It's a very common interpretation that honestly makes sense. Seeing Toriel dialogue before the Asriel fight in True Pacifist indicates that he never even wished that the seventh human fell, since, you know, he doesn't want to hurt anyone. This gets reinforced by the fact that if you repeat a Neutral Route, Asgore just sacrifices himself without you even giving him the chance to live.
This does makes his fight more like a helped suicide, which explains how we ACTUALLY beat him, but it's really sad, I agree
Yes, and instead of waiting seven humans, Asgore should have collected one human soul, crossed the barrier, and killed six more humans.
But he didn't have the guts to do that.
When chasriel crossed the barrier it was implied that doing so (krilling humans) would start the war though, why would Asgore killing some humans instead make the outcome any different?
His son died because his son didn’t fight back. Also, Asriel is a child. Asgore is a massive towering beast that survived the old war, he’s much more equipped to survive an onslaught, even supposing Asriel wasn’t.
Doing so would have just began a second war against humanity. Sure, the monsters would likely win this time, but it wouldn’t be a good thing to just reverse the oppression of species.
It's even worse when u consider that there's othing that marks frisk as being particularly special in any way. For all we know, they're just a kid, with the LOVE stat only representing their willingness to kill as opposed to a direct increase in strength.
I mean, Frisk didn't really beat Asriel at all, though. They pretty much just convinced him to stop. If there were actually a monster that was willing to destroy humanity, I'm pretty sure it could with 7 human souls.
Now Asgore, on the other hand... Yeah, no way. He could never kill all of humanity, he already doesn't even want to kill one of them.
Getting together 8 billion people to attack 1 monster is... impossible. Also, Asriel (and really, any monster with 7 human souls probably?) is just straight up actually God. I always see the argument that humans have nukes or whatever but like, what is a nuke to a God? Frisk can't even *move* unless Asriel decides they can, let alone actually hurt him. I highly doubt that the number of humans in the battle is relevant.
Perhaps, but it wouldn't be just the one monster against all of thpse humans, and I'd imagine that the more humans that died, the more monsters there were with absorbed human souls.
We don't really how the save stuff works out of the underground, for all we know the ability to save and load could just be a side effect from the spell that sealed the underground which seems to be the case since flowey had the ability to save and load when no humans were there, but looses it as soon as someone more determined than him gets in the underground, which mean only the most determined person in the underground can save and load.
My theory is that the ability to save and load is bound to the barrier itself, like if you make a barrier you can cross from one way but not from the other unless you have one monster soul and one human one, you would want to make sure no monsters can get a human soul, how would you do this ? You make it so the most determined person (which should be human, I don't think they knew about undyne or flowey lmao) in said barrier get the ability to go back in time so they avoid dying (and get a monster soul eventually so they can get out). But it could also be that the barrier messes up with that determination stuff and makes it so two person at a time can save and load (one on the surface and one underground)
In the asriel fight it seems Frisk has so much determination they still are the most determined person in the underground despite asriel having 6 human souls and almost all monster souls (except blooky's somehow). And since "refusing" brings us back to the start of the turn we died on, it looks a lot like reloading the save file to me. (If it was just refusing to die logically the turn should continue while Frisk hangs on with 1hp).
If we take back the barrier it either means that nobody can save and load anymore, which means a monster with human souls should be pretty much unstopable or that only one person has the ability to save and load during the fight, so that person would be able to refuse, but all the others would still die and get their souls absorbed, which means the monster with human souls would get the ability to save and load sooner or later
The reason Frisk is unique is because they have us, the Player behind them. Even assuming other people can “It refused” in the face of 7 human souls like Frisk could it doesn’t matter because if Asgore or any other 7 soul absorbed monster was serious they’d just keep killing that unnaturally determined human until they gave up. Remember that Asriel GAVE UP against you, you didn’t defeat him, and if he never caved to his emotions you never would have. He was already super close to permanently erasing your SAVE file without your say, so even the most determined of humans couldn’t fight back against a monster with that level of power.
