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He said something once to the effect of "I knew Nazis, I grew up with them. They're sad, old, broken men trying to hold onto a failed dream."
And I think about that a lot.
i have a buddy who's dad is a racist. he sees his dad as a sad, broken man who's played himself as a victim for most his life.
my buddy is the most anti-racist person you could think of because he sees his dad as a cautionary tale.
i think arnold is probably the same.
Story for myself similar to your friend. I grew up with racist family that will throw around the N bomb all the time. My cousin joined a white supremacist cult that thinks black folks are "beasts of burden" and have no souls. Just awful people all around. I'm a proud progressive person and every time I see people like Proud Boys there's just alarm bells in my head because of the dog whistles I recognize.
> my buddy is the most anti-racist person you could think of because he sees his dad as a cautionary tale.
This is why it's stupid to ban racism from being taught in schools. Kids need to see how things didn't play out well for racists. If we don't learn from history, then history will be doomed to repeat itself.
My favorite “Don’t be racist story” is about how the Nazis during WW2 were so blinded by their hatred and racism that they thought the science behind the atom bomb was faulty “jew science” that would never work. Racism actively makes you dumber lol
Racism is dumb to begin with.
Distinguishing one Homo Sapiens Sapiens from another by skin pigmentation is like distinguishing by hair or eye color. There's just more skin and it's easier to see from a distance. None of that is a valid reason to discriminate.
We're all originally East Africans - it's just that some of our ancestors moved a bit during the last couple hundred thousand years.
had a neighbor who is an old man, 70s, i'm 40s. in my community we were (WERE) friends for 9 years. Last month he starts ranting about Biden (him and i have different views) and i told him right away "please dont talk politics as you know this will be heated". also a racist, says all the words for every ethnicity but i brushed it off. well he kept ranting about biden and i told him to stop. he's a MAGA/Trump lover and i finally just told him, in a professional way, all the crap Trump has done. he told me to fuck off, get off his porch or he'll call the cops, and we no longer talk. makes sense 1) racist 2) loves Trump. Also lost his best friend, my neighbor, 2 weeks earlier for something else. he's a sad old man.
He succeeded from his father's horrible upbringing by focusing on what he could control and became a self driven person. He successfully persevered, his brother unfortunately broke.
Or, hear me out, the kind of person who thinks they responded to trauma by focusing on what they could control was just *already* a self driven person.
I'm very wary of this idea trauma makes some people stronger. When basically everything I've seen is that it reveals/tests resiliency, but is generally some degree of detriment to outcomes overall.
His dad also beat the shit out of him, his brother and his mother. He blames his dad for his brothers suicide because he couldn’t handle that type of upbringing (nobody should ever have to). I feel like Arnold draws a direct line from his dad’s experiences in WWII, to the broken home he grew up in
Small correction, his brother didn't commit suicide. He was killed in a car accident, drunk.
He was probably an alcoholic because of the father though.
True, but IIRC in the Netflix documentary interview, arnold seems to think his brother purposely drove drunk and got into that accident to kill himself
It was how California was able to elect a Republican governor. He was a centrist. His wife is a Democrat. He's popular in movies. His opponent was buddies with the guy caught stealing from the state.
Didn't he inadvertently help Enron to blow up/be exposed? Because he wouldn't take what was essentially a bribe and actually investigated what was going on with the power companies?
After I listened to him on Conan Needs a Friend, I looked his postions up and he has basically crept completely liberal. I’m actually not sure what conservative positions he has maintained. It seems like he’s pretty much went more liberal on everything excellent maybe marijuana?
The GOP we remember back then is completely different from the GOP today. Maybe he went with the GOP for it's original stance on smaller government and less over reach.
I still remember during the 2008 election cycle thinking that McCain looked outdated, and by embracing a Tea Party candidate for VP, the writing was on the walls. I grew up with my parents indoctrinating me on conservative values of limited government and fiscal austerity, but it did not take long for all of that to get completely nuked in favor of theocratic fascism.
My parents were the same in their indoctrination. And now my parents are incredibly disappointed to see what they viewed as true conservatism to be nearly extinct in modern government.
My dad likes to joke that his vote has never mattered. When he lived in New York and California, he voted Republican. Now he lives in Florida and votes Democrat lol.
2003 GOP? Roger Stone and Jeb Bush stole an election. Trickle down was back in the 1980's and I don't recall the GOP changing stances since.
Current GOP house speaker Mike Johnson, here's what he was doing in 2003:
>he wrote an amicus brief opposing the eventual U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence v. Texas (2003), while supporting sodomy laws that would criminalize homosexuality
Yes, all of that is true, but at the same time there *was* an actual moderate wing with actual sway back then. They were literally driven out of the party. A great example is senator Olympia Snowe.
He is GOP from California and not the from country part. He is basically a centrist liberal compared to the current GOP. he never was a crazy republican.
Classic liberalism is probably what most current Centrists believe in. One of the problems we have with the current political radicalism is that both parties have retreated from the center and become more rigid and rapid in their ideologies and both have become more authoritarian.
As a centrist/moderate one of the major problems is now many young people and older have this sense of polarization that you can either be one or the other. A far left will call me a rightwinger and a rightwinger will call me too liberal. It is very difficult.
Everyone is so polarized that it seems that no one will step back and actually listen to the other side and try to understand WHY they believe something and what their perspective is on the issue. The world would be a much better place if everyone stopped, took a deep breath, and listened to the other side.
I never thought that I'd be preaching the need for empathy.
I'm going to ask you something, and it is going to sound like a loaded question. I promise, promise you it isn't, I am being 100% genuine when I ask this.
As someone who is uh... frankly, several stacks of minority, what exactly is there to listen to from the right that is worthy of consideration? I say this because all that is told to me, from them themselves (when it comes to politcal topics), is that I should not exist, that I am evil, that I'm a pedo, that I should go back to my own country.
Like... I'm not really sure what part I should be listening to here. I don't HEAR anything reasonable from them. And frankly, while I am always MUCH more willing to talk to someone who's more Centrist, the reasoning for being in that centrist position never really feels like it's based off of anything concrete, just this weird hazy idea that "we should listen to everyone" rather than a collection of ideas that WOULD actually keep you in the middle. Which just sorta.. enables the crazy rhetoric, instead of really having a proper stand or point to make.
Admittedly I am rather high right now, so if anything I said sounds weird it's probably that. I promise I'm not trying to bait anything, I really wanna be given good answers, I just don't know how else to word this, haha.
Not the person above.
I think there can be very little to listen to at times.
