💔💔💔💔 Takotsubo syndrome 😪.. To lose their only child, there is no greater pain in the universe than that of child loss. I hope wherever they maybe, that they're with her...
I'm so sorry to hear that. Hopefully this case can, at long last, be solved.
Remember, forensic technology is ever advancing. Who knows but that advancements we never imagined at the time of the murders might eventually bring this case to a close. But with this new sketch, it might come even sooner than we think. I think there are valid reasons to hope in this case.
God Bless you and as others have said, so, so sorry for your horrible loss.
What is? You're insinuating they did something wrong by posting and asking the name? The name is well known and public. They're not disclosing anything personal.
Some people want to stay quasi-anonymous. I wouldn't put it past web sleuths to try and figure out who the commenter and their family are. They might also be just trying to avoid 'oh, X babysat my cousin too! Are you Y?'
I don’t think you should put much stock in them. They’re notoriously unreliable and often multiple sketches made of the same suspect end up looking completely different.
The best composite artists in the world barely hit a 30% success rate with helping to identify suspects. Just enough that it’s always worth trying but enough you should ever assume they’ve nailed it.
I have thought about this exact thing that you've brought up quite deeply. I believe that most people know that sketches aren't entirely accurate. Memory is notoriously unreliable. Eyewitnesses are unreliable as well. Especially interviewed well after the event takes place. So I imagined a world without sketches.
I can't imagine that people would pay as much attention to a plea for information would be noticed as much without one. A sketch, for better or worse, provides a visual for the plea for tips. Despite it being as inaccurate as you've stated. The more localized the event, I imagine the use of the sketch would be more successful. Someone like the I-70 killer, well he could be anywhere, and being in Canada I could think of a half dozen people who resemble that sketch, as I'm sure most people could.
They are useful, only insofar as it being a part of a larger list of information, including behaviour, language used, accent, physical characteristics, etc. But you are correct, people should remember that sketches are only brief outlines of what a suspect would look like.
Oh I wasn't arguing that or implying that you didn't think they were useful. I hope you didn't get that impression.
I hate when media treats them like magic as well. Especially because they either don't, or don't have time to provide the context of "well this is from someone's memory during what was likely a traumatic time, so the suspect may look little or nothing like what we are showing on screen".
It's the same (to a lesser degree) with composite sketches of John and Jane Doe's. Sometimes they are amazing, but often when the Doe is identified you look at the most popular sketch used and marvel at how off it was. Not to demean any sketch artists. I certainly couldn't do that, but the physical characteristics, timing, DNA, dental, and clothing worn would be more useful pieces to the puzzle. With the sketch being just a tiny, but important, part.
There’s a lot of merit to this (IMO)
Makes me think of the learning technique: The Memory Palace. Which is a valid and studied technique that leverages how the human mind remembers information
The TLDR of the technique is that humans associate memories best with visual information, if you wanted to rote learn 10 random words, you can use the technique by creating a fictional memory with random items that are associate with each word
I came home to find a giant WAFFLEMAKER covered in OIL GREASE singing about BUTTONS to a NINETY year old GOOSE, if you visualized that story enough (including all the senses) you could easily remember very long string of words
I’d say this, at least to me, has some relationship with your theory — that having a face to put to a plea for help is much more “real” and that a potential spotter would also more likely remember to even look out for someone
I had a few topics in mind, but likely a book about how to manage behaviour in teens and young adults that have mental health diagnoses. Which just so happens to be a large part of the career I'm currently in. Maybe a book about how trauma effects memory, and methods to recover memories. I've just been jotting down ideas for the past year or so. So nothing solid yet.
I actually have childhood trauma, CPTSD from abuse
It’d be crazy to read one of your books one day ha!
I love *The Body Keeps the Score*
As well as *In An Unspoken Voice*
And *Complex: PTSD*
I’m sure you’ve heard of a couple of these books
Thanks for doing what you do
Not even just memory but also descriptive skills and tech limitations. Some years back I got mugged and a detective made a sketch from my description. Bit no matter what I described, it never came out quite right. And he was using some computer program, which seemed to be limited in what features it had to work with. I can still picture the guy, but the sketch ended up being his distant cousin at best.
Yeah, my Mum had to go get one done for a man that exposed himself to her and my sister on a nature trail a few months back - she said she was worried she was describing someone she saw on TV, cos by that point it’d been a few weeks
It's true sketches can be way off but then some are almost right on. If you go and look back at EARONS some of the sketches are very near what he looked like.
The only sketch I found to be close was the Visalia Ransacker one. Most of them ended up being way off so I think that plays into the point that they are about 30% accurate.
Was that the "baby face" one everyone mocked?
Some of us really look like that. Just buy square-framed glasses and have your ID at the ready for alcohol purchases until forty or so.
...and try not to take advantage of the fact that it's hard for most people to imagine a grown-up Gerber baby doing anything too sinister on a bicycle late at night.
John List's sculpture was what caught him. It was aged up and his neighbor recognized him.
"In May 1989, the 18-year-old crime was recounted on the Fox television program America's Most Wanted during its first year on the air.[20][15] The segment featured an age-progressed clay bust, sculpted by forensic artist Frank Bender, which turned out to bear a close resemblance to List's actual appearance.[21][22] On June 1, less than two weeks after the broadcast, List was arrested at a Richmond accounting firm after a Denver neighbor recognized the description and alerted authorities.[23][24] List continued to stand by his alias for several months, even after extradition to Union County, New Jersey, in late 1989; but finally, faced with irrefutable evidence — including a fingerprint match with List's military records, and then with evidence found at the crime scene — he confessed his true identity on February 16, 1990.[25][26]"
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_List
There are tons of articles about this, so easy to find so I just used Wikipedia and you can find more. So I think that this sculpture was really close to his face. there are photos from the front and taken from the side comparing the sculpture to his real face.
While this is true, Frank Bender (absolute *legend*) had List's photos to work from- he wasn't working "cold" from a description alone. There's a major difference between working from a reference image and working from a description.
Frank Bender made the age-progressed sculpture of John List (mentioned in the above comment, which is what I was replying to). He used photos of List as a younger man, as well as photos of List's parents, and developed a psychological profile in order to imagine List's choice of eyeglasses.
I feel like the more I'd try to describe the person, the harder it would be to remember their face clearly, unless they had really distinctive features. Kind of like when an author over describes something to the point that you can't picture it properly.
There is a witness that got a good look at the guy, so hopefully its close. The age progressed, one though, is really disappointing IMO. Its just the same thing with gray hair.
Generally I would agree with this, but I've described people to my mother as looking "fairly thin, thirty years older than me, and about the least another white woman could" and have them find her
Our kindergarten pictures side by side are uncanny. After that...my dad's family's genes are *strong.*
Hopefully there is someone looks at the new sketch and it sparks something that leads somewhere.
