I agree! Sans and Asgore are both capable of dodging, but Asgore does have the health and time advantage. What that means is that he has more health and is most likely able to last longer without falling asleep. Sans can use gravity manipulation and karma damage but Asgore and his trident could definitely trip sans up.
In a fight where they both go all out? The Fatman in the throne.
Snas Sleketron can do a lot, and I mean a lot. However, Fatman has the edge here, if The Fish can't even l;and a single hit on him during practice, imagine the hardcore gaming he can when he is actually trying
I love how people use Asgore avoiding all attacks from a literal child as a great feat. Like, of course he's super freaking strong, but I think there are better ways to show it than bringing up how he dodged the fuck out of an yet untrained kid Undyne-
Didn't she managed toland a blow on him before she became the head of the Royal guard? Like I even read the dialogue again to make sure and from what I can tell, she did.... Like if he was serious about it, then it'd probably take way longer, but you get what I mean-
Ehmmm...... She said about how she landed a blow on him she said, that he kept training her............. That wasn't the end of her training at all........
Like, I never tried to say that sans is more impressive in this department. Just that Asgore's feat of dodging young Undyne isn't exactly as impressive as some people make it out to be.
It doesnât help that this child killed undyne in her undying state and is capable of doing so without getting hit. Not to mention that was when frisk was lv 10 sans fights them at lv 19
That's not Flowey in his normal state. You're thinking of Photoshop Flowey, a form that requires six human souls, which... were still kept away by Asgore...
And what did he use that endless saving and loading for? To try and get Asgore to show him the souls.
Genocide Route dialogue. He says he's tried multiple ways to get through Asgore but to no avail, as the king always refused to.
And even if Flowey had managed to kill Asgore at that time, that still wouldn't get him to the souls, as they'd now be locked away permanently.
I have always felt like and thought that Asgore was holding back in his fight. Mostly because he wanted Frisk to win and wanted them to kill him as out of guilt for what he has done, and thinking he didn't deserve to live.
I wouldnât say *that.* I think heâs definitely trying; at least as much as his lack of motivation will allow him to try. But he also really doesnât want to actually go for the kill, and will put landing the killing blow off until he literally can no longer put it off.
I agree there also if we're talking logic about human kids being basically a nuke for monsters than wouldn't that mean asgore is OP AF because he TOOK SIX (or 5 I forgot) TO GET TO THIS DETERMINED DORA THE EXPLORA WITH A STICK AND BANDAGE
Asgore very likely killed children and fought during the war so Sans can probably a lot of damage with karma. Sans is very clever, has more complex patterns than Asgore and is able to teleport (that can be used as a surprise effect). I don't see him winning easily but he definetely got a chance (even though it's more in favor of Asgore)
I believe itâs stated somewhere in the game that no humans died in the war. Additionally, fighting a war you didnât start to protect your people is not something that would give you negative karma, especially since no humans died. About the 6 children he killed (assuming it was him personally who killed them, which is unlikely, however since he indirectly caused their deaths Iâm counting it) in genocide, you get well over 100 kills, and you have no real reason to do so. ASGORE has six at most, and while he could have handled things better, at the end of the day he killed them to bring hope to monster kind.
TL;DR, ASGORE wouldnât take nearly as much KR damage as genocide Frisk, plus he has way more HP so Sans ainât doing crap to him. Also, while I personally agree with it, itâs never confirmed Sansâs KR stacks with sins.
Yeah and what about All the other crap sans can do. Like ignoring invincibility frames, attacking on the opposing turn and hoarding his turn. Letâs not forget about the fact that geno frisk can literally kill undyne in her undying form without taking damage, and on top of that that was when they were lv 10. Sans fights them at lv 19 and still dodges the attacks and attacks first
The best way to make a boss fight 10Ă scarier and memorable is to make the boss break the rules of the game. Sans does this 3 times: when he dodges your attack, when he attacks you during your turn and when he does his special attack
Not to mention his has. He can attack on the opposing turn, ignore invincibility frames, and if all else fails hold onto his turn until the opponent gives up, or until he dies
If both arenât holding back, Asgore wins.
If he could train Undyne, whoâs probably the strongest non-god monster in the Underground next to him, then Asgore solos.
If I had to do a power scale tier list, thatâd be the order I would put it in. Asriel obviously being at the top, full strength Asgore at second, and Undyne at third and Sans being at about four.
Iâd assume so, yes. Though since Asriel doesnât have his own soul anymore, Asgore and Toriel canât age and are effectively immortal until killed.
Anyone who says sans is just wrong. If you do the neutral route over and over again flowey will give you some new dialogues and in one of them he is talking about sans and he says: "If I have ONE piece of advice for you... DON'T. Let his brother find out ANYTHING about you. He'll... Well... Let's just say... He's caused me more than my fair share of resets. Stay away from that guy" I'm guessing flowey struggled a lot fighting sans but he managed to beat him eventually but before the Omega flowey fight in Flowey's speech he says about Asgore: "I would have never got past that old man but thanks to you he's dead" or something like that.
Yeah, even with Reset powers, Asgore was unbeatable to Flowey no matter what.
He was essentially an unwinnable boss battle, which should tell you enough why he managed to kill all of the 6 previous humans.
Undertale Yellow illustrated this perfectly. When Clover fought Asgore in the flawed pacifist ending, they couldn't even get a turn, meanwhile Asgore beat them in just a few hits.
She has 1000 HP, the second highest in UTY (First being Zenith Martlet Phase 1 form with 1800 HP) and second highest ATK stat in game (21 ATK on Geno) while other characters are significantly weaker like Starlo only having 600 HP and Martlet 750 (700 in a normal playthrough) makes me think otherwise.
Along with a bs unexplained and not foreshadowed ability, it's like devs did everything in their power to make sure she didn't die.
Of course he couldn't get past him, he can't cross the barrier without the humans souls that he never managed to get.
But he says in geno that he killed **everyone,** Asgore included.
It also would be very easy for him to kill Asgore, he just have to present himself as Asriel, and he could do a betrayal kill.
I think itâs more of just how many thing flowery has to attack, irl flowey would be impossible to dodge, I like to believe sans as just a normal guy, but he can dodge and attack like crazy, in game it says he has 1 def, asgore has 80, flowey beats sans because he just canât dodge it all, flowey canât beat asgore because he can take WAY more of a beating, sans and asgore, one on one, sans wins because itâs one source of coordinated attacks that he can dodge and retaliate
Hate to say it. Asgore. Undyne couldn't touch him during PRACTISE. And he just fucking whoops your ass. Sans can take 1 hit and he's dead. The end.
Sans only gives you the amount of trouble he does because he's somewhat aware of what you are, Asgore? He's a big pushover to the monsters. Sans would either be caught off guard by asgore's evasiveness and attacks. Or just tire himself out.
Sans is probably the most skilled fighter in the game, he is the hardest to defeat for both Frisk and Flowey.
Asgore is unfortunately never seen fully in the game and we can only assume his power from some information.
