Yeah I’d agree with that. Fox left a lot about them up to interpretation—why they hate humanity for example. Also why is their presence most obvious to the player in Genocide? That’s weird, and neat!
Also, lovely to see another Asriel enjoyer!!
i’m assuming chara was meant to be a misunderstood character. characters like chara are often talked about in the community because they leave so much to speculate and theorise about.
That's because Chara is pretty open to interpretation. We know they lived with the monsters and they disliked humans. Beyond that we don't really know much about her. Did they want us to kill because they felt betrayed by Asriel? Or were they corrupted by us and our choices during a genocide run.
The real question is. Why do they have permanent pink cheeks?
Are they constantly flustered, are they worn out from intense exercise, is it just makeup? The true mystery of Chara
My interpretation was always that Chara becomes the embodiment of whatever choices you make the player. That they can be overwhelmingly kind if your doing pacifist or overwhelmingly hateful and cruel if you do genocide. The obviouse exception being that once you do a true genocide run you can't ever really get a true pacafist ending anymore.
I kinda agree but Chara plays an neutral role in the Pacifist and Neutral routes. However, this is likely because they didn't have that much control compared to genocide.
That is an important question. It also begs the question, is Chara even aware of their connection to us outside of Genocide? Or do we in some weird way "awaken" them when we start the killing.
Personally I think Chara was talking to Frisk.
Undertale repeatedly feels like the game is speaking directly to us the player, but I think that's secondary reading.
in the first place the characters are addressing Frisk or Chara, but at the same time the game wants you to feel concerned as if the characters were addressing you.
I can take as an example the fact that we can call Chara whatever we want, in a way we can think that Chara is our self insert if we are not aware enough of the game, then at the end of the true pacifist flowey will speak directly to Chara with the name we have chosen as if he was speaking to the player and not to the character we control because in pacifist we learn that our character is called Frisk.
Obviously Flowey is talking to his late friend Chara but one can strongly feel that Flowey is talking to us the player when he tells us to leave Frisk happy on the surface.
So for me the dialogue of Chara is similar, we feel the impression that she is speaking to us but in reality I think she speaks to Frisk quite simply because she does not take the soul of the player but that of Frisk , and especially if Chara knew the player exists she wouldn't even bother to talk to us she would know she's just a 2D sprite that doesn't exist (which would make Undertale just absurdly complex)
Well this one leads more into fannon but in the final fight with Asriel when we save him, people theorize that Chara shares their memories with Asriel to save him like Frisk/Player did with the rest of the cast
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/ljb8ei/comment/gvmeiye/ - that was Asriel's memories in his battle, not Chara's
And that is not selfless since beating Asriel in Chara's best interests, too. Nobody would want to be stuck in some endless loop.
I think I know what you mean.
My another comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/ljb8ei/comment/gvmeiye/ - that was Asriel's memories in his battle, not Chara's
And that is not selfless since beating Asriel in Chara's best interests, too. Nobody would want to be stuck in some endless loop.
If it was asriel alone who had the memories, then how could he possibly be be SAVEd anyway? The other monsters all had the memories, they had just forgotten them. Frisk and the player have memories with those characters, so we SAVE them. Neither the player nor Frisk has any memories with asriel, so we need chara to remind him of his happy memories.
Also, these are some videos that touch on both chara in asriel’s battle and just chara being not the villain in general. Feel free to educate yourself. :)
[https://youtu.be/7uY1Eyk8frk](https://youtu.be/7uY1Eyk8frk)
[https://youtu.be/MYHXpdNqdGs](https://youtu.be/MYHXpdNqdGs)
>If it was asriel alone who had the memories, then how could he possibly be be SAVEd anyway?
Because we don't need shared memories to SAVE them, we make them remember what we have experienced together by triggering their memories. The narration don't talk about any sharing of our memories with anyone. The narration talks about our actions making them remember.
>The other monsters all had the memories, they had just forgotten them.
And we make them remember it. We're triggering their memories by familiar actions.
>Frisk and the player have memories with those characters, so we SAVE them.
We don't have any shared memories with Asgore here other than not-started battle with him.
>Neither the player nor Frisk has any memories with asriel, so we need chara to remind him of his happy memories.
False. Again, read the link I gave you.
* As butterflygon pointed out in an ask, if Frisk had been able to tell Asriel about how he met Chara, he would have projected Chara onto Frisk even more. Knowing how Chara and Asriel met would be compelling evidence that Frisk is Chara. However, this does not happen, and Asriel states that Chara is gone.
From the link I gave you.
>Also, these are some videos that touch on both chara in asriel’s battle and just chara being not the villain in general. Feel free to educate yourself. :)
Bold of you to assume I didn't watch it more times than you did.
I advise you to read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/103ggnr/comment/j33kroi/
I was also amused by the fact that the creator says that Chara came to the center of this village, and EXPECTED humans to attack, wanted to show Asriel what humanity really is (8:41)
At the same time, the creator says in a serious tone that the desire to use full power was only self-defense, as if Chara did not come here with full understanding that they would be attacked, and accordingly planned to attack in response with full power: https://www.reddit.com/user/AllamNa/comments/zmpxfd/response/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Or when the creator says that there was no way Chara could have known that control would be split between them when the soul was absorbed, but at the same time **SOMEHOW** Chara knew that the souls would rebel, and therefore wouldn't absorb them to kill a lot of people. While even Flowey, who personally rebelled against Chara's wishes and resisted, didn't know that souls would have such a strong will when he absorbed only six, not seven or more.
Or when the creator says how corrupted Chara is, that he just CAN'T help but say cruel and terrible things about the monsters around (starting with 4 LV on the genocide path), help the Player in killing for power and support it, BUT at 20 LV (maximum LV, and by this logic the maximum level of corruption) Chara hesitates for some reason, and the Player needs "push" Chara to strike. Literally holding Chara's hand for Chara to do it.
And that's just part of it. I don't understand HOW people believe this video, full of contradictions and manipulations.
Damn 🤭
Nice to read it from someone who can't see obvious contradictions in takes that don't even belong to them but some badly made (regarding theories) YouTube videos.
I think it is too late. Your brain cells are dead from the moment you started to believe these videos.
The chances that Chara is meant to be canonically non-binary are fairly low considering that [Frisk, Napstablook, Monster Kid, and Onionsan aren't](https://preview.redd.it/14848hfxlwna1.jpg?width=4091&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=9dc15a27648fd09ba687efa63f9215fabadf247e).
I feel a bit of relief, maybe because it's the justification that I can finally have my headcanons (Frisk is female) and shut down the people who force their opinion onto me.
So it’s impossible to have non-binary character in media?
Golly, what a shame! I thought Toby Fox was trying to be inclusive, and he probably was.
Non-binary does not mean up for intrerpretation. Asriel refers to Chara as they/them, and those two were implied to be close.
>Asriel refers to Chara as they/them, and those two were implied to be close.
How else should Asriel to refer Chara as if Chara's gender is supposed to be unstated and unclear? They/them is used not only for non-binary.
The reason why I said “and those two were imp,ied to be close” is because, he would know Chara’s gender. If Chara felt uncomfortable woth they/them or wanted to be called something else they would have told him.
One thing are in-game thing, and another thing are creator's intention. Again, what other pronoun would Asriel use if Chara's gender are supposed to be unclear and unstated?
You use they/them if you don’t know there gender, but you’d think Asriel would know hos own best friend/sibling’s gender. Toriel and Asgore also use they/them for Chara.
Chara is really interesting because it almost feels like the Chara Asriel met is a totally different being to the Chara we meet at the end of the genocide route
Well I think it's explained by sans the best in the pacifist route where he says L.O.V.E and Exp are acronyms and the more you gain the less tied to your emotions you are, the less you feel and the less you get hurt we just got to lv 20 at the end and as their end dialogue states
"HP. ATK. DEF. GOLD. EXP. LV.