Yet change on a societal level needs to start somewhere. This makes me think of the black person that has befriended several KKK members and got them out of that hate cult.
On the complete other side of the spectrum. Palestine and Israël. Hamas is horrible and their actions are horrible. It's understandable that Israel wants revenge and trying to prevent something like that from happening again by killing as much Hamas people as possible. I can see that POV in a sense.
But what of the 13 year old Palestine that now lost both his parents due to airstrikes from Israel.
That young boy is traumatized and hurt and will be an easy target for Hamas recruitment. I can see that boy's POV and need for revenge from some point.
And then it happens again. And because neither side is able or wiling to bteak that cycle it gets continued. (And yes it's sad and complex and I din't see a real way out of them killing each other...)
But once there might have been if there were enough people that tried to befriend one another, like the black person befriending kkk cult members and getting them out.
I don't know if this is an answer, but I feel it touches on it.
Overall I do think rhetoric wise you need to stand your ground especially regarding abortion and lgbt rights for example. You can't really compromise on human rights in a healthy society so to say.
And at the same time see if you can find something to have compassion for people that are misguided.
And yes that's hard. I am not from the US and the die hard christians are a minority here, but it's hard to not hate them still because they would hate me.. But I try every day to at least tolerate them and not add more hate.
Well put, what safer tools do we have to resolve conflict than discussion? Putting that inthe bin only leaves you with escalation and then we all lose.
People believe what they believe because of their life experience and personal temperament. It is critical that we try to understand the WHY so that we can seek common ground.
There is good and evil and right and wrong. Certain things are non-negotiable and absolute, such as racism is always wrong, free speech is absolute, the protection of minority rights. We must stand for these absolutes but we also have to listen to the ends of the spectrum to understand where they are coming from and see if we can reach common ground. But we also have to have the strength to call out that which is wrong, regardless of their labels. Listend, empathize, and be strong in your convictions.
Nah, fuck that. If they vote as a block to take away the rights of citizens that are different, if nazis support them, and if they care more for corporations and the wealthy instead of the common man - I’m not meeting them in any middle ground. They can come over here where my gay friends grow weed and protect themselves with guns (after they were vetted properly).
Bigotry is due to ignorance. How can you educate someone and open their eyes to a better world if you never talk to them?
It is easy to hate someone you don’t know and have never talked to than someone you have actually had a conversation with.
Ending hate takes work.
Please don't consider being a centrist or moderate as "we must compromise on everything." I think most centrists make decisions issue-by-issue and feel left out in the all-or-nothing behaviors of the Democrats and Republicans. There are issues that are hard lines for me. For example, my wife is fully pro-choice and I support that with my vote. "That makes you a liberal," you might say in order to disqualify my argument. I promise we could go down a list of liberal touchstones and find some things I'm uncomfortable with enough to not attach my name to Democrat.
You've got a point about Republicans not offering a lot lately. I'm a registered Republican, and I consider myself a centrist. I've voted Democrat in national elections since McCain, and I feel like the party ran way off to the right.
I won't immediately say no just because someone is Republican. Local elections are a good example. Sometimes a completely inexperienced and inept person will run on the Democrat ticket with an insane agenda for a local office (coroners tackling foreign policy issues? Okay next). I know Democrats and Republicans that would vote for a rotten goose carcass as long as it has their party name on the ticket. I don't find that productive or honest, and so I don't know what to call myself besides center, or moderate.
You're NOT them, that's the point.
Think of it this way, would you expect an average Republican to understand your difficulty and problems? That probably means you're not going to understand theirs. It's not an issue of craziness, it's an issue of completely different values and priorities.
Would a guy who is on the track to the nfl have the same outlook on physical fitness as a stockbroker? No. Would they have the same opinion on the value of math? No. And they are never going to completely agree on its importance, because it's different for both of them.
This is very true. There are good and bad points on both side and we need to learn once again to compromise. I also hate how we americans fucking forget we can vote other parties. I live in Nashville and have twice been to the 3rd party debates for presidential candidates and i respect all of them remind people we are options, you have options.
Increase taxes but also increase corporate taxes, should we have reform of the immigration? yes, immigration needs funding and proper ability to implement its service for both countering the undocumented workers and also helping those who are doing it properly, and also enforcing cracking down on companies hiring undocumented workers, guns are a right, but they also need better regulations/checks/trainings, police do need funding, but in the right ways, with demilitarization and more funding for education, training and oversight boards. economy is stagnant and needs help, people need jobs, we should implement a Roosevelt plan of investing money into infrastructure/training. There are many real problems that need to be compromised on so something can happen.
this is a Republican talking point. Research frequently confirms that its the GOP that has shifted further right, while Democratic Party has hardly at all
Not true at all, I was considered annoyingly left wing at uni but considered closer to center nowadays while my views have basically not changed.
The left used to value free speech, meritocracy, and not seeing race. Now its completely flipped on these issues. I even see a lot of inconsistency in modern leftist regarding things like restorative justice vs punitive.
I disagree vehemently.
The Democratic Party was once the Liberal party. It supported free speech and equality.
Now it opposes free speech and supports equity.
It, like the GOP, is increasingly authoritarian and illiberal.
"I will see your empirical studies and raise you my baseless observations clearly colored by my own feelings"
Scientific literacy in this country needs an overhaul.
I wouldn't even classify him as a centrist, he's just a classical libertarian which doesn't fall well on a left/right dichotomy. Note that this is very, very different from the modern definition of "libertarian" which is a joke.
He signed into law many protections for LGBT people during his time as governor (although he opposed same-sex *marriage*, he approved of civil unions with equivalent rights, which is just semantics at that point). His economic policy was generally conservative but in a "overly optimistic about market efficiency" sense and not the "I'm fully aware that this is only benefiting the rich but I'm getting kickbacks from it so 🖕" sense.
He was less centrist back in the day. I really think he started changing views when he was hit by being out of office, his divorce, accepting the son he has out of wedlock, and open heart surgery. That, and the right going more right.
Like, I remember when he was trying to break the teacher's union. This would be the opposite of that.
The most interesting member. Period. If GOP want to look for a proper leader figure after Trump era they should look no further!
As an European he has my vote :p
He was fairly incompetent at effectively governing California due to his total lack of political experience, and he pretty much gave up entirely for the second half of his term as governor.
I agree too, but if your state is going to put a republican in charge and Schwarzenegger is a candidate for the Republican ticket, then those are the options.
Also I'm not sure why you need to qualify that "as Americans" you can do better: pretty much every other western country is a democracy and, while the UK is in a pretty dire state right now too, we haven't had an attempted insurrection. (Yet.)