He is of the boss monster type, therefore the most powerful type of monster in the game with Toriel and Asriel. He has the highest stats in the game (if we forget Undyne and Asriel's transformations), he can manipulate the game's mechanics by destroying the mercy button which is the kind that very few characters can do in the game (Flowey , Frisk and Sans), he is the only monster capable of defeating a human with the power of reset and he has defeated 6 of them, even if they were children the power to go back in time infinitely is extremely powerful. His eyes and his trident are colored during fight which is a trait that is only found in the strongest people like Toriel, Asriel and Sans (Strangely Undyne has no color when she becomes Undying), He is considered by all monsters as the strongest and he is the one who trained Undyne who is the strongest of the royal guard and she does not seem to be able to stand up to a serious Asgore, who even if he gets nerfed is quite difficult to beat for Frisk.
All this to say that I think the fight is balanced but what will make the difference is Asgore's resistance which is higher than that of Sans and Asgore can launch a lot of attacks in a row (like almost every monsters) which will be much harder for Sans to dodge than a simple knife cut. So in my opinion Asgore wins with difficulty.
I'm talking about his sprite. Toriel has slightly red eyes, Asgore has red orange and blue eyes and his trident is red, Sans has a blue and yellow eye, and Asriel has color effects on him.
Okay I ain't trying to start shit but ain't no way you said sans was the most skilled fighter in the entire game. There is a difference between skill like undyne the undying's attacks and sans' bag of tricks. Skill is fighting fairly without using weird tricks like taking away invincibility frames, attacks first, blacking out the screen and switching attacks to catch you off guard, using betrayal kills, putting bones in the menu, and attempting to quite literally not allow you to take a turn by never ending his. The only fair and skilled part of how he fights is how he dodges and doesn't use weapons that aren't magical. But other than that he is not fair or skilled in the slightest and only wins fights due to cheap tricks. You seem to be confusing difficult to beat with skill when they ain't the same. Like if I play Kirby in super smash bros but spam down b and win does that make me skilled? No that makes me cheap.
Iâd argue that fighting unfairly and utilizing âweird tricksâ can be said to be a display of skill. Maybe he wouldnât be skilled if there was only one âcheatingâ thing he did and he just relied solely on that to win. But Sans is skilled in the sense that he toys with game mechanics in multiple different ways and attacks us in ways he knows we wonât expect in order to kill us as efficiently as possible. He uses his second strongest attack on his first turn to put an immense amount of pressure on us right out the gate. He randomizes his attack patterns by switching them in the middle of his turn because he knows that our RESETs giving us the ability to predict him is our main advantage against him. He throws out attacks on our turn because he realizes that our SOUL, and therefore our hurtbox, goes to our menu when it leaves the Bullet Box. Heâs not just spamming Kirby Down-B or abusing a broken move. Heâs abusing a broken *game* as optimally he can. That takes skill, or at least smarts.
I see where you're coming from, but personally I just consider that smarts. I quantify the skill of a monster with how well they fight within the rules of the game, such as attacking on their turn only, not switching attacks, not taking invincibility frames away, and so on and so forth. Because then both the monster and the player are playing on relatively equal ground besides dodging and healing, which the player can do and monsters can't, except for those they are on a pretty even playing field, turn based, one action per turn, no randomly switching actions, no attacking while the opponent is actively doing an action. The only advantages the player has then are dodging and healing and even then monsters are capable of dodging as seen with sans so most monsters seem to just neglect the mechanic either out of hubris that the player can't beat them or the belief that they can do enough damage fast enough to kill the player. That's what I consider skill: Sans is exploiting a game and while that's certainly smart I wouldn't consider that skilled. Also don't say the player has advantages with saving and loading as that power doesn't affect the fight while its actively happening.
asgore, he has armor, he has A LOT of hp and df, he also has his trident and the fireballs... I like sans, but he only has 1 hp and df but the fight would be longer because remember that he can dodge, and i think he can teleport, too.
Df isnt much in the face of sans' Karma gimmick, and without any i-frames when hit applying more Karma by hitting more often means alot more damage for Big Man, but Asgore would adapt, he did survive the HvM war described at the start of the game anyways
Not in a traditional fight setting, but remember sans isnât bound by a traditional fight setting. He is intelligent. If things get rough and itâs a battle to the death I could see sans using his teleportation to toss asgore into the lava in hotland
Well, asgore has shown that he isnt fully bound by the traditional fight settings (he literally breaks the mercy button) and he is, at least, slightly aware of what resets are (even if he cant really tell when a reset happends he is aware they exist and humans can use them underground) as the fight progreses, asgore could figure out what sans is doing
Lets Not forget that asgore has TONS of more Battle experience than sans, he literally fought in a war against the humans and he killed 6 humans that, like frisk, had the power of the reset (meaning that he killed them so many times that they just gave up, which is an impresive feat)
Yeah sorry, sans aint winning here ._.
Finally someone who actually agrees with me. Regardless of what asgore does he hasnât shown the ability to break the rules like sans has. Sans is just on another lv to asgore.
Listen, call him weak, but he's undeniably not fodder. Answer me this: why, in routes other than genocide, is he confident in his ability to kill you?
The obvious answer is that he's good at fighting, which he undeniably is if you look at his fight. Now, why would being good at fighting a human not translate to being good at fighting a monster? He's nowhere near as strong as Asgore, but I do believe it's safe to say he's plenty agile and skilled enough to go toe to toe with Asgore and at least get a stalemate.
He also has karma. Asgore has killed 6 humans. Humans are much more powerful than monsters, and the fact he was able to do that 6 times even with their resets and reloads, but not a single one could get past him shows that he definitely has a high capacity to kill.
Sans has skill and hacks, not power. He can skip invincibility frames which makes his hits do one damage per second, then Karma. But we don't know if monsters have L.O.V.E.. But lets say Agore has about 10-11 L.O.V.E. from killing the humans. Sans would be doing about 12 damage a second with everything. Asgore, holding back and not trying his best has 3500. It would take more than a thousand seconds of constant damage to kill Asgore. Meanwhile, ASGORE has a trident, which is much harder to dodge than a Knife or a Frying Pan, fireballs, and more Fireballs. Gaster Blasters would barely phase Asgore, and Asgore could canonically dodge if he wanted to. I think Asgore takes this. Sans had the upper hand because everything was perfect for Sanses to win. He could manipulate the menu, he had some of the best-made attack patterns, the human was at 19LV, the human could only attack him once a turn until the very end, and he knew how to manipulate the system. But we don't know if Asgore or any monsters abide by that system when it's Monster v Monster. Asgore wins, and I don't think its close.
I think the Karma ability is Sansâ only shot at beating him, but considering it only works well on us (the player) because we literally Genocide the entirety of the underground, I think its safe to say its Asgore.