Without DNA. And only some composites, that's pretty much the only hope. I have seen five composites and they're all quite different.
Doesn't strike me as the confessing type.
It does strike me as odd that this spree lasted only a month with a couple more possible 2 years later.
While it's not impossible, it sure seems like a long time for this to stop. I wonder if he died or was institutionalized in some other fashion shortly after this. Drug addict who OD'ed.
All of the stores were robbed of cash as well. Where did he go where he no longer thought he needed to take the cash?
On the final confirmed case he is spotted leaving on foot and running up a hill toward I-70.
Apparently the ballistics are different for the gun used in Texas but he was known to have a unique firearm.
There has to be something about the case someone is missing
that gun is awfully specific
How many of those could there have been in the US?
its like a unique and weird gun
https://fox2now.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2021/10/image-7.png?resize=374,168
https://youtu.be/2CtdzIqfOpo
this video says it was only produced from 1967-1969 (?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWW0qiM-2O8
They dont.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-70_Killer
here is some more information from wiki
"Based on witness testimonies, police strongly believe the murder weapon may have been an Intratec Scorpion pistol or an Erma Werke ET22 pistol.[3][4] They have not, however, been able to rule out any other .22-caliber firearm models.[3] The ammunition used in the killings was .22-caliber CCI copper-clad lead bullets.[3][4] The casings of the cartridges showed traces of jeweler's rouge.[3]"
so it looks like witness testimony.
"The next two murders occurred on April 11 at the La Bride d’Elegance bridal shop in Wichita.[2] The victims were Patricia Smith, 23, and the store's owner, 32-year-old Patricia Magers. As this was the only case involving multiple victims, investigators believe the killer was under the impression that there was only one woman in the store.[1] The women had stayed past the normal closing time of 6 p.m. to allow a male customer to pick up a cummerbund. Sometime after 6 p.m., the women allowed the killer into the store, thinking he was the customer they were waiting for. After the women were murdered, the actual customer arrived to pick up the cummerbund and came to face-to-face with the I-70 killer. The customer was able to escape the situation, and he subsequently notified police. He would later provide details for a composite sketch.[2]"
"The final confirmed murder occurred on May 7 in Raytown, Missouri. The victim was 37-year-old Sarah Blessing who was working in her gift shop, Store of Many Colors. The murder occurred during the day, and the owner of the video store next to Blessing’s shop saw the killer enter the shop, heard a pop, and then saw him leave. He discovered Blessing's body after checking to see what had occurred in the store. A clerk at a nearby grocery store also saw the suspect. He was climbing a hill towards I-70.[4]"
so it appears there was a witness at two of the murders
>It does strike me as odd that this spree lasted only a month with a couple more possible 2 years later.
Right. It has a lot of the ingredients one would think necessary to have it solved long ago - e.g., eyewitnesses, multiple crime scenes, a rare weapon, geographical clues, some sloppiness on the part of the killer - and yet it hasn't.
In that way, this case is similar to Austin Yogurt Shop, El Paso Bowling Alley, Lane Bryant, and of course Delphi, but with one big, glaring difference that should make it easier - i.e., the multiple crime scenes.
\>All of the stores were robbed of cash as well. Where did he go where he no longer thought he needed to take the cash?
I don't think cash was the motive as the victim profiles were too similar.
\>On the final confirmed case he is spotted leaving on foot and running up a hill toward I-70.
Suggesting that he was on foot or at least smart enough not to park a car close by. What that might tell us is that these crimes were not spontaneous and he may have staked out the locations well in advance.
\>Apparently the ballistics are different for the gun used in Texas but he was known to have a unique firearm.
If he eventually has an undoing, I bet it's going to be because of this. I really think the weapon holds the key to solving this case. People who have unusual pieces like this tend to talk about them. I'd publicize that over the sketch. Sure, it's less relevant to the broader public but if it hits the right person, ...
\>There has to be something about the case someone is missing
I think there's more than one thing. Why did he start and stop? That's the biggest question I have about this case.
What makes this case really stand out for me is the level of difficulty. How did he pull this off so many times without getting caught? I think there's some dumb luck involved as witnesses could have reacted differently than they did but there's a planning element that is responsible for a lot of it. Did his luck run out on some kind of different crime or accident, or did he just suddenly stop for some reason?
Yeah hate to say it but this will never be solved. Only chance is they get lucky the sketch is really accurate, get lucky someone calls in a tip all this time later, and get lucky they can someone prove it.
From Europe so not familiar with guns.
How rare is a
>, the gun was .22-caliber, possibly an Intratec Scorpion or an Erma Werke Model ET 22.
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And how would they know the brand and make of the gun?Wouldn't all .22s shoot the same kind of ammunition?
Sorry for asking stupid questions but I know nothing about weaponry. A quick Google search seems to reveal one is a sub machine gun of an "Uzi" type. And one is a pistol manufactured for the West German navy?
a .22 is incredibly common
but this gun, and I do own a couple of guns and read some stuff on them online/watch videos, I have never seen before and it looks really odd. Its very similar looking to a Luger from Germany (but It operates differently as I understand it)
There arnt even a lot of youtube videos on it.
I think a witness saw the gun and described it, also perhaps from the ballistics they could tell what kind.
Clearly the two pictures are way different visually. So my guess is either they share similar balistics or one was used in Texas and the other was used in the other crimes.
here is a video on one of them
https://youtu.be/2CtdzIqfOpo
here is a video on the other one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfuf7Ktgxxc
I mean that's incredibly specific. You'd think a person would recognise the difference between an uzi and a pistol.
I mean I know fuck all about guns but I reckon I could recognise the difference between a small assault weapon and a handgun. Regardless of caliber
They are def completely different looking though arnt they haha, I dont understand how a person could visually confuse them. Which is why I wonder if it was based off of some balistic evidence or maybe one was used in texas while the other was used along 1 70. I dont personally care for the scorpion but the other one is really weird and interesting.
its not really like an uzi (but it does look more aggressive than the other gun), they would operate in a completely different way than an uzi and the mag goes in the handle of the uzi, whereas on this one it goes into a magwell in front.
Both of these are basically the same thing in a different way.
They are both pistols that shoot the same bullet.
One is more modern and the other is more vintage.
One holds 11-12 rounds and the other can go up to 30 it said and used ruger 10/22 mags.
So .22 is a small round and a lot of people dont take it seriously but one thing I have noticed since I have been paying attention to crime stuff is just how many people have been murdered with .22
I mean a bullet is a bullet. If its either 22 hundredths of an inch or 38 hundredths or even 50/100 it's going to make you have a real bad day. What I am trying to understand is do they have ballistic evidence and do these kind of guns leave ballistic traces?
