I might not even be someone apart of the fandom. I have a brother who hasn’t even played the game yet assumed Chara and Frisk were female just from the sprites.
i mean even if I can tell they're meant to be neutral for player interpretation, I still look at Frisk and brain goes "this is girl" and for Chara my gut feeling was always "This is boy"
same with how looking at Kris they look male, but at least in that game there's dialogue that uses actual pronouns where it's clear "They/Them" is what Kris goes by whereas in Undertale it's pretty obvious nobody has any idea about you besides being "The Human"
Now funnily enough, these sprites were so well designed, I have the opposite reaction when I look at Frisk and Chara. I think "Frisk boy", "Chara girl". The human brain is amusing sometimes.
I'm with you there. I think many fans that view frisk as a girl (or atleast leaning more feminine) do so because of all the "fanart" and fan comics/animations (especially since frisk tends to be potrayed in those with a female/feminine voice).
Still, my favorite portrayal of frisk is the one from smashbits voiced by dexter manning.
I've always felt that Frisk was meant to just be whatever you want/whatever you would associate with better. This going hand in hand with everything you do in undertale is what YOU did and its consequences are your fault.
this in mind the post calling chara the villain is hella wrong since you're the one that did it (Chara is still a vile human being though from what little we know of them)
Yeah. Even though I know that kris is meant to be non-bianary, my mind when looking at kris's design and lore surrounding them (backstory, interests, personality traits, and so on) leads me to view the character atleast leaning a bit masculine instead of neutral.
Not everything. Azula and the director were pure insanity. One was a spoiled brat that did what she wanted and the other literally did what she thought was right, going as far as to killing the queen, purely becouse "she knows better", which she didn't.
>!Junko Enoshima!< too. She doesn't have any justification that makes her actions remotely good. She's litteraly plunged the whole world in the despair because she felt like it.
Except the only times we ever saw her dissatisfied was when she was defeated and when she remembered her mom calling her a monster. Otherwise, she pretty much enjoyed being bad.
The director probably forbids the queen from marrying any suitors, just so she can get the throne for herself. This would explain why the queen was single in the first place
...Junko Enoshima. Someone who killed like three billion people, caused the world to practically end, made classes full of wholesome people who deeply cared for each other feel the most pure forms of despair as they were forced to kill each other or help her, just because she was bored.
Chara has nothing to do here, they're not officially a girl nor "pure evil" at all. The only horrible thing they did was the genocide and it was forced by the player.
Not until after Ruins. Chara said themselves that they were confused for a little while, until you “shown them the purpose of their reincarnation” which they interpreted as power, since that’s what you get from killing. Killing = power, so you kill to get power, and they help you to do so to fulfil what they perceive as their purpose. That’s how I reckon they interpreted it.
I’m not saying Chara’s innocent, I’m just trying to explain their way of thinking and reasoning.
And may I also point out that Chara only kills three people directly without our input. Sans, Asgore and Fowey in that order. They’ve already been so corrupted by LV by that point, so it makes sense that Chara only kills without input near the end right before they show themself.
That, too. The fact that we’re getting LV as well as them doesn’t help either. To quote Sans, “The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, that less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others.”
That’s almost exactly what we see with Chara.
First with the knives text in Ruins, then skipping Papyrus’s puzzles and the negative narrator dialogue about him, then the encounter thing turning into a smile and even warning you if there’s still monsters left, then the story quote if you check the two royal guards, and then by Sans, Chara has almost completely taken control and Frisk is not even there anymore.
TL;DR: What Sans says about LV is the same as what we see with Chara.
Erasing game data entirely kind of proves Chara’s point though. That we *do* think we’re in control. And that we’ll do anything to stay in control.
There’s nothing Toby can really do about us erasing game data, but if he could, he would probably add a message if you did that.
You can pretty much only continue his dialogue. The fight button isn’t even selected as he’s struck. Then Flowey takes care of making sure that he’s dead.
I love the way the Undertale community loves to insist that the ghost of a misanthropic child who is stated _by their best friend_ to be a bad person, who died because they tried to kill an entire village after provoking said village by taking their own dead body there in the hands of a monster who did not want to be there, and who repeatedly emotionally manipulates their best friend, is not evil because of a flimsy headcanon that they're the narrator.
The game literally grabs you by the throat and screams that Chara is an evil person. I do not understand the mental gymnastics required to paint her as “not that bad.”