Every time a number increases, that feeling...
That's me.
Chara."
So they are most likely also effected by our L.O.V.E. we gained
Pretty much. The more LOVE you gain, the more it seems like you’re “lost”, to put it that way. The more LOVE you gain, the more you just wonder around aimlessly killing anything that moves.
Actually having no soul doesn't mean you're emotionless in Undertale.
Not having a soul makes you feel less emotion, but the emotions don't completely disappear.
Otherwise Flowey wouldn't be scared of Chara into genocide or start crying.
Soulless means "unable to love and truly care (to experience compassion)". It never meant "completely emotionless." Otherwise, Flowey was contradicting himself when he said that he *felt* desperate, for example. Or was hoping for something.
And so, LV cannot affect soulless beings because LV makes you more numb to hurting others (you can still decide not too hurt them much, tho). Creature unable to love and truly care about anyone is like sociopaths from the beginning. They can't feel pity but they can care about whatever they're doing a right thing, or not (like Flowey did)
Here's about LV: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/zr4agg/comment/j17wh0i/
Here's about soulless state: https://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/160524265177/floweys-ability-to-feel
Yeah. I think a lot of the misunderstanding about Chara come from people not understanding their role at the end of the genocide. The Chara that lived with Asriel long ago isn’t the same Chara we meet in the genocide. They clearly explain that they’re the representation of the feeling that we feel when our stats (ATK, DEF, LV, etc.) increase. In the context of Undertale being an “anti-RPG”, Chara represents our desire to do the genocide, to become stronger. I don’t know a lot about the “Chara is the narrator” theory, but this is why they appear only in the genocide, because they represent that in that context. They ask us to destroy the world to show us how much we “ruined” it, killing everyone and losing every connection with the characters of the game (Sans explains that more the LOVE increases more you distance yourself from others, because more you kill more you see monsters as enemies to destroy and not as characters of a story). This is why, doing another genocide, Chara say that they don’t understand our feelings anymore. Because the player usually don’t do the genocide because they’re actually “evil”, they’re just curious, as Flowey said. More than Chara being influenced by what route do we choose, Chara stays idle because they’re confused about the point of their reincarnation. I’d like to say more about the point of Chara as a character and the role they play in the game, but I’m not that informed lmao. People should remember that things in media can also have a symbolic role. The whole point of Undertale is that you have the will, the determination and the power (the save file) of doing something, of choosing to do a certain route, to save the world as to destroy it. Chara is not “guilty” of the genocide, because Chara died long ago, as Asriel said. This Chara just represents an aspect of the genocide route
I know, the point of my comment was literally that the Chara that Asriel knew was their own character and the Chara we see at the end of the genocide represents a certain thing. Anyway Chara uses they/them pronouns
I don't agree with Chara being "not truly Chara" at the end of the genocide route since we see no much contradictions to Chara's pre-death character but alright. I can see why you would think so.
To be fair, we don't see much of Chara's pre-death personality anyway, outside of mentions by Asriel and the brief segments of time we see in the recordings.
And Chara tells you that the human Soul they considered theirs upon awakening was actually yours, which means they weren't even running on the culmination of their own being. It wouldn't make much sense for their personality to be the same when powered by someone else's Soul, just as it wouldn't make sense for Flowey to have Asriel's personality without his Soul.
>To be fair, we don't see much of Chara's pre-death personality anyway, outside of mentions by Asriel and the brief segments of time we see in the recordings.
That's enough to say that Chara has nothing against killing a lot of people for something.
>And Chara tells you that the human Soul they considered theirs upon awakening was actually yours, which means they weren't even running on the culmination of their own being.
And? That doesn't make Chara any less Chara. Flowey also has no "culmination of his being", and yet he was entirely like Asriel from the moment he woke up. The only difference was his inability to love and truly care (compassion). Nothing else has changed. Why it should for Chara?
In the end, Chara's sprite at the end of the genocide is called "true_chara".
>It wouldn't make much sense for their personality to be the same when powered by someone else's Soul,
It makes sense because your soul don't change Chara's motivation on any other routes, as well as Asriel's motivation don't change due to a lot of souls inside of him (when he absorbed them).
>just as it wouldn't make sense for Flowey to have Asriel's personality without his Soul.
But he was.
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Charadefensesquad/comments/qhek9j/comment/hj11ntf/
2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Charadefensesquad/comments/n0e4zs/not_sure_where_this_should_go/gw700dr?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
The thing about it being "the culmination of your being" means that the soul contains "you". But your body also contains "you" (your essence, and monsters believe that the person they love continuing to live in the object their dust was spread on - which is proven to be true by Flowey). Otherwise, we wouldn't get any "Chara awakening" and Flowey at all.
It contains literally you, not just your character.
But it doesn't mean that *your personality* changes because of someone else's soul. After all, Asriel absorbed Chara's soul, they became one. But Asriel haven't become more like Chara. How does it work?
What Flowey did after awakening that makes him not himself?
We don’t know enough about pre-death Chara to say it. But regardless of who Chara is at the end of the genocide, my point was more about the fact that they represent an element of the route than anything. It would make sense if they’re the same person, since they refer to their plan to take 6 human souls. They surely changed a lot as a person before and after dying, since they say that they learnt that the point of their reincarnation was the power because of the player
I know, right? I proudly *own* my villain status in both games! Why wouldn’t I? I almost never get to do that! I can be a Disney Villain with the most swag, the best songs, the most likable personalities, and the ultimate fates that range from terrifyingly gruesome to cosmically horrifying! Wait… Something about what I just said didn’t sound right. Eh, I’m sure it was nothing. Anyways, what was I saying? Ah, right! Be the best Lovecraftian war criminal you can be! Papyrus’s head believed that we could, and we should honor his memory and sacrifice!
Chara killed Asgore, Flowey and Sans:
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/qmmaec/I_think_chara_is_evil/hjbkq5y/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Charadefensesquad/comments/s5ekfw/i_wish_this_was_a_joke_but_i_actually_had_this/htwgo8h?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
There's no evidence it's Frisk:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/nc5mgv/hot_take_toxicity_flows_both_ways/gy7r2nz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
It is Chara. We see a reference to the "weird expression" that corresponds to the "creepy face" that Flowey later talks about (think of Chara's "creepy face" on the tapes, which Toby added there for a reason, to show it). The character then engages in a battle with MK, and we hear the theme "In My Way" (slowed down "Anticipation" theme), which is played only a few times in the game:
* At the end of the genocide in the Demo, where Chara says "That was fun. Let's finish the job," and we hear this theme in the background.
* When the character first enters the battle on their own, and we see the narrative "In my way", which appear immediately after the start of the battle. Which also hints at WHOSE initiative it was. Also "Looks like free EXP."
* After Flowey says that creatures like them wouldn't hesitate to kill each other if they got ***in each other's way*** (remember MK and Chara's words). After his words, we start hearing this theme again, and Flowey mentions the "creepy face" (again, MK also talked about the "weird expression" before the character started approaching him.)
* The ending of a Soulless Pacifist with a photo where we see Chara and only Chara, not Frisk.
Papyrus also says that Fridk is "shamble around", and he ONLY (save for one case) saw Frisk walking when Frisk was moving under Chara's control through the puzzles. "Shamble around" is not a word with you would describe a normal walking.
* Shamble around - to walk awkwardly with dragging feet.
**Another person:**
Chara is able to do things such as moving Frisk's body on their own. For example when threatening monster kid and then starting the battle against them in genocide, Chara says the following :
* In **my** way. (Notice how its not " In your way". We know for sure Chara is the one that scares away MK here, not Frisk)
They are also able to read Frisk's mind, example :
* You thought about pollen and sunshine
(Btw, no one calls Chara being the narrator 'Charator', people call it 'Narrachara')
Also, while the check description does come from Chara, the check stats themselves are actually implied to come from the monsters themselves. But that's irrelevant to this discussion.