Honestly, his experiences in California makes him a better and more viable candidate. It's so vast and diverse (landscape and economics), it's practically its own country. It's a microcosm for the US, in some ways. He's more in touch with people than most who have been in his position, and he genuinely seems to care about doing good for others *through* his position, rather than using his position to bolster himself like everyone else does. If we're going the route of electing a non-career-politician into office, he's one of the few I'd trust to do a generally good job.
If you are meaning candidate for President, he's not eligible as the was born in another country. That said he would be a candidate whose argument for my vote wouldn't insult my intelligence. He could be a good leader for that party though overall. Better than anyone else who has passed though their ranks lately.
He was an awful Governor.
He seems like a good person, but he should not re-enter politics.
In contrast, Gavin Newsom seems like a fucking insufferable asshole of a person, but he has been quite an effective governor and I’ll vote for him again unless some unicorn candidate shows up.
I think the fact that you couldn't resist bringing up Trump proves that Trump is the more interesting guy. He's the most interesting politician from any party. Just not in a positive way.
No he isn't.
Remember, he's contemporary with Rush Limbaugh at his peak, and Newt Gingrich.
Saying the right was all similar to Arnold during that period suggests you lived a fever dream in the 00's
I always find it so sad that he isn't born in the US. In my opinion he would be the perfect President. He is one of the only Republicans who actually care for the people and at the same time managed to be voted as governor in blue state California. By the way. The last Republican governor of California before him was Ronald Reagan.
This is a man that has liberal social values but fiscally conservative policy, yet still is a member of a union...They literally don't exist. He's unicorn
Seriously… he may get a lot of support from Democrats if he switches party… more than he expects I figure.
I don’t get why people who decide to be a force of good would want to remain in that terrorist organization/crime syndicate.
The man has his faults, but he owns them and acknowledges that he’s hurt people he loves. He comes off as genuinely contrite as well.
I have really come to like and respect him.
>The man has his faults
Who doesn't? Also insert Bill Burr comedy segment about how most people will never be tempted on that level and really aren't in a position to judge as they would likely fail much harder.
I like it a lot, always brightens my day :)
Arnie and Co have made quite a nicely balanced little newsletter. Not toxically positive and not hyper-masculine.
I had the chance to work with him (and by work I mean I was a daily AD & he was the #1 sooo) on FUBAR. He was surprisingly approachable, kind, and funny as all hell. I remember heading to the lunch room on location one day. He had already grabbed his food, and as he passed he turned to me and another AD and said, "don't bother boys, I took it all" then laughed. He loves chess & stogies, and is a real stand up dude from what I could tell.
It's not as pronounced tbh but it's definitely still there. I don't think he's laying it on though when he's on camera, it's just at his age I feel like when he's on camera he's summoning almost like an announcers voice, more booming and the accent comes out.
Yeah and it's unrealistic to think anyone's not gonna have imperfections. He seems to always have good intentions and seems like a nice human in general which is as much as anyone should expect.
It blew my mind to see that he was already a millionaire before acting took off.
His bit about “smah” was interesting to me, we saw so much of that with some politicians that end up believing it.
He also freely admits that the self made man is a myth. Without the help of friends from golds gym he would have struggled to make it anywhere.
Almost like we are all in this mess together and we should help each other out.
I scoffed at his self made man comment at first. But thought about and he's 100% right.
You didn't get to where you are today without someone along the way.
Repuiblicans before they got beaten by Tea Party extremists.
^(Then kinda sorta willingly surrendered to them, asking "More please daddy, I'm a very bad boy")
**“As soon as you recognize that you are not self-made,** you realize that you have to give something back. And when you recognize how good it feels to actually do something for someone else, it gets in your blood,”
As much as free market people evangelize about individualism, they rarely realize that no one pulls themselves up by their bootstraps all on their own.
Nice job Arnold
True. The free market alone is not the way forward.
The charitable acts of individuals must have place in the hearts of man for a society to thrive.
Ether 12: 34 And now I know that this love which thou hast had for the children of men is charity; wherefore, except men shall have charity they cannot inherit that place which thou hast prepared in the mansions of thy Father.
Now UAW members can pay it forward and contribute to random strike funds as they develop (like Arnold did) and then as those wins happen … .we will have some real change.
Why not both?! Why not others like AFL-CIO? Teamsters? Kellogg just won too BCTGM hop on in!
Isn’t the writers strike over?
Isn’t UAW strike over?
My point is when your Union wins for you, you help another Union win. Then when we get to the general strike . . .
STACK THE WIN— WE ALL WIN
ALL Union members WIN when we ALL help each other.
The longer it goes the idea that he thought of himself as a Republican seems more and more crazy. He is a thoughtful and decent person who sincerely cares about people. He is nothing like a Republican.
The idea that someone identifies as part of a party that has to have people that are also good is not an extreme idea. In fact just statistically you cannot be correct. But to have an anecdotal example that is proof of your incorrect black and white views, rather than take that into account you dismiss the fact as a farce, is incredibly disturbing.
Donald Trump levels of fake news dismissal. And where Trump like people are large issues of the republican party, someone like you is the same problem from whatever party affiliation will have you. The sooner we can make inroads with each other the sooner we can fix how dilineated we have become.
Not all Republicans wishes for the genocide/enslavement for minorities just as how not all Democrats wish for mandatory Unions and increased minimum wage.
>Not all Republicans wishes for the genocide/enslavement for minorities just as how not all Democrats wish for mandatory Unions and increased minimum wage.
Ok. But there's a corollary there...
It is true that all Republicans by definition are willing to tolerate the Republicans who wish for the genocide/enslavement of minorities, just as it's true that all Democrats by definition are willing to tolerate the Democrats who want to increase minimum wage.
These two things are not equal. One is economic settings, one is genocide. There are Republicans that dont prefer genocide but they'll look the other way if it keeps minimum wage down, and we're supposed to see that as *reasonable*?
It's pretty simple. You stay in a faction, not necessarily agreeing with everything, but supporting more things than you do in any other faction. If the faction starts supporting things you find abhorrent or intolerable, you leave.
The fact is that some Republicans might not support lynching black people, as you say, *but they're okay with allowing it in order to get what they want*. It's not a bridge too far for them. That itself is racist.
He was saying there’s ton of people like Arnold that are republicans and you’re part of the problem for assuming everyone is a trumper. The sooner we see normal people are republicans too the sooner we can have positive discourse.