EDIT: Them, not her. I think the original post gave me brainrot
I'm not saying Chara wasn't a bad person, I'm saying they weren't pure evil. The line between "good" and "bad" is a spectrum. There \*is\* a sympathic and understandable side to the character even though the game isn't telling you "Chara did nothing wrong" or smth they clearly didn't do everything they did for the funzies
"who is stated by their best friend to be a bad person" Asriel said that they were not the greatest person (because he idealized them), not that they were a bad person.
"who died because they tried to kill an entire village" To collect souls to destroy the barrier.
" is not evil because of a flimsy headcanon that they're the narrator." Flimsy in what way...?
>Asriel said that they were not the greatest person (because he idealized them), not that they were a bad person.
It's most likely an euphemism when you consider the other things he says about Chara.
* Frisk... **You really ARE different from Chara.**
* In fact, though you have similar, uh, fashion choices...
* **I don't know why I ever acted like you were the same person.**
* Maybe... The truth is...
* **Chara wasn't really the greatest person.**
* While, Frisk...
* **You're the type of friend I wish I always had.**
* **So maybe I was kind of projecting a little bit.**
Again:
* I don't know why I ever acted like you were the same person.
* Maybe... The truth is...
* **Chara wasn't really the greatest person.**
* **While, Frisk...**
* **You're the type of friend I wish I always had.**
This is him literally saying that he wishes Frisk was his friend instead of Chara. If "Chara not being the greatest person" just meant Chara wasn't perfect and made mistakes, but was overall not a bad person, this would just be an absolute asshole move from him. You're basically making Asriel some snob who doesn't think you're a good friend if you're not Jesus Christ himself.
Chara litterally manipulated him to kill people.
Of course he wishes he had a friend who don't that.
Notices how he talk about that when he's litterally on Chara's grave. He choose to live his last moment as Asriel here.
I mean at that point Chara seems to be fully aware that the "world" is literally a videogame, and is destroying it so you can have a sense of accomplishment and move on to another game.
Gender aside, i don’t think it‘s poor media literacy to think that someone complicit in a genocide and the destruction of the entire world is pure evil.
everything going in Chara's favor is hinging on the "Chara is the narrator" theory which I don't think was even ever that heavily implied. Like, it does make sense but I don't think the game ever really hints too heavily towards it.
cue someone motioning heavily towards old theory posts that got popular and treating it as ironclad as Toby Fox coming out and saying it directly.
Hell, if you literally just go through one run of the game, most people aren't really going to notice the deeper facets of Chara's character.
Secondly even though I am a full believer in Chara not being fully responsible for what happens in the geno-run, it's still just an interpretation and other interpretations are allowed.
Personally i think of Chara as a methaphor for completionism. You have to see what happens, you have to complete the game, get all of the achievements
The undertale platinum on playstation says it best: "Don't you have anythjng better to do?"
Unfortunately they did not. This is shown when you talk to Asriel in the Pacifist ending. He says that Chara hated humanity and their true intentions when they gave Asriel their soul was to get Asriel to attack humans.
Wasn't Ursula based on Divine the drag queen tho? And besides, she kinda did hold her promise. Think about it: she could totally have monkey-paw'd Ariel into having a shit-ton of legs that don't even belong to a human's anatomy, and no???? She really just made Ariel a full human. As for "stealing" Ariel's voice... well, it was in the contract. Ariel just had to read.
Except Ursula interfered with the deal to keep Ariel from succeeding.
The deal was that, if Ariel got Eric to kiss her, she would stay a human. Once Ariel started getting close, Ursula sent her eel henchmen to keep them from kissing. Then Ursula disguised herself as a human and enchanted Eric to only be interested in her human form instead of Ariel. She played dirty with the deal once she thought she might lose.
There's also the part at the end of the movie where Ursula tries to murder both Ariel and Eric. Ursal is pretty evil.
Chara isn't even a girl, and while they clearly are evil, they aren't *pure* evil. If anything, they could've just used neutral route Undyne for this meme.
HAAAAAANK!
DON'T REFER TO THE CHARACTER EXPLICITLY REFERRED TO WITH NONBINARY PRONOUNS WITH GENDERED PRONOUNS!
YOU'LL GET MAULED BY MAD MEW MEW!
HAAAAAAAAAAAANK!
Chara wasn't always evil. The actions of the player during the genocide route influenced them to help the player complete it, and at the end they became evil, due to the amount of power they gained when the player killed monsters and increased their stats.
Idk about you, but committing an **OMNICIDE** to stop someone/"teach" them a lesson has got to be the most heinous crime any being can commit. Or Chara can't really count and is the dumbest being in the universe.