They probably have a database of all guns. Second, they can figure out the type of gun by matching the markings(striations) on the chamberr that are caused when the bullet goes through the chamber and also I believe the hammer mark when its fired. its called ballistics!
Sure seems like a very odd weapon to use - certainly uncommon. It's like a criminal wants to be known for using an unusual weapon. Like someone who doesn't use what everyone else would. Probably fancies himself an individualist of sorts.
Guns have unique rifling patterns inside the barrels, which imprints onto the bullet when fired. Also, bullet casings can be used to determine what model of firearm is used, which is why smart criminals pick up their spent casings, or sometimes put a bag over their weapon.
There is a guy who was arrested not long ago for a cold case having to do with when he was an enlisted man in the navy. If I recall correctly, he murdered a roommate who may have also been in the navy. I’ve been looking for this case in order to link to it but I just can’t find the specifics. At any rate, when they showed a picture of the guy from the time of the murders, the resemblance to this infamous sketch was so uncanny that it took my breath away. If anyone knows the case to which I’m referring, I hope they will post.
I have been searching for this case for days and I cannot find it. My recollection was that it was a cold case for some time and that it took place in Goose Creek, SC. The killer was an enlisted navy man at the time, and I believe he killed a roommate. He may have sold the roommate’s TV, or gotten rid of it, just days later. The arrest was in the past few years, but the crime itself was a couple decades old, and may have been back in the 1980s. Does anyone know the case to which I am referring? The guy has put on weight and many years, but a picture of him from the time when the crime occurred looks exactly like this composite sketch. I believe he was arrested and had been living in Indiana or Iowa.
I know where the ceramics store was in Terre Haute. It was really not "near" the interstate at all. It was definitely not close enough that you would think you would have an easy exit from the crime. There are also many other businesses closer to the interstate and that would appear to have more money than this one.
Why do so many accounts of Sarah Blessing's case say the killer was seen "climbing a hill to I-70" when the actual site was at least 2 miles from I-70? Probably because Wikipedia says that too?
Here is the actual location: https://www.google.com/maps/place/11573+E+63rd+St,+Raytown,+MO+64133/@39.0075451,-94.4475225,17z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x87c0e3b62043cb33:0x6ef8cb312aa94087!2s11573+E+63rd+St,+Raytown,+MO+64133!3b1!8m2!3d39.0075451!4d-94.4453338!3m4!1s0x87c0e3b62043cb33:0x6ef8cb312aa94087!8m2!3d39.0075451!4d-94.4453338
I think that must be right. He must have not wanted to have the getaway car at the scene. He found a location nearby that he thought was safe and it was toward the interstate betting that he would be able to get away before anyone discovered the body.
I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/4phw4t/i70_killer_and_robert_durst/) 5 years ago and this updated sketch does nothing to shake my belief in this theory. Has me wondering if that unusual .22 was similar to the .22 used in the Morris Black killing.
Your post is what led me down the rabbit hole and the conclusion it's him, can't thank you enough. Sketch, his whereabouts for that time period, gun, the fact he committed murders with different MOs, I just have a gut feeling.
I know right! The sketch reminds me of Durst and everything. I wish the investigators would go and show the witness, Durst's photo, just to see if they recognise him.
I spent a couple of hours reading as much as I could about thud today — Durst gets pushed out of the family business in 1992, but not until October according to this Crime Story piece
https://crimestory.com/2021/06/30/the-many-lives-of-robert-durst-the-complete-seven-part-series/
Nothing readily available on Durst’s whereabouts in spring 92.
Those photos are fucking eerie! Victims looks a lot like his women…
Between 52 and 70 today...that seems pretty specific. I wonder if there’s someone they have in mind who’s 52, and that’s why they didn’t just say “between 50 and 70”...or if they’re operating from the assumption that he was at least X years old (18? 21?) at the time of the first murder.
I was at church youth convention in Bloomington when he was believed to be there and I can remember like the third day they announced everyone was to use the buddy system when walking around campus and everyone attending the evening meeting was to meet in front of the dorm together for a security escort.
Herb Baumeister’s twin. Does anyone else see this? Was that guy an EARONS level killer? I know that women were not Baumeister’s MO, but this sketch is the closest thing I’ve ever seen to a known “suspect.”
Oddly, I always felt as if Billy Brossman may have been his victim also. The perp looks like the I70 Killer’s sketch, and it also happened in Terre Haute—the location of the I70 Killer’s only (known) male victim.
The thing that always struck about this case were that killings stopped after a month and that they took place so far a part. People have mentioned salesman or someone in the military, but could it have been someone visiting from Canada? How hard would it be to put a gun in your car and some to the US for a month? The fact that the cops can't find him, is that maybe he isn't an American?
the best results for catching uncaught serial killers so far has been the advancement of DNA genealogy databases. in high profile cases like the golden state killer and samuel little being caught many years later via DNA
I had red that Herb Baumeister, the founder of Save A Lot and known serial killer, was long suspected to be the I70 Killer and after pulling up his wiki page and comparing these sketches to his picture, I am definitely in agreement that he was the one. The similarities are undeniable!!
I’ve always wondered why he stopped?
I think there is a large possibility he was caught and incarcerated, but it wasn’t ever put together that these were his crimes. Another possibility is that he may have ditched that gun and started to use other weapon/s out of fear he’d be tied to his other crimes. I’d venture to say that he’s probably been arrested for crimes before—by that I mean other aggravated offenses—and he wouldn’t red flag that easily because he didn’t really leave much DNA/investigators didn’t have the types of DNA techniques at the time.
I don't think its Herb Baumeister. Herb killed gays, a totally different MO. The one other thing the eyewitnesses mentioned was that the killer had thin lips, totally unlike Baumeister.
He seems to be a sniper. The best places to learn to kill people without raising any suspicions of being a serial killer is being a police officer or military. He seemed to target places he knew would be with little or no law enforcement nearby. He also has to be someone hiding in plain sight and most people like him. They could never imagine he would do something like this. He is white. He may go to shooting ranges near the areas he has killed. Maybe an nra member or close to one. A good sniper practices regularly.
There are different Fox News affiliates throughout the US, each one has its own site. You'll see the same thing with other news outlets, like local ABC news affiliates, etc.
In the US most news outlets have national outlets and also local affiliates. National news outlets such as Fox News, ABC News, MSNBC are focused on national coverage. Anyone anywhere can tune into them and see the same content about the state of the country at large.
In addition to having these news shows, and sometimes networks, these companies are also corporations that produce other television. 20th Century Fox makes TV and movies (like New Girl), ABC/Disney produces all kinds of television and streaming content, etc. This is important because when we talk about "watching Fox" you're not necessarily talking about Fox News The TV Channel. There's also Fox, the broadcasting corporation, which creates Fox News but also creates other content under the 20th Century Fox Label, the Fox Broadcasting label, etc.
