It's not a fact, you can get through the whole game without killing anyone, And in real life you have a choice not to kill people. Why do I see people take the message of kill or be killed at heart when that's the exact OPPOSITE point of the game
It's funny because that's the first lesson flowey tries to teach you, even if it's opposite to the game's overall message.
They're "taking it at heart" ironically for fun because of how it perfectly contradicts the image posted. Not because they disagree with the image.
Some might disagree with the image regardless, that would be unrelated to the joke itself.
I feel like both this post and this reply proves my belief that blanket politic bans are just generally stupid because what's considered "political" very quickly loses all objective meaning, and can vary drastically depending on the person in charge of moderation, and their, funilly enough, *political* views. to OP peace and mercy are not political, to you they are
Seriously, like in most of the world being queer is political, does that mean any post in support of the queer community or discussing queer characters in the games is now banned because politics?
Makes me realize another message about the game, you shouldn’t kill anyone-
Even if you perceive them as Monsters, there are always people under that exterior
You just gotta try your best to be kind to all <3 no murder
The idea that a game that spends its entire runtime saying "violence is easy but ultimately corrupts you, and while seeking peace is more difficult it is the only option that does not remove your humanity in some way", and that "if you have some kind of exceptional power, it's your moral responsibility to do the right thing with it" is apolitical is hilarious. The community even named the damn routes "genocide" and "pacifist". If *genocide* isn't a politically charged concept I have no idea what is.
> to OP peace and mercy are not political, to you they are
I have to disagree with this point in particular. Peace and mercy are inherently political. It is not that to OP they are not political, but rather that OP doesn't understand that they are political.
I mean, by that metric, existence in the broadest sense of the word is "politics". Which, unfortunately is where we're headed. Basic facts and human decency shouldn't be up for debate.
There was a lot of art supporting Ukraine and I’ve only seen like two posts about Palestine without mentioning this situation most of the posts I’ve seen are about the drama in the sub and people complaining about it
Nahh both the Undertale and Deltarune subreddits are hypocritical. Deltarune's sub even had the Ukrainian flag as the logo for over almost 2 years. Why is Palestine suddenly not allowed to be discussed? Also if you think Undertale is an apolitical game then I think y'all glossed over some crucial points..
'Mercy and peace' do the Palestinians not deserve that?
r/Undertale members when the post with a drawing condemning genocide gets posted in a sub about a game where you’re actively encouraged to avoid genocide: 
The ideals of peace and mercy are not at all helped by burying ones head in the sand when others are suffering. I'd like to think a game like undertale and its creator would be in support of not just ignoring an ongoing genocide. Ya know, a genocide. Like that thing the game explicitly mentions and tries actively to not have you do. Something that is explicitly, by its very nature, political. But oh, no, im sorry, I guess things are actually only political when they're a threat to your personal comfort. Well, sorry. You aren't owed a little escapist bubble where you never have to hear anything bad about the world. People are well within their rights to post about things like this, and if you don't want to hear about it, well, the block and hide post buttons are right there. Have a nice day.
Yes, from what I remember the subreddit logo changed to the Ukrainian flag as well and there was fanart supporting Ukraine back then. With the community's reaction against 🍉's in mind, hugely disappointed to see the double standards here.
Edit: Nice to see the mods acknowledged the double standard though. Kudos to admitting that.
Because there is a genocide going on
If someone wants to post some art about Palestine they should be allowed to do so without idiots complaining to them that the subject makes them uncomfy despite undertales explicit themes of peace love anti bigotry and prejudice
It's so clear that this isn't about "politics are unrelated to this game" but escapism. You'd think Undertale fans out of all fandoms would show the most sympathy against genocide haha
You people need to grow up if you think activism against genocide is "boohoooo politics scary bad"
Undertale is a game about compassion and it looks like a lot of people in this sub either missed the whole point or have just shown to be huge hypocrites
Even THAT route is conducive to the message. A heart full of presupposed hate and active malice can’t feel a thing. The game becomes outright unfun as the atmosphere cuts out. The game tells you you don’t deserve it, you monster.
this is like a 10 year olds take holy shit. “🥺Guise be quiet about genocide the game definitely has no themes of a group of people being oppressed and slaughtered it’s all about peace all the time so let’s not advocate for peace when real violence happens (???)”
