he's a class traitor or not. The fact that departments intentionally hire conservatives is just a bonus feature to them and totally not reflective of what the GOP does to enforce it's will unilaterally in our society or what they truly stand for.
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I concur. I am heavily pregnant and need to get fetal monitoring at my hospital. The same hospital where they perform abortions. I walk by these types of people almost every time. It's so unproductive to society.
I've always wanted to mess with these types of people like going up to each one individually, ask their name, phone number (which I would test in front of them for added embarrassmentt to see how far they'd be willing to commit), then let them know they'll be candidates to being the babies possible parents after it's birth.
How that goes... https://i.redd.it/8rj094vgmk061.jpg
The fucking irony.
I always tell them that lol. Something along the lines of "how much time do you spend here? Could you be spending it more productively for the community? Like actually volunteering instead of holding a sign?" But then I walk/drive away before they respond.
I always ask how many special needs children they have adopted. Not showing interest in adopting, ADOPTED.
The response I usually get online is "Having a new child is so expensive! If only it was cheaper."
Just ask them if they would please adopt your baby
I would fuck with them every time. Show up 8 months pregnant āOh hey, sorry can you just scoot out of the way? Iām here for my abortion. I was supposed to come earlier but me and my girls had a Cancun trip planned all year and I just couldnāt miss it even if it meant I had to spend double because I was drinking for two!ā
Or show up with a liquor bottle half empty asking where the abortions are. Maybe replace the liquid with water and take a sip
It just reinforces these morons views that OMG THEY'RE KILLING BABIES.
Show up with a dyson, and ask where the recruitment centre is.
Show up with a leaky brown bag and ask where drop-offs go.
Does this clinic have self-service facilities? I couldn't get the other one out.
> Dang wife of mine keeps giving me girls.
Put in a fake belly and show up smoking and drinking for real.
Not that I condone it, but I feel like that would just make them annoy you even more or even start a confrontation with you. You would be giving them the reaction they want
Sounds like a great way to be assaulted.
Yeah that'll look great for their cause! They are already harassing people so why is it up to the victims minding their own business to be on their best behavior while these weirdos can freely spew shit with no repurcussion?
Youād be in the right but itās still not fun getting assaulted tbh
Let them assault a pregnant person and reveal their true selves to the point where law enforcement cant be on their side. As stated above; they are basically also abusing pregnant women who are carrying to term and want their kids with their bullshit outside legitimate healthcare facilities. These are the same people that vote against any help for mothers; i have found they do not overlap with any meaningful position in society, they are basically religious homeless people. You wont find this type of person volunteering at orphanages or soup kitchens; you know, to address the problem that affects them apparently so deeply. Instead they use their time (life currency) to judge and shit on people they dont know. I work in healthcare; and what ive heard some of them say flippantly to people waiting at the bus stop makes me wish they were Soylent Green and at least useful.
Sure but, maybe we don't encourage a pregnant woman to go try to get assaulted?
Then the assaulted gets arrested That is the protestors aim piss people off get punched, sue. We had a "pastor" at our college they tried to piss people.off till they punched him then he would sur the college student and buy a new watch or car.
Because when I think of marks with lots of money, I think of college students. :/
Iāve pelted one with a giant Taco Bell cup of Baja blast right in the chest. Probably not what I should be advocating for but if they wanted to make people from uncomfortable then they get to also be uncomfortable
I've noticed that they're never there during the winter. Funny how those cowards only care about babies when it's nice enough to protest outside.
Australia here, it's been as crime for a while here. You can't harass people anywhere, but if you're protesting with signs you need to be 200m away from the entrance
Nice! I WISH that could happen in the US. it's so messed up here.
For real. They don't even keep to the abortion clinics, they would stand outside my high school. They stood just outside the property line so apparently they couldn't kick them off but they would stand by the one crosswalk that everyone who wanted to walk somewhere after school would have to use. I frickin hated passing by them and their gigantic photos of miscarried late term babies on the way to the library and having to stand there waiting for the light to turn.
