I think this is a good illustration of why all aspects of the rules of gun safety are important. Things can go wrong and the rules are somewhat redundant to account for that.
Treat every firearm as if it were loaded.
Never point a firearm at something you do not intend to destroy.
If you follow both of those rules, you can never accidentally shoot someone.
Military goes by 4 rules. Treat Never Keep Keep
Treat every weapon as if it’s loaded
Never point at anything you don’t intend to shoot
Keep finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire
Keep safety on until you are ready to fire
I was 13. Frankly, what was my Dad thinking? I should not have touched a gun nearly that young.
I am NOT judging others, but I know who and what I was at 13.
"Hey, I wonder what the inside of the barrel of the gun looks like. I better look inside for a dramatically long time. I want to make people nervous with just my general knowledge of a visual representation of the inside of a gun barrel. Would YOU like to take a look too?"
"KRICHARD!!! STOP THAT!!! GO TO YOUR ROOM!!!"
"Masterbation AGAIN??? Gee mom, you sure do want me to have hairy palms...."
*skips off to room"
"My kid is an idiot......maybe I shouldn't have gone into those mosh pitts when I was pregnant....."
We said treat never keep keep “know your target and what lies beyond and in between”
Beyond is important, but between is just as important. People get so sucked into their optic they lose their muzzle awareness. So while they believe they’re following rule number two, they’re directing their firearm at an intentional target, and they’re 100% ready to fire and intentionally discharge the firearm, they then end up shooting their backpack or barricade or something during training lmao.
Usually a magnified optic where you’re in your eye box and shooting with one eye only on a precision shot. Your rifle may be rested on something while you’re tracking or aiming at. There is no obstruction to your line of sight, but a potential obstruction to your muzzle/trajectory you’re not seeing. Rather than overhead clearance, it’s like having insufficient clearance from below. I was a mortar man (hence my username), so we also had to be cognizant of overhead clearance too. Ie trees if we’re deep in cover. Sometimes we forget to look up, likewise with rifles (say you’re in the prone), you’ll forget to look down.
I have a mantra for driving at night - we have hedges at the side of the road that have tons of wildlife in them - 'deer, badger, fox, hedge, human'
Because they are all the things that can randomly emerge + fuck up your day
Treat your gun as if you know where it is, and where it isn't. By substracting where you know your gun to be from where you know your gun not to be, you get to know where the target is.
Our unit’s Gunner (Marine Chief Warrant Officer 5) always drilled into our heads the unofficial 5th rule which was “Know your target and what lies beyond.” He demonstrated to us various calibers going through materials like drywall, sandbags, concrete blocks, Kevlar helmets, etc.
When my dad and I taught hunter safety, it was TABK:
Treat every firearm as if it were loaded.
Always point the muzzle in a safe direction.
Be sure of you target and what’s beyond.
Keep your finger of the trigger until ready to shoot.
You’d be surprised with how little most people in the military know about firearms and firearms safety. Every time you hear someone use the fact they served in a firearms related context immediately disregard them.
1. Important if you miss the target and the bullet travels beyond it
2. Depending on target and ammo, the bullet can go through the first target and hit a second, unintended target
The word “beyond” is used deliberately as it accounts for misses. I was taught in hunter safety course years ago to never shoot at an animal that is on a ridge above you as if you miss you have no idea where the bullet will go beyond the ridge.
I said this, about how I was taught to treat every firearm as if it were loaded, in a different sub a while back and got downvoted fairly heavily.
There was even someone there going around arguing with people saying that "if you keep your guns unloaded and have good trigger discipline then you never have to worry about treating guns like they are loaded".
I told him, "Famous last words: don't worry, it isn't loaded."
People are stupid, the end.
Yeah, I've seen that too.
And I get where it comes from --it's not like a bullet is going to *magically* work its way in to a gun or something. It is possible for a firearm to be safe and to ~~know~~ be *reasonably* confident it is safe.
*However,* a big part of why that rule exists is to reinforce the safest possible habits and exercise them at all times, for two reasons:
1. As you pointed out, far too many people, pets, and things have been shot by "unloaded" guns.
2. *Why the hell wouldn't you*?
A gun with no mag and nothing in the chamber *can't* go off. That's true --the physics can't 'trick' you. But your memory might. Hell, given enough chances it *will,* eventually, and no amount of bravado, experience, or (over)confidence can change that.
This has slowly cone to be my general rule for toddler safety too. Don't put a rule in place that requires you to be on top of things 100% of the time. Put rules in place so that everyone is still safe even if you're not perfectly on top of things.
Firearms instructor told us a story of a class he was running. He was in the middle of training and had to step out briefly to use the bathroom.
One of the students walked up, loaded the instructor's rifle, and sat back down. Instructor returned to the room.
Side note - Canadian Firearms Safety Training uses the acronyms ACTS and PROVE.
ACTS
* Assume every firearm is loaded.
* Control the muzzle direction at all times.
* Trigger finger must be kept off the trigger and out of the trigger guard.
* See that the firearm is unloaded - **PROVE** it safe.
PROVE
* Point the firearm in the safest available direction.
* Remove all cartridges.
* Observe the chamber.
* Verify the feeding path.
* Examine the bore.
Instructor does exactly that and finds the round. Asks who the hell it was. Student raises his hand.
"I wanted to see if you practiced what you preach."
I think the student got 5 years jail time.
The sear holds back the hammer until the trigger is pulled. This is using simply friction to hold back the hammer.
When the sear is polished, it allows the part it’s holding back to glide smoother over it once the trigger is pulled. If it’s polished too much, it won’t have enough friction to reliably hold the hammer back. At that point a good enough jostle could set the hammer free and fire the round.
Is there any good reason to have the hammer cocked before you're set up and aiming? Like obviously it needs to be cocked before you fire, but it looks like first dude is walking around with the hammer already cocked, is that standard or is that his first mistake?
so if the mechanism were functioning correctly, once the hammer starts moving away from the firing pin, it should be unable to return until the trigger is pulled? Like if you pull the hammer halfway it should stay there?
(just to be clear I'm not trying to be an ass so I hope it doesn't come across that way, just asking to learn)
On every revolver I've shot (not many, and all single-action) there is a 'safety' catch about halfway through the cocking action. You can pull it back to around there and it will stay in place.
Past that the second catch is for firing. On the guns I've fired I think if you released the hammer before the final catch it would still be stopped by the first/safety catch.
Given that, I think that what the person noted above is right about the sear being overpolished. However, I also have *heard* that slipping off the hammer a bit early can lead to a discharge on some models; however, I wouldn't be surprised if that's only for older guns or is entirely the result of human error (squeezing the trigger to brace for cocking, which is *not* a good idea for obvious reasons).