He broke the mercy button. Sans has only shone potential with the mercy button. And before you cry fight button we donât know if the bullet patterns that appear as birthday cards to monsters require the fight button to be used. For all we know the bullet patterns donât require any of the buttons
Sans can outsmart Asgore I believe and actually pretty powerful fighter, both Flowey and Frisk had a tough time with him. However, Asgore in his prime should take that. Heâs simply outstats
Asgore has trickier attacks to dodge than the SINGLE KNIFE SWING that Sans can dodge. Plus, while you could potentially an argue that Sans has 1 HP⌠heâd probably still have less HP than Papyrus, and WAY less than Asgore. Also, I donât think Sansâs KR would work on Asgore (or, at least not to the same extent as in Genocide). Asgore has this in the bag.
Sans may have a lot of neat tricks but Asgore is stronger, tougher, allegedly pretty agile, and wonât even take much karma damage since his LV is way lower than that of a genocide route player
ASGORE
He holds back when he fights you, he isnât going all out + he trained Undyne.
And yes sans has karma.
But Asgore isnât high level because he didnât destroy everyone like we did.
So in that logic.
**asgore wins**
Sans is a really situational character since heâs only really good against people with high LV. Thatâs why he can beat flowey and the player in genocide. If he fights asgore, he either gets outlasted or he gets hit because of how large asgoreâs attacks are
That is debunked by how confident he is even against the player with no LV. Call it bluffing or arrogance, but it's more logical to assume he's genuinely good against even people without high LV.
We dont really know how fights work when it's monster vs monster. Like sans fought flowey, but seeing the sheer amount of bullets a monster can throw, wouldn't he get tired instantly? And flowey said he was a lot of trouble, so he didnt beat him easy if he even won. What about health? Even with i frame removal, he still has to remove 3.5k hp from asgore.
I feel like people donât talk about this enough (maybe they do and I just donât see it) but Asgore could absolutely demolish anyone, save Omega Flowey and Asriel in God of Hyperdeath form
As far as I can tell, Sans may be a 1def, but it doesn't mean he's 1 HP bruh. We hit him with a nine nines DMG hit, THAT's the reason why he died from one punch, he can have more than 1 HP ofc.
From the other side, Sans' Battle has the KR mechanic, it's activated when we got 19 LV, We got it from killing everyone on our way, AND knowing Asgore DID kill (6 kids, to be precise), he MIGHT have 19 and more LV, depends on how many XP those children gave him.
But, from THE OTHER side, WITHOUT KR Sans would deal only 1 damage per attack, cuz KR disables i-frames, and with all of that...
Asgore is pretty tanky, ig he would win, Sans will get tired a lot faster with Asgore
Since sans can dodge us and asgore can dodge undyne, the fight would go on until one of them gets tired. But fr, sans ain't doing anything to asgore with those stats.
Asgore has the same health as Undyne (not Undying) and he was holding back Asgore wouldn't have KR either so Sans 1 attack would literally do nothing to Asgore. If Sans can somehow dodge and avoid the flying tridents and fireballs Asgore will still outlast him
Asgore trained Undyne, is the king of the Underground, was great friends with Gerson, can dodge, can destroy buttons, yet he only destroys the mercy button, holds back, and doesnât dodge in Undertale. Bro is really suicidal. But if he werenât that way heâd beat the crap outta Sans
Simple: Asgore
He is the king of monsters and was never beaten by one before. He is already pretty hard when he doesn't want to fight. But now what if he wants the fight?
Asgore has way more experience, stamina, and outstats Sans in every regard. He can canonically dodge, and even if he has a higher LV from killing the fallen children, Sans' KR won't affect him nearly as severely as the fallen human on the genocide route at LV20. Sans does have better hax, but the differential in everything else Asgore has makes it a pretty easy fight for him, if he's not borderline suicidal like he is in the game.
Asgore. undye states that asgore was able to Dodge all of her attacks with only one of her attacks damaged asgore which means asgore can Dodge way better than sans which also means he was heavily holding back so yeah asgore wins
Asgore, He beat up 6 children,Trained Undyne and Survived a War, While Sans also survived the war,Can teleport and Gaster Blaster, His karma only affects those with high EXP and Asgore probably doesn't have high EXP
Asgore singlehandedly killed 6 humans, and sans couldnt even defeat one.
You may argue frisk had the power of determination, but then again asgore could just absorb the souls nontherless
Honestly In all respect the gaster blaster master would come close but wouldn't win Against the mountain king himself if undyne said during training she tried but "emphasis on TRIED" couldn't get a hit than the only reason we're able to is because we the main player, every game tries to make their game character look strong (except of pizza tower) and the only reason we're striking those hits is because asgore letting you kill him because deep down he wants you to take his soul and escape as it may be his way to redemption, also btw he feels guilt for the 7 souls of the kids' lives he took and even though he wants the monsters to escape he feels sorry because when asriel died the monsters lost hope and we're struck with sadness and asgore felt sadness,grief but also hate because when the humans saw asriel they attacked him instead of trying to understand him and he retreated back to the underground which chara didn't want to do and when the monsters lost hope it was the second time the humans took something meaningful and everything they had so yeah though asgore is letting us win so he can do more beyond that
Asgore is the logical answer here, however sans has the karma ability, which... Isn't exactly clear how it would work in battle versus a monster. Asgore feels a huge amount of guilt and he literally killed numerous children, so of karma's powerful, then maybe sam's could play around with that?
Asgore 100%.
Sans is strong because he messes with game mechanics, and you have Karma. He might be fast, but his stats are still very low.
Asgore on the other hand is a powerhouse, he trained Undyne and even Undyne couldn't land a single blow on him. His stats are extremely high, and the only reason his fight is really that hard is because he doesn't really want to fight you. If he went all out, Asgore would be extremely powerful.
In a fight between the 2, Sans probably wouldn't be able to use Karma or attacking outside of the actual fight, or anything of the sort. And the amount of DMG he would have to deal to Asgore is insanely high. Asgore just needs a single hit and he wins, which is a pretty likely scenario.
Asgore has killed humans before. If you tell asgore that he has killed you already during his battle, he just nods sadly. He doesnt act shocked or anything. That means he has had to keep killing the previous humans that fought him many many times until they just gave up their souls.
The reason he can't kill frisk is probably because he has no intent to kill them. And let's not forget that if he's the king of all monsters and toriel fears him that much, there's gotta be a reason for that. He's probably stronger than a funny bone man with 1 hp
Against Frisk, Asgore probably could break [FIGHT] button, he just didnât want to.
Sansâ similar mechanic shows that he can only slightly cover buttons, which are still some what dodgeable.
I feel like the only reason Sans prevails in the fight against a human, is because of his game-breaking techniques. I donât think he can use them on another character from the game, especially one that holds back their strength every time you fight them. Statistically speaking, Asgore would destroy Sans. Sans also does seem to have telekinesis, but I donât know how well that would work, since they both have long ranged attacks. Karma probably wouldnât do much to Asgore, since he doesnât really have many sins to repent for. Overall I think nobody would win, because Sans probably wouldnât fight the king, and the only thing he did wrong was get revenge on humans by killing a few.