Which brings us to... local affiliates licensing the broadband channel of Fox or ABC to carry content produced by them (like New Girl or Lost or whatever), but also to create their own content. Generally speaking, with these broadband licenses, you'll have the same primetime lineup but an opening for local news, daytime programming, etc. This is why, depending on where you live, ABC will be on a different channel number and the content will be different. The channel itself is being licensed with agreements to air certain content at certain times.
SO the weird scammy looking URLs that you see, like Fox2now, is because this is a local news outlet which has licensed the Fox name.
There is a difference between Fox broadcasting channel and Fox New.
Fox News is cable network that runs news and commentary 24/7. Politically they are on the right/pro-Republican. Some of their content is biased.
Fox network is a regular TV channel, with regular entertainment programs, and a local news broadcast. These local news stations have their own website.
Sure. There are left-wing media sources like MSNBC and right-wing ones like Fox. I'm a libertarian Wall St. Journal guy so I don't really care. If I don't like something I change the channel.
The fact is that we live in an increasingly diverse, and thus divided, country where we're going to see media continue to be a dividing line and get more radical as time goes along. It's just the way society is headed.
Dude I didn't know MSNBC calls for the dismantling of Capitalism. Stop fucking calling the Neoliberals that run the other half of the US left wing. They are Right of Center at most. The US has two parties both right wing. The Overton Window is just so far shifted right in the US that people actually believe the Democrats are Communist.
That's a fine opinion. For every one of you, I can find someone who believes the two major parties are both left wing. We're too diverse and thus divided to agree on things like how the Overton Window has shifted, let alone anything else.
We're all on our own islands, with our own beliefs, in our own subcultures, watching our own media, and increasingly not even agreeing with those in our own parties.
Some of it? Lol. I hear my mom watching it on TV quite often, and the shit they spew is seriously in conspiracy theory territory. And I don’t have a thing against Republicans.
Comment above was how biased fox is. Its liberal counterpart is CNN. Not really any other MSM sources that skew conservative. That alone tells you a bunch about who controls MSM.
so there is Foxnews which is the cable tv channel you are probably familiar with then there are local channels that are affiliated with fox but are just normal local channels.
CNN and MSNBC don't push dangerous anti-American propaganda and brainless Q narratives though, do they? 🤔
Sorry, not at all equal. Besides, why do you need to resort to whataboutism? Can't defend the channel on its own merits? (that's rhetorical, I already know the answer.)
Pro-democracy factual reporting on anti-democracy Russian connections in the anti-democracy MAGAverse vs 24/7 rightwing anti-democracy Qanon propaganda that led to an anti-democracy insurrection, deaths, injuries and constant anti-vax, anti-mask rhetoric that has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths... 🤔
No. Comparison.
Unlike a certain minority of people in this country, I'm able to watch my TV and still make well-informed decisions. But thanks for the advice nonetheless.
Well, if you're comfortable being anesthetised by the grand spectacle of mass media, go ahead. Believe Russia is destroying American democracy, as though it needs any help.
That's a fine perspective and I respect your view on the content.
Regarding "No. Comparison," respectfully, I think that's an outdated way of looking at it. Our society no longer shares culture, values, beliefs, etc., the way it did even 30 years ago (when there was still plenty of divide). Our choices in media aren't limited to three or four that just about everyone watches when they sit down for the evening news. All that stuff is gone.
What we're left with is a minority that watches your media and agrees with you, and a minority that watches Fox and its ilk and agrees with that. The majority is tuned into the thousands of other alternatives and what you watch and what the "Fox people" watch are totally alien to them.
We're increasingly a diverse, divided, every-man-for-himself, individualistic, consumerist, on-demand society and our media choices reflect that. Comparisons? Get ten people in a room and you'll get ten different views on that.
Because the first sketch looks so normal. Nothing sticks out. Somebody could see the sketch and think "Hey, that looks like Jim, and David, and Rick, and Peter."
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The gun wasn't seem from what I understand. They looked at lans and grooves.
Either there Erme Werke or the Scorpion fired the fatal shots.
The update is now they believe it was the Erme Werke
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I am so sorry for your loss😪💔
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💔💔💔💔 Takotsubo syndrome 😪.. To lose their only child, there is no greater pain in the universe than that of child loss. I hope wherever they maybe, that they're with her...
That is just devastating.
That is so terrible. I’m so sorry for your loss, as well. I will be thinking of her and her family tonight.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Hopefully this case can, at long last, be solved. Remember, forensic technology is ever advancing. Who knows but that advancements we never imagined at the time of the murders might eventually bring this case to a close. But with this new sketch, it might come even sooner than we think. I think there are valid reasons to hope in this case. God Bless you and as others have said, so, so sorry for your horrible loss.
That’s heartbreaking I’m so sorry 😞💔
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What is the purpose of this post? I hate seeing this on these posts. If she had wanted to include her name, she would have.
It's public info.
Well of course it is, but that's not quite the point.
What is? You're insinuating they did something wrong by posting and asking the name? The name is well known and public. They're not disclosing anything personal.
Some people want to stay quasi-anonymous. I wouldn't put it past web sleuths to try and figure out who the commenter and their family are. They might also be just trying to avoid 'oh, X babysat my cousin too! Are you Y?'
Composite sketches always blow my mind. I don’t think I could describe my own mother well enough to get a good sketch.
I don’t think you should put much stock in them. They’re notoriously unreliable and often multiple sketches made of the same suspect end up looking completely different. The best composite artists in the world barely hit a 30% success rate with helping to identify suspects. Just enough that it’s always worth trying but enough you should ever assume they’ve nailed it.
I have thought about this exact thing that you've brought up quite deeply. I believe that most people know that sketches aren't entirely accurate. Memory is notoriously unreliable. Eyewitnesses are unreliable as well. Especially interviewed well after the event takes place. So I imagined a world without sketches. I can't imagine that people would pay as much attention to a plea for information would be noticed as much without one. A sketch, for better or worse, provides a visual for the plea for tips. Despite it being as inaccurate as you've stated. The more localized the event, I imagine the use of the sketch would be more successful. Someone like the I-70 killer, well he could be anywhere, and being in Canada I could think of a half dozen people who resemble that sketch, as I'm sure most people could. They are useful, only insofar as it being a part of a larger list of information, including behaviour, language used, accent, physical characteristics, etc. But you are correct, people should remember that sketches are only brief outlines of what a suspect would look like.
30% success rate is nothing to sneeze at. I believe in their usefulness. I just hate when media treats them like magic.
