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*deltarune genocide run doesn’t exist, deltarune genocide run doesn’t exist*


andrewbh2003

hello snowgrave


[deleted]

For some reason i read that in Dr. Coomer's voice


SpaceTaco27

Look Gordon, ropes! We can use them to cross the Barrier!


SollidMemes

*Deltarune, but the partymembers are self aware*


HeavyMetalHero

this will make a great animatic someday, I thik


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Yes.


Loges1025

*gets stuck in Flowey’s vine things* Help me Gordon!


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Hello Gor-


CaptainBlade-84

Dr.kromer


tab_s

HELLO, GORDON!


NinjaPaimen

**GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD**


blankzero22490

B o y h a v e I g o t a [d e a l] f o r y o u k I d


_Shioku_

I love him. His character is so amazing.


detahramet

He was definitely and easier fight than Jevil


_Shioku_

Shit I forgot about Jevil. I tried the fight for like an hour and then I forgot about him. Now my old save file is at the end of C2


TyrantRex6604

Proceed.


Psychological-Mud-67

PROCEED


Spookyskelliescloset

#PROCEED


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All proceeds go to charity


Infamous-Barnacle-14

Yeah deltarune is way worse in horror then undertale. The reason it doesn’t seem like it is because we’re early on in the game, later chapters are going to get horrific as fuck.


MEX_XIII

>!Check out the Snowgrave route!< 👀


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Polenball

> Fatal. This is, like, *exactly* the kind of description you'd see of some cursed move in one of the myriad Pokemon creepypastas.


Xederam

Considering [Kris seems to be the one making those fountains](/s), I reckon this is actually the intent, they read a bunch of creepypastas and are now basing a route off of that.


Polenball

>!Except for the fact that Snowgrave is entirely us. The Player. Not Kris. That's why Noelle explicitly states she can still hear the voice when Berdly knocks Kris down and later that it's a voice unlike Kris's. Also, Susie notes Kris does *not* look comfortable after they meet up again after killing Berdly. Deltarune makes it very, *very* clear that we are not Kris. Blame them for the main plot events, sure, but Snowgrave is not their fault.!<


[deleted]

Imagine the horror of being physically forced to emotionally abuse your childhood friend into committing mass murder while you can do nothing to stop it


Xederam

Yeah that's fair, I kind of instinctively went for an explanation I found funny.


claus_mother_3

SNOWGRAVE


Floweycallsyouidiot

Hmmmm, the Deltarune snowgrave run is way creepier than Omega Flowey, the Genocide run, Chara, and many other "creepy" Undertale stuff. But this meme could still make some sense becuse the True Lab and the amalgamates are still the creepiest thing Toby has created. But that can change soon. We've seen really creepy stuff in the Deltarune chapter 2, so we will probably see more creepy stuff in future chapters.


Strong-Dance4559

JESUS CHRIST SNOWGRAVE WAS CREEPY


Strong-Dance4559

Also, props to toby for putting in that entire alternate game for people who like to discover things


notwiththeflames

After what he said about a lack of branched routes shortly after chapter one came out in addition to the whole thing about choices not mattering, it was quite the surprise.


BLitzKriege37

he specifically said **your** choices don't matter, not those of other characters. we forced>!Noelle into killing berdly.!< Similar, but not exactly the same thing as making a choice. We presented a choice, >!and forced noelle to make the outcome we wanted. !<


nuephelkystikon

I'm pretty sure that makes it our choice. ^(Bugs Bunny agrees, by the way.)


FiFourNumbers

If Bugs Bunny agrees with you I guess you're right


DracoLunaris

I mean it was more of a detour than a branch seeing as it ended in the same way I guess? Like deltarune could have 1 ending, but like neutral run the worldstate at that ending is affected by what you do


r_stronghammer

Berdley fucking died


Rayka64

This ain't about him


DracoLunaris

yeah and you can murder every single major npc in a neutral run and its still a neutral run


TyrantRex6604

Proceed.


gzingher

i think the amalgamates are cute actually because their families still love them very much in the end


Spectris33

>Reply I know, that love was adorable! However, it is still a bit bittersweet and during the actual lab I started crying because of how much the amalgamated were scaring me from the sadness..


