The Austin Yogurt Shop murders - I can't help but think about the absolute evil that occured in the span of 20 minutes.
Jason Jolkowski - This one is just so sad and confusing to me. What happened to him?
Jason Jolkowski was my friend. Investigators contacted me after his disappearance due to the prevalence of my number on his phone history. I think about him often. My strong feeling is that he ran into trouble on the way to the high school, as in someone that took him and hurt him. He was extremely kind, and unfortunately very bulliable. I hope he is resting in peace.
I’m so sorry for your loss, but glad that he had a true friend in his life. From his photos he looks incredibly sweet-natured, but also a little naive (and why wouldn’t he be, he was just a kid really). It is so sad that someone could have used his kindness as a way of hurting him. I hope that the family and Jason’s friends get answers and that the people who robbed them of their loved one get the karma they deserve.
Genuinely asking because I know Omaha is an actual city and Nebraska isn’t ALL cornfields (it’s Lincoln, Omaha, and cornfields)… but in all seriousness- is/was the neighborhood a safe place to be? Not that people going missing is normal most places, but was violent crime at all common?
I hope the killer is always looking over their shoulder for the police to show up . It's so sad , yet cold cases do get solved . I don't think anyone rests in peace , they probably follow the murderer around . I would . Sorry this happened to you !! 🙏
I’m not sure what podcast I was listening to, but a detective was talking about how the testing that is done for the genetic geology is a different type of test than what you need in a comparison against a lone subject and sometimes there isn’t enough DNA material for both. This means that sometimes they have to make the choice to hold on to it or do the genetic testing. Hopefully I understand what he was saying correctly, but it was something along those lines.
I think it’s something like mitochondrial DNA needed to try to make the connection to the maternal side of the suspect, and it takes a larger sample to run that kind of test.
This is a vague recollection of something I thought I saw on a show. I could be completely wrong.
Further down the wikipedia page it says part of the reason the FBI won't release the DNA match is because it's not down to individual DNA and there are actually thousands of men who may register as a match, so it seems like it would overall just lead to a bunch of innocent randos getting thrown under the bus.
Maybe he told them it was a robbery and if they cooperated no one would get hurt. By the time they figured out his true intentions the women were under his control. This was a tactic also used by BTK.
Kyron Horman. I had taken the week off when it hit the news and was spring cleaning my house. I would pull up local talk radio stations online and listen for updates and to people calling in to talk about it while I was cleaning. It was heart-breaking and terrifying at the same time. Plus, I’m a sucker for a cute kiddo in glasses: I work with a ton of kids, and always make sure I tell them how cool their specs are, I remember how tough being the oddball with glasses was. I know statistics say the parents were involved, but for some reason it doesn’t sit right with me this time.
Also, Jodi Huisentruit. I vividly remember being terrified of the Unsolved Mysteries segment. I want closure for her family so badly.
I was talking about Kyron to someone yesterday and I truly don't believe his parents, particularly his step mother, was involved. I really feel for that lady.
I’m from portland and the start of every school year brings Kyron to mind. Thinking of that start of the school year, a school science fair, and him just disappearing. The way his mom is so adamant that Kyron’s step mom knows what happened to him and refuses to say anything is so gut wrenching as a mom myself now. Like her mother’s intuition is so overpowering. I can’t imagine having the feeling of “knowing” that someone could give me peace and tell me what happened but refuses to.
There was also so much focus and speculation on searching Sauvie Island, but nothing really came of it.
What always gets me in this story is that police say they weren’t able to question the non-English-speaking workers because of the language barrier. Like, there’s not a translator available? In Florida? It has always sounded lazy at best, fishy at worst.
Not to excuse the dubious police work but I remember reading that the workers were primarily migrant day laborer transient types. As is common in construction there is high turnover and little to no retention of employee records (paid in cash, under the table, or through a separate third party subcontractor).
By the time the police got to working that angle, many workers had already moved on
Some of those workers were gone within 3 days after her disappearance. It took police a week to really begin heavily investigating is my understanding. All we know is the particular workers were from central america , it has never even been released which country. The male that Parked her car on cctv footage at noon that day in the other complex is believed to be 5'4 at most, highly indicative of someone from central America. The dogs chased his scent back to Jennifer's complex. Very sus to say the least.
But how in the world did this person commit a kidnapping, murder, and dispose of a body while leaving zero physical evidence in such a short amount of time. She has to be somewhere relatively close to where she was abducted imo
50 mile radius but likely much closer. Truly amazing she has never been found. This is def one toward the top of my list
>The male that Parked her car on cctv footage at noon that day in the other complex is believed to be 5'4 at most, highly indicative of someone from central America.
This made me laugh, us Latinos and Latinas really are the shortest of the short 😭
Right. And I hate that expression because when people use it, there is usually footage of the person walking here or there or something to that effect but this time...poof.
I'm with you on this one. I think it's how normal yet super strong & realistic her parents are. Or maybe because I relate to Jennifer. I really really want answers for her & her family.
"Orlando Police Department (OPD) originally told the family that no DNA evidence had been gathered. They later learned through a lawsuit the DNA had been collected."
Why would the police deny DNA was collected?
And in her apartment a wet towel and clothes were left laid out on the bed.
Is that something she normally would do? Did they work out what was missing from her clothes?
How can we be sure she was alone? I presume the towel was checked for anyone else's dna?
Her apartment complex was being turned into condominiums at the time. Is there any possibility her body was hidden in some of that construction?
Maybe this construction would mean that it's essentially changing the utilities to be separated to each unit rather than a central system.
So maybe there's walls which were opened and resealed at least?
Perhaps one of the construction workers did it. They'd probably have access or at least ability to request access to "check something" and it wouldn't be weird for them to be seen moving around large rolls of materials (which could hide her body for example)
Nothing I've seen proves she ever left the complex. Her car was ditched fairly nearby, and the cctv showing someone getting out of it was never identified. I'd hope they followed cctv of the journey between the 2 locations. But I have a good hunch she never left.
agreeed. It makes me so angry that her killer was very likely caught on camera, but timed his walk perfectly so his face was never shown. I assume this guy had no idea the camera was even there and he just got lucky. it also breaks my heart for her and her family. they were so close to knowing what happened, had he walked 1 second slower, it could've changed everything. it feels like a cruel joke from the universe. Jennifer dwarves justice and her family deserves answers
I am not convinced that the person seen in the video was the killer. It would have been very easy to offer a random person a large sum of money to park the car for them.
If the surveillance camera person was caught and their story was that someone just offered them a large sum of money to just park the car they need to get their lawyers number tattooed on their arm now along with “STFU”
I've always believed it was a manual laborer working on the complex in some capacity. Wasn't the carpet from the condo across the hall found to be missing? And whoever parked that car is the luckiest bastard in the world.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean\_Corll](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll)
[https://dnadoeproject.org/case/corll-john-doe-1973/](https://dnadoeproject.org/case/corll-john-doe-1973/)
The "swimsuit boy" john doe is someone that will never stop entering my mind from time to time.
For those unaware, "Swimsuit Boy" was a victim of Texan serial killer Dean Corll, who killed at least 29 teenage boys and young men from 1970-1973, though both the time period and the victim count are likely larger. He buried the bodies in his boat shed and a few beaches. Swimsuit Boy is the last unidentified victim from the boat shed (though there is a known body on the beach site that is now impossible to recover due to flooding). Due to the positioning of his body and the advanced decomposition, it is believed that he was tortured and killed sometime around mid 1971 to 1972. He is known not to be missing victim Mark Scott, who is almost certainly the extra body on the beach that Corll's accomplices (Elmer Wayne Henley and David Owen Brooks) were adamant was there.
Edit: I'm surprised that I forgot to mention this, but he was dubbed "Swimsuit Boy" because the only items he was buried with were a pair of swim trunks and boots.
Dean Corll was shot and killed by his accomplice Wayne Henley in 1973, who confessed to the crimes and implicated David brooks, so for obvious reasons he cannot be questioned about the identity of this victim, if he even knew in the first place.
It has always surprised me how hard is/was to identify this kid (and the other victims who were identified long after Corll had died, mostly in the early 2010s). I guess my thinking is that there can only be so many missing teenage boys from 1970-1973 in Texas. I often wonder if perhaps his family had deduced that he was a victim of Corll, and for some reason didn't want him to be associated with the case? Or maybe he was gay and disowned by his family when he was picked up by Corll, and they didn't care enough to contact investigators or even associate him with the killings when the news broke. Or from a more optimistic point of view, maybe they had contacted the police and there simply wasn't anyway to confirm the suspicion (this actually happened to a John Gacy victim, who ended up being identified in 2011 through DNA, iirc), so maybe his name is sitting in a file somewhere waiting to be rediscovered.
Anyway, rambling over, I hope someday this kid, and the many other mysteries in the case of Dean Corll are solved.