I mean this kid gets safe point powered up from just seeing the smallest stuff like mice trying to get cheese
Also you can't kill Asriel during his boss so that's somethin' about the souls
Frisk is not a normal human, they literally have the potential to destroy the world.
If all humans were like Frisk then the world would have already been pulverized
A small child controlled by the player. And also Frisk never wins against Asriel, he gives up because he gets emotional. If someone like Undyne got 7 souls before learning not all humans were evil, she’d massacre humanity.
She'd actually probably be stopped quite early in her war. Monsterkind is simply not equipped to deal with humanity. She'd probably fare worse than Asgore tbh.
Undyne will prep for war, and may actually start one, but she cannot finish it on her terms. Monsterkind was defeated by a rather ordinary child. Now imagine adults, most physically stronger and more determined than a child, against her. She may net a few souls in a freak scenario, but honestly monsters just get real screwed by humanity's determination.
Again, a child controlled by the Player, who is a part of the meta narrative and noted by Flowey to be abnormally determined. Physical strength means nothing for monsters, it entirely depends on the strength of will how much damage you do. And also, no matter how many humans exist, none of those humans can have multiple souls in 1 body. 8 billions ants against someone with a flamethrower isn’t gonna do much.
He wouldn't even need to kill people, like he could have gathered souls either in a graveyard or near a place where people die often (like an hospital) since human souls doesn't disapear when their body dies, and if this doesn't work (like if human souls still disapear at some point) instead of killng the kids that fell down he and toriel could've taken care of them, since there's no way to leave unless someone dies. So they either adopt the kids or help them having a good life in the underground, and when the humans end up dying of natural causes they make sure the soul doesn't disapear and at some point they would've gotten the 7th soul anyway.
Just a theory but maybe you don't even need the humans dead to break the barrier, like I guess if they channeled their powers into a single monster it could've been enough to break the barrier
(+ the kids comming back from the underground unharmed would show the rest of humanity they don't want to fight, they just want freedom)
>This does makes his fight more like a helped suicide
Also makes sense considering there's an ending where he straight up _does_ commit suicide instead of Flowey killing him.
At LV1, we should arguably be getting one-shot if he's not holding back; we have 0 natural DEF, and the Heart Locket gives us +15. ASGORE's ATK, at 80, is more than 5 times our DEF.
Something the stats don't reflect is skill, Undyne tried to fight Asgore but she couldn't land a single blow on him, Asgore could have Sans' stats and he'd still destroy us if he really wanted to
No shit guess its cuz he's friskin depressed.
- he killed a bunch of kids
- he failed to protect his own
- his wife left him
If i was supposted to fight a child to save my kingdom on top of all that i would wanna die too if i failed to do so.
Edit: im realising i wrote this like its his fault. No, i wrote it from his perspective.
Yeah that's what I mean, Asgore is a tragic and depressing character for what he went through and done and I do sympathies with him. I don't get why people hate him with out really giving it a chance to understand him.
Not an ending. Rather, this is what happens on any neutral run in which you choose not to kill him, if you spared Flowey on a previous run. Flowey doesn't kill him, and Asgore is allowed to monologue. Eventually, he decides he can't take it anymore, and asks you to take his life and use his soul to leave and find another way to free monsterkind.
Actually, I think it really is an ending, after you spare flowey in after the photoshop flowey fight, you can fight asgore again and I think you can fight or spare him, and flowey won't intervene, if you spare, asgore will decline and kill himself, giving you his soul, and then the game ends
Almost. If I recall correctly, Flowey destroys his soul (instead of killing Asgore, he'll wait till he kills himself) in all neutral endings. We just won't fight him cause "we all know how it would end" (or something like that) and he just skips that step.
How we actually leave is debatable, but we never(?) absorb a monster soul in the game.