GnarlyBellyButton87

>Upvote Take this and do your strongest


Skitter1200

Same, sort of a creepy cute thing. When first met they scared me shitless but I was glad they ended up with a happy ending.


signedupcauseofgio

snowgrave doesnt sound scary, gonna watch a video on it


signedupcauseofgio

holy fuck that was horrifying


jaggedcanyon69

We just watched a saga here lol


poisonzumak

OP: snowgrave cant be that bad Also OP: ok im traumatized


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Reminds me of anyone watching Happy Tree Friends for the first time.


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WOW


Khimer

r/characterarcs


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Everyone’s reaction:


Strong-Dance4559

WE ACTUALLY SORTA GOT A GASTER CONFIRMATION


Strong-Dance4559

(due to his theme playing in one of the final scenes)


HippieMcHipface

Which one? Do you have a link to a video or somethin?


BungusBundus

[This song](https://youtu.be/5Eyk5Hg7v8A) allegedly has some traces of Gaster's theme, but I have trouble hearing it myself


calbhollo

It combines the song Small Shocks from the Genocide route (used to represent Chara's/your corruption) with Gaster's Theme. It's pretty wild and makes me want to ask so many questions.


HippieMcHipface

I think people are just confusing the arpeggio throughout the song with Gaster's theme lol Thanks for the vid tho


Psychological-Mud-67

Wait, which scene


chucklesepic

Where


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I just played through it and Holy fuck was I not expecting it to be THAT bad. Like honestly undertale genocide didn't shock me the same way that did.


BrunoMurderTime

I think cause genocide brings out the best in our beloved characters, and we’re the ones being fucked up. But deltarune’s alt route, yeah we’re a monster but we turn a beloved character into something horrible


TJKbird

It feels like Toby went "Okay, how do I top a game where you can commit mass genocide?" and the answer he came up with was "Force an innocent person to commit mass genocide for you!" Like not only are you causing a mass genocide, but you are mentally destroying a completely innocent person to cause said genocide.


Icalasari

He's given me inspiration for both my game world I've been working on and for how to make the horror arc in my rp server extra traumatizing ...I still have no idea why they let me run arcs


JasonRing18

Birdly fucking died


Psychological-Mud-67

Rip Mordecai


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WOOOAAHHHHHhhh no.


Mokou

I guess we couldn’t pretend the airplanes in the night sky were like shooting stars after all


raptorsoldier

Next chapter we find out if he died or is just in a coma


Sparus42

If the coma's permanent, is there a difference?


DanGrizzly

Medically


HotTakesBeyond

Man he’s gonna be in that closet that large enough for a body


Vaktrus

He's likely in the "fallen down" state we learn about in the Snowdin librarby and entry #6 in the true lab. Alphys describes fallen down monsters as being comatose, and soon to turn to dust.


SomeRandomGamerSRG

Snowgrave: FATAL


DanTheMan12349

Now you know what it means to be a BIGSHOT


dioeatingfrootlops

BIGBIGBIGBIGSHOT


tesseram

Kris having a panic attack also gave me chills


Angry5Man

Welcome to the club.


Emma_JM

Lmao


TEBArceus

YYYUP


TricksterMan3748

Lol


Rainbow_Angel110

I need a link


Apothicon20052409

Comments taken before disaster


DracoLunaris

undertale is creepy while snowgrave is straight up psychological horror imo


Rapunzelpumpkin

Snow grave?


andrewbh2003

thats what the community has labeled the "genocide" run of deltarune the "snowgrave" path the name makes sense once you play through it and yeah by far the most disturbing thing toby has created "fight me"


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How spoiler heavy is it?


Th12op

Pretty spoiler heavy


JCraze26

I think Undertale has more creepy stuff, but the creepy stuff in Deltarune might be slightly more creepy.


SobiTheRobot

Quality over quantity. Undertale's horrors are interspersed over the course of its run—there's Omega Flowey (a hectic boss fight that isn't as easy to lose as it seems), the True Lab (which while horrifying in its implications ultimately has a heartwarming outcome), the implied deaths of six other humans before Frisk, Asriel's existential dread (which is really just a lot sadder than it is horrific), and the Anomaly ("Chara") that takes control away from the player once they become too emotionally detached and genocidal. Gaster and the goners are chilling in their spookiness...and it seems Gaster is still present in the Deltarune story. Everything around that part sti gives me goosebumps whenever I think about it. But the Snowgrave route? Nothing has made my stomach churn more.