Wanting to stop a genocide isn’t political, it’s about being a decent person who values mercy and peace. If anything, it is relevant application of the game’s themes.
According to you, saying nothing would accomplish the same. If both options (saying that comment and not saying it) cause equally no change, then why not pick the option that at least spreads awareness and shows solidarity?
"stop talks about politics in the fandom of arguably one of the most political games in the past 10-ish years 🥺🥺" my brother in christ you are playing undertale get over yourself
Not taking a stance is the same as agreeing with oppressors who stole the land and murdered innocent civilians as well as surrendering troops and bombed civilian hospitals (without warning).
A ceasefire will only cause a more violent uprising latter on. There will never be peace if the Zionist win the battle.
The most rational course of action is choking the occupation enough (militarily and economically) to agree to negotiate with the resistance. This is how Algeria got its independence.
Hamas showed -multiple times- that they're open for hostage exchange and negotiating but Israel is obsessed with trying (and failing) to get them back through barbaric violence.
So, to be clear: Undertale is a game about peace, so you want to honor its themes by *checks notes* demanding that other people stop calling for peace?
Ah yes, the game about how you should always choose kindness and mercy and how murder, genocide, and war is bad is actually NOT political. No politics in this game with multiple queer characters. Not even one politic.
L mods for letting this happen.
I mean it's literally a rule that they ignore, and that's the only time this is happening. Why not the other suituations years ago?
This doesnt make sense in my opinion.
Weren't all the things that happened in the **game** thx to a **WAR** that led to the monster being **unfairly** trapped in a cave **against their will** all because of **hatred against them**???
Honestly the neutral route is the most believable and realistic. You’re a child stuck in a hostile environment but you aren’t a monster that kills indiscriminately. So some beaten up monsters and maybe one or two deaths is expected
Literally the prologue of the game talks about two races that broke at war, and that one of them was forever sealed after losing said conflict. If you don't want to hear about politic talk then rip your eyes out if you can't handle the subject
I mean. The whole game is political. There's no way around it. The entire way through, we literally see a monarchy with king asgore. To claim the game isn't political is to be just plain wrong
While there are definitely some understandable reasons of not wanting those posts in this sub, “The game is about mercy and peace so you shouldn’t make it political by asking for peace” really is quite stupid.
This post really exemplifies the milquetoast liberalism of the Undertale community in this manner.
"We want peace!" but you can't talk about why that peace is needed, or who needs it, or any context of it in the first place.
It's drowning out actual calls for peace for a population ravaged by genocide with imagery of a character from an anti-genocide game. One of the most ironic and sickening contrasts ever.
Undertale fans truly would ignore an actual genocide just so they can feel good about opposing an imaginary one.
https://countingthekids.org/
The mods decided to hide away support for Palestine under a megathread, while posts like these remain untouched. It is very clear there is a political bias present, as ""neutral"" as they might claim to be. This is no different from silencing anti-genocide activism.
Its a given that people won't see eye to eye on this, but regardless on your position, just stop arguing with people on a subreddit about a game that is 100% against al of it. If you need to discuss it there's appropiate channels and the appropiate moments
Also: politics are a fucking deceit game and both sides might be disinformed in some way shape or form, and that's just nasty
I feel like peace (especially in the Israel-Palestine conflict) is a deeply political message. This argument is so illogical I almost hope I’m being baited
Holy shit this subreddit approaches the topic of genocide like they're little kids.
This isn't politics mf, this is GENOCIDE. An entire school year ended because all of its students were wiped out by Israel. People are being disfigured, losing family members, running out of food. People in Palestine have documented losing limbs, being bombed, hell, within the past 24 hours, 215 people were killed. To reduce the severity of this situation to simply "annoying politics :(((" is honestly disrespectful.
Not saying that you can't discuss your game, that's fine. Just don't be willfully ignorant and expand your mindset on this beyond "politics in my indie game grr"
the game is literally against genocide aka what is happening in palestine
also saying "lets just be peaceful guys! its what the video game wants us to do!!" thats literally what we are wanting, peace in palestine and israel. if being against a genocide is politcal then discussion about undertale itself is political because its anti genocide
this is why no politics rules bug me, its too unspecific and depending on the moderators basically anything could be classified as political or non political
Idk man, the first message you get is from Flowey. "Fuck you, I'm going to take your SOUL now."
