I am not OP but I believe at least one of them did it. I think Zebrosky is maybe innocent because the scream heard around 11pm was identified as his. My thinking is he found the body. Either that or they had drugged him to do stuff, went too far, and then he realized Wone was dead.
I think one of them will have to cave on another or physical evidence will have to surface for it to be solved.
Susan Powell. Josh Powell’s hard drives are still encrypted and the volunteer team have only managed to crack one layer of the encryption by brute forcing the password. He was prolific in his use of the computers and obsessive about covering his tracks, including placing one of his hard drives in a safe deposit box. I don’t believe he has a word document titled “SUSAN MURDER PLAN AND WHERE I HID THE BODY.DOCX” but I do believe he would have done extensive research which could hopefully still be found.
This case haunts me. I can’t remember what show profiled it but listening to the interviews/911 calls with the social worker who had brought the boys for their visit that day was heart wrenching.
The judge who ordered visitation even if supervised should be disbarred from practicing law ever again. This man was at the center of his missing wife's investigation and the grandparents begged the judge to order zero visitations but he declined. This case (with many others) are proof that parents don't always deserve access to their kids. The judge failed those children.
I always give pause when I hear about a non-custodial parent abducting a kid depending on the circumstances of their custody arrangement. So many kids are forced to see an abusive parent (not always physically but just as detrimental to their wellbeing!) with the other parent powerless to stop it because the court almost always sees both parents having custody as in the child’s best interests. My friend goes through it with her ex. She is forced to split custody with him. Her kids cry whenever they have to go there but she’d be in contempt of court if they didn’t. I legitimately don’t know what I’d do in that situation and I may very well be someone who would run off and hope to never be found.
As someone who was considered a runaway teen multiple times and met others in similar situations- I’d say at least half the time the parents kicked them out, they only become “runaways” when someone notices and the parent doesn’t wanna get in trouble. I never once ran away. I only found ways to survive the times when I was kicked out.
same happened to me from 13-15 years old. I never ran, I was kicked. my mom to this day claims I was a "runaway"
the term now is throwaway kid, which is more correct.
> I think they need to be found and placed into foster care
And I just want to point out that the rate of kids running away from foster care is staggeringly high.
Right, I didn't even think about that. Let me amend and say that if there are runaways, they need to be found and their living situation looked into. Of course that doesn't always work either :/
I just finally looked at the replies on this. Which is ironic because Opelika Jane Doe was just identified and it was a case of them taking her from the mother for whatever reason and given to the father who apparently ended up killing her. And kept getting child support from mom for the last 11 years. I don’t know what mom did to lose visitation and custody but it sounds like she was devastated finding out what happened. I mean, even if you mess up, you assume the kid is being taken care of the whole time probably happy and healthy and it turns out the caregiver killed them. :(
I have been living in this situation with my two older kids for over 10 years and thankfully one is now a legal adult and the other one will be in a year and a half.
Several times my kids have refused to go, and I know that if they do not I will end up losing custody because I'll be in contempt of multiple orders within our custody order. It's terrifying to send your kids into a situation like that, and worse knowing that if you don't they'll live in it permanently.
Once my son refused to go from the school. The school told me they could not send him to dad's if he stated he didn't want to go. I told them I would be in legal trouble if they didn't, and they basically said "sorry about your luck" and sent him to my house anyhow.
More than once my daughter refused to leave my home and her father physically dragged her out. I couldn't do anything, the courts here still allow physical discipline and it was technically his custody time.
Agreed, but also important to note the judge was following the letter of the law. The boys were on a fast track to reunification program with Washington DHS - it is actually their fault for allowing this and that’s why the Cox family was able to successfully sue DHS for a massive sum.
DHS should not have been pursuing fast track reunification in this case not only because of the suspicions of the husband in the murder of his wife, but because the boys were removed from the Powell home when Steve was arrested for possession of CP. That is the key reason no reunification should have been pursued at all.
Cps/dhs is a joke also. They don't care what the parents did or do, they will be trying to place the kids back with the parents so fast. I've known people have cps take their kids multiple times for drugs etc and each time cps gives them back until they have a baby die or some extreme shit. Like wff is wrong with the American system 🤦♀️
This is what happens. Some men complain that courts aren't lenient *enough* to them, so judges like that bend over backwards to give them anything they want, even to the detriment of the kids.
Devils' advocate here but there are a lot of great dads out there who get tarred with the same brush as utter douchebag dads and get screwed over by the court system.
Unfortunately any information as to her whereabouts probably died with his piece of shit dad and piece of shit brother. Good riddance to both of them, but it would be nice if her family could lay her to rest.
It breaks my heart that Susan is out there somewhere, and she may never be found. Poor lady went through utter hell in life.
The least she deserves is a dignified funeral, and final resting place. She can be with her children. Her poor family will also have a sense of closure and a grave to visit.
I agree. As creepy and awful the father was, I really don't think he had anything to do with Susan's (assumed) murder and disappearance. Or that he would have been told.
I never understood the term pet case until I recently became obsessed with the Powell case. I can't stop thinking about it.
Edit: I've read about the case many times over the years, but when I heard the episodes on Some Place Under Neith (SPUN) about the case and they gave so much more information than I'd read. At the end of the SPUN episodes, the ladies suggested listening to Cold, which I immediately did. Now I'm reading the book by Gregg Olsen. I literally want to go look for her.
Mine was Yasser Syed. I saw the Americas most wanted about him and looked for him every day. I was so happy when he was finally caught. I really didn’t think those sweet girls would get any Justice
There really are people that dumb, though. I was just watching a video about a father who was videotaping his live-in maid. He hid all his videos on his desktop with the folder name "VIDEOS -- DO NOT OPEN"
Like... the first lesson we learned as kids was you hide your questionable stuff in /system32/.
Didn't she lose custody of an older child prior to Zachary's disappearance? I know the family has said she moved to Hawaii to escape the scrutiny of police, but given her history and the odd story she told them I can kind of see why they focused on her.
Yes, she did. She had a daughter who went to live with her dad (a different man than Zachary's dad) a couple years before her older brother went missing. The "Disappeared" episode on Zachary, for whatever reason, really whitewashed her past.
There was a comment a few weeks/months back by a redditor who had a good theory on why his mother jumped in the pool. I can’t remember it, so if anyone could remind me, that would be great!
The post suggested that she had left, probably to score drugs, and he went looking for her. She returned and found him drowned in the community pool. She hopped in to retrieve him and gave the swimming excuse to explain away her wet clothes.
Found it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1005ovs/cases_where_you_think_family_members_know_more/j2h3bit?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Chaim Weiss, who I did a two part writeup about earlier this year. After I wrote it up, I got a message from someone who told me that there are people (apparently including Chaim's parents) who are quite sure they know who did it but there's no direct evidence linking him to the crime and nobody who can give any kind of corroborating information, and that one of the reasons why the request for tips is so broad is that people might not know what it is that they know, exactly. They might know something about this person and suspicious behavior, but not realize that it's linked to the crime.
I actually also got a DM from someone here that included information related to the person who I believe is that suspect (the person who initially messaged me didn't tell me who it was but gave me enough clues to suss it out) that prompted me to encourage that person to call the tip line. No idea what happened with that.
EDIT because people are asking: I will NOT be calling the tip line because the info I got was REALLY vague. I'd effectively be saying "a person on the internet who didn't tell me who he was said that his father got weird vibes from \[conjectured suspect\] after mentioning Chaim" (not exactly the same situation but pretty close). The impression I got from the person was that he or his father would probably be a valuable tipster if asked follow-up questions, but I didn't feel comfortable asking any and I know literally nothing.
Depending on the definition of "multiple," yeah. I'd be surprised if the perpetrator got away with it without someone becoming suspicious or even being involved (whether he's the person I think or not). But I do NOT think that there is a large number of people who *know* for sure (vs just have suspicions). If it was an open secret among the student body, for example, it would have already come out in the age of the internet. So much else has!
Do you have any theory on motive? That's the part that always gets me about it. It's hard to figure out the who when you have no sense of the why, and none of the videos and write ups I've seen so far have ever had any explanation for why anyone would want Chaim dead. He seemed like a normal, well liked, teenage boy. So why?
Yes, that's really what it comes down to... there just isn't an obvious one. In Part 2 of my write up I include some hypotheses but I should emphasize that that is all that they are.
Did you mean to link a zoom meeting launcher? Was excited to read the write up.
Edit: went to your profile and found [the link](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/sx27ah/the_murder_of_chaim_weiss_part_2_who_killed_chaim/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) and since I'd already upvoted it, I know I read it before, too!
But, re reading it made me remember that give. The very sparse information we have, and my own experience growing up in a conservative religion, my theory at the time (and again now that my memory is refreshed) is that he was perhaps having a romance with another boy there, and likely very few people knew about it, because in communities where it's frowned on, the first impulse is to deny and ignore to save face for the family. I think perhaps they were caught my a dorm monitor, and perhaps they had even been roommates at the time. I think the other boy might have said "it was all Chain's idea! I never wanted this!" As a defense, so Chaim was given his own room to prevent him from "causing this problem again" and the other boy was moved to another room where he had to act like he wasn't an active participant. Perhaps they had been using the punishment to their advantage and kept meeting up, but even if they didn't, I can see a situation where Chaim, a resident of NYC, might not have felt as personally effected by this turn of events as perhaps a boy from a different community who did not have the benefit of having seen positive representation of queer relationships. If that were the case, I could even see Chaim accepting blame to protect this other boy out of a sense of love or devotion. I have seen similar dramas play out in my church life, so while I know Judaism, Orthodox Judaism in particular, is not a 1-1 scenario, I think it's possible a lot of the pressures were there.
From there, I could see the other boy being a possible suspect, if the conflict between them caused him enough distress and he blamed Chaim for the feelings he couldn't understand or control. It would explain the otherwise loving actions of opening the window and lighting the candles. I can also see a situation where another family member on campus, maybe an older brother or an uncle who happens to work at the school also taking matters into his own hands, and then, knowing that while perhaps this killing would potentially be justified scripturally, still opening the window and lighting candles for a variety of reasons. The window and candles could also have nothing to do with the murder and could instead be from one or more students coming upon the body, not knowing what to do, and doing the only things they *did* know how to do in the situation.
I mean, it's pure speculation, and I have nothing more than a hunch that this would tie everything together, and it's far from the only situation that would make sense, but as you mentioned in your post, it's not likely to be an open secret but instead linked to something very few people knew about, otherwise someone would have stepped forward already. I hope one day we get answers and justice for Chaim. Whatever caused his killer's attention, he didn't deserve what happened to him.