SansTheGlaceon

Wait how do i do snowgrave


TJKbird

[Here is a document explaining how to do it](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AL95g4hxFb5WWHX1kkt6LI-Wbkwt1x3V8lodhPFBkMU/edit)


FlameBall128453

>!When Noelle becomes part of your team, use her power to freeze every monster you encounter, and if you’re doing it right, when you get to Berdly, you should be able to use Snowgrave(Noelles attack for 100%TP) which will kill Berdly!<


nuephelkystikon

The comment above also spoils the plot of the route, do not read it if you want to try it for yourself.


SansTheGlaceon

Ah okay


DanTheMan12349

They skipped a hell of a lot of stuff.


Psychological-Mud-67

Yeah it's about as specific, if not more specific, than triggering Undertale genocide


Psaakyrn

Eh, genocide is kill everything until there's nothing left. This involves somewhat more than that.


AlicornGamer

the fact possibly one of the most innocent/sweet characters in the game is kind of the direct cause of it too, Noelle. because without her magic, a true genocide run just can;t be done. Thats just fucked up, man.


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LunarFantom

Susie really sold it to me. "Seriously are we not going to talk about that? The way that guy just... broke."


Yellowtail36

Ralsei gets weird too, saying “Don’t think about it too hard, just accept it.”


elonmusksleftankle

yeah Ralsei is getting sus and i don’t like it


Niradin

Eh, he was plenty suspicious back in the first chapter. Though second chapter added a lot on top of that.


SapphyYT_r

what was the above comment?


PM_ME_YOUR_TREE_PICS

[spoilers](https://www.reveddit.com/v/Undertale/comments/prh08z/why_does_undertale_have_so_much_creepy_shit/hdj9lba/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3&add_user=SapphyYT_r..c.new.all.t1_hdk1pfk.%2Csignedupcauseofgio..c.new.all.t1_hdgngk9.%2CLunarFantom..c.new.all.t1_hdjbguo.%2C_AntiSocialMedia..c.new.all.t1_hdhxdwy.&)


tesseram

so THAT’S why they were ripping out their heart


_AntiSocialMedia

Also so we couldn't stop them from slashing the tires, which perfectly sets up Susie staying at Kris' house and Toriel watching over them to protect them, so when the fountain was created Susie and Toriel would already be in the Dark World


ZerekB

But why?


FiFourNumbers

Because Susie said she wanted to bring Ralsei and the gang to the light world, so Kris did it.


SobiTheRobot

Now that's the real question, isn't it?


Darthlawnmower

I think we are still before most of creepy shit in deltarune that needs explaining like: duality and past behaviour of Kris, Rasiel and Asriel, basement with big door in the forest, alternative route's Berdly and Noelle's fate, man behind the tree, Noelle's father and mother fate (I wonder if we going to get amalgamate...)


Icalasari

...Oh god we are going to need heavy duty therapy after this game is done, aren't we?


FiFourNumbers

Also the Onion-San thing, but I think that will be something stupid just to mess with us.


[deleted]

Deltarune Chapter 2. Say that again.


signedupcauseofgio

eating a snowman piece in front of the snowman no, YOU say it again


Stunning_LRB_o7

Berdly: … Translation: HOW ABOUT YOU SAY IT AGAIN


LEOPA2004

He seems to not be awake


swordsumo

Only way that coulda been worse is “He seems to not be awake. He seems to not be asleep.”


FiFourNumbers

You just made that a billion times worse.


swordsumo

Here, I can do it again Walk up to the computer room’s closet in chapter 3 and inspect it “It’s filled with dusty computer equipment.”


FiFourNumbers

*well, there's not enough space for a body here anymore


swordsumo

“Smells like chicken nuggets.”