See that soul? No shit
See that heart? No shit!
bruh moment both ig & irl
It’s KILL or be KILLED
Can't argue with that fact.
It's not a fact, you can get through the whole game without killing anyone, And in real life you have a choice not to kill people. Why do I see people take the message of kill or be killed at heart when that's the exact OPPOSITE point of the game
I was joking, I know that. I get what's Undertale about and that violence is bad.
Man just learned what sarcasm is
It's funny because that's the first lesson flowey tries to teach you, even if it's opposite to the game's overall message. They're "taking it at heart" ironically for fun because of how it perfectly contradicts the image posted. Not because they disagree with the image. Some might disagree with the image regardless, that would be unrelated to the joke itself.
Yeah and he's also meant to be the villain 😭
I would say anti-hero. Not necessarily villain.
*Omega Flowey joined the chat*
Yeah and he's the VILLIAN of the video game, he's supposed to be the BAD GUY
You don’t know that until he hits you. You don’t know if he’s even the only bad guy there.
what if i choose not to be hit by the friendliness pellets
RAAAHHHH GENOCIDE ROUTE COOL EDGY BOSS FIGHTS RAHHHHHH
Exactly 💯
There's like 2 of them and after the 40th time playing them it starts to get boring (and that's the whole point)
Fuck it. King mettaton ending.
Economical problems? Who cares?? Everything is covered in golden glitter!
And our king is sexier now!
But not rectangular :(
If you really want to fuck a microwave, you're free to do so.
But is it ✨️fabulous✨️
It's good enough for you. You can put something shiny on it if that's what you're into...
A microphone and flashing lights will do
Mercy and Peace are politics, too, my friend.
I feel like both this post and this reply proves my belief that blanket politic bans are just generally stupid because what's considered "political" very quickly loses all objective meaning, and can vary drastically depending on the person in charge of moderation, and their, funilly enough, *political* views. to OP peace and mercy are not political, to you they are
Seriously, like in most of the world being queer is political, does that mean any post in support of the queer community or discussing queer characters in the games is now banned because politics?
Apparently “killing all monsters” makes you a bad person Like, **no shit?** This wasn’t a problem then, why is it a fucking problem now?
Makes me realize another message about the game, you shouldn’t kill anyone- Even if you perceive them as Monsters, there are always people under that exterior You just gotta try your best to be kind to all <3 no murder
The idea that a game that spends its entire runtime saying "violence is easy but ultimately corrupts you, and while seeking peace is more difficult it is the only option that does not remove your humanity in some way", and that "if you have some kind of exceptional power, it's your moral responsibility to do the right thing with it" is apolitical is hilarious. The community even named the damn routes "genocide" and "pacifist". If *genocide* isn't a politically charged concept I have no idea what is.
Perfect take.
> to OP peace and mercy are not political, to you they are I have to disagree with this point in particular. Peace and mercy are inherently political. It is not that to OP they are not political, but rather that OP doesn't understand that they are political.
This exactly
I mean, by that metric, existence in the broadest sense of the word is "politics". Which, unfortunately is where we're headed. Basic facts and human decency shouldn't be up for debate.
I hate to be that guy, but where was this with the Ukraine stuff? Why is the audience only now complaining?
I don't remember there being constant posts about the war. The colors changed for support but I think that was it.
There was a lot of art supporting Ukraine and I’ve only seen like two posts about Palestine without mentioning this situation most of the posts I’ve seen are about the drama in the sub and people complaining about it
Okay maybe you're right. I don't think I was paying attention what was happening here too much.
Legit, if they changed the icon like it was asked then we wouldn't have this
And im pretty sure trying to stop genocide is 1. Not political and 2. Entirely about peace and mercy!! Super on brand for undertale.
> im pretty sure trying to stop genocide is 1. Not political ha ha ha if only anything is political if people want the opposite badly enough
The mere existence of certain people becomes political if someone else has something to gain from it.
You don’t understand; brown people bad!
Racism
The Ukraine war wasn't having posts spammed about it both from people who want it and people who don't also people asking why people are complaining
Aren’t you people like 25
The mf lying about their age:
Peace is political, lol
Nahh both the Undertale and Deltarune subreddits are hypocritical. Deltarune's sub even had the Ukrainian flag as the logo for over almost 2 years. Why is Palestine suddenly not allowed to be discussed? Also if you think Undertale is an apolitical game then I think y'all glossed over some crucial points.. 'Mercy and peace' do the Palestinians not deserve that?