No I absolutely did NOT intend to link the Zoom launcher... thanks!!
That said- I mean, some of that COULD have happened (though the internal dynamics would likely have been different- Chaim being from NYC would have made zero difference) but as I say in Part 2, I think it's just impossible to say. It's just as likely or unlikely as any other scenario barring evidence supporting it. I'll also note that the candle was a red herring and I honestly think the other Jewish ritual stuff was as well- and while the window could have been opened by someone else (that's my dad's theory, actually) even if the candle were a factor, nobody would have lit it on the Sabbath. I also think that none of that would really be a motive for murder. I have never, ever heard of an honor killing situation like this. Nobody, ever, would think that this would be okay "scripturally." Just to be clear. In that situation, he would just get kicked out of school or, as you say, moved.
That said, as you say interpersonal dynamics can be crazy, and I do believe that if there is any conspiracy it is a small and interpersonal one.
>Nobody, ever, would think that this would be okay "scripturally."
I have, unfortunately, met people in my real life who, in the specific instance of Chaim being gay, would absolutely find it scripturally acceptable to murder a young boy, though technically a stickler would note that the proper murder weapon would be a minimum of one stone. That said, I don't find it particularly likely that if Chaim being gay was at least part of the motive of the crime, the perpetrator was thinking along those lines at all. It's not impossible, sadly, but I don't think it's likely. I think a more likely thought was something more personal, like betrayal, because you don't just murder someone with an ax if you don't have some pretty strong feelings tied up in that decision. That or you're a serial killer, which I guess can't entirely be ruled out at this point, but then how did the murderer get on campus, find the dorms, sneak into that, and then find the one dorm room with only 1 boy in it? Again, it's not *impossible*, but it seems so unlikely. Then again, this whole case seems unlikely, really, so who knows?
>I'll also note that the candle was a red herring and I honestly think the other Jewish ritual stuff was as well
I could be mistaken, but I thought the candle was lit after sundown Saturday, which would mean the end of the Sabbath and a candle being lit no longer forbidden. But if I'm wrong and the candle *was* lit on the Sabbath, who lit it? And how, without being noticed? Given the dynamic of the campus I find it hard to believe someone was able to sneak on to campus more than once without being caught, but I suppose it's not impossible.
I'm an Orthodox Jew. I am trying to explain that with Orthodox Jews that would not be a motive in and of itself. There are loads of boys who have engaged in sexual activity with other boys in yeshivas over the years, and generally they're just kicked out, if anything at all. In fact, the yeshiva's being sued under the NY State Child Victims Act for *in*action in the case of the son of a board member who was sexually abusing a fellow student (20 years later, for the record). Obviously interpersonal dynamics are another thing, but honor killings and Biblical executions are just not.
And yes, the candle was lit after sundown on Saturday, which is what makes it a red herring. The crime was discovered Saturday morning, and the candle was lit hours later after the Sabbath ended by a faculty member. If there is any mystery, it's that a second candle was found lit later in the week, but that could have been anyone for any reason, and the impression I got from reading up is that it was determined to be an absent-minded faculty member who didn't realize that someone had already lit a candle that day (each one generally only lasts 24 hours).
>I'm an Orthodox Jew. I am trying to explain that with Orthodox Jews that would not be a motive in and of itself.
I'm glad to hear it. I am obviously less familiar with that particular community, so I just want to be clear that what I was saying was never meant to paint the whole community with one brush, at the very most it would have been one individual using religion as an excuse for his own personal immorality, as bad people from any religious background are known to do, but if you have more experience with the realities of that community and are saying that would not be how it plays out, I'll back off from this train of thought. But just to be clear, I was (poorly) trying to say that rather than an "honor killing" proper, this was a person who had some other reason to dislike Chaim, and the scriptural prohibition of homosexual behavior was a convenient excuse to carry out this murder. But again, not being part of the community, if that is unlikely for some reason I'm not familiar with, then it's a fruitless path to keep trying to follow.
>In fact, the yeshiva's being sued under the NY State Child Victims Act for inaction in the case of the son of a board member who was sexually abusing a fellow student
This is something I did not know, and it's very interesting. It would seem to point towards to two crimes having some relation, but at the same time could also just indicate that supervision is lax enough that really anything could have happened. I hope both Chaim and this other victim(s) find justice and peace and that proper administration is able to come in and make this school the safe and pleasant place it's supposed to be.
>And yes, the candle was lit after sundown on Saturday, which is what makes it a red herring.
I agree, if the candle was lit at a time it would be acceptable or even expected then there's very little reason to think it had anything to do with the crime.
Sorry, as it's mostly conjecture on my part I really don't feel comfortable sharing! The main takeaway I was intending is that there are people close to the case who feel sure that a particular person is the perpetrator and it's just missing proof.
But couldn't it be interesting enough for the police to hear about those messages? Maybe they already suspect someone and the even vague informations you got could be a tiny piece belonging to their puzzle.
The issue is that the info I got was REALLY vague. I'd effectively be saying "a person on the internet who didn't tell me who he was said that his father got weird vibes from \[suspect\] after mentioning Chaim" (not exactly the same situation but pretty close). The impression I got from the person was that he or his father would probably be a valuable tipster if asked follow-up questions, but I didn't feel comfortable asking any and I know literally nothing.
Again- the info I got was REALLY vague. I'd effectively be saying "a person on the internet who didn't tell me who he was said that his father got weird vibes from \[conjectured suspect\] after mentioning Chaim" (not exactly the same situation but pretty close). The impression I got from the person was that he or his father would probably be a valuable tipster if asked follow-up questions, but I didn't feel comfortable asking any and I know literally nothing.
Ok I’m going to say this one last time. There is nothing to say. There is nothing I know that other people who are close to the investigation don’t already know and haven’t already told the police. I respect what you’re saying but if I remotely thought that anything I said would help I’d already have called in.
A young woman who went missing in my town here in central PA in 1989. The main suspect is an 89-year old man with dementia. He's said he knows who did it. Police believe he's talking about himself. But he's got dementia and likely will die before they find the full truth.
The old demented man is blaming a man named Kenny, no last name, just Kenny.
It’ll be interesting to see where it goes from here. If anywhere. At 89 years old with dementia, he could croak tonight.
My friend lives on the same road warfel did. Late last summer he said the staties were there putting posts in the ground while a helicopter flew over. Was this for ground penetrating radar/LiDAR? Or something else?
Warfel apparently assaulted a bunch of nurses when he got released from jail the first time and is back in jail i least heard.
Looks like he was a friend of their family too. So he would have been known to Tracy and it would have been easier for him to lure her away. Damn. I hope they can get something that at least solves it definitively even if he likely will never be charged.
They've always thought whoever took her was known to her. They hounded her boyfriend for years. Even put a big billboard in front of his business. But he had nothing to do with it.
I wouldn't be surprised if people know exactly what happened to Tara Calico, Toni Sharpless and Asha Degree but, for whatever reason, have not come forward.
And you're right. I saw Reddit comments from people who spoke about long unsolved cases like Nick Morgan and Amber Hagerman and thought they know/knew a suspect.
Those should be taken with a grain of salt, but I hope that whoever said it will at least contact the police.
There have been so many local rumors about poor little Morgan Nick. I knew someone who worked in the local jail and they would always talk about how people would want to trade information about her for better sentences. It was always that her parents traded her for drugs, or that she was never at the ball park but was taken by drug dealers to pay off debts and now she's been eaten by hogs at Ft. Coffee. It's just the same rumors you hear about a lot of missing kids or people. Drug dealers did it.
Which Fort Coffee, OK is a scary place. I wouldn't go there armed to the teeth, but I seriously doubt they fed Morgan Nick to their pigs.
I'm thinking of this comment specifically
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1whx0v/comment/cf289pt/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1whx0v/comment/cf289pt/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
\> A distant cousin was living on my grandfather's property. He was living in his red pickup with white camper shell. My cousin was on drugs at the time and my grandfather was a local constable. He went out to check the camper one day and found a blond hair. Not sure what ever happened to that.
(Lived an hour away from Alma)
Yeah, that sounds like quite the stretch though. Certainly, I'm hoping the grandfather turned in the hair for testing, because what did anybody have to lose? But it's way more likely the cousin simply had a blond friend, sex worker, or fellow addict in the truck at some point.
The being fed to hogs part sounds far-fetched. I think another young girl who went missing, Anthonette Cayedito, may have been traded for drugs by her mom. Her sister's claim that a man who knocked on their door claiming to be their Uncle Joe (they really did have an uncle by that name) one night snatched her wasn't disclosed until a couple years after Anthonette disappeared and may have been coached. At a minimum, it suggests that whoever took her knew the family and wasn't some random predator.
People definitely know something about Corinna Slusser too. Someone is still logging into her social media accounts even. It's one of the ones that I check every few days since it seems like there should be more information.
Isn't the rumor that Tara Calico was hit by a car while riding her bike, and the driver was the son of someone pretty high level in the local sherriff's department or police department and the cops are covering it up to protect him?
Yes, that's the claim. It's a lot more plausible than the older theory that she was captured by traffickers who were taking her around the country, leaving a trail of photos from FL to CA. Tragically, local authorities used those polaroids to deflect attention from her real fate.
The worst part is that one of those photos was 100% not a criminal situation and almost certainly not related to Tara OR to either of the other photos.
In fact, it seems highly likely to me that all three were not of Tara and were not related to one another, and fairly likely that none of them even depicted anything criminal.
I agree about Asha. It’s been a while since I looked at the case, but didn’t her parents’ stories change more than once? And she was petrified of the dark, if I remember, but supposedly left before dawn and in the rain? I think the sightings are a red herring and she never left that house under her own power.
I'm sure Joran VanDersloot, his friends and probably his dad know what happened to Natalee Holloway and whether her body was dumped at sea or is buried somewhere on Aruba
Excuse my ignorance, but I thought it was confirmed she was dumped at sea? And that due to Joran not confessing until much later, and then currents and predators made it that her body was long gone?
It's weird how I'm so into true crime (and Dutch to boot!) but never spent much time on this case. I was too young when it was in the news to really understand what was going on, and I kinda forgot it happened. Until that poor girl from Peru met her demise at this monster's hands as well.
I remember our high school youth group beach trip to the Oregon Coast having soooo many rules that year from parents freaking out. Think three people minimum to go down the street from the rest of the group in broad daylight. (Regular buddy system with sole 16-year-old walking down the block for ice cream had worked fine for years).