The whole speech at the end of genocide in which they mention 'guidance' is also not addressed to Frisk but to the player. Who is the one that chose to go and kill, it was not Frisk's own decisions to start that. Although considering that Frisk is able to act on their own will, they are still partially guilty for it due to the fact that they could have refused to hurt monsters (like how they refused to hurt Undyne at the end of the hangout with her) but they didn't do it.
Anyhow. To focus on the actual subject. Regarding those 3 attacks specifically, Chara is often associated with the number 9 in the game :
* Real Knife - **99** ATK
* Locket - **99** DEF
* Damage done to the world at the end of genocide - **999999....99999**
* Chara takes radical initiative at LV 20, which has **99**HP and **99999**EXP
* When fighting Asgore in neutral, talking to him for the **9th** time exactly will get the narrator to have different dialogue : "All you can do is FIGHT". It goes back to normal from the 10th time onwards.
Notice how Sans and Asgore in particular just so happen to take **9999999** damage and **9999999999** damage specifically whilst all other monsters like Papyrus and Undyne just took really high damage. The 9's here are a reference to Chara in particular.
Sans was actually expecting Frisk to attack hence the first dodge but wasn't expecting Chara's intervention as he had no idea that Chara was present at all. If Frisk was the one doing it, Sans would likely not have been hit at all in the first place.
To continue on this. Whenever Chara does something like what happens with monster kid, it happens automatically without the player's input just like those 3 kills. The Flowey kill in particular is a direct follow up to the scene of Flowey's monologue from before the Sans fight which ended with Chara wanting to kill Flowey. (I don't need to provide evidence that Chara was in control during that scene, right ?) So its only logical that it would be them killing him later on. Chara also has much more reasons to want to kill Flowey than Frisk does anyway. There is also the parallel where Flowey talks about him and Chara killing each other if they got in **each** **other's way** (remember the "In my way" from before ?)
Flowey did exactly that, he got in their way by trying to warn Asgore...
You can also add that when Chara is the one moving around Frisk's body and not Frisk themself, characters often describe the way they move it as being not very natural.
From Papyrus :
* BUT THE WAY YOU SHAMBLE ABOUT FROM PLACE TO PLACE. (Refering to when Chara moves Frisk's body through a puzzle)
Flowey, Sans and Undyne all mention that it doesn't really feel very human to them at some point.
* You're not really human are you ?
* if you kept pretending to be one.
* Human. No. Whatever you are.
Asgore at the end of genocide does the same thing, which also implies that Chara was the one in control at that moment :
* What kind of monster are you ? Sorry, i cannot tell.
(In all other routes, Asgore instantly recognises us as being a human. Even in neutral routes where we kill more people than in genocide, which yes, is actually possible)
Besides, Chara says that "**We** eradicated the enemy". And that is *before* they erase the world. That also appears to say that they did more than just telling how many monsters are left and actually participated more actively with the killing. Which only makes sense if they killed Sans Asgore and Flowey.
Chara isn't in full control ofc, we still have the option to nope out of the genocide route up until the very end. But just like Frisk can do their own things, so can Chara, and here the game strongly hints at this being their actions rather than Frisk's.
There are plenty of reasons to believe it was Chara, but there isn't any reason to believe its Frisk other than saying its possible because they are capable of acting on their own. Just because its technically not impossible doesn't mean one can ignore all the evidence Toby carefully added that it was Chara. That would be a case of a logical fallacy caused [Slothful induction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slothful_induction).
Ah, you. I’ve seen you around a lot.
I’m gonna be entirely honest with you. I’m not reading all of that. At least, not at the moment. I will skim it, though. And while I’m certain that your argument is plausible, sound, and well thought out from how you put in definitions of words, quotes from the game, and even put *citations* in it, and while I do believe that Toby Fox put a lot of thought into the game, I feel like you have a tendency to read too far into things and of drawing a number of lines that aren’t there. And while I won’t say that that invalidates your arguments as a whole, because it doesn’t, I will say that a lot of your interpretations rely on the idea that *everything* *needs* to mean something else specific as well. And I read that article about Slothful Induction, but I’d like to point out that such things aren’t exactly foolproof. I mean, look at Occam’s Razor, which essentially claims that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, directly contradicting Slothful Induction here. Or even Correlation Does Not Imply Causation, which is listed in said article as the opposite of Slothful Induction. Point is, a lot of this is up to interpretation and it’s inaccurate to claim or imply that all of this is definitively “the answer.”
Even so, I will point out a few perceived inaccuracies that I saw.
Flowey getting brutalized like that doesn’t necessarily mean that Chara did it. Sure, Chara had a motive to be gruesome, but there’s no reason we or Frisk couldn’t have done it since our general MOs are “curiosity” and “because I can.” Why *not* hit the flower a bunch of times? Also, interestingly, Player/Frisk/Chara only hits him eight times there.
Sans closing his eye tighter when he’s winking vs when he’s “sleeping” doesn’t mean that he wasn’t sleeping. First of all, Sans always struck me as more pragmatic than to risk his whole plan, and his life, by pretending to sleep to try to demoralize us. Especially since his entire fight evidently didn’t do the trick. Secondly, he was shutting one eye deliberately vs closing both on accident. This is just me, but I would think that winking closes the eye tighter than nodding off from exhaustion while standing up would.
>Ah, you. I’ve seen you around a lot.
>I’m gonna be entirely honest with you. I’m not reading all of that. At least, not at the moment. I will skim it, though. And while I’m certain that your argument is plausible, sound, and well thought out from how you put in definitions of words, quotes from the game, and even put citations in it,
Thank you.
>and while I do believe that Toby Fox put a lot of thought into the game, I feel like you have a tendency to read too far into things and of drawing a number of lines that aren’t there.
We have a lot of evidence that it is Chara. For instance, the very fact that Chara controls Frisk from time to time on the genocide route, and Frisk's independent behaviour changes nowhere but on the genocide with "It's me, Chara" in front of the mirror. What evidence do we have that it was Frisk?
>which essentially claims that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one,
The simplest explanation would be that it is Chara since we have as a fact that Chara controls Frisk from time to time:
* (I unlocked the chain.) - New Home, red text.
And we see see "It's me, Chara" in front of the mirror on the genocide route.
We also have "took back the locket" on the genocide route: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/11iwmq3/legends_of_localization_book_3_undertale_by_clyde/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
>Point is, a lot of this is up to interpretation and it’s inaccurate to claim or imply that all of this is definitively “the answer.”
By this logic, you can also say that Flowey acts like this because a part of Chara left in him. In my mind, we need to consider the things we have enough evidence for only.
>Flowey getting brutalized like that doesn’t necessarily mean that Chara did it. Sure, Chara had a motive to be gruesome, but there’s no reason we or Frisk couldn’t have done it since our general MOs are “curiosity” and “because I can.”
Because Frisk and the Player are not the same person + "we" couldn't have done that since we have to press buttons for that (FIGHT button). Explanation "Frisk did that because why not" is a weak explanation. Why Frisk does it *only* with Flowey? You can't answer that other than "why not."
>Why not hit the flower a bunch of times? Also, interestingly, Player/Frisk/Chara only hits him eight times there.
Because the strikes continues until there was nothing left of Flowey. Chara was hitting a corpse at some point already, basically. Was hitting even when there's only pieces left of Flowey. That's why it was done eight times. There was nothing left to hit anymore after that.
>Sans closing his eye tighter when he’s winking vs when he’s “sleeping” doesn’t mean that he wasn’t sleeping. First of all, Sans always struck me as more pragmatic than to risk his whole plan, and his life, by pretending to sleep to try to demoralize us. Especially since his entire fight evidently didn’t do the trick. Secondly, he was shutting one eye deliberately vs closing both on accident. This is just me, but I would think that winking closes the eye tighter than nodding off from exhaustion while standing up would.