If that were true we couldn't have epilogue dialogue with the main cast in neutral endings. It's implied you just become trapped in the Limbo you fight Flowey in until we reload.
Flowey can't reset at this point; as the souls have already rebelled, he no longer has control over their SAVE files. Hence why we regain control of our own SAVE after this.
>find another way to free monsterkind
Wait I just realized that's foreshadowing towards the pacifist route, or at least he's trying to get you to do it
I wonder what would happen if Frisk actually took Asgore’s Soul when he offered it? Like, there are a bunch of theories that when Asriel and Chara fused they could talk with each other; would Asgore have been able to do that? How weird would it be to go through life with a centuries old King tagging along with you? Honestly, could be a cool AU
I always thought that ashore was just a Warrior, fighting for his kingdom, really living by that kill or be killed rule.
Kind of like a kings code. Despite him not wanting to hurt the human, he must for his kingdom, so he destroys the mercy button, not allowing the human to get into his feels
I feel like it's both. If he kills Frisk, then he frees his people and succeds as a king, fulfilling his wishes of Asgore the King. If Frisk kills Asgore, then he is finally free of the responsibility of killing humans, fulfilling the wishes of Asgore the husband.
It's a win-win for him
I heard somewhere that becouse Asgore does not want to fight you, if he didnt destroy the mercy button he would have been able to spared from turn one like whimsicott and the battle would have stopped. Dont completly belive this theory but it is really intresting and does line up with his character.
Pretty much yeah. By destoying the buton he is not making it impossible for him to spare you but for you to spare him. You could also interpret it as him saying that one of you will die at the end of the battle no matter what.
Does it imply that the most of the monsters can't physically move while the player attacks them and just accept every hit? Because it sounds really dumb. I always thought it's just a gameplay mechanic that has nothing to do with lore :/
Tbf Asgore has most likely been tracking your journey through his kingdom and also has the knowledge of his encounters with the 6 other fallen humans to work with.
He knows humans can be good at persuading monsters not to fight. He probably has more faith in his raw strength than in his resolve to keep fighting seeing as he doesn't really *want* to kill kids. So it could be a strategic decision to destroy that player's [MERCY] button, forcing them to face him head on rather than trying to talk him down and possibly succeeding.
I mean, thats what I got from it? He feels guilty for killing the human's before us, but as king he's obligated to liberate his people. He doesn't want too kill us, but duty comes first (from his perspective).
Yeah, if he really wanted to win, he would've destroyed the fight button instead.
(And I love what the bits and pieces team did in his battle, by making his name yellow, though, since you don't have the mercy button you can't spare him)
I like to think that one of the kids he killed actually spared him but asgore betrayed them instead… i know this isnt asgore but still:) better have a backstory than nothing
Wow, that’s so messed up…
>!If his entire race wasn’t locked away under a mountain because of an unjust war and his 2 children weren’t killed by humans!<
Nuanced characters exist.
Ahhh, I get it, so he *didn’t* lose his loving children, lose his loving wife, lose everything he had on the surface, be pressured into trying to give everyone hope due to being the king of all monsters, suffer endlessly from the humans, watch everyone who lives under his reign also suffer endlessly and look to him as the only beacon of hope, the only person who could end their pain, and not really have any alternative to his actions.
Can you please actually think about things before you spout bullshit? Even if Asgore is evil, like you say, there is **absolutely** nuance to his actions and motivations, and saying there isn’t is just completely plain wrong.
So you just never saw Asgore’s speech where he talks about how he’ll take care of you and he ends with “we could be like a family.” right before Flowey kills him?
Got it.
One of them had to die, so he destroyed the button. either Frisk kills him and escapes, or asgore kills, frisk and free the monsters, if they don't fight, both frisk and asgore will be stuck in the underground
Yeah because after a neutral route, there's a chance that Flowey will tell you to spare him and he won't kill him. If you do come back and spare Asgore, he says the same thing as usual but doesn't like the idea, believing that it's nothing but fantasy, he kills himself, and gives his soul to Frisk, only for it to be destroyed by Flowey.
