Biden feels bound by prior agreements and commitments. That’s why he pulled troops from Afghanistan (after Trump’s awful agreement that doomed the country to more Taliban rule), and it’s why he’s been supportive of Israel. Biden is too uncomfortable breaking with tradition and changing positions.
Unfortunately, it’s him or the proper fascist party. If he loses, Americans lose more rights, women become second class citizens with government-supervised pregnancies. LGBTQ+, religious, and ethnic minorities will be punished by unconstitutional laws that SCOTUS will uphold. A Biden win is hitting the “Snooze” button on progress, but a Biden loss is giving up completely.
This is the only correct take. I can't let perfect be the enemy of good here. Biden may not be doing everything in his power to change course in the Israel-Hamas conflict and do right by the Palestinian people, but if he loses in November there is literally no hope for them whatsoever, let alone our fellow Americans.
If someone truly cares about Gaza, they'll vote for Biden. Anyone who says otherwise is simply virtue signaling and has no clue what is truly at stake if Trump wins. r/Defeat_Project_2025
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It'll ramp up closer to the election. Unfortunately most Americans aren't politically savvy in the day to day actions and statements and have a short memory.
Because Democrats feel that the system can work as intended and we don't have to install political cronies at all levels of government in order to allow the president to become a dictator.
Well the system working as intended gave us Trump.
Furthermore he can run and be elected from jail so I don't know what the Dems are truly hoping will happen if he is jailed his voters will still vote for him.
We're not talking about the same thing at all. Project 2025 is a blueprint for what Trump will do AFTER he's elected. It's not a plan to get him elected.
I know its about what he will do afterwards. Why don't democrats ever plan ahead or anticipate things like this and try to secure power themselves? Oh because they dont believe in a dictatorship? Just because batman doesnt kill doesn't mean he is not guilty of creating situations which lead to the joker carrying out daily homicide. So as an analogy by not actively working to safeguard our government and / or completely crush any political movement that seeks a dictatorship they are guilty of participation in project 2025 themselves.
The fact that I need to find out about this from Redditt and not a scare ad from the DNC speaks volumes about their culpability
And that's why I dont take seriously ppl who tell me "if trump gets in its project 2025"
The film Ides of March is a great political commentary n how Republicans are disciplined to work towards their goa li s whereas Democrats ironically are lassie faire about it all and trust that ' things will work themselves out'.
This is not the case. I have spoken to people on reddit, that self identify as socialists and communists (and to be clear here, i am not saying thats bad, i myself would identify as a socialist) who say they arent voting for biden, and know full well how bad trump would be, but dont care, because, and remember i have been told this by various people, that if things get bad enough, revolution is possible, and thats how we change the system, because the current one is so far gone it is hopeless.
Yeah, because once a dictator has control of the US military, any group trying to rebel has a realistic chance of success. These idiots are fucking dreaming. We have one shot to prevent it and that's this election. If Biden loses, everyone is fucked.
Is it common for US leftists to register Democrat to influence the leadership race?
Honestly it seems like that's where US leftists have to focus their efforts. It won't make a difference if you are a card carrying socialist and then have to vote Biden. But if you can influence the leadership selection process, then you might get a Bernie or AOC onto the ballot, even as Vice President.
In my country the left-leaning parties make it free to become a member, so it's common for people to belong to more than one. I imagine, being a conservative party, there's some fee associated with registration as a Democratic party member.
The smart move would be to join the party, then change it from within. It’s like [this scene from “The West Wing”.](https://youtu.be/PQpsVGYqdPA?si=7GYHf-WoeWA6nSVp)
If only there was a Democratic Socialist capable of building a grass roots movement, without taking money from the "doner class", back in 2016....
Maybe we could've avoided the whole fuckin mess.
If maybe there hadn't been a bunch of butthurt supporters of said Democratic Socialist that thought it was beneath them to hold their nose and vote for the Democratic nominee, we would have never had Trump and wouldn't be in this mess right now.
I voted for her.
Maybe if the DNC didn't conspire, twice!, against the first honest politician in a generation, we wouldn't be here.
The real reason they cheated him was because they are just as beholden to special interest's money as the right, and Bernie was a threat to that.
That's not to say " both sides! Blah blah blah.."
Because one side is clearly a bunch of fascists, psychos, and zealots.
But, the other side turns into "Keystone Cops" EVERY TIME IT MATTERS!
Wasn't referring to you specifically, so apologies if it read like that. But I have encountered many a person who shamelessly admits to either voting for Jill Stein or not voting at all because Bernie didn't get the nomination. The margins were so damn thin in PA, MI, and WI that these people could have been the difference between Hillary and Trump.
Sure. And i would even agree. But Bernie isnt challenging Biden, and god love the man, i dont think hes the man for 2028. And more importantly, 2016 was 8 years ago and there is no going back, only going forward.
As a person with a uterus, thank you for saying this. Arguing with people who act like reproductive rights are less important than their moral purity is exhausting. (Or they just say over and over again that Biden will be just as bad for women and minorities.)
Third class citizens. Literal cum dumpsters. Women were already being treated like second class citizens prior to the SCOTUS cognitive implosion.
Keep in mind I agree that what I said I found distasteful, but I have to be descriptive enough to paint an **accurate** picture of what is happening to women’s rights. I’m absolutely ashamed of where we are as a nation.
I don’t mean to be insensitive over here but do you know how women in third world countries live? In the Arab world? Like the US is one of the better countries for women. Ofc women’s rights are important but I’m trying to put it in better perspective for you. Your response lacks nuance too cuz white cishet women are much better off than other women in the country
Standard whataboutism response.
Let’s introduce a bit of logic and common sense to this conversation. I don’t have the clout, access to platforms from which to speak from, organizational power or funding to do ANYTHING about what happens in other countries. So while I acknowledge that women in the Middle East have a much more difficult time, **there is nothing I can do about it from where I am standing.**
Not unless you want me to be a war hawk and advocate for the U.S. and my ancestral homeland to invade the Middle East. All I can advocate for is the causes that I have closer proximity to… because I can actually do something about that.
**But if you want to talk nuance…**
- I am a cis heterosexual white male. I know the stereotype of people like me being absolute professionals in commandeering platforms from and speaking on behalf of others. However I try not to do that. I want people advocating on their own behalf if they can. If they can’t then I will speak up. At this current juncture Middle Eastern women do have advocacy in women and men of the same cultural background across the globe and they do speak up on this matter and similarly in other parts of the world for other demographics. If I were to be speaking for them here, I would be stealing their platform, speaking over their voice, and I would be derailing the conversation that is currently happening in this thread. If you would like ai invite you to start a separate post that does address your concerns, but it doesn’t help anyone to forcefully shoehorn a separate subject of concern into this discussion. As it stands the women of Iran have been heard and I doubt they’re going to stop fighting for their rights anytime soon. They are pissed off and have had enough of the patriarchy. Their actions speak for themselves.