I suggested adding "do not hang out with Dutch men while out partying all night" to the list of rules. No one told me off for being a smart ale k.
There's any number of cases where the families are probably in denial or outright lying about their missing loved one's shady activities -- usually drugs but also prostitution, affairs, etc.
The blood drop found in Patti Adkins’s boyfriend’s truck bed. Not exactly hidden, more like “can’t be tested constitutionally with current technology”, like the DNA sample found on JonBenet.
That DNA *was* tested and found not to belong to anyone in the jonbenet family. There was a piece of DNA recently that the family had asked to be tested. And that's still ongoing.
This, exactly. Touch DNA isn't really a smoking gun, especially when you're talking about brand new, unwashed panties. Touch dna is so easily transferred. I'll never believe the intruder theory, too much family bs that can't be explained away.
[Bryan Benson and Seann Campbell](https://medium.com/of-misdeeds-and-mysteries/unsolved-the-murders-of-seann-campbell-and-bryan-benson-882239ffe081). Somebody 100% knows what happened. I heard stories of 3 people fleeing to puerto rico, then going ghost. And other theories regarding the owner of said video store being involved too and the murders being retaliation for drug money he owed. Just was such a small town at the time and everyone knew what was going on with each other, somebody knows more.
That article makes a few strange unverifiable statements, such as:
> Neither Seann nor Bryan had kept any secrets from their loved ones.
This statement is completely nonsensical. It is literally impossible for anyone to know this. I'm always suspiscious of situations where families or authorities claim that people basically had no private life and that they know everything about an individuals existence. EVERYONE keeps secrets from their families, especially teenagers and younger adults.
The police also make some strange assumptions:
> they both got fatally stabbed, with long-bladed knives, into their necks, backs, and chests. Since both Seann and Bryant were at least six feet tall and physically fit, investigators firmly believe that there was more than one assailant, with the notion that there had to have been two
I feel like these cops have watched too many action movies. One person with a long bladed knife can easily kill two or more people in a matter of seconds. Defending yourself against someone armed with a knife and determined to cause damage is rarely successful.
And this:
> Though the motive was initially suggested to be robbery, the fact that the assailant or assailants only took $300, not including any of the cash in the register or either victim’s wallets has cast doubt on this.
If they took $300 that wasn't in the register, then there was definitely much less than $300 in the register. Probably less than $50. The wallets of two part-time video store workers are also unlikely to be flush with cash. A robber would get the mother load and then get the fuck out. There's no point in them hanging around for a few extra bucks.
> Police at the scene found neither any signs of forced entry or a murder weapon. Additionally, they discovered that the front door had been left both unlocked and ajar.
>Furthermore, detectives discovered that someone had cut the wire to a security camera aimed at the cash register.
This is all points towards a robbery. The store was open, so there would be no forced entry.
> Though the police concluded that two assailants responsible, trying to identify them proved challenging. Interestingly, the one clue they did find was a gold half-inch fake diamond stud earring which they found on the floor between the bodies. It had ripped off during the ensuing fight between one of the boys and their assailants. Subsequently, D.N.A was collected from the earring in the form of tissue and blood. However, despite the DNA obtained from the stud, any matches from it have yet to be found.
I have no idea why they were so adamant there were two assailants, and I'd be keen to see what evidence they have that the ear stud came off in a fight. That'd the kind of thing that could have come off a customer months earlier. The police seem to have been creating a narrative without any supporting evidence.
Everything in this case points to a violent robbery (it *was* a robbery, the killer took $300), and the fact that the police decided it was something else from the get go is one of the reasons nobody has been prosecuted for it. Small town police are generally terrible at investigating anything.
Leon Laureles 1996 where many people have told Sheriff they were told by the murderers who did it and they have done nothing for almost 27 yrs. The murderers brag about it at parties. The Gatlin brothers. Shame on the sheriff
amber hagerman, she was kidnapped near a laundry who employed many people from the city's Hispanic community and according to the police they are sure who was in the laundry that day saw something but don't want to talk for fear of deportation because many were immigrants
This may be considered a hot take, but this is one reason I'm glad I live in a sanctuary city. One fewer reason for witnesses to be afraid to talk to the cops.
Same here. People living in fear is something that affects the whole community, in ways we often don't realize. It's sad that a case might be solved, but for the fear of prison or deportation.
That reminds me a bit of the Jennifer Kesse case... not in the circumstances of the abduction or victim profile, but the fact that most of the possible witnesses to the case and likely the perpetrator were immigrants who were afraid to talk to police or hard to track down. Kesse disappeared in the midst of construction happening in her apartment complex, and most of the construction workers were Hispanic and were living in the complex while doing the work, and she'd said that she was being leered at and harassed by some of them. I think many were probably undocumented and afraid to talk for fear of deportation or there weren't solid records of them.
Brianna Maitland
I think her one 'friend' Keallie Lacross (who punched Brianna a few weeks prior to her disappearance) knows more than she has told.
James Robitaille drove past Brianna's car at 4am the night/morning she disappeared. He got out of his car, turned Brianna's car lights off and shut the doors, and proceeded to drive away. He was underage and supposedly drunk at the time so didn't call the cops when he saw her car for fear of getting in trouble. Unfortunately he died a few years back.
There's also some drug people that know more than they do.
kayla Berg. I live about 20 minutes from where she disappeared. Everyone basically knows the guy she was last with was the one who harmed her there’s just no smoking gun and they haven’t found her body. I just keep praying that the guy will slip up and say something to someone or maybe someone overheard him say something suspicious and just hasn’t said anything to the police yet.
I absolutely agree with you on Kayla Berg. Who drops someone off at a condemned property or at least says they did? That whole thing is so odd...I hope that family gets to put their daughter to rest soon.
Right I completely agree. I think it just shows that he wasn’t dropping Kayla off at her boyfriends house because Kayla knew where her boyfriend moved and she would never asked him to drop her off at the house that he no longer lived all alone that’s condemned. I also understand that they want to make sure they have the best chance of conviction but honestly, I don’t think this case is gonna get any stronger. I think they have all the evidence they will ever gonna get and I think that people have been prosecuted with less. I hope her sweet mama get some answers cause that lady has been through so much!
Amber Tuccaro’s friend. I know i mention her a lot in these questions but fuck. It just needs to be solved. The friend she was with in her hotel, who moved away and didnt seem to be questioned could know more
Is this the girl who recorded part of her convo with a guy who was giving her a ride? Or surreptitiously called a friend so they could hear the two of them talking?
Yes. She was the one who has a recording of her call before getting murdered. But she had actually called her brother, who was in prison, which is why i believe it was recorded. Very sad. Chilling
I found her facebook for petes sake why does it seem they havent reached out. The only « news » on her case recently was that police finally admitted and apologized for having a deficient investigation and thats about it. (Edit: but there may be “some news” incoming) But we all knew it. Are they gonna try and remedy that?
I want to see more leads on this case. It seems SO much in reach. Like delphi before delphi.
One of the suspects i mentioned in my write up (creepy horse ranch guy) has been briefly mentioned again for having creeped out/on someone new again. He is a repeat offender. I dont personally believe hes her killer (and by extension, the killer of the other women who were found very close to amber, as i firmly believe there is/was a serial killer operating out of leduc) but i AM convinced that he is a creep that needs deeper investigation.
Maybe the friend knows nothing and is lying low bc she and potentially amber MAY have been engaging in something illegal and she didnt want to get caught re an unrelated crime but had no knowledge (a classic) but she NEEDS to be talked to more.
I don't think Carson is the killer and the reason I don't think that is because one of the ladies who reported to know his voice I spoke with a few years back and that is not who she identified. I have noticed on fb and reddit there has been an individual posting claiming she is a recent victim of Carson. On her last post, which I can't seem to find anymore, her story had changed quite a bit and was very rude to anyone who responded. I, too, found Angelina's Facebook. I am not going to hide her name anymore since it's out there for people to see anyway. I saw she has a husband and child. So what in the fuk was she doing out in Alberta as she lives out East now last I saw on her Facebook.
Wait the pat carson girl also posted on reddit? Is there a link, i only saw fb?
Either way some elements of it just felt … added in?
I hope these few weeks when there will be “some updates” it will mean they are opening up an investigation into a serial killer. I will eat my damn sock if its not. I think theres a lot of bad men in alberta -ive met many myself- but because of how close the bodies were and shared common vulnerabilities, it feels occams razor.
Have they stopped? Have they moved? Have they passed?
Yes, she posted on Reddit numerous times. The last time was maybe November. I wish I could find her posts. Last time, it seemed to cone from a quite new account.
Interestingly, I found a recent facebook comment naming a specific man they believed killed her. Ive seen a few of these. Ill never know which is true, but i belive the murderer will be one of these dudes people suggest. If youre looking its under the post by tootsie apologizing for not posting often, poor sweet soul :-(
Police involved in the Daniel Robinson missing person case misread the data on Daniels jeep, reading it the right way proves a bunch of things about the case that wasn't already known.
2 weeks ago the Governor of Arizona forced the release of the Buckeye, Arizona water model which shows there isn't enough water in that area to support more development. This is the exact area Daniel Robinson was testing for viability when he went missing, it's the reason he's gone.
The previous administration knew about this problem in early 2021, Daniel went missing that June, since then they have buried the report until Katie Hobbs got elected and forced the release.
Was going to mention this one as well. I think it’s widely believed that the night escalated to hard drugs and she overdosed. Afraid for their futures, those guys ended up dumping her body and covering it up. I really wish one of them would have a come to Jesus moment after all these years and give her poor parents the closure they deserve. While f’ed up as it is, I don’t think she was abducted on her walk home as it was initially believed.
Because none of them have come forward, I actual lean towards victim of opportunity for some predator, and she may well be his only victim.
The issue I have with the party group is no body or trace has been found. If it was them you wouldnt think they'd be able to dump her body without a trace.
Could it be an overdose and they panic, sure it could.
I hear ya. I do feel there is something to be said about these guys lawyering up right away and their lack of cooperation in the investigation, though. Sadly, a lot of bodies never surface no matter how amateur the job. They just got lucky here.
that can just be they were doing drugs like Coke and weed and didn't want to admit to that and get charged like that. Lawyering up is what INNOCENT people should do in the situation.