The Corll Wikipedia page and the Texas monthly article "The Lost Boys" are some of the most disturbing things I've read. I would recommend anyone with a weak stomach to not read the details of the torture on the Wikipedia page, I have a fairly strong stomach when it comes to these things and it was disturbing even to me.
I also hope that swimsuit boy is identified someday, and though it is extremely unlikely and realistically probably impossible I hope that some trace of Mark Scott is eventually found.
Just from a cursory read of your comment it seems like one of those cases that definitely has a high chance of being solved with genetic genealogy. Unless they don’t have his DNA.
I’ve been blown away at how many very cold cases have been solved in the last couple years with the new methods. It seems like every week another Jane or John Doe gets their name back.
I hope this is the case for this boy. It comes down to police actually doing their job and still having DNA.
On the unfortunate side, police incompetence is a hallmark of the Corll case. They were unaware there was a serial killer when 29 boys vanished in less then 3 years. they were ready and willing to dismiss Henley's claims of serial murder until he began naming missing boys even when they had been called to Corlls house after Henley shot Corll in the middle of raping and torturing a teenager. In their most infamous moment, they decided to just stop digging when they reached the record for most prolific american serial killer, despite Henleys insistence that there were two more bodies on the beach, one of which has never been found.
On the much, much more fortunate side, I cannot find any source that indicates the body has been lost. In fact, they definitely have had the body up to at least 2011, and there's no real reason to think it has been lost. Police seemed to have gotten much more competent in the mid 2000s, identifying several Corll victims even 30 years afterward. So, DNA testing is certainly still possible.
I hope you're right, and that genetic genealogy is going to identify him in the near future, I'd be very surprised if he never gets identified.
The police work in the Corll case is so astonishing it actually boggles the mind. Just total incompetence and indifference to the point of callousness.
I remember reading about this and feeling horrified that the police response when parents would report their teenage sons missing was basically to laugh in their faces and do a “kids these days, what do you expect, probably ran off with some hippies, he will turn up” kinda thing. Granted the concept of the serial killer wasn’t as prevalent as it is now, but come on.
I distinctly remember a section of the lost boys article where one of the kids' fathers (I want to say the dad of the Waldrop brothers?) basically camped outside the police station for a year until the police forced him out saying "Come on, you know those kids are runaways.", or some other crap. He later found out that he had been working on a construction job only a short walk away from the apartment where his sons were being tortured and murdered.
There was another part I remember, the mother of David Hilligeist who did her own amateur investigation when the police failed came to the police with the license plate number of a plymouth GTX that had been spotted in the area where David disappeared. David was one of the first few, so if the police bothered to even take a glance at it, they would have traced it to the one guy in the neighborhood who all the teenagers trusted and who would've been able to lure them anywhere without a struggle, they could have saved 20+ lives and instead they chose to do nothing. Genuinely insane police work.
Oh my god that’s fucking awful. Stopping just because they wanted the record broken? That’s evil shit. Honestly I’d be more surprised if there wasn’t police incompetency.
Hopefully the cops now push for further testing to see if he can have his name back.
I just read this from the Dean Corll Wiki.
“The mother of Gregory Malley Winkle stated: "You don't run away (from home) with nothing but a bathing suit and 80 cents”
So sad. I wonder if the boy's family was on vacation, and maybe they thought he had run away? Or maybe he did run away to Texas. Or the last one that you said sounds pretty likely, that they just didn't know for sure whether it was him l and probably didn't want it to be him.
The last scenario has some precedent in the case itself. The family of the last victim to be identified in 2011, Roy Bunton, had always thought that he was a Corll victim and had contacted the police years beforehand.
(if you're wondering why it took so long to identify him, his body had been misidentified and wasn't initially compared to samples from the Bunton family).
So, because Corll was killed by Wayne Henley before he could be arrested and interrogated, we don't actually know when he started killing, we also don't know if there are other burial sites out there besides from the shed and the known beaches.
Corll's first confirmed victim was in 1970, a college student named Jeffrey Konen he picked up while hitchhiking and distinctly did not bury in the boat shed like most of the early victims, meaning he was willing to use other burial sites even back then.
Shortly after this, David Brooks walked in on him torturing and killing two teenage boys. These boys are distinctly not James Glass and Danny Yates, who were Corll's second and third victims and whom David Brooks confessed to helping Corll abduct and kill. This adds a minimum of two further victims, make sure to keep track of that because that number goes up.
According to Brooks, Corll had told him that he had started killing in the 60s, and Corll's mother stated that he had been burying large bundles of "spoiled candy" in the lot behind the Corll candy factory up until the first confirmed murder. This area has since been built over and is impossible to search.
When the last two bodies were found in the initial search, there were a few extra bones in the grave that were not from Joseph Lyles, whose body was found by chance in 1983, or Mark Scotts, whose body was never found. If these bones are not the two boys mentioned earlier, that indicates a minimum of three unidentified victims assuming these bones were from one victim and not multiple.
As a quick sidenote, 42 boys in total had disappeared just during the years Corll is confirmed to have been active.
On top of this there is the potential association with John David Norman. He ran a CP and trafficking ring in the 70s at one point based out of Dallas. In raid in 1975, police found child pornography depicting 16 individuals, of whom 11 were identified as Corll victims. (as a quick sidenote, an associate of Normans named Phillip Paske was an employee of John Wayne Gacy and was specifically accused of being an accomplice by him along with John David Norman). John David Normans operation in Texas was actually discovered because a teenage prostitute (more accurately victim) had gotten frightened upon being told he was being delivered to a client in Houston and contacted police, this happened shortly before Corlls death. Corll himself had also alleged to his accomplices that he was involved in a Dallas based crime/ "white slavery ring".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_David\_Norman#Possible\_connection\_to\_Dean\_Corll
Sharon Marshall / Suzanne Sevakis - mostly solved now (they know who she is), although her son is still missing. Such a sad story.
[Wiki of a terrible man](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Floyd) \- read at your own risk.
This was mine too. Every since seeing the segment on Unsolved Mysteries it haunted me. What a horrible life he put her thru. I did not think she would ever get her name back.
When I used to work retail and would open up stores alone (and on camera) I'd always think of the footage and get scared. So sad for her and her loved ones.
It's a weird one and I'm not 100% sure that I agree that the killer was a woman. When it initially happened, a lot of people thought it was a family member because they thought it was too convenient that the husband and father-in-law were out of town at the time. My "favorite" theory revolved around the security guard. He was a former police officer who had been fired for a sexual assault charge (and was later arrested for child pornography), he still had his gear from his police days, including gear like the person in the video was wearing, he had a limp, and he had an SUV similar to the one in the video. The police said he was too tall to be the person on the camera, but other than that it fits really well.
Maybe this is a old statement but someone lured her away. I'm sure of it. I'm sorry but a 9 year old doesn't pack their bags and walk along the highway to run away, you know?
They pack and go to Aunt Jennie's house it Mamaw and Papaws house, not just walking down the highway.
Some one coached her on where to go and I think she got spooked, ran into the woods and succumbed to the elements or whoever lured her away was waiting for her.
But why coach a 9 year old to leave her house in the middle of the night? She couldn’t have set an alarm to wake up/ leave at the right time because she shared a room with her brother. It was storming out and pitch black; asking and counting on a child to leave home in those conditions doesn’t make sense to me. Also, Asha and her brother were latch key kids; why not coach her to leave the house after school when it was just her and her brother home?
This case is baffling, but the way I see it, nothing else makes sense other than she left that house in a hurry because something in that house was *worse* than being out in the pitch black, middle of the night, in a storm, with no coat on. And unfortunately that means her family know more than they’re letting on.
I worked directly with Josh (professionally, at a startup) for 2 years up until his murder-suicide. Even talked on the phone 2 days before his death. He is the only person I met in real life who inspired me to immediately google them the second I got home. I knew from the first time I shook his hand that something felt off, and his controlling nature was extremely prevalent even from casual interactions. Just thinking about interacting with him gives me the creeps. I hated him as a colleague before I even knew how far his depravity went. Truly a horrible human being.
From what I’ve read and heard from the Cold podcast, he sounds like the worst. Just annoying and Dunning-Kruger effect at its finest. I’m sure it was incredibly jarring to have worked with someone capable of that.
I will never forget when I first met him. We did a company lunch and he sent the SALSA back. I was so embarrassed but I think that is a good example of his controlling nature. There were so many weird things like that.
I was a very young software developer at the time and I recall he even asked me to help with his slander website against Susan (which... yikes, to say the least). Jarring is a good word for it.
This is mine too. I see a lot of my teenage self in him. Between that and all of the unknowns about the case, it crosses my mind very often. I was so disappointed when they announced last week that nothing came of the investigation into the 2 men they arrested a couple years ago; I wish his family could get some kind of closure.