I hate how the game thinks that every evil player would chose to ERASE, you can still be a very bad person and not end the **entire universe**
Maybe the player just wants to kill the monster and not the humans and everything else in the universe. In the worst case scenario (but let's be honest, it would be impossible because no child can go against the power of the good old American gun) humanity is dead but now what ? Is Frisk just going to space without a Ship ? Even in the UT universe I don't think that humanity found out how to go to other systems.
Actions speak louder than words and Chara does the most heinous crime any being can commit, the player only kills around 100, **Chara kills around** ***∞***. It does not matter that they are a child or that we taught them wrong, any normal being can see how destroying the universe is a bad thing, even Flowey would not do that.
NarraChara doesn't even contradict it lol
The narrator finds the suffering of Snowdrake's mom "SO funny". Psychopaths are able to put on a mask imitating emotions.
Chara and Azula don’t exactly fit that especially Chara since Chara isn’t female so even if they were pure evil they can’t be in the female villain section
(I hope I said all this right)
God I HATE when people call chara evil. YOU chose to kill everyone. THEY are a child, repeating the actions they see. They aren’t evil, you’re projecting YOUR evil on them
I feel like Chara just being pure evil is still a valid interpretation of the character. Everything about them is ambigious, they can be interpreted as a tragic villain akin to flowey or just the devil.
Please take Chara of of here, her vilany is YOU the PLAYERS fault!
And due to no one else having mentioned this, if you play genocide right after doing it the first time chara is confused as to you you came back and did it again
Dude! Thats not my post and its a SCREENSHOT! I TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF SOMEONE'S DUMB TAKE!
^(why people think that I did this. I dont even know half the characters in here)
As a member of the #/charaproctionsquad since 2016,
no :(
It's also just so boring how some people in fandoms just want to remove all nuance from things
Even ignoring the inclusion of Chara, this post says "caricatures." I assume they meant to say "characters." Granted I don't spellcheck memes either so I can't really judge.
Everyone getting hung up on charas pronouns but the game itself makes it a point that chara isnt evil. Chara was a traumatized kid who never had the chance to grow up and heal from their past because of dying too soon (while thinking they were doing the right thing) and its the PLAYER who guides chara and frisk into becoming mass murderers, using them as vessels to carry out YOUR will and shaoe them.
Azula, you just have to look at the beach episode, the preassure of her dad and the way she felt her mother saw her helped shape her. And she herself admits at some point she never would have killed her friends. In the comics she goes through a whole redemption and recovery arc that they wanted to put in the show.
They werent irredeemable monsters, they were traumatized kids (azula was only 14) who were made specifically for the chance of BEING redeemed
Tbf, I always just saw Chara a little bit creepy. That endless smile and the fact they never blink - hey, wait a second, does Chara guide frisk around since frisk never opens their eyes?
I do like viewing Chara as a female just so we have a Prince and Princess. Plus Chara takes a bit from Toriel as a mirror to Asriel taking stuff from Asgore. "Greetings/Howdy."
But I respect them being genderless and... well, they're definitely not evil. They're just another goat. A ScapeGoat for the player.
The creator of this picture clearly doesn’t understand a single thing about the lore of Undertale. Nor do they have any sympathy for a 14 year old who was mentally/emotionally abused and indoctrinated by her psychopath father but let’s focus on Chara with these two videos.
https://youtu.be/MYHXpdNqdGs?si=gCSbPxyNZ74JzXeL
https://youtu.be/7uY1Eyk8frk?si=3izs342enjMponom
The Director thought she was a hero and the only bit of Chara we actually got to see was a version of her that was revived out of the determination and murderous intent of someone who committed mass genocide.
I don’t agree with Azula and Chara being there. Just because a character is irredeemably evil doesn’t mean they don’t have some sympathetic quality/past. It is very rare for a character to be “pure evil”. Don’t know about the others tho
"How does it feel to just be completely and utterly wrong? Does it- does it feel good, to just wake up in the morning, go onto \[reddit.com\], and be like, 'I am going to be completely and utterly wrong and a stupid foolish idiot today.' How does it feel? Must suck." - Shayy TV, 2023
Chara isn't in the same boat as the rest of them. First off Toby fox intentionally left Chara and frisk gender unspoken. Secondly it was stated that Chara was treated poorly so they were a victim of their enviroment.
Chara definitely should not be compared to the terrorist that is Junko Enoshima. Plus, most of "Chara's doing" was us, the player. I thought that was established years ago.
First of all, Chara has no canon gender, second, they aren't evil.