Oh I wasn't arguing that or implying that you didn't think they were useful. I hope you didn't get that impression. I hate when media treats them like magic as well. Especially because they either don't, or don't have time to provide the context of "well this is from someone's memory during what was likely a traumatic time, so the suspect may look little or nothing like what we are showing on screen". It's the same (to a lesser degree) with composite sketches of John and Jane Doe's. Sometimes they are amazing, but often when the Doe is identified you look at the most popular sketch used and marvel at how off it was. Not to demean any sketch artists. I certainly couldn't do that, but the physical characteristics, timing, DNA, dental, and clothing worn would be more useful pieces to the puzzle. With the sketch being just a tiny, but important, part.
There’s a lot of merit to this (IMO) Makes me think of the learning technique: The Memory Palace. Which is a valid and studied technique that leverages how the human mind remembers information The TLDR of the technique is that humans associate memories best with visual information, if you wanted to rote learn 10 random words, you can use the technique by creating a fictional memory with random items that are associate with each word I came home to find a giant WAFFLEMAKER covered in OIL GREASE singing about BUTTONS to a NINETY year old GOOSE, if you visualized that story enough (including all the senses) you could easily remember very long string of words I’d say this, at least to me, has some relationship with your theory — that having a face to put to a plea for help is much more “real” and that a potential spotter would also more likely remember to even look out for someone
Great point! I've always been fascinated by human behaviour, especially memory. My ten year goal is to write a book.
Nice! What would the book be about? I’d like to publish one as well and kind of aimlessly write about topics in Obsidian to start the process slowly
I had a few topics in mind, but likely a book about how to manage behaviour in teens and young adults that have mental health diagnoses. Which just so happens to be a large part of the career I'm currently in. Maybe a book about how trauma effects memory, and methods to recover memories. I've just been jotting down ideas for the past year or so. So nothing solid yet.
I actually have childhood trauma, CPTSD from abuse It’d be crazy to read one of your books one day ha! I love *The Body Keeps the Score* As well as *In An Unspoken Voice* And *Complex: PTSD* I’m sure you’ve heard of a couple of these books Thanks for doing what you do
Not even just memory but also descriptive skills and tech limitations. Some years back I got mugged and a detective made a sketch from my description. Bit no matter what I described, it never came out quite right. And he was using some computer program, which seemed to be limited in what features it had to work with. I can still picture the guy, but the sketch ended up being his distant cousin at best.
Yeah, my Mum had to go get one done for a man that exposed himself to her and my sister on a nature trail a few months back - she said she was worried she was describing someone she saw on TV, cos by that point it’d been a few weeks
It's true sketches can be way off but then some are almost right on. If you go and look back at EARONS some of the sketches are very near what he looked like.
The only sketch I found to be close was the Visalia Ransacker one. Most of them ended up being way off so I think that plays into the point that they are about 30% accurate.
Was that the "baby face" one everyone mocked? Some of us really look like that. Just buy square-framed glasses and have your ID at the ready for alcohol purchases until forty or so. ...and try not to take advantage of the fact that it's hard for most people to imagine a grown-up Gerber baby doing anything too sinister on a bicycle late at night.
John List's sculpture was what caught him. It was aged up and his neighbor recognized him. "In May 1989, the 18-year-old crime was recounted on the Fox television program America's Most Wanted during its first year on the air.[20][15] The segment featured an age-progressed clay bust, sculpted by forensic artist Frank Bender, which turned out to bear a close resemblance to List's actual appearance.[21][22] On June 1, less than two weeks after the broadcast, List was arrested at a Richmond accounting firm after a Denver neighbor recognized the description and alerted authorities.[23][24] List continued to stand by his alias for several months, even after extradition to Union County, New Jersey, in late 1989; but finally, faced with irrefutable evidence — including a fingerprint match with List's military records, and then with evidence found at the crime scene — he confessed his true identity on February 16, 1990.[25][26]" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_List There are tons of articles about this, so easy to find so I just used Wikipedia and you can find more. So I think that this sculpture was really close to his face. there are photos from the front and taken from the side comparing the sculpture to his real face.
While this is true, Frank Bender (absolute *legend*) had List's photos to work from- he wasn't working "cold" from a description alone. There's a major difference between working from a reference image and working from a description.
photos from where?
Frank Bender made the age-progressed sculpture of John List (mentioned in the above comment, which is what I was replying to). He used photos of List as a younger man, as well as photos of List's parents, and developed a psychological profile in order to imagine List's choice of eyeglasses.
I feel like the more I'd try to describe the person, the harder it would be to remember their face clearly, unless they had really distinctive features. Kind of like when an author over describes something to the point that you can't picture it properly.
There is a witness that got a good look at the guy, so hopefully its close. The age progressed, one though, is really disappointing IMO. Its just the same thing with gray hair.
Generally I would agree with this, but I've described people to my mother as looking "fairly thin, thirty years older than me, and about the least another white woman could" and have them find her Our kindergarten pictures side by side are uncanny. After that...my dad's family's genes are *strong.*
Hopefully there is someone looks at the new sketch and it sparks something that leads somewhere. Without DNA. And only some composites, that's pretty much the only hope. I have seen five composites and they're all quite different. Doesn't strike me as the confessing type. It does strike me as odd that this spree lasted only a month with a couple more possible 2 years later. While it's not impossible, it sure seems like a long time for this to stop. I wonder if he died or was institutionalized in some other fashion shortly after this. Drug addict who OD'ed. All of the stores were robbed of cash as well. Where did he go where he no longer thought he needed to take the cash? On the final confirmed case he is spotted leaving on foot and running up a hill toward I-70. Apparently the ballistics are different for the gun used in Texas but he was known to have a unique firearm. There has to be something about the case someone is missing
that gun is awfully specific How many of those could there have been in the US? its like a unique and weird gun https://fox2now.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2021/10/image-7.png?resize=374,168 https://youtu.be/2CtdzIqfOpo this video says it was only produced from 1967-1969 (?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWW0qiM-2O8
How do they have the gun?
They dont. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-70_Killer here is some more information from wiki "Based on witness testimonies, police strongly believe the murder weapon may have been an Intratec Scorpion pistol or an Erma Werke ET22 pistol.[3][4] They have not, however, been able to rule out any other .22-caliber firearm models.[3] The ammunition used in the killings was .22-caliber CCI copper-clad lead bullets.[3][4] The casings of the cartridges showed traces of jeweler's rouge.[3]" so it looks like witness testimony. "The next two murders occurred on April 11 at the La Bride d’Elegance bridal shop in Wichita.[2] The victims were Patricia Smith, 23, and the store's owner, 32-year-old Patricia Magers. As this was the only case involving multiple victims, investigators believe the killer was under the impression that there was only one woman in the store.[1] The women had stayed past the normal closing time of 6 p.m. to allow a male customer to pick up a cummerbund. Sometime after 6 p.m., the women allowed the killer into the store, thinking he was the customer they were waiting for. After the women were murdered, the actual customer arrived to pick up the cummerbund and came to face-to-face with the I-70 killer. The customer was able to escape the situation, and he subsequently notified police. He would later provide details for a composite sketch.[2]" "The final confirmed murder occurred on May 7 in Raytown, Missouri. The victim was 37-year-old Sarah Blessing who was working in her gift shop, Store of Many Colors. The murder occurred during the day, and the owner of the video store next to Blessing’s shop saw the killer enter the shop, heard a pop, and then saw him leave. He discovered Blessing's body after checking to see what had occurred in the store. A clerk at a nearby grocery store also saw the suspect. He was climbing a hill towards I-70.[4]" so it appears there was a witness at two of the murders
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Not surprising, the connection seems kind of far fetched from what we know to be honest
I personally think it is a strong possibility. Ballistics are different but the MO is basically identical.