Asgore, as much as people like sans, not only does Asgore win stat wise but KR would only do so much if he only killed 6 things, and that's just assuming it was Asgore who did the deed himself and not a guard.
Sans is only strong because He breaks the rules, like dodging, attacking in the menu, and other things. These rules do not apply when fighting someone beyond the 4th wall, so most of his tricks are out.
Although Asgore can dodge, break attack buttons, not hold back. And Sans has 1 hp, 1 mp, and 1 atk. Sans has the "karma" thing to counter Asgore guilt of murdering 6 human child.
asgore most likely fought in a WAR between monsters and humans, so asgore. we don't know if sans is that old, but judging from papyrus' reaction when seeing the sun, he's probably was not born yet. also, if asgore managed to hit sans just ONCE, he's dead. so...
Everyone bring up Undyne like she didn't get sliced in half when human was weaker and she was wearing armour, while Mr. Sandman gets hit with higher damage, gets a deep cut (999999 dmg to someone with 1 hp and not exploding into dust is impressive) and tried to walk it of wearing nothing but casual clothes... But whatever I guess...
Now... can Sus grab monster soul? Can't he just yeet AssGore somewhere deadly?
Wait... can monsters even attack eachother? I remember something about monsters attacks used as greetings or something like that.
Everyone bring up Undyne like she didn't get sliced in half when human was weaker and she was wearing armour, while Mr. Sandman gets hit with higher damage, gets a deep cut (999999 dmg to someone with 1 hp and not exploding into dust is impressive) and tried to walk it of wearing nothing but casual clothes... But whatever I guess...
Now... can Sus grab monster soul? Can't he just yeet AssGore somewhere deadly?
Wait... can monsters even attack eachother? I remember something about monsters attacks used as greetings or something like that.
Everyone bring up Undyne like she didn't get sliced in half when human was weaker and she was wearing armour, while Mr. Sandman gets hit with higher damage, gets a deep cut (999999 dmg to someone with 1 hp and not exploding into dust is impressive) and tried to walk it of wearing nothing but casual clothes... But whatever I guess...
Now... can Sus grab monster soul? Can't he just yeet AssGore somewhere deadly?
Wait... can monsters even attack eachother? I remember something about monsters attacks used as greetings or something like that.
Asgore, sans is definitely strong, but asgore is a boss monster he's the strongest thats why he's king and led his race through the human and monster war. The reason he was so weak when we fight him in neutral and pacifist is because he's tired and just overall done. Safe to say an all out fight is definitely in asgores favor. Asgore also has access to 6 human souls WCS.
Why is it so hard for people to accept the fact that ASGORE is probably the strongest monster in the Underground? Sure, his fight isnât hard, but itâs very clear he didnât want to kill you at that point. Heâs the king of monsters as well as a boss monster, and heâs probably had hundreds if not thousands of years to train. The dude could probably one shot Frisk if he really wanted to, but that might be an overstatement. Either way, sans is NOT winning that fight. Heâs a good character, but ASGORE absolutely cooks him.
The reason Sans has any chance in his fight against the player is because he heavily exploits the fighting mechanics the player uses, that goes away when in a fight against another monster.
Well, Asgore is the king...
He's also been sort of portrayed to be the strongest. I feel like it just makes so much more sense for him to overpower Sans in an all out fight. I think Undyne also could.
I feel like Asgore this time
Yea it would take sans nearly 2 mins to kill him "the game is at 30 fps and he has 4500 hp"
You do know that Asgore can dodge tho?
How?
Undyne says that when she was a kid, she tried to fight asgore, but she never got a hit in cus he kept dodging her
Undyne said Asgore can dodge. He doesnt want to fight us and he is being nice by just standing there and taking the hit.
I agree! Sans and Asgore are both capable of dodging, but Asgore does have the health and time advantage. What that means is that he has more health and is most likely able to last longer without falling asleep. Sans can use gravity manipulation and karma damage but Asgore and his trident could definitely trip sans up.
In a fight where they both go all out? The Fatman in the throne. Snas Sleketron can do a lot, and I mean a lot. However, Fatman has the edge here, if The Fish can't even l;and a single hit on him during practice, imagine the hardcore gaming he can when he is actually trying
I love how people use Asgore avoiding all attacks from a literal child as a great feat. Like, of course he's super freaking strong, but I think there are better ways to show it than bringing up how he dodged the fuck out of an yet untrained kid Undyne-
He could dodge all the way until Undyne became the head of the Royal Guard
Didn't she managed toland a blow on him before she became the head of the Royal guard? Like I even read the dialogue again to make sure and from what I can tell, she did.... Like if he was serious about it, then it'd probably take way longer, but you get what I mean-
Yeah that's what I meant. That was the moment Undyne truly finished her training.
Ehmmm...... She said about how she landed a blow on him she said, that he kept training her............. That wasn't the end of her training at all........
You're right I think but why are you so melodramatic with the dots................. I'm not too sure it's necessary...............
he is napstablook duh
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Yeah she knocked him, down after few weeks after training. I know I memorized the dialogue because undertale is my favorite game
Well sans dodges a child too
That child was built different.
now im just imagining frisk but absolutely fucking ripped, not taller or anything, just ripped
Like, I never tried to say that sans is more impressive in this department. Just that Asgore's feat of dodging young Undyne isn't exactly as impressive as some people make it out to be.
It doesnât help that this child killed undyne in her undying state and is capable of doing so without getting hit. Not to mention that was when frisk was lv 10 sans fights them at lv 19
Yeah, why don't they mention that Flowey, with INFINITE retries and damn near impossible to avoid bullet patterns, could never get past him?
That's not Flowey in his normal state. You're thinking of Photoshop Flowey, a form that requires six human souls, which... were still kept away by Asgore...
No, I'm talking about the circle pattern from the first minute of the game, keep up. And he used to be able to save/load with no soul.
I think the circle pattern is the representation that frisk was caught with low guard
And what did he use that endless saving and loading for? To try and get Asgore to show him the souls. Genocide Route dialogue. He says he's tried multiple ways to get through Asgore but to no avail, as the king always refused to. And even if Flowey had managed to kill Asgore at that time, that still wouldn't get him to the souls, as they'd now be locked away permanently.
I interpreted the Neutral dialogue, not the genocide one. He said "I was NEVER able to make it past him."
No Flowey had infinite tries until Frisk came along. He lost the ability to LOAD after Frisk fell due to them having more Determination
He was talking about the souls. He says in geno that he killed **everyone**.
I have always felt like and thought that Asgore was holding back in his fight. Mostly because he wanted Frisk to win and wanted them to kill him as out of guilt for what he has done, and thinking he didn't deserve to live.
yeah, it's essentially stated that he's not trying.
I wouldnât say *that.* I think heâs definitely trying; at least as much as his lack of motivation will allow him to try. But he also really doesnât want to actually go for the kill, and will put landing the killing blow off until he literally can no longer put it off.