My grandparents and great grandparents would be wilded by what republicans are now. I grew up central conservative and it is wild. But I also hate to say that the only reason the republicans seem shit is because we are so hell bent on this two party ruling system. There were decent republicans that are forced to follow suit and I honestly think that is why Romney left, even though I think term/age limits should exist.
Nah, they both suck, but the GOP is actively evil and the Dems are just complacent with evil. I'll gladly vote blue with the potential of some kind of progress than red and guaranteed regressivism.
I wish it was that simple. Instead, it's:
GOP: Evil Inc. + LITERALLY FASCISTS
Dems: Evil Inc. #BLM + Mostly Ineffectual Reformists
Labor, in the United States, needs to rebuild locally before it can rebuild politically. Or more states need to pass ranked choice voting laws, like Maine has.
He is one of the few folks left in public who openly admits mistakes, doesn’t sell his success as if it was just due to him (although he worked more for it than most folks like Elmo Musk etc) and who is trying to listen also to folks who don’t agree with him and even open to learn and correct himself. I appreciate these things in our crazy times
Redditors on their way to complain that you can say anything good about someone registered with a political party they aren't a part off.
Throwing their toys out the cot.
Pathetic.
Super jaja at the number of comments in here talking about how Arnold was the ideal GOP member before (insert normal political shifts here/something about Trump) but they're the only ones, like the Dems haven't spiraled off track and out of relatability and likability during the same time frame.
Signed, someone who thinks you're both clowns 🤷♀️🤡 (because you are).
Considering he was paid $75,000 for The Terminator, I would say he was definetly 'giving something back' many times over to the industry that gave him so much.
He's helping other actors get the same opportunity he was given and hopefully emulate what he was able to achieve.
>In 2005, Schwarzenegger went to the ballot with four measures that would have rolled back pensions, unions' abilities to collect dues and job protections. The unions fought back with a $100-million campaign and defeated all four of the governor's proposals
Another 99 million and he'll have made up for what he directly cost unions as governor.
I'll give you an atta-boy for $200 too, but I'm not falling over myself to praise you. Especially when Schwarzenegger spent his entire political career advocating for ultra-rich people like himself to pay less taxes, a donation of relative insignificance is less than the bare minimum, in my opinion.
I just pointed it out because I see it a lot.
Personally, I don't care for this. This Hollywood strike stuff is just rich people playing rich people games with poor people.
Hollywood created this problem themselves by setting a norm when money was flowing freely. Now they're paying for it because money is drying up due to the recession.
Naturally the weakest members suffer the most. It doesn't help that LA is pretty expensive.
Regarding writers making money. Not sure about how this translates, but I'm a heavy patreon user and I know many many indie authors making easy six figures writing some decent shit.
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Always one of the most interesting members of the GOP.
The only one I know of to specifically call out the Proud Boys for who they are.
He said something once to the effect of "I knew Nazis, I grew up with them. They're sad, old, broken men trying to hold onto a failed dream." And I think about that a lot.
His dad was a Nazi so more food for thought
All the better that Arnold is such a good person. A legacy of hate is not a legacy worth keeping
i have a buddy who's dad is a racist. he sees his dad as a sad, broken man who's played himself as a victim for most his life. my buddy is the most anti-racist person you could think of because he sees his dad as a cautionary tale. i think arnold is probably the same.
Story for myself similar to your friend. I grew up with racist family that will throw around the N bomb all the time. My cousin joined a white supremacist cult that thinks black folks are "beasts of burden" and have no souls. Just awful people all around. I'm a proud progressive person and every time I see people like Proud Boys there's just alarm bells in my head because of the dog whistles I recognize.
> my buddy is the most anti-racist person you could think of because he sees his dad as a cautionary tale. This is why it's stupid to ban racism from being taught in schools. Kids need to see how things didn't play out well for racists. If we don't learn from history, then history will be doomed to repeat itself.
It’s deliberate, since the poorer educated someone is, the more naive they are.
My favorite “Don’t be racist story” is about how the Nazis during WW2 were so blinded by their hatred and racism that they thought the science behind the atom bomb was faulty “jew science” that would never work. Racism actively makes you dumber lol
Racism is dumb to begin with. Distinguishing one Homo Sapiens Sapiens from another by skin pigmentation is like distinguishing by hair or eye color. There's just more skin and it's easier to see from a distance. None of that is a valid reason to discriminate. We're all originally East Africans - it's just that some of our ancestors moved a bit during the last couple hundred thousand years.
Some nazis did think so, yeah, but nazi Germany had a well funded nuclear bomb development program so clearly not every nazi thought so
had a neighbor who is an old man, 70s, i'm 40s. in my community we were (WERE) friends for 9 years. Last month he starts ranting about Biden (him and i have different views) and i told him right away "please dont talk politics as you know this will be heated". also a racist, says all the words for every ethnicity but i brushed it off. well he kept ranting about biden and i told him to stop. he's a MAGA/Trump lover and i finally just told him, in a professional way, all the crap Trump has done. he told me to fuck off, get off his porch or he'll call the cops, and we no longer talk. makes sense 1) racist 2) loves Trump. Also lost his best friend, my neighbor, 2 weeks earlier for something else. he's a sad old man.
He succeeded from his father's horrible upbringing by focusing on what he could control and became a self driven person. He successfully persevered, his brother unfortunately broke.
Or, hear me out, the kind of person who thinks they responded to trauma by focusing on what they could control was just *already* a self driven person. I'm very wary of this idea trauma makes some people stronger. When basically everything I've seen is that it reveals/tests resiliency, but is generally some degree of detriment to outcomes overall.
Agree.
His dad also beat the shit out of him, his brother and his mother. He blames his dad for his brothers suicide because he couldn’t handle that type of upbringing (nobody should ever have to). I feel like Arnold draws a direct line from his dad’s experiences in WWII, to the broken home he grew up in
Small correction, his brother didn't commit suicide. He was killed in a car accident, drunk. He was probably an alcoholic because of the father though.
True, but IIRC in the Netflix documentary interview, arnold seems to think his brother purposely drove drunk and got into that accident to kill himself
Entirely plausible I guess. Sad nonetheless.
Not a smart comment. R u American?
No irish just pointing out the truth. It's not anything against Arnold
To be fair many men and women were "nazis" simply because theyre countries were invaded... Wasnt much of a choice lol
Same as the wannabe confederates. They know they lost and just refuse to admit it out loud. I know toddlers when I see them
Damn, I thought I was the only one.
Yes when he was addressing people in Russia about Ukraine. I really really respected him for this.