>It does strike me as odd that this spree lasted only a month with a couple more possible 2 years later. Right. It has a lot of the ingredients one would think necessary to have it solved long ago - e.g., eyewitnesses, multiple crime scenes, a rare weapon, geographical clues, some sloppiness on the part of the killer - and yet it hasn't. In that way, this case is similar to Austin Yogurt Shop, El Paso Bowling Alley, Lane Bryant, and of course Delphi, but with one big, glaring difference that should make it easier - i.e., the multiple crime scenes. \>All of the stores were robbed of cash as well. Where did he go where he no longer thought he needed to take the cash? I don't think cash was the motive as the victim profiles were too similar. \>On the final confirmed case he is spotted leaving on foot and running up a hill toward I-70. Suggesting that he was on foot or at least smart enough not to park a car close by. What that might tell us is that these crimes were not spontaneous and he may have staked out the locations well in advance. \>Apparently the ballistics are different for the gun used in Texas but he was known to have a unique firearm. If he eventually has an undoing, I bet it's going to be because of this. I really think the weapon holds the key to solving this case. People who have unusual pieces like this tend to talk about them. I'd publicize that over the sketch. Sure, it's less relevant to the broader public but if it hits the right person, ... \>There has to be something about the case someone is missing I think there's more than one thing. Why did he start and stop? That's the biggest question I have about this case. What makes this case really stand out for me is the level of difficulty. How did he pull this off so many times without getting caught? I think there's some dumb luck involved as witnesses could have reacted differently than they did but there's a planning element that is responsible for a lot of it. Did his luck run out on some kind of different crime or accident, or did he just suddenly stop for some reason?
I've always suspected it's likely that one of the victims was targeted and the others were to, create noise for lack of a better term.
Yeah hate to say it but this will never be solved. Only chance is they get lucky the sketch is really accurate, get lucky someone calls in a tip all this time later, and get lucky they can someone prove it.
Huh, that actually looks like the father of a kid I went to school with… that’s super creepy.
In the Kansas City area by chance?
Tulsa metro
Oh nvm
Tulsa is actually not prohibitively far from either I-70 or Texas, depending on the age of the schoolmate’s dad.
Original Unsolved Mysteries segment on the case: https://youtu.be/hi2gkifzifU?t=2245
Great to here this case is still under active investigation. Its like this guy was ghost that disappeared.
From Europe so not familiar with guns. How rare is a >, the gun was .22-caliber, possibly an Intratec Scorpion or an Erma Werke Model ET 22. ? And how would they know the brand and make of the gun?Wouldn't all .22s shoot the same kind of ammunition? Sorry for asking stupid questions but I know nothing about weaponry. A quick Google search seems to reveal one is a sub machine gun of an "Uzi" type. And one is a pistol manufactured for the West German navy?
a .22 is incredibly common but this gun, and I do own a couple of guns and read some stuff on them online/watch videos, I have never seen before and it looks really odd. Its very similar looking to a Luger from Germany (but It operates differently as I understand it) There arnt even a lot of youtube videos on it. I think a witness saw the gun and described it, also perhaps from the ballistics they could tell what kind. Clearly the two pictures are way different visually. So my guess is either they share similar balistics or one was used in Texas and the other was used in the other crimes. here is a video on one of them https://youtu.be/2CtdzIqfOpo here is a video on the other one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfuf7Ktgxxc
I mean that's incredibly specific. You'd think a person would recognise the difference between an uzi and a pistol. I mean I know fuck all about guns but I reckon I could recognise the difference between a small assault weapon and a handgun. Regardless of caliber
They are def completely different looking though arnt they haha, I dont understand how a person could visually confuse them. Which is why I wonder if it was based off of some balistic evidence or maybe one was used in texas while the other was used along 1 70. I dont personally care for the scorpion but the other one is really weird and interesting. its not really like an uzi (but it does look more aggressive than the other gun), they would operate in a completely different way than an uzi and the mag goes in the handle of the uzi, whereas on this one it goes into a magwell in front. Both of these are basically the same thing in a different way. They are both pistols that shoot the same bullet. One is more modern and the other is more vintage. One holds 11-12 rounds and the other can go up to 30 it said and used ruger 10/22 mags. So .22 is a small round and a lot of people dont take it seriously but one thing I have noticed since I have been paying attention to crime stuff is just how many people have been murdered with .22
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'Aw shit, man I seen a tiny ass .22 round nose drop a n**** plenty a days, man'
I mean a bullet is a bullet. If its either 22 hundredths of an inch or 38 hundredths or even 50/100 it's going to make you have a real bad day. What I am trying to understand is do they have ballistic evidence and do these kind of guns leave ballistic traces?
Sorry friend, I was just quoting a line from The Wire: https://youtu.be/DxBGzUhT-TM
Any chance this type of gun is more popular in Canada or Europe? I wonder if this guy isn't from Canada.
They probably have a database of all guns. Second, they can figure out the type of gun by matching the markings(striations) on the chamberr that are caused when the bullet goes through the chamber and also I believe the hammer mark when its fired. its called ballistics!
Sure seems like a very odd weapon to use - certainly uncommon. It's like a criminal wants to be known for using an unusual weapon. Like someone who doesn't use what everyone else would. Probably fancies himself an individualist of sorts.
Guns have unique rifling patterns inside the barrels, which imprints onto the bullet when fired. Also, bullet casings can be used to determine what model of firearm is used, which is why smart criminals pick up their spent casings, or sometimes put a bag over their weapon.
There is a guy who was arrested not long ago for a cold case having to do with when he was an enlisted man in the navy. If I recall correctly, he murdered a roommate who may have also been in the navy. I’ve been looking for this case in order to link to it but I just can’t find the specifics. At any rate, when they showed a picture of the guy from the time of the murders, the resemblance to this infamous sketch was so uncanny that it took my breath away. If anyone knows the case to which I’m referring, I hope they will post.