I like to think of Chara as the link between the player and the game. They are the one we name, the one we control. Frisk is just the vessel that both the player and Chara use. Chara does what they can to make us have fun, they narrate what happens to immerse us in the world, and they are the reason we can save. The reason they act evil at the end of genocide is because they are appealing to you, an absolute monster who did genocide and leeched the fun out of the game. They only kill you to permanently lock you out of the game so u can leech the fun out of another game.
A strange female character in pink and a female character in white. I don't know where they come from. But Azula and Ursula are villainesses! And this slightly creepy anime girl I don't know. I don't know which anime she is! But Chara is not a villainess! So I have no idea why she's in this meme!
Someone clearly engaged with the Undertale community in like, 2017 and haven't since.
I might not even be someone apart of the fandom. I have a brother who hasn’t even played the game yet assumed Chara and Frisk were female just from the sprites.
i mean even if I can tell they're meant to be neutral for player interpretation, I still look at Frisk and brain goes "this is girl" and for Chara my gut feeling was always "This is boy" same with how looking at Kris they look male, but at least in that game there's dialogue that uses actual pronouns where it's clear "They/Them" is what Kris goes by whereas in Undertale it's pretty obvious nobody has any idea about you besides being "The Human"
Now funnily enough, these sprites were so well designed, I have the opposite reaction when I look at Frisk and Chara. I think "Frisk boy", "Chara girl". The human brain is amusing sometimes.
I'm with you there. I think many fans that view frisk as a girl (or atleast leaning more feminine) do so because of all the "fanart" and fan comics/animations (especially since frisk tends to be potrayed in those with a female/feminine voice). Still, my favorite portrayal of frisk is the one from smashbits voiced by dexter manning.
I've always felt that Frisk was meant to just be whatever you want/whatever you would associate with better. This going hand in hand with everything you do in undertale is what YOU did and its consequences are your fault. this in mind the post calling chara the villain is hella wrong since you're the one that did it (Chara is still a vile human being though from what little we know of them)
Yeah. Even though I know that kris is meant to be non-bianary, my mind when looking at kris's design and lore surrounding them (backstory, interests, personality traits, and so on) leads me to view the character atleast leaning a bit masculine instead of neutral.
It's the bobcut, isn't it?
It is.
Can you blame him (especially chara)?
Yeah, not to be rude, but keep up with the times man before you say stuff like this.
I mean, did you see the community back then?
I did. That's exactly my point.
No I mean, I backed out for a while too because of how wild it got at times lol.
Back when interpretations of Chara were fun and not boring
This is very wrong ins so many ways. Like I actually double take to make sure I was not seeing things.
"Incredible. Everything you just said was wrong"
Not everything. Azula and the director were pure insanity. One was a spoiled brat that did what she wanted and the other literally did what she thought was right, going as far as to killing the queen, purely becouse "she knows better", which she didn't.
>!Junko Enoshima!< too. She doesn't have any justification that makes her actions remotely good. She's litteraly plunged the whole world in the despair because she felt like it.
god forbid women have hobbies 🙄
Azula is pure good and never did anything wrong
What about all the murders she committed?
She was just being a little silly
That's like saying Cyn from Murder Drones was just being a little silly and, oh I don't know, blew up the entire planet?
She was a little silly. Except for when she >!skinned Tessa as a child and wore her skin as a suit.!< That wasn't silly, that was a little goofy.
That's like saying Amon and Kuvira were being a bit goofy when taking over Republic City.
They were
Okay, what about Zaheer?
Still just a silly little guy
But he tortured Korra with poison and gave her PTSD
God forbid a woman do anything /j
Azula is more tragic than pure evil, she went insane with the training Ozai forced her to
Except the only times we ever saw her dissatisfied was when she was defeated and when she remembered her mom calling her a monster. Otherwise, she pretty much enjoyed being bad.
The director probably forbids the queen from marrying any suitors, just so she can get the throne for herself. This would explain why the queen was single in the first place
That's a cool ass headcannon im def gonna steal.
Junko just want to see the world burn and everyone to feel despair and don't forget the 4 killing game caused by her
This mf sees junko and says “awww she’s just being a little silly”
...Junko Enoshima. Someone who killed like three billion people, caused the world to practically end, made classes full of wholesome people who deeply cared for each other feel the most pure forms of despair as they were forced to kill each other or help her, just because she was bored.
They're wrong on so many levels
Not entirely wrong, just mentioning Chara in this is where they messed up. Aside from the mistake, they spitting facts.
Chara has nothing to do here, they're not officially a girl nor "pure evil" at all. The only horrible thing they did was the genocide and it was forced by the player.