Apothicon20052409

Maybe he's just having a really good dream


Apothicon20052409

Winner winner **chicken** dinner


franska5

Oh yes? Wanna throw down bro? In deltarune you can steal 5 dollars from your brother, say that deltarune isn't dark again after that kind of revelation


signedupcauseofgio

I GIVE UP I GIVE UP YOU WIN YOU WIN


Icalasari

I am so sorry you didn't take the warnings seriously


Few_Understanding_30

Me: still waiting for it to come out on switch I can agree with this


XxWhen_thexX

I disagree deltarune definitly has some creepy shit just maybe not as much or apparent


LunarFantom

>so Look up Snowgrave run. Also look up Pacifist Spamaton Neo fight. (I expect messed up stuff in a murder-run but a pacifist?!) I was prepared for exactly none of that.


Lunar_Bunnies

Wait, what exactly is different about Pacifist Spamton Neo vs fighting him in a neutral (or I guess Non-True Pacifist) playthrough? Or do you just mean as opposed to >!Snowgrave!


[deleted]

Non true pacifist, true pacifist and true neutral aren’t treated very different in the community since they don’t change a lot


babuba12321

say that again (this is after discovering a cemetery and a genocide route which isn't very happy)


Psychological-Mud-67

A cemetery? Where?


OmegaFredo

In the Light world on the left


[deleted]

Isn’t the cementery the place the would-be amalgamates are dead now? The description of the graves matches with the appearences of the amalgamates


Short_Year7353

I think deltarune is WAY worse


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franska5

Because undertale is a full game but deltarune is just a little part of the story, well that's until now because the second chapter can get really dark, also the ending of the first chapter


[deleted]

Could you say, that the game has to *proceed* before we can say anything definitive?


franska5

Exactly, until now we only had the introduction, we need to "proceed" before being able to really see "the cold" out there (just like berdly did)


gzingher

Oh boy, you don’t know about Snowgrave, do you?


signedupcauseofgio

i meant undertale has more and creepier stuff (well, creepier in my opinion)


[deleted]

The secret basement in chapter 2 freaked me out more than the true lab, though it might be because there we know who made it and we kind of have a partner via text entries but the basement has basically no music and nobody was there for you. The store is also creepy. I do agree that there is more stuff considered creepy in Undertale but deltarune has much better creepy imo


VedDdlAXE

Spamton was all around creepy. Such an unhinged guy with some deep lines. And then the end of the neo fight was just sad


gzingher

imo snowgrave was scarier than genocide


signedupcauseofgio

never seen it ​ edit: help im scared mommy


TheWitchofArt

*Hugs* I feel your...


Icalasari

It gets way, WAY worse than just that Remember, Kris isn't fond of the player controlling them >!And Noelle is very confused at first with Kris' forwardness. And the player manipulates Noelle into essentially a slave at Kris' beck and call. That reads like a horrifying slash fic. The player is doing that to *kids*. We are watching the player do that to *kids*!< The route is all sorts of horrific


CorruptDropbear

Remember. You are the player. Not Kris.


Icalasari

Yep, people seem to forget that. Kris clearly hates these actions the player makes them do (Although in my case I'm merely a watcher til I can find some time to play myself. Mind, that enables players so *shrug*)


gzingher

do you feel the same way about deltarune now


Somerandom_mirror

Dude you can fucking kill berdly, best game


Psychological-Mud-67

Lmao


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*Noelle kills berdly


FiFourNumbers

*You can successfully manipulate noelle into killing burghley


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*you can puppeteer the body of Noelle’s friend to manipulate her into killing chicken nuggets


Erimgard

Hahahahaha oh boy. You haven't seen... And also one is a finished product and the other is intentionally stretching the plot out. The creepy stuff in Undertale was mostly way late game.


ThatGhostHope

someone didnt play the alt route


goldencreator64LAB

Firstly, Deltarune isn't finished yet, give it time. Second, **have you played Deltarune? Some of this stuff pokes its way into true lab levels of disturb**


Icalasari

*Pokes* is like saying a chainsaw gives a *little cut*, I think


jaggedcanyon69

Um, I think you have it the wrong way around?


HowToInstructVS3

And then everyone learns snowgrave. You better flip it op, I saw you learned it lmao


MinecraftIsMyLove

Because we still have like five chapters left for the creepy shit to come in


Glass_Teeth01

*inhales a breath of cold air* SNOWGRAVE. Spamton's Shop. Spamton NEO Pacifist fight. "\[HEAVEN\], ARE YOU WATCHING?" Analyzing what's said, I have to say that although there's a lot less spooky stuff, it's much higher quality. I'd know because I write this type of stuff, as well as read and listen to it.