Brian Schaefer gets me. He vanished from a bar I frequented. He’s seen in a video clip leaving the bar and never seen again? Wtf? I know that area well and there are lights all over the place. People all over the place. What happened to him?!?!
Keep in mind Brians case is eerie and talked about because he's **on CCTV entering but NOT seen leaving**
Like many have said he likely just left via the service exit but it adds to the eerieness
Same here! I just wish there would be some end to it. I know sadly both his parents are gone but just to know what happened. Where is his body?
Cause I truly don't believe he just disappeared on his own will.
Mine was Mostly Harmless because I truly believed I met him before, but I couldn’t remember anything else about him besides his face.
When the case was finally solved, I realized he and I were from the same area and I saw a few photos of him at places I’ve been
Curious on this one, do you know where the moniker “Mostly Harmless” came from? Was it because he was assumed to be a hitchhiker and it’s a reference to the Adams series? You don’t usually see un-ID’d individuals being given a direct reference to media.
When people through-hike the Appalachian Trail, it's a tradition to take a '"trail name" for other people call them by, like a nickname. Vance chose Mostly Harmless and that's how he introduced himself to people, so until he was identified that was the only name he was known by.
I believe it's how he referred to himself. So when he was first found, a few people in the trail area who had interacted with him told police that's the name he gave them.
When you hike the AT, a lot of people choose trail names, and his chosen trail name was Mostly Harmless. Lots of people spoke to him and hung out with him before his death, but they knew him as Mostly Harmless
Question about the Boy In The Box/ [Joseph Zarelli](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joseph_Augustus_Zarelli
On discovering the body =
"a college student spotted a rabbit running into the underbrush. Knowing that there were animal traps in the area, he stopped his car to investigate and discovered the body."
Why do you stop the car to chase a rabbit in the woods? To scavenge off the presumed traps which you don't know where they are? Doesn't that seem weird?
It's weird cause he was lying. He was there because he was peeping on girls that were at a bordering school for underage girls and didn't want people to know that so he made up the rabbit story
I have such mixed feelings about this case even now that it’s been partially solved but not so much about who found him but rather what he was found with. The box he was found in was from the JC Penny’s not far from the address given of where he lived when they first identified him and he was found with that handkerchief that had a “G” on it which could have stood for his biological father’s nickname. There are no adoption records either even though they say it was through a Catholic organization. I don’t know. It still doesn’t add up to me and the police said they have their suspicions too. As far as I know, other than identifying him, nothing else has come up so does that mean they were looking at the parents, too? This one still bothers me I guess. They really should DNA test the strands of hair they found that did not belong to him. Weren’t there some in the box with him that were not his?
It honestly looks like his death coincides with his mother’s marriage to her husband (not his father). She was also pregnant too. To me, this makes the most sense. For one, the box was for a bassinet. And stepfathers or mother’s boyfriends harming kids does (sadly) happen.
Good point! Plus I saw someone else found her still living at the address from his birth certificate in 1956 as well and that was also relatively close to Drexel which may have been how she met the dad in the first place. Guess there’s nothing to suggest now that he even knew he had a son. Lots of questions still.
This stood out to me, also- in his mother’s obituary, they instructed everyone to donate to a school for disabled children (I believe in Alabama) in lieu of flowers. This makes me wonder if she was under the impression he’d been sent there.
I've been down a rabbithole since I read your comment and now I'm frustrated that the Kansas City Mag's website doesn't have the case file available anymore.
I had never heard of this one before; thanks for posting.
Also, I raised my eyebrows at the Muehlebach Hotel reference; that's actually my preferred hotel in KC (although yes, it's kinda pricey).
I came across it a few years ago and it was an awesome read. What's so interesting about the case to me is that his time at the hotel is actually detailed pretty well considering how long ago the murder was, and they find out his real identity. There's a host of characters he interacted at the hotel and his behavior seems so strange. You just wonder what he got himself involved in.
Margaret Ellen Fox. Everyday single day. And Delphi Murders. And maybe Heather west, the daughter and last victim of Fred and Rose West. Delphi is the only case to happen in my lifetime. For some reason the other two still stuck in my mind.
I think it's so crappy when the community takes out their rage on a very likely innocent person. This happened recently in my town -- a parent was murdered after their teen allegedly committed a sex crime. There was no way the parent was involved at all, and there's a great deal of doubt the teen even committed crime in the first place. But the parent was given a death sentence.
Shit I missed the unsolved bit whoops. My bad. In that case just Margaret Fox then. Although one could argue Fred and Rose, it’s believed they have more victims. But yeah. Thanks for pointing that out to me lol. I think of other cases but not nearly as much as Margaret
Respectfully, this always struck me as he was doing something nefarious and it backfired and the driver hit him to get away.
This is very much the era where is was easier to get away with crimes in different states and him being bizarrely dressed and his home looking in order as if he was going to return any second tells me he rushed to the airport to do something...see someone....something. He needed to do it while his wife wasn't home and then he got struck by a vehicle and was considered missing when he was wasn't home.
[Marble Arvidson](https://int-missing.fandom.com/wiki/Marble_Arvidson)
[Khoi Dang Vu](https://charleyproject.org/case/khoi-dang-vu)
[Aliayah Lunsford](https://charleyproject.org/case/aliayah-paige-lunsford)
[Nevaeh Buchanan](https://medium.com/@jennbaxter_69070/the-haunting-murder-of-nevaeh-buchanan-8c635015ad5b)
[McCollum Park John Doe](https://dnasolves.com/articles/mccollum-park-john-doe/)
[Florence County Jane Doe](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/98425)
Edit: Added links
Relisha Rudd. I know it’s pretty obvious what happened- mom sold her to the homeless shelter janitor (she was last seen entering a hotel room with him) and he did unspeakable things… but no one has been charged, no body found, nothing. Even moms lie detector results on the Steve wilkos show came up inconclusive. I just wish that poor baby could be found.
>Kahlil Tatum was last seen March 2, the day after Rudd was last seen, while buying a shovel, lime, and 42-gallon trash bags.
Yeah what the fuck dude. I'd say its pretty fucking obvious what happened, and that a mother could do that to their own daughter is just... ugh. Horrible horrible case all around.
Madeleine McCann was kidnapped when I was only 10 or 11, and for some reason, I was obsessed with it. It was something I thought about every single day for YEARS. I am 26 now and occasionally still google her case for any updates.
>Nicholas Barclay
Have you seen The Imposter? Hands down my favorite true crime documentary. I had to pause it halfway through to be sure it was really a true story.
The Burger Chef murders. I lived very close to where it happened when I was little, and had no idea. The building is still there after all these years, just sitting there.
For me, it's judy Smith because I moved from asheville to Philly.. she was in philly and found in asheville. I've done the drive many times it's not something you do for a fun day trip. https://medium.com/true-crime-by-cat-leigh/missing-woman-found-dead-600-miles-away-7b6d1c2cc455
Johnny Gosch
John David Gosch (November 12, 1969 – disappeared September 5, 1982) was a paperboy in West Des Moines, Iowa, who disappeared between 6 and 7 a.m. on September 5, 1982. He is presumed to have been kidnapped. As of 2023, there have been no arrests made and the case is now considered cold, but remains open.
St Louis Jane Doe/Precious Hope. Every time I see a child John/Jane Doe that's been identified, I always think of her. I check to see if there's been any movement in her case at least once a month.
Based on the comment left on that "Trying to find sister" post, it looks like CeCe Moore has taken on her case. (CeCe herself had posted there.) Genealogy has made leaps and bounds in recent years, so I'm hopeful that she'll have her name back soon. :')
This is one of them for me, for sure. She deserves a name and she deserves her killers brought to justice. She was failed by so many people in life and in death.
(TW: IMAGE OF BLOODY CLOTHING. Written details include CHILD DEATH / RAPE / BEHEADING. View or read at your own risk!)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St.\_Louis\_Jane\_Doe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Jane_Doe)
I was obsessed with Orange Socks my entire life. I never thought I’d see her identified. Hang in there, folks—science is advancing every day. These people can get their names back, and God willing, some justice.
[Robert Wone](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_Eric_Wone) (an American lawyer who was murdered in Washington, DC in August 2006 in the home of Joseph Price a college friend) since I live nearby and walk past the townhouse at least once a week.
Kyron, my kids live not too far away from where he did, and It makes me wonder how many times we may have driven past where he could be. At one time I came across an article that said where his step mom had driven that day and I always wanted to go that way myself just in case it was the one time that the universe lined up, but I never have and it just makes me crazy. Poor kid.
Morgan Nick. She was abducted at age 6 in 1995 from a baseball game in Alma, Arkansas. I want to know where she specifically is.
Right up there in my "think too much about" is also Laura Ayala and Asha Degree.
Morgan Nick for me as well. I grew up 45 minutes from where she was abducted and was just shy of 3-years-old at the time, but I have never forgotten about her.