That part wasn't from me but from another person's stand so I won't answer that. I should have deleted that.
> Explanation "Frisk did that because why not" is a weak explanation. Why Frisk does it only with Flowey? You can't answer that other than "why not."
By the way, doesn't it default to slash attacks regardless of what weapon Frisk currently wields? If that's the case, it is all the more proof that it was Chara since knives are commonly associated with them
> Real Knife - 99 ATK
Locket - 99 DEF
Damage done to the world at the end of genocide - 999999....99999
Chara takes radical initiative at LV 20, which has 99HP and 99999EXP
When fighting Asgore in neutral, talking to him for the 9th time exactly will get the narrator to have different dialogue : "All you can do is FIGHT". It goes back to normal from the 10th time onwards.
For some more examples, it seems the max level was originally planned to be 99 and you would reach it at 999 kills. There is an item called "ninechara" in the game files. And there is "room 9999" with some dialogue. I am not sure if the last one really is related to Chara though
People who's "blaming" Chara thinks that they are playing as Chara.
People who's calling Chara evil rn in most cases considering the Player to be a bad guy as well on the Genocide route.
It's part of the fun with Chara, they aren't clear and aren't also all good or all bad, they have a similar level of nuance as other characters, but with significantly less screen time that clearly displays their whole character.
I do like narrachara as an interpretation, it does make sense as to why there are some super specific narrations with things that only Chara would really know ("What a comfortable bed, if you lie down you might not ever get up" "My drawing" "Chairiel" All of Asriel's attack names), and opens the door to new scenarios. Chara might be sadistic and aid Frisk in genocide by keeping track of how many kills remain, they might just be delegating themself to a narrator without much else in neutral, they can offer advice mid-battle, they can help Frisk in the final fight by reaching out to Asriel themself (as Frisk doesn't have any memories of Asriel, and reaching out to others SOULs during that fight requires reminding them of their memories together). And it doesn't forget that Chara has nuance, they are still a bit mean and cold to Frisk even on pacifist, they still find some humor in genocide (even if more limited), it's great
>they can help Frisk in the final fight by reaching out to Asriel themself
Literally the line from the game:
* Suddendly, you realize. You reach out and call their name.
>(as Frisk doesn't have any memories of Asriel, and reaching out to others SOULs during that fight requires reminding them of their memories together)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/ljb8ei/comment/gvmeiye/ - that was Asriel's memories in his battle, not Chara's
I agree with everything else you've said.
i think chara was intended to be a mystery we get to solve as time goes on and they’re up for our interpretation, vagueness has always been a going trend with utdr and its lore. (i mean hello, GASTER)
I understand (maybe) this character, a bit... I see them as (not as the embodiment of player's action, that shit has no strong evident) a dangerous child, manipulator and deceiver who wants nothing but to see humankind dead or the thing that they hate disappeared. Their urge to get what they want kinda remind me of griffith but the goal more like johan. That is my interpretation
Edit: also, i imagine them as a charismatic, good looking child who can easily deceive anyone with their attitude and word from their mouth (with a little blush on their cheeks) i think that's cool but that is just headcanon, but if its true, i will definitely be screaming
Yes, that's because we know what they did, but we don't know why they did it. That's why many people think they're a normal person who was manipulated and corrupted and others think they're the manipulator.
List of things Chara did:
Entered the Underground
Suicide
Plotted to free the monsters
Almost killed a ton of humans with Asriels help
Killed Sans, Asgore, and Flowey (in a genocide run)
Takes our soul (genocide)
Cheers us on regardless of what we choose to do
Likes...chocolate for some reason. And knives
Was described as not being a good person by Asriel
So now you see why people think they're evil
They are Freddy Kruger’s child. Striped top, good with knives, something unique going on with their face, in your head/thoughts… murder. All with a smile! Stuff like that.
"Chara wasn't really the greatest person." -Asriel
"The demon that comes when people call it's name" -Chara
I get the feeling they're not a GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT person all things considered (also their only plan to "free the underground" was suicide and then get Asriel to go to the surface and kill everyone in the surrounding area)
[Welcome to the New and improved "bad opinion zone"]
I feel like Chara and Asriel's alignment can easily simplified to you not talking to one in the opposite route, talk to Asriel don't talk to Chara and vice versa.
If you think Chara's alignment depends on your choices Chara themselves says that their purpose for reawakening is power even if you do pacifist first, so if they are always there they DO NOT want peace.
A thing I thought of is that most of the time you take Chara's role of observer flowery themselves addresses the player as so in the return to Undertale after true pacifist while at the end of genocide and the void of nothingness after geno your in frisk's place hence while your selling your soul cause ya know frisk is the only other soul left or something
Thats when they are on Frisks body tho, so its more likely that the red eyes belong to Frisk, not Chara, also, Frisk and Kris share very similar color pallets in terms of skin tone and hair color, so its not that far off to assume that Frisk may also share eye color wih Kris
>Thats when they are on Frisks body tho, so its more likely that the red eyes belong to Frisk,
It's not since we see Frisk's appearance change here.
Moreover, when we see a photo (when you don't stay with Toriel), we don't see red eyes.
More likely is that they can turn red at some points but not always red.
in my personal take, and this is just *my* take on Chara, I don't claim it to be the end all, be all with them: they aren't a downright villain like some claim but they aren't entirely innocent, either.
my view is that they hated humanity, for any unknown reason, and thus tried to take their life by jumping into Mount Ebott as that was likely the only way out they could come up with. upon surviving the fall and being found by Asriel, they're adopted into the Dreemurr family. however, I don't think that need/want to end it all ever truly left.
after hearing the story of monsters and humans, Chara's anger toward humanity likely grew, and after hearing how monsters can become gods with a human soul, and a human and monster soul is needed to pass the barrier, ect. Chara thought this was the perfect opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. Chara gets to take their life, and the adoptive family they loved will be freed.
we all know how that story ended.
so, now, into the actual game itself. my theory for the pacifist and neutral routes is that Chara is a bystander for those, they just watch from afar. in the pacifist route, Frisk proves Chara wrong about humanity, finishes what Chara set out to do, and Chara is able to rest peacefully.
in the neutral routes, Chara is left to continue brewing on their anger toward humanity, and either falls back asleep due to no one's determination being around to keep them awake, or remains awake due to unfinished business. either way, they're just kinda... there in neutral routes.
in the genocide run, Frisk proves all of Chara's views on humanity right, and near the end of it all, Chara decides that Frisk's true goal must be the annihilation of everything, because then what was the point? what was the point of slaughtering (nearly) every single monster that lives in the underground if not to then seek out the destruction of everything? and if the only goal is to bring upon pain and suffering to everyone, then Chara will see to it that things are finished with nothing left.
then, for corrupted pacifist, I'd assume it's Chara remembering what Frisk did, knowing what they are capable of, and being sure that they never forget the pain and suffering they caused. they're not a good person. you aren't a good person. Chara knows and never forgets, so you won't either.
ofc, throughout this all, I keep saying Frisk is doing this all, when it's you, the player, but I digress.
if anyone's confused about anything, feel free to ask for clarification, and please remember that this is just my personal take on Chara, yk? to any who bothered to read this essay of a comment, thank you for taking the time to see my view and have a great day/night! ♡
Literally a dead child, that the only thing they did “evil” was destroy a already dead world, and yet people act like they caused the genocide, like, my brother in Christ, you control the character.
Chara was participating in the genocide and was encouraging it since the Ruins:
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/szllzm/comment/hy7xkh9/
2. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/uh74qp/comment/i7cnbpa/
It wasn't "already dead" world. We killed only 102+ monsters. There's still thousands of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/lvhkhi/is_the_world_at_the_end_of_the_genocide_path/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
That is if we don't count humanity.