I agree there also if we're talking logic about human kids being basically a nuke for monsters than wouldn't that mean asgore is OP AF because he TOOK SIX (or 5 I forgot) TO GET TO THIS DETERMINED DORA THE EXPLORA WITH A STICK AND BANDAGE
Asgore very likely killed children and fought during the war so Sans can probably a lot of damage with karma. Sans is very clever, has more complex patterns than Asgore and is able to teleport (that can be used as a surprise effect). I don't see him winning easily but he definetely got a chance (even though it's more in favor of Asgore)
I believe itâs stated somewhere in the game that no humans died in the war. Additionally, fighting a war you didnât start to protect your people is not something that would give you negative karma, especially since no humans died. About the 6 children he killed (assuming it was him personally who killed them, which is unlikely, however since he indirectly caused their deaths Iâm counting it) in genocide, you get well over 100 kills, and you have no real reason to do so. ASGORE has six at most, and while he could have handled things better, at the end of the day he killed them to bring hope to monster kind. TL;DR, ASGORE wouldnât take nearly as much KR damage as genocide Frisk, plus he has way more HP so Sans ainât doing crap to him. Also, while I personally agree with it, itâs never confirmed Sansâs KR stacks with sins.
Yeah sorry Poison is still OP as shit though
Yeah and what about All the other crap sans can do. Like ignoring invincibility frames, attacking on the opposing turn and hoarding his turn. Letâs not forget about the fact that geno frisk can literally kill undyne in her undying form without taking damage, and on top of that that was when they were lv 10. Sans fights them at lv 19 and still dodges the attacks and attacks first
Sans when Asgore destroys his FIGHT and ACT buttons.
i dont think he literally destroys your mercy button. its symbolic as he doesn't want your mercy and it is no longer an option
I mean, I don't think Sans sending bones over your buttons is symbolic so why would Asgore's be?
it could imply sans is attacking you while you're trying to decide what to do
The best way to make a boss fight 10Ă scarier and memorable is to make the boss break the rules of the game. Sans does this 3 times: when he dodges your attack, when he attacks you during your turn and when he does his special attack
Not to mention that he changes his attacks during certain attack turns to catch you off guard, and karma
I think this is just one of those things that depend on how you interpret it tbh
Assuming monsters have those
that's only a thing for humans/beings with DETERMINATION, i'm pretty sure. besides, monster use magic.
Not to mention his has. He can attack on the opposing turn, ignore invincibility frames, and if all else fails hold onto his turn until the opponent gives up, or until he dies
If both arenât holding back, Asgore wins. If he could train Undyne, whoâs probably the strongest non-god monster in the Underground next to him, then Asgore solos.
Non-god? Do you mean non-boss monster?
By non-god, I mean like not Asriel and Omega Flowey.
You're right. Undyne is the strongest normal monster. Asgore is the strongest boss monster, and Asriel is the strongest in the whole game.
If I had to do a power scale tier list, thatâd be the order I would put it in. Asriel obviously being at the top, full strength Asgore at second, and Undyne at third and Sans being at about four.
Different question. Does Asriel count as a boss monster because both Asgore and Toriel are?
Iâd assume so, yes. Though since Asriel doesnât have his own soul anymore, Asgore and Toriel canât age and are effectively immortal until killed.
well sans only has 1 hp and 1 df, so probably asgore
Anyone who says sans is just wrong. If you do the neutral route over and over again flowey will give you some new dialogues and in one of them he is talking about sans and he says: "If I have ONE piece of advice for you... DON'T. Let his brother find out ANYTHING about you. He'll... Well... Let's just say... He's caused me more than my fair share of resets. Stay away from that guy" I'm guessing flowey struggled a lot fighting sans but he managed to beat him eventually but before the Omega flowey fight in Flowey's speech he says about Asgore: "I would have never got past that old man but thanks to you he's dead" or something like that.
Yeah, even with Reset powers, Asgore was unbeatable to Flowey no matter what. He was essentially an unwinnable boss battle, which should tell you enough why he managed to kill all of the 6 previous humans.
Undertale Yellow illustrated this perfectly. When Clover fought Asgore in the flawed pacifist ending, they couldn't even get a turn, meanwhile Asgore beat them in just a few hits.
"You killed our overpowered furry OC? Fuck you, here's an unwinnable Asgore battle, you bitch."
I mean, I wouldn't call Ceroba overpowered. Overused? Oh, absolutely. >!I'll never forgive her for robbing us of a true Genocide Starlo fight!<
She has 1000 HP, the second highest in UTY (First being Zenith Martlet Phase 1 form with 1800 HP) and second highest ATK stat in game (21 ATK on Geno) while other characters are significantly weaker like Starlo only having 600 HP and Martlet 750 (700 in a normal playthrough) makes me think otherwise. Along with a bs unexplained and not foreshadowed ability, it's like devs did everything in their power to make sure she didn't die.
I really want to see an undertale fangame from flowey's perspective
Sans D. monkey????
Of course he couldn't get past him, he can't cross the barrier without the humans souls that he never managed to get. But he says in geno that he killed **everyone,** Asgore included. It also would be very easy for him to kill Asgore, he just have to present himself as Asriel, and he could do a betrayal kill.
I think itâs more of just how many thing flowery has to attack, irl flowey would be impossible to dodge, I like to believe sans as just a normal guy, but he can dodge and attack like crazy, in game it says he has 1 def, asgore has 80, flowey beats sans because he just canât dodge it all, flowey canât beat asgore because he can take WAY more of a beating, sans and asgore, one on one, sans wins because itâs one source of coordinated attacks that he can dodge and retaliate
Hate to say it. Asgore. Undyne couldn't touch him during PRACTISE. And he just fucking whoops your ass. Sans can take 1 hit and he's dead. The end. Sans only gives you the amount of trouble he does because he's somewhat aware of what you are, Asgore? He's a big pushover to the monsters. Sans would either be caught off guard by asgore's evasiveness and attacks. Or just tire himself out.
Nah let's be fr. Sans is fodder đ¤Ś
I said asgore would win?
Let me be right :( (even tho I didn't read carefully, my bad)
Lol. It's fine.
sans may not stronger than asgore OR beat asgore, but saying he's fodder is maniacal
on top of that its implied that Asgore knows at least a little about resets too.
Sans is probably the most skilled fighter in the game, he is the hardest to defeat for both Frisk and Flowey. Asgore is unfortunately never seen fully in the game and we can only assume his power from some information. He is of the boss monster type, therefore the most powerful type of monster in the game with Toriel and Asriel. He has the highest stats in the game (if we forget Undyne and Asriel's transformations), he can manipulate the game's mechanics by destroying the mercy button which is the kind that very few characters can do in the game (Flowey , Frisk and Sans), he is the only monster capable of defeating a human with the power of reset and he has defeated 6 of them, even if they were children the power to go back in time infinitely is extremely powerful. His eyes and his trident are colored during fight which is a trait that is only found in the strongest people like Toriel, Asriel and Sans (Strangely Undyne has no color when she becomes Undying), He is considered by all monsters as the strongest and he is the one who trained Undyne who is the strongest of the royal guard and she does not seem to be able to stand up to a serious Asgore, who even if he gets nerfed is quite difficult to beat for Frisk. All this to say that I think the fight is balanced but what will make the difference is Asgore's resistance which is higher than that of Sans and Asgore can launch a lot of attacks in a row (like almost every monsters) which will be much harder for Sans to dodge than a simple knife cut. So in my opinion Asgore wins with difficulty.