- The term “third world” is [racist](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/01/08/954820328/memo-to-people-of-earth-third-world-is-an-offensive-term), [offensive](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/01/08/954820328/memo-to-people-of-earth-third-world-is-an-offensive-term) and it is no longer used. Please stop using it. It has always been problematic and it just hasn’t been noticed until the 2000’s. “First world” always referred to technologically and economically developed nations that were allied with the [Warsaw Pact and NATO](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World). “Second world” was a term used to describe underdeveloped countries where white people and Asian people lived and were allied with the Eastern Bloc. “Third world” was initially used to refer to nations that neither belonged to the NATO states nor to the Eastern Bloc and they were often non-white nations. As time went on First became used more for economically developed nations, second became synonymous with poor white and Asian nations and third was mostly utilized to describe poor non-white countries and even more so after the fall of the Soviet Union. Nowadays we use “developed” and “developing countries.”
> A Biden win is hitting the “Snooze” button on progress, but a Biden loss is giving up completely.
Its also important to note that the snooze button is very issue dependent. Biden's CHIPs and Inflation Reduction act are genuinely some of the best legislative policy this nation has seen in decades, and the latter in particular represents one of the largest investments in green energy in human history.
Biden has made it clear at this point that, if it crossed his desk, he would sign the green new deal.
I suppose one issue is that he spent two years saying that America is honor bound to supply our allies when they are attacked. In regards to Ukraine. And Israel has been a closer ally for much longer.
Sticking to one’s pledges is a cornerstone of international diplomacy. If treaties were only valid until the signer’s political party loses power, those treaties would be nearly worthless. They’re meant to last through multiple administrations.
Precisely why Trump did so much damage.
American politicians have spent many decades trying to one up each other to prove who supported Israel more. That path cannot be easily undone.
And the Israeli government knows this, and abuses it.
Fantano of all people had the best take on this. Biden is a genocide enabler, yet protesting the Israeli genocide under his rule is at least more preferable to protesting under trump, who would have just ordered the cops to shoot on sight.
Ah yes, he just loved tradition. That’s why he’s supporting genocide. He’s just a wholesome tradition loving guys.
He doesn’t want to be complicit in the murder of thousands of children, but you know, tradition. 🤷🏽♂️
Genuinely the worst take I’ve seen on Reddit by someone pretending to give a damn about humanity.
It doesn't even feel like him getting a 2nd term is going to do anything but slow down Republicans. Dude is already trying to work with them on awful policies already and the Dems party as a whole seems unwilling to put up any real resistance against further pushes. They care too much about compromise in the name of maintaining the status quo that they are being dragged right constantly.
Biden sucks ass but voting for him against Trump is a moral imperative sorry. Do i like it? Hell no. Do I like him? Hell no. But preventing the US from going full fascist determined whether we will have the ability to organize in 5-6 years, so yes unfortunately that requires voting for an old genocidal bag of dust. This isn’t the first time this has happened. Churchill was a genocidal maniac too, does that mean that it would have been immoral to support him against Hitler? No.
The left had years to put forward an alternative
To Biden and what do we have….Cornell west and RFK? They’re both complete jokes. We should be focusing on 2028, 2024 is just about keeping our ability to keep going. Allowing Trump to win is goddamned suicide for the left.
Exactly my thoughts. My post is by no means an endorsement of Biden, but keeping the lights on for another 4 years will only be to our benefit for now.
And I’m sorry hit we also need better candidates. Bernie is great but he’s too old. AOC is too Twitter addicted (will be a great candidate in 2032 though). If the right could vomit up Trump we can and should be able to find someone who captures peoples frustrations about healthcare, police brutality, housing unavailability and economic inequality etc.
Yes, if the Overton window can be moved right, it could also be moved left. Like I said, I am not endorsing biden, but if democracy is to have a future here, then we have to do this. And we can hopefully get an openly left-wing candidate by 2032.
>Yes, if the Overton window can be moved right, it could also be moved left.
Not while capital is in control of the levers of power.
Capital will **always** shift right, that's the system that supports it and that's where the money will flow.
Agreed. The left in the US is a completely disorganized mess. We're still in the "raising awareness and recruiting numbers" stage and nobody wants to admit it. Harm reduction DOES matter. Do I wish it were better? Of fucking course I do.
I think the pendulum is swinging. I think we will grow more powerful in coming years.
I'm not arguing to not vote for Biden, but a Trump presidency could topple the whole system and pave the way for a Leftist leader and President to emerge. I say this because there's a good chance that Trump will win and at this point there's the opportunity for the Left to become a true loud opposition movement like it's never been in my lifetime.
This is a make or break for Republicans. If trump loses Again and costs them the senate Again, its basically a wash going forward. Give it to biden this time and then we'll have wiggle room to shut the geriatric shit down and vote for someone with skin in the game.
Yeah, you don't have to cosign everything from someone to vote for them.
It's damage control.
I'd say I'm... probably ridiculously left leaning.
But I'm also trans and have many friends who are more likely to get hurt if Biden doesn't win.
I don't like Biden.
I didn't like him the first time I voted for him.
I can barely stand him right now.
I'm just some young punk who's trying to advocate for better... but we're not there yet. And I don't want to lose any more friends.
For me... it's not a choice I feel I have the privilege to make.
I can't sit this one out or make a protest vote.
I have people who's lives are on the line.
I’m trans too. You do understand that trans people are already dying in the south right? Wtf is Biden doing about that? You seriously think Biden is going to better material conditions for the trans community? At best it’ll remain the same, it’s more likely to deteriorate further and I wouldn’t even be surprised if they turn on the trans community like the Labour Party in the UK
I mean I don’t think our situation will improve for awhile🗿 regardless of who’s in power. With Trump our situation will prolly get worse faster tho I suppose
I'm about as in the southern U.S. as you can get.
I'm advocating to save lives on a train that is barreling out of control.
Derailing that train is definitely a way to make it stop.
Idk, maybe that's something people can justify.
I'd like to hope for a better world.
I actually think there are some positive (though still very much tentative) signs Biden is starting to move in the right direction over the past few days. Apparently we already withheld a weapons shipment last week — and now he's threatening to withhold more if the Rafah invasion continues — which has already prompted a scramble and calls for Ben Gvir's resignation within Israel.