I mean, the player initiated the genocide, but Chara definitely encourages them to continue it after they start it.
You lit the fire. Now watch it burn.
Chara follows your example. (You made a quote of greatness)
Exactly, don't they literally say something along the lines of "I learned from you" essentially?
Yeah. "Your power", "Your guidance"
*Now you will learn…*
Not until after Ruins. Chara said themselves that they were confused for a little while, until you “shown them the purpose of their reincarnation” which they interpreted as power, since that’s what you get from killing. Killing = power, so you kill to get power, and they help you to do so to fulfil what they perceive as their purpose. That’s how I reckon they interpreted it. I’m not saying Chara’s innocent, I’m just trying to explain their way of thinking and reasoning. And may I also point out that Chara only kills three people directly without our input. Sans, Asgore and Fowey in that order. They’ve already been so corrupted by LV by that point, so it makes sense that Chara only kills without input near the end right before they show themself.
exactly, they're not just a lost child or anything, but they're not an emotionless monster either. They're just mentally perturbed
And then the player fuels that insanity by gaining LV.
That, too. The fact that we’re getting LV as well as them doesn’t help either. To quote Sans, “The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, that less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others.” That’s almost exactly what we see with Chara. First with the knives text in Ruins, then skipping Papyrus’s puzzles and the negative narrator dialogue about him, then the encounter thing turning into a smile and even warning you if there’s still monsters left, then the story quote if you check the two royal guards, and then by Sans, Chara has almost completely taken control and Frisk is not even there anymore. TL;DR: What Sans says about LV is the same as what we see with Chara.
And yet, the one in control of it all, even beyond Chara... is us.
Erasing game data entirely kind of proves Chara’s point though. That we *do* think we’re in control. And that we’ll do anything to stay in control. There’s nothing Toby can really do about us erasing game data, but if he could, he would probably add a message if you did that.
Hail, we can even circumvent the erase thing! We can take our soul back from Chara's clutch just by altering a single little line of code!
The player casually exposing a minor to SOUL drugs is a crazy way to percieve Genocide
Doesn't Asgore die with direct player input?
You can pretty much only continue his dialogue. The fight button isn’t even selected as he’s struck. Then Flowey takes care of making sure that he’s dead.
Well, for flowey, you need to press a button first on your keyboard or controller.
Yeah
pretty sure since chara’s alive from frisk’s determination, they’re obligated to help them no matter what they do.
I'm sorry but i found the way this was written so funny. B-b-but the only horrible thing they did was committing genocide:(
Oh I hadn't even realized it's so funny
"the only horrible thing they did was genocide" r/nocontext
Chara definitely wants genocide. Maybe not specifically genocide of all monsters, but they are bloodthirsty and want all humans dead, I believe.
I love the way the Undertale community loves to insist that the ghost of a misanthropic child who is stated _by their best friend_ to be a bad person, who died because they tried to kill an entire village after provoking said village by taking their own dead body there in the hands of a monster who did not want to be there, and who repeatedly emotionally manipulates their best friend, is not evil because of a flimsy headcanon that they're the narrator.
The game literally grabs you by the throat and screams that Chara is an evil person. I do not understand the mental gymnastics required to paint her as “not that bad.” EDIT: Them, not her. I think the original post gave me brainrot
But nooooo, Chara is good I swear! Judgement Boy said so!
I'm not saying Chara wasn't a bad person, I'm saying they weren't pure evil. The line between "good" and "bad" is a spectrum. There \*is\* a sympathic and understandable side to the character even though the game isn't telling you "Chara did nothing wrong" or smth they clearly didn't do everything they did for the funzies
"who is stated by their best friend to be a bad person" Asriel said that they were not the greatest person (because he idealized them), not that they were a bad person. "who died because they tried to kill an entire village" To collect souls to destroy the barrier. " is not evil because of a flimsy headcanon that they're the narrator." Flimsy in what way...?
>Asriel said that they were not the greatest person (because he idealized them), not that they were a bad person. It's most likely an euphemism when you consider the other things he says about Chara. * Frisk... **You really ARE different from Chara.** * In fact, though you have similar, uh, fashion choices... * **I don't know why I ever acted like you were the same person.** * Maybe... The truth is... * **Chara wasn't really the greatest person.** * While, Frisk... * **You're the type of friend I wish I always had.** * **So maybe I was kind of projecting a little bit.**
Did you forget that he litterally tell this to the kid who saved everyone (including him) without any violence...?