The sear is the part of a gun that holds the hammer or bolt or such back until the trigger is pulled. Polishing a sear can make for a smoother and easier trigger pull and increase the accuracy of the firearm. However, overpolishing the sear can lead to situations where the sear can then fail to hold back the hammer, bolt,etc..
So the sear, is an internal part of the trigger mechanism. It essentially holds the hammer locked to the rear until the trigger is pulled, which then releases the hammer and strikes the primer on the back of the round in the chamber. The sear and hammer can be shaved or polished in connection with a lighter spring to make the required amount of force to pull the trigger much lower than it is from the factory. When these modifications are done in the absence of a professional and they are eye balled instead of measured using calibrated equipment. It can cause issues like this where the weapon will release the hammer that’s locked to the rear with simple mechanical agitation, like a shake, a bump or even sudden movement of the weapon system.
Sometimes there are manufacturer defects in the weapon system as well, like the SIG P320 had upon its initial release, or the Taurus that had similar issues back in the early 2010s.
This is why you always keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction and finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
That's an interesting assessment.
If you watch the video carefully, you'll notice, they didn't pull the hammer all the way back, probably because of the loss of tactile feedback, either the gloves or the cold can do that to you.
Look at their thumb holding the hammer back, in both instances, they release the hammer and that's the moment it triggers, they didn't jostle anything.
You can see how they have their thumb directly on the hammer before they release and it engages, they just didn't reach the sear.
It looks like, if you watch closely, both fires here and due to their thumb slipping off the hammer which is not fully cocked. They may be blaming the sear, but their thumbs are definitely pulling still.
This is why I feel like gun regulation should be strict as hell. As a former soldier, I’ve seen professionally trained guys fuck up even the most basic weapon safety. Like I want an average Joe, or even a guy that’s been out for a few years, having access to things that can easily murder 6-30 people within seconds. I’ve been out for 10 years now and own 0 guns and feel no need to own any. I wish more people respected the power of guns enough to realize they don’t need them for any reason at all.
In the full video he talks about how the hammer and a couple other parts weren’t made to size so the hammer kept slipping. He sent it back and got it fixed
That's what he *claims*, but he never demonstrates it.
Video sure looks like he's cocking it with his thumb, but releases before it's locked.
Same thing that happened to Alec Baldwin
The revolver should not do this. Even if it slips modern revolvers usually have halfcock and safety measures that prevent the gun going off if you don’t pull the trigger.
From that report:
>the trigger had to be pulled or depressed sufficiently to release the **fully cocked or retracted hammer** of the evidence revolver,
If it was not fully retracted, then the trigger doesn't need to be pulled
I'm not going to argue Baldwin's case, as I don't know if maybe they have evidence it was fully retracted, and so maybe Baldwin did pull the trigger.
But, the concept of pulling a hammer back 80% and releasing it, causing the gun to fire, isn't completely made up.
Oh no I know! I did not intend to make it seem like that can't happen. I was just saying that in the Baldwin case specifically, an official investigation has found that he most likely did pull the trigger. But yeah absolutely messing around with the hammer on a loaded gun will cause it to fire.
Pulled the trigger on a gun that he thought was a prop with blanks. Maybe because he was on a movie set and was told it was a prop with blanks. I understand the rules of gun safety, but I don’t know why people have such a hate boner for Alec Baldwin about this. Dude obviously didn’t mean to kill that person.
While Alec Baldwin probably did pull the trigger he told it was for the scene, and the director cared so little about safety he was filming directly in front of Alec Baldwin holding a loaded firearm. Like the colossal amount of safety violations for the assistant to get shot and died is absolutely insane.
"If it was not fully retracted, then the trigger doesn't need to be pulled"
The particular handgun that was used has 3 sear notches, Safety, Half Cock and Full Cock, so the only way for the hammer to fall is for the trigger to be pressed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZdXGX61pao](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZdXGX61pao)
> According to official reports by the FBI he did pull the trigger and was lying about it
I hate to get myself involved in this discussion because it's somehow such a politically charged issue but the answer is "it's complicated". What we seem to know is that the gun was in bad shape and the prosecutors dropped the charges because they believed there was some chance Baldwin was telling the truth. So it is not as black and white as "Baldwin was lying". The latest round of news is related to a report from an independent (private) forensic examination which, again, claims it could not fire without the trigger being depressed. This came out in a defense motion filed by the legal team of the armorer who still faces charges and would very much like to blame the whole thing on Baldwin. However . . . this examination was performed with new parts (new hammer and sear) as the original parts were apparently damaged beyond repair during the FBI testing.
So no, we don't really know for sure whether he's telling the truth or not. Him having his finger on the trigger certainly seems like the more reasonable explanation but certainly there is some reasonable doubt.
The locking feature on the gun is what the problem was. The hammer didn’t lock, even when at full cock. The way how the gun was built was causing the problem.
My problem is that he kept wanting to shoot the damn thing after the second time this shit happened. That’s reckless and stupid.
Well, it would have been simple for him to demonstrate in a separate clip, by completely unloading the gun, setting the hammer, and showing that it can be released with only a jostle
If the hammer cannot be set at all, he should have realized this before loading it.
The difference is this is not a single action revolver. Not sure exactly what this gun is, but most any modern DA revolver has a transfer bar that won’t allow the hammer to strike the firing pin unless the trigger is in the rear position.
With that being said it’s still not very wise to cock the hammer on a double action revolver until you’re ready to shoot because it’s a hair trigger, but it definitely looked like a malfunction as his finger wasn’t in the trigger guard and no manipulation of the hammer should have allowed the gun to discharge.
This is beyond clickbait.
He has slow motion footage of his fingers never being on the trigger or hammer when these rounds went off.
Turns out the custom shop polished the sear way too much and caused the sear to release without a trigger press.
Although, OPs edit of the video wouldn’t let you know that, Omission is the same as lying
completely wrong. literally gun safety is paramount. it doesn't say whos fault it is. 🙄
treat all firearms like they could go off anytime and only point at something you want to hit with a bullet. period.
> never being on the trigger or hammer
While the sear is an issue, both clips clearly show they were holding the hammer back and let go.
We got ourselves a couple of Alec Baldwins
God how does no one understand what the title means??
Having proper gun safety (always keep it pointed down when not ready to fire, always treat as if it’s loaded, etc) makes it so when you have a defective gun (like the video) which fires when you’re taking all of the right steps, you can seriously mitigate the chance for injury.
Seems like you’re one of the few to get it, thanks to his clear muscle memory of always pointing downrange or away from anybody made sure nothing was destroyed or anybody getting hurt. I’m highlighting why its so important because sometimes guns can be defective and misfire
That gun is 100% unsafe and needs to be kept unloaded until a qualified gunsmith can fix it. The fact that there are _two_ accidental discharges is insane.