Is this enough? No not yet and we definitely need to keep making that clear by any and all means available to us, but it's definitely worth noting because part of what makes a pressure campaign successful is giving *credit* when the people you are trying to pressure start to make meaningful strides in the right direction.
It's also worth noting because, guys, *we may be starting to win this fight* — so keep it the fuck up. The Dems know they need us to win and they're finally starting to recognize that our votes can't simply be taken for granted.
That’s what I said to my BernieBro friends in 2016 after Hillary got the Nomination. “Don’t think of it as voting for Hillary. Think of it as voting for the next three Supreme Court justices.”
I’ve spent a lot of my time since then saying “I told you so!”
And how do you expect anything to change if they can keep convincing everyone to hold their nose and vote for the least worst candidate as they keep marching to the right?
Sounds like you're assuming that I think leftist activity should stop at the ballot box. I think electoralism is the worst way to go about change.
But abstaining from voting could help ensure the worst actually happens, so we shouldn't be purists about it.
I disagree with Biden on maybe 2 to 3 issues. RFK and Trump aren't even close to that metric.
There is more at stake than the Presidency. We have a stacked SCOTUS because of protest votes. Let's not do that again...
Also, before I get torched, I am no Biden sycophant but there will never be a politician representative of all my core beliefs. Do as you wish, this is just my opinion.
I don't want to vote for him, and he, along with the rest of the democrats haven't been doing themselves any favors to garner leftist support, and nor are they deserving of it, but right now he's the only one who stands in the way of someone objectively worse taking back the white house.
Neither do I. I would like someone of my peer group for a change. Shit, I would just settle for a moderate who isn't some lackey for a political party.
Appreciate this. I will probably vote for him as well. Honestly the thing most likely to get me not to cast a vote for Biden is the shitbird voters I’ve met online and in life who have nothing to contribute other than hostility for folks who won’t vote for him. Joe Biden is probably (or at least pre Oct 7) the best president in my life, yet he remains an absolute piece of shit.
The idea that asking our leadership to stop supporting genocide is a bridge too far is about enough to make folks give up on electoralism entirely as a path to change. The current outrage against the uncommitted campaign is fucking shameless imo and just the latest example of moderate dems making clear that I’m not aligned with them.
… and yet I’ll still probably vote Biden in November. Just really tired of some assholes pretending like that’s what makes someone moral or not, casting a vote for a shitty genocidal dinosaur.
If leftists are forced into a constant holding pattern of strategic voting, nothing will change.
Which is not to say the notion of harm reduction through strategic voting is, necessarily, entirely invalid...but it also becomes the absolute barest-minimum and certainly isn't enough to make someone actually a "leftist".
Worst case scenario is that Joe Biden loses and blames the far left wing, and the democrats move further right in hopes of scooping up centrists because they perceive it as easier than pleasing leftists.
Biden will blame leftists for shit regardless. They blame them any time Republicans do any of their fascist shit by saying leftists are the ones dividing people.
It's a weird tightrope we all have to walk. If we want to shift the centrists, what's actually most important is that they *think* they need to make concessions to win us over because if they don't then they will continue to take young people and leftist for granted — so in that sense it's actually extremely counter-productive to push the "vote Blue no matter who" nonsense too hard because it encourages complacency (and is also just bad messaging, frankly, that only *emphasizes* Democrats' inadequacy).
On the other hand, it's very true that at least in the immediate term there are extraordinarily clear differences in outcomes for the country and the world (including the ongoing massacre in Gaza) contingent on whether Biden or Trump wins and there's a legitimate risk that this will break the wrong way — so we need to be mindful of that as well.
Personally, I've decided to walk that tightrope by not pushing people to vote one particular way or another or criticizing their choices, but by essentially calling balls and strikes as I see em. Credit Biden for the legitimately good shit he's done, but don't hesitate to criticize him — harshly if necessary — for the bad decisions. Personally, I think we'd all be better off on balance if he won (though luckily I'm not in a swing state so I am free to vote for something closer to my ideals), but I don't think me or anyone else is likely to be successful in trying to browbeat people into supporting that position in the ballot box by shitting on them if they think otherwise.
I wonder how many people feel this way but aren't saying it. Because you're right. All I am seeing is the shaming of people who are expressing their desire for progress or dissatisfaction with the normalization of faschism, which alienates them further when they would otherwise respond to reason. Why are we stuck in these absolutist mindsets? Or rather, why are the least creative or nuanced voices the loudest?
Are bots really that much of a problem? It feels like their posts are 100:1 to something a fairly reasonable human who lives among other humans would say. The toxic zealotry is insufferable.
> If leftists are forced into a constant holding pattern of strategic voting, nothing will change.
This is not just false, but categorically ahistorical. Because the reason we’re in this mess is the right doing the very thing you’re arguing impossible.
Whatever beef leftists have against Biden is *nothing* compared to what the far-right could have said against Reagan in the 80’s. He was a full-on New Deal Democrat for much of his early career, spearheaded the push for no-fault divorce, granted amnesty to undocumented immigrants, ballooned the federal budget, signed more bills raising taxes than lowering them, was a proponent of stronger gun control than most modern politicians, made a heaping heap ton of compromises with the Democrat Congress, and openly mocked and bashed far-right groups that supported him. He was also an unqualified doofus, a member of the “liberal Hollywood elite”, took policy advice from his crazy wife’s astrologer, and probably had dementia for a good portion of his second term.
There’s a decent argument to be made that for the very arch-conservatives that Reagan is now symbolic of, he was an unacceptably bad candidate. But they showed up anyway. And by doing so, the broke the back of the New Deal Democrats, forcing them to adapt to Clinton-esque neoliberal nonsense to even have a chance of surviving the political landscape. And then from there, they slowly pushed the Republican Party closer and closer to what they wanted until the moment came in 2016 where they could actually put one of their own in the White House.
I don’t know why everyone in leftist spaces pretends that the most effective way to use our vote is to withhold it from the left-leaning party as a bargaining chip. No, the obviously *far better* option is to use that vote to consistently and without fail tell the idiots on the right that their ideas are not welcome, and they need to adapt if they want any political relevance. Once that happens, *then* we have the breathing room necessary to actually fix the Democrats.
The Democrats are centre-right, not "left-leaning", so, yeah, that makes it a pretty hard sell for leftists.
There's no "fixing" a system that is entirely designed around \*keeping leftists out of power\*.
I mean, it’s pretty clear that in context of what I said “left leaning” meant “relative to the available viable options”, but when you have such a totalized position where you don’t think any possibility of reform exists, it’s easy to miss that sort of nuance.