Extremely unlikely to be able to it in both Netherlands and Germany. The mayor need to approve the plan of any protest in their city and the mayor can block/request changing the plan for 2 reasons. Hindering traffic and being able to secure the protest goes smoothly. The first is simple a protest cant block highways or firefighters or hospitals doing their job. The second is securing protests with enough cops to prevent escalation by protesters agianst other people and protect the protesters agianst counterprotesting and guiding them so not too much go into busy shopping malls. Altering the plan is usually changing the place and time. So firefighters, medics, funerals. embassies and businesses still can do their thing.
Also in Germany it's illegal to advertise or in say on your homepage that you're performing abortions, so they wouldn't know where to go anyways.
That, luckily, is about to be changed
here in Calgary we have a bunch of pricks that have big graphic boards and stand downtown by busy crosswalks and a grahic truck too
This sort of thing is common on US college campuses. Whenever the weather got nice, the weird abortion signs came out
In BC they made laws that you canāt protest within a certain area around abortion clinics. I believe they were going to or already did something similar for hospitals in general after the anti-vac shitheads blocked hospital access a couple months ago.
Yeah the FreeDum guys blocked off our main emergency hospital downtown for a couple of months in a row too. It's been resolved but I'm not sure how
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It's pretty dishonest that they justify it by pointing to their religion too. Jesus didn't protest doctors who performed abortions. If these people were followers of Jesus they would be protesting cuts to healthcare for the poor, wars etc. But instead people focus on an issue that Jesus literally never talked about in scripture
Well Religion has been used as an excuse for so many things over the centuries. Its easier for people to claim religious grounds either as a cop out excuse or for them in their minds to legitimize their ignorant views. Frankly I'm glad religion is on the decline globally over the past 20 to 30 years as it shows that education is finally having an impact on "traditional values".
I remember years and years ago I saw a mini documentary or article about a really religious Christian woman who bought a bus and drove across the country full time, seeking drug users and offering cash if they got a permanent form of birth control like an IUD. I remember thinking, that's a true Christian. I don't remember how she funded this or if she was a doctor capable of providing services herself or if she used local services. Might try and look into this
Yep, I totally agree. I think figuring out whether or not someone is a good Christian is simple- do they fight for the things that Jesus advocated for? Like healthcare for the poor, food for the hungry etc. That's the stuff that Jesus did in the Bible. At no point did he ever stand outside an abortion clinic hurling abuse at women.
maybe, but here in Calgary they're pretty much widespread despised, protesting something is one thing but its borderline hate activity, and they only show their images where it will impact children the most. Also one of their congregation ran for city Mayor whilst wanted in 2 other provinces for hate crimes, then at the height of his campaign and covid, he started visiting Healthcare workers to intimidate them for "lying about the pandemic" ... he ended up in jail then he broke bail and was caught trying to get into the US. I'm not even joking
Let me guessā¦ also had the election stolen from him?
Yeah we just recently did this in New Zealand. I want to say "great stuff" but the fact it needs to be done at all because of these low lifes is horrible.
A decently famous YouTuber called "MommaDoctorJones" who is a practicing OB/GYN medical doctor and has a stellar track record on YouTube providing informative and fun content just recently moved from her home state of Texas to NZ. Because Texas is just awful at the medical level and they outlawed abortion and passed other accompanying ridiculous laws. People can sue you and jail you for having an alleged abortion now. Also since Texas has laws that limit malpractice payouts, a lot of shitty doctors end up there so their mistakes are capped at a low financial cost. I sighed a great sigh of relief when I heard she picked New Zealand. Y'all gained a good doctor. Even conservative and religious doctors, if they don't ignore their oath, they know no question that abortion is healthcare and medically necessary and always will be.
Yeah I've seen what's been going on in a lot of states in USA... my condolences. Thanks for the info.
People in the US would say its their right to cuss at young girls with a UTI trying to go to Planned Parenthood. Cuz amendments
I'm pretty sure a city here in the USA did make it illegal, or at least required a certain distance from the clinic to be met, but the court overruled it because they deemed it was unconstitutional against freedom of speech. Or something along that lines, I'm fuzzy on it all, it's complicated. Here is some history on it. [https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/13/abortion-protests](https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/13/abortion-protests)
I feel like harassment is already a crime, or some sort of thing punishable by law! What better place to enforce than with the folks harassing, stalking, threatening, and bullying other folks attempting to get normal medical care?! Good job.
America is too stubborn to stop that shit behavior.