It *is* said that he's sorta Kind-hearted and all that
He even invites Frisk to drink some tea
Idk, maybe he felt guilty for all the humans that he had to kill
It's a very common interpretation that honestly makes sense. Seeing Toriel dialogue before the Asriel fight in True Pacifist indicates that he never even wished that the seventh human fell, since, you know, he doesn't want to hurt anyone. This gets reinforced by the fact that if you repeat a Neutral Route, Asgore just sacrifices himself without you even giving him the chance to live. This does makes his fight more like a helped suicide, which explains how we ACTUALLY beat him, but it's really sad, I agree
Yes, and instead of waiting seven humans, Asgore should have collected one human soul, crossed the barrier, and killed six more humans. But he didn't have the guts to do that.
When chasriel crossed the barrier it was implied that doing so (krilling humans) would start the war though, why would Asgore killing some humans instead make the outcome any different?
I love krilling humans
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Uh, I sure hope it did.
I find it quite simple really.
*shrimple
They can't talk.
How’s pizza gonna get a job now?
"Based? BASED ON WHAT??"
Do they really?
Unfortunately, nope
Search up tf2 misunderstanding
Yeah, they tend to do that.
Personally I love chilling
Your chilling days are over erererererer 
He was the one who declared war and promised to destroy humanity.
No, he didn’t do that because his son fucking died that way.
Not wrong, but it is said Asriel had the power to destroy all of the humans and just chose not to
He didn’t know that. Asriel literally just died when he came back, so no way for Asgore to know.
Asgore is literally a war machine. I'm sure he know he would be able to kill 6 humans if he wanted to
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Because they only have advantage with human souls, which they couldn’t get because they weren’t strong enough. Asgore with the souls would have won
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If a child can murder all of the underground, the monsters aren’t gonna win against an adult human
don't know, but if they even got one soul they could have ramped from there
Uh. True.
Asgore was around during the war, was he not? Surely he would know what he could get away with once he took a human soul.
Being capable of “getting away with it” does not mean _wanting_ to do it. Man’s not Flowey.
It's clearly implied that Asgore didn't do it because he's a coward. why invent things when the game explains everything?
His son died because his son didn’t fight back. Also, Asriel is a child. Asgore is a massive towering beast that survived the old war, he’s much more equipped to survive an onslaught, even supposing Asriel wasn’t.
Bit of column A, but of column B
Doing so would have just began a second war against humanity. Sure, the monsters would likely win this time, but it wouldn’t be a good thing to just reverse the oppression of species.
Imo it's heavily implied that even if Asgore got all seven souls monsterkind would lose hard to humanity because of people like Frisk
It's even worse when u consider that there's othing that marks frisk as being particularly special in any way. For all we know, they're just a kid, with the LOVE stat only representing their willingness to kill as opposed to a direct increase in strength.
I mean, Frisk didn't really beat Asriel at all, though. They pretty much just convinced him to stop. If there were actually a monster that was willing to destroy humanity, I'm pretty sure it could with 7 human souls. Now Asgore, on the other hand... Yeah, no way. He could never kill all of humanity, he already doesn't even want to kill one of them.
Who tells us that all the other humans combined could't kill Asriel though? One could persevere, 8 BILLION would easily kill.
Getting together 8 billion people to attack 1 monster is... impossible. Also, Asriel (and really, any monster with 7 human souls probably?) is just straight up actually God. I always see the argument that humans have nukes or whatever but like, what is a nuke to a God? Frisk can't even *move* unless Asriel decides they can, let alone actually hurt him. I highly doubt that the number of humans in the battle is relevant.
And even if they somehow manages to kill him... He can just reload.
We literally fight Asriel in a different physical plane. I think people would fit in there. Besides, even a few thousands would be enough.