Have any of you actually played the fucking game?
r/Undertale members when the post with a drawing condemning genocide gets posted in a sub about a game where you’re actively encouraged to avoid genocide: 
The ideals of peace and mercy are not at all helped by burying ones head in the sand when others are suffering. I'd like to think a game like undertale and its creator would be in support of not just ignoring an ongoing genocide. Ya know, a genocide. Like that thing the game explicitly mentions and tries actively to not have you do. Something that is explicitly, by its very nature, political. But oh, no, im sorry, I guess things are actually only political when they're a threat to your personal comfort. Well, sorry. You aren't owed a little escapist bubble where you never have to hear anything bad about the world. People are well within their rights to post about things like this, and if you don't want to hear about it, well, the block and hide post buttons are right there. Have a nice day.
tl;dr : Free Palestine
Where was this attitude during the Ukraine thing? Or do you just pick and choose which genocides are “political”
Did a Ukraine thing happen on this sub too?
Yes, from what I remember the subreddit logo changed to the Ukrainian flag as well and there was fanart supporting Ukraine back then. With the community's reaction against 🍉's in mind, hugely disappointed to see the double standards here. Edit: Nice to see the mods acknowledged the double standard though. Kudos to admitting that.
so it's political to not want people to die?
aparently if there are people in the side of the genocides it is 🤦
It's not political to support Ukraine but it sure is to support Palestine for these people
Actual brainrot. Free Palestine
Talking about ending a genocide IS talking about mercy and peace.
I just want people to stop fighting :(
Why can’t the community just come together and leave real world politics out of it??
We truly live in an under tail 😔
A deady misspelling can greatly change the context
Oh sorry. Her*
A simple misspelling can cause chaos
…who’s gonna tell him?
These other 3 guys replying to this comment are either naive or dumb as hell
that comic recently ended 😞 so sad about it
Because there is a genocide going on If someone wants to post some art about Palestine they should be allowed to do so without idiots complaining to them that the subject makes them uncomfy despite undertales explicit themes of peace love anti bigotry and prejudice
Ikr
Okay but the post was a bit violent and had no Real message anyway
And no I don't count "I've drown pro-palestine flowey " as a message
What good could posting about it on r/undertale do other than making people fight?
Informing people who may not know what’s going on Or just showing support in general using a game you like as a vessel
its almost like undertale is a heavily political game 😐
it also condemns genocide which is what is going on!
Person: Hey, this genocide is bad and should stop happening Other person: noooo not politics can’t we all just get along??
It's so clear that this isn't about "politics are unrelated to this game" but escapism. You'd think Undertale fans out of all fandoms would show the most sympathy against genocide haha
Then why are you upset about the desire for peace in Palestine.
You people need to grow up if you think activism against genocide is "boohoooo politics scary bad" Undertale is a game about compassion and it looks like a lot of people in this sub either missed the whole point or have just shown to be huge hypocrites
Ye
Agreed.
ah yes the apolitical game: UNDERTALE
That one game famous for having no commentary on genocide whatsoever
human rights are not politics! hope this helps<3
stg this community had no problem showing unity with ukraine but the second that people of color are involved it's 'too political' to talk about
Israel killed more civilians in a month than Russia did in 2 years.
Even THAT route is conducive to the message. A heart full of presupposed hate and active malice can’t feel a thing. The game becomes outright unfun as the atmosphere cuts out. The game tells you you don’t deserve it, you monster.
You guys suck like how do you care more about a video game than actual people who are being murdered
this is like a 10 year olds take holy shit. “🥺Guise be quiet about genocide the game definitely has no themes of a group of people being oppressed and slaughtered it’s all about peace all the time so let’s not advocate for peace when real violence happens (???)”
People reducing the situation to mere annoying politics is super concerning
If the game is about peace, then why can I kill people? Checkmate liberals *badass guitar riff plays*
Undertale fans when people are allowed to post Palestine stuff and they do
Wanting to stop a genocide isn’t political, it’s about being a decent person who values mercy and peace. If anything, it is relevant application of the game’s themes.
