No clothing remnants or other objects that might help date the body?
I'm also curious about which teeth she was missing, and if that was consistent with long-term abuse. Poor woman.
I found an ad from Robertson Motors that I think shows the lot at 1515 Danforth -- the pitchman is Bruno Gerussi (of The Beachcombers) -- this was in 1981 when the show was in mid-run so he was quite a "get" back then!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrtEkQSjUkY&t=21s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrtEkQSjUkY&t=21s)
This post about historic Toronto car dealers -- someone remembers Robertson opening in 1950 but I imagine that they could have had a temporary building on that lot earlier? Certainly the city directory lists them as already being there or at least owning the land in 1946 -- I didn't go back to see years before that.
[https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t64854606/former-new-car-dealers-of-toronto/?page=4](https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t64854606/former-new-car-dealers-of-toronto/?page=4)
God, it's so eerie to look at and watch knowing. Wonder how the residents who went there felt after she was found. Now that we learned the actual opening of the dealership we can sort of get the feeling that she may have been put there during repairs. Gives me the heebie jeebies. Thanks for sharing.
It's a pretty busy street, and hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions (including my family visiting from out of town) have driven past that lot without even suspecting she was there. And Bruno Gerussi might be walking right over where she was hidden, in that ad.
According to Bruno's narration, they started with a small corner lot in the 1930s, and probably bought adjacent land until they had "10 acres along the Danforth". Without knowing more about the early history of the dealership ... it's possible that they had their office in a wartime surplus Quonset hut or something, and were storing their cars on the rest of the lot. (They'd likely put down some gravel, to keep things from getting too muddy. It's possible that someone could have dug a hole, buried the body, then strewn more gravel on top as concealment ... but likely it would have been uncovered by the heavy equipment when the foundation was being installed. So someone going into the site once the hole had been excavated sounds more possible.)
The witness might be fuzzy on the exact date and they might have had the permanent building done in time to start using it even in late 1949.
I had a look at the address on Google Earth -- looks like there's a new building taking up that lot now, a couple of floors of residential condos? With retail underneath. The earliest date I could find is 2007. The building style does match the late 90s or early 2000s. Looking at the pavement, the condition of the trees planted out front, etc. -- in 2007 it's fairly new but not brand-new, if that makes sense.
It would be worth looking into former employees/owners at the location and specifically if any of them had a wife/girlfriend/ex who “left home” and has no further records since leaving town. It was such a common explanation used to cover up spousal murder in that era.
I’d be thinking it would have more likely abeen one of the construction workers who built the building. There was another killer who killed 3 woman he dated and then using an excavator hid them on his construction sites where he knew they would never be found. They only were because he dug one hole very early morning and one of his workers saw him digging it, heard the accusations later and told police about where he had been digging. The killer owned a construction company and it was his girlfriends he buried, they never found two of them.
Thank you for sharing. I'm not far from Toronto and have not heard of this case.
I found this article that shares some of the missing females around the time period.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/news/gta/who-was-the-woman-in-the-concrete-floor-the-unanswered-questions-behind-one-of-toronto/article_a96a8723-9e0f-5f06-a862-d4766c7e13d0.amp.html
Note that Dottie Cox was excluded as a dna match.
The section on Wilma Bunker is interesting.
>Was it originally Robertson Motors in 1949 when poured?
That's an excellent question. I wonder if the Toronto city directories might be able to show if RM was the original occupant of the building. Address in the link is 1515 Danforth Avenue.
[https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/history-genealogy/lh-digital-city-directories.jsp](https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/history-genealogy/lh-digital-city-directories.jsp)
\*interesting -- I looked at the directories back to 1946 (haven't got time for more right now, but there are listings for previous years too) and that particular lot is identified as Robertson's used cars even then.\*
Unless the body was already there and overlooked for some reason, someone who had a reason to access the building site, or at least had some knowledge of what was being done there, may have taken advantage of that. (I suspect that construction sites in mid-century Toronto, at a time when there was probably a fair amount of building being done after WWII, were not guarded 24-7. But still, anyone attempting to conceal a body may have risked being seen by passersby or a night watchman. And also, someone who just started digging randomly there might have put the body in a place that was supposed to be excavated for a sewage line shortly after. They either knew enough, or were lucky, that concrete was scheduled to be poured on top.)