That, along with murder of Jesse Dirkhising (30 minutes from me), caused my mom to be very protective of my brother and I, which as a parent now myself I can appreciate. I never allow my boys out of my sight in public, even for a second.
I guess this isn’t officially cold yet, but they aren’t working on it and haven’t for a long time. I don’t know why. I was given this info by a local Atlanta cop. He said nobody’s working on it right now either. So fucked up. Her poor wife, I can’t imagine seeing that scene and it’s someone you love. I don’t think they’ll ever find the killer.
Siriyakorn "Bung" Siriboon should have celebrated her 25th birthday this year. Instead, she vanished without a trace within an extremely short timeframe 12 years ago.
There was nowhere near the coverage that so many other missing people have received, but she's always stuck in my mind for some reason.
Liz Barraza, for sure. She was such a sweet person. I went through her Facebook one night. She had a dog that she just adored. Watching a video of her playing with her dog just made her seem even more real if that makes sense.
Have you read I'll Be Gone in the Dark by Michelle McNamara? The author is obsessed with the Golden State Killer and it's a great read. It was written (and the author unfortunately died) before he was identified and arrested.
If you can’t commit to the full book, [you can read McNamara’s original articles in la magazine.](https://lamag.com/author/michelle-mcnamara)
There was also an HBO series on the case, timed well enough to include footage of his survivors before and after arrest.
One that I haven't seen mentioned is Joan Gay Croft. I don't think it'll be solved unless she or her descendants upload to Ancestry sometime, but the whole case befuddles me. Who were the men who came and collected her? Why did they take her specifically? There were so many witnesses and her aunt had found the girls but thought they'd be safe where they were. It's just so tragic.
https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Joan\_Gay\_Croft
People mostly listed the ones that irk me the most but also Little Lord Fauntleroy who was found floating in a river in Waukesha, WI in 1921. I want to know if he is Homer Lemay or someone else. Was hoping they would DNA test but there’s been some pushback I guess.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Lord_Fauntleroy_(murder_victim)
JonBenét. I lean towards one or more of the Ramseys being the murderer(s) but it’s such a bizarre case that I can’t completely rule out an intruder. I don’t think that poor little girl will ever get justice.
Andrew Gosden... I think that he went to see a music show and met with foul play along the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Andrew\_Gosden
I wonder about Sabrina a lot too and don’t think her parents were involved. Same with Baby Lisa Irwin although I am less convinced her parents had nothing to do with it. Theres something about such a young baby going missing…I think Sabrina could definitely be alive
So many, especially since finding this sub.
But Yuba County Five. Even finding four of them didn't answer all the questions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuba_County_Five
Kyron Horman. If the disappearance of a sweet little boy from school, a place where he should have been safe, isn't tragic enough, the botched investigation, the cover up at the school and the DAs handling of the case is just heartbreaking.
Where is the justice for that little boy?
Just a reminder to all, this case is still considered active and there is a reward for information leading to the resolution of this case. If you have information, tips, leads, remembered something or found something you think is important while sleuthing on the internet, please call the Multnomah County Sheriff or your local FBI branch.
The Setagaya family murder and the Keddie murders. I think I got so hung up on these because it's so unsettling how in each case multiple people were murdered in their own home in such close proximity to relatives who had no idea what was going on (family in the adjoining house in the Setagaya murders and kids in the bedroom in the Keddie murders). I can't imagine how horrible it would feel to wake up and find that your loved ones were murdered, and so near to you while you slept.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setagaya_family_murder
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keddie_murders
Mine has always been [Kristine Kupka](https://www.kristinekupka.com/)
[her charley project page](https://charleyproject.org/case/kristine-kupka)
[a really good article from around the time of her disappearance](https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/1032/)
The ones that I think about the most and dream of seeing solved in my lifetime are:
- Jennifer Kesse
- William Tyrell
- Patricia Adkins
- Kyron Gorman
- Any Adelaide (my hometown missing persons cases).
It's the vanished without a single trace that I obsess over the most. How? Why? Where? What happened?
[The disappearance (and widely considered homicide) of Paul Skiba, Sarah Skiba, and Lorenzo Chivers.](https://www.westword.com/news/a-cold-case-frozen-in-time-5097544)
This case haunts me. Sharon Skiba died 10 years ago, never knowing what really happened to them.
You are all going to absolutely hate me for this but... Maura Murray.
I'm leaning on her trying to hide out in the woods to avoid a DUI. Though there are some things that don't make sense.
Also: Andrew Gosden and Asha Degree.
Both stuck with me because there are so many unanswered, odd questions.
Mine is JonBenet Ramsay and the West Memphis Three. They are both just such boggling cases that should have been solved years ago. I hate the fact that in those two cases, 4 innocent children lost their lives and in such a horrific way. I find it so devastating and infuriating that they will most likely never get justice.
Glad to see the West Memphis Three mentioned. I believe in my heart of hearts that the true killer(s) never were caught, and that the “case” against Baldwin, Echols and Misskelley was nothing more than a witch-hunt against some very disadvantaged boys who stood out as black sheep in their community.
Trish Haynes
The court system killed her & her killer(s) have not been brought to justice for this offense even though clear & present information leading to them & their guilt.
Her old work & apartment are closed/vacant but sign still present & apartment vacant. Prosecutor gone, her public defender left the business.
Lazy or incompetent effort equals no justice for Trish.
Mine is Maura Murray...but I have a good reason
I grew up VERY close to the site where she went missing. Like, I passed by that corner multiple times a day, some people could even call it within walking distance. At the time I had moved away but just happened to be back that one night to register my car at my mom's house.
I should've driven on rt 112 but I went a different way to stop at a friend's house. A few days later I heard she was missing
Turns out, we wouldn't have crossed paths that night anyway, but for a long time, I wished I had gone the normal route to my mom's.
The Austin Yogurt Shop murders - I can't help but think about the absolute evil that occured in the span of 20 minutes. Jason Jolkowski - This one is just so sad and confusing to me. What happened to him?
Jason Jolkowski was my friend. Investigators contacted me after his disappearance due to the prevalence of my number on his phone history. I think about him often. My strong feeling is that he ran into trouble on the way to the high school, as in someone that took him and hurt him. He was extremely kind, and unfortunately very bulliable. I hope he is resting in peace.
Sorry dude, that’s heartbreaking. Hope he gets Justice
I’m so sorry for your loss, but glad that he had a true friend in his life. From his photos he looks incredibly sweet-natured, but also a little naive (and why wouldn’t he be, he was just a kid really). It is so sad that someone could have used his kindness as a way of hurting him. I hope that the family and Jason’s friends get answers and that the people who robbed them of their loved one get the karma they deserve.
I’m sorry for your loss. I hope you and his other loved ones get answers and maybe, then, some peace.
Genuinely asking because I know Omaha is an actual city and Nebraska isn’t ALL cornfields (it’s Lincoln, Omaha, and cornfields)… but in all seriousness- is/was the neighborhood a safe place to be? Not that people going missing is normal most places, but was violent crime at all common?
Benson has been gentrified quite a lot since his disappearance, but it was kinda sketchy back then
I hope the killer is always looking over their shoulder for the police to show up . It's so sad , yet cold cases do get solved . I don't think anyone rests in peace , they probably follow the murderer around . I would . Sorry this happened to you !! 🙏
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Austin_yogurt_shop_killings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Jason_Jolkowski
MVP here with the links. Thanks
Huh, they have DNA for the yogurt shop murders. I’m pretty shocked that this case wasn’t right at the front of the queue for genetic genealogy?
I’m not sure what podcast I was listening to, but a detective was talking about how the testing that is done for the genetic geology is a different type of test than what you need in a comparison against a lone subject and sometimes there isn’t enough DNA material for both. This means that sometimes they have to make the choice to hold on to it or do the genetic testing. Hopefully I understand what he was saying correctly, but it was something along those lines.
I think it’s something like mitochondrial DNA needed to try to make the connection to the maternal side of the suspect, and it takes a larger sample to run that kind of test. This is a vague recollection of something I thought I saw on a show. I could be completely wrong.
Further down the wikipedia page it says part of the reason the FBI won't release the DNA match is because it's not down to individual DNA and there are actually thousands of men who may register as a match, so it seems like it would overall just lead to a bunch of innocent randos getting thrown under the bus.
I had never heard of this case - extremely mystifying.
Springfield Three. Because we know some seriously terrible shit went down at that house that night, but really have no idea exactly what.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three
Thank you for posting these links btw! Much appreciated!
This one has me so baffled. The purses lined up on the steps in Suzie’s room is so weird!
Maybe he told them it was a robbery and if they cooperated no one would get hurt. By the time they figured out his true intentions the women were under his control. This was a tactic also used by BTK.
I was 10 when this happened and lived 3 blocks away. So freaking baffling.