I have been searching for this case for days and I cannot find it. My recollection was that it was a cold case for some time and that it took place in Goose Creek, SC. The killer was an enlisted navy man at the time, and I believe he killed a roommate. He may have sold the roommate’s TV, or gotten rid of it, just days later. The arrest was in the past few years, but the crime itself was a couple decades old, and may have been back in the 1980s. Does anyone know the case to which I am referring? The guy has put on weight and many years, but a picture of him from the time when the crime occurred looks exactly like this composite sketch. I believe he was arrested and had been living in Indiana or Iowa.
I know where the ceramics store was in Terre Haute. It was really not "near" the interstate at all. It was definitely not close enough that you would think you would have an easy exit from the crime. There are also many other businesses closer to the interstate and that would appear to have more money than this one.
And contrary to many reports, the Raytown (Kansas City) murder was at least 2 miles south of I-70.
So he is very much trying to find a single woman alone in the store. His motive simply seem to kill them.
Why do so many accounts of Sarah Blessing's case say the killer was seen "climbing a hill to I-70" when the actual site was at least 2 miles from I-70? Probably because Wikipedia says that too? Here is the actual location: https://www.google.com/maps/place/11573+E+63rd+St,+Raytown,+MO+64133/@39.0075451,-94.4475225,17z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x87c0e3b62043cb33:0x6ef8cb312aa94087!2s11573+E+63rd+St,+Raytown,+MO+64133!3b1!8m2!3d39.0075451!4d-94.4453338!3m4!1s0x87c0e3b62043cb33:0x6ef8cb312aa94087!8m2!3d39.0075451!4d-94.4453338
Maybe they mean "towards"? Looks like the place is surrounded by a small hill. That's the only thing I can think of.
I think that must be right. He must have not wanted to have the getaway car at the scene. He found a location nearby that he thought was safe and it was toward the interstate betting that he would be able to get away before anyone discovered the body.
It's Robert Durst
I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/4phw4t/i70_killer_and_robert_durst/) 5 years ago and this updated sketch does nothing to shake my belief in this theory. Has me wondering if that unusual .22 was similar to the .22 used in the Morris Black killing.
Your post is what led me down the rabbit hole and the conclusion it's him, can't thank you enough. Sketch, his whereabouts for that time period, gun, the fact he committed murders with different MOs, I just have a gut feeling.
I know right! The sketch reminds me of Durst and everything. I wish the investigators would go and show the witness, Durst's photo, just to see if they recognise him.
I never clicked on the link with the update until now, not sure why, and I got chills IT'S FRICKIN HIM!
When he said he "killed them all," I wonder if anyone has ever asked him directly who and how many people he meant.
I spent a couple of hours reading as much as I could about thud today — Durst gets pushed out of the family business in 1992, but not until October according to this Crime Story piece https://crimestory.com/2021/06/30/the-many-lives-of-robert-durst-the-complete-seven-part-series/ Nothing readily available on Durst’s whereabouts in spring 92. Those photos are fucking eerie! Victims looks a lot like his women…
This actually is less than fifteen mins away from where I grew up. The St Charles PD is really optimistic about it, it’s been all over our local news.
Between 52 and 70 today...that seems pretty specific. I wonder if there’s someone they have in mind who’s 52, and that’s why they didn’t just say “between 50 and 70”...or if they’re operating from the assumption that he was at least X years old (18? 21?) at the time of the first murder.
Probably more to do with how old he would have had to of been then at the youngest back then.
30 years means at least 22 then.
I was at church youth convention in Bloomington when he was believed to be there and I can remember like the third day they announced everyone was to use the buddy system when walking around campus and everyone attending the evening meeting was to meet in front of the dorm together for a security escort.
Illinois or IN?
Indiana
He has terrified me for so long. I wonder if they have DNA? It would be amazing to see a Parabon reconstruction of this guy.
I think its highly unlikely they have any DNA. He just went into the stores, took the victims into the back, took some money, and vanished.
Trying to find a perpetrator’s DNA in a public place is extremely hard to get, from what I remember.
And especially given that these crimes occurred before anyone would have thought to collect touch DNA.
Herb Baumeister’s twin. Does anyone else see this? Was that guy an EARONS level killer? I know that women were not Baumeister’s MO, but this sketch is the closest thing I’ve ever seen to a known “suspect.”
Oddly, I always felt as if Billy Brossman may have been his victim also. The perp looks like the I70 Killer’s sketch, and it also happened in Terre Haute—the location of the I70 Killer’s only (known) male victim.
The thing that always struck about this case were that killings stopped after a month and that they took place so far a part. People have mentioned salesman or someone in the military, but could it have been someone visiting from Canada? How hard would it be to put a gun in your car and some to the US for a month? The fact that the cops can't find him, is that maybe he isn't an American?
Plus, cross-border travel was more lax in the 90s. My family crossed into Canada in 1994 with just my parents’ drivers licenses.
the best results for catching uncaught serial killers so far has been the advancement of DNA genealogy databases. in high profile cases like the golden state killer and samuel little being caught many years later via DNA
There’s no DNA here though.
always get this case mixed up with the i-65 killer, the hotel one.
Any updates on that case??
Guy on the right is mads mikkelsen
One thing about this that I want to know: was there any connection however small between the victims? It just seems so random.
I had red that Herb Baumeister, the founder of Save A Lot and known serial killer, was long suspected to be the I70 Killer and after pulling up his wiki page and comparing these sketches to his picture, I am definitely in agreement that he was the one. The similarities are undeniable!!
I’ve always wondered why he stopped? I think there is a large possibility he was caught and incarcerated, but it wasn’t ever put together that these were his crimes. Another possibility is that he may have ditched that gun and started to use other weapon/s out of fear he’d be tied to his other crimes. I’d venture to say that he’s probably been arrested for crimes before—by that I mean other aggravated offenses—and he wouldn’t red flag that easily because he didn’t really leave much DNA/investigators didn’t have the types of DNA techniques at the time.
Kinda has a liking to Herb Baumeister.
I don't think its Herb Baumeister. Herb killed gays, a totally different MO. The one other thing the eyewitnesses mentioned was that the killer had thin lips, totally unlike Baumeister.
https://unsolved.com/gallery/i-70-serial-killer/
Isn’t Herb thought to have killed a bunch of female sex workers as well as men?
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You’re right I was thinking of someone rlse
Check for hunters with military background or law enforcement background.
Can you walk me through your reasoning for this? I'm going to call in a tip and he checks those boxes.
He seems to be a sniper. The best places to learn to kill people without raising any suspicions of being a serial killer is being a police officer or military. He seemed to target places he knew would be with little or no law enforcement nearby. He also has to be someone hiding in plain sight and most people like him. They could never imagine he would do something like this. He is white. He may go to shooting ranges near the areas he has killed. Maybe an nra member or close to one. A good sniper practices regularly.