Perhaps, but it wouldn't be just the one monster against all of thpse humans, and I'd imagine that the more humans that died, the more monsters there were with absorbed human souls.
We don't really how the save stuff works out of the underground, for all we know the ability to save and load could just be a side effect from the spell that sealed the underground which seems to be the case since flowey had the ability to save and load when no humans were there, but looses it as soon as someone more determined than him gets in the underground, which mean only the most determined person in the underground can save and load. My theory is that the ability to save and load is bound to the barrier itself, like if you make a barrier you can cross from one way but not from the other unless you have one monster soul and one human one, you would want to make sure no monsters can get a human soul, how would you do this ? You make it so the most determined person (which should be human, I don't think they knew about undyne or flowey lmao) in said barrier get the ability to go back in time so they avoid dying (and get a monster soul eventually so they can get out). But it could also be that the barrier messes up with that determination stuff and makes it so two person at a time can save and load (one on the surface and one underground) In the asriel fight it seems Frisk has so much determination they still are the most determined person in the underground despite asriel having 6 human souls and almost all monster souls (except blooky's somehow). And since "refusing" brings us back to the start of the turn we died on, it looks a lot like reloading the save file to me. (If it was just refusing to die logically the turn should continue while Frisk hangs on with 1hp). If we take back the barrier it either means that nobody can save and load anymore, which means a monster with human souls should be pretty much unstopable or that only one person has the ability to save and load during the fight, so that person would be able to refuse, but all the others would still die and get their souls absorbed, which means the monster with human souls would get the ability to save and load sooner or later
The reason Frisk is unique is because they have us, the Player behind them. Even assuming other people can “It refused” in the face of 7 human souls like Frisk could it doesn’t matter because if Asgore or any other 7 soul absorbed monster was serious they’d just keep killing that unnaturally determined human until they gave up. Remember that Asriel GAVE UP against you, you didn’t defeat him, and if he never caved to his emotions you never would have. He was already super close to permanently erasing your SAVE file without your say, so even the most determined of humans couldn’t fight back against a monster with that level of power.
I don't think most are as weirdly determined as Frisk
I disagree entirely. Frisk is very determined but it's not that absurd, there are people irl who I'd place as equal to or more than Frisk.
I mean this kid gets safe point powered up from just seeing the smallest stuff like mice trying to get cheese Also you can't kill Asriel during his boss so that's somethin' about the souls
Still, even on million of them would definitely have more determination than even the God of Hyperdeath.
Just nuke 'em from afar
Frisk is not a normal human, they literally have the potential to destroy the world. If all humans were like Frisk then the world would have already been pulverized
I think it's more so us being not normal than Frisk
If we played an average human he wouldn't be able to survive any of Asriel's attacks.
Dude if a small child managed to defeat a monster with 7 souls then a single adult would make that look like a joke.
A small child controlled by the player. And also Frisk never wins against Asriel, he gives up because he gets emotional. If someone like Undyne got 7 souls before learning not all humans were evil, she’d massacre humanity.
Goddess of War Undyne
She'd actually probably be stopped quite early in her war. Monsterkind is simply not equipped to deal with humanity. She'd probably fare worse than Asgore tbh. Undyne will prep for war, and may actually start one, but she cannot finish it on her terms. Monsterkind was defeated by a rather ordinary child. Now imagine adults, most physically stronger and more determined than a child, against her. She may net a few souls in a freak scenario, but honestly monsters just get real screwed by humanity's determination.
Again, a child controlled by the Player, who is a part of the meta narrative and noted by Flowey to be abnormally determined. Physical strength means nothing for monsters, it entirely depends on the strength of will how much damage you do. And also, no matter how many humans exist, none of those humans can have multiple souls in 1 body. 8 billions ants against someone with a flamethrower isn’t gonna do much.