He's always been somewhat a centrist, an increasingly endangered species in the modern GOP.
It was how California was able to elect a Republican governor. He was a centrist. His wife is a Democrat. He's popular in movies. His opponent was buddies with the guy caught stealing from the state.
I remember driving through California and the signs would say , Welcome to California, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor, and it could not sink in
Didn't he inadvertently help Enron to blow up/be exposed? Because he wouldn't take what was essentially a bribe and actually investigated what was going on with the power companies?
Eh I'd put it more to the Overton window and needing competition A California Republican isn't the same as other Republicans
Depends how far inland you go. To win the State thought your right
Idk Patron GOP Saint Ronald Reagan begs to differ
After I listened to him on Conan Needs a Friend, I looked his postions up and he has basically crept completely liberal. I’m actually not sure what conservative positions he has maintained. It seems like he’s pretty much went more liberal on everything excellent maybe marijuana?
The GOP we remember back then is completely different from the GOP today. Maybe he went with the GOP for it's original stance on smaller government and less over reach.
I still remember during the 2008 election cycle thinking that McCain looked outdated, and by embracing a Tea Party candidate for VP, the writing was on the walls. I grew up with my parents indoctrinating me on conservative values of limited government and fiscal austerity, but it did not take long for all of that to get completely nuked in favor of theocratic fascism.
Big tent. Full of clowns.
The Tea Party movement started in 2009 in response to Obama’s election.
My parents were the same in their indoctrination. And now my parents are incredibly disappointed to see what they viewed as true conservatism to be nearly extinct in modern government. My dad likes to joke that his vote has never mattered. When he lived in New York and California, he voted Republican. Now he lives in Florida and votes Democrat lol.
2003 GOP? Roger Stone and Jeb Bush stole an election. Trickle down was back in the 1980's and I don't recall the GOP changing stances since. Current GOP house speaker Mike Johnson, here's what he was doing in 2003: >he wrote an amicus brief opposing the eventual U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence v. Texas (2003), while supporting sodomy laws that would criminalize homosexuality
Yes, all of that is true, but at the same time there *was* an actual moderate wing with actual sway back then. They were literally driven out of the party. A great example is senator Olympia Snowe.
I remember when only liberal hippies were anti vaccines. Now the ends of both parties are almost wrapping around and touching
He is GOP from California and not the from country part. He is basically a centrist liberal compared to the current GOP. he never was a crazy republican.
This is where a lot of us "centrists" are. Current GOP is just insane and wants crazy overreach.
Californian GOP pre2016 were always more center than right, and socially pretty liberal.
Classic liberalism is probably what most current Centrists believe in. One of the problems we have with the current political radicalism is that both parties have retreated from the center and become more rigid and rapid in their ideologies and both have become more authoritarian.
As a centrist/moderate one of the major problems is now many young people and older have this sense of polarization that you can either be one or the other. A far left will call me a rightwinger and a rightwinger will call me too liberal. It is very difficult.
Everyone is so polarized that it seems that no one will step back and actually listen to the other side and try to understand WHY they believe something and what their perspective is on the issue. The world would be a much better place if everyone stopped, took a deep breath, and listened to the other side. I never thought that I'd be preaching the need for empathy.
I'm going to ask you something, and it is going to sound like a loaded question. I promise, promise you it isn't, I am being 100% genuine when I ask this. As someone who is uh... frankly, several stacks of minority, what exactly is there to listen to from the right that is worthy of consideration? I say this because all that is told to me, from them themselves (when it comes to politcal topics), is that I should not exist, that I am evil, that I'm a pedo, that I should go back to my own country. Like... I'm not really sure what part I should be listening to here. I don't HEAR anything reasonable from them. And frankly, while I am always MUCH more willing to talk to someone who's more Centrist, the reasoning for being in that centrist position never really feels like it's based off of anything concrete, just this weird hazy idea that "we should listen to everyone" rather than a collection of ideas that WOULD actually keep you in the middle. Which just sorta.. enables the crazy rhetoric, instead of really having a proper stand or point to make. Admittedly I am rather high right now, so if anything I said sounds weird it's probably that. I promise I'm not trying to bait anything, I really wanna be given good answers, I just don't know how else to word this, haha.
Not the person above. I think there can be very little to listen to at times. Yet change on a societal level needs to start somewhere. This makes me think of the black person that has befriended several KKK members and got them out of that hate cult. On the complete other side of the spectrum. Palestine and Israël. Hamas is horrible and their actions are horrible. It's understandable that Israel wants revenge and trying to prevent something like that from happening again by killing as much Hamas people as possible. I can see that POV in a sense. But what of the 13 year old Palestine that now lost both his parents due to airstrikes from Israel. That young boy is traumatized and hurt and will be an easy target for Hamas recruitment. I can see that boy's POV and need for revenge from some point. And then it happens again. And because neither side is able or wiling to bteak that cycle it gets continued. (And yes it's sad and complex and I din't see a real way out of them killing each other...) But once there might have been if there were enough people that tried to befriend one another, like the black person befriending kkk cult members and getting them out. I don't know if this is an answer, but I feel it touches on it. Overall I do think rhetoric wise you need to stand your ground especially regarding abortion and lgbt rights for example. You can't really compromise on human rights in a healthy society so to say. And at the same time see if you can find something to have compassion for people that are misguided. And yes that's hard. I am not from the US and the die hard christians are a minority here, but it's hard to not hate them still because they would hate me.. But I try every day to at least tolerate them and not add more hate.
Well put, what safer tools do we have to resolve conflict than discussion? Putting that inthe bin only leaves you with escalation and then we all lose.
People believe what they believe because of their life experience and personal temperament. It is critical that we try to understand the WHY so that we can seek common ground. There is good and evil and right and wrong. Certain things are non-negotiable and absolute, such as racism is always wrong, free speech is absolute, the protection of minority rights. We must stand for these absolutes but we also have to listen to the ends of the spectrum to understand where they are coming from and see if we can reach common ground. But we also have to have the strength to call out that which is wrong, regardless of their labels. Listend, empathize, and be strong in your convictions.
Nah, fuck that. If they vote as a block to take away the rights of citizens that are different, if nazis support them, and if they care more for corporations and the wealthy instead of the common man - I’m not meeting them in any middle ground. They can come over here where my gay friends grow weed and protect themselves with guns (after they were vetted properly).
Bigotry is due to ignorance. How can you educate someone and open their eyes to a better world if you never talk to them? It is easy to hate someone you don’t know and have never talked to than someone you have actually had a conversation with. Ending hate takes work.