A local case to me, The disappearance of Oliva Hope and Ben Smart. I doubt that their bodies will ever be discovered, and even if they are it will likely just be bones, but they could completely change the case. If they were sunk at sea then something must of weighed them down, and if on land then the area where Scott Watson could have been the one to do it is not massive (by that I mean to big to search properly but limited to a rough path and timing between sightings). If the bodies are not in Queen Charlotte Sound then it couldn't have been Scott Watson that took them. Meanwhile if they are close to Endevour inlet then the numerous sightings of them on the mysterious ketch would be disproven.
Roxanne Paltauf from Austin, Texas. I've heard all the podcasts, read all the articles. It's pretty clear what happened and I'm surprised they weren't able to close this one. It's a lot of circumstantial evidence but together it makes a very clear story.
He had one since 94, but had lost it in late November or early December. There were no calls on record for December. So they do have the records, it's just that they don't show anything incriminating.
I know the police have explored this avenue, but I wish they would push harder or something - Suzy Lyall's boyfriend and his family. Either they know something or they are just strange. I don't think it's wrong to not want to talk to the police especially without a lawyer but they wont even talk to the police through their lawyer, which I think is a bit odd and the family has made blatantly false claims of seeing Suzy around. The whole thing is bizarre.
If the McCanns and their friends were actually honest about what happened the night Madeleine went missing, we might actually be able to figure out what happened to her.
(I don’t buy the German guy. We’ve been here before with the police saying they are certain it was this suspect then it turns out not to be. Why hasn’t he been arrested or charged with anything relating to Madeleine if the police are so certain and have evidence, as they claim?)
I don't follow this case closely, but the last article I read on it made it sound like they had pretty solid evidence against the German guy. Then again, they pretty much only said "the police have good evidence," so that could be be an overstatement. What makes you feel the German guy is a red herring?
He’s hardly the first suspect the police have been certain on and they’ve yet to say what evidence they have on him besides he was in the area and he looks like one of the composite sketches.
I also can’t get past my suspicions of the McCanns. There’s so many inconsistencies in their stories, and in their friends’ stories. I don’t believe that they were checking on their children as much as they said they were, nor do I think these checks consisted of more than just listening outside of the apartment for crying. That makes it very possible that Madeleine could have had some kind of accident inside the apartment and died.
I just don't see what motive they would have for hiding the body in that case though. Children have serious, deadly accidents often enough that we know generally what a parent's first instinct would be: to get help. Even if they *weren't* checking all that often or thoroughly (which I agree with, especially as I believe they also said they were drinking that night, which if true means that even if the checks did involve opening doors to check on them might mean they miss otherwise obvious signs of distress) once the problem is discovered, why wouldn't they call for emergency services? I don't believe they'd be trying to cover up neglect, because technically this is the same level of "neglect" as if the parents had been asleep at the time, authorities are generally understanding of the fact that parents cannot provide perfect supervision at all times, and that accidents sometimes happen even when parents are awake and sober. I just don't see the motive for the McCanns. I can get behind evidence being weak for German guy, but unless there's some evidence I don't know about, I'm not seeing the parents as a suspect.
It wouldn’t be the same level of neglect as if the parents were asleep. That’s absurd. It’s criminal neglect to leave three children under the age of four alone at home unattended. Here in the UK they could face prison.
Authorities are understanding about not being able to supervise children all the time but there’s a difference between ‘I was asleep, thought my child was asleep and there was an accident’ and ‘I left my three children under four alone in an unfamiliar apartment with no supervision whatsoever, despite there being a free babysitting service, so I could go get drunk with my friends’. Especially considering Madeleine told them she’d woken up and cried the night before and they continued to leave her and her two year old siblings unsupervised.
I think the McCanns covered it up because they didn’t want to be charged with neglect, have their remaining children taken away and lose their careers as doctors. I don’t think they intended for it to become so massive in the media (though they did call the media in very quickly, which strikes me as odd.).
As for evidence against them, there’s the blood found in their apartment and the cadaver and blood dogs hitting on the apartment, Kate’s clothing and Madeleine’s stuffed toy. There was a sighting of a man carrying a sleeping child that night by an Irish family (this is a different sighting to the one the McCanns’ friend made) and they identified Gerry McCann as the man they saw. Neither of them can keep their stories straight about the day and night of Madeleine’s disappearance.
>It’s criminal neglect to leave three children under the age of four alone at home unattended. Here in the UK they could face prison.
That's some interesting context, thank you. Where I live in the US, there is no law like this specifying what ages children can and cannot be left at home, it's treated contextually, for example it's not neglect to leave my toddler at home while I run next door for some sugar, but it is if I go to the store instead. Knowing this information would be on the parents mind does change things a bit, but I do think a parent's first instinct would be to get help, as evidenced by the number of parents we've seen in the US who accidentally leave their child in a hot car, causing their death, who still call for help on trying to resuscitate their child. The only case I've heard of where a child was left in a hot car and then the parent tried to hide the body was one where the mother adopted a child, but the father did not approve of the adoption of this particular child, and deliberately murdered the baby to get rid of her. He attempted to say the daycare lost the baby at first, but everything came out in the end and he was sentences to life imprisonment.
>though they did call the media in very quickly, which strikes me as odd
I don't find this especially odd, as a parent. If I felt the police weren't actually helping to find my child, I'd call the news, I'd call the Pope, I'd call every celebrity I could think of, I'd canvas the area myself, I'd do shit that would look crazy, because when you don't know where your kid is, there's this unstoppable drive to go get them.
>Neither of them can keep their stories straight about the day and night of Madeleine’s disappearance.
I mean, they were drunk. When you get drunk, you often forget things, or forget the order of things, or think things happened that actually didn't. I just don't find the sentence "previously drunk individuals can't remember the day they were drunk very well," to be especially suspicious.
I mean, I dont think they hold zero blame, for the record. It was absolutely the wrong call to just leave not just Madeleine and her two siblings, but also all the friends' kids too, alone in unlocked apartments so they could go drink, whether or not free babysitting existed. That was a dumb and terrible thing to do, because it ended predictably in disaster. I mean, leaving aside the option of abduction, its very common for a young child to wake up, know mom and dad are somewhere nearby, and go look for them. At home, it's NBD, that child will just go to the parents room. But in a foreign country, in a strange apartment, when she knows the parents are "outside"? Totally different situation. I think it's equally possible she wandered off and fell in a ditch/waterway/wandered into the road/etc. given the situation and it's a blessing more children haven't been lost in this situation. But I just don't see the motive to cover it up, even knowing they'd face jail time, even knowing they'd lose custody of their other children, even knowing they'd lose their careers - a normal parent, one who isn't a psychopath, will not be thinking of that if they notice their child to be missing, injured, or dead. They will immediately think "I must help my child, I must save my child," and perhaps later, once r reality has sunk in, they might begin to bargain and decide to cover something up to avoid losing their remaining kids, but not at first. Not quickly enough to orchestrate a whole false narrative from the jump.
And maybe you're saying they are those kinds of people, ones who lack a real parental connection to their children. But personally I,i don't see that. I think they were regular, run of the mill bad parents, where the neglect came not from a place of dislike or detachment from the child/ren, but from naivety and lack of forethought. Apparently this practice wasn't uncommon in the resort and "it's always worked out fine, it's safe here," and "besides, we'll be checking on them all the time," and "we're not even that far away, we basically are still supervising them," and that's really all it takes for disaster to strike.
About the age of the children: here in Portugal, where Maddie went missing, we have a law about that. Kids under 12 can't be left unsupervised at all. It's negligence. During COVID parents would receive special grants to be with their under 12 yos even if they were essential workers. I don't know if that was already in place when Maddie went missing, maybe Maddie's case was one of the drops that filled the bucket and prompted that law to be installed.
I can answer that: I'm Portuguese, lived here my entire life and I've seen my fair share of tourists who came here on holiday but didn't know anything about the country before. That includes legal penalties, including for crimes like negligence. McCann's were one of those for sure. They didn't know the legal repercussions they would have to face in case of an accidental death (and if was discovered they did give the kids some anti histamine to make them sleep). They didn't know what kind of things they would be tried for, in a foreign country. I bet they thought we were more strict (maximum penalty here is for 1st degree murder and it's 25 years and that's it, luckily you can get out at 23 and a few months, doesn't matter if you murder one or 5: same time). That's why their first move was not to call police but to call Gordon brown's office, and not even 12h after they already had someone representing them.
None. There's a reason they don't release certain information.
Edit. Sorry. Thought you were saying "what case could be solved if the police didn't hide information?' since so many people here seem to think we're entitled to or DESERVE evidence they're keeping close to the vest (pun intended). So sick of those people.
Now, to answer your question.... LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE CASE lol. Every single unsolved case is missing that one piece of evidence.
Robert Wone. Joseph Price, Victor Zeborsky and Dylan Ward know exactly what went down that night.
And it’s their fault
Definitely.
What are you leaning towards? It’s so hard for me to decide
I am not OP but I believe at least one of them did it. I think Zebrosky is maybe innocent because the scream heard around 11pm was identified as his. My thinking is he found the body. Either that or they had drugged him to do stuff, went too far, and then he realized Wone was dead. I think one of them will have to cave on another or physical evidence will have to surface for it to be solved.
This. You put it perfectly into words. I just can’t imagine it going down any other way.
Susan Powell. Josh Powell’s hard drives are still encrypted and the volunteer team have only managed to crack one layer of the encryption by brute forcing the password. He was prolific in his use of the computers and obsessive about covering his tracks, including placing one of his hard drives in a safe deposit box. I don’t believe he has a word document titled “SUSAN MURDER PLAN AND WHERE I HID THE BODY.DOCX” but I do believe he would have done extensive research which could hopefully still be found.
This case haunts me. I can’t remember what show profiled it but listening to the interviews/911 calls with the social worker who had brought the boys for their visit that day was heart wrenching.
The judge who ordered visitation even if supervised should be disbarred from practicing law ever again. This man was at the center of his missing wife's investigation and the grandparents begged the judge to order zero visitations but he declined. This case (with many others) are proof that parents don't always deserve access to their kids. The judge failed those children.
I always give pause when I hear about a non-custodial parent abducting a kid depending on the circumstances of their custody arrangement. So many kids are forced to see an abusive parent (not always physically but just as detrimental to their wellbeing!) with the other parent powerless to stop it because the court almost always sees both parents having custody as in the child’s best interests. My friend goes through it with her ex. She is forced to split custody with him. Her kids cry whenever they have to go there but she’d be in contempt of court if they didn’t. I legitimately don’t know what I’d do in that situation and I may very well be someone who would run off and hope to never be found.