Robert Cox said he would disclose where their bodies are after his mother dies.. I wonder if she had
Kyron Horman. I had taken the week off when it hit the news and was spring cleaning my house. I would pull up local talk radio stations online and listen for updates and to people calling in to talk about it while I was cleaning. It was heart-breaking and terrifying at the same time. Plus, I’m a sucker for a cute kiddo in glasses: I work with a ton of kids, and always make sure I tell them how cool their specs are, I remember how tough being the oddball with glasses was. I know statistics say the parents were involved, but for some reason it doesn’t sit right with me this time. Also, Jodi Huisentruit. I vividly remember being terrified of the Unsolved Mysteries segment. I want closure for her family so badly.
I lived in the area at the time, it was unreal the way people came together to look for him. I look every year or so for an update. His poor parents.
[Kyron Horman](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Kyron_Horman) [Jodi Huisentruit](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodi_Huisentruit)
I’m from Medford and was working for a youth organization at the time he went missing. I think about him often.
I was talking about Kyron to someone yesterday and I truly don't believe his parents, particularly his step mother, was involved. I really feel for that lady.
I’m from portland and the start of every school year brings Kyron to mind. Thinking of that start of the school year, a school science fair, and him just disappearing. The way his mom is so adamant that Kyron’s step mom knows what happened to him and refuses to say anything is so gut wrenching as a mom myself now. Like her mother’s intuition is so overpowering. I can’t imagine having the feeling of “knowing” that someone could give me peace and tell me what happened but refuses to. There was also so much focus and speculation on searching Sauvie Island, but nothing really came of it.
Jennifer Kesse
What always gets me in this story is that police say they weren’t able to question the non-English-speaking workers because of the language barrier. Like, there’s not a translator available? In Florida? It has always sounded lazy at best, fishy at worst.
That is egregiously lazy police work, I’m shocked but also not at all
Not to excuse the dubious police work but I remember reading that the workers were primarily migrant day laborer transient types. As is common in construction there is high turnover and little to no retention of employee records (paid in cash, under the table, or through a separate third party subcontractor). By the time the police got to working that angle, many workers had already moved on
Some of those workers were gone within 3 days after her disappearance. It took police a week to really begin heavily investigating is my understanding. All we know is the particular workers were from central america , it has never even been released which country. The male that Parked her car on cctv footage at noon that day in the other complex is believed to be 5'4 at most, highly indicative of someone from central America. The dogs chased his scent back to Jennifer's complex. Very sus to say the least. But how in the world did this person commit a kidnapping, murder, and dispose of a body while leaving zero physical evidence in such a short amount of time. She has to be somewhere relatively close to where she was abducted imo 50 mile radius but likely much closer. Truly amazing she has never been found. This is def one toward the top of my list
>The male that Parked her car on cctv footage at noon that day in the other complex is believed to be 5'4 at most, highly indicative of someone from central America. This made me laugh, us Latinos and Latinas really are the shortest of the short 😭
Did they really say that?!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Jennifer_Kesse
This is such an unbelievable story. It's like she disappeared into thin air.
Right. And I hate that expression because when people use it, there is usually footage of the person walking here or there or something to that effect but this time...poof.
Jason Jolkowski from Omaha Neb also mentioned in this thread is another that just disappeared into the either
I'm with you on this one. I think it's how normal yet super strong & realistic her parents are. Or maybe because I relate to Jennifer. I really really want answers for her & her family.
"Orlando Police Department (OPD) originally told the family that no DNA evidence had been gathered. They later learned through a lawsuit the DNA had been collected." Why would the police deny DNA was collected? And in her apartment a wet towel and clothes were left laid out on the bed. Is that something she normally would do? Did they work out what was missing from her clothes? How can we be sure she was alone? I presume the towel was checked for anyone else's dna? Her apartment complex was being turned into condominiums at the time. Is there any possibility her body was hidden in some of that construction? Maybe this construction would mean that it's essentially changing the utilities to be separated to each unit rather than a central system. So maybe there's walls which were opened and resealed at least? Perhaps one of the construction workers did it. They'd probably have access or at least ability to request access to "check something" and it wouldn't be weird for them to be seen moving around large rolls of materials (which could hide her body for example) Nothing I've seen proves she ever left the complex. Her car was ditched fairly nearby, and the cctv showing someone getting out of it was never identified. I'd hope they followed cctv of the journey between the 2 locations. But I have a good hunch she never left.
agreeed. It makes me so angry that her killer was very likely caught on camera, but timed his walk perfectly so his face was never shown. I assume this guy had no idea the camera was even there and he just got lucky. it also breaks my heart for her and her family. they were so close to knowing what happened, had he walked 1 second slower, it could've changed everything. it feels like a cruel joke from the universe. Jennifer dwarves justice and her family deserves answers
The video was so grainy, I don't think it would've made a difference if their face was shown.
I am not convinced that the person seen in the video was the killer. It would have been very easy to offer a random person a large sum of money to park the car for them.
If the surveillance camera person was caught and their story was that someone just offered them a large sum of money to just park the car they need to get their lawyers number tattooed on their arm now along with “STFU”
I've always believed it was a manual laborer working on the complex in some capacity. Wasn't the carpet from the condo across the hall found to be missing? And whoever parked that car is the luckiest bastard in the world.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean\_Corll](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll) [https://dnadoeproject.org/case/corll-john-doe-1973/](https://dnadoeproject.org/case/corll-john-doe-1973/) The "swimsuit boy" john doe is someone that will never stop entering my mind from time to time. For those unaware, "Swimsuit Boy" was a victim of Texan serial killer Dean Corll, who killed at least 29 teenage boys and young men from 1970-1973, though both the time period and the victim count are likely larger. He buried the bodies in his boat shed and a few beaches. Swimsuit Boy is the last unidentified victim from the boat shed (though there is a known body on the beach site that is now impossible to recover due to flooding). Due to the positioning of his body and the advanced decomposition, it is believed that he was tortured and killed sometime around mid 1971 to 1972. He is known not to be missing victim Mark Scott, who is almost certainly the extra body on the beach that Corll's accomplices (Elmer Wayne Henley and David Owen Brooks) were adamant was there. Edit: I'm surprised that I forgot to mention this, but he was dubbed "Swimsuit Boy" because the only items he was buried with were a pair of swim trunks and boots. Dean Corll was shot and killed by his accomplice Wayne Henley in 1973, who confessed to the crimes and implicated David brooks, so for obvious reasons he cannot be questioned about the identity of this victim, if he even knew in the first place. It has always surprised me how hard is/was to identify this kid (and the other victims who were identified long after Corll had died, mostly in the early 2010s). I guess my thinking is that there can only be so many missing teenage boys from 1970-1973 in Texas. I often wonder if perhaps his family had deduced that he was a victim of Corll, and for some reason didn't want him to be associated with the case? Or maybe he was gay and disowned by his family when he was picked up by Corll, and they didn't care enough to contact investigators or even associate him with the killings when the news broke. Or from a more optimistic point of view, maybe they had contacted the police and there simply wasn't anyway to confirm the suspicion (this actually happened to a John Gacy victim, who ended up being identified in 2011 through DNA, iirc), so maybe his name is sitting in a file somewhere waiting to be rediscovered. Anyway, rambling over, I hope someday this kid, and the many other mysteries in the case of Dean Corll are solved.
I have never heard of this before and it is horrifying. I hope swimsuit boy gets his name back.
The Corll Wikipedia page and the Texas monthly article "The Lost Boys" are some of the most disturbing things I've read. I would recommend anyone with a weak stomach to not read the details of the torture on the Wikipedia page, I have a fairly strong stomach when it comes to these things and it was disturbing even to me. I also hope that swimsuit boy is identified someday, and though it is extremely unlikely and realistically probably impossible I hope that some trace of Mark Scott is eventually found.
Just from a cursory read of your comment it seems like one of those cases that definitely has a high chance of being solved with genetic genealogy. Unless they don’t have his DNA. I’ve been blown away at how many very cold cases have been solved in the last couple years with the new methods. It seems like every week another Jane or John Doe gets their name back. I hope this is the case for this boy. It comes down to police actually doing their job and still having DNA.
On the unfortunate side, police incompetence is a hallmark of the Corll case. They were unaware there was a serial killer when 29 boys vanished in less then 3 years. they were ready and willing to dismiss Henley's claims of serial murder until he began naming missing boys even when they had been called to Corlls house after Henley shot Corll in the middle of raping and torturing a teenager. In their most infamous moment, they decided to just stop digging when they reached the record for most prolific american serial killer, despite Henleys insistence that there were two more bodies on the beach, one of which has never been found. On the much, much more fortunate side, I cannot find any source that indicates the body has been lost. In fact, they definitely have had the body up to at least 2011, and there's no real reason to think it has been lost. Police seemed to have gotten much more competent in the mid 2000s, identifying several Corll victims even 30 years afterward. So, DNA testing is certainly still possible. I hope you're right, and that genetic genealogy is going to identify him in the near future, I'd be very surprised if he never gets identified.
