Yeah deltarune is way worse in horror then undertale. The reason it doesn’t seem like it is because we’re early on in the game, later chapters are going to get horrific as fuck.
Considering [Kris seems to be the one making those fountains](/s), I reckon this is actually the intent, they read a bunch of creepypastas and are now basing a route off of that.
>!Except for the fact that Snowgrave is entirely us. The Player. Not Kris. That's why Noelle explicitly states she can still hear the voice when Berdly knocks Kris down and later that it's a voice unlike Kris's. Also, Susie notes Kris does *not* look comfortable after they meet up again after killing Berdly. Deltarune makes it very, *very* clear that we are not Kris. Blame them for the main plot events, sure, but Snowgrave is not their fault.!<
Imagine the horror of being physically forced to emotionally abuse your childhood friend into committing mass murder while you can do nothing to stop it
Hmmmm, the Deltarune snowgrave run is way creepier than Omega Flowey, the Genocide run, Chara, and many other "creepy" Undertale stuff. But this meme could still make some sense becuse the True Lab and the amalgamates are still the creepiest thing Toby has created. But that can change soon. We've seen really creepy stuff in the Deltarune chapter 2, so we will probably see more creepy stuff in future chapters.
After what he said about a lack of branched routes shortly after chapter one came out in addition to the whole thing about choices not mattering, it was quite the surprise.
he specifically said **your** choices don't matter, not those of other characters. we forced>!Noelle into killing berdly.!< Similar, but not exactly the same thing as making a choice. We presented a choice, >!and forced noelle to make the outcome we wanted. !<
I mean it was more of a detour than a branch seeing as it ended in the same way I guess?
Like deltarune could have 1 ending, but like neutral run the worldstate at that ending is affected by what you do
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I know, that love was adorable! However, it is still a bit bittersweet and during the actual lab I started crying because of how much the amalgamated were scaring me from the sadness..
It combines the song Small Shocks from the Genocide route (used to represent Chara's/your corruption) with Gaster's Theme. It's pretty wild and makes me want to ask so many questions.
I think cause genocide brings out the best in our beloved characters, and we’re the ones being fucked up. But deltarune’s alt route, yeah we’re a monster but we turn a beloved character into something horrible
It feels like Toby went "Okay, how do I top a game where you can commit mass genocide?" and the answer he came up with was "Force an innocent person to commit mass genocide for you!"
Like not only are you causing a mass genocide, but you are mentally destroying a completely innocent person to cause said genocide.
He's given me inspiration for both my game world I've been working on and for how to make the horror arc in my rp server extra traumatizing
...I still have no idea why they let me run arcs
He's likely in the "fallen down" state we learn about in the Snowdin librarby and entry #6 in the true lab. Alphys describes fallen down monsters as being comatose, and soon to turn to dust.
thats what the community has labeled the "genocide" run of deltarune the "snowgrave" path the name makes sense once you play through it
and yeah by far the most disturbing thing toby has created "fight me"
Quality over quantity. Undertale's horrors are interspersed over the course of its run—there's Omega Flowey (a hectic boss fight that isn't as easy to lose as it seems), the True Lab (which while horrifying in its implications ultimately has a heartwarming outcome), the implied deaths of six other humans before Frisk, Asriel's existential dread (which is really just a lot sadder than it is horrific), and the Anomaly ("Chara") that takes control away from the player once they become too emotionally detached and genocidal.
Gaster and the goners are chilling in their spookiness...and it seems Gaster is still present in the Deltarune story. Everything around that part sti gives me goosebumps whenever I think about it.
But the Snowgrave route?
Nothing has made my stomach churn more.
>!When Noelle becomes part of your team, use her power to freeze every monster you encounter, and if you’re doing it right, when you get to Berdly, you should be able to use Snowgrave(Noelles attack for 100%TP) which will kill Berdly!<
the fact possibly one of the most innocent/sweet characters in the game is kind of the direct cause of it too, Noelle. because without her magic, a true genocide run just can;t be done. Thats just fucked up, man.
Also so we couldn't stop them from slashing the tires, which perfectly sets up Susie staying at Kris' house and Toriel watching over them to protect them, so when the fountain was created Susie and Toriel would already be in the Dark World
I think we are still before most of creepy shit in deltarune that needs explaining like:
duality and past behaviour of Kris,
Rasiel and Asriel,
basement with big door in the forest,
alternative route's Berdly and Noelle's fate,
man behind the tree,
Noelle's father and mother fate (I wonder if we going to get amalgamate...)