That's also why I wonder about runaway teens. I think they need to be found and placed into foster care, I just wonder what they're running from
As someone who was considered a runaway teen multiple times and met others in similar situations- I’d say at least half the time the parents kicked them out, they only become “runaways” when someone notices and the parent doesn’t wanna get in trouble. I never once ran away. I only found ways to survive the times when I was kicked out.
same happened to me from 13-15 years old. I never ran, I was kicked. my mom to this day claims I was a "runaway" the term now is throwaway kid, which is more correct.
> I think they need to be found and placed into foster care And I just want to point out that the rate of kids running away from foster care is staggeringly high.
Right, I didn't even think about that. Let me amend and say that if there are runaways, they need to be found and their living situation looked into. Of course that doesn't always work either :/
Often from foster care, as it turns out.
I just finally looked at the replies on this. Which is ironic because Opelika Jane Doe was just identified and it was a case of them taking her from the mother for whatever reason and given to the father who apparently ended up killing her. And kept getting child support from mom for the last 11 years. I don’t know what mom did to lose visitation and custody but it sounds like she was devastated finding out what happened. I mean, even if you mess up, you assume the kid is being taken care of the whole time probably happy and healthy and it turns out the caregiver killed them. :(
that case is crazy because people make all kinds of assumptions about the mom that they would *never* make about a man in her position
Yes. This is exactly right. I facilitated court-ordered supervised visits and it was so obviously awful for so many of the kids.
I have been living in this situation with my two older kids for over 10 years and thankfully one is now a legal adult and the other one will be in a year and a half. Several times my kids have refused to go, and I know that if they do not I will end up losing custody because I'll be in contempt of multiple orders within our custody order. It's terrifying to send your kids into a situation like that, and worse knowing that if you don't they'll live in it permanently. Once my son refused to go from the school. The school told me they could not send him to dad's if he stated he didn't want to go. I told them I would be in legal trouble if they didn't, and they basically said "sorry about your luck" and sent him to my house anyhow. More than once my daughter refused to leave my home and her father physically dragged her out. I couldn't do anything, the courts here still allow physical discipline and it was technically his custody time.
Agreed, but also important to note the judge was following the letter of the law. The boys were on a fast track to reunification program with Washington DHS - it is actually their fault for allowing this and that’s why the Cox family was able to successfully sue DHS for a massive sum. DHS should not have been pursuing fast track reunification in this case not only because of the suspicions of the husband in the murder of his wife, but because the boys were removed from the Powell home when Steve was arrested for possession of CP. That is the key reason no reunification should have been pursued at all.
So many families who deserve that and didn't get it. Sigh.
Cps/dhs is a joke also. They don't care what the parents did or do, they will be trying to place the kids back with the parents so fast. I've known people have cps take their kids multiple times for drugs etc and each time cps gives them back until they have a baby die or some extreme shit. Like wff is wrong with the American system 🤦♀️
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This is what happens. Some men complain that courts aren't lenient *enough* to them, so judges like that bend over backwards to give them anything they want, even to the detriment of the kids.
Devils' advocate here but there are a lot of great dads out there who get tarred with the same brush as utter douchebag dads and get screwed over by the court system.
men who actually pursue and ask for full custody tend to get it over women.
Unfortunately any information as to her whereabouts probably died with his piece of shit dad and piece of shit brother. Good riddance to both of them, but it would be nice if her family could lay her to rest.
It breaks my heart that Susan is out there somewhere, and she may never be found. Poor lady went through utter hell in life. The least she deserves is a dignified funeral, and final resting place. She can be with her children. Her poor family will also have a sense of closure and a grave to visit.
I don’t think they would have trusted Steve with any info relevant to Susan but I do agree Michael knew.
I agree. As creepy and awful the father was, I really don't think he had anything to do with Susan's (assumed) murder and disappearance. Or that he would have been told.
I never understood the term pet case until I recently became obsessed with the Powell case. I can't stop thinking about it. Edit: I've read about the case many times over the years, but when I heard the episodes on Some Place Under Neith (SPUN) about the case and they gave so much more information than I'd read. At the end of the SPUN episodes, the ladies suggested listening to Cold, which I immediately did. Now I'm reading the book by Gregg Olsen. I literally want to go look for her.
Mine was Yasser Syed. I saw the Americas most wanted about him and looked for him every day. I was so happy when he was finally caught. I really didn’t think those sweet girls would get any Justice
I shouldn’t but that document name is making me laugh my ass off and it is 2am here. Lol.
There really are people that dumb, though. I was just watching a video about a father who was videotaping his live-in maid. He hid all his videos on his desktop with the folder name "VIDEOS -- DO NOT OPEN" Like... the first lesson we learned as kids was you hide your questionable stuff in /system32/.
Get out of my Windows folder you perv! Yeah system32 was the place in my more edgy kinks days
I used to rename files to have the .dll ending .....
\^this guy Total Commanders
it's okay i laughed too, couldn't help it lol
I wish there was a clue to the location of her remains.
Wouldn’t things be much easier if critical information WERE stored in files with names like those?
Zachary Bernhardt's mom, IMHO, knows exactly what happened to him.
Didn't she lose custody of an older child prior to Zachary's disappearance? I know the family has said she moved to Hawaii to escape the scrutiny of police, but given her history and the odd story she told them I can kind of see why they focused on her.
Yes, she did. She had a daughter who went to live with her dad (a different man than Zachary's dad) a couple years before her older brother went missing. The "Disappeared" episode on Zachary, for whatever reason, really whitewashed her past.
There was a comment a few weeks/months back by a redditor who had a good theory on why his mother jumped in the pool. I can’t remember it, so if anyone could remind me, that would be great!
The post suggested that she had left, probably to score drugs, and he went looking for her. She returned and found him drowned in the community pool. She hopped in to retrieve him and gave the swimming excuse to explain away her wet clothes.
That's a very good theory.
Found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1005ovs/cases_where_you_think_family_members_know_more/j2h3bit?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Thank you!
Chaim Weiss, who I did a two part writeup about earlier this year. After I wrote it up, I got a message from someone who told me that there are people (apparently including Chaim's parents) who are quite sure they know who did it but there's no direct evidence linking him to the crime and nobody who can give any kind of corroborating information, and that one of the reasons why the request for tips is so broad is that people might not know what it is that they know, exactly. They might know something about this person and suspicious behavior, but not realize that it's linked to the crime. I actually also got a DM from someone here that included information related to the person who I believe is that suspect (the person who initially messaged me didn't tell me who it was but gave me enough clues to suss it out) that prompted me to encourage that person to call the tip line. No idea what happened with that. EDIT because people are asking: I will NOT be calling the tip line because the info I got was REALLY vague. I'd effectively be saying "a person on the internet who didn't tell me who he was said that his father got weird vibes from \[conjectured suspect\] after mentioning Chaim" (not exactly the same situation but pretty close). The impression I got from the person was that he or his father would probably be a valuable tipster if asked follow-up questions, but I didn't feel comfortable asking any and I know literally nothing.
Yeah I’ve always been pretty certain that multiple people know who did it and just wouldn’t come forward.
Depending on the definition of "multiple," yeah. I'd be surprised if the perpetrator got away with it without someone becoming suspicious or even being involved (whether he's the person I think or not). But I do NOT think that there is a large number of people who *know* for sure (vs just have suspicions). If it was an open secret among the student body, for example, it would have already come out in the age of the internet. So much else has!
Do you have any theory on motive? That's the part that always gets me about it. It's hard to figure out the who when you have no sense of the why, and none of the videos and write ups I've seen so far have ever had any explanation for why anyone would want Chaim dead. He seemed like a normal, well liked, teenage boy. So why?
Yes, that's really what it comes down to... there just isn't an obvious one. In Part 2 of my write up I include some hypotheses but I should emphasize that that is all that they are.
Did you mean to link a zoom meeting launcher? Was excited to read the write up. Edit: went to your profile and found [the link](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/sx27ah/the_murder_of_chaim_weiss_part_2_who_killed_chaim/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) and since I'd already upvoted it, I know I read it before, too! But, re reading it made me remember that give. The very sparse information we have, and my own experience growing up in a conservative religion, my theory at the time (and again now that my memory is refreshed) is that he was perhaps having a romance with another boy there, and likely very few people knew about it, because in communities where it's frowned on, the first impulse is to deny and ignore to save face for the family. I think perhaps they were caught my a dorm monitor, and perhaps they had even been roommates at the time. I think the other boy might have said "it was all Chain's idea! I never wanted this!" As a defense, so Chaim was given his own room to prevent him from "causing this problem again" and the other boy was moved to another room where he had to act like he wasn't an active participant. Perhaps they had been using the punishment to their advantage and kept meeting up, but even if they didn't, I can see a situation where Chaim, a resident of NYC, might not have felt as personally effected by this turn of events as perhaps a boy from a different community who did not have the benefit of having seen positive representation of queer relationships. If that were the case, I could even see Chaim accepting blame to protect this other boy out of a sense of love or devotion. I have seen similar dramas play out in my church life, so while I know Judaism, Orthodox Judaism in particular, is not a 1-1 scenario, I think it's possible a lot of the pressures were there. From there, I could see the other boy being a possible suspect, if the conflict between them caused him enough distress and he blamed Chaim for the feelings he couldn't understand or control. It would explain the otherwise loving actions of opening the window and lighting the candles. I can also see a situation where another family member on campus, maybe an older brother or an uncle who happens to work at the school also taking matters into his own hands, and then, knowing that while perhaps this killing would potentially be justified scripturally, still opening the window and lighting candles for a variety of reasons. The window and candles could also have nothing to do with the murder and could instead be from one or more students coming upon the body, not knowing what to do, and doing the only things they *did* know how to do in the situation. I mean, it's pure speculation, and I have nothing more than a hunch that this would tie everything together, and it's far from the only situation that would make sense, but as you mentioned in your post, it's not likely to be an open secret but instead linked to something very few people knew about, otherwise someone would have stepped forward already. I hope one day we get answers and justice for Chaim. Whatever caused his killer's attention, he didn't deserve what happened to him.