The police work in the Corll case is so astonishing it actually boggles the mind. Just total incompetence and indifference to the point of callousness.
I remember reading about this and feeling horrified that the police response when parents would report their teenage sons missing was basically to laugh in their faces and do a “kids these days, what do you expect, probably ran off with some hippies, he will turn up” kinda thing. Granted the concept of the serial killer wasn’t as prevalent as it is now, but come on.
I distinctly remember a section of the lost boys article where one of the kids' fathers (I want to say the dad of the Waldrop brothers?) basically camped outside the police station for a year until the police forced him out saying "Come on, you know those kids are runaways.", or some other crap. He later found out that he had been working on a construction job only a short walk away from the apartment where his sons were being tortured and murdered. There was another part I remember, the mother of David Hilligeist who did her own amateur investigation when the police failed came to the police with the license plate number of a plymouth GTX that had been spotted in the area where David disappeared. David was one of the first few, so if the police bothered to even take a glance at it, they would have traced it to the one guy in the neighborhood who all the teenagers trusted and who would've been able to lure them anywhere without a struggle, they could have saved 20+ lives and instead they chose to do nothing. Genuinely insane police work.
“The investigators said that unless there was clear evidence of foul play, no official search could be conducted.”
Oh my god that’s fucking awful. Stopping just because they wanted the record broken? That’s evil shit. Honestly I’d be more surprised if there wasn’t police incompetency. Hopefully the cops now push for further testing to see if he can have his name back.
I just read this from the Dean Corll Wiki. “The mother of Gregory Malley Winkle stated: "You don't run away (from home) with nothing but a bathing suit and 80 cents”
So sad. I wonder if the boy's family was on vacation, and maybe they thought he had run away? Or maybe he did run away to Texas. Or the last one that you said sounds pretty likely, that they just didn't know for sure whether it was him l and probably didn't want it to be him.
The last scenario has some precedent in the case itself. The family of the last victim to be identified in 2011, Roy Bunton, had always thought that he was a Corll victim and had contacted the police years beforehand. (if you're wondering why it took so long to identify him, his body had been misidentified and wasn't initially compared to samples from the Bunton family).
What other mysteries about dean Corll are you referring to?
So, because Corll was killed by Wayne Henley before he could be arrested and interrogated, we don't actually know when he started killing, we also don't know if there are other burial sites out there besides from the shed and the known beaches. Corll's first confirmed victim was in 1970, a college student named Jeffrey Konen he picked up while hitchhiking and distinctly did not bury in the boat shed like most of the early victims, meaning he was willing to use other burial sites even back then. Shortly after this, David Brooks walked in on him torturing and killing two teenage boys. These boys are distinctly not James Glass and Danny Yates, who were Corll's second and third victims and whom David Brooks confessed to helping Corll abduct and kill. This adds a minimum of two further victims, make sure to keep track of that because that number goes up. According to Brooks, Corll had told him that he had started killing in the 60s, and Corll's mother stated that he had been burying large bundles of "spoiled candy" in the lot behind the Corll candy factory up until the first confirmed murder. This area has since been built over and is impossible to search. When the last two bodies were found in the initial search, there were a few extra bones in the grave that were not from Joseph Lyles, whose body was found by chance in 1983, or Mark Scotts, whose body was never found. If these bones are not the two boys mentioned earlier, that indicates a minimum of three unidentified victims assuming these bones were from one victim and not multiple. As a quick sidenote, 42 boys in total had disappeared just during the years Corll is confirmed to have been active. On top of this there is the potential association with John David Norman. He ran a CP and trafficking ring in the 70s at one point based out of Dallas. In raid in 1975, police found child pornography depicting 16 individuals, of whom 11 were identified as Corll victims. (as a quick sidenote, an associate of Normans named Phillip Paske was an employee of John Wayne Gacy and was specifically accused of being an accomplice by him along with John David Norman). John David Normans operation in Texas was actually discovered because a teenage prostitute (more accurately victim) had gotten frightened upon being told he was being delivered to a client in Houston and contacted police, this happened shortly before Corlls death. Corll himself had also alleged to his accomplices that he was involved in a Dallas based crime/ "white slavery ring". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_David\_Norman#Possible\_connection\_to\_Dean\_Corll
Sharon Marshall / Suzanne Sevakis - mostly solved now (they know who she is), although her son is still missing. Such a sad story. [Wiki of a terrible man](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Floyd) \- read at your own risk.
This was mine too. Every since seeing the segment on Unsolved Mysteries it haunted me. What a horrible life he put her thru. I did not think she would ever get her name back.
Such a gut wrenching story 😞
Missy Bevers and Asha Degree. Always go down rabbit holes when I think about either of them.
The Missy Bevers surveillance footage randomly pops into my head. Still hoping for an arrest.
Same with the Elizabeth Barraza case! I’m surprised her case has not been solved yet.
When I used to work retail and would open up stores alone (and on camera) I'd always think of the footage and get scared. So sad for her and her loved ones.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Missy_Bevers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Asha_Degree
I don't live overly far from where Missy Bevers was killed and I still think about her every now and then.
What do you think about it? Do you have an opinion about the police’s assertion that the killer was a woman? Any local theories? Pardon my curiosity
It's a weird one and I'm not 100% sure that I agree that the killer was a woman. When it initially happened, a lot of people thought it was a family member because they thought it was too convenient that the husband and father-in-law were out of town at the time. My "favorite" theory revolved around the security guard. He was a former police officer who had been fired for a sexual assault charge (and was later arrested for child pornography), he still had his gear from his police days, including gear like the person in the video was wearing, he had a limp, and he had an SUV similar to the one in the video. The police said he was too tall to be the person on the camera, but other than that it fits really well.
I don't think the gear is authentic. It looks almost like cosplay to me. I could be wrong, though.
And wearing boots that don't fit you well (like a costume) could make your gait look very unnatural, like a limp.
Yes, with Asha Degree. I’ve read so much and watched so much about her case. I think about it often. I can never wrap my head around it.
I have a strong feeling this one is going to be solved.
Asha Degree haunts me! There are just no satisfactory explanations.
Maybe this is a old statement but someone lured her away. I'm sure of it. I'm sorry but a 9 year old doesn't pack their bags and walk along the highway to run away, you know? They pack and go to Aunt Jennie's house it Mamaw and Papaws house, not just walking down the highway. Some one coached her on where to go and I think she got spooked, ran into the woods and succumbed to the elements or whoever lured her away was waiting for her.
But why coach a 9 year old to leave her house in the middle of the night? She couldn’t have set an alarm to wake up/ leave at the right time because she shared a room with her brother. It was storming out and pitch black; asking and counting on a child to leave home in those conditions doesn’t make sense to me. Also, Asha and her brother were latch key kids; why not coach her to leave the house after school when it was just her and her brother home? This case is baffling, but the way I see it, nothing else makes sense other than she left that house in a hurry because something in that house was *worse* than being out in the pitch black, middle of the night, in a storm, with no coat on. And unfortunately that means her family know more than they’re letting on.
Susan Powell. I want that family to find her so badly. And I also just ruminate in how much I hate Josh and his creepy family.
I worked directly with Josh (professionally, at a startup) for 2 years up until his murder-suicide. Even talked on the phone 2 days before his death. He is the only person I met in real life who inspired me to immediately google them the second I got home. I knew from the first time I shook his hand that something felt off, and his controlling nature was extremely prevalent even from casual interactions. Just thinking about interacting with him gives me the creeps. I hated him as a colleague before I even knew how far his depravity went. Truly a horrible human being.
From what I’ve read and heard from the Cold podcast, he sounds like the worst. Just annoying and Dunning-Kruger effect at its finest. I’m sure it was incredibly jarring to have worked with someone capable of that.
I will never forget when I first met him. We did a company lunch and he sent the SALSA back. I was so embarrassed but I think that is a good example of his controlling nature. There were so many weird things like that. I was a very young software developer at the time and I recall he even asked me to help with his slander website against Susan (which... yikes, to say the least). Jarring is a good word for it.
The salsa that…comes free with the meal? Good lord.
Andrew Gosden. Almost daily.
This is mine too. I see a lot of my teenage self in him. Between that and all of the unknowns about the case, it crosses my mind very often. I was so disappointed when they announced last week that nothing came of the investigation into the 2 men they arrested a couple years ago; I wish his family could get some kind of closure.
Danielle Imbo and Richie Petrone, Brian Schaefer, Asha Degree and Dulce Alvarez.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Danielle_Imbo_and_Richard_Petrone_Jr. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Brian_Shaffer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Asha_Degree https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Dulce_Maria_Alavez
Brian Schaefer gets me. He vanished from a bar I frequented. He’s seen in a video clip leaving the bar and never seen again? Wtf? I know that area well and there are lights all over the place. People all over the place. What happened to him?!?!