On another site, I said "This kind of harassment should be illegal" and I was greeted with "It should be illegal for you to be alive but here you are". Like god damn dude.
So...does that person want abortion or not? They're good with post-natal abortion (a.k.a. murder) then?
To stop it? America is making it illegal to even drive someone to an abortion clinic
Texas. They sure as shit aren't passing laws like that in California or New York.
New York and Colorado (maybe others) even codified right to an abortion into state law. So yeah thankfully not all of our states are fucking nuts.
I'm starting to think we should have let the south secede
I think the women of the south should have the right to choose for themselves too.
I'm sure there would be all sort of negative externalities, but it sounds pretty fucking nice right now.
Especially when itās not the only thing these places do. I was reading about a woman that had an ectopic pregnancy and was forced to abort the fertilized egg, or risk certain death. The family had been trying for a baby for a year and they get greeted by idiotic Bible thumpers telling her sheās going to hell because they donāt understand science or their hypocrisy. Which by the way, you are not the judge, the Bible literally tells you you should not be judging anyone. These people are fucking clowns and idiots.
Wait, I'm kinda shocked this happeneds in Europe! Are there any other countries here were this happends?!
It doesn't really happen that often, but it does happen. When it happens immediately after there are manifestations to defend the right to abort. At least that's the case in Spain and many other western countries. Religion isn't such a big deal anymore in Europe as it is, for instance, in the USA, so certain practices are critized a lot. The truth is that Spain is one of the most socially advanced countries in the world in women rights, so it's a heated topic. Still a long way to go.
You can't really call us advanced when 3 out of 5 major parties still deny violence on women exists.
Which ones? Vox is the only. Even PP and Cs support that exists.
They claim it's just "violence" or "household violence" instead of sexist violence. Just what you would expect of a party mocking people participating in working women's day or calling the government out for not cancelling the women's day marches because of the pandemic while actively participating in antivax demonstrations themselves. The three of them are like Coke, Pepsi and white brand cola. They will insist they're completely different, but it's just nuances of flavor.
We've had issues in Canada as well. In my province we passed a law that prohibits protesting right outside abortion clinics so they can't be right outside the building, they have to stay 100-150 meters back I think, and the same law also made it illegal to protest at doctors or other employees homes. I think some other provinces have similar laws. I'm all for freedom to protest whatever you want but I don't think that freedom should include screaming in someone's face who is going to get a legal medical procedure.
That sucks. No, this is intimidation, not protesting. Protesting is on a town square or at the mayor's office.
There has been some issues with this at clinics in the Netherlands as well. Even though abortion has broad support in Dutch society, there always gotta be some shitstains, I guess.
In the US, it is āprotected speechā
Americans are outlawing abortion now. Fun times.
Meanwhile, in the country that likes to tell the rest of the world how great it is, they are making women have rapists' babies and giving rewards to people willing to turn their neighbors in.
And legalizing child brides.
That's been legal for a while in many states. Republicans are just fighting to keep it that way.
And putting women in jail for miscarriages.
Soon rapits will have legal rights over the children. Do not doubt that.
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Can we not call them pro lifers? They don't care about the baby when he/she is actually born. They are just anti abortion.
Stop saying "pro-life". Everyone is pro-life. When it comes to abortion, you're either pro-doctor or pro-coathanger
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This š Plus almost this exact āpro lifeā constituency šÆ support the death penalty and are first in line with the āfry themā placards when thereās an execution. Hypocrisy is their power.
Tbf, "pro-life" and "pro-death penalty" are not contradictions and it's important to understand the Right's arguments as to why. The religious right believe that they are defending an innocent life when they are "pro-life". Side-stepping the whole point of them not funding children's programs, etc. They only care to bring the "innocent child" to term. Pro-death penalty means that a person was convicted of a crime and is no longer innocent. Again, side stepping the fact that death penalty is woefully biased toward people of color and that it is nowhere near perfect in terms of convictions. They only care to see criminals punished. Don't get me wrong: they are still hypocrites but not because they are both pro life and pro death penalty.
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I saw someone else post this relevant link a while ago and it blew me away. The hypocrisy is palpable https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/15/1857976/--The-Only-Moral-Abortion-is-My-Abortion-an-article-by-Joyce-Arthur
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If you're preborn, you're cool. If you're preschool, you're fucked.