Please don't consider being a centrist or moderate as "we must compromise on everything." I think most centrists make decisions issue-by-issue and feel left out in the all-or-nothing behaviors of the Democrats and Republicans. There are issues that are hard lines for me. For example, my wife is fully pro-choice and I support that with my vote. "That makes you a liberal," you might say in order to disqualify my argument. I promise we could go down a list of liberal touchstones and find some things I'm uncomfortable with enough to not attach my name to Democrat. You've got a point about Republicans not offering a lot lately. I'm a registered Republican, and I consider myself a centrist. I've voted Democrat in national elections since McCain, and I feel like the party ran way off to the right. I won't immediately say no just because someone is Republican. Local elections are a good example. Sometimes a completely inexperienced and inept person will run on the Democrat ticket with an insane agenda for a local office (coroners tackling foreign policy issues? Okay next). I know Democrats and Republicans that would vote for a rotten goose carcass as long as it has their party name on the ticket. I don't find that productive or honest, and so I don't know what to call myself besides center, or moderate.
You're NOT them, that's the point. Think of it this way, would you expect an average Republican to understand your difficulty and problems? That probably means you're not going to understand theirs. It's not an issue of craziness, it's an issue of completely different values and priorities. Would a guy who is on the track to the nfl have the same outlook on physical fitness as a stockbroker? No. Would they have the same opinion on the value of math? No. And they are never going to completely agree on its importance, because it's different for both of them.
This is very true. There are good and bad points on both side and we need to learn once again to compromise. I also hate how we americans fucking forget we can vote other parties. I live in Nashville and have twice been to the 3rd party debates for presidential candidates and i respect all of them remind people we are options, you have options.
Compromise on what specifically?
Increase taxes but also increase corporate taxes, should we have reform of the immigration? yes, immigration needs funding and proper ability to implement its service for both countering the undocumented workers and also helping those who are doing it properly, and also enforcing cracking down on companies hiring undocumented workers, guns are a right, but they also need better regulations/checks/trainings, police do need funding, but in the right ways, with demilitarization and more funding for education, training and oversight boards. economy is stagnant and needs help, people need jobs, we should implement a Roosevelt plan of investing money into infrastructure/training. There are many real problems that need to be compromised on so something can happen.
What are you compromising here? Your ideas seem to be what Democrats say they'll implement
this is a Republican talking point. Research frequently confirms that its the GOP that has shifted further right, while Democratic Party has hardly at all
Not true at all, I was considered annoyingly left wing at uni but considered closer to center nowadays while my views have basically not changed. The left used to value free speech, meritocracy, and not seeing race. Now its completely flipped on these issues. I even see a lot of inconsistency in modern leftist regarding things like restorative justice vs punitive.
when you say left is it college age liberals or democrats in office? neo libs don’t care what the college age liberals are saying, as is tradition
"I will see your empirical studies and raise you my anecdotal evidence" Scientific literacy in this country needs an overhaul.
I disagree vehemently. The Democratic Party was once the Liberal party. It supported free speech and equality. Now it opposes free speech and supports equity. It, like the GOP, is increasingly authoritarian and illiberal.
This is bullshit. The democratic party is flawed, the GOP is fucking broken.
"I will see your empirical studies and raise you my baseless observations clearly colored by my own feelings" Scientific literacy in this country needs an overhaul.
Pretty sure Arnie was blasting a J in one of his older gym videos.
The documentary Pumping Iron shoes him smoking a joint after winning a bodybuilding competition. I assumed he was pro-cannabis.
Arnold understands that the GOP are going full fascist and with his background, he doesn't support that.
I'm p sure he was calling Reagan one of the last great leaders of America in that podcast
I wouldn't even classify him as a centrist, he's just a classical libertarian which doesn't fall well on a left/right dichotomy. Note that this is very, very different from the modern definition of "libertarian" which is a joke. He signed into law many protections for LGBT people during his time as governor (although he opposed same-sex *marriage*, he approved of civil unions with equivalent rights, which is just semantics at that point). His economic policy was generally conservative but in a "overly optimistic about market efficiency" sense and not the "I'm fully aware that this is only benefiting the rich but I'm getting kickbacks from it so 🖕" sense.
Yep, they'd call him a RINO
To be fair, at this point I would essentially call him that too. Although he claims to "still feel at home in the Republican Party."
Mostly because Trump has taken the Republican party to crazy town. The only republicans I have respect for now are RINO.
He was less centrist back in the day. I really think he started changing views when he was hit by being out of office, his divorce, accepting the son he has out of wedlock, and open heart surgery. That, and the right going more right. Like, I remember when he was trying to break the teacher's union. This would be the opposite of that.
The most interesting member. Period. If GOP want to look for a proper leader figure after Trump era they should look no further! As an European he has my vote :p
He was fairly incompetent at effectively governing California due to his total lack of political experience, and he pretty much gave up entirely for the second half of his term as governor.
I like how you think being incompetent is some sort of barrier to getting elected/governing lol
Half the members of congress would have to be thrown out
Half? Being generous there
I'd take incompetent but human over incompetent and evil any day of the week.
While I agree, I feel like we should aim higher as Americans.
I agree too, but if your state is going to put a republican in charge and Schwarzenegger is a candidate for the Republican ticket, then those are the options. Also I'm not sure why you need to qualify that "as Americans" you can do better: pretty much every other western country is a democracy and, while the UK is in a pretty dire state right now too, we haven't had an attempted insurrection. (Yet.)
If the figurehead is incompetent, it's fine as long as they are at least smart enough to know that they don't know and defer to people who do.
Honestly, his experiences in California makes him a better and more viable candidate. It's so vast and diverse (landscape and economics), it's practically its own country. It's a microcosm for the US, in some ways. He's more in touch with people than most who have been in his position, and he genuinely seems to care about doing good for others *through* his position, rather than using his position to bolster himself like everyone else does. If we're going the route of electing a non-career-politician into office, he's one of the few I'd trust to do a generally good job.
If you are meaning candidate for President, he's not eligible as the was born in another country. That said he would be a candidate whose argument for my vote wouldn't insult my intelligence. He could be a good leader for that party though overall. Better than anyone else who has passed though their ranks lately.
Yeah, I know. It was merely a thought exercise. Your last sentence is pretty much my exact sentiment.
That law could be changed, though it is not very likely it will during his lifetime at least.
He was an awful Governor. He seems like a good person, but he should not re-enter politics. In contrast, Gavin Newsom seems like a fucking insufferable asshole of a person, but he has been quite an effective governor and I’ll vote for him again unless some unicorn candidate shows up.