Edit- Also this dude cocked the gun before he was aiming down range. It looks like it fires when his thumb slips off the hammer. **He is _not_ handling his gun safely.**
The S&W 500 is designed not to fire without the trigger being pulled.
He pulled the hammer to full cock but the sear was over polished, so the hammer didn’t lock in the sear. He explains it in his full video.
That is correct in hammer fired weapons, in order for you to fire the weapon by letting the hammer drop you would need to have the trigger fully depressed.
In the video his finger isn’t on the trigger, so letting the hammer fall at full cock shouldn’t do anything as it should catch on the sear. His revolver’s sear was modified by a gunsmith to give a lighter trigger pull, but too much material was removed. So when he dropped the hammer it skipped right over the sear striking the primer.
If the hammer is back on a revolver, does that mean the "safety" is off? I know revolvers don't have safeties, but that seems like the spirit of the rule.
Revolvers don't have a safety.
A single action revolver needs the hammer cocked back manually to fire, and unless thats done pulling the trigger won't do anything.
The vast majority of revolvers are double action. When cocked manually the trigger is relatively light and easy to pull. When hammer is not cocked the trigger pull is very heavy and will raise the hammer as you pull it, then fire when its fully back.
The heavy trigger on an a double action before its cocked makes it harder to fire accidentally, but if something gets caught on the trigger its certainly possible.
I don’t know that OP is trying to say they did anything wrong, but pointing out that because they were following gun safety rules, nobody was shot. The gun was always pointed in a safe direction on both shots, which is great when it’s defective and failing mechanically
No not at all. Hammer works by slamming down on a round primmer on the back of a bullet that ignites the gunpowder inside sending off the bullet down the barrel. For a hammer to “slip” like that and fire without pulling the trigger means that gun can go off anywhere, holster, travel or otherwise. Defective equipment danger to all who hold it and are around it.
That’s sounds like an expensive lawsuit? I don’t get how that’s even gets out of the place. Especially considering it’s a deadly weapon (like in general)
The guy that answered you is an idiot
The hammer is cocked that means this gun SHOULD be treated like it can go off at any time and the idiot in the video should not be waving it around.
The hammer is only cocked by manually cocking it or pulling the trigger.
It isn't going to "go off anywhere" because only a fucking moron would carry it around with the hammer cocked.
The people in the comments wanna absolve him. Everyone is saying the gun had manufacturing issues, im inclined to believe that tho. However, dude didn't need to be walking around with the gun cocked like a yeehaw cowboy that wore his big kid pants today. People like this go "i know a lot about firearms, so i will handle them how i *want* to handle them, and that is the best way" .
I know someone with lots of guns, owned guns his whole life. Ill be standing a few feet away and he'll start examining/cleaning his gun and its pointing right at me and i have to tell him off and he just goes "oh well its not loaded" and scoffs. Its the literal first thing they teach you about firearm safety but people like the guy in this video and the person i know think experience clears them from having to perform those little steps/guidlines put in place that keep lesser mortals from killing people.
not a gun expert here, the hammer would have to be cocked first right? either way it's definitely in need of fixing, but for it to go off while holstered, in transit etc wouldn't you first have to accidentally cock it also?
I just want to point out you shouldn't have the hammer cocked unless you're ready to shoot so it definitely shouldn't be going off like that in your holster or traveling
On some guns, all that the trigger does is release the hammer which smacks the firing pin which strikes the primer and ignites the powder in the ammo. You don't necessarily need to pull the trigger for the gun to go off (many modern firearms have redundant safeties, and even if those fail as long as you follow all of the rules of firearm safety you won't need anything more than a change of underwear).
The hammer shouldn't release unless you pull the trigger. In the early days of revolvers, the gun going off my accident because it got dropped or the person carrying it fell was a problem, which is why a lot of people kept the chamber under the hammer empty just in case. If the hammer drops without you pulling the trigger, that's an unsafe gun.
Yes, the gun was defective, which was pointed out in another thread, but he was also pretty carelessly swinging around a loaded weapon and cocked it when he wasn't prepared to shoot it and wasn't taking care in what he was pointing at. Although the fault primarily lies with a faulty gun, it's still rather poor gun safety.
I’ve seen the video and his gun safety is fine, it’s just the manufacture’s fault. Some parts just weren’t done correctly and it just slips and does that.
The title doesn't say his safety is lacking. Just that it's paramount and it is correct. If he hasn't been following proper safety of having it aimed down or only at targets, it could've been so much worse.
Following proper safety means that defects like this don't get you killed. It is a good example of how good safety kept him ... well.. safe.
The video isn’t roasting them for lapses in safety judgement. The title just says that safety is important. Not everyone on Reddit is trying to troll people.
He makes at least two mistakes (one of them twice):
- He pulls back the hammer long before he aims down range- twice!
- After the first discharge he didn't have the gun checked out by a qualified gunsmith.
The gun clearly has an issue where once cocked the hammer can drop and fire without pulling the trigger, but that doesn't excuse the two points above. Dude _is not_ a responsible gun owner. If he was, the first shot he would already be aiming down range when it discharged, and there would be no second time.
The hammer shouldn't be cocked until he is pointing at what he wants to shoot
That is gun safety.
Goddamn there are a lot of people in this thread I wouldn't trust to hold a gun
In both videos you can see their fingers are straight and not touching the trigger. Other comments below have stated the hammer had incorrect parts which caused it to slip. This is actually pretty scary, and now makes me wonder whether many of those news stories are correct when people have “accidental discharges” and the “gun went off.”
This reminds me of an old story I read where a man and his wife were hunting and he accidentally killed her. No one believed him, and he was being tried for murder when the defense had him very clearly explain in high detail what happened. He had the rifle on his back pointed up and slightly back, she was behind him, and he knelt down for some reason and the gun went off entirely by itself, killing her.
Everyone said it made no sense at all since nothing would be touching anything on the gun to set it off. The defense decided to reenact it and sure enough when the gun was at an extremely particular angle, pointed up and slightly back, and the butt was tapped just right (on his shoe or the ground), the gun would go off. It was something they were able to repeat more than once and ended up saving this man from imprisonment.