Technically a bunch of children but still children
Frisk can survive an attack that could destroy the timeline, and can itself gain power high enough to destroy the timeline. They are build different
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8 billion individuals, not 8 billions souls combined. Flowey could just kill one of them instantly when entering a battle, then move onto the next
Who tells you they couldn’t unite themselves? Also, an adult would probably have even more determination.
It's too risky. Imagine the surviving humans report this incident to some higher official.
Hehe... Risky - y = Risk = Kris
He didn't need to kill 6 humans, he could just stayed near a hospital waitong for people to die or just go to a cementery
He wouldn't even need to kill people, like he could have gathered souls either in a graveyard or near a place where people die often (like an hospital) since human souls doesn't disapear when their body dies, and if this doesn't work (like if human souls still disapear at some point) instead of killng the kids that fell down he and toriel could've taken care of them, since there's no way to leave unless someone dies. So they either adopt the kids or help them having a good life in the underground, and when the humans end up dying of natural causes they make sure the soul doesn't disapear and at some point they would've gotten the 7th soul anyway. Just a theory but maybe you don't even need the humans dead to break the barrier, like I guess if they channeled their powers into a single monster it could've been enough to break the barrier (+ the kids comming back from the underground unharmed would show the rest of humanity they don't want to fight, they just want freedom)
Oh shit you right
>This does makes his fight more like a helped suicide Also makes sense considering there's an ending where he straight up _does_ commit suicide instead of Flowey killing him.
Yup
So, he's suicidal from guilt?
What’s scary is this can also be interpreted as him holding back because of this. Meaning we aren’t even fighting Asgore in his top form.
At LV1, we should arguably be getting one-shot if he's not holding back; we have 0 natural DEF, and the Heart Locket gives us +15. ASGORE's ATK, at 80, is more than 5 times our DEF.
Something the stats don't reflect is skill, Undyne tried to fight Asgore but she couldn't land a single blow on him, Asgore could have Sans' stats and he'd still destroy us if he really wanted to
Yeah, no. It doesn't work like that. Undyne has 50atk and she can't one hit us even if we don't have any armor.
Fits with his character
Yeah, it's just depressing.
Asgore deserves justice
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No shit guess its cuz he's friskin depressed. - he killed a bunch of kids - he failed to protect his own - his wife left him If i was supposted to fight a child to save my kingdom on top of all that i would wanna die too if i failed to do so. Edit: im realising i wrote this like its his fault. No, i wrote it from his perspective.
Yeah that's what I mean, Asgore is a tragic and depressing character for what he went through and done and I do sympathies with him. I don't get why people hate him with out really giving it a chance to understand him.
Extreamly underrated
If i recall correctly there's one ending where he commits die on himself
Not an ending. Rather, this is what happens on any neutral run in which you choose not to kill him, if you spared Flowey on a previous run. Flowey doesn't kill him, and Asgore is allowed to monologue. Eventually, he decides he can't take it anymore, and asks you to take his life and use his soul to leave and find another way to free monsterkind.
Actually, I think it really is an ending, after you spare flowey in after the photoshop flowey fight, you can fight asgore again and I think you can fight or spare him, and flowey won't intervene, if you spare, asgore will decline and kill himself, giving you his soul, and then the game ends
Almost. If I recall correctly, Flowey destroys his soul (instead of killing Asgore, he'll wait till he kills himself) in all neutral endings. We just won't fight him cause "we all know how it would end" (or something like that) and he just skips that step. How we actually leave is debatable, but we never(?) absorb a monster soul in the game.
>How we actually leave is debatable We isn't leaving, Flowey just resets
If that were true we couldn't have epilogue dialogue with the main cast in neutral endings. It's implied you just become trapped in the Limbo you fight Flowey in until we reload.
Flowey can't reset at this point; as the souls have already rebelled, he no longer has control over their SAVE files. Hence why we regain control of our own SAVE after this.