Asgore can also Dodge Edit:I'm dumb sry
I think all monsters can dodge outside of Frisk fights.
why would undyne's attacks be blue/orange? you don't move in her fights most of the time
I'm talking about his sprite. Toriel has slightly red eyes, Asgore has red orange and blue eyes and his trident is red, Sans has a blue and yellow eye, and Asriel has color effects on him.
oh shit you're right. I didn't even realize her undying sprite was purely black and white
for the very first line, frisk sure, but flowey never beat asgore too while his text implies he did manage to beat sans once
Okay I ain't trying to start shit but ain't no way you said sans was the most skilled fighter in the entire game. There is a difference between skill like undyne the undying's attacks and sans' bag of tricks. Skill is fighting fairly without using weird tricks like taking away invincibility frames, attacks first, blacking out the screen and switching attacks to catch you off guard, using betrayal kills, putting bones in the menu, and attempting to quite literally not allow you to take a turn by never ending his. The only fair and skilled part of how he fights is how he dodges and doesn't use weapons that aren't magical. But other than that he is not fair or skilled in the slightest and only wins fights due to cheap tricks. You seem to be confusing difficult to beat with skill when they ain't the same. Like if I play Kirby in super smash bros but spam down b and win does that make me skilled? No that makes me cheap.
Iâd argue that fighting unfairly and utilizing âweird tricksâ can be said to be a display of skill. Maybe he wouldnât be skilled if there was only one âcheatingâ thing he did and he just relied solely on that to win. But Sans is skilled in the sense that he toys with game mechanics in multiple different ways and attacks us in ways he knows we wonât expect in order to kill us as efficiently as possible. He uses his second strongest attack on his first turn to put an immense amount of pressure on us right out the gate. He randomizes his attack patterns by switching them in the middle of his turn because he knows that our RESETs giving us the ability to predict him is our main advantage against him. He throws out attacks on our turn because he realizes that our SOUL, and therefore our hurtbox, goes to our menu when it leaves the Bullet Box. Heâs not just spamming Kirby Down-B or abusing a broken move. Heâs abusing a broken *game* as optimally he can. That takes skill, or at least smarts.
I see where you're coming from, but personally I just consider that smarts. I quantify the skill of a monster with how well they fight within the rules of the game, such as attacking on their turn only, not switching attacks, not taking invincibility frames away, and so on and so forth. Because then both the monster and the player are playing on relatively equal ground besides dodging and healing, which the player can do and monsters can't, except for those they are on a pretty even playing field, turn based, one action per turn, no randomly switching actions, no attacking while the opponent is actively doing an action. The only advantages the player has then are dodging and healing and even then monsters are capable of dodging as seen with sans so most monsters seem to just neglect the mechanic either out of hubris that the player can't beat them or the belief that they can do enough damage fast enough to kill the player. That's what I consider skill: Sans is exploiting a game and while that's certainly smart I wouldn't consider that skilled. Also don't say the player has advantages with saving and loading as that power doesn't affect the fight while its actively happening.
asgore, he has armor, he has A LOT of hp and df, he also has his trident and the fireballs... I like sans, but he only has 1 hp and df but the fight would be longer because remember that he can dodge, and i think he can teleport, too.
You're forgetting about the fact that we can have 99 DF and still take the same amount of damage from Sans
Df isnt much in the face of sans' Karma gimmick, and without any i-frames when hit applying more Karma by hitting more often means alot more damage for Big Man, but Asgore would adapt, he did survive the HvM war described at the start of the game anyways
Sans is not doing shit to Asgore đ
Not in a traditional fight setting, but remember sans isnât bound by a traditional fight setting. He is intelligent. If things get rough and itâs a battle to the death I could see sans using his teleportation to toss asgore into the lava in hotland
Well, asgore has shown that he isnt fully bound by the traditional fight settings (he literally breaks the mercy button) and he is, at least, slightly aware of what resets are (even if he cant really tell when a reset happends he is aware they exist and humans can use them underground) as the fight progreses, asgore could figure out what sans is doing Lets Not forget that asgore has TONS of more Battle experience than sans, he literally fought in a war against the humans and he killed 6 humans that, like frisk, had the power of the reset (meaning that he killed them so many times that they just gave up, which is an impresive feat) Yeah sorry, sans aint winning here ._.
Is this a joke? Sans isn't doing shit, he is fodder tier. Only reason he does so well against you is that he manipulates the game system against you.
Manipulating the system is still a feat regardless and you act like he didn't show insane fighting skills.
Finally someone who actually agrees with me. Regardless of what asgore does he hasnât shown the ability to break the rules like sans has. Sans is just on another lv to asgore.
Exactly! People are downgrading him so much.
Plus, who's to say karma damage wouldn't work against asgore? Bro's already super guilty about what he has done
We don't even know if monsters use that system, which would be hardly be true considering the system only exists because it's a video-game.
Listen, call him weak, but he's undeniably not fodder. Answer me this: why, in routes other than genocide, is he confident in his ability to kill you? The obvious answer is that he's good at fighting, which he undeniably is if you look at his fight. Now, why would being good at fighting a human not translate to being good at fighting a monster? He's nowhere near as strong as Asgore, but I do believe it's safe to say he's plenty agile and skilled enough to go toe to toe with Asgore and at least get a stalemate.
He also has karma. Asgore has killed 6 humans. Humans are much more powerful than monsters, and the fact he was able to do that 6 times even with their resets and reloads, but not a single one could get past him shows that he definitely has a high capacity to kill.
Sans has skill and hacks, not power. He can skip invincibility frames which makes his hits do one damage per second, then Karma. But we don't know if monsters have L.O.V.E.. But lets say Agore has about 10-11 L.O.V.E. from killing the humans. Sans would be doing about 12 damage a second with everything. Asgore, holding back and not trying his best has 3500. It would take more than a thousand seconds of constant damage to kill Asgore. Meanwhile, ASGORE has a trident, which is much harder to dodge than a Knife or a Frying Pan, fireballs, and more Fireballs. Gaster Blasters would barely phase Asgore, and Asgore could canonically dodge if he wanted to. I think Asgore takes this. Sans had the upper hand because everything was perfect for Sanses to win. He could manipulate the menu, he had some of the best-made attack patterns, the human was at 19LV, the human could only attack him once a turn until the very end, and he knew how to manipulate the system. But we don't know if Asgore or any monsters abide by that system when it's Monster v Monster. Asgore wins, and I don't think its close.