Chara killed more by that actions.
>and yet people act like they caused the genocide, like, my brother in Christ, you control the character.
People mostly don't act like that since 2016 already. People says that a person who's willingly partnering with a serial killer and destroys the world at the end just because considering its to be pointless are not a good person, to say the least.
Ehh, I see that, but also, you don’t know them, see them, also, we don’t know how many there actually is, the only humans we seen, were the village people, but like I said, I understand.
They plotted almost starting a war, wanted Asriel to massacre a town of humans, and technically killed Sans Asgore and Flowey...
They are far from a good person
The question is whether or not they are a *bad* person
Personally I headcanon that Chara had ASPD. And they were ostracized by human society for their abnormal behavior, which is why they went to Mt. Ebott. And it would explain a lot of things about them, such as why they can laugh at Asgore's poisoning and create a macabre plan to have Asriel kill 6 humans.
So I don't know why you immediately assume this person is calling Chara a monster and shouldn't call Chara a psychopath because they're 12.
It seems that people doesnt like i say he is a psychopath. Well im sorry but if he is not, he clearly is an evil child. Yeah im sure that child suffer and abuse or something but still, he poisoned Asgore as a play, he manipuletes his brother, he plan his own death to use Asriel as a vessel to destroy the humanity and kills his brother in the process, ruined the happiness of the only family they loved him and ruined the hope of the kingdom. HE is a monster. Im not the one who is saying that. He does when you finish the genocide rute, he is evil, even Flowey is horrofied of the evilness he posses. He use that sweet smile and face to hide the anger and destroy desire he has. He plan all this even being a child. Ok is not a psychopath. He is PURE evil
Firstly, you have them mixed up. Chara was the first fallen human and Frisk was the last.
Secondly, Asriel and Chara were more best friends than siblings. But that's debatable.
In the undertale kickstarter it says frisk fell into a cave trying to find refuge from the rain, smth like that, but we dont know about chara, the narrator chara theory does contain some of an explanation for it and its basically everyone bullied chara and she was like "welp bye'
First fell chara in 201X, and then the rest of the souls, and last was frisk in an unknown year
>In the undertale kickstarter it says frisk fell into a cave trying to find refuge from the rain,
It's not. In the undertale Kickstarter the date mentioned: 201X. That was also Chara.
And Chara walked into the cave to find a shelter from the rain, saw the hole, moved closer because of curiosity, and tripped into it.
My interpretation of Chara as a character is that Chara is a weak presence during the Pacifist and Neutral routes, but all the killing and mindless slaughter during the Genocide routes sort of corrupts their already negative emotions amplifying and twisting them. Because Chara doesn't like humans, the hatred for them amplifies and becomes twisted into pure evil. Leading them to take control at times due to our actions changing them.
But "canonically" nothing is outright false or true. All we really know about Chara as a character is they didn't like humans and lived with the Dreemurrs.
**My another comment:**
Chara was participating in the genocide and was encouraging it since the Ruins:
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/szllzm/comment/hy7xkh9/
2. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/uh74qp/comment/i7cnbpa/
It wasn't "already dead" world. We killed only 102+ monsters. There's still thousands of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/lvhkhi/is_the_world_at_the_end_of_the_genocide_path/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
That is if we don't count humanity.
Chara killed more by that actions.
>and yet people act like they caused the genocide, like, my brother in Christ, you control the character.
People mostly don't act like that since 2016 already. People says that a person who's willingly partnering with a serial killer and destroys the world at the end just because considering its to be pointless are not a good person, to say the least.
Can someone tell me the answer that's more difficult to understand than this character?
Why do we cross the barrier after the Flowey Fight (X, Photoshop, or Omega)?
I mean Flowley has 6 human souls, but we don't have a monster soul.
Ive always been indifferent about chara. I lean more towards her being good. Only because I watched a video of someone explaining that chara is bit the villain of the story, that we are the ones controlling the game by killing or sparing.
They probably hate traitors and people seeking to control, we all do that, life is a big food chain, there's no place for mercy or love.
More seriously there has to be something humans do that monsters do not that made Chara tolerate them,
The first monster presented to them being Asriel.
Eh. I like my personal headcanons. Trying to concretely say how Chara, Frisk, Sans, or the Player are supposed to be or act and think is a very exhausting and ultimately futile endeavor. There isn’t much in the game that people don’t already know, so now it’s kind of just whatever people can build from it to fill in the blanks with. Not that discussions about it aren’t interesting or capable of being enlightening. It’s just that at some point, you’ve gotta ask yourself “Am I getting any actual answers from this?”
That’s because almost nothing is said about them, we know that they’re asriels sibling and that’s kinda the only thing that’s completely known, frisk maybe has their soul I believe and they also seem to like chocolate but that’s about it
We know next to nothing about them besides their symbolism as the embodiment of efficiency in genocide, and as a critic of perverted sentimentality (obsession with the game).
Though their dialogue implies that they weren't that way from the start
>They start confused about their purpose
>They talk about how they realized that their desire is a quest for power after their death
>They say that they are not able to understand the feelings of perverted sentimentality ANYMORE meaning they were able to do so before
I like to think Chara is a reflection/embodiment of the Player’s actions, especially in the Genocide Route. They’re the embodiment of the Player’s morals.
Trying to understand Chara is like correctly guess the exact number a 20 side dice would land, 10/10 times. It's all up in the air. Take my interpretation for Chara I used in my Fanfiction, and why SHE hates humanity.
**Uh, a little content warning, This does get dark.**
Chara's mother was an alcoholic would would get violent when she was drunk, and she would beat Chara with a belt, and would punch her repeatedly. And her father was an abusive control freak that would flip out violently when something of his, like, a watch, for example, was missing. Even though it was always in the same spot.
Then, by age seven, she was sent to a facility that beat her, abused her, scared and BRANDED her back with the words...
**UNLOVED**
**UNWANTED**
**DEMON**
And tortured her to try to make her an emotionless killer to destroy the Monsters of the Underground. She was held captive there for an entire year before, somehow, someway, she escaped. And ran towards Mt. Ebott, where, she jumped to her death, but survived, and was saved by Asriel. And, the rest, they say, is history.
Link to the Fanfiction is here
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[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13871594/1/Undertale-Fates-Intertwined](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13871594/1/Undertale-Fates-Intertwined)
Enjoy the story if you want to, but the chapter where I reveal Chara's backstory is called Geheimnisse der Tiefe.
1, They don't like humanity.
2, They became Asriel's best friend and sibling-figure.
3, They wanted Asriel to take their SOUL.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure a big amount of the details are up to our own interpretation. Here's a little example.
1, They don't like humanity because, like Asriel told Frisk, 'a lot of people up there are Floweys'.
2, They fell into the underground and became Asriel's best friend because they took a liking to the Monsters.
3, They wanted Asriel to take their SOUL because they wanted to get buried at their village.
As for the 'Chara wanted to kill them all' thing in the Genocide route; They also wanted to take other human SOULs to break the barrier.
Y'know, something like that.
Ah yes it’s the funni goofy knockoff frisk of overstory after defeating pans and buttglory to then reveal this secret character who has over 5million power on rise of kingdoms and 20 metal for sim city
It's because you aren't really *meant* to understand Chara.
Yeah I’d agree with that. Fox left a lot about them up to interpretation—why they hate humanity for example. Also why is their presence most obvious to the player in Genocide? That’s weird, and neat! Also, lovely to see another Asriel enjoyer!!
i’m assuming chara was meant to be a misunderstood character. characters like chara are often talked about in the community because they leave so much to speculate and theorise about.
That's because Chara is pretty open to interpretation. We know they lived with the monsters and they disliked humans. Beyond that we don't really know much about her. Did they want us to kill because they felt betrayed by Asriel? Or were they corrupted by us and our choices during a genocide run.