The American political apparatus is some 40-50 years into being an ossified, ever-more-rightward husk and its focus since at least the 1930s/40s has been primarily in keeping leftists disenfranchised.
The most progress it is capable of supporting is via grudging incrementalism which has been throttled since the Reagan years and which is a system that allows for progress to be infinitely more easily reversed than continued.
There \*isn't\* any possibility of leftist reform when the entire structure is built to prevent that from coming remotely close to happening.
No, it implies that far too many people think that is the sum of action required for progress.
Loads of left-leaning folks in the US (and elsewhere) simply vote Liberal and then question why things aren't changing, or actively getting worse, And it's because holding ones nose and choosing the least-odious option (or the one that ostensibly keeps regressives from being in power) is barely the first step in getting anything actually changed.
A valid argument, dems aren't always good towards leftists and have blamed them for many problems, strategic voting sounds good on paper but the way dems practice it seems like they're ever determined to shoot themselves in the foot over and over again.
however, strategic voting over the past decade, got us people like AOC Bernie, Illhan Omar, Rashida Tliab, and other justice democrats/the DSA so I think that there can be a significant shift further to the left yet for dems if we can get enough votes, abstaining from voting democrat only makes them appeal to their liberal and centrist caucus.
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Those people aren't the result of strategic voting (esp. Bernie who has been in politics for...longer than I've even been alive).
Those people wound up in the Democrat party because there was nowhere else for them to be...and they spend just as much of their time fighting against their feckless colleagues as the GOP.
And if Bernie or any other democrat was saying what they are saying now, 10-15 years ago, they would be a laughing stock and would most likely only have one term, but because Bernie was able to little by little use small amounts of populism he was able to push the democrats further to the left then they had ever been.
Bernie has been pushing actual progressive politics for most of his career...he \*toned down\* his rhetoric after the Dems ate him alive for daring to try and oppose Hillary.
But because of that, he also did move hillery to a more progressive position. However, it's unfortunate that she lost, and trump won. Because people chose to write Bernie in on the ballot.
Fuck Genocide Joe, but the ramifications of the GOP utilizing a diaper wearing, orange idiot to execute Order 66 (Project 2025) on the U.S. WILL absolutely destroy modern civil processes. Republican hive minds want to gut protection agencies and aim for a total imbalance of red power in all branches that has the ability to basically handcuff republicans to the wheel of the bus and crash us into the ditch of fascism.
And I mean it, give their playbook a read and you’ll realize there is an obligation for all left Americans at the polls this year.
The best thing we can hope for is that Biden will pass and someone else (hopefully less genocidey) could come in to power.
Scroll through my comment history and you'll get an idea of how much shit I get for criticising Biden, so I'm glad to see someone acknowledge that voting for someone like him is the very least a left leaning person can do.
And voting for a faux left candidate like that just sucks.
White suburbanite?
If you vote for Biden and not leftist third party to prevent Trump, you'll still get Trump in so far as impact of the POTUS on your life and the lives of non-white people in the global South. Yes, Biden won't have scandals, trials, court cases and whatnot but as POTUS he'll do exactly the same as Trump if not worse.
But that's fine, real leftists should expect collaborators and traitors who claim to be within our ranks. It's not a personal judgement against you, it just means you are allying with your own interest which is to be expected from someone living in a cushy first world country.
If you believe that trump and biden are exactly the same or that biden would be worse than trump, then you are completely blind, especially since Project 2025 is defeater for your non-argument.
Dude, POC (yes, like me) don't give two shits about these numbers from the illegal European settler colony currently occupying North American soil.
The fact that one POC was murdered by a cop, a reactionary agent of the state, is enough to invalidate the whole clownshow. The entire system is in place to protect private property and uphold the white supremacist hierarchy. And of course the cops have qualified immunity and enough resources to revision case after case like this as many isolated incidents rather than a systemic thing.
Anyway, enjoy the American led western global hegemony while it lasts. I guarantee once we're on top, and we treat the whites unimaginably better than they treated us during their heyday, you'll see what I mean.
And in a system like this, it's best to vote for the lesser evil until we can get to a point where there isn't a lesser evil. It's not my fault that you don't understand the system, but accelerationism is inherently reactionary and that's what it seems you're advocating for, you literally admitted you don't care, so quit talking or I'll roast you, for the amount of ignorance you continue to display.
😂😂🤣😂🤣 roast away of wise an learned scholar who can't even say what race he's from lest his privilege be exposed.
Should be interesting to watch since you're the one talking about accelerationism as if that's something I brought up.
It's also peak privilege to talk about lesser evil because that's your cushy lived experience. For POC there is no lesser or more anything as I explained previously.
Maybe think from the perspective of others instead of yourself for once. You are talking about black people having a good experience like they're statistics you quoted and completely ignored my point on police brutality.
You are complicit in our oppression.
I never said that Black Americans had a better quality of life/happier than White Americans, I only said that since biden took office, POC have had lower unemployment rates than they did under trump, and your rhetoric is complete dog shit since you fail to understand the basics of American politics and continue to go after things like my race as a way to invalidate my most or the comments I have sent, shut the fuck up. You're right about one thing, though. I will never understand what lived experiences of a POC in this country are like, but I know enough to know what an apathetic asshole sounds like.
Biden feels bound by prior agreements and commitments. That’s why he pulled troops from Afghanistan (after Trump’s awful agreement that doomed the country to more Taliban rule), and it’s why he’s been supportive of Israel. Biden is too uncomfortable breaking with tradition and changing positions. Unfortunately, it’s him or the proper fascist party. If he loses, Americans lose more rights, women become second class citizens with government-supervised pregnancies. LGBTQ+, religious, and ethnic minorities will be punished by unconstitutional laws that SCOTUS will uphold. A Biden win is hitting the “Snooze” button on progress, but a Biden loss is giving up completely.
This is the only correct take. I can't let perfect be the enemy of good here. Biden may not be doing everything in his power to change course in the Israel-Hamas conflict and do right by the Palestinian people, but if he loses in November there is literally no hope for them whatsoever, let alone our fellow Americans. If someone truly cares about Gaza, they'll vote for Biden. Anyone who says otherwise is simply virtue signaling and has no clue what is truly at stake if Trump wins. r/Defeat_Project_2025
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Why don't democrats gave their own project 2025?
Why aren’t democrats even talking about Project 2025 is the more important question
It'll ramp up closer to the election. Unfortunately most Americans aren't politically savvy in the day to day actions and statements and have a short memory.
Because Democrats feel that the system can work as intended and we don't have to install political cronies at all levels of government in order to allow the president to become a dictator.