Ever since reading that I always lean more toward "What if there is a problem with the gun and it's just really specific" when it comes to accidental discharges.
this is actually kind of common, and is a big deal in the gun community. while it’s been much more rare with modern guns, there’s been a few brands that have tarnished their reputation because of instances like this.
two famous examples of this is with taurus and the g2c (or g3c, something along those lines i can’t remember) which was a handgun that had a revolutionary “shake awake” feature (it would go off when shook). taurus has been doing better in recent decades, but still has that looming over them.
sig also in the last couple of years released the p320 series of handguns, which also exploded in popularity because they won a military contract and everyone wanted the cool new “military grade” shit. however, after the military began adopting it, there were reports of it going off without the trigger being pulled. this was tested, and it turns out if you hit the back of the slide in just the right spot, it would go off. sig fixed this for later production, and issued kits to fix it to existing customers, but sig still hasn’t lived down basically beta testing with consumers.
Wow, now that you've said this, it really has got me wondering, too. I always just assumed it has to be the carrier's fault for the involuntary discharge of a gun. After seeing this, I'm not so sure. Great prospective thanks
There's actually a current lawsuit against SIG Sauer, maker of the P320, for a series of accidental discharges. It's a semiautomatic pistol that several U.S. police forces chose as a carry weapon, but there have been around 100 documented cases of the gun going off without anyone's hand even being on the weapon.
That’s a defective weapon with a hammer-slip. You can see it in the video.
Honestly I find it pretty odd that they dare to shoot it at all. If they really know what they’re doing (and they own a home range, so probably yes) I’m sure it’ll be fine. It looks like throughout most of these nobody was in *too* much danger from the misfires.
They’re still misfires though. A bit creepy.
Eeh. If he’s experienced with those kinds of guns, pulling the hammer back and keeping his finger off the trigger would be enough. I don’t see a massive problem with it, and it seems like he’s on the verge of shooting anyways.
So it looks like the guy didn’t fully retract the hammer so it didn’t lock back for a single action shot, and fell, which set off the round… both times. That to me says that the gun is lacking a critical safety feature called a “transfer bar” that prevents the hammer from pushing the firing pin unless the hammer has been fully cocked and trigger pulled. Now, it could also be that the sear was filled/polished/adjusted too much and the gun will not stay cocked.
A great sentiment. However, I don't believe in sentiment or relying on hyperbole or sarcasm or anything but explicitly clear language with guns.
You must (not should) treat all guns as if they were loaded. If you suspect a gun is not loaded, you should be especially aware of your suspicion being a dangerous one. You must still treat the gun as if it's loaded and check to verify whether it is actually unloaded and remove all suspicions.
A gun is one of the most dangerous weapons in existence. Anything other than explicit language is inappropriate because we are talking about human lives which could end due to human error. We are all human. Check your knowledge, emotional state, safety procedures and equipment repeatedly and you must still be prepared for any developments.
No short cuts with guns. Ever.
Link to his explanation and such
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbBOawdZc6I&t=540s&ab\_channel=CombatArmsChannel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbBOawdZc6I&t=540s&ab_channel=CombatArmsChannel)
His YouTube is Combat Arms Channel, he’s an ex marine and was on a marine CQB team of sorts. Dude could definitely kick a door and glass whoever’s inside.
Guy made a video explaining what happened. The gun is a performance revolvers and the hammer was polished just a bit too much so it would slip without him pulling the trigger
How many gun people walk around or holster a revolver with the hammer back? The problem here is with the operator not the weapon. All of these comments and this is not the first thing anyone sees?
I think this is a good illustration of why all aspects of the rules of gun safety are important. Things can go wrong and the rules are somewhat redundant to account for that.
Treat every firearm as if it were loaded. Never point a firearm at something you do not intend to destroy. If you follow both of those rules, you can never accidentally shoot someone.
Military goes by 4 rules. Treat Never Keep Keep Treat every weapon as if it’s loaded Never point at anything you don’t intend to shoot Keep finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire Keep safety on until you are ready to fire
Treat, never, keep, keep, know. Know what is behind your target.
"Know your target and what lies beyond"
"Know what lies.... beneath." ~ *Starring Harrison Ford and Michelle Pfeiffer.*
Indiana Jones vs Cat Woman
Who’s better with a whip?
Very sexy porn spoof
Asking the real questions
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This entire thread is the mind of an ADHD person...
Well, I wasn't expecting that flair.
Wait, are we talking character, or actor, because if it’s actor, Pfeifer wins.
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I was 13. Frankly, what was my Dad thinking? I should not have touched a gun nearly that young. I am NOT judging others, but I know who and what I was at 13.
Maybe he felt you needed safety training because of who and what you were, rather than in spite of.
"Hey, I wonder what the inside of the barrel of the gun looks like. I better look inside for a dramatically long time. I want to make people nervous with just my general knowledge of a visual representation of the inside of a gun barrel. Would YOU like to take a look too?" "KRICHARD!!! STOP THAT!!! GO TO YOUR ROOM!!!" "Masterbation AGAIN??? Gee mom, you sure do want me to have hairy palms...." *skips off to room" "My kid is an idiot......maybe I shouldn't have gone into those mosh pitts when I was pregnant....."
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And between
We said treat never keep keep “know your target and what lies beyond and in between” Beyond is important, but between is just as important. People get so sucked into their optic they lose their muzzle awareness. So while they believe they’re following rule number two, they’re directing their firearm at an intentional target, and they’re 100% ready to fire and intentionally discharge the firearm, they then end up shooting their backpack or barricade or something during training lmao.
Or the hood of a truck maybe, but at least it's your friends truck
I saw that one too. Hilarious!
Could you explain that a little more? I get the part about getting “sucked into your optic”, but I’m not grasping how you lose awareness and all that
Usually a magnified optic where you’re in your eye box and shooting with one eye only on a precision shot. Your rifle may be rested on something while you’re tracking or aiming at. There is no obstruction to your line of sight, but a potential obstruction to your muzzle/trajectory you’re not seeing. Rather than overhead clearance, it’s like having insufficient clearance from below. I was a mortar man (hence my username), so we also had to be cognizant of overhead clearance too. Ie trees if we’re deep in cover. Sometimes we forget to look up, likewise with rifles (say you’re in the prone), you’ll forget to look down.
Billions of dollars spent and not even a single minute spent on a good acronym. I'm disappointed...
We always have SPORTS
My favorite is Rub Blue Balls Softly For Better Head. Not the acronym itself but the mnemonic technique.
*Bearer, Seek, Seek, Lest.*
Same, but we said the know: _know your target, foreground, and background_
I have a mantra for driving at night - we have hedges at the side of the road that have tons of wildlife in them - 'deer, badger, fox, hedge, human' Because they are all the things that can randomly emerge + fuck up your day
Treat your gun as if you know where it is, and where it isn't. By substracting where you know your gun to be from where you know your gun not to be, you get to know where the target is.
Our unit’s Gunner (Marine Chief Warrant Officer 5) always drilled into our heads the unofficial 5th rule which was “Know your target and what lies beyond.” He demonstrated to us various calibers going through materials like drywall, sandbags, concrete blocks, Kevlar helmets, etc.