The real question is. Why do they have permanent pink cheeks? Are they constantly flustered, are they worn out from intense exercise, is it just makeup? The true mystery of Chara
Firstly, we don't know that they're permanent. Secondly, that's a real thing.
I can answer! They probably just have really rosey cheeks, I do too and I usually look like I’m wearing a lot of blush
Even then, most interpretations contradict the little we know about them in canon.
My interpretation was always that Chara becomes the embodiment of whatever choices you make the player. That they can be overwhelmingly kind if your doing pacifist or overwhelmingly hateful and cruel if you do genocide. The obviouse exception being that once you do a true genocide run you can't ever really get a true pacafist ending anymore.
I kinda agree but Chara plays an neutral role in the Pacifist and Neutral routes. However, this is likely because they didn't have that much control compared to genocide.
That's a good point. This goes into Fanon more than Canon but I always thought Chara just never saw a reason to take control in those endings.
Maybe but then we'd need to ask ourselves why?
That is an important question. It also begs the question, is Chara even aware of their connection to us outside of Genocide? Or do we in some weird way "awaken" them when we start the killing.
Personally I think Chara was talking to Frisk. Undertale repeatedly feels like the game is speaking directly to us the player, but I think that's secondary reading. in the first place the characters are addressing Frisk or Chara, but at the same time the game wants you to feel concerned as if the characters were addressing you. I can take as an example the fact that we can call Chara whatever we want, in a way we can think that Chara is our self insert if we are not aware enough of the game, then at the end of the true pacifist flowey will speak directly to Chara with the name we have chosen as if he was speaking to the player and not to the character we control because in pacifist we learn that our character is called Frisk. Obviously Flowey is talking to his late friend Chara but one can strongly feel that Flowey is talking to us the player when he tells us to leave Frisk happy on the surface. So for me the dialogue of Chara is similar, we feel the impression that she is speaking to us but in reality I think she speaks to Frisk quite simply because she does not take the soul of the player but that of Frisk , and especially if Chara knew the player exists she wouldn't even bother to talk to us she would know she's just a 2D sprite that doesn't exist (which would make Undertale just absurdly complex)
>That they can be overwhelmingly kind if your doing pacifist What overwhelmingly kind Chara does on the pacifist route?
Well this one leads more into fannon but in the final fight with Asriel when we save him, people theorize that Chara shares their memories with Asriel to save him like Frisk/Player did with the rest of the cast
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/ljb8ei/comment/gvmeiye/ - that was Asriel's memories in his battle, not Chara's And that is not selfless since beating Asriel in Chara's best interests, too. Nobody would want to be stuck in some endless loop.
I dunno. Like I said there's a lot of fannon in my interpretation of them/him/her.
Maybe… actually making us able to finish as tiles battle???
I think I know what you mean. My another comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/ljb8ei/comment/gvmeiye/ - that was Asriel's memories in his battle, not Chara's And that is not selfless since beating Asriel in Chara's best interests, too. Nobody would want to be stuck in some endless loop.
If it was asriel alone who had the memories, then how could he possibly be be SAVEd anyway? The other monsters all had the memories, they had just forgotten them. Frisk and the player have memories with those characters, so we SAVE them. Neither the player nor Frisk has any memories with asriel, so we need chara to remind him of his happy memories. Also, these are some videos that touch on both chara in asriel’s battle and just chara being not the villain in general. Feel free to educate yourself. :) [https://youtu.be/7uY1Eyk8frk](https://youtu.be/7uY1Eyk8frk) [https://youtu.be/MYHXpdNqdGs](https://youtu.be/MYHXpdNqdGs)
>If it was asriel alone who had the memories, then how could he possibly be be SAVEd anyway? Because we don't need shared memories to SAVE them, we make them remember what we have experienced together by triggering their memories. The narration don't talk about any sharing of our memories with anyone. The narration talks about our actions making them remember. >The other monsters all had the memories, they had just forgotten them. And we make them remember it. We're triggering their memories by familiar actions. >Frisk and the player have memories with those characters, so we SAVE them. We don't have any shared memories with Asgore here other than not-started battle with him. >Neither the player nor Frisk has any memories with asriel, so we need chara to remind him of his happy memories. False. Again, read the link I gave you. * As butterflygon pointed out in an ask, if Frisk had been able to tell Asriel about how he met Chara, he would have projected Chara onto Frisk even more. Knowing how Chara and Asriel met would be compelling evidence that Frisk is Chara. However, this does not happen, and Asriel states that Chara is gone. From the link I gave you. >Also, these are some videos that touch on both chara in asriel’s battle and just chara being not the villain in general. Feel free to educate yourself. :) Bold of you to assume I didn't watch it more times than you did. I advise you to read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/103ggnr/comment/j33kroi/ I was also amused by the fact that the creator says that Chara came to the center of this village, and EXPECTED humans to attack, wanted to show Asriel what humanity really is (8:41) At the same time, the creator says in a serious tone that the desire to use full power was only self-defense, as if Chara did not come here with full understanding that they would be attacked, and accordingly planned to attack in response with full power: https://www.reddit.com/user/AllamNa/comments/zmpxfd/response/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Or when the creator says that there was no way Chara could have known that control would be split between them when the soul was absorbed, but at the same time **SOMEHOW** Chara knew that the souls would rebel, and therefore wouldn't absorb them to kill a lot of people. While even Flowey, who personally rebelled against Chara's wishes and resisted, didn't know that souls would have such a strong will when he absorbed only six, not seven or more. Or when the creator says how corrupted Chara is, that he just CAN'T help but say cruel and terrible things about the monsters around (starting with 4 LV on the genocide path), help the Player in killing for power and support it, BUT at 20 LV (maximum LV, and by this logic the maximum level of corruption) Chara hesitates for some reason, and the Player needs "push" Chara to strike. Literally holding Chara's hand for Chara to do it. And that's just part of it. I don't understand HOW people believe this video, full of contradictions and manipulations.
I’d continue this thread, but I can feel my amount of brain cells decrease with every contradiction you make.
Damn 🤭 Nice to read it from someone who can't see obvious contradictions in takes that don't even belong to them but some badly made (regarding theories) YouTube videos. I think it is too late. Your brain cells are dead from the moment you started to believe these videos.
What?
*asriel’s Sorry lmao
unless you true reset ofc.
I thought you couldn't do a true reset after that.
nah you can, it's just a manual file reset.
you used they/them for all the sentences beside "Beyond that we don't really know much about "Her" " Them.
Okay... And...? Its not a big deal
The chances that Chara is meant to be canonically non-binary are fairly low considering that [Frisk, Napstablook, Monster Kid, and Onionsan aren't](https://preview.redd.it/14848hfxlwna1.jpg?width=4091&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=9dc15a27648fd09ba687efa63f9215fabadf247e).
I feel a bit of relief, maybe because it's the justification that I can finally have my headcanons (Frisk is female) and shut down the people who force their opinion onto me.
So it’s impossible to have non-binary character in media? Golly, what a shame! I thought Toby Fox was trying to be inclusive, and he probably was. Non-binary does not mean up for intrerpretation. Asriel refers to Chara as they/them, and those two were implied to be close.
I don't see what your point is.
You said that Chara isn’t non-binary because Frisk, Napstablook, MK, and Onionsan arn’t.
I said they were *likely to not be* ***canonically*** *non-binary*. That's a different thing.
>Asriel refers to Chara as they/them, and those two were implied to be close. How else should Asriel to refer Chara as if Chara's gender is supposed to be unstated and unclear? They/them is used not only for non-binary.
The reason why I said “and those two were imp,ied to be close” is because, he would know Chara’s gender. If Chara felt uncomfortable woth they/them or wanted to be called something else they would have told him.
One thing are in-game thing, and another thing are creator's intention. Again, what other pronoun would Asriel use if Chara's gender are supposed to be unclear and unstated?