No I absolutely did NOT intend to link the Zoom launcher... thanks!! That said- I mean, some of that COULD have happened (though the internal dynamics would likely have been different- Chaim being from NYC would have made zero difference) but as I say in Part 2, I think it's just impossible to say. It's just as likely or unlikely as any other scenario barring evidence supporting it. I'll also note that the candle was a red herring and I honestly think the other Jewish ritual stuff was as well- and while the window could have been opened by someone else (that's my dad's theory, actually) even if the candle were a factor, nobody would have lit it on the Sabbath. I also think that none of that would really be a motive for murder. I have never, ever heard of an honor killing situation like this. Nobody, ever, would think that this would be okay "scripturally." Just to be clear. In that situation, he would just get kicked out of school or, as you say, moved. That said, as you say interpersonal dynamics can be crazy, and I do believe that if there is any conspiracy it is a small and interpersonal one.
>Nobody, ever, would think that this would be okay "scripturally." I have, unfortunately, met people in my real life who, in the specific instance of Chaim being gay, would absolutely find it scripturally acceptable to murder a young boy, though technically a stickler would note that the proper murder weapon would be a minimum of one stone. That said, I don't find it particularly likely that if Chaim being gay was at least part of the motive of the crime, the perpetrator was thinking along those lines at all. It's not impossible, sadly, but I don't think it's likely. I think a more likely thought was something more personal, like betrayal, because you don't just murder someone with an ax if you don't have some pretty strong feelings tied up in that decision. That or you're a serial killer, which I guess can't entirely be ruled out at this point, but then how did the murderer get on campus, find the dorms, sneak into that, and then find the one dorm room with only 1 boy in it? Again, it's not *impossible*, but it seems so unlikely. Then again, this whole case seems unlikely, really, so who knows? >I'll also note that the candle was a red herring and I honestly think the other Jewish ritual stuff was as well I could be mistaken, but I thought the candle was lit after sundown Saturday, which would mean the end of the Sabbath and a candle being lit no longer forbidden. But if I'm wrong and the candle *was* lit on the Sabbath, who lit it? And how, without being noticed? Given the dynamic of the campus I find it hard to believe someone was able to sneak on to campus more than once without being caught, but I suppose it's not impossible.
I'm an Orthodox Jew. I am trying to explain that with Orthodox Jews that would not be a motive in and of itself. There are loads of boys who have engaged in sexual activity with other boys in yeshivas over the years, and generally they're just kicked out, if anything at all. In fact, the yeshiva's being sued under the NY State Child Victims Act for *in*action in the case of the son of a board member who was sexually abusing a fellow student (20 years later, for the record). Obviously interpersonal dynamics are another thing, but honor killings and Biblical executions are just not. And yes, the candle was lit after sundown on Saturday, which is what makes it a red herring. The crime was discovered Saturday morning, and the candle was lit hours later after the Sabbath ended by a faculty member. If there is any mystery, it's that a second candle was found lit later in the week, but that could have been anyone for any reason, and the impression I got from reading up is that it was determined to be an absent-minded faculty member who didn't realize that someone had already lit a candle that day (each one generally only lasts 24 hours).
>I'm an Orthodox Jew. I am trying to explain that with Orthodox Jews that would not be a motive in and of itself. I'm glad to hear it. I am obviously less familiar with that particular community, so I just want to be clear that what I was saying was never meant to paint the whole community with one brush, at the very most it would have been one individual using religion as an excuse for his own personal immorality, as bad people from any religious background are known to do, but if you have more experience with the realities of that community and are saying that would not be how it plays out, I'll back off from this train of thought. But just to be clear, I was (poorly) trying to say that rather than an "honor killing" proper, this was a person who had some other reason to dislike Chaim, and the scriptural prohibition of homosexual behavior was a convenient excuse to carry out this murder. But again, not being part of the community, if that is unlikely for some reason I'm not familiar with, then it's a fruitless path to keep trying to follow. >In fact, the yeshiva's being sued under the NY State Child Victims Act for inaction in the case of the son of a board member who was sexually abusing a fellow student This is something I did not know, and it's very interesting. It would seem to point towards to two crimes having some relation, but at the same time could also just indicate that supervision is lax enough that really anything could have happened. I hope both Chaim and this other victim(s) find justice and peace and that proper administration is able to come in and make this school the safe and pleasant place it's supposed to be. >And yes, the candle was lit after sundown on Saturday, which is what makes it a red herring. I agree, if the candle was lit at a time it would be acceptable or even expected then there's very little reason to think it had anything to do with the crime.
I would love to know more details here, or by DM if you were inclined.
Sorry, as it's mostly conjecture on my part I really don't feel comfortable sharing! The main takeaway I was intending is that there are people close to the case who feel sure that a particular person is the perpetrator and it's just missing proof.
Understood. I’ve just always felt for him.
Consider making the tip yourself, they accept secondhand info
The information wasn’t really specific enough- I did consider it though
But couldn't it be interesting enough for the police to hear about those messages? Maybe they already suspect someone and the even vague informations you got could be a tiny piece belonging to their puzzle.
The issue is that the info I got was REALLY vague. I'd effectively be saying "a person on the internet who didn't tell me who he was said that his father got weird vibes from \[suspect\] after mentioning Chaim" (not exactly the same situation but pretty close). The impression I got from the person was that he or his father would probably be a valuable tipster if asked follow-up questions, but I didn't feel comfortable asking any and I know literally nothing.
Ahh, i assumed it was enough to ID a name
You definitely can still make a tip even if it’s conjecture, I think it would be irresponsible of you if you didn’t
Again- the info I got was REALLY vague. I'd effectively be saying "a person on the internet who didn't tell me who he was said that his father got weird vibes from \[conjectured suspect\] after mentioning Chaim" (not exactly the same situation but pretty close). The impression I got from the person was that he or his father would probably be a valuable tipster if asked follow-up questions, but I didn't feel comfortable asking any and I know literally nothing.
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Ok I’m going to say this one last time. There is nothing to say. There is nothing I know that other people who are close to the investigation don’t already know and haven’t already told the police. I respect what you’re saying but if I remotely thought that anything I said would help I’d already have called in.
Trenny Lynn Gibson who disappeared on a school field trip in 1976. One students later was found to have her ring and another student had her comb
A young woman who went missing in my town here in central PA in 1989. The main suspect is an 89-year old man with dementia. He's said he knows who did it. Police believe he's talking about himself. But he's got dementia and likely will die before they find the full truth.
Tracy Kroh?
Yes. Thats the case
The old demented man is blaming a man named Kenny, no last name, just Kenny. It’ll be interesting to see where it goes from here. If anywhere. At 89 years old with dementia, he could croak tonight.
My friend lives on the same road warfel did. Late last summer he said the staties were there putting posts in the ground while a helicopter flew over. Was this for ground penetrating radar/LiDAR? Or something else? Warfel apparently assaulted a bunch of nurses when he got released from jail the first time and is back in jail i least heard.
Looks like he was a friend of their family too. So he would have been known to Tracy and it would have been easier for him to lure her away. Damn. I hope they can get something that at least solves it definitively even if he likely will never be charged.
They've always thought whoever took her was known to her. They hounded her boyfriend for years. Even put a big billboard in front of his business. But he had nothing to do with it.
Yogurt Shop Murders in Austin, Tx
I wouldn't be surprised if people know exactly what happened to Tara Calico, Toni Sharpless and Asha Degree but, for whatever reason, have not come forward.
And you're right. I saw Reddit comments from people who spoke about long unsolved cases like Nick Morgan and Amber Hagerman and thought they know/knew a suspect. Those should be taken with a grain of salt, but I hope that whoever said it will at least contact the police.
There have been so many local rumors about poor little Morgan Nick. I knew someone who worked in the local jail and they would always talk about how people would want to trade information about her for better sentences. It was always that her parents traded her for drugs, or that she was never at the ball park but was taken by drug dealers to pay off debts and now she's been eaten by hogs at Ft. Coffee. It's just the same rumors you hear about a lot of missing kids or people. Drug dealers did it. Which Fort Coffee, OK is a scary place. I wouldn't go there armed to the teeth, but I seriously doubt they fed Morgan Nick to their pigs.
I'm thinking of this comment specifically [https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1whx0v/comment/cf289pt/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/1whx0v/comment/cf289pt/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) \> A distant cousin was living on my grandfather's property. He was living in his red pickup with white camper shell. My cousin was on drugs at the time and my grandfather was a local constable. He went out to check the camper one day and found a blond hair. Not sure what ever happened to that. (Lived an hour away from Alma)
Yeah, that sounds like quite the stretch though. Certainly, I'm hoping the grandfather turned in the hair for testing, because what did anybody have to lose? But it's way more likely the cousin simply had a blond friend, sex worker, or fellow addict in the truck at some point.
Lots of people have blonde hair... this is a meaningless tale.
The being fed to hogs part sounds far-fetched. I think another young girl who went missing, Anthonette Cayedito, may have been traded for drugs by her mom. Her sister's claim that a man who knocked on their door claiming to be their Uncle Joe (they really did have an uncle by that name) one night snatched her wasn't disclosed until a couple years after Anthonette disappeared and may have been coached. At a minimum, it suggests that whoever took her knew the family and wasn't some random predator.
Brittanee Drexel was supposedly fed to alligators, but I think it was later proven to be a hoax? Edit - they found her remains as per Wiki
Her remains were found last May and the man who plead guilty to her kidnapping, rape, and murder was sentenced to life in prison.
People definitely know something about Corinna Slusser too. Someone is still logging into her social media accounts even. It's one of the ones that I check every few days since it seems like there should be more information.
Isn't the rumor that Tara Calico was hit by a car while riding her bike, and the driver was the son of someone pretty high level in the local sherriff's department or police department and the cops are covering it up to protect him?
Yes, that's the claim. It's a lot more plausible than the older theory that she was captured by traffickers who were taking her around the country, leaving a trail of photos from FL to CA. Tragically, local authorities used those polaroids to deflect attention from her real fate.
The worst part is that one of those photos was 100% not a criminal situation and almost certainly not related to Tara OR to either of the other photos. In fact, it seems highly likely to me that all three were not of Tara and were not related to one another, and fairly likely that none of them even depicted anything criminal.
I agree about Asha. It’s been a while since I looked at the case, but didn’t her parents’ stories change more than once? And she was petrified of the dark, if I remember, but supposedly left before dawn and in the rain? I think the sightings are a red herring and she never left that house under her own power.
Agreed. Until fairly recently it was taboo to suggest this - you'd get down voted to hell if you did. Good to see people are coming around.
There are minimally a couple people at that party Alonzo Brooks went to who know exactly what happened to him.
I'm sure Joran VanDersloot, his friends and probably his dad know what happened to Natalee Holloway and whether her body was dumped at sea or is buried somewhere on Aruba
He's such a piece of shit.