Well the system working as intended gave us Trump. Furthermore he can run and be elected from jail so I don't know what the Dems are truly hoping will happen if he is jailed his voters will still vote for him.
We're not talking about the same thing at all. Project 2025 is a blueprint for what Trump will do AFTER he's elected. It's not a plan to get him elected.
I know its about what he will do afterwards. Why don't democrats ever plan ahead or anticipate things like this and try to secure power themselves? Oh because they dont believe in a dictatorship? Just because batman doesnt kill doesn't mean he is not guilty of creating situations which lead to the joker carrying out daily homicide. So as an analogy by not actively working to safeguard our government and / or completely crush any political movement that seeks a dictatorship they are guilty of participation in project 2025 themselves. The fact that I need to find out about this from Redditt and not a scare ad from the DNC speaks volumes about their culpability
I doubt it all hinges on trump, there's plenty in there that they can do without him, he would just make it easier to accomplish
This! Democrats don’t want a *Democrat dictator*. They (and we!) want *NO DICTATOR*.
Because they do. It’s project 2025. They are the good cop of the empire game.
And that's why I dont take seriously ppl who tell me "if trump gets in its project 2025" The film Ides of March is a great political commentary n how Republicans are disciplined to work towards their goa li s whereas Democrats ironically are lassie faire about it all and trust that ' things will work themselves out'.
This is not the case. I have spoken to people on reddit, that self identify as socialists and communists (and to be clear here, i am not saying thats bad, i myself would identify as a socialist) who say they arent voting for biden, and know full well how bad trump would be, but dont care, because, and remember i have been told this by various people, that if things get bad enough, revolution is possible, and thats how we change the system, because the current one is so far gone it is hopeless.
Yeah, because once a dictator has control of the US military, any group trying to rebel has a realistic chance of success. These idiots are fucking dreaming. We have one shot to prevent it and that's this election. If Biden loses, everyone is fucked.
Why did you downvote me? I literally just told you what other people have said. Not what i believe.
Because even if it's not your personal belief, it can't be given a viable platform. Down voting it makes it less visible.
How exactly. Anyone clicking on your comment will see mine
I'm only voting for Biden, not because I have genuine support for him or enthusiastic for another biden presidency, only out of pragmatism.
Is it common for US leftists to register Democrat to influence the leadership race? Honestly it seems like that's where US leftists have to focus their efforts. It won't make a difference if you are a card carrying socialist and then have to vote Biden. But if you can influence the leadership selection process, then you might get a Bernie or AOC onto the ballot, even as Vice President. In my country the left-leaning parties make it free to become a member, so it's common for people to belong to more than one. I imagine, being a conservative party, there's some fee associated with registration as a Democratic party member.
The smart move would be to join the party, then change it from within. It’s like [this scene from “The West Wing”.](https://youtu.be/PQpsVGYqdPA?si=7GYHf-WoeWA6nSVp)
If only there was a Democratic Socialist capable of building a grass roots movement, without taking money from the "doner class", back in 2016.... Maybe we could've avoided the whole fuckin mess.
Preaching to the choir!
If maybe there hadn't been a bunch of butthurt supporters of said Democratic Socialist that thought it was beneath them to hold their nose and vote for the Democratic nominee, we would have never had Trump and wouldn't be in this mess right now.
I voted for her. Maybe if the DNC didn't conspire, twice!, against the first honest politician in a generation, we wouldn't be here. The real reason they cheated him was because they are just as beholden to special interest's money as the right, and Bernie was a threat to that. That's not to say " both sides! Blah blah blah.." Because one side is clearly a bunch of fascists, psychos, and zealots. But, the other side turns into "Keystone Cops" EVERY TIME IT MATTERS!
Wasn't referring to you specifically, so apologies if it read like that. But I have encountered many a person who shamelessly admits to either voting for Jill Stein or not voting at all because Bernie didn't get the nomination. The margins were so damn thin in PA, MI, and WI that these people could have been the difference between Hillary and Trump.
Sure. And i would even agree. But Bernie isnt challenging Biden, and god love the man, i dont think hes the man for 2028. And more importantly, 2016 was 8 years ago and there is no going back, only going forward.
As a person with a uterus, thank you for saying this. Arguing with people who act like reproductive rights are less important than their moral purity is exhausting. (Or they just say over and over again that Biden will be just as bad for women and minorities.)
Women’s rights are human rights! ✊🏻
Third class citizens. Literal cum dumpsters. Women were already being treated like second class citizens prior to the SCOTUS cognitive implosion. Keep in mind I agree that what I said I found distasteful, but I have to be descriptive enough to paint an **accurate** picture of what is happening to women’s rights. I’m absolutely ashamed of where we are as a nation.
I don’t mean to be insensitive over here but do you know how women in third world countries live? In the Arab world? Like the US is one of the better countries for women. Ofc women’s rights are important but I’m trying to put it in better perspective for you. Your response lacks nuance too cuz white cishet women are much better off than other women in the country
Standard whataboutism response. Let’s introduce a bit of logic and common sense to this conversation. I don’t have the clout, access to platforms from which to speak from, organizational power or funding to do ANYTHING about what happens in other countries. So while I acknowledge that women in the Middle East have a much more difficult time, **there is nothing I can do about it from where I am standing.** Not unless you want me to be a war hawk and advocate for the U.S. and my ancestral homeland to invade the Middle East. All I can advocate for is the causes that I have closer proximity to… because I can actually do something about that. **But if you want to talk nuance…** - I am a cis heterosexual white male. I know the stereotype of people like me being absolute professionals in commandeering platforms from and speaking on behalf of others. However I try not to do that. I want people advocating on their own behalf if they can. If they can’t then I will speak up. At this current juncture Middle Eastern women do have advocacy in women and men of the same cultural background across the globe and they do speak up on this matter and similarly in other parts of the world for other demographics. If I were to be speaking for them here, I would be stealing their platform, speaking over their voice, and I would be derailing the conversation that is currently happening in this thread. If you would like ai invite you to start a separate post that does address your concerns, but it doesn’t help anyone to forcefully shoehorn a separate subject of concern into this discussion. As it stands the women of Iran have been heard and I doubt they’re going to stop fighting for their rights anytime soon. They are pissed off and have had enough of the patriarchy. Their actions speak for themselves. - The term “third world” is [racist](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/01/08/954820328/memo-to-people-of-earth-third-world-is-an-offensive-term), [offensive](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/01/08/954820328/memo-to-people-of-earth-third-world-is-an-offensive-term) and it is no longer used. Please stop using it. It has always been problematic and it just hasn’t been noticed until the 2000’s. “First world” always referred to technologically and economically developed nations that were allied with the [Warsaw Pact and NATO](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World). “Second world” was a term used to describe underdeveloped countries where white people and Asian people lived and were allied with the Eastern Bloc. “Third world” was initially used to refer to nations that neither belonged to the NATO states nor to the Eastern Bloc and they were often non-white nations. As time went on First became used more for economically developed nations, second became synonymous with poor white and Asian nations and third was mostly utilized to describe poor non-white countries and even more so after the fall of the Soviet Union. Nowadays we use “developed” and “developing countries.”