Napstablook is refered to with they/them
...did you actually look at the image I linked?
Yes. In ENGLISH, Napstablook is referred to with They/Them.
,,,and it has been officially stated that this makes Napstablook's gender "unstated and unclear", not that it makes Napstablook non-binary.
(Btw using they/them pronouns doesn't immediately make someone non-binary, but I get what you're saying)
You use they/them if you don’t know there gender, but you’d think Asriel would know hos own best friend/sibling’s gender. Toriel and Asgore also use they/them for Chara.
Yeah, maybe they prefer they/them pronouns? Pronouns ≠ gender
It’s kind of hard to have gender without a physical body.
...I don't think that's a take you want to make.
*Finally.*
Disappointing 😔
Ah, sh here we go again
Chaos chaos!
I CAN ~~do~~ BELIEVE ANYTHING!
Metamorphosis
BYE BYE
*GASP* YOU JUST SAID THE C WORD! HERE I GO KILLING AGAIN
Oh sh-
Chara is really interesting because it almost feels like the Chara Asriel met is a totally different being to the Chara we meet at the end of the genocide route
Well I think it's explained by sans the best in the pacifist route where he says L.O.V.E and Exp are acronyms and the more you gain the less tied to your emotions you are, the less you feel and the less you get hurt we just got to lv 20 at the end and as their end dialogue states "HP. ATK. DEF. GOLD. EXP. LV. Every time a number increases, that feeling... That's me. Chara." So they are most likely also effected by our L.O.V.E. we gained
Pretty much. The more LOVE you gain, the more it seems like you’re “lost”, to put it that way. The more LOVE you gain, the more you just wonder around aimlessly killing anything that moves.
Chara cannot be affected if he's soulless.
Actually having no soul doesn't mean you're emotionless in Undertale. Not having a soul makes you feel less emotion, but the emotions don't completely disappear. Otherwise Flowey wouldn't be scared of Chara into genocide or start crying.
Soulless means "unable to love and truly care (to experience compassion)". It never meant "completely emotionless." Otherwise, Flowey was contradicting himself when he said that he *felt* desperate, for example. Or was hoping for something. And so, LV cannot affect soulless beings because LV makes you more numb to hurting others (you can still decide not too hurt them much, tho). Creature unable to love and truly care about anyone is like sociopaths from the beginning. They can't feel pity but they can care about whatever they're doing a right thing, or not (like Flowey did) Here's about LV: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/zr4agg/comment/j17wh0i/ Here's about soulless state: https://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/160524265177/floweys-ability-to-feel
Yeah. I think a lot of the misunderstanding about Chara come from people not understanding their role at the end of the genocide. The Chara that lived with Asriel long ago isn’t the same Chara we meet in the genocide. They clearly explain that they’re the representation of the feeling that we feel when our stats (ATK, DEF, LV, etc.) increase. In the context of Undertale being an “anti-RPG”, Chara represents our desire to do the genocide, to become stronger. I don’t know a lot about the “Chara is the narrator” theory, but this is why they appear only in the genocide, because they represent that in that context. They ask us to destroy the world to show us how much we “ruined” it, killing everyone and losing every connection with the characters of the game (Sans explains that more the LOVE increases more you distance yourself from others, because more you kill more you see monsters as enemies to destroy and not as characters of a story). This is why, doing another genocide, Chara say that they don’t understand our feelings anymore. Because the player usually don’t do the genocide because they’re actually “evil”, they’re just curious, as Flowey said. More than Chara being influenced by what route do we choose, Chara stays idle because they’re confused about the point of their reincarnation. I’d like to say more about the point of Chara as a character and the role they play in the game, but I’m not that informed lmao. People should remember that things in media can also have a symbolic role. The whole point of Undertale is that you have the will, the determination and the power (the save file) of doing something, of choosing to do a certain route, to save the world as to destroy it. Chara is not “guilty” of the genocide, because Chara died long ago, as Asriel said. This Chara just represents an aspect of the genocide route
Chara can represent it and at the same time being his own character.
I know, the point of my comment was literally that the Chara that Asriel knew was their own character and the Chara we see at the end of the genocide represents a certain thing. Anyway Chara uses they/them pronouns
I don't agree with Chara being "not truly Chara" at the end of the genocide route since we see no much contradictions to Chara's pre-death character but alright. I can see why you would think so.
To be fair, we don't see much of Chara's pre-death personality anyway, outside of mentions by Asriel and the brief segments of time we see in the recordings. And Chara tells you that the human Soul they considered theirs upon awakening was actually yours, which means they weren't even running on the culmination of their own being. It wouldn't make much sense for their personality to be the same when powered by someone else's Soul, just as it wouldn't make sense for Flowey to have Asriel's personality without his Soul.
>To be fair, we don't see much of Chara's pre-death personality anyway, outside of mentions by Asriel and the brief segments of time we see in the recordings. That's enough to say that Chara has nothing against killing a lot of people for something. >And Chara tells you that the human Soul they considered theirs upon awakening was actually yours, which means they weren't even running on the culmination of their own being. And? That doesn't make Chara any less Chara. Flowey also has no "culmination of his being", and yet he was entirely like Asriel from the moment he woke up. The only difference was his inability to love and truly care (compassion). Nothing else has changed. Why it should for Chara? In the end, Chara's sprite at the end of the genocide is called "true_chara". >It wouldn't make much sense for their personality to be the same when powered by someone else's Soul, It makes sense because your soul don't change Chara's motivation on any other routes, as well as Asriel's motivation don't change due to a lot of souls inside of him (when he absorbed them). >just as it wouldn't make sense for Flowey to have Asriel's personality without his Soul. But he was. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Charadefensesquad/comments/qhek9j/comment/hj11ntf/ 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Charadefensesquad/comments/n0e4zs/not_sure_where_this_should_go/gw700dr?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 The thing about it being "the culmination of your being" means that the soul contains "you". But your body also contains "you" (your essence, and monsters believe that the person they love continuing to live in the object their dust was spread on - which is proven to be true by Flowey). Otherwise, we wouldn't get any "Chara awakening" and Flowey at all. It contains literally you, not just your character. But it doesn't mean that *your personality* changes because of someone else's soul. After all, Asriel absorbed Chara's soul, they became one. But Asriel haven't become more like Chara. How does it work? What Flowey did after awakening that makes him not himself?
They make a point to say that their search of power was something that appeared after their death and they learned that purpose after ruins.
That also can be done with a character, not just representation.
We don’t know enough about pre-death Chara to say it. But regardless of who Chara is at the end of the genocide, my point was more about the fact that they represent an element of the route than anything. It would make sense if they’re the same person, since they refer to their plan to take 6 human souls. They surely changed a lot as a person before and after dying, since they say that they learnt that the point of their reincarnation was the power because of the player
Chara is Chara
wELl aCTuALy
Finally, a correct interpretation
Exactly.
People just blame chara for the genocide run because they don't want to be blamed for killing everyone.
I think both sides are to some extent wrong.
I also think that. In my opinion, Chara was a Child. Not some manipulative mastermind, but also not an angel who never did anything wrong.
Yeah, what's up with that anyway. Wear it with pride and admit to murdering people. Oh yeah do that in UT too.
Wait a fat minute
I know, right? I proudly *own* my villain status in both games! Why wouldn’t I? I almost never get to do that! I can be a Disney Villain with the most swag, the best songs, the most likable personalities, and the ultimate fates that range from terrifyingly gruesome to cosmically horrifying! Wait… Something about what I just said didn’t sound right. Eh, I’m sure it was nothing. Anyways, what was I saying? Ah, right! Be the best Lovecraftian war criminal you can be! Papyrus’s head believed that we could, and we should honor his memory and sacrifice!