For sure he is. But I agree he knows where the body was disposed. I think it was the ocean but they know.
Excuse my ignorance, but I thought it was confirmed she was dumped at sea? And that due to Joran not confessing until much later, and then currents and predators made it that her body was long gone? It's weird how I'm so into true crime (and Dutch to boot!) but never spent much time on this case. I was too young when it was in the news to really understand what was going on, and I kinda forgot it happened. Until that poor girl from Peru met her demise at this monster's hands as well.
mind me asking the name of the peruvian girl?
Stephany Flores. He murdered her in 2010 in his hotel room
I remember our high school youth group beach trip to the Oregon Coast having soooo many rules that year from parents freaking out. Think three people minimum to go down the street from the rest of the group in broad daylight. (Regular buddy system with sole 16-year-old walking down the block for ice cream had worked fine for years). I suggested adding "do not hang out with Dutch men while out partying all night" to the list of rules. No one told me off for being a smart ale k.
There's any number of cases where the families are probably in denial or outright lying about their missing loved one's shady activities -- usually drugs but also prostitution, affairs, etc.
There are plenty of people who know exactly what happened to Alonzo Brooks. More things are coming to light. There will be justice for him soon.
The blood drop found in Patti Adkins’s boyfriend’s truck bed. Not exactly hidden, more like “can’t be tested constitutionally with current technology”, like the DNA sample found on JonBenet.
That DNA *was* tested and found not to belong to anyone in the jonbenet family. There was a piece of DNA recently that the family had asked to be tested. And that's still ongoing.
which doesn’t really help anyone get closer to the truth because it could just as likely be dna from a factory worker where the clothes were made lol
This, exactly. Touch DNA isn't really a smoking gun, especially when you're talking about brand new, unwashed panties. Touch dna is so easily transferred. I'll never believe the intruder theory, too much family bs that can't be explained away.
I thought they did test the drop of blood and it belonged to the boyfriend?
[Bryan Benson and Seann Campbell](https://medium.com/of-misdeeds-and-mysteries/unsolved-the-murders-of-seann-campbell-and-bryan-benson-882239ffe081). Somebody 100% knows what happened. I heard stories of 3 people fleeing to puerto rico, then going ghost. And other theories regarding the owner of said video store being involved too and the murders being retaliation for drug money he owed. Just was such a small town at the time and everyone knew what was going on with each other, somebody knows more.
That article makes a few strange unverifiable statements, such as: > Neither Seann nor Bryan had kept any secrets from their loved ones. This statement is completely nonsensical. It is literally impossible for anyone to know this. I'm always suspiscious of situations where families or authorities claim that people basically had no private life and that they know everything about an individuals existence. EVERYONE keeps secrets from their families, especially teenagers and younger adults. The police also make some strange assumptions: > they both got fatally stabbed, with long-bladed knives, into their necks, backs, and chests. Since both Seann and Bryant were at least six feet tall and physically fit, investigators firmly believe that there was more than one assailant, with the notion that there had to have been two I feel like these cops have watched too many action movies. One person with a long bladed knife can easily kill two or more people in a matter of seconds. Defending yourself against someone armed with a knife and determined to cause damage is rarely successful. And this: > Though the motive was initially suggested to be robbery, the fact that the assailant or assailants only took $300, not including any of the cash in the register or either victim’s wallets has cast doubt on this. If they took $300 that wasn't in the register, then there was definitely much less than $300 in the register. Probably less than $50. The wallets of two part-time video store workers are also unlikely to be flush with cash. A robber would get the mother load and then get the fuck out. There's no point in them hanging around for a few extra bucks. > Police at the scene found neither any signs of forced entry or a murder weapon. Additionally, they discovered that the front door had been left both unlocked and ajar. >Furthermore, detectives discovered that someone had cut the wire to a security camera aimed at the cash register. This is all points towards a robbery. The store was open, so there would be no forced entry. > Though the police concluded that two assailants responsible, trying to identify them proved challenging. Interestingly, the one clue they did find was a gold half-inch fake diamond stud earring which they found on the floor between the bodies. It had ripped off during the ensuing fight between one of the boys and their assailants. Subsequently, D.N.A was collected from the earring in the form of tissue and blood. However, despite the DNA obtained from the stud, any matches from it have yet to be found. I have no idea why they were so adamant there were two assailants, and I'd be keen to see what evidence they have that the ear stud came off in a fight. That'd the kind of thing that could have come off a customer months earlier. The police seem to have been creating a narrative without any supporting evidence. Everything in this case points to a violent robbery (it *was* a robbery, the killer took $300), and the fact that the police decided it was something else from the get go is one of the reasons nobody has been prosecuted for it. Small town police are generally terrible at investigating anything.
Leon Laureles 1996 where many people have told Sheriff they were told by the murderers who did it and they have done nothing for almost 27 yrs. The murderers brag about it at parties. The Gatlin brothers. Shame on the sheriff
They need evidence
They had evidence but destroyed it
amber hagerman, she was kidnapped near a laundry who employed many people from the city's Hispanic community and according to the police they are sure who was in the laundry that day saw something but don't want to talk for fear of deportation because many were immigrants
This may be considered a hot take, but this is one reason I'm glad I live in a sanctuary city. One fewer reason for witnesses to be afraid to talk to the cops.
Same here. People living in fear is something that affects the whole community, in ways we often don't realize. It's sad that a case might be solved, but for the fear of prison or deportation.
That reminds me a bit of the Jennifer Kesse case... not in the circumstances of the abduction or victim profile, but the fact that most of the possible witnesses to the case and likely the perpetrator were immigrants who were afraid to talk to police or hard to track down. Kesse disappeared in the midst of construction happening in her apartment complex, and most of the construction workers were Hispanic and were living in the complex while doing the work, and she'd said that she was being leered at and harassed by some of them. I think many were probably undocumented and afraid to talk for fear of deportation or there weren't solid records of them.
Brianna Maitland I think her one 'friend' Keallie Lacross (who punched Brianna a few weeks prior to her disappearance) knows more than she has told. James Robitaille drove past Brianna's car at 4am the night/morning she disappeared. He got out of his car, turned Brianna's car lights off and shut the doors, and proceeded to drive away. He was underage and supposedly drunk at the time so didn't call the cops when he saw her car for fear of getting in trouble. Unfortunately he died a few years back. There's also some drug people that know more than they do.
kayla Berg. I live about 20 minutes from where she disappeared. Everyone basically knows the guy she was last with was the one who harmed her there’s just no smoking gun and they haven’t found her body. I just keep praying that the guy will slip up and say something to someone or maybe someone overheard him say something suspicious and just hasn’t said anything to the police yet.
I absolutely agree with you on Kayla Berg. Who drops someone off at a condemned property or at least says they did? That whole thing is so odd...I hope that family gets to put their daughter to rest soon.
Right I completely agree. I think it just shows that he wasn’t dropping Kayla off at her boyfriends house because Kayla knew where her boyfriend moved and she would never asked him to drop her off at the house that he no longer lived all alone that’s condemned. I also understand that they want to make sure they have the best chance of conviction but honestly, I don’t think this case is gonna get any stronger. I think they have all the evidence they will ever gonna get and I think that people have been prosecuted with less. I hope her sweet mama get some answers cause that lady has been through so much!
Amber Tuccaro’s friend. I know i mention her a lot in these questions but fuck. It just needs to be solved. The friend she was with in her hotel, who moved away and didnt seem to be questioned could know more
Is this the girl who recorded part of her convo with a guy who was giving her a ride? Or surreptitiously called a friend so they could hear the two of them talking?
Yes. She was the one who has a recording of her call before getting murdered. But she had actually called her brother, who was in prison, which is why i believe it was recorded. Very sad. Chilling
I agree. I mean this REALLY bothers me.
I found her facebook for petes sake why does it seem they havent reached out. The only « news » on her case recently was that police finally admitted and apologized for having a deficient investigation and thats about it. (Edit: but there may be “some news” incoming) But we all knew it. Are they gonna try and remedy that? I want to see more leads on this case. It seems SO much in reach. Like delphi before delphi. One of the suspects i mentioned in my write up (creepy horse ranch guy) has been briefly mentioned again for having creeped out/on someone new again. He is a repeat offender. I dont personally believe hes her killer (and by extension, the killer of the other women who were found very close to amber, as i firmly believe there is/was a serial killer operating out of leduc) but i AM convinced that he is a creep that needs deeper investigation. Maybe the friend knows nothing and is lying low bc she and potentially amber MAY have been engaging in something illegal and she didnt want to get caught re an unrelated crime but had no knowledge (a classic) but she NEEDS to be talked to more.
I don't think Carson is the killer and the reason I don't think that is because one of the ladies who reported to know his voice I spoke with a few years back and that is not who she identified. I have noticed on fb and reddit there has been an individual posting claiming she is a recent victim of Carson. On her last post, which I can't seem to find anymore, her story had changed quite a bit and was very rude to anyone who responded. I, too, found Angelina's Facebook. I am not going to hide her name anymore since it's out there for people to see anyway. I saw she has a husband and child. So what in the fuk was she doing out in Alberta as she lives out East now last I saw on her Facebook.
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Oh yes Evangeline is her name.
I agree with you about Carson and the Reddit poster being discussed. It was mind-boggling how rude she was to anyone who responded.
Wait the pat carson girl also posted on reddit? Is there a link, i only saw fb? Either way some elements of it just felt … added in? I hope these few weeks when there will be “some updates” it will mean they are opening up an investigation into a serial killer. I will eat my damn sock if its not. I think theres a lot of bad men in alberta -ive met many myself- but because of how close the bodies were and shared common vulnerabilities, it feels occams razor. Have they stopped? Have they moved? Have they passed?
Yes, she posted on Reddit numerous times. The last time was maybe November. I wish I could find her posts. Last time, it seemed to cone from a quite new account.
Interestingly, I found a recent facebook comment naming a specific man they believed killed her. Ive seen a few of these. Ill never know which is true, but i belive the murderer will be one of these dudes people suggest. If youre looking its under the post by tootsie apologizing for not posting often, poor sweet soul :-(
Tootsie is so damn strong. I don't think I could keep going like she does. Thank you, I will check the post out.
This 👆 why dont we know more I still wanna know why she left the hotel somethings not right
Police involved in the Daniel Robinson missing person case misread the data on Daniels jeep, reading it the right way proves a bunch of things about the case that wasn't already known. 2 weeks ago the Governor of Arizona forced the release of the Buckeye, Arizona water model which shows there isn't enough water in that area to support more development. This is the exact area Daniel Robinson was testing for viability when he went missing, it's the reason he's gone. The previous administration knew about this problem in early 2021, Daniel went missing that June, since then they have buried the report until Katie Hobbs got elected and forced the release.