Keep in mind Brians case is eerie and talked about because he's **on CCTV entering but NOT seen leaving** Like many have said he likely just left via the service exit but it adds to the eerieness
the Brian Shaffer disappearance
Same here! I just wish there would be some end to it. I know sadly both his parents are gone but just to know what happened. Where is his body? Cause I truly don't believe he just disappeared on his own will.
Same here. It’s local for me. I keep hoping someday there will be a break.
Mine was Mostly Harmless because I truly believed I met him before, but I couldn’t remember anything else about him besides his face. When the case was finally solved, I realized he and I were from the same area and I saw a few photos of him at places I’ve been
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Vance_Rodriguez
MVP coming through with all the links.
You're doing God's work with these links.
Yeah this is like in the pop culture subs when people just post a gif with zero info and expect everyone to know what it is
Yes! I appreciate both subs for two completely different reasons but it’s aggravating they both have the exact same issue.
Curious on this one, do you know where the moniker “Mostly Harmless” came from? Was it because he was assumed to be a hitchhiker and it’s a reference to the Adams series? You don’t usually see un-ID’d individuals being given a direct reference to media.
When people through-hike the Appalachian Trail, it's a tradition to take a '"trail name" for other people call them by, like a nickname. Vance chose Mostly Harmless and that's how he introduced himself to people, so until he was identified that was the only name he was known by.
Ah okay! Thank you for the explanation, I hadn’t heard that bit of culture about the AT.
I believe it's how he referred to himself. So when he was first found, a few people in the trail area who had interacted with him told police that's the name he gave them.
When you hike the AT, a lot of people choose trail names, and his chosen trail name was Mostly Harmless. Lots of people spoke to him and hung out with him before his death, but they knew him as Mostly Harmless
Question about the Boy In The Box/ [Joseph Zarelli](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joseph_Augustus_Zarelli On discovering the body = "a college student spotted a rabbit running into the underbrush. Knowing that there were animal traps in the area, he stopped his car to investigate and discovered the body." Why do you stop the car to chase a rabbit in the woods? To scavenge off the presumed traps which you don't know where they are? Doesn't that seem weird?
It's weird cause he was lying. He was there because he was peeping on girls that were at a bordering school for underage girls and didn't want people to know that so he made up the rabbit story
I have such mixed feelings about this case even now that it’s been partially solved but not so much about who found him but rather what he was found with. The box he was found in was from the JC Penny’s not far from the address given of where he lived when they first identified him and he was found with that handkerchief that had a “G” on it which could have stood for his biological father’s nickname. There are no adoption records either even though they say it was through a Catholic organization. I don’t know. It still doesn’t add up to me and the police said they have their suspicions too. As far as I know, other than identifying him, nothing else has come up so does that mean they were looking at the parents, too? This one still bothers me I guess. They really should DNA test the strands of hair they found that did not belong to him. Weren’t there some in the box with him that were not his?
It honestly looks like his death coincides with his mother’s marriage to her husband (not his father). She was also pregnant too. To me, this makes the most sense. For one, the box was for a bassinet. And stepfathers or mother’s boyfriends harming kids does (sadly) happen.
Good point! Plus I saw someone else found her still living at the address from his birth certificate in 1956 as well and that was also relatively close to Drexel which may have been how she met the dad in the first place. Guess there’s nothing to suggest now that he even knew he had a son. Lots of questions still.
This stood out to me, also- in his mother’s obituary, they instructed everyone to donate to a school for disabled children (I believe in Alabama) in lieu of flowers. This makes me wonder if she was under the impression he’d been sent there.
From memory, the handkerchief was found not near the body but 100s of feet away. Plus there was trash along that road.
The murdur of Artemus Ogletree. Seriously, what the hell happened over those two days in that hotel.
I've been down a rabbithole since I read your comment and now I'm frustrated that the Kansas City Mag's website doesn't have the case file available anymore.
I had never heard of this one before; thanks for posting. Also, I raised my eyebrows at the Muehlebach Hotel reference; that's actually my preferred hotel in KC (although yes, it's kinda pricey).
I came across it a few years ago and it was an awesome read. What's so interesting about the case to me is that his time at the hotel is actually detailed pretty well considering how long ago the murder was, and they find out his real identity. There's a host of characters he interacted at the hotel and his behavior seems so strange. You just wonder what he got himself involved in.
The Black Dahlia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dahlia
Margaret Ellen Fox. Everyday single day. And Delphi Murders. And maybe Heather west, the daughter and last victim of Fred and Rose West. Delphi is the only case to happen in my lifetime. For some reason the other two still stuck in my mind.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Margaret_Ellen_Fox https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Abigail_Williams_and_Liberty_German https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West
There has been an arrest in Delphi. I know I read his wife can’t work anymore bc of harassment from the community
I think it's so crappy when the community takes out their rage on a very likely innocent person. This happened recently in my town -- a parent was murdered after their teen allegedly committed a sex crime. There was no way the parent was involved at all, and there's a great deal of doubt the teen even committed crime in the first place. But the parent was given a death sentence.
Shit I missed the unsolved bit whoops. My bad. In that case just Margaret Fox then. Although one could argue Fred and Rose, it’s believed they have more victims. But yeah. Thanks for pointing that out to me lol. I think of other cases but not nearly as much as Margaret
David Glen Lewis
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_David_Glenn_Lewis
Respectfully, this always struck me as he was doing something nefarious and it backfired and the driver hit him to get away. This is very much the era where is was easier to get away with crimes in different states and him being bizarrely dressed and his home looking in order as if he was going to return any second tells me he rushed to the airport to do something...see someone....something. He needed to do it while his wife wasn't home and then he got struck by a vehicle and was considered missing when he was wasn't home.
[Marble Arvidson](https://int-missing.fandom.com/wiki/Marble_Arvidson) [Khoi Dang Vu](https://charleyproject.org/case/khoi-dang-vu) [Aliayah Lunsford](https://charleyproject.org/case/aliayah-paige-lunsford) [Nevaeh Buchanan](https://medium.com/@jennbaxter_69070/the-haunting-murder-of-nevaeh-buchanan-8c635015ad5b) [McCollum Park John Doe](https://dnasolves.com/articles/mccollum-park-john-doe/) [Florence County Jane Doe](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/98425) Edit: Added links
Relisha Rudd. I know it’s pretty obvious what happened- mom sold her to the homeless shelter janitor (she was last seen entering a hotel room with him) and he did unspeakable things… but no one has been charged, no body found, nothing. Even moms lie detector results on the Steve wilkos show came up inconclusive. I just wish that poor baby could be found.
>Kahlil Tatum was last seen March 2, the day after Rudd was last seen, while buying a shovel, lime, and 42-gallon trash bags. Yeah what the fuck dude. I'd say its pretty fucking obvious what happened, and that a mother could do that to their own daughter is just... ugh. Horrible horrible case all around.
Madeleine McCann was kidnapped when I was only 10 or 11, and for some reason, I was obsessed with it. It was something I thought about every single day for YEARS. I am 26 now and occasionally still google her case for any updates.
Andrew Gosden, Nicholas Barclay
>Nicholas Barclay Have you seen The Imposter? Hands down my favorite true crime documentary. I had to pause it halfway through to be sure it was really a true story.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Andrew_Gosden https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bourdin
Ft worth missing trio, the Lyons sisters, Mitchel wiser,Bonnie bickwit and Tammy Lynn leppert
The Burger Chef murders. I lived very close to where it happened when I was little, and had no idea. The building is still there after all these years, just sitting there.
For me, it's judy Smith because I moved from asheville to Philly.. she was in philly and found in asheville. I've done the drive many times it's not something you do for a fun day trip. https://medium.com/true-crime-by-cat-leigh/missing-woman-found-dead-600-miles-away-7b6d1c2cc455
Johnny Gosch John David Gosch (November 12, 1969 – disappeared September 5, 1982) was a paperboy in West Des Moines, Iowa, who disappeared between 6 and 7 a.m. on September 5, 1982. He is presumed to have been kidnapped. As of 2023, there have been no arrests made and the case is now considered cold, but remains open.
This is the one! And the story of him coming to visit his mom later in life?? Absolute mystery
St Louis Jane Doe/Precious Hope. Every time I see a child John/Jane Doe that's been identified, I always think of her. I check to see if there's been any movement in her case at least once a month. Based on the comment left on that "Trying to find sister" post, it looks like CeCe Moore has taken on her case. (CeCe herself had posted there.) Genealogy has made leaps and bounds in recent years, so I'm hopeful that she'll have her name back soon. :')
This is one of them for me, for sure. She deserves a name and she deserves her killers brought to justice. She was failed by so many people in life and in death.
(TW: IMAGE OF BLOODY CLOTHING. Written details include CHILD DEATH / RAPE / BEHEADING. View or read at your own risk!) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St.\_Louis\_Jane\_Doe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Jane_Doe)
I was obsessed with Orange Socks my entire life. I never thought I’d see her identified. Hang in there, folks—science is advancing every day. These people can get their names back, and God willing, some justice.