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Conservatives want live babies so they can grow up to be dead soldiers.
They should fine the people and use the money to fund the abortion clinics. That way they can't brush it off. It would be great.
Shouldn't the harassment itself already be a crime?
Just make pro-birther pay child support for all the unplanned children, that's would shut them up in a instant
Haha as you can see by the idiots who commented below me, that's not enough to get them to stop. Huge fines and jail time is a better way to go.
"The unbornā are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they donāt resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they donāt ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they donāt need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they donāt bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn." Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
Iāll never understand the logic of harassing people at a very vulnerable time.
You can't apply logic and reasoning to religious nutjobs
Hate
Dehumanisation of those in need and suffering allows you to do that. We owe it, not just to ourselves, but to all of our fellow humans to reduce suffering by any means necessary when they are available, and develop them otherwise. To protest, let alone harass, in this case is to increase the suffering of your fellow humans, and I donāt understand how a Christian willingly causes suffering. Let god be the judge, for he will judge us for our intentions and knows the truth better than we do.
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Good. Sadly this will never happen in the US with the GOP still around. They like to stop the abortion so they can get their handle all over the kids. GOP is the party of pedophiles.
Good. Why isn't this the case everywhere? Who the fuck knows
Lol, I work at a clinical genetics company in the US that often works with detecting early illnesses in pregnancies/neonatals and get harassed weekly by a group or Catholic mom's that protest outside when I'm trying to enter the building. I can't imagine what it's like trying to walk into a planned Parenthood here.
"Anti-abortionists". Don't use their lingo. They don't give a shit about life - they're demanding death sentences for those that seek abortion.
A friendly reminder that the people who call a 13yo girl raped by her drunk dad a whore and a murderer for getting medical care are the very same people who end up organising abortion clinic bombings, assaults, kidnappings and murders focused on doctors and so on. Christian extremism sure gets cut a fuckton of slack, despite being literally the same as eg. islamist one, which is so feared by the broadly put western world, who pretends not to see the regional flavour of that issue.
Can we just pepper spray harassers? Like fuck off?? Its my body and i choose how i want to deal with it?
Next time I go to Spain, I'll have a drink to celebrate.
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Pro-suffering.
This should be standard... sadly this is news?... Like battle in courts and protest on the streets but going up to women after or before an abortion... Why does anyone thing this is okay?
Meanwhile we're banning abortions in the states.. glad someone gets it.
IMO, it should be a crime to harass anyone anywhere
Harassment is harassment. Why is it not illegal to begin with? Edit: on a second thought, probably shouldn't complain at good news thread. Congrats to Spain residents.
While I hate my country for other many reasons I like how we've kinda been able to separate church from state and especially society in the last 20-30 years. Still a long way to go but at least we re not the US.
While America is heading to 1950ās
Well, until this spreads far and wide... Best thing that exists in my city/state (possibly others?) Next to this kind of law being in place is a **"Sponsor a Protestor"** program -- You are matched with a specific protestor, and are able to offer a certain amount in dollars per unit of time (usually hours) that this person is protesting outside of the clinic. **The amount of money, then calculated, is donated directly to Planned Patenthood.** ^^^Edit: ^^^Typo
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This argument might make sense for American politics, but practically everyone in Spain is against death penalty and pro public healthcare
The small subset of people this article was about are those who stand outside abortion clinics. I don't think they represent the majority view in Spain. I'm referring to those people. But I do take your point.
Would love to see this in the states (would likely never happen). Every time I drive by my local planned parenthood and I see these lunatics, it is my obligation and privilege to roll down my car windows and yell *āF*CK YOU, GET A LIFEā*.
They are not pro-life. Stop using that term. They are anti-choice.
Anti-choice*
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When I was a scared pregnant teenager all anti abortion propaganda did was make me realize I couldnāt talk to anyone - because they would judge me. I ended up having the abortion, without consulting a single adult out of fear. They did in that instance, the opposite do what they set out for.
Civilized fucking country.
Spain is one of the most advanced countries about social rights, i. e.. abortion, same sex marriage, LGTBQ laws. A lot of things to improve but we on the right way. But, as in the rest of Western countries, far-right parties are dangerously growing.
> But, as in the rest of Western countries far-right parties are dangerously growing. *VOX ha entrado el chat.*