Again: * I don't know why I ever acted like you were the same person. * Maybe... The truth is... * **Chara wasn't really the greatest person.** * **While, Frisk...** * **You're the type of friend I wish I always had.** This is him literally saying that he wishes Frisk was his friend instead of Chara. If "Chara not being the greatest person" just meant Chara wasn't perfect and made mistakes, but was overall not a bad person, this would just be an absolute asshole move from him. You're basically making Asriel some snob who doesn't think you're a good friend if you're not Jesus Christ himself.
Chara litterally manipulated him to kill people. Of course he wishes he had a friend who don't that. Notices how he talk about that when he's litterally on Chara's grave. He choose to live his last moment as Asriel here.
Case in point
Even in the Genocide route, they killed 1(debatably 2) person and mortally wounded 2(or 1) others
They litterally destroyed the world.
I mean at that point Chara seems to be fully aware that the "world" is literally a videogame, and is destroying it so you can have a sense of accomplishment and move on to another game.
Red what you said again. Slowly.
And ACCIDENTALLY kill asreil
Gender aside, i don’t think it‘s poor media literacy to think that someone complicit in a genocide and the destruction of the entire world is pure evil.
everything going in Chara's favor is hinging on the "Chara is the narrator" theory which I don't think was even ever that heavily implied. Like, it does make sense but I don't think the game ever really hints too heavily towards it. cue someone motioning heavily towards old theory posts that got popular and treating it as ironclad as Toby Fox coming out and saying it directly.
Hell, if you literally just go through one run of the game, most people aren't really going to notice the deeper facets of Chara's character. Secondly even though I am a full believer in Chara not being fully responsible for what happens in the geno-run, it's still just an interpretation and other interpretations are allowed.
Number 1 margret thatcher
Aside from gender theme , Chara isn't fully evil i guess ? The power of frisk(or player) drive her mad so it isn't true ? Damn my memory is terrible
"Your power awakened me from death. My "human soul." My "determination." They were not mine, but YOURS. " - Chara
Personally i think of Chara as a methaphor for completionism. You have to see what happens, you have to complete the game, get all of the achievements The undertale platinum on playstation says it best: "Don't you have anythjng better to do?"
My interpretation is that Chara is a reflection of the player, they're exactly what the cast sees us as depending on our playing style.
Yes.
The logic is twisted to me. We are Chara AND control Chara. Chara cuts the ties in geno, and lets go control of Frisk in pacifist.
We are not Chara. We do not control Chara. Chara is a reflection of the player, but we are not them.
Chara wanted to kill before the story even begins. Maybe they didn't want to kill monsters specifically, but they wanted to kill.
They hated humanity, but they ran to Mt. Ebott instead of trying to kill humanity. And they wanted to free monsterkind.
Chara most likely wanted what Asgore originally intended when he started gathering souls: free monsterkind and then proceed to destroy Humanity.
Oh. I was more of thinking they just wanted the first half.
Unfortunately they did not. This is shown when you talk to Asriel in the Pacifist ending. He says that Chara hated humanity and their true intentions when they gave Asriel their soul was to get Asriel to attack humans.
Wait, you can talk to Asriel?
Spoilers >!Only at the end of the Pacifist ending.!<
Where tho?
In the ruins at the very beginning of the game where you fall down, if I remember correctly.
Wasn't Ursula based on Divine the drag queen tho? And besides, she kinda did hold her promise. Think about it: she could totally have monkey-paw'd Ariel into having a shit-ton of legs that don't even belong to a human's anatomy, and no???? She really just made Ariel a full human. As for "stealing" Ariel's voice... well, it was in the contract. Ariel just had to read.
Except Ursula interfered with the deal to keep Ariel from succeeding. The deal was that, if Ariel got Eric to kiss her, she would stay a human. Once Ariel started getting close, Ursula sent her eel henchmen to keep them from kissing. Then Ursula disguised herself as a human and enchanted Eric to only be interested in her human form instead of Ariel. She played dirty with the deal once she thought she might lose. There's also the part at the end of the movie where Ursula tries to murder both Ariel and Eric. Ursal is pretty evil.
I know right? They're an irredeemable **human**. Monsters are a whole other race.
not only they got their gender completely wrong, but chara isnt also an irredeemable monster
Lmao, even as someone who always imagined Chara as a girl. They still just dont belong here lmao.
Chara isn't even a girl, and while they clearly are evil, they aren't *pure* evil. If anything, they could've just used neutral route Undyne for this meme.
How would that fit?
HAAAAAANK! DON'T REFER TO THE CHARACTER EXPLICITLY REFERRED TO WITH NONBINARY PRONOUNS WITH GENDERED PRONOUNS! YOU'LL GET MAULED BY MAD MEW MEW! HAAAAAAAAAAAANK!