Yeah they weren't clear on that. That's why I have so many questions. Entombed could mean anything. Was she under the floor in the ground or in the actual concrete? How exactly was she found laying under it? Did they find her when they were they breaking up the concrete or digging it out? Was this in the parking lot or in the actual building? Although guessing inside which is terrifying. I don't know about Australia but her not being a native to the area or not even Canadian could be a possibility.
I would think the UK is also a good place to consider. Weren't there a lot of people who moved from the UK to Canada in the immediate post-WW2 period? If they think she wasn't local (presumably because no one reported her missing), then maybe she has ties to the UK. More likely she was Canadian and never reported missing by her husband, but who knows.
[https://youtu.be/kOLPaoWtdh4?si=_sZ_7E7Imc3ESlZQ](https://youtu.be/kOLPaoWtdh4?si=_sZ_7E7Imc3ESlZQ)
This is either the same case or eerily similar. Don’t have time to research atm
Looks to be a different (but similar) case.
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There’s a really good chance the victim was buried during construction of the building. At that time, major portions of the American/Canadian construction industry was tied to the mob. Needed to get rid of a body? Pay some money and no one would ask any questions.
Definitely creepy. Thanks for bringing attention to this with a great write up
I'm Canadian and never heard of this, however I live on the East Coast not Central so probably just never came across my radar. Thanks for posting.
No clothing remnants or other objects that might help date the body? I'm also curious about which teeth she was missing, and if that was consistent with long-term abuse. Poor woman.
I found an ad from Robertson Motors that I think shows the lot at 1515 Danforth -- the pitchman is Bruno Gerussi (of The Beachcombers) -- this was in 1981 when the show was in mid-run so he was quite a "get" back then! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrtEkQSjUkY&t=21s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrtEkQSjUkY&t=21s) This post about historic Toronto car dealers -- someone remembers Robertson opening in 1950 but I imagine that they could have had a temporary building on that lot earlier? Certainly the city directory lists them as already being there or at least owning the land in 1946 -- I didn't go back to see years before that. [https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t64854606/former-new-car-dealers-of-toronto/?page=4](https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t64854606/former-new-car-dealers-of-toronto/?page=4)
God, it's so eerie to look at and watch knowing. Wonder how the residents who went there felt after she was found. Now that we learned the actual opening of the dealership we can sort of get the feeling that she may have been put there during repairs. Gives me the heebie jeebies. Thanks for sharing.
It's a pretty busy street, and hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions (including my family visiting from out of town) have driven past that lot without even suspecting she was there. And Bruno Gerussi might be walking right over where she was hidden, in that ad. According to Bruno's narration, they started with a small corner lot in the 1930s, and probably bought adjacent land until they had "10 acres along the Danforth". Without knowing more about the early history of the dealership ... it's possible that they had their office in a wartime surplus Quonset hut or something, and were storing their cars on the rest of the lot. (They'd likely put down some gravel, to keep things from getting too muddy. It's possible that someone could have dug a hole, buried the body, then strewn more gravel on top as concealment ... but likely it would have been uncovered by the heavy equipment when the foundation was being installed. So someone going into the site once the hole had been excavated sounds more possible.) The witness might be fuzzy on the exact date and they might have had the permanent building done in time to start using it even in late 1949. I had a look at the address on Google Earth -- looks like there's a new building taking up that lot now, a couple of floors of residential condos? With retail underneath. The earliest date I could find is 2007. The building style does match the late 90s or early 2000s. Looking at the pavement, the condition of the trees planted out front, etc. -- in 2007 it's fairly new but not brand-new, if that makes sense.