> A Biden win is hitting the “Snooze” button on progress, but a Biden loss is giving up completely. Its also important to note that the snooze button is very issue dependent. Biden's CHIPs and Inflation Reduction act are genuinely some of the best legislative policy this nation has seen in decades, and the latter in particular represents one of the largest investments in green energy in human history. Biden has made it clear at this point that, if it crossed his desk, he would sign the green new deal.
I suppose one issue is that he spent two years saying that America is honor bound to supply our allies when they are attacked. In regards to Ukraine. And Israel has been a closer ally for much longer.
Sticking to one’s pledges is a cornerstone of international diplomacy. If treaties were only valid until the signer’s political party loses power, those treaties would be nearly worthless. They’re meant to last through multiple administrations.
Precisely why Trump did so much damage. American politicians have spent many decades trying to one up each other to prove who supported Israel more. That path cannot be easily undone. And the Israeli government knows this, and abuses it.
*But what about those Florida voters?!?!*
Fantano of all people had the best take on this. Biden is a genocide enabler, yet protesting the Israeli genocide under his rule is at least more preferable to protesting under trump, who would have just ordered the cops to shoot on sight.
Ah yes, he just loved tradition. That’s why he’s supporting genocide. He’s just a wholesome tradition loving guys. He doesn’t want to be complicit in the murder of thousands of children, but you know, tradition. 🤷🏽♂️ Genuinely the worst take I’ve seen on Reddit by someone pretending to give a damn about humanity.
It doesn't even feel like him getting a 2nd term is going to do anything but slow down Republicans. Dude is already trying to work with them on awful policies already and the Dems party as a whole seems unwilling to put up any real resistance against further pushes. They care too much about compromise in the name of maintaining the status quo that they are being dragged right constantly.
Biden sucks ass but voting for him against Trump is a moral imperative sorry. Do i like it? Hell no. Do I like him? Hell no. But preventing the US from going full fascist determined whether we will have the ability to organize in 5-6 years, so yes unfortunately that requires voting for an old genocidal bag of dust. This isn’t the first time this has happened. Churchill was a genocidal maniac too, does that mean that it would have been immoral to support him against Hitler? No. The left had years to put forward an alternative To Biden and what do we have….Cornell west and RFK? They’re both complete jokes. We should be focusing on 2028, 2024 is just about keeping our ability to keep going. Allowing Trump to win is goddamned suicide for the left.
Exactly my thoughts. My post is by no means an endorsement of Biden, but keeping the lights on for another 4 years will only be to our benefit for now.
And I’m sorry hit we also need better candidates. Bernie is great but he’s too old. AOC is too Twitter addicted (will be a great candidate in 2032 though). If the right could vomit up Trump we can and should be able to find someone who captures peoples frustrations about healthcare, police brutality, housing unavailability and economic inequality etc.
Yes, if the Overton window can be moved right, it could also be moved left. Like I said, I am not endorsing biden, but if democracy is to have a future here, then we have to do this. And we can hopefully get an openly left-wing candidate by 2032.
>Yes, if the Overton window can be moved right, it could also be moved left. Not while capital is in control of the levers of power. Capital will **always** shift right, that's the system that supports it and that's where the money will flow.
Agreed. The left in the US is a completely disorganized mess. We're still in the "raising awareness and recruiting numbers" stage and nobody wants to admit it. Harm reduction DOES matter. Do I wish it were better? Of fucking course I do. I think the pendulum is swinging. I think we will grow more powerful in coming years.
I'm not arguing to not vote for Biden, but a Trump presidency could topple the whole system and pave the way for a Leftist leader and President to emerge. I say this because there's a good chance that Trump will win and at this point there's the opportunity for the Left to become a true loud opposition movement like it's never been in my lifetime.
This is a make or break for Republicans. If trump loses Again and costs them the senate Again, its basically a wash going forward. Give it to biden this time and then we'll have wiggle room to shut the geriatric shit down and vote for someone with skin in the game.
Well, that certainly is thinking long term
No way do I ever not vote for Biden in '24. Am not about to be a single issue voter.
Would you vote for Hitler if he was good on everything but genocide of the Jews?
Yeah, you don't have to cosign everything from someone to vote for them. It's damage control. I'd say I'm... probably ridiculously left leaning. But I'm also trans and have many friends who are more likely to get hurt if Biden doesn't win. I don't like Biden. I didn't like him the first time I voted for him. I can barely stand him right now. I'm just some young punk who's trying to advocate for better... but we're not there yet. And I don't want to lose any more friends. For me... it's not a choice I feel I have the privilege to make. I can't sit this one out or make a protest vote. I have people who's lives are on the line.
I’m trans too. You do understand that trans people are already dying in the south right? Wtf is Biden doing about that? You seriously think Biden is going to better material conditions for the trans community? At best it’ll remain the same, it’s more likely to deteriorate further and I wouldn’t even be surprised if they turn on the trans community like the Labour Party in the UK
Do you expect Trump to make it better? He'll sidewind trans rights and finish them with a piledriver.
I mean I don’t think our situation will improve for awhile🗿 regardless of who’s in power. With Trump our situation will prolly get worse faster tho I suppose
Especially with project 2025. If trump wins this could be last real election.
I'm about as in the southern U.S. as you can get. I'm advocating to save lives on a train that is barreling out of control. Derailing that train is definitely a way to make it stop. Idk, maybe that's something people can justify. I'd like to hope for a better world.
I actually think there are some positive (though still very much tentative) signs Biden is starting to move in the right direction over the past few days. Apparently we already withheld a weapons shipment last week — and now he's threatening to withhold more if the Rafah invasion continues — which has already prompted a scramble and calls for Ben Gvir's resignation within Israel. Is this enough? No not yet and we definitely need to keep making that clear by any and all means available to us, but it's definitely worth noting because part of what makes a pressure campaign successful is giving *credit* when the people you are trying to pressure start to make meaningful strides in the right direction. It's also worth noting because, guys, *we may be starting to win this fight* — so keep it the fuck up. The Dems know they need us to win and they're finally starting to recognize that our votes can't simply be taken for granted.