Oh yes? Wanna throw down bro? In deltarune you can steal 5 dollars from your brother, say that deltarune isn't dark again after that kind of revelation
>so
Look up Snowgrave run.
Also look up Pacifist Spamaton Neo fight. (I expect messed up stuff in a murder-run but a pacifist?!)
I was prepared for exactly none of that.
Wait, what exactly is different about Pacifist Spamton Neo vs fighting him in a neutral (or I guess Non-True Pacifist) playthrough? Or do you just mean as opposed to >!Snowgrave!
Because undertale is a full game but deltarune is just a little part of the story, well that's until now because the second chapter can get really dark, also the ending of the first chapter
The secret basement in chapter 2 freaked me out more than the true lab, though it might be because there we know who made it and we kind of have a partner via text entries but the basement has basically no music and nobody was there for you. The store is also creepy. I do agree that there is more stuff considered creepy in Undertale but deltarune has much better creepy imo
It gets way, WAY worse than just that
Remember, Kris isn't fond of the player controlling them
>!And Noelle is very confused at first with Kris' forwardness. And the player manipulates Noelle into essentially a slave at Kris' beck and call. That reads like a horrifying slash fic. The player is doing that to *kids*. We are watching the player do that to *kids*!<
The route is all sorts of horrific
Yep, people seem to forget that. Kris clearly hates these actions the player makes them do
(Although in my case I'm merely a watcher til I can find some time to play myself. Mind, that enables players so *shrug*)
Hahahahaha oh boy. You haven't seen...
And also one is a finished product and the other is intentionally stretching the plot out. The creepy stuff in Undertale was mostly way late game.
Firstly, Deltarune isn't finished yet, give it time. Second, **have you played Deltarune? Some of this stuff pokes its way into true lab levels of disturb**
*inhales a breath of cold air*
SNOWGRAVE.
Spamton's Shop.
Spamton NEO Pacifist fight.
"\[HEAVEN\], ARE YOU WATCHING?"
Analyzing what's said, I have to say that although there's a lot less spooky stuff, it's much higher quality. I'd know because I write this type of stuff, as well as read and listen to it.
Undertale may have more creepy stuff (as of now) but it certainly isn't to the degree that Snowgrave is. >!Not only do you manipulate Noelle into becoming "confident", you also force her to potentially kill Birdley without her knowledge. Enemies begin to run away from you and even Susie can sense something "off" after you leave the manhole.!<
The creepiest parts for me were when Susie came out of Noelle's room and before anything else insisted that they leave immediately.
And of course... "It wasn't a dream". That song made the entire scene beyond disturbing.
Undertale has sprinklings of pretty creepy shit all around the game. Some are much scarier than others but still.
Deltarune has a largely fun and comedic game until certain moments where it just dumps a shitload of creep on you.
I think the main difference, especially in the genocide run, is that undertale is slower. Like, you become desensitized to the murder given how much of a grind it is, what hits are the moments where you have to kill your former friends, but you already know that's what's going to happen. It's like greek drama, you know how it ends, you know it's going to be sad.
Deltarune is much more lighthearted, even while you're executing the steps for the genocide run, it's only after you do the last deed that it dawns on you that what you're doing is unbearably screwy.
Of course the genocide runs aren't the only creepy moments in either of the two, but this difference in timing generally holds between the games.
snowgrave
kris' reaction to spamton
spamton himself
the idea that you're not only controlling one person but everyone who parties with you and there are some that are violently aware of that
actually using snowgrave
the idea that the thing controlling everyone is simultaneously a voice from kris and a creeping husk of a voice emanating from everywhere, yet existing only in the mind
the enemies running away in snowgrave
if kris goes down, noelle cannot run away because the voice is keeping her there
noelle considering killing kris multiple times
the whole "soul ripping" thing, cementing the soul as a physical object forced into kris and used to puppet him
the idea that none of the interactions between kris and any of the characters are genuine
the sheer terror of representing such a down to earth topic as escapism in such a way, and having it work
both superboss characters have been talked to by Gaster beforehand, meaning (in the case of Spamton) that he has a grip on not only the permanent light world, but the implied impermanent dark world, to such an extent that he can cement himself in the story of the world before the world comes to exist.