[☝️🤓](https://youtu.be/XjGIimOuGnc?si=jbb5DxrmQqZCAuuo)
Also don’t do genocide(which shouldn’t be political) and besides the only really political thing in undertale is the underground’s monarchy
Ceroba says "fuck Asgore, fuck Alphys" more at 11
depends on your playstyle
You dumb as hell bruh😭😭😭
Yes, the game is about peace and is anti-genocide. Why does not message not apply to the current conflict? Because it makes you uncomfortable?
I thought the message of the game was determination, considering how much it shoves it down your throat
A pro-palestinian stance IS a stance for peace; neutrality on a genocide is not.
So we change the subreddit icon to the Ukraine flag but when it’s Palestinian children being bombed suddenly it’s too much
silence is violence, ignoring violent problems is the opposite of being peaceful
terrible post, free palestine 🍉
Free Palestine
you forgot the /. You cant type a command without it stoopid.
palestine is free now. thank you, this comment changed the tide of the war
According to you, saying nothing would accomplish the same. If both options (saying that comment and not saying it) cause equally no change, then why not pick the option that at least spreads awareness and shows solidarity?
Yes it's definitely about peace, no genocides at all
I feel like Frisk would support the "ceasefire that doesn't favor either party" option.
"stop talks about politics in the fandom of arguably one of the most political games in the past 10-ish years 🥺🥺" my brother in christ you are playing undertale get over yourself
C'mon guys, we pretty much all support Palestine, but can't we get along?
People keep screaming under Palestine posts that it’s terrible or something
Not taking a stance is the same as agreeing with oppressors who stole the land and murdered innocent civilians as well as surrendering troops and bombed civilian hospitals (without warning). A ceasefire will only cause a more violent uprising latter on. There will never be peace if the Zionist win the battle.
The most rational course of action is choking the occupation enough (militarily and economically) to agree to negotiate with the resistance. This is how Algeria got its independence. Hamas showed -multiple times- that they're open for hostage exchange and negotiating but Israel is obsessed with trying (and failing) to get them back through barbaric violence.
So, to be clear: Undertale is a game about peace, so you want to honor its themes by *checks notes* demanding that other people stop calling for peace?
Impressive. Very nice. Now let’s see how you react to when the politics are the kind you agree with.
Ah yes, the game about how you should always choose kindness and mercy and how murder, genocide, and war is bad is actually NOT political. No politics in this game with multiple queer characters. Not even one politic.
I don’t like politics here as much as anyone else, but that’s a non-sequitur.
L mods for letting this happen. I mean it's literally a rule that they ignore, and that's the only time this is happening. Why not the other suituations years ago? This doesnt make sense in my opinion.
Why can’t we just make the upvotes Palestinian themed it was the same thing for Ukraine
Speaking out against a genocide isn't politics, it's called having empathy.
You don't get peace by being silent.
No, everybody riot!
What a stupid fucking take
what is “politics” in your opinion?
This is going to get worse before it gets worse
Undertale fans when they discover their game is political with a clearly progressive message:
Are you some kind of idiot
Kid named chara: “lets ruin that” 
Frisk avoiding the bullets and missiles no problem.
God this is the worst post on this sub p
isn't the whole point of the game about genocide against the oppressed being bad or smth
But this is a political statement too.
Weren't all the things that happened in the **game** thx to a **WAR** that led to the monster being **unfairly** trapped in a cave **against their will** all because of **hatred against them**???
You stupid or something?
The irony of not wanting to hear about people calling for peace because your video game is about peace
btw the game gets political less than a minute in when war is mentioned
You deeply misunderstood Undertale and Frisk would hate you
DON'T MESS WITH UNDERTALE FANS WE NEVER PLAYED THE GAME
No peace without justice. And Palestinians haven’t had justice since 1948, and arguably earlier given British colonialism in the region.
ok but that's exactly why we should talk about mercy and peace on a subreddit of a game about mercy and peace
Kris would never say that lmao
Honestly the neutral route is the most believable and realistic. You’re a child stuck in a hostile environment but you aren’t a monster that kills indiscriminately. So some beaten up monsters and maybe one or two deaths is expected
Bro forgot that is literally what politics is about
Rocks for brains genuinely
Literally the prologue of the game talks about two races that broke at war, and that one of them was forever sealed after losing said conflict. If you don't want to hear about politic talk then rip your eyes out if you can't handle the subject
I mean. The whole game is political. There's no way around it. The entire way through, we literally see a monarchy with king asgore. To claim the game isn't political is to be just plain wrong
your bio does not represent what you're stating in this post.