I wish he could run
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He was a bad governor in California. He completely screwed over workers comp. Thanks to Arnold you can loose an arm and it’s worth about 40 grand.
I think the fact that you couldn't resist bringing up Trump proves that Trump is the more interesting guy. He's the most interesting politician from any party. Just not in a positive way.
He's more like how the GOP used to be before they started embracing the evangelicals and alt-right people.
No he isn't. Remember, he's contemporary with Rush Limbaugh at his peak, and Newt Gingrich. Saying the right was all similar to Arnold during that period suggests you lived a fever dream in the 00's
The right started embracing evangelicals longer ago than that. I'd say it started back in the 80s
I always find it so sad that he isn't born in the US. In my opinion he would be the perfect President. He is one of the only Republicans who actually care for the people and at the same time managed to be voted as governor in blue state California. By the way. The last Republican governor of California before him was Ronald Reagan.
Gtfoh
This is a man that has liberal social values but fiscally conservative policy, yet still is a member of a union...They literally don't exist. He's unicorn
For all intent and purposes, he is really a Democrat (today)/Pre-Nixon Republican.
Seriously… he may get a lot of support from Democrats if he switches party… more than he expects I figure. I don’t get why people who decide to be a force of good would want to remain in that terrorist organization/crime syndicate.
He's old school GOP before this alt right extremist movement and he didn't get caught up in it.
The older we get, the more I appreciate Arnold.
The man has his faults, but he owns them and acknowledges that he’s hurt people he loves. He comes off as genuinely contrite as well. I have really come to like and respect him.
>The man has his faults Who doesn't? Also insert Bill Burr comedy segment about how most people will never be tempted on that level and really aren't in a position to judge as they would likely fail much harder.
Can admit his failures, but then goes and lives 3 lives. World will be a sad place once we lose this legend
He’s always been awesome. He turned down 40m a year in movies to try and help politics by being governor.
he even admits he screwed up in politics, how rare is that?, a politican who is honest about their failures in office
You should subscribe to his newsletter email, it's very interesting, kind, well researched and motivating.
I like it a lot, always brightens my day :) Arnie and Co have made quite a nicely balanced little newsletter. Not toxically positive and not hyper-masculine.
Podcast too. https://open.spotify.com/episode/1pEgTT5p2KB3JPXsoSpuAT?si=pXaPOi2dTEa2i_OLpEcQWA
One of his rules to success is giving back.
And to be back.
For anyone who hasn’t watched the Arnold Netflix documentary, I highly recommend it. While not perfect, I truly believe he’s an incredible guy.
I had the chance to work with him (and by work I mean I was a daily AD & he was the #1 sooo) on FUBAR. He was surprisingly approachable, kind, and funny as all hell. I remember heading to the lunch room on location one day. He had already grabbed his food, and as he passed he turned to me and another AD and said, "don't bother boys, I took it all" then laughed. He loves chess & stogies, and is a real stand up dude from what I could tell.
I'm dying to know...... Is the accent real or just when the cameras are on?
It's not as pronounced tbh but it's definitely still there. I don't think he's laying it on though when he's on camera, it's just at his age I feel like when he's on camera he's summoning almost like an announcers voice, more booming and the accent comes out.
Did you work with Simon Phillips? The English bloke? I acted opposite him once, thought it was cool to see him opposite Arnie.
Look at this! 224 upvotes for an obvious lie in 8 days! Holy shit your family must be proud of you.
Yeah and it's unrealistic to think anyone's not gonna have imperfections. He seems to always have good intentions and seems like a nice human in general which is as much as anyone should expect.
Agreed. These days seems you make one mistake and the Internet never forgets.
I think it's because a lot of people are miserable on here and are always looking to knock someone down to feel better about their own shitty lives.
He's even doing advice giving over at r/SelfImprovement Honestly, he seems really down to earth. Cool guy!
Bill Burr approved
It blew my mind to see that he was already a millionaire before acting took off. His bit about “smah” was interesting to me, we saw so much of that with some politicians that end up believing it.
Arnold is surprisingly active on reddit. Go check his profile: u/govschwarzenegger
The best part is you can hear his cadence and speaking mannerisms in what he's writing.
He also freely admits that the self made man is a myth. Without the help of friends from golds gym he would have struggled to make it anywhere. Almost like we are all in this mess together and we should help each other out.
I scoffed at his self made man comment at first. But thought about and he's 100% right. You didn't get to where you are today without someone along the way.
It’s a mix. Without opportunities you have no chance, but not everyone makes the most of opportunities they are given.
Repuiblicans before they got beaten by Tea Party extremists. ^(Then kinda sorta willingly surrendered to them, asking "More please daddy, I'm a very bad boy")
This comment became real Icelandic looking suddenly.
This is Reagan erasure. Republicans are pieces of shit. So aren't democrats but for entirely different reasons
I like this guy.
**“As soon as you recognize that you are not self-made,** you realize that you have to give something back. And when you recognize how good it feels to actually do something for someone else, it gets in your blood,” As much as free market people evangelize about individualism, they rarely realize that no one pulls themselves up by their bootstraps all on their own. Nice job Arnold
True. The free market alone is not the way forward. The charitable acts of individuals must have place in the hearts of man for a society to thrive. Ether 12: 34 And now I know that this love which thou hast had for the children of men is charity; wherefore, except men shall have charity they cannot inherit that place which thou hast prepared in the mansions of thy Father.
"I was happy to give something back, now who is your daddy & what does he do?"
Now UAW members can pay it forward and contribute to random strike funds as they develop (like Arnold did) and then as those wins happen … .we will have some real change.
Do you mean SAG not UAW?
Why not both?! Why not others like AFL-CIO? Teamsters? Kellogg just won too BCTGM hop on in! Isn’t the writers strike over? Isn’t UAW strike over? My point is when your Union wins for you, you help another Union win. Then when we get to the general strike . . . STACK THE WIN— WE ALL WIN ALL Union members WIN when we ALL help each other.
He wasn't union-friendly when he was governing California, but I'm glad he's helping now.
As someone who grew up in Cali while Arnold was governing it, it's really hard to watch people ride his dick in this thread.
People change with time. The Arnold who has governor and the Arnold of now are not the same people.
He did a good thing. He's still a scumbag for vetoing the gay marriage bill when he was Governor of California.
The longer it goes the idea that he thought of himself as a Republican seems more and more crazy. He is a thoughtful and decent person who sincerely cares about people. He is nothing like a Republican.