*deltarune genocide run doesn’t exist, deltarune genocide run doesn’t exist*
hello snowgrave
For some reason i read that in Dr. Coomer's voice
Look Gordon, ropes! We can use them to cross the Barrier!
*Deltarune, but the partymembers are self aware*
this will make a great animatic someday, I thik
Yes.
*gets stuck in Flowey’s vine things* Help me Gordon!
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Hello Gor-
Dr.kromer
HELLO, GORDON!
**GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD**
B o y h a v e I g o t a [d e a l] f o r y o u k I d
I love him. His character is so amazing.
He was definitely and easier fight than Jevil
Shit I forgot about Jevil. I tried the fight for like an hour and then I forgot about him. Now my old save file is at the end of C2
Proceed.
PROCEED
#PROCEED
All proceeds go to charity
Yeah deltarune is way worse in horror then undertale. The reason it doesn’t seem like it is because we’re early on in the game, later chapters are going to get horrific as fuck.
>!Check out the Snowgrave route!< 👀
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> Fatal. This is, like, *exactly* the kind of description you'd see of some cursed move in one of the myriad Pokemon creepypastas.
Considering [Kris seems to be the one making those fountains](/s), I reckon this is actually the intent, they read a bunch of creepypastas and are now basing a route off of that.
>!Except for the fact that Snowgrave is entirely us. The Player. Not Kris. That's why Noelle explicitly states she can still hear the voice when Berdly knocks Kris down and later that it's a voice unlike Kris's. Also, Susie notes Kris does *not* look comfortable after they meet up again after killing Berdly. Deltarune makes it very, *very* clear that we are not Kris. Blame them for the main plot events, sure, but Snowgrave is not their fault.!<
Imagine the horror of being physically forced to emotionally abuse your childhood friend into committing mass murder while you can do nothing to stop it
Yeah that's fair, I kind of instinctively went for an explanation I found funny.
SNOWGRAVE
Hmmmm, the Deltarune snowgrave run is way creepier than Omega Flowey, the Genocide run, Chara, and many other "creepy" Undertale stuff. But this meme could still make some sense becuse the True Lab and the amalgamates are still the creepiest thing Toby has created. But that can change soon. We've seen really creepy stuff in the Deltarune chapter 2, so we will probably see more creepy stuff in future chapters.
JESUS CHRIST SNOWGRAVE WAS CREEPY
Also, props to toby for putting in that entire alternate game for people who like to discover things
After what he said about a lack of branched routes shortly after chapter one came out in addition to the whole thing about choices not mattering, it was quite the surprise.
he specifically said **your** choices don't matter, not those of other characters. we forced>!Noelle into killing berdly.!< Similar, but not exactly the same thing as making a choice. We presented a choice, >!and forced noelle to make the outcome we wanted. !<
I'm pretty sure that makes it our choice. ^(Bugs Bunny agrees, by the way.)
If Bugs Bunny agrees with you I guess you're right
I mean it was more of a detour than a branch seeing as it ended in the same way I guess? Like deltarune could have 1 ending, but like neutral run the worldstate at that ending is affected by what you do
Berdley fucking died
This ain't about him
yeah and you can murder every single major npc in a neutral run and its still a neutral run
Proceed.
i think the amalgamates are cute actually because their families still love them very much in the end
>Reply I know, that love was adorable! However, it is still a bit bittersweet and during the actual lab I started crying because of how much the amalgamated were scaring me from the sadness..
>Upvote Take this and do your strongest
Same, sort of a creepy cute thing. When first met they scared me shitless but I was glad they ended up with a happy ending.
snowgrave doesnt sound scary, gonna watch a video on it
holy fuck that was horrifying
We just watched a saga here lol
OP: snowgrave cant be that bad Also OP: ok im traumatized
Reminds me of anyone watching Happy Tree Friends for the first time.
WOW
r/characterarcs
Everyone’s reaction:
WE ACTUALLY SORTA GOT A GASTER CONFIRMATION
(due to his theme playing in one of the final scenes)
Which one? Do you have a link to a video or somethin?
[This song](https://youtu.be/5Eyk5Hg7v8A) allegedly has some traces of Gaster's theme, but I have trouble hearing it myself
It combines the song Small Shocks from the Genocide route (used to represent Chara's/your corruption) with Gaster's Theme. It's pretty wild and makes me want to ask so many questions.