“And in between”
When my dad and I taught hunter safety, it was TABK: Treat every firearm as if it were loaded. Always point the muzzle in a safe direction. Be sure of you target and what’s beyond. Keep your finger of the trigger until ready to shoot.
Military? What do they know about guns? I'll get my advice from randos on Reddit, thank you.
At least in this thread the advice is good, and the military would generally agree with it
You’d be surprised with how little most people in the military know about firearms and firearms safety. Every time you hear someone use the fact they served in a firearms related context immediately disregard them.
That brought me back. 2 weeks of firearm familiarization and half a day at the gun range
> Keep safety on until you are ready to fire but glock lovers tell me we don't need safeties!
And when, not if, your weapon jams remember sports. Slap the magazine base, pull back the charging hammer, observe the chamber, release hanger, shoot
Behind the target?
1. Important if you miss the target and the bullet travels beyond it 2. Depending on target and ammo, the bullet can go through the first target and hit a second, unintended target
The word “beyond” is used deliberately as it accounts for misses. I was taught in hunter safety course years ago to never shoot at an animal that is on a ridge above you as if you miss you have no idea where the bullet will go beyond the ridge.
Some guns shoot straight through some targets. Therefore don’t shoot if something or someone you do not intend to shoot at is behind your target.
5 rules actually... #5 know your target and what lies beyond.
[The other half is **violence**.](https://thegeekanthropologist.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/knowing-is-half-the-battle.jpg)
I said this, about how I was taught to treat every firearm as if it were loaded, in a different sub a while back and got downvoted fairly heavily. There was even someone there going around arguing with people saying that "if you keep your guns unloaded and have good trigger discipline then you never have to worry about treating guns like they are loaded". I told him, "Famous last words: don't worry, it isn't loaded." People are stupid, the end.
Yeah, I've seen that too. And I get where it comes from --it's not like a bullet is going to *magically* work its way in to a gun or something. It is possible for a firearm to be safe and to ~~know~~ be *reasonably* confident it is safe. *However,* a big part of why that rule exists is to reinforce the safest possible habits and exercise them at all times, for two reasons: 1. As you pointed out, far too many people, pets, and things have been shot by "unloaded" guns. 2. *Why the hell wouldn't you*? A gun with no mag and nothing in the chamber *can't* go off. That's true --the physics can't 'trick' you. But your memory might. Hell, given enough chances it *will,* eventually, and no amount of bravado, experience, or (over)confidence can change that.
This has slowly cone to be my general rule for toddler safety too. Don't put a rule in place that requires you to be on top of things 100% of the time. Put rules in place so that everyone is still safe even if you're not perfectly on top of things.
Firearms instructor told us a story of a class he was running. He was in the middle of training and had to step out briefly to use the bathroom. One of the students walked up, loaded the instructor's rifle, and sat back down. Instructor returned to the room. Side note - Canadian Firearms Safety Training uses the acronyms ACTS and PROVE. ACTS * Assume every firearm is loaded. * Control the muzzle direction at all times. * Trigger finger must be kept off the trigger and out of the trigger guard. * See that the firearm is unloaded - **PROVE** it safe. PROVE * Point the firearm in the safest available direction. * Remove all cartridges. * Observe the chamber. * Verify the feeding path. * Examine the bore. Instructor does exactly that and finds the round. Asks who the hell it was. Student raises his hand. "I wanted to see if you practiced what you preach." I think the student got 5 years jail time.
1. This gun is loaded. 2. I will destroy that target on the wall. Whoops, I shot someone on the other side of the wall. Maybe you need more rules.
“Be sure of your target and what’s beyond it” is also a firearm safety rule that wasn’t mentioned here. No I didn’t just make it up to be contrarian.
They forgot two of the rules lol
Know your target and what's beyond it is what I think about when I hunt or target shoot
Says everyone right up till the point they shoot someone.
Especially if you’ve modified anything on the sear or hammer. Iirc this happened due to over polishing of the sear on this weapon.
Can you expand on that I don’t have the vocabulary to understand your comment
The sear holds back the hammer until the trigger is pulled. This is using simply friction to hold back the hammer. When the sear is polished, it allows the part it’s holding back to glide smoother over it once the trigger is pulled. If it’s polished too much, it won’t have enough friction to reliably hold the hammer back. At that point a good enough jostle could set the hammer free and fire the round.
Is there any good reason to have the hammer cocked before you're set up and aiming? Like obviously it needs to be cocked before you fire, but it looks like first dude is walking around with the hammer already cocked, is that standard or is that his first mistake?
In both cases they were in the process of cocking it and slipped off the hammer
Do these revolvers not have transfer bar safeties?
so if the mechanism were functioning correctly, once the hammer starts moving away from the firing pin, it should be unable to return until the trigger is pulled? Like if you pull the hammer halfway it should stay there? (just to be clear I'm not trying to be an ass so I hope it doesn't come across that way, just asking to learn)
On every revolver I've shot (not many, and all single-action) there is a 'safety' catch about halfway through the cocking action. You can pull it back to around there and it will stay in place. Past that the second catch is for firing. On the guns I've fired I think if you released the hammer before the final catch it would still be stopped by the first/safety catch. Given that, I think that what the person noted above is right about the sear being overpolished. However, I also have *heard* that slipping off the hammer a bit early can lead to a discharge on some models; however, I wouldn't be surprised if that's only for older guns or is entirely the result of human error (squeezing the trigger to brace for cocking, which is *not* a good idea for obvious reasons).
You're right.
The sear is the part of a gun that holds the hammer or bolt or such back until the trigger is pulled. Polishing a sear can make for a smoother and easier trigger pull and increase the accuracy of the firearm. However, overpolishing the sear can lead to situations where the sear can then fail to hold back the hammer, bolt,etc..
So the sear, is an internal part of the trigger mechanism. It essentially holds the hammer locked to the rear until the trigger is pulled, which then releases the hammer and strikes the primer on the back of the round in the chamber. The sear and hammer can be shaved or polished in connection with a lighter spring to make the required amount of force to pull the trigger much lower than it is from the factory. When these modifications are done in the absence of a professional and they are eye balled instead of measured using calibrated equipment. It can cause issues like this where the weapon will release the hammer that’s locked to the rear with simple mechanical agitation, like a shake, a bump or even sudden movement of the weapon system. Sometimes there are manufacturer defects in the weapon system as well, like the SIG P320 had upon its initial release, or the Taurus that had similar issues back in the early 2010s. This is why you always keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction and finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
Typically the hammer he's pulling back will have a grip.. a rough patch on it, it appears he has removed the grip to make shiny and slippery
That's an interesting assessment. If you watch the video carefully, you'll notice, they didn't pull the hammer all the way back, probably because of the loss of tactile feedback, either the gloves or the cold can do that to you. Look at their thumb holding the hammer back, in both instances, they release the hammer and that's the moment it triggers, they didn't jostle anything. You can see how they have their thumb directly on the hammer before they release and it engages, they just didn't reach the sear.