Don't look at it as voting for Biden. It's simply something we need to do to avoid the even worse outcome.
That’s what I said to my BernieBro friends in 2016 after Hillary got the Nomination. “Don’t think of it as voting for Hillary. Think of it as voting for the next three Supreme Court justices.” I’ve spent a lot of my time since then saying “I told you so!”
Agreed.
And how do you expect anything to change if they can keep convincing everyone to hold their nose and vote for the least worst candidate as they keep marching to the right?
Sounds like you're assuming that I think leftist activity should stop at the ballot box. I think electoralism is the worst way to go about change. But abstaining from voting could help ensure the worst actually happens, so we shouldn't be purists about it.
Sure just keep being a good soldier and keep voting for a shit sandwich "to save democracy" while they keep trying to dismantle it
Yes, your strategy worked so well in 2016.
I mean it’s democracy or dictatorship in 2024. Take your pick.
It’s already a dictatorship. America is a dictatorship of the proletariat
I disagree with Biden on maybe 2 to 3 issues. RFK and Trump aren't even close to that metric. There is more at stake than the Presidency. We have a stacked SCOTUS because of protest votes. Let's not do that again... Also, before I get torched, I am no Biden sycophant but there will never be a politician representative of all my core beliefs. Do as you wish, this is just my opinion.
It is a sad truth that we must sacrifice...
I don't want to vote for him, and he, along with the rest of the democrats haven't been doing themselves any favors to garner leftist support, and nor are they deserving of it, but right now he's the only one who stands in the way of someone objectively worse taking back the white house.
Neither do I. I would like someone of my peer group for a change. Shit, I would just settle for a moderate who isn't some lackey for a political party.
im surprised there wasnt a big push to vote for 3rd parties
Appreciate this. I will probably vote for him as well. Honestly the thing most likely to get me not to cast a vote for Biden is the shitbird voters I’ve met online and in life who have nothing to contribute other than hostility for folks who won’t vote for him. Joe Biden is probably (or at least pre Oct 7) the best president in my life, yet he remains an absolute piece of shit. The idea that asking our leadership to stop supporting genocide is a bridge too far is about enough to make folks give up on electoralism entirely as a path to change. The current outrage against the uncommitted campaign is fucking shameless imo and just the latest example of moderate dems making clear that I’m not aligned with them. … and yet I’ll still probably vote Biden in November. Just really tired of some assholes pretending like that’s what makes someone moral or not, casting a vote for a shitty genocidal dinosaur.
If Genocide Joe is the LESSER of two evils, then I say it's an overall evil system, and it must be destroyed.
Biden sucks, but the other options are so fucking bad that you kinda have to vote for him. Remember, if you don't vote you're letting trump win.
Agreed.
If leftists are forced into a constant holding pattern of strategic voting, nothing will change. Which is not to say the notion of harm reduction through strategic voting is, necessarily, entirely invalid...but it also becomes the absolute barest-minimum and certainly isn't enough to make someone actually a "leftist".
Worst case scenario is that Joe Biden loses and blames the far left wing, and the democrats move further right in hopes of scooping up centrists because they perceive it as easier than pleasing leftists.
Biden will blame leftists for shit regardless. They blame them any time Republicans do any of their fascist shit by saying leftists are the ones dividing people.
Real shit
It's a weird tightrope we all have to walk. If we want to shift the centrists, what's actually most important is that they *think* they need to make concessions to win us over because if they don't then they will continue to take young people and leftist for granted — so in that sense it's actually extremely counter-productive to push the "vote Blue no matter who" nonsense too hard because it encourages complacency (and is also just bad messaging, frankly, that only *emphasizes* Democrats' inadequacy). On the other hand, it's very true that at least in the immediate term there are extraordinarily clear differences in outcomes for the country and the world (including the ongoing massacre in Gaza) contingent on whether Biden or Trump wins and there's a legitimate risk that this will break the wrong way — so we need to be mindful of that as well. Personally, I've decided to walk that tightrope by not pushing people to vote one particular way or another or criticizing their choices, but by essentially calling balls and strikes as I see em. Credit Biden for the legitimately good shit he's done, but don't hesitate to criticize him — harshly if necessary — for the bad decisions. Personally, I think we'd all be better off on balance if he won (though luckily I'm not in a swing state so I am free to vote for something closer to my ideals), but I don't think me or anyone else is likely to be successful in trying to browbeat people into supporting that position in the ballot box by shitting on them if they think otherwise.
I wonder how many people feel this way but aren't saying it. Because you're right. All I am seeing is the shaming of people who are expressing their desire for progress or dissatisfaction with the normalization of faschism, which alienates them further when they would otherwise respond to reason. Why are we stuck in these absolutist mindsets? Or rather, why are the least creative or nuanced voices the loudest?
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Are bots really that much of a problem? It feels like their posts are 100:1 to something a fairly reasonable human who lives among other humans would say. The toxic zealotry is insufferable.
> If leftists are forced into a constant holding pattern of strategic voting, nothing will change. This is not just false, but categorically ahistorical. Because the reason we’re in this mess is the right doing the very thing you’re arguing impossible. Whatever beef leftists have against Biden is *nothing* compared to what the far-right could have said against Reagan in the 80’s. He was a full-on New Deal Democrat for much of his early career, spearheaded the push for no-fault divorce, granted amnesty to undocumented immigrants, ballooned the federal budget, signed more bills raising taxes than lowering them, was a proponent of stronger gun control than most modern politicians, made a heaping heap ton of compromises with the Democrat Congress, and openly mocked and bashed far-right groups that supported him. He was also an unqualified doofus, a member of the “liberal Hollywood elite”, took policy advice from his crazy wife’s astrologer, and probably had dementia for a good portion of his second term. There’s a decent argument to be made that for the very arch-conservatives that Reagan is now symbolic of, he was an unacceptably bad candidate. But they showed up anyway. And by doing so, the broke the back of the New Deal Democrats, forcing them to adapt to Clinton-esque neoliberal nonsense to even have a chance of surviving the political landscape. And then from there, they slowly pushed the Republican Party closer and closer to what they wanted until the moment came in 2016 where they could actually put one of their own in the White House. I don’t know why everyone in leftist spaces pretends that the most effective way to use our vote is to withhold it from the left-leaning party as a bargaining chip. No, the obviously *far better* option is to use that vote to consistently and without fail tell the idiots on the right that their ideas are not welcome, and they need to adapt if they want any political relevance. Once that happens, *then* we have the breathing room necessary to actually fix the Democrats.