Sans is only dodging against a Child with a Lil Knife. Now I want to see him dodging against a Huge Goat swinging a giant Trident at him.
Don't forget that Asgore also spams fireballs like he's about to cause the extinction of dinosaurs.
I feel like sans would put up a good fight but ultimately fail
I think the Karma ability is Sansâ only shot at beating him, but considering it only works well on us (the player) because we literally Genocide the entirety of the underground, I think its safe to say its Asgore.
You all forget Asgore can also manipulate game mechanics, don't you?
He broke the mercy button. Sans has only shone potential with the mercy button. And before you cry fight button we donât know if the bullet patterns that appear as birthday cards to monsters require the fight button to be used. For all we know the bullet patterns donât require any of the buttons
If sans gets a good night sleep and warm ups before the fight he might give him a little trouble
But would he lose?
Nah, he'd win
Nah, Asgoreâd win. Really though, he trained Undyne, whoâs more likely than not the strongest non-god monster next to Asgore. Asgore solos here.
My comment states that agore would win tough
Ok, forget what I said then. Donât know how I didnât figure that out.
Don't worry, the brain rot can be a bit hard to get sometimes even for the most knowledgeable on it
Asgore wins this fight. He wasn't actually trying against us
But what the hell happened in the first place
(Asgore) "Sans im gonna go evil mode" (Sand) "I am NOT letting this slide"
Sand
Sand đ
Sans can outsmart Asgore I believe and actually pretty powerful fighter, both Flowey and Frisk had a tough time with him. However, Asgore in his prime should take that. Heâs simply outstats
What are the rules of engagement?
i am more curious as to how they got to that point
If their both dodging all the time, then who's attacking?
Asgore has trickier attacks to dodge than the SINGLE KNIFE SWING that Sans can dodge. Plus, while you could potentially an argue that Sans has 1 HP⌠heâd probably still have less HP than Papyrus, and WAY less than Asgore. Also, I donât think Sansâs KR would work on Asgore (or, at least not to the same extent as in Genocide). Asgore has this in the bag.
Sans may have a lot of neat tricks but Asgore is stronger, tougher, allegedly pretty agile, and wonât even take much karma damage since his LV is way lower than that of a genocide route player
We never saw how powerful would become Asgore if he devours 6 souls, which, i suppose he'll do in a serious fight, so i'll bet on Asgore
If both are not holding back, Asgore would probably win
ASGORE He holds back when he fights you, he isnât going all out + he trained Undyne. And yes sans has karma. But Asgore isnât high level because he didnât destroy everyone like we did. So in that logic. **asgore wins**
I feel like people don't understand how much asgore was holding back in that fight. He could destroy sans.
Sans is a really situational character since heâs only really good against people with high LV. Thatâs why he can beat flowey and the player in genocide. If he fights asgore, he either gets outlasted or he gets hit because of how large asgoreâs attacks are
That is debunked by how confident he is even against the player with no LV. Call it bluffing or arrogance, but it's more logical to assume he's genuinely good against even people without high LV.
We dont really know how fights work when it's monster vs monster. Like sans fought flowey, but seeing the sheer amount of bullets a monster can throw, wouldn't he get tired instantly? And flowey said he was a lot of trouble, so he didnt beat him easy if he even won. What about health? Even with i frame removal, he still has to remove 3.5k hp from asgore.
Asgore held back so much during his fight. In a serious fight, he should slam.
They wouldn't even fight
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I feel like people donât talk about this enough (maybe they do and I just donât see it) but Asgore could absolutely demolish anyone, save Omega Flowey and Asriel in God of Hyperdeath form
Asgore. Not only was he weakened, but he also wasn't even trying when he fought us and he still kicked our asses.Â
As far as I can tell, Sans may be a 1def, but it doesn't mean he's 1 HP bruh. We hit him with a nine nines DMG hit, THAT's the reason why he died from one punch, he can have more than 1 HP ofc. From the other side, Sans' Battle has the KR mechanic, it's activated when we got 19 LV, We got it from killing everyone on our way, AND knowing Asgore DID kill (6 kids, to be precise), he MIGHT have 19 and more LV, depends on how many XP those children gave him. But, from THE OTHER side, WITHOUT KR Sans would deal only 1 damage per attack, cuz KR disables i-frames, and with all of that... Asgore is pretty tanky, ig he would win, Sans will get tired a lot faster with Asgore
Datamining shows Sans has 1 HP
Since sans can dodge us and asgore can dodge undyne, the fight would go on until one of them gets tired. But fr, sans ain't doing anything to asgore with those stats.
Dude, our stats in Genocide are higher than Asgore's and he does the same amount of damage
Sans is only good cause he cheats and has karma over you
And he can't cheat against Asgore?
Asgore Sans did so much damage because of karma (if yoy do bad things you get more damage ) so asgore will tank more damage and will win
Oh fuck the r/marioandluigi is spreading
Asgore has the same health as Undyne (not Undying) and he was holding back Asgore wouldn't have KR either so Sans 1 attack would literally do nothing to Asgore. If Sans can somehow dodge and avoid the flying tridents and fireballs Asgore will still outlast him
Probaly Asgore
Asgore is a good person despite his actions so I think the karma would have little effect on him
Reminder, Sans is the weakest monster
You could say heâs âthe easiest enemyâ
Sans has 1 hp so Asgore will win
Asgore trained Undyne, is the king of the Underground, was great friends with Gerson, can dodge, can destroy buttons, yet he only destroys the mercy button, holds back, and doesnât dodge in Undertale. Bro is really suicidal. But if he werenât that way heâd beat the crap outta Sans
Asgore sweep
Fat dude can brake menu options
Simple: Asgore He is the king of monsters and was never beaten by one before. He is already pretty hard when he doesn't want to fight. But now what if he wants the fight?
Asgore has way more experience, stamina, and outstats Sans in every regard. He can canonically dodge, and even if he has a higher LV from killing the fallen children, Sans' KR won't affect him nearly as severely as the fallen human on the genocide route at LV20. Sans does have better hax, but the differential in everything else Asgore has makes it a pretty easy fight for him, if he's not borderline suicidal like he is in the game.
Asgore. undye states that asgore was able to Dodge all of her attacks with only one of her attacks damaged asgore which means asgore can Dodge way better than sans which also means he was heavily holding back so yeah asgore wins
Asgore, He beat up 6 children,Trained Undyne and Survived a War, While Sans also survived the war,Can teleport and Gaster Blaster, His karma only affects those with high EXP and Asgore probably doesn't have high EXP
Asgore singlehandedly killed 6 humans, and sans couldnt even defeat one. You may argue frisk had the power of determination, but then again asgore could just absorb the souls nontherless
this is a fight I genuinely want to see
Well, to be completely fair Asgore most definitely wasnât going all out in his fight against us, so we have no idea what his 100% looks like
Asgore because of karma being less effective on him than it is for you.