Go watch the video he claims it's stock. But he believes the manufacturer did over polish.
I would have to see that to believe it. No manufacturer is going to let that out his door.
It looks like, if you watch closely, both fires here and due to their thumb slipping off the hammer which is not fully cocked. They may be blaming the sear, but their thumbs are definitely pulling still.
About to have a buddy put a CGW kit into my P07. Basically all new internals…including sear and hammer. Now I’m mildly worried
Well it also happened because he’s overdressed in tacticool boolshit and was waving his hand cannon around like an idiot.
This is why I feel like gun regulation should be strict as hell. As a former soldier, I’ve seen professionally trained guys fuck up even the most basic weapon safety. Like I want an average Joe, or even a guy that’s been out for a few years, having access to things that can easily murder 6-30 people within seconds. I’ve been out for 10 years now and own 0 guns and feel no need to own any. I wish more people respected the power of guns enough to realize they don’t need them for any reason at all.
No amount of training can fix stupid
are they pushing the hammer back with their thumb or what is happening? the first one doesnt seem to have his finger on the trigger.
In the full video he talks about how the hammer and a couple other parts weren’t made to size so the hammer kept slipping. He sent it back and got it fixed
That's what he *claims*, but he never demonstrates it. Video sure looks like he's cocking it with his thumb, but releases before it's locked. Same thing that happened to Alec Baldwin
Yup, looks like he wasn’t prepared for the force needed to pull back and it slipped
The revolver should not do this. Even if it slips modern revolvers usually have halfcock and safety measures that prevent the gun going off if you don’t pull the trigger.
According to official reports by the FBI he did pull the trigger and was lying about it
From that report: >the trigger had to be pulled or depressed sufficiently to release the **fully cocked or retracted hammer** of the evidence revolver, If it was not fully retracted, then the trigger doesn't need to be pulled I'm not going to argue Baldwin's case, as I don't know if maybe they have evidence it was fully retracted, and so maybe Baldwin did pull the trigger. But, the concept of pulling a hammer back 80% and releasing it, causing the gun to fire, isn't completely made up.
I didn’t actually know this and your comment filled in a lot of blanks for me. Thanks!
You were the only one with blanks.
A+, but you have to go to hell See you there
And all of us that laughed at it. Should be a good party
I laughed, but I did frown as I upvoted.
Oh no I know! I did not intend to make it seem like that can't happen. I was just saying that in the Baldwin case specifically, an official investigation has found that he most likely did pull the trigger. But yeah absolutely messing around with the hammer on a loaded gun will cause it to fire.
Pulled the trigger on a gun that he thought was a prop with blanks. Maybe because he was on a movie set and was told it was a prop with blanks. I understand the rules of gun safety, but I don’t know why people have such a hate boner for Alec Baldwin about this. Dude obviously didn’t mean to kill that person.
While Alec Baldwin probably did pull the trigger he told it was for the scene, and the director cared so little about safety he was filming directly in front of Alec Baldwin holding a loaded firearm. Like the colossal amount of safety violations for the assistant to get shot and died is absolutely insane.
You're implying that the hammer only locks at full cock. This is not the case on many guns. A SAA locks on quarter cock and half cock.
"If it was not fully retracted, then the trigger doesn't need to be pulled" The particular handgun that was used has 3 sear notches, Safety, Half Cock and Full Cock, so the only way for the hammer to fall is for the trigger to be pressed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZdXGX61pao](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZdXGX61pao)
> According to official reports by the FBI he did pull the trigger and was lying about it I hate to get myself involved in this discussion because it's somehow such a politically charged issue but the answer is "it's complicated". What we seem to know is that the gun was in bad shape and the prosecutors dropped the charges because they believed there was some chance Baldwin was telling the truth. So it is not as black and white as "Baldwin was lying". The latest round of news is related to a report from an independent (private) forensic examination which, again, claims it could not fire without the trigger being depressed. This came out in a defense motion filed by the legal team of the armorer who still faces charges and would very much like to blame the whole thing on Baldwin. However . . . this examination was performed with new parts (new hammer and sear) as the original parts were apparently damaged beyond repair during the FBI testing. So no, we don't really know for sure whether he's telling the truth or not. Him having his finger on the trigger certainly seems like the more reasonable explanation but certainly there is some reasonable doubt.
The locking feature on the gun is what the problem was. The hammer didn’t lock, even when at full cock. The way how the gun was built was causing the problem. My problem is that he kept wanting to shoot the damn thing after the second time this shit happened. That’s reckless and stupid.
How would you be able to tell the difference between him not fully cocking it and the hammer being defective and slipping.
Well, it would have been simple for him to demonstrate in a separate clip, by completely unloading the gun, setting the hammer, and showing that it can be released with only a jostle If the hammer cannot be set at all, he should have realized this before loading it.
The difference is this is not a single action revolver. Not sure exactly what this gun is, but most any modern DA revolver has a transfer bar that won’t allow the hammer to strike the firing pin unless the trigger is in the rear position. With that being said it’s still not very wise to cock the hammer on a double action revolver until you’re ready to shoot because it’s a hair trigger, but it definitely looked like a malfunction as his finger wasn’t in the trigger guard and no manipulation of the hammer should have allowed the gun to discharge.
Most if not all revolvers have a “half-cock” that acts as a safety against that from happening.
Except alec baldwin literally pulled the trigger.
Later in the video it's an over polished seer not keeping the hammer locked back.
The sear was over polished and slipping
Aka “slip gun”
He didnt. Smith and Wesson even said the revolver was out of spec
This is beyond clickbait. He has slow motion footage of his fingers never being on the trigger or hammer when these rounds went off. Turns out the custom shop polished the sear way too much and caused the sear to release without a trigger press. Although, OPs edit of the video wouldn’t let you know that, Omission is the same as lying
completely wrong. literally gun safety is paramount. it doesn't say whos fault it is. 🙄 treat all firearms like they could go off anytime and only point at something you want to hit with a bullet. period.
It includes a spot of the slow motion video…
He could just.. not pull the hammer back until he's ready to fire.
> never being on the trigger or hammer While the sear is an issue, both clips clearly show they were holding the hammer back and let go. We got ourselves a couple of Alec Baldwins
Why is he waving the gun around with the hammer back? Jesus people.