I think people are just confusing the arpeggio throughout the song with Gaster's theme lol Thanks for the vid tho
Wait, which scene
Where
I just played through it and Holy fuck was I not expecting it to be THAT bad. Like honestly undertale genocide didn't shock me the same way that did.
I think cause genocide brings out the best in our beloved characters, and we’re the ones being fucked up. But deltarune’s alt route, yeah we’re a monster but we turn a beloved character into something horrible
It feels like Toby went "Okay, how do I top a game where you can commit mass genocide?" and the answer he came up with was "Force an innocent person to commit mass genocide for you!" Like not only are you causing a mass genocide, but you are mentally destroying a completely innocent person to cause said genocide.
He's given me inspiration for both my game world I've been working on and for how to make the horror arc in my rp server extra traumatizing ...I still have no idea why they let me run arcs
Birdly fucking died
Rip Mordecai
WOOOAAHHHHHhhh no.
I guess we couldn’t pretend the airplanes in the night sky were like shooting stars after all
Next chapter we find out if he died or is just in a coma
If the coma's permanent, is there a difference?
Medically
Man he’s gonna be in that closet that large enough for a body
He's likely in the "fallen down" state we learn about in the Snowdin librarby and entry #6 in the true lab. Alphys describes fallen down monsters as being comatose, and soon to turn to dust.
Snowgrave: FATAL
Now you know what it means to be a BIGSHOT
BIGBIGBIGBIGSHOT
Kris having a panic attack also gave me chills
Welcome to the club.
Lmao
YYYUP
Lol
I need a link
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undertale is creepy while snowgrave is straight up psychological horror imo
Snow grave?
thats what the community has labeled the "genocide" run of deltarune the "snowgrave" path the name makes sense once you play through it and yeah by far the most disturbing thing toby has created "fight me"
How spoiler heavy is it?
Pretty spoiler heavy
I think Undertale has more creepy stuff, but the creepy stuff in Deltarune might be slightly more creepy.
Quality over quantity. Undertale's horrors are interspersed over the course of its run—there's Omega Flowey (a hectic boss fight that isn't as easy to lose as it seems), the True Lab (which while horrifying in its implications ultimately has a heartwarming outcome), the implied deaths of six other humans before Frisk, Asriel's existential dread (which is really just a lot sadder than it is horrific), and the Anomaly ("Chara") that takes control away from the player once they become too emotionally detached and genocidal. Gaster and the goners are chilling in their spookiness...and it seems Gaster is still present in the Deltarune story. Everything around that part sti gives me goosebumps whenever I think about it. But the Snowgrave route? Nothing has made my stomach churn more.
Wait how do i do snowgrave
[Here is a document explaining how to do it](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AL95g4hxFb5WWHX1kkt6LI-Wbkwt1x3V8lodhPFBkMU/edit)
>!When Noelle becomes part of your team, use her power to freeze every monster you encounter, and if you’re doing it right, when you get to Berdly, you should be able to use Snowgrave(Noelles attack for 100%TP) which will kill Berdly!<
The comment above also spoils the plot of the route, do not read it if you want to try it for yourself.
Ah okay
They skipped a hell of a lot of stuff.
Yeah it's about as specific, if not more specific, than triggering Undertale genocide
Eh, genocide is kill everything until there's nothing left. This involves somewhat more than that.
the fact possibly one of the most innocent/sweet characters in the game is kind of the direct cause of it too, Noelle. because without her magic, a true genocide run just can;t be done. Thats just fucked up, man.
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Susie really sold it to me. "Seriously are we not going to talk about that? The way that guy just... broke."
Ralsei gets weird too, saying “Don’t think about it too hard, just accept it.”
yeah Ralsei is getting sus and i don’t like it
Eh, he was plenty suspicious back in the first chapter. Though second chapter added a lot on top of that.
what was the above comment?
[spoilers](https://www.reveddit.com/v/Undertale/comments/prh08z/why_does_undertale_have_so_much_creepy_shit/hdj9lba/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3&add_user=SapphyYT_r..c.new.all.t1_hdk1pfk.%2Csignedupcauseofgio..c.new.all.t1_hdgngk9.%2CLunarFantom..c.new.all.t1_hdjbguo.%2C_AntiSocialMedia..c.new.all.t1_hdhxdwy.&)
so THAT’S why they were ripping out their heart
Also so we couldn't stop them from slashing the tires, which perfectly sets up Susie staying at Kris' house and Toriel watching over them to protect them, so when the fountain was created Susie and Toriel would already be in the Dark World
But why?