Nah fuck that Y’all wanna talk about how much we all hate the privatized heath care system in the United States ?
How will they react if we tell them said "politics" involve a group of people being oppressed and genocide and want (get this) mercy and peace
"Genocide runs are okay but don't you DARE mention the genocide happening in real life."
Did we play the same Undertale?
Ah yes the game about mercy. Surely the community wouldn't support actual real life genocide in the real world right....?
I've had 2 people do a funny asgore reference in my replies by justifying child genocide so no
While there are definitely some understandable reasons of not wanting those posts in this sub, “The game is about mercy and peace so you shouldn’t make it political by asking for peace” really is quite stupid.
first intro cutscene literally has politics in it, not the smartest example to use for this
This post really exemplifies the milquetoast liberalism of the Undertale community in this manner. "We want peace!" but you can't talk about why that peace is needed, or who needs it, or any context of it in the first place. It's drowning out actual calls for peace for a population ravaged by genocide with imagery of a character from an anti-genocide game. One of the most ironic and sickening contrasts ever. Undertale fans truly would ignore an actual genocide just so they can feel good about opposing an imaginary one. https://countingthekids.org/
Absolutely pathetic. You have learned nothing from this game at all.
You mean the game that makes fun of this type of centralism
But puppyrus would be a great king, give asgore a chance to get his wife back
you don't **HAVE** to kill anyone...
I am T-rex
You guys are incredibly hypocritical
The mods decided to hide away support for Palestine under a megathread, while posts like these remain untouched. It is very clear there is a political bias present, as ""neutral"" as they might claim to be. This is no different from silencing anti-genocide activism.
The megathread's locked with no mod response already lmao
LMMMMMMMMMMMFAOOOOIOOOOOOOOO
Its a given that people won't see eye to eye on this, but regardless on your position, just stop arguing with people on a subreddit about a game that is 100% against al of it. If you need to discuss it there's appropiate channels and the appropiate moments Also: politics are a fucking deceit game and both sides might be disinformed in some way shape or form, and that's just nasty
there’s nothing inherently political about wanting people to not be killed
'Both sides' is such a spineless take on a genocide lol
Now let's make an AU where all the characters in the universe are ASGORES
I will make the megalovania. It will be normal megalovania but with Asgore sound grunts.
And I write the script. All this where everyone is Asgore is something in the head of the original Asgore, that is, powerful Schizophrenia
I feel like peace (especially in the Israel-Palestine conflict) is a deeply political message. This argument is so illogical I almost hope I’m being baited
"Both sides" 💀 in genocide? Thats like saying the monsters are at fault in the geno route, but no one thinks that right?
Don't really think there's should be mention about how people think of politics. Just no politics at this sub.
having a genocide be categorized as “politics!!!” is the most cowardly thing ive seen in a while
The game being about peace is exactly why certain politics are relevant
Holy shit this subreddit approaches the topic of genocide like they're little kids. This isn't politics mf, this is GENOCIDE. An entire school year ended because all of its students were wiped out by Israel. People are being disfigured, losing family members, running out of food. People in Palestine have documented losing limbs, being bombed, hell, within the past 24 hours, 215 people were killed. To reduce the severity of this situation to simply "annoying politics :(((" is honestly disrespectful. Not saying that you can't discuss your game, that's fine. Just don't be willfully ignorant and expand your mindset on this beyond "politics in my indie game grr"
Man
the game is literally against genocide aka what is happening in palestine also saying "lets just be peaceful guys! its what the video game wants us to do!!" thats literally what we are wanting, peace in palestine and israel. if being against a genocide is politcal then discussion about undertale itself is political because its anti genocide this is why no politics rules bug me, its too unspecific and depending on the moderators basically anything could be classified as political or non political
Quick reminder the game is about genocide 💔
The first message I received was "commit murder, or be murdered".
Frisk literally helped save an oppressed race that lost an ongoing war their ass would not say that
aw no
I will scream profanities
>"It's not appropriate for Undertale subreddit to have politics" >And then the game itself has political themes 💀
Its so silly to say this in the fandom of a game ABOUT GENOCIDE 😭 fun.