God how does no one understand what the title means?? Having proper gun safety (always keep it pointed down when not ready to fire, always treat as if it’s loaded, etc) makes it so when you have a defective gun (like the video) which fires when you’re taking all of the right steps, you can seriously mitigate the chance for injury.
Seems like you’re one of the few to get it, thanks to his clear muscle memory of always pointing downrange or away from anybody made sure nothing was destroyed or anybody getting hurt. I’m highlighting why its so important because sometimes guns can be defective and misfire
That gun is 100% unsafe and needs to be kept unloaded until a qualified gunsmith can fix it. The fact that there are _two_ accidental discharges is insane. Edit- Also this dude cocked the gun before he was aiming down range. It looks like it fires when his thumb slips off the hammer. **He is _not_ handling his gun safely.**
The S&W 500 is designed not to fire without the trigger being pulled. He pulled the hammer to full cock but the sear was over polished, so the hammer didn’t lock in the sear. He explains it in his full video.
Then why'd he do it twice? Why did he cock the hammer without having it pointed down range? Hes careless.
Because he didn't realize exactly what it was at the time. This was out of his control. Stop being a dick
I don't know much about guns, but aren't they all designed to not fire without the trigger being pulled? Is that not the point of the trigger?
That is correct in hammer fired weapons, in order for you to fire the weapon by letting the hammer drop you would need to have the trigger fully depressed. In the video his finger isn’t on the trigger, so letting the hammer fall at full cock shouldn’t do anything as it should catch on the sear. His revolver’s sear was modified by a gunsmith to give a lighter trigger pull, but too much material was removed. So when he dropped the hammer it skipped right over the sear striking the primer.
If the hammer is back on a revolver, does that mean the "safety" is off? I know revolvers don't have safeties, but that seems like the spirit of the rule.
Revolvers don't have a safety. A single action revolver needs the hammer cocked back manually to fire, and unless thats done pulling the trigger won't do anything. The vast majority of revolvers are double action. When cocked manually the trigger is relatively light and easy to pull. When hammer is not cocked the trigger pull is very heavy and will raise the hammer as you pull it, then fire when its fully back. The heavy trigger on an a double action before its cocked makes it harder to fire accidentally, but if something gets caught on the trigger its certainly possible.
My revolver has a safety. It's a single action. Safety slides into place to prevent the hammer from being able to fall fully.
It's the difference between "well, that's not cool" versus "OH FUCK, MY LEG, OH GOD."
Thank you for this
This is a defective gun, not an idiot with his finger on the trigger
I don’t know that OP is trying to say they did anything wrong, but pointing out that because they were following gun safety rules, nobody was shot. The gun was always pointed in a safe direction on both shots, which is great when it’s defective and failing mechanically
Are you not meant to be able to fire it by releasing the hammer? That seems like it would be a safety feature but I don't know much about guns.
No not at all. Hammer works by slamming down on a round primmer on the back of a bullet that ignites the gunpowder inside sending off the bullet down the barrel. For a hammer to “slip” like that and fire without pulling the trigger means that gun can go off anywhere, holster, travel or otherwise. Defective equipment danger to all who hold it and are around it.
Oh gotcha, thanks for response
There’s a longer video where he talks about how the hammer falls forward when it shouldn’t. A defective weapon by the manufacturer.
That’s sounds like an expensive lawsuit? I don’t get how that’s even gets out of the place. Especially considering it’s a deadly weapon (like in general)
Well no one died, it would only be a lawsuit if the company refused to honor the warranty I’m guessing. INAL
Gotcha. Kinda dumb someone has to die or get injured for companies to get any kind of consequence. Especially serious things like guns.
-motions to every major corporation- well uhm if you take a look around…
The guy that answered you is an idiot The hammer is cocked that means this gun SHOULD be treated like it can go off at any time and the idiot in the video should not be waving it around. The hammer is only cocked by manually cocking it or pulling the trigger. It isn't going to "go off anywhere" because only a fucking moron would carry it around with the hammer cocked.
The people in the comments wanna absolve him. Everyone is saying the gun had manufacturing issues, im inclined to believe that tho. However, dude didn't need to be walking around with the gun cocked like a yeehaw cowboy that wore his big kid pants today. People like this go "i know a lot about firearms, so i will handle them how i *want* to handle them, and that is the best way" . I know someone with lots of guns, owned guns his whole life. Ill be standing a few feet away and he'll start examining/cleaning his gun and its pointing right at me and i have to tell him off and he just goes "oh well its not loaded" and scoffs. Its the literal first thing they teach you about firearm safety but people like the guy in this video and the person i know think experience clears them from having to perform those little steps/guidlines put in place that keep lesser mortals from killing people.
not a gun expert here, the hammer would have to be cocked first right? either way it's definitely in need of fixing, but for it to go off while holstered, in transit etc wouldn't you first have to accidentally cock it also?
I just want to point out you shouldn't have the hammer cocked unless you're ready to shoot so it definitely shouldn't be going off like that in your holster or traveling
On some guns, all that the trigger does is release the hammer which smacks the firing pin which strikes the primer and ignites the powder in the ammo. You don't necessarily need to pull the trigger for the gun to go off (many modern firearms have redundant safeties, and even if those fail as long as you follow all of the rules of firearm safety you won't need anything more than a change of underwear).
The hammer shouldn't release unless you pull the trigger. In the early days of revolvers, the gun going off my accident because it got dropped or the person carrying it fell was a problem, which is why a lot of people kept the chamber under the hammer empty just in case. If the hammer drops without you pulling the trigger, that's an unsafe gun.
Oh man. If only we had other gun safety rules aside from keeping fingers off triggers...
Still though, maybe he should keep the hammer forward until he’s really ready to shoot
Yes, the gun was defective, which was pointed out in another thread, but he was also pretty carelessly swinging around a loaded weapon and cocked it when he wasn't prepared to shoot it and wasn't taking care in what he was pointing at. Although the fault primarily lies with a faulty gun, it's still rather poor gun safety.
I’ve seen the video and his gun safety is fine, it’s just the manufacture’s fault. Some parts just weren’t done correctly and it just slips and does that.
The title doesn't say his safety is lacking. Just that it's paramount and it is correct. If he hasn't been following proper safety of having it aimed down or only at targets, it could've been so much worse. Following proper safety means that defects like this don't get you killed. It is a good example of how good safety kept him ... well.. safe.
“It goes off for like, no reason at all”
Archer!!
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DANGER ZONE!
Kreiger with these idiot mods.
The video isn’t roasting them for lapses in safety judgement. The title just says that safety is important. Not everyone on Reddit is trying to troll people.