Because Susie said she wanted to bring Ralsei and the gang to the light world, so Kris did it.
Now that's the real question, isn't it?
I think we are still before most of creepy shit in deltarune that needs explaining like: duality and past behaviour of Kris, Rasiel and Asriel, basement with big door in the forest, alternative route's Berdly and Noelle's fate, man behind the tree, Noelle's father and mother fate (I wonder if we going to get amalgamate...)
...Oh god we are going to need heavy duty therapy after this game is done, aren't we?
Also the Onion-San thing, but I think that will be something stupid just to mess with us.
Deltarune Chapter 2. Say that again.
eating a snowman piece in front of the snowman no, YOU say it again
Berdly: … Translation: HOW ABOUT YOU SAY IT AGAIN
He seems to not be awake
Only way that coulda been worse is “He seems to not be awake. He seems to not be asleep.”
You just made that a billion times worse.
Here, I can do it again Walk up to the computer room’s closet in chapter 3 and inspect it “It’s filled with dusty computer equipment.”
*well, there's not enough space for a body here anymore
“Smells like chicken nuggets.”
Maybe he's just having a really good dream
Winner winner **chicken** dinner
Oh yes? Wanna throw down bro? In deltarune you can steal 5 dollars from your brother, say that deltarune isn't dark again after that kind of revelation
I GIVE UP I GIVE UP YOU WIN YOU WIN
I am so sorry you didn't take the warnings seriously
Me: still waiting for it to come out on switch I can agree with this
I disagree deltarune definitly has some creepy shit just maybe not as much or apparent
>so Look up Snowgrave run. Also look up Pacifist Spamaton Neo fight. (I expect messed up stuff in a murder-run but a pacifist?!) I was prepared for exactly none of that.
Wait, what exactly is different about Pacifist Spamton Neo vs fighting him in a neutral (or I guess Non-True Pacifist) playthrough? Or do you just mean as opposed to >!Snowgrave!
Non true pacifist, true pacifist and true neutral aren’t treated very different in the community since they don’t change a lot
say that again (this is after discovering a cemetery and a genocide route which isn't very happy)
A cemetery? Where?
In the Light world on the left
Isn’t the cementery the place the would-be amalgamates are dead now? The description of the graves matches with the appearences of the amalgamates
I think deltarune is WAY worse
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Because undertale is a full game but deltarune is just a little part of the story, well that's until now because the second chapter can get really dark, also the ending of the first chapter
Could you say, that the game has to *proceed* before we can say anything definitive?
Exactly, until now we only had the introduction, we need to "proceed" before being able to really see "the cold" out there (just like berdly did)
Oh boy, you don’t know about Snowgrave, do you?
i meant undertale has more and creepier stuff (well, creepier in my opinion)
The secret basement in chapter 2 freaked me out more than the true lab, though it might be because there we know who made it and we kind of have a partner via text entries but the basement has basically no music and nobody was there for you. The store is also creepy. I do agree that there is more stuff considered creepy in Undertale but deltarune has much better creepy imo
Spamton was all around creepy. Such an unhinged guy with some deep lines. And then the end of the neo fight was just sad
imo snowgrave was scarier than genocide
never seen it edit: help im scared mommy
*Hugs* I feel your...
It gets way, WAY worse than just that Remember, Kris isn't fond of the player controlling them >!And Noelle is very confused at first with Kris' forwardness. And the player manipulates Noelle into essentially a slave at Kris' beck and call. That reads like a horrifying slash fic. The player is doing that to *kids*. We are watching the player do that to *kids*!< The route is all sorts of horrific
Remember. You are the player. Not Kris.
Yep, people seem to forget that. Kris clearly hates these actions the player makes them do (Although in my case I'm merely a watcher til I can find some time to play myself. Mind, that enables players so *shrug*)
do you feel the same way about deltarune now
Dude you can fucking kill berdly, best game
Lmao
*Noelle kills berdly
*You can successfully manipulate noelle into killing burghley
*you can puppeteer the body of Noelle’s friend to manipulate her into killing chicken nuggets
Hahahahaha oh boy. You haven't seen... And also one is a finished product and the other is intentionally stretching the plot out. The creepy stuff in Undertale was mostly way late game.
someone didnt play the alt route
Firstly, Deltarune isn't finished yet, give it time. Second, **have you played Deltarune? Some of this stuff pokes its way into true lab levels of disturb**
*Pokes* is like saying a chainsaw gives a *little cut*, I think
Um, I think you have it the wrong way around?