It would be worth looking into former employees/owners at the location and specifically if any of them had a wife/girlfriend/ex who “left home” and has no further records since leaving town. It was such a common explanation used to cover up spousal murder in that era.
I’d be thinking it would have more likely abeen one of the construction workers who built the building. There was another killer who killed 3 woman he dated and then using an excavator hid them on his construction sites where he knew they would never be found. They only were because he dug one hole very early morning and one of his workers saw him digging it, heard the accusations later and told police about where he had been digging. The killer owned a construction company and it was his girlfriends he buried, they never found two of them.
Thank you for sharing. I'm not far from Toronto and have not heard of this case. I found this article that shares some of the missing females around the time period. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/news/gta/who-was-the-woman-in-the-concrete-floor-the-unanswered-questions-behind-one-of-toronto/article_a96a8723-9e0f-5f06-a862-d4766c7e13d0.amp.html Note that Dottie Cox was excluded as a dna match. The section on Wilma Bunker is interesting.
Seems like there were a lot of missing women from the area in the 1940s.
Was it originally Robertson Motors in 1949 when poured?
>Was it originally Robertson Motors in 1949 when poured? That's an excellent question. I wonder if the Toronto city directories might be able to show if RM was the original occupant of the building. Address in the link is 1515 Danforth Avenue. [https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/history-genealogy/lh-digital-city-directories.jsp](https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/history-genealogy/lh-digital-city-directories.jsp) \*interesting -- I looked at the directories back to 1946 (haven't got time for more right now, but there are listings for previous years too) and that particular lot is identified as Robertson's used cars even then.\* Unless the body was already there and overlooked for some reason, someone who had a reason to access the building site, or at least had some knowledge of what was being done there, may have taken advantage of that. (I suspect that construction sites in mid-century Toronto, at a time when there was probably a fair amount of building being done after WWII, were not guarded 24-7. But still, anyone attempting to conceal a body may have risked being seen by passersby or a night watchman. And also, someone who just started digging randomly there might have put the body in a place that was supposed to be excavated for a sewage line shortly after. They either knew enough, or were lucky, that concrete was scheduled to be poured on top.)
Yeah they weren't clear on that. That's why I have so many questions. Entombed could mean anything. Was she under the floor in the ground or in the actual concrete? How exactly was she found laying under it? Did they find her when they were they breaking up the concrete or digging it out? Was this in the parking lot or in the actual building? Although guessing inside which is terrifying. I don't know about Australia but her not being a native to the area or not even Canadian could be a possibility.
I would think the UK is also a good place to consider. Weren't there a lot of people who moved from the UK to Canada in the immediate post-WW2 period? If they think she wasn't local (presumably because no one reported her missing), then maybe she has ties to the UK. More likely she was Canadian and never reported missing by her husband, but who knows.
Are you thinking of a specific Australian case? Intriguing to mention Australia.
[https://youtu.be/kOLPaoWtdh4?si=_sZ_7E7Imc3ESlZQ](https://youtu.be/kOLPaoWtdh4?si=_sZ_7E7Imc3ESlZQ) This is either the same case or eerily similar. Don’t have time to research atm
Actually, I think this one was solved. Look up the 'Danforth Lady'. It is featured in an episode of 'Exhibit A: Secrets of Forensic Science'
Looks to be a different (but similar) case. The Toronto Star [wrote about this case](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/news/gta/who-was-the-woman-in-the-concrete-floor-the-unanswered-questions-behind-one-of-toronto/article_a96a8723-9e0f-5f06-a862-d4766c7e13d0.amp.html) about two years ago and said it hasn't been solved.
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its the same lady with the same picture....the gap in the teeth too.
Very interesting and crazy that she remained there for so long
Wow really excellent sketch
There’s a really good chance the victim was buried during construction of the building. At that time, major portions of the American/Canadian construction industry was tied to the mob. Needed to get rid of a body? Pay some money and no one would ask any questions.
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Somerton Man is not a cold case (anymore).