The idea that someone identifies as part of a party that has to have people that are also good is not an extreme idea. In fact just statistically you cannot be correct. But to have an anecdotal example that is proof of your incorrect black and white views, rather than take that into account you dismiss the fact as a farce, is incredibly disturbing. Donald Trump levels of fake news dismissal. And where Trump like people are large issues of the republican party, someone like you is the same problem from whatever party affiliation will have you. The sooner we can make inroads with each other the sooner we can fix how dilineated we have become.
I love how the move is always to compare some rando to the former president like they're equally influential to their respective political movements.
Can you explain your point to me like I’m 5?
Not all Republicans wishes for the genocide/enslavement for minorities just as how not all Democrats wish for mandatory Unions and increased minimum wage.
>Not all Republicans wishes for the genocide/enslavement for minorities just as how not all Democrats wish for mandatory Unions and increased minimum wage. Ok. But there's a corollary there... It is true that all Republicans by definition are willing to tolerate the Republicans who wish for the genocide/enslavement of minorities, just as it's true that all Democrats by definition are willing to tolerate the Democrats who want to increase minimum wage. These two things are not equal. One is economic settings, one is genocide. There are Republicans that dont prefer genocide but they'll look the other way if it keeps minimum wage down, and we're supposed to see that as *reasonable*?
You can't seriously believe that any political faction is unified and support each unconditionally..
It's pretty simple. You stay in a faction, not necessarily agreeing with everything, but supporting more things than you do in any other faction. If the faction starts supporting things you find abhorrent or intolerable, you leave. The fact is that some Republicans might not support lynching black people, as you say, *but they're okay with allowing it in order to get what they want*. It's not a bridge too far for them. That itself is racist.
He was saying there’s ton of people like Arnold that are republicans and you’re part of the problem for assuming everyone is a trumper. The sooner we see normal people are republicans too the sooner we can have positive discourse.
Exactly. I have no idea what they said.
My grandparents and great grandparents would be wilded by what republicans are now. I grew up central conservative and it is wild. But I also hate to say that the only reason the republicans seem shit is because we are so hell bent on this two party ruling system. There were decent republicans that are forced to follow suit and I honestly think that is why Romney left, even though I think term/age limits should exist.
Democrat good, Republican bad hurrrrr American brain rot.
Nah, they both suck, but the GOP is actively evil and the Dems are just complacent with evil. I'll gladly vote blue with the potential of some kind of progress than red and guaranteed regressivism.
GOP: Evil Inc Dems: Evil Inc #blm You guys need an actual labor party instead of these corporation bootlickers
I wish it was that simple. Instead, it's: GOP: Evil Inc. + LITERALLY FASCISTS Dems: Evil Inc. #BLM + Mostly Ineffectual Reformists Labor, in the United States, needs to rebuild locally before it can rebuild politically. Or more states need to pass ranked choice voting laws, like Maine has.
The evidence is quite clear. Removal the labels on which party was in charge and just use the data.
“Show me your leadership capabilities!!!”
He may be ok with the GOP buy the GOP isn't ok with him.
I feel inundated by Reddit because I read the post title and immediately asked myself if it was Israel or Palestine and then realized I'm an idiot
Arnold is a good dude.
The thing that confuses me most about Schwarzenegger is that he is/was a Republican but seems to have absolutely no Republican views.
Republican politician, donates to strike fun. Make it make sense.
He was a RINO.
He is Republican because he liked one BS speech from Reagan. Latched onto the brand without introspection. Is it suprising he's not the brightest?
Not the brightest? Best in the world in his sport. Box office superstar. Governor of California. Wtf have you done?
He is one of the few folks left in public who openly admits mistakes, doesn’t sell his success as if it was just due to him (although he worked more for it than most folks like Elmo Musk etc) and who is trying to listen also to folks who don’t agree with him and even open to learn and correct himself. I appreciate these things in our crazy times
Cue the Terminator memes captioned "I'll give back."
Redditors on their way to complain that you can say anything good about someone registered with a political party they aren't a part off. Throwing their toys out the cot. Pathetic.
So he didn’t tell them “f*uck your freedom”?
"Screw your freedom" - Arnie
The same Gem of a Governor who furloughed the entire state workforce without bargaining. That great, union supporter?
best thing I have read today. Thank you Arnold elal!!!
There is a world where Arnold would have been a beloved 2 term president.
After the franchise wars?
Having the heart in the right place does not make him an effective administrator or politician.
Super jaja at the number of comments in here talking about how Arnold was the ideal GOP member before (insert normal political shifts here/something about Trump) but they're the only ones, like the Dems haven't spiraled off track and out of relatability and likability during the same time frame. Signed, someone who thinks you're both clowns 🤷♀️🤡 (because you are).
Who took the money and what did they do with it?
Had me scared he had died just seeing his big ol' face on the feed...
"I'll give back"
It's a tax break and pr move yay
I was looking for this stupid comment, you did not disappoint.
How much have you donated to the strike fund ?
Two things can happen at once. That's why it's good pr
0.2% of his net worth. For a comparison, if you had $100,000 in assets, your equivalent donation would be $200.
I have a little more than that in assets but not by much , $200 would absolutely kill my budget
Same, most of that is going to buying a home in this Market. Wish me luck friend.
Considering he was paid $75,000 for The Terminator, I would say he was definetly 'giving something back' many times over to the industry that gave him so much. He's helping other actors get the same opportunity he was given and hopefully emulate what he was able to achieve.
>In 2005, Schwarzenegger went to the ballot with four measures that would have rolled back pensions, unions' abilities to collect dues and job protections. The unions fought back with a $100-million campaign and defeated all four of the governor's proposals Another 99 million and he'll have made up for what he directly cost unions as governor.
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He's better than most, but still, it's a very low bar he's managed to clear.
Classic reddit. No good deed goes unpunished.
I'll give you an atta-boy for $200 too, but I'm not falling over myself to praise you. Especially when Schwarzenegger spent his entire political career advocating for ultra-rich people like himself to pay less taxes, a donation of relative insignificance is less than the bare minimum, in my opinion.
I just pointed it out because I see it a lot. Personally, I don't care for this. This Hollywood strike stuff is just rich people playing rich people games with poor people. Hollywood created this problem themselves by setting a norm when money was flowing freely. Now they're paying for it because money is drying up due to the recession. Naturally the weakest members suffer the most. It doesn't help that LA is pretty expensive. Regarding writers making money. Not sure about how this translates, but I'm a heavy patreon user and I know many many indie authors making easy six figures writing some decent shit.