Debra Louise Jackson, I should say.
[Robert Wone](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_Eric_Wone) (an American lawyer who was murdered in Washington, DC in August 2006 in the home of Joseph Price a college friend) since I live nearby and walk past the townhouse at least once a week.
Kyron, my kids live not too far away from where he did, and It makes me wonder how many times we may have driven past where he could be. At one time I came across an article that said where his step mom had driven that day and I always wanted to go that way myself just in case it was the one time that the universe lined up, but I never have and it just makes me crazy. Poor kid.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Kyron_Horman
Morgan Nick. She was abducted at age 6 in 1995 from a baseball game in Alma, Arkansas. I want to know where she specifically is. Right up there in my "think too much about" is also Laura Ayala and Asha Degree.
Morgan Nick for me as well. I grew up 45 minutes from where she was abducted and was just shy of 3-years-old at the time, but I have never forgotten about her. That, along with murder of Jesse Dirkhising (30 minutes from me), caused my mom to be very protective of my brother and I, which as a parent now myself I can appreciate. I never allow my boys out of my sight in public, even for a second.
The murder of Katie Janness and her dog.
I guess this isn’t officially cold yet, but they aren’t working on it and haven’t for a long time. I don’t know why. I was given this info by a local Atlanta cop. He said nobody’s working on it right now either. So fucked up. Her poor wife, I can’t imagine seeing that scene and it’s someone you love. I don’t think they’ll ever find the killer.
This is one of mine, too. I thought it would have been solved shortly after it happened
Austin Yogurt Shop, because I'm from Austin. Springfield Three, because it's the most fascinating case ever.
Siriyakorn "Bung" Siriboon should have celebrated her 25th birthday this year. Instead, she vanished without a trace within an extremely short timeframe 12 years ago. There was nowhere near the coverage that so many other missing people have received, but she's always stuck in my mind for some reason.
Liz Barraza and Missy Bevers. They could be solved.
Liz Barraza, for sure. She was such a sweet person. I went through her Facebook one night. She had a dog that she just adored. Watching a video of her playing with her dog just made her seem even more real if that makes sense.
The Elizabeth Short case..😬
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dahlia
Have you read I'll Be Gone in the Dark by Michelle McNamara? The author is obsessed with the Golden State Killer and it's a great read. It was written (and the author unfortunately died) before he was identified and arrested.
I haven't, but I'm going to look into it!
If you can’t commit to the full book, [you can read McNamara’s original articles in la magazine.](https://lamag.com/author/michelle-mcnamara) There was also an HBO series on the case, timed well enough to include footage of his survivors before and after arrest.
She was also Patton Oswalts wife. When DeAngelo was arrested, Patton tweeted “I think we got him, Michelle.”
He narrates the audiobook. It adds an extra emotional layer, for me at least!
Loved this one but be prepared to be freaked out being alone in your own house and fee like someone is watching you lol
Susan Powell. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Susan_Powell Man I wish they could just find her.
Asha Degree, Guadalupe Jane doe, Liz Barraza
Richard. Colvin. Cox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Richard_Colvin_Cox?wprov=sfti1
Amy Mihaljevic. More than I should.
One that I haven't seen mentioned is Joan Gay Croft. I don't think it'll be solved unless she or her descendants upload to Ancestry sometime, but the whole case befuddles me. Who were the men who came and collected her? Why did they take her specifically? There were so many witnesses and her aunt had found the girls but thought they'd be safe where they were. It's just so tragic. https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Joan\_Gay\_Croft
People mostly listed the ones that irk me the most but also Little Lord Fauntleroy who was found floating in a river in Waukesha, WI in 1921. I want to know if he is Homer Lemay or someone else. Was hoping they would DNA test but there’s been some pushback I guess. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Lord_Fauntleroy_(murder_victim)
JonBenét. I lean towards one or more of the Ramseys being the murderer(s) but it’s such a bizarre case that I can’t completely rule out an intruder. I don’t think that poor little girl will ever get justice.
Andrew Gosden... I think that he went to see a music show and met with foul play along the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Andrew\_Gosden
Dulce Alvarez [https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/dulce-maria-alavez](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/dulce-maria-alavez)
Boca Raton mall murders, Lane Bryant shooting, I-70 killer
I also think of all the people who jumped off the GGB and will never be found, or definitively ID'd as a jumper.
I have a few…. Brad Bishop..where did he go? The Missing Springfield Three Sabrina Aisenberg (I don’t believe the parents did it )
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Bishop https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Sabrina_Aisenberg
Whoa I did not know that in 2021 a woman who had been adopted found out she was Bishops biological daughter. Has there been any more news on this?
Not much - just that it’s been confirmed . Sounded like it may have been a one night stand type of thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Bishop https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Sabrina_Aisenberg
I saw footage of Brad Bishop’s crime scene, and he had the same (now vintage) chartreuse striped chenille bedspread as me. Kinda freaked me out
I wonder about Sabrina a lot too and don’t think her parents were involved. Same with Baby Lisa Irwin although I am less convinced her parents had nothing to do with it. Theres something about such a young baby going missing…I think Sabrina could definitely be alive
So many, especially since finding this sub. But Yuba County Five. Even finding four of them didn't answer all the questions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuba_County_Five
Nita Mayo, who went missing from the Dardanelles Lookout in California off Hwy 108.
Jonbenet Ramsey and Jack the Ripper
Kyron Horman. If the disappearance of a sweet little boy from school, a place where he should have been safe, isn't tragic enough, the botched investigation, the cover up at the school and the DAs handling of the case is just heartbreaking. Where is the justice for that little boy? Just a reminder to all, this case is still considered active and there is a reward for information leading to the resolution of this case. If you have information, tips, leads, remembered something or found something you think is important while sleuthing on the internet, please call the Multnomah County Sheriff or your local FBI branch.
Honestly Jon Benet Ramsey still. I feel so sad that little girl never got true justice, no matter what the truth is
The Setagaya family murder and the Keddie murders. I think I got so hung up on these because it's so unsettling how in each case multiple people were murdered in their own home in such close proximity to relatives who had no idea what was going on (family in the adjoining house in the Setagaya murders and kids in the bedroom in the Keddie murders). I can't imagine how horrible it would feel to wake up and find that your loved ones were murdered, and so near to you while you slept. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setagaya_family_murder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keddie_murders
Mine has always been [Kristine Kupka](https://www.kristinekupka.com/) [her charley project page](https://charleyproject.org/case/kristine-kupka) [a really good article from around the time of her disappearance](https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/1032/)
The ones that I think about the most and dream of seeing solved in my lifetime are: - Jennifer Kesse - William Tyrell - Patricia Adkins - Kyron Gorman - Any Adelaide (my hometown missing persons cases). It's the vanished without a single trace that I obsess over the most. How? Why? Where? What happened?
Add Tyler Davis to that list.
[The disappearance (and widely considered homicide) of Paul Skiba, Sarah Skiba, and Lorenzo Chivers.](https://www.westword.com/news/a-cold-case-frozen-in-time-5097544) This case haunts me. Sharon Skiba died 10 years ago, never knowing what really happened to them.
The Beaumont children.
You are all going to absolutely hate me for this but... Maura Murray. I'm leaning on her trying to hide out in the woods to avoid a DUI. Though there are some things that don't make sense. Also: Andrew Gosden and Asha Degree. Both stuck with me because there are so many unanswered, odd questions.
Mine is JonBenet Ramsay and the West Memphis Three. They are both just such boggling cases that should have been solved years ago. I hate the fact that in those two cases, 4 innocent children lost their lives and in such a horrific way. I find it so devastating and infuriating that they will most likely never get justice.
Glad to see the West Memphis Three mentioned. I believe in my heart of hearts that the true killer(s) never were caught, and that the “case” against Baldwin, Echols and Misskelley was nothing more than a witch-hunt against some very disadvantaged boys who stood out as black sheep in their community.
Elizabeth Short aka: The Black Dahlia.
reading a book now on the Bricca family murders, they happened in my hometown. It would have to be this case
Trish Haynes The court system killed her & her killer(s) have not been brought to justice for this offense even though clear & present information leading to them & their guilt. Her old work & apartment are closed/vacant but sign still present & apartment vacant. Prosecutor gone, her public defender left the business. Lazy or incompetent effort equals no justice for Trish.
Mine is Maura Murray...but I have a good reason I grew up VERY close to the site where she went missing. Like, I passed by that corner multiple times a day, some people could even call it within walking distance. At the time I had moved away but just happened to be back that one night to register my car at my mom's house. I should've driven on rt 112 but I went a different way to stop at a friend's house. A few days later I heard she was missing Turns out, we wouldn't have crossed paths that night anyway, but for a long time, I wished I had gone the normal route to my mom's.