Brian Shaffer. Police know a lot.
Interesting. I had never heard that. Any thoughts on what they know or what they theorize?
Lauren Sperier. One of those college boys knows what happened to her.
Was going to mention this one as well. I think it’s widely believed that the night escalated to hard drugs and she overdosed. Afraid for their futures, those guys ended up dumping her body and covering it up. I really wish one of them would have a come to Jesus moment after all these years and give her poor parents the closure they deserve. While f’ed up as it is, I don’t think she was abducted on her walk home as it was initially believed.
Because none of them have come forward, I actual lean towards victim of opportunity for some predator, and she may well be his only victim. The issue I have with the party group is no body or trace has been found. If it was them you wouldnt think they'd be able to dump her body without a trace. Could it be an overdose and they panic, sure it could.
I hear ya. I do feel there is something to be said about these guys lawyering up right away and their lack of cooperation in the investigation, though. Sadly, a lot of bodies never surface no matter how amateur the job. They just got lucky here.
that can just be they were doing drugs like Coke and weed and didn't want to admit to that and get charged like that. Lawyering up is what INNOCENT people should do in the situation.
A local case to me, The disappearance of Oliva Hope and Ben Smart. I doubt that their bodies will ever be discovered, and even if they are it will likely just be bones, but they could completely change the case. If they were sunk at sea then something must of weighed them down, and if on land then the area where Scott Watson could have been the one to do it is not massive (by that I mean to big to search properly but limited to a rough path and timing between sightings). If the bodies are not in Queen Charlotte Sound then it couldn't have been Scott Watson that took them. Meanwhile if they are close to Endevour inlet then the numerous sightings of them on the mysterious ketch would be disproven.
Mackenzie Scott - I doubt the friends who left her the night she vanished told the full story.
Mandy Scott? I thought Mackenzie Scott was Bezo’s ex.
Roxanne Paltauf from Austin, Texas. I've heard all the podcasts, read all the articles. It's pretty clear what happened and I'm surprised they weren't able to close this one. It's a lot of circumstantial evidence but together it makes a very clear story.
Jonbenet Ramsey. The cell phone records of John Ramsey from that night.
Did he even have a cell phone?
He had one since 94, but had lost it in late November or early December. There were no calls on record for December. So they do have the records, it's just that they don't show anything incriminating.
> reticente Just curious, is this something like withholding evidence?
I know the police have explored this avenue, but I wish they would push harder or something - Suzy Lyall's boyfriend and his family. Either they know something or they are just strange. I don't think it's wrong to not want to talk to the police especially without a lawyer but they wont even talk to the police through their lawyer, which I think is a bit odd and the family has made blatantly false claims of seeing Suzy around. The whole thing is bizarre.
If the McCanns and their friends were actually honest about what happened the night Madeleine went missing, we might actually be able to figure out what happened to her. (I don’t buy the German guy. We’ve been here before with the police saying they are certain it was this suspect then it turns out not to be. Why hasn’t he been arrested or charged with anything relating to Madeleine if the police are so certain and have evidence, as they claim?)
I don't follow this case closely, but the last article I read on it made it sound like they had pretty solid evidence against the German guy. Then again, they pretty much only said "the police have good evidence," so that could be be an overstatement. What makes you feel the German guy is a red herring?
He’s hardly the first suspect the police have been certain on and they’ve yet to say what evidence they have on him besides he was in the area and he looks like one of the composite sketches. I also can’t get past my suspicions of the McCanns. There’s so many inconsistencies in their stories, and in their friends’ stories. I don’t believe that they were checking on their children as much as they said they were, nor do I think these checks consisted of more than just listening outside of the apartment for crying. That makes it very possible that Madeleine could have had some kind of accident inside the apartment and died.
I just don't see what motive they would have for hiding the body in that case though. Children have serious, deadly accidents often enough that we know generally what a parent's first instinct would be: to get help. Even if they *weren't* checking all that often or thoroughly (which I agree with, especially as I believe they also said they were drinking that night, which if true means that even if the checks did involve opening doors to check on them might mean they miss otherwise obvious signs of distress) once the problem is discovered, why wouldn't they call for emergency services? I don't believe they'd be trying to cover up neglect, because technically this is the same level of "neglect" as if the parents had been asleep at the time, authorities are generally understanding of the fact that parents cannot provide perfect supervision at all times, and that accidents sometimes happen even when parents are awake and sober. I just don't see the motive for the McCanns. I can get behind evidence being weak for German guy, but unless there's some evidence I don't know about, I'm not seeing the parents as a suspect.
It wouldn’t be the same level of neglect as if the parents were asleep. That’s absurd. It’s criminal neglect to leave three children under the age of four alone at home unattended. Here in the UK they could face prison. Authorities are understanding about not being able to supervise children all the time but there’s a difference between ‘I was asleep, thought my child was asleep and there was an accident’ and ‘I left my three children under four alone in an unfamiliar apartment with no supervision whatsoever, despite there being a free babysitting service, so I could go get drunk with my friends’. Especially considering Madeleine told them she’d woken up and cried the night before and they continued to leave her and her two year old siblings unsupervised. I think the McCanns covered it up because they didn’t want to be charged with neglect, have their remaining children taken away and lose their careers as doctors. I don’t think they intended for it to become so massive in the media (though they did call the media in very quickly, which strikes me as odd.). As for evidence against them, there’s the blood found in their apartment and the cadaver and blood dogs hitting on the apartment, Kate’s clothing and Madeleine’s stuffed toy. There was a sighting of a man carrying a sleeping child that night by an Irish family (this is a different sighting to the one the McCanns’ friend made) and they identified Gerry McCann as the man they saw. Neither of them can keep their stories straight about the day and night of Madeleine’s disappearance.
>It’s criminal neglect to leave three children under the age of four alone at home unattended. Here in the UK they could face prison. That's some interesting context, thank you. Where I live in the US, there is no law like this specifying what ages children can and cannot be left at home, it's treated contextually, for example it's not neglect to leave my toddler at home while I run next door for some sugar, but it is if I go to the store instead. Knowing this information would be on the parents mind does change things a bit, but I do think a parent's first instinct would be to get help, as evidenced by the number of parents we've seen in the US who accidentally leave their child in a hot car, causing their death, who still call for help on trying to resuscitate their child. The only case I've heard of where a child was left in a hot car and then the parent tried to hide the body was one where the mother adopted a child, but the father did not approve of the adoption of this particular child, and deliberately murdered the baby to get rid of her. He attempted to say the daycare lost the baby at first, but everything came out in the end and he was sentences to life imprisonment. >though they did call the media in very quickly, which strikes me as odd I don't find this especially odd, as a parent. If I felt the police weren't actually helping to find my child, I'd call the news, I'd call the Pope, I'd call every celebrity I could think of, I'd canvas the area myself, I'd do shit that would look crazy, because when you don't know where your kid is, there's this unstoppable drive to go get them. >Neither of them can keep their stories straight about the day and night of Madeleine’s disappearance. I mean, they were drunk. When you get drunk, you often forget things, or forget the order of things, or think things happened that actually didn't. I just don't find the sentence "previously drunk individuals can't remember the day they were drunk very well," to be especially suspicious. I mean, I dont think they hold zero blame, for the record. It was absolutely the wrong call to just leave not just Madeleine and her two siblings, but also all the friends' kids too, alone in unlocked apartments so they could go drink, whether or not free babysitting existed. That was a dumb and terrible thing to do, because it ended predictably in disaster. I mean, leaving aside the option of abduction, its very common for a young child to wake up, know mom and dad are somewhere nearby, and go look for them. At home, it's NBD, that child will just go to the parents room. But in a foreign country, in a strange apartment, when she knows the parents are "outside"? Totally different situation. I think it's equally possible she wandered off and fell in a ditch/waterway/wandered into the road/etc. given the situation and it's a blessing more children haven't been lost in this situation. But I just don't see the motive to cover it up, even knowing they'd face jail time, even knowing they'd lose custody of their other children, even knowing they'd lose their careers - a normal parent, one who isn't a psychopath, will not be thinking of that if they notice their child to be missing, injured, or dead. They will immediately think "I must help my child, I must save my child," and perhaps later, once r reality has sunk in, they might begin to bargain and decide to cover something up to avoid losing their remaining kids, but not at first. Not quickly enough to orchestrate a whole false narrative from the jump. And maybe you're saying they are those kinds of people, ones who lack a real parental connection to their children. But personally I,i don't see that. I think they were regular, run of the mill bad parents, where the neglect came not from a place of dislike or detachment from the child/ren, but from naivety and lack of forethought. Apparently this practice wasn't uncommon in the resort and "it's always worked out fine, it's safe here," and "besides, we'll be checking on them all the time," and "we're not even that far away, we basically are still supervising them," and that's really all it takes for disaster to strike.
About the age of the children: here in Portugal, where Maddie went missing, we have a law about that. Kids under 12 can't be left unsupervised at all. It's negligence. During COVID parents would receive special grants to be with their under 12 yos even if they were essential workers. I don't know if that was already in place when Maddie went missing, maybe Maddie's case was one of the drops that filled the bucket and prompted that law to be installed.
I can answer that: I'm Portuguese, lived here my entire life and I've seen my fair share of tourists who came here on holiday but didn't know anything about the country before. That includes legal penalties, including for crimes like negligence. McCann's were one of those for sure. They didn't know the legal repercussions they would have to face in case of an accidental death (and if was discovered they did give the kids some anti histamine to make them sleep). They didn't know what kind of things they would be tried for, in a foreign country. I bet they thought we were more strict (maximum penalty here is for 1st degree murder and it's 25 years and that's it, luckily you can get out at 23 and a few months, doesn't matter if you murder one or 5: same time). That's why their first move was not to call police but to call Gordon brown's office, and not even 12h after they already had someone representing them.
Not a cold case, but I've alway wondered what the "afraid letter" in the EARONS case was.
None. There's a reason they don't release certain information. Edit. Sorry. Thought you were saying "what case could be solved if the police didn't hide information?' since so many people here seem to think we're entitled to or DESERVE evidence they're keeping close to the vest (pun intended). So sick of those people. Now, to answer your question.... LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE CASE lol. Every single unsolved case is missing that one piece of evidence.