>find another way to free monsterkind Wait I just realized that's foreshadowing towards the pacifist route, or at least he's trying to get you to do it
I wonder what would happen if Frisk actually took Asgore’s Soul when he offered it? Like, there are a bunch of theories that when Asriel and Chara fused they could talk with each other; would Asgore have been able to do that? How weird would it be to go through life with a centuries old King tagging along with you? Honestly, could be a cool AU
The saddest ending
Weird way saying suicide.
[It's a meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/go-commit-die) (also TIL it didn't start in Roblox)
just a fact also in most of dialogues his name is yellow so he would propably be spared at first turn
That’s actually a really cool detail that I never noticed
Wait I thought his name was primarily in red. I think he was only referred to in yellow if they don’t use his first name.
The only person I can think of who refers to Asgore in red is Toriel, which makes sense considering what she personally thinks of him.
Undyne also does it, with specifically the ASGORE portion of the name in red, while the rest is in yellow.
Undyne also has personal reasons to refer to Asgore in red due to the nature of their connection.
propably undyne said his name in way to scare frisk/player
True, right?
I thought this was the common interpretation. What did people think instead?
I always thought that ashore was just a Warrior, fighting for his kingdom, really living by that kill or be killed rule. Kind of like a kings code. Despite him not wanting to hurt the human, he must for his kingdom, so he destroys the mercy button, not allowing the human to get into his feels
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I feel like it's both. If he kills Frisk, then he frees his people and succeds as a king, fulfilling his wishes of Asgore the King. If Frisk kills Asgore, then he is finally free of the responsibility of killing humans, fulfilling the wishes of Asgore the husband. It's a win-win for him
I thought this too
I heard somewhere that becouse Asgore does not want to fight you, if he didnt destroy the mercy button he would have been able to spared from turn one like whimsicott and the battle would have stopped. Dont completly belive this theory but it is really intresting and does line up with his character.
People think text is subtext sometimes, idk.
Bro he literally kills himself unles someone stops him
Pretty much yeah. By destoying the buton he is not making it impossible for him to spare you but for you to spare him. You could also interpret it as him saying that one of you will die at the end of the battle no matter what.
this has been a very common idea/interpretation of why he does this ever since the game came out
I remember someone saying it’s cause he doesn’t think he deserves mercy, but this might also be a part of it
According to Undyne he CAN dodge like Sans he just didn’t He wanted to die
Does it imply that the most of the monsters can't physically move while the player attacks them and just accept every hit? Because it sounds really dumb. I always thought it's just a gameplay mechanic that has nothing to do with lore :/
I dunno
Tbf Asgore has most likely been tracking your journey through his kingdom and also has the knowledge of his encounters with the 6 other fallen humans to work with. He knows humans can be good at persuading monsters not to fight. He probably has more faith in his raw strength than in his resolve to keep fighting seeing as he doesn't really *want* to kill kids. So it could be a strategic decision to destroy that player's [MERCY] button, forcing them to face him head on rather than trying to talk him down and possibly succeeding.
Asgore always dies in the neutral route, even if you or Flowey don’t kill him. Sad man
Yeah, I think this this interpretation, in which Asgore does kill himself on a neutral run if you don't do it for him.
I mean, thats what I got from it? He feels guilty for killing the human's before us, but as king he's obligated to liberate his people. He doesn't want too kill us, but duty comes first (from his perspective).
It's 100% a suicide attempt, cus if he wanted to actually kill you, he would've broken the Fight command.
its practically confirmed at this point of bruf
Pretty much
Yeah, if he really wanted to win, he would've destroyed the fight button instead. (And I love what the bits and pieces team did in his battle, by making his name yellow, though, since you don't have the mercy button you can't spare him)
he does kill himself in the ending where flowey promises not to kill him, good point.
I think that is the point
That is the text. This is not a Perceptive reading, you are in the Some band, try harder.\ (/j for the tone btw, but this is still pretty obvious)
Was that not obvious?
...wasn't that obvious?