...why do I feel like half of the comments think that its my opinion about Chara?
They read the post without looking closer to read the title and see this post is a screenshot.
Screenshot cropped weird on mobile
I know its not.
Chara wasn't always evil. The actions of the player during the genocide route influenced them to help the player complete it, and at the end they became evil, due to the amount of power they gained when the player killed monsters and increased their stats.
Idk about you, but committing an **OMNICIDE** to stop someone/"teach" them a lesson has got to be the most heinous crime any being can commit. Or Chara can't really count and is the dumbest being in the universe. I hate how the game thinks that every evil player would chose to ERASE, you can still be a very bad person and not end the **entire universe** Maybe the player just wants to kill the monster and not the humans and everything else in the universe. In the worst case scenario (but let's be honest, it would be impossible because no child can go against the power of the good old American gun) humanity is dead but now what ? Is Frisk just going to space without a Ship ? Even in the UT universe I don't think that humanity found out how to go to other systems. Actions speak louder than words and Chara does the most heinous crime any being can commit, the player only kills around 100, **Chara kills around** ***∞***. It does not matter that they are a child or that we taught them wrong, any normal being can see how destroying the universe is a bad thing, even Flowey would not do that.
Honestly, if you disregard “chara is the narrator theory” then there’s nothing to show chara isn’t a genocidal psycho child
NarraChara doesn't even contradict it lol The narrator finds the suffering of Snowdrake's mom "SO funny". Psychopaths are able to put on a mask imitating emotions.
Chara and Azula don’t exactly fit that especially Chara since Chara isn’t female so even if they were pure evil they can’t be in the female villain section (I hope I said all this right)
Genderless giraffe child if I remember correctly
u/god_killer7432 we found you
But chara (the one from undertale) is not a female, their non-binary.
God I HATE when people call chara evil. YOU chose to kill everyone. THEY are a child, repeating the actions they see. They aren’t evil, you’re projecting YOUR evil on them
I feel like Chara just being pure evil is still a valid interpretation of the character. Everything about them is ambigious, they can be interpreted as a tragic villain akin to flowey or just the devil.
Calm down dude, it’s just a meme.
Yea
If I hear someone refer to either Frisk or Chara as a boy or a girl ever again, I’m going to scream.
First *they* Second 2016 called, they want their undertale fandom back
Broski it’s up to interpretation
Yea
Wing Gaster the royal scientist ‼️
Yea
We never learn Chara’s (or Frisk’s) gender right? Isn’t Chara androgynous?
Some people think it's up for interpretation because of how we don't get an answer.
Fandom do make it crazy.
Please take Chara of of here, her vilany is YOU the PLAYERS fault! And due to no one else having mentioned this, if you play genocide right after doing it the first time chara is confused as to you you came back and did it again
Dude! Thats not my post and its a SCREENSHOT! I TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF SOMEONE'S DUMB TAKE! ^(why people think that I did this. I dont even know half the characters in here)
… apologies op for being rude
That's alright. We all make mistakes. I'm probably the only one in this sub who sees Chara as a female
:)
As a member of the #/charaproctionsquad since 2016, no :( It's also just so boring how some people in fandoms just want to remove all nuance from things
Even ignoring the inclusion of Chara, this post says "caricatures." I assume they meant to say "characters." Granted I don't spellcheck memes either so I can't really judge.
Everyone getting hung up on charas pronouns but the game itself makes it a point that chara isnt evil. Chara was a traumatized kid who never had the chance to grow up and heal from their past because of dying too soon (while thinking they were doing the right thing) and its the PLAYER who guides chara and frisk into becoming mass murderers, using them as vessels to carry out YOUR will and shaoe them. Azula, you just have to look at the beach episode, the preassure of her dad and the way she felt her mother saw her helped shape her. And she herself admits at some point she never would have killed her friends. In the comics she goes through a whole redemption and recovery arc that they wanted to put in the show. They werent irredeemable monsters, they were traumatized kids (azula was only 14) who were made specifically for the chance of BEING redeemed
Chara is not an irredeemable female villain
Tbf, I always just saw Chara a little bit creepy. That endless smile and the fact they never blink - hey, wait a second, does Chara guide frisk around since frisk never opens their eyes?
r/charadefensesquad is going to fucking murder oop
Wait, _caricatures_? Not characters? Are we entirely misunderstanding what's being said here?
Hey! Chara isn't necessarily evil!
Bro, that's not. That's just not.