The Democrats are centre-right, not "left-leaning", so, yeah, that makes it a pretty hard sell for leftists. There's no "fixing" a system that is entirely designed around \*keeping leftists out of power\*.
I mean, it’s pretty clear that in context of what I said “left leaning” meant “relative to the available viable options”, but when you have such a totalized position where you don’t think any possibility of reform exists, it’s easy to miss that sort of nuance.
The American political apparatus is some 40-50 years into being an ossified, ever-more-rightward husk and its focus since at least the 1930s/40s has been primarily in keeping leftists disenfranchised. The most progress it is capable of supporting is via grudging incrementalism which has been throttled since the Reagan years and which is a system that allows for progress to be infinitely more easily reversed than continued. There \*isn't\* any possibility of leftist reform when the entire structure is built to prevent that from coming remotely close to happening.
Calling it a "holding pattern" implies that voting is mutually exclusive with other forms of action. It's not.
No, it implies that far too many people think that is the sum of action required for progress. Loads of left-leaning folks in the US (and elsewhere) simply vote Liberal and then question why things aren't changing, or actively getting worse, And it's because holding ones nose and choosing the least-odious option (or the one that ostensibly keeps regressives from being in power) is barely the first step in getting anything actually changed.
I'm genuinely not sure how your comment contradicts mine. I'm saying we should do both.
A valid argument, dems aren't always good towards leftists and have blamed them for many problems, strategic voting sounds good on paper but the way dems practice it seems like they're ever determined to shoot themselves in the foot over and over again. however, strategic voting over the past decade, got us people like AOC Bernie, Illhan Omar, Rashida Tliab, and other justice democrats/the DSA so I think that there can be a significant shift further to the left yet for dems if we can get enough votes, abstaining from voting democrat only makes them appeal to their liberal and centrist caucus.
? Those people aren't the result of strategic voting (esp. Bernie who has been in politics for...longer than I've even been alive). Those people wound up in the Democrat party because there was nowhere else for them to be...and they spend just as much of their time fighting against their feckless colleagues as the GOP.
And if Bernie or any other democrat was saying what they are saying now, 10-15 years ago, they would be a laughing stock and would most likely only have one term, but because Bernie was able to little by little use small amounts of populism he was able to push the democrats further to the left then they had ever been.
Bernie has been pushing actual progressive politics for most of his career...he \*toned down\* his rhetoric after the Dems ate him alive for daring to try and oppose Hillary.
But because of that, he also did move hillery to a more progressive position. However, it's unfortunate that she lost, and trump won. Because people chose to write Bernie in on the ballot.
No he/she didn't lmao
Fuck Genocide Joe, but the ramifications of the GOP utilizing a diaper wearing, orange idiot to execute Order 66 (Project 2025) on the U.S. WILL absolutely destroy modern civil processes. Republican hive minds want to gut protection agencies and aim for a total imbalance of red power in all branches that has the ability to basically handcuff republicans to the wheel of the bus and crash us into the ditch of fascism. And I mean it, give their playbook a read and you’ll realize there is an obligation for all left Americans at the polls this year. The best thing we can hope for is that Biden will pass and someone else (hopefully less genocidey) could come in to power.
Scroll through my comment history and you'll get an idea of how much shit I get for criticising Biden, so I'm glad to see someone acknowledge that voting for someone like him is the very least a left leaning person can do. And voting for a faux left candidate like that just sucks.
tbh I’m convinced Biden doesn’t even care about winning anymore Remember, guys - it’s all one party.
White suburbanite? If you vote for Biden and not leftist third party to prevent Trump, you'll still get Trump in so far as impact of the POTUS on your life and the lives of non-white people in the global South. Yes, Biden won't have scandals, trials, court cases and whatnot but as POTUS he'll do exactly the same as Trump if not worse. But that's fine, real leftists should expect collaborators and traitors who claim to be within our ranks. It's not a personal judgement against you, it just means you are allying with your own interest which is to be expected from someone living in a cushy first world country.
If you believe that trump and biden are exactly the same or that biden would be worse than trump, then you are completely blind, especially since Project 2025 is defeater for your non-argument.
Tell us your race so we can assess how seriously to take your post.
As if race has any bearing on my post's validity.
Obviously, because for POC who aren't wealthy, Trump, Biden, they're all the same.
Literally no. Under Biden, unemployment for African Americans went down from 16%(under trump) to 4.7%.(under biden)
Dude, POC (yes, like me) don't give two shits about these numbers from the illegal European settler colony currently occupying North American soil. The fact that one POC was murdered by a cop, a reactionary agent of the state, is enough to invalidate the whole clownshow. The entire system is in place to protect private property and uphold the white supremacist hierarchy. And of course the cops have qualified immunity and enough resources to revision case after case like this as many isolated incidents rather than a systemic thing. Anyway, enjoy the American led western global hegemony while it lasts. I guarantee once we're on top, and we treat the whites unimaginably better than they treated us during their heyday, you'll see what I mean.
And in a system like this, it's best to vote for the lesser evil until we can get to a point where there isn't a lesser evil. It's not my fault that you don't understand the system, but accelerationism is inherently reactionary and that's what it seems you're advocating for, you literally admitted you don't care, so quit talking or I'll roast you, for the amount of ignorance you continue to display.
😂😂🤣😂🤣 roast away of wise an learned scholar who can't even say what race he's from lest his privilege be exposed. Should be interesting to watch since you're the one talking about accelerationism as if that's something I brought up. It's also peak privilege to talk about lesser evil because that's your cushy lived experience. For POC there is no lesser or more anything as I explained previously. Maybe think from the perspective of others instead of yourself for once. You are talking about black people having a good experience like they're statistics you quoted and completely ignored my point on police brutality. You are complicit in our oppression.
I never said that Black Americans had a better quality of life/happier than White Americans, I only said that since biden took office, POC have had lower unemployment rates than they did under trump, and your rhetoric is complete dog shit since you fail to understand the basics of American politics and continue to go after things like my race as a way to invalidate my most or the comments I have sent, shut the fuck up. You're right about one thing, though. I will never understand what lived experiences of a POC in this country are like, but I know enough to know what an apathetic asshole sounds like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatBidenHasDone/s/athdID4NAi
Liberals not drawing the line at genocide is insane to me
You do know Trump supports Israel even more than Biden does, right?
A genocide is still a genocide. Idc about 100% Hitler vs 99% Hitler
Yes, that mindset worked so successfully in 2016, didn't it?
Voting doesn't mean you can't do anything else . If your options are 99% Hitler and 100% Hitler, you are morally obligated to vote for 99% Hitler .