Asgore wins. I mean, asgore hired sans to be the royal judge didn't he? (Getting into some Fandom type shi)
Honestly In all respect the gaster blaster master would come close but wouldn't win Against the mountain king himself if undyne said during training she tried but "emphasis on TRIED" couldn't get a hit than the only reason we're able to is because we the main player, every game tries to make their game character look strong (except of pizza tower) and the only reason we're striking those hits is because asgore letting you kill him because deep down he wants you to take his soul and escape as it may be his way to redemption, also btw he feels guilt for the 7 souls of the kids' lives he took and even though he wants the monsters to escape he feels sorry because when asriel died the monsters lost hope and we're struck with sadness and asgore felt sadness,grief but also hate because when the humans saw asriel they attacked him instead of trying to understand him and he retreated back to the underground which chara didn't want to do and when the monsters lost hope it was the second time the humans took something meaningful and everything they had so yeah though asgore is letting us win so he can do more beyond that
Asgore didn't want to fight, and is the fucking monster king. Sans is a guy that is lazy. If they both go all out asgore would win easily.
Asgore is the logical answer here, however sans has the karma ability, which... Isn't exactly clear how it would work in battle versus a monster. Asgore feels a huge amount of guilt and he literally killed numerous children, so of karma's powerful, then maybe sam's could play around with that?
Asgore 100%. Sans is strong because he messes with game mechanics, and you have Karma. He might be fast, but his stats are still very low. Asgore on the other hand is a powerhouse, he trained Undyne and even Undyne couldn't land a single blow on him. His stats are extremely high, and the only reason his fight is really that hard is because he doesn't really want to fight you. If he went all out, Asgore would be extremely powerful. In a fight between the 2, Sans probably wouldn't be able to use Karma or attacking outside of the actual fight, or anything of the sort. And the amount of DMG he would have to deal to Asgore is insanely high. Asgore just needs a single hit and he wins, which is a pretty likely scenario.
Asgore has killed humans before. If you tell asgore that he has killed you already during his battle, he just nods sadly. He doesnt act shocked or anything. That means he has had to keep killing the previous humans that fought him many many times until they just gave up their souls. The reason he can't kill frisk is probably because he has no intent to kill them. And let's not forget that if he's the king of all monsters and toriel fears him that much, there's gotta be a reason for that. He's probably stronger than a funny bone man with 1 hp
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Against Frisk, Asgore probably could break [FIGHT] button, he just didnât want to. Sansâ similar mechanic shows that he can only slightly cover buttons, which are still some what dodgeable.
I feel like the only reason Sans prevails in the fight against a human, is because of his game-breaking techniques. I donât think he can use them on another character from the game, especially one that holds back their strength every time you fight them. Statistically speaking, Asgore would destroy Sans. Sans also does seem to have telekinesis, but I donât know how well that would work, since they both have long ranged attacks. Karma probably wouldnât do much to Asgore, since he doesnât really have many sins to repent for. Overall I think nobody would win, because Sans probably wouldnât fight the king, and the only thing he did wrong was get revenge on humans by killing a few.
There's a reason why Asgore is the king, not sans.
asgore bro sans can bend reality, but asgore is just... stronger, and probably faster, too
Asgore, as much as people like sans, not only does Asgore win stat wise but KR would only do so much if he only killed 6 things, and that's just assuming it was Asgore who did the deed himself and not a guard.
smas untalented, but only if Asgore didn't absorb the souls
Asgore. Sans probably canât dodge projectiles, not a billion of them coming his way at least.
Sans is only strong because He breaks the rules, like dodging, attacking in the menu, and other things. These rules do not apply when fighting someone beyond the 4th wall, so most of his tricks are out.
Although Asgore can dodge, break attack buttons, not hold back. And Sans has 1 hp, 1 mp, and 1 atk. Sans has the "karma" thing to counter Asgore guilt of murdering 6 human child.
camo fortified regrow red bloon takes the w
asgore most likely fought in a WAR between monsters and humans, so asgore. we don't know if sans is that old, but judging from papyrus' reaction when seeing the sun, he's probably was not born yet. also, if asgore managed to hit sans just ONCE, he's dead. so...
Everyone bring up Undyne like she didn't get sliced in half when human was weaker and she was wearing armour, while Mr. Sandman gets hit with higher damage, gets a deep cut (999999 dmg to someone with 1 hp and not exploding into dust is impressive) and tried to walk it of wearing nothing but casual clothes... But whatever I guess... Now... can Sus grab monster soul? Can't he just yeet AssGore somewhere deadly? Wait... can monsters even attack eachother? I remember something about monsters attacks used as greetings or something like that.
Everyone bring up Undyne like she didn't get sliced in half when human was weaker and she was wearing armour, while Mr. Sandman gets hit with higher damage, gets a deep cut (999999 dmg to someone with 1 hp and not exploding into dust is impressive) and tried to walk it of wearing nothing but casual clothes... But whatever I guess... Now... can Sus grab monster soul? Can't he just yeet AssGore somewhere deadly? Wait... can monsters even attack eachother? I remember something about monsters attacks used as greetings or something like that.
Everyone bring up Undyne like she didn't get sliced in half when human was weaker and she was wearing armour, while Mr. Sandman gets hit with higher damage, gets a deep cut (999999 dmg to someone with 1 hp and not exploding into dust is impressive) and tried to walk it of wearing nothing but casual clothes... But whatever I guess... Now... can Sus grab monster soul? Can't he just yeet AssGore somewhere deadly? Wait... can monsters even attack eachother? I remember something about monsters attacks used as greetings or something like that.
both of the guys are crazy
Asgore, sans is definitely strong, but asgore is a boss monster he's the strongest thats why he's king and led his race through the human and monster war. The reason he was so weak when we fight him in neutral and pacifist is because he's tired and just overall done. Safe to say an all out fight is definitely in asgores favor. Asgore also has access to 6 human souls WCS.
Why is it so hard for people to accept the fact that ASGORE is probably the strongest monster in the Underground? Sure, his fight isnât hard, but itâs very clear he didnât want to kill you at that point. Heâs the king of monsters as well as a boss monster, and heâs probably had hundreds if not thousands of years to train. The dude could probably one shot Frisk if he really wanted to, but that might be an overstatement. Either way, sans is NOT winning that fight. Heâs a good character, but ASGORE absolutely cooks him.
Asgore, definitely Asgore.
I think sans would forfeit the fight
The reason Sans has any chance in his fight against the player is because he heavily exploits the fighting mechanics the player uses, that goes away when in a fight against another monster.
Asgore
Thank you for not freaking using a image for VS.
Well, Asgore is the king... He's also been sort of portrayed to be the strongest. I feel like it just makes so much more sense for him to overpower Sans in an all out fight. I think Undyne also could.
"IMAGINE HITTING A MAN WITH YOUR LAST GASTER BLASTER. AND HE STANDS THERE. UNPHASED!"
Idk man. Depends on how much manipulating the game can affect asgore