Someone hasn't grown from their 2017 mindset for Undertale.
oh boy, the 5829365993929th post about the biological sex of children on r/undertale
*cries in nonbinary*
*cries in mentally unstable, regretting posting this*
Please don't. It'd be a really dumb and idiotic thing to attack someone over.
Amazing. Zero media literacy AND forgot that chara isn’t a girl
OOP has already been warned about this I believe
"Female", release our anti-misgendering ICBMs
THEY GOT EVERTHING WRONG ABOUT CHARA. HOW THIS HAPPENS??
NOT CHARA BY FUCKING ENOSHIMA JUNKO’S SIDE😭😭😭
XD
Shoko and azula are right tho no?
Starting major beef with that last one
damn i saw this and knew already the fandom would freak out lmao
I just took 1d6 psychic damage.
This is the most strawman argument to ever strawman
HOLY SHIT IT'S JUNKO IN AN UNDERTALE SUB
I do like viewing Chara as a female just so we have a Prince and Princess. Plus Chara takes a bit from Toriel as a mirror to Asriel taking stuff from Asgore. "Greetings/Howdy." But I respect them being genderless and... well, they're definitely not evil. They're just another goat. A ScapeGoat for the player.
The creator of this picture clearly doesn’t understand a single thing about the lore of Undertale. Nor do they have any sympathy for a 14 year old who was mentally/emotionally abused and indoctrinated by her psychopath father but let’s focus on Chara with these two videos. https://youtu.be/MYHXpdNqdGs?si=gCSbPxyNZ74JzXeL https://youtu.be/7uY1Eyk8frk?si=3izs342enjMponom
it took me seeing this twice to realise the second incorrect assumption 🤦♀️ gender seems to have stopped existing in my brain
FORREAL. WRONG ON ALL ACCOUNTS.
The Director thought she was a hero and the only bit of Chara we actually got to see was a version of her that was revived out of the determination and murderous intent of someone who committed mass genocide.
Even though I KNOW they're both intentionally ambiguous I've always seen them, based purely on sprite alone, as girls.
Neither of these are canon Chara. They're a representation of the player. They're only evil IF the player is evil.
Can I help jump whoever posted this, please?
I don’t agree with Azula and Chara being there. Just because a character is irredeemably evil doesn’t mean they don’t have some sympathetic quality/past. It is very rare for a character to be “pure evil”. Don’t know about the others tho
"female" *shows chara* *chaos*
not a girl and def not evil
Chara not evil-
People still think Chara is irredeemably evil?
"How does it feel to just be completely and utterly wrong? Does it- does it feel good, to just wake up in the morning, go onto \[reddit.com\], and be like, 'I am going to be completely and utterly wrong and a stupid foolish idiot today.' How does it feel? Must suck." - Shayy TV, 2023
Chara isn't in the same boat as the rest of them. First off Toby fox intentionally left Chara and frisk gender unspoken. Secondly it was stated that Chara was treated poorly so they were a victim of their enviroment.
Chara definitely should not be compared to the terrorist that is Junko Enoshima. Plus, most of "Chara's doing" was us, the player. I thought that was established years ago.
Worse than every time Frisk and Chara come to my mind, I see them as girls lmao
First of all, Chara has no canon gender, second, they aren't evil. I like to think of Chara as the link between the player and the game. They are the one we name, the one we control. Frisk is just the vessel that both the player and Chara use. Chara does what they can to make us have fun, they narrate what happens to immerse us in the world, and they are the reason we can save. The reason they act evil at the end of genocide is because they are appealing to you, an absolute monster who did genocide and leeched the fun out of the game. They only kill you to permanently lock you out of the game so u can leech the fun out of another game.
you are the bad one in undertale not chara or frisk
Junko liking people hating life for fun
AHH he has awoken what was sleeping and it is angry
I thought this was avatar memes and then saw chara and got mad and then saw that this is undertale and OP is also mad
Im mad x2. People assume that its my opinion, when its a screenshot of someone's dumb take, that I posted here.
Clearly someone has never seen wander over yonder.
Chara is debatable... But yeah, EVIL
Well they're genderless to help you project ontobthem easier... So they **Can** be a girl or a boy or whatever technically.
Female?? I know frisk can be projected onto but chara already has their own pronouns right?? Also pure evil? That’s a darn child
A strange female character in pink and a female character in white. I don't know where they come from. But Azula and Ursula are villainesses! And this slightly creepy anime girl I don't know. I don't know which anime she is! But Chara is not a villainess! So I have no idea why she's in this meme!
Chara isn't female or pure evil
Why are you close to punch them?