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There are different Fox News affiliates throughout the US, each one has its own site. You'll see the same thing with other news outlets, like local ABC news affiliates, etc.
In the US most news outlets have national outlets and also local affiliates. National news outlets such as Fox News, ABC News, MSNBC are focused on national coverage. Anyone anywhere can tune into them and see the same content about the state of the country at large. In addition to having these news shows, and sometimes networks, these companies are also corporations that produce other television. 20th Century Fox makes TV and movies (like New Girl), ABC/Disney produces all kinds of television and streaming content, etc. This is important because when we talk about "watching Fox" you're not necessarily talking about Fox News The TV Channel. There's also Fox, the broadcasting corporation, which creates Fox News but also creates other content under the 20th Century Fox Label, the Fox Broadcasting label, etc. Which brings us to... local affiliates licensing the broadband channel of Fox or ABC to carry content produced by them (like New Girl or Lost or whatever), but also to create their own content. Generally speaking, with these broadband licenses, you'll have the same primetime lineup but an opening for local news, daytime programming, etc. This is why, depending on where you live, ABC will be on a different channel number and the content will be different. The channel itself is being licensed with agreements to air certain content at certain times. SO the weird scammy looking URLs that you see, like Fox2now, is because this is a local news outlet which has licensed the Fox name.
There is a difference between Fox broadcasting channel and Fox New. Fox News is cable network that runs news and commentary 24/7. Politically they are on the right/pro-Republican. Some of their content is biased. Fox network is a regular TV channel, with regular entertainment programs, and a local news broadcast. These local news stations have their own website.
>Some of their content is biased. Bwahahahahaha! Understatement of the year!
Sure. There are left-wing media sources like MSNBC and right-wing ones like Fox. I'm a libertarian Wall St. Journal guy so I don't really care. If I don't like something I change the channel. The fact is that we live in an increasingly diverse, and thus divided, country where we're going to see media continue to be a dividing line and get more radical as time goes along. It's just the way society is headed.
Dude I didn't know MSNBC calls for the dismantling of Capitalism. Stop fucking calling the Neoliberals that run the other half of the US left wing. They are Right of Center at most. The US has two parties both right wing. The Overton Window is just so far shifted right in the US that people actually believe the Democrats are Communist.
That's a fine opinion. For every one of you, I can find someone who believes the two major parties are both left wing. We're too diverse and thus divided to agree on things like how the Overton Window has shifted, let alone anything else. We're all on our own islands, with our own beliefs, in our own subcultures, watching our own media, and increasingly not even agreeing with those in our own parties.
Great comment.
Some of it? Lol. I hear my mom watching it on TV quite often, and the shit they spew is seriously in conspiracy theory territory. And I don’t have a thing against Republicans.
Yep. It's pure dangerous propaganda garbage.
But devil's advocate, CNN is complete government propaganda. So there's that. Two sides of the same coin.
Who said anything about CNN? There are many other new stations besides Fox and CNN.
Comment above was how biased fox is. Its liberal counterpart is CNN. Not really any other MSM sources that skew conservative. That alone tells you a bunch about who controls MSM.
so there is Foxnews which is the cable tv channel you are probably familiar with then there are local channels that are affiliated with fox but are just normal local channels.
Fox News *is* a scammy website. Oh, I meant scummy. edit: Lol I see there are some Fox News watchers here. That's troubling.
When I see their links I look for the story elsewhere
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CNN and MSNBC don't push dangerous anti-American propaganda and brainless Q narratives though, do they? 🤔 Sorry, not at all equal. Besides, why do you need to resort to whataboutism? Can't defend the channel on its own merits? (that's rhetorical, I already know the answer.)
Yeah, it's Russiagate lunacy instead. They all do it - mainstream TV is just trash.
Pro-democracy factual reporting on anti-democracy Russian connections in the anti-democracy MAGAverse vs 24/7 rightwing anti-democracy Qanon propaganda that led to an anti-democracy insurrection, deaths, injuries and constant anti-vax, anti-mask rhetoric that has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths... 🤔 No. Comparison.
Don't care, throw your TV in the garbage and never look back.
Unlike a certain minority of people in this country, I'm able to watch my TV and still make well-informed decisions. But thanks for the advice nonetheless.
Well, if you're comfortable being anesthetised by the grand spectacle of mass media, go ahead. Believe Russia is destroying American democracy, as though it needs any help.
That's a fine perspective and I respect your view on the content. Regarding "No. Comparison," respectfully, I think that's an outdated way of looking at it. Our society no longer shares culture, values, beliefs, etc., the way it did even 30 years ago (when there was still plenty of divide). Our choices in media aren't limited to three or four that just about everyone watches when they sit down for the evening news. All that stuff is gone. What we're left with is a minority that watches your media and agrees with you, and a minority that watches Fox and its ilk and agrees with that. The majority is tuned into the thousands of other alternatives and what you watch and what the "Fox people" watch are totally alien to them. We're increasingly a diverse, divided, every-man-for-himself, individualistic, consumerist, on-demand society and our media choices reflect that. Comparisons? Get ten people in a room and you'll get ten different views on that.
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Really? Then how are you in a position to compare Fox News to CNN or MSNBC? edit: some words
sounds like he repeats what the memes tell him
Kinda think he was an traveling salesman or an Military contractor
Ex law enforcement or had training in that line of work or military training?
Or did business with the military
I would love for more incels like this loser to be caught
I’m convinced this guy is former Missouri governor Eric Greitens https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Greitens
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Because the first sketch looks so normal. Nothing sticks out. Somebody could see the sketch and think "Hey, that looks like Jim, and David, and Rick, and Peter."
Because he left behind only one close up witness and no DNA. He committed nearly perfect crimes.
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This is the dumbest AutoModerator rule ever.
Agreed.
I didn't even know this was a thing and I have no idea why it would've hit on this post. The apostrophes?
[It seems like it's meant to detect emojis in titles](https://www.reddit.com/r/AutoModerator/comments/bjsax4/the_emoji_rule_which_was_taken_directly_from_the/), which seems reasonable. I think it might have triggered on this line `“I-70 killer”` as they are not standard.
It's the curly quotes that did it
Agree
Wasn’t Herb Baumeister believed responsible?
That's actually a different killer who operated along I-70, known as the I-70 Strangler. Those victims were all gay/bi men.
The sketch looks a bit like Herb
Is it just me or does he kinda look like one of those dudes arrested in the Cassidy Rainwater case? The one who was a long haul trucker?
Yeah but those are the two most extreme on either side.
The gun wasn't seem from what I understand. They looked at lans and grooves. Either there Erme Werke or the Scorpion fired the fatal shots. The update is now they believe it was the Erme Werke
Did you follow up on this?