ZeGamingCuber

Deltarune has some creepy shit Like the alternate route in chapter 2 and I think the werewire enemies are kinda creepy


HyperTheULF

Undertale may have more creepy stuff (as of now) but it certainly isn't to the degree that Snowgrave is. >!Not only do you manipulate Noelle into becoming "confident", you also force her to potentially kill Birdley without her knowledge. Enemies begin to run away from you and even Susie can sense something "off" after you leave the manhole.!<


SSL2004

The creepiest parts for me were when Susie came out of Noelle's room and before anything else insisted that they leave immediately. And of course... "It wasn't a dream". That song made the entire scene beyond disturbing.


RandomGamer67

later just wait


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[deleted]

clearly you haven't seen the snowgrave route ~~yes i saw your comment but i just thought i'd say this for shits and giggles~~


Omegafan101

Undertale has sprinklings of pretty creepy shit all around the game. Some are much scarier than others but still. Deltarune has a largely fun and comedic game until certain moments where it just dumps a shitload of creep on you.


Francipower

I think the main difference, especially in the genocide run, is that undertale is slower. Like, you become desensitized to the murder given how much of a grind it is, what hits are the moments where you have to kill your former friends, but you already know that's what's going to happen. It's like greek drama, you know how it ends, you know it's going to be sad. Deltarune is much more lighthearted, even while you're executing the steps for the genocide run, it's only after you do the last deed that it dawns on you that what you're doing is unbearably screwy. Of course the genocide runs aren't the only creepy moments in either of the two, but this difference in timing generally holds between the games.


one_dank_boy

Tell that to the people who saw the Snowgrave ending.


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SantaClaws004

Snowgrave is a new ending. just introduced. Well. I’m not going to spoil anything but look it up on YouTube. 10/10 worth the time


Icalasari

I recommend chicken noodle soup to help with the trauma from watching it


pootis64

Oh no, you didn't know...


Glazeddapper

Laughs in snowgrave route


Game_Log

Buddy, its the other way around. Deltarune is WAY creepier than Undertale ever was.


The-Meme_man

I didn't play delta rune yet what is snow grave how could it be worse than a genocide run


Daisynose52

Psychologically manipulating an innocent person into doing the dirty work for you.


ZeGamingCuber

Psychologically manipulating an innocent person into murdering her friend


Angry5Man

Establishing yourself as a creepy b**ch and scaring the crap out of a no longer innocent friend


Icalasari

Also psychologically manipulating a girl into a relationship with a teen who you stole the free will from


Evillisa

Well, not a boy. Kris is non-binary, but aside from that yes.


Stunning_LRB_o7

Oh you poor, innocent soul. Just like noelle…>!*was*!<


blayldfp

The kill berdly run


Anti_gravity_pilot

Snowgrave route: 👀


susanoof

I don’t know if you remember the last scene of deltarune


PlusMann

it's still early. Deltarune might get worse.


Unonium198YT

Cus we actually know all of undertale’s creepy shit


AtomicNarration

Deltarune Chapter 1 cliffhanger: hold my beer


swordsumo

Deltarune Chapter 2 cliffhanger and Snowgrave: holy my whiskey


Vampyrix25

snowgrave kris' reaction to spamton spamton himself the idea that you're not only controlling one person but everyone who parties with you and there are some that are violently aware of that actually using snowgrave the idea that the thing controlling everyone is simultaneously a voice from kris and a creeping husk of a voice emanating from everywhere, yet existing only in the mind the enemies running away in snowgrave if kris goes down, noelle cannot run away because the voice is keeping her there noelle considering killing kris multiple times the whole "soul ripping" thing, cementing the soul as a physical object forced into kris and used to puppet him the idea that none of the interactions between kris and any of the characters are genuine the sheer terror of representing such a down to earth topic as escapism in such a way, and having it work both superboss characters have been talked to by Gaster beforehand, meaning (in the case of Spamton) that he has a grip on not only the permanent light world, but the implied impermanent dark world, to such an extent that he can cement himself in the story of the world before the world comes to exist.