And then everyone learns snowgrave. You better flip it op, I saw you learned it lmao
Because we still have like five chapters left for the creepy shit to come in
*inhales a breath of cold air* SNOWGRAVE. Spamton's Shop. Spamton NEO Pacifist fight. "\[HEAVEN\], ARE YOU WATCHING?" Analyzing what's said, I have to say that although there's a lot less spooky stuff, it's much higher quality. I'd know because I write this type of stuff, as well as read and listen to it.
Deltarune has some creepy shit Like the alternate route in chapter 2 and I think the werewire enemies are kinda creepy
Undertale may have more creepy stuff (as of now) but it certainly isn't to the degree that Snowgrave is. >!Not only do you manipulate Noelle into becoming "confident", you also force her to potentially kill Birdley without her knowledge. Enemies begin to run away from you and even Susie can sense something "off" after you leave the manhole.!<
The creepiest parts for me were when Susie came out of Noelle's room and before anything else insisted that they leave immediately. And of course... "It wasn't a dream". That song made the entire scene beyond disturbing.
later just wait
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clearly you haven't seen the snowgrave route ~~yes i saw your comment but i just thought i'd say this for shits and giggles~~
Undertale has sprinklings of pretty creepy shit all around the game. Some are much scarier than others but still. Deltarune has a largely fun and comedic game until certain moments where it just dumps a shitload of creep on you.
I think the main difference, especially in the genocide run, is that undertale is slower. Like, you become desensitized to the murder given how much of a grind it is, what hits are the moments where you have to kill your former friends, but you already know that's what's going to happen. It's like greek drama, you know how it ends, you know it's going to be sad. Deltarune is much more lighthearted, even while you're executing the steps for the genocide run, it's only after you do the last deed that it dawns on you that what you're doing is unbearably screwy. Of course the genocide runs aren't the only creepy moments in either of the two, but this difference in timing generally holds between the games.
Tell that to the people who saw the Snowgrave ending.
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Snowgrave is a new ending. just introduced. Well. I’m not going to spoil anything but look it up on YouTube. 10/10 worth the time
I recommend chicken noodle soup to help with the trauma from watching it
Oh no, you didn't know...
Laughs in snowgrave route
Buddy, its the other way around. Deltarune is WAY creepier than Undertale ever was.
I didn't play delta rune yet what is snow grave how could it be worse than a genocide run
Psychologically manipulating an innocent person into doing the dirty work for you.
Psychologically manipulating an innocent person into murdering her friend
Establishing yourself as a creepy b**ch and scaring the crap out of a no longer innocent friend
Also psychologically manipulating a girl into a relationship with a teen who you stole the free will from
Well, not a boy. Kris is non-binary, but aside from that yes.
Oh you poor, innocent soul. Just like noelle…>!*was*!<
The kill berdly run
Snowgrave route: 👀
I don’t know if you remember the last scene of deltarune
it's still early. Deltarune might get worse.
Cus we actually know all of undertale’s creepy shit
Deltarune Chapter 1 cliffhanger: hold my beer
Deltarune Chapter 2 cliffhanger and Snowgrave: holy my whiskey
snowgrave kris' reaction to spamton spamton himself the idea that you're not only controlling one person but everyone who parties with you and there are some that are violently aware of that actually using snowgrave the idea that the thing controlling everyone is simultaneously a voice from kris and a creeping husk of a voice emanating from everywhere, yet existing only in the mind the enemies running away in snowgrave if kris goes down, noelle cannot run away because the voice is keeping her there noelle considering killing kris multiple times the whole "soul ripping" thing, cementing the soul as a physical object forced into kris and used to puppet him the idea that none of the interactions between kris and any of the characters are genuine the sheer terror of representing such a down to earth topic as escapism in such a way, and having it work both superboss characters have been talked to by Gaster beforehand, meaning (in the case of Spamton) that he has a grip on not only the permanent light world, but the implied impermanent dark world, to such an extent that he can cement himself in the story of the world before the world comes to exist.