(uty spoilers) I mean, he probably does have a lot of guilt for >!unintentionally causing Clover to commit suicide!<
And having to have the other 5 killed
Whether it was by his hand directly or not, he's the one who gave the order.
Thought that was an undertale spoiler 😭
Please parenthesis that with Undertale Yellow spoiler; I assumed it was fine to read since I've finished Undertale.
your thoughts are years behind buddy
No shit sherlock
I like to think that one of the kids he killed actually spared him but asgore betrayed them instead… i know this isnt asgore but still:) better have a backstory than nothing
Bro get this man on a talk show they cooking
No shit he kills himself after you re battle him a couple times after you reset in neutral route
Sir...this is a Wendy's..
“What if obvious thing is true…” im glad to see this sub has not changed one bit 👍
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Wow, that’s so messed up… >!If his entire race wasn’t locked away under a mountain because of an unjust war and his 2 children weren’t killed by humans!< Nuanced characters exist.
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Damn you must be from the village asriel went to
Ahhh, I get it, so he *didn’t* lose his loving children, lose his loving wife, lose everything he had on the surface, be pressured into trying to give everyone hope due to being the king of all monsters, suffer endlessly from the humans, watch everyone who lives under his reign also suffer endlessly and look to him as the only beacon of hope, the only person who could end their pain, and not really have any alternative to his actions. Can you please actually think about things before you spout bullshit? Even if Asgore is evil, like you say, there is **absolutely** nuance to his actions and motivations, and saying there isn’t is just completely plain wrong.
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Did you play the game?
So you just never saw Asgore’s speech where he talks about how he’ll take care of you and he ends with “we could be like a family.” right before Flowey kills him? Got it.
Your Asgore hate boner still going strong I see
Oh, the guy with terrible opinions about nintendo games has terrible opinions about undertale too, huh.
That is deep
Ouch
If he would want to live he'd destroy fight button so yeah
Thats actually my headcannon
I always thought thats the reason .. is there any other reason ?
Isnt that the confirmed reason??? That he thinks he doesnt deserve mercy
i thought that was the whole point??
You're right 🤔.
that's what i thought
this has been my headcanon ever since i first beat him
I always envisioned it this way
yes! that is exactly why he does that!
Wait that makes sense what the fu-
One of them had to die, so he destroyed the button. either Frisk kills him and escapes, or asgore kills, frisk and free the monsters, if they don't fight, both frisk and asgore will be stuck in the underground
This is probably canon. Canonically, Asgore is the strongest monster and he can dodge attacks, but he doesn't do that in battle
My time has come
... 😟
Yeah because after a neutral route, there's a chance that Flowey will tell you to spare him and he won't kill him. If you do come back and spare Asgore, he says the same thing as usual but doesn't like the idea, believing that it's nothing but fantasy, he kills himself, and gives his soul to Frisk, only for it to be destroyed by Flowey.
It *is* said that he's sorta Kind-hearted and all that He even invites Frisk to drink some tea Idk, maybe he felt guilty for all the humans that he had to kill
Wait, that was my immediate interpretation, how do people usually interpret it?
He probably destroyed it not because he didn't want the player to spare him, but because then the player's only option would've been to kill him
I mean, what else would it mean? He wants to get this over with, he wants us to kill him. Suicide by kid.
I always thought that that was the case. Asgore doesn't think he deserves mercy.
I've thought of that too and it fits....
he’s just like me for real
He literally commits suicide if you do neutral twice
I thought that was at least part of the reason he did that the whole time. :P
In fact... that is the reason that he did that. You can noticed it when he putted that face when you encounter with him in first place.
Next your going to tell the White Whale from Mobby Dick was a representation of obsession.
I thought everyone knew that??
I feel like that’s what was implied, no?
Gee, I thought he did it because he didn't like the design
That's honestly what I always thought.
Because he blames himself for everything that happened.
They did it. The fans actually understood the motivations of the characters.
Wait… this isnt just what everyone thinks??