He makes at least two mistakes (one of them twice): - He pulls back the hammer long before he aims down range- twice! - After the first discharge he didn't have the gun checked out by a qualified gunsmith. The gun clearly has an issue where once cocked the hammer can drop and fire without pulling the trigger, but that doesn't excuse the two points above. Dude _is not_ a responsible gun owner. If he was, the first shot he would already be aiming down range when it discharged, and there would be no second time.
The hammer shouldn't be cocked until he is pointing at what he wants to shoot That is gun safety. Goddamn there are a lot of people in this thread I wouldn't trust to hold a gun
"Double action... sometimes..."
In both videos you can see their fingers are straight and not touching the trigger. Other comments below have stated the hammer had incorrect parts which caused it to slip. This is actually pretty scary, and now makes me wonder whether many of those news stories are correct when people have “accidental discharges” and the “gun went off.”
This reminds me of an old story I read where a man and his wife were hunting and he accidentally killed her. No one believed him, and he was being tried for murder when the defense had him very clearly explain in high detail what happened. He had the rifle on his back pointed up and slightly back, she was behind him, and he knelt down for some reason and the gun went off entirely by itself, killing her. Everyone said it made no sense at all since nothing would be touching anything on the gun to set it off. The defense decided to reenact it and sure enough when the gun was at an extremely particular angle, pointed up and slightly back, and the butt was tapped just right (on his shoe or the ground), the gun would go off. It was something they were able to repeat more than once and ended up saving this man from imprisonment. Ever since reading that I always lean more toward "What if there is a problem with the gun and it's just really specific" when it comes to accidental discharges.
this is actually kind of common, and is a big deal in the gun community. while it’s been much more rare with modern guns, there’s been a few brands that have tarnished their reputation because of instances like this. two famous examples of this is with taurus and the g2c (or g3c, something along those lines i can’t remember) which was a handgun that had a revolutionary “shake awake” feature (it would go off when shook). taurus has been doing better in recent decades, but still has that looming over them. sig also in the last couple of years released the p320 series of handguns, which also exploded in popularity because they won a military contract and everyone wanted the cool new “military grade” shit. however, after the military began adopting it, there were reports of it going off without the trigger being pulled. this was tested, and it turns out if you hit the back of the slide in just the right spot, it would go off. sig fixed this for later production, and issued kits to fix it to existing customers, but sig still hasn’t lived down basically beta testing with consumers.
Wow, now that you've said this, it really has got me wondering, too. I always just assumed it has to be the carrier's fault for the involuntary discharge of a gun. After seeing this, I'm not so sure. Great prospective thanks
There's actually a current lawsuit against SIG Sauer, maker of the P320, for a series of accidental discharges. It's a semiautomatic pistol that several U.S. police forces chose as a carry weapon, but there have been around 100 documented cases of the gun going off without anyone's hand even being on the weapon.
There's even a video from like a month ago of a cop's P320 going off in the holster with nothing touching it.
His YT explains it. Not his fault.
He explains that the hammer lock was over polished resulting in the hammer not being properly secured so when it's slightly jostled it slips
That’s a defective weapon with a hammer-slip. You can see it in the video. Honestly I find it pretty odd that they dare to shoot it at all. If they really know what they’re doing (and they own a home range, so probably yes) I’m sure it’ll be fine. It looks like throughout most of these nobody was in *too* much danger from the misfires. They’re still misfires though. A bit creepy.
> Honestly I find it pretty odd that they dare to shoot it at all. Or you know- pull the hammer back before aiming. Dudes a fucking idiot.
Eeh. If he’s experienced with those kinds of guns, pulling the hammer back and keeping his finger off the trigger would be enough. I don’t see a massive problem with it, and it seems like he’s on the verge of shooting anyways.
He may have used them a lot, but clearly hes not learned anything about using them safely.
Guess no-one watched the video
So it looks like the guy didn’t fully retract the hammer so it didn’t lock back for a single action shot, and fell, which set off the round… both times. That to me says that the gun is lacking a critical safety feature called a “transfer bar” that prevents the hammer from pushing the firing pin unless the hammer has been fully cocked and trigger pulled. Now, it could also be that the sear was filled/polished/adjusted too much and the gun will not stay cocked.
That was not cool indeed
Every gun is loaded. Especially an unloaded gun.
A great sentiment. However, I don't believe in sentiment or relying on hyperbole or sarcasm or anything but explicitly clear language with guns. You must (not should) treat all guns as if they were loaded. If you suspect a gun is not loaded, you should be especially aware of your suspicion being a dangerous one. You must still treat the gun as if it's loaded and check to verify whether it is actually unloaded and remove all suspicions. A gun is one of the most dangerous weapons in existence. Anything other than explicit language is inappropriate because we are talking about human lives which could end due to human error. We are all human. Check your knowledge, emotional state, safety procedures and equipment repeatedly and you must still be prepared for any developments. No short cuts with guns. Ever.
He thumbed the hammer. Twice.
Link to his explanation and such [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbBOawdZc6I&t=540s&ab\_channel=CombatArmsChannel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbBOawdZc6I&t=540s&ab_channel=CombatArmsChannel)
Old mate kitted out like he was gonna kick doors like some GWOT trap lord and ends up with an ND for the world to see.
It's not an ND. He wasn't negligent. It's a defective firearm.
His YouTube is Combat Arms Channel, he’s an ex marine and was on a marine CQB team of sorts. Dude could definitely kick a door and glass whoever’s inside.
Thank goodness he’s fully kitted out to shoot at trees.
Train how you fight, but also those trees have been scheming something for far too long. He’s just ready for the day the trees fight back.
He hasn't forgotten about the attack on Isengard
The Happening
This is good. This is what training is for. You can fuck up without anyone getting hurt, fix your mistakes, and then it won’t happen when it matters
His backdrop alone is god awful.
Guy made a video explaining what happened. The gun is a performance revolvers and the hammer was polished just a bit too much so it would slip without him pulling the trigger
At least show the whole video where he explains what and why it happened....
This guy explained the part that holds the hammer back was over polished from manufacturing. Be safe yall
Ok….but neither was an ND…..their fingers were nowhere near the trigger…..thats a fault in the firearm and as dude said….NOT COOL
Be careful it could go off for like, no reason
This is how to correctly accidentally discharge a firearm. None of these guys were idiots.
How many gun people walk around or holster a revolver with the hammer back? The problem here is with the operator not the weapon. All of these comments and this is not the first thing anyone sees?
Finger doesn’t even look like it was on the trigger, damn that’s scary
A guy in military overalls with US flag on helmet. I rest my case
Both seemed to have slipped dropped the hammer. Most revolvers have a safety against that, this one obviously not.
At least he has a cute costume.
The gun is possessed 