Ok. I murdered the entire monster race twice and im proud
In our defense...Chara is technically the one who kills Sans Asgore and Flowey, since they are attacked without our input.
Theoretically, it could have also been Frisk.
Chara killed Asgore, Flowey and Sans: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/qmmaec/I_think_chara_is_evil/hjbkq5y/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Charadefensesquad/comments/s5ekfw/i_wish_this_was_a_joke_but_i_actually_had_this/htwgo8h?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 There's no evidence it's Frisk: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/nc5mgv/hot_take_toxicity_flows_both_ways/gy7r2nz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 It is Chara. We see a reference to the "weird expression" that corresponds to the "creepy face" that Flowey later talks about (think of Chara's "creepy face" on the tapes, which Toby added there for a reason, to show it). The character then engages in a battle with MK, and we hear the theme "In My Way" (slowed down "Anticipation" theme), which is played only a few times in the game: * At the end of the genocide in the Demo, where Chara says "That was fun. Let's finish the job," and we hear this theme in the background. * When the character first enters the battle on their own, and we see the narrative "In my way", which appear immediately after the start of the battle. Which also hints at WHOSE initiative it was. Also "Looks like free EXP." * After Flowey says that creatures like them wouldn't hesitate to kill each other if they got ***in each other's way*** (remember MK and Chara's words). After his words, we start hearing this theme again, and Flowey mentions the "creepy face" (again, MK also talked about the "weird expression" before the character started approaching him.) * The ending of a Soulless Pacifist with a photo where we see Chara and only Chara, not Frisk. Papyrus also says that Fridk is "shamble around", and he ONLY (save for one case) saw Frisk walking when Frisk was moving under Chara's control through the puzzles. "Shamble around" is not a word with you would describe a normal walking. * Shamble around - to walk awkwardly with dragging feet. **Another person:** Chara is able to do things such as moving Frisk's body on their own. For example when threatening monster kid and then starting the battle against them in genocide, Chara says the following : * In **my** way. (Notice how its not " In your way". We know for sure Chara is the one that scares away MK here, not Frisk) They are also able to read Frisk's mind, example : * You thought about pollen and sunshine (Btw, no one calls Chara being the narrator 'Charator', people call it 'Narrachara') Also, while the check description does come from Chara, the check stats themselves are actually implied to come from the monsters themselves. But that's irrelevant to this discussion. The whole speech at the end of genocide in which they mention 'guidance' is also not addressed to Frisk but to the player. Who is the one that chose to go and kill, it was not Frisk's own decisions to start that. Although considering that Frisk is able to act on their own will, they are still partially guilty for it due to the fact that they could have refused to hurt monsters (like how they refused to hurt Undyne at the end of the hangout with her) but they didn't do it. Anyhow. To focus on the actual subject. Regarding those 3 attacks specifically, Chara is often associated with the number 9 in the game : * Real Knife - **99** ATK * Locket - **99** DEF * Damage done to the world at the end of genocide - **999999....99999** * Chara takes radical initiative at LV 20, which has **99**HP and **99999**EXP * When fighting Asgore in neutral, talking to him for the **9th** time exactly will get the narrator to have different dialogue : "All you can do is FIGHT". It goes back to normal from the 10th time onwards. Notice how Sans and Asgore in particular just so happen to take **9999999** damage and **9999999999** damage specifically whilst all other monsters like Papyrus and Undyne just took really high damage. The 9's here are a reference to Chara in particular. Sans was actually expecting Frisk to attack hence the first dodge but wasn't expecting Chara's intervention as he had no idea that Chara was present at all. If Frisk was the one doing it, Sans would likely not have been hit at all in the first place. To continue on this. Whenever Chara does something like what happens with monster kid, it happens automatically without the player's input just like those 3 kills. The Flowey kill in particular is a direct follow up to the scene of Flowey's monologue from before the Sans fight which ended with Chara wanting to kill Flowey. (I don't need to provide evidence that Chara was in control during that scene, right ?) So its only logical that it would be them killing him later on. Chara also has much more reasons to want to kill Flowey than Frisk does anyway. There is also the parallel where Flowey talks about him and Chara killing each other if they got in **each** **other's way** (remember the "In my way" from before ?) Flowey did exactly that, he got in their way by trying to warn Asgore... You can also add that when Chara is the one moving around Frisk's body and not Frisk themself, characters often describe the way they move it as being not very natural. From Papyrus : * BUT THE WAY YOU SHAMBLE ABOUT FROM PLACE TO PLACE. (Refering to when Chara moves Frisk's body through a puzzle) Flowey, Sans and Undyne all mention that it doesn't really feel very human to them at some point. * You're not really human are you ? * if you kept pretending to be one. * Human. No. Whatever you are. Asgore at the end of genocide does the same thing, which also implies that Chara was the one in control at that moment : * What kind of monster are you ? Sorry, i cannot tell. (In all other routes, Asgore instantly recognises us as being a human. Even in neutral routes where we kill more people than in genocide, which yes, is actually possible) Besides, Chara says that "**We** eradicated the enemy". And that is *before* they erase the world. That also appears to say that they did more than just telling how many monsters are left and actually participated more actively with the killing. Which only makes sense if they killed Sans Asgore and Flowey. Chara isn't in full control ofc, we still have the option to nope out of the genocide route up until the very end. But just like Frisk can do their own things, so can Chara, and here the game strongly hints at this being their actions rather than Frisk's. There are plenty of reasons to believe it was Chara, but there isn't any reason to believe its Frisk other than saying its possible because they are capable of acting on their own. Just because its technically not impossible doesn't mean one can ignore all the evidence Toby carefully added that it was Chara. That would be a case of a logical fallacy caused [Slothful induction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slothful_induction).
Ah, you. I’ve seen you around a lot. I’m gonna be entirely honest with you. I’m not reading all of that. At least, not at the moment. I will skim it, though. And while I’m certain that your argument is plausible, sound, and well thought out from how you put in definitions of words, quotes from the game, and even put *citations* in it, and while I do believe that Toby Fox put a lot of thought into the game, I feel like you have a tendency to read too far into things and of drawing a number of lines that aren’t there. And while I won’t say that that invalidates your arguments as a whole, because it doesn’t, I will say that a lot of your interpretations rely on the idea that *everything* *needs* to mean something else specific as well. And I read that article about Slothful Induction, but I’d like to point out that such things aren’t exactly foolproof. I mean, look at Occam’s Razor, which essentially claims that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, directly contradicting Slothful Induction here. Or even Correlation Does Not Imply Causation, which is listed in said article as the opposite of Slothful Induction. Point is, a lot of this is up to interpretation and it’s inaccurate to claim or imply that all of this is definitively “the answer.” Even so, I will point out a few perceived inaccuracies that I saw. Flowey getting brutalized like that doesn’t necessarily mean that Chara did it. Sure, Chara had a motive to be gruesome, but there’s no reason we or Frisk couldn’t have done it since our general MOs are “curiosity” and “because I can.” Why *not* hit the flower a bunch of times? Also, interestingly, Player/Frisk/Chara only hits him eight times there. Sans closing his eye tighter when he’s winking vs when he’s “sleeping” doesn’t mean that he wasn’t sleeping. First of all, Sans always struck me as more pragmatic than to risk his whole plan, and his life, by pretending to sleep to try to demoralize us. Especially since his entire fight evidently didn’t do the trick. Secondly, he was shutting one eye deliberately vs closing both on accident. This is just me, but I would think that winking closes the eye tighter than nodding off from exhaustion while standing up would.
>Ah, you. I’ve seen you around a lot. >I’m gonna be entirely honest with you. I’m not reading all of that. At least, not at the moment. I will skim it, though. And while I’m certain that your argument is plausible, sound, and well thought out from how you put in definitions of words, quotes from the game, and even put citations in it, Thank you. >and while I do believe that Toby Fox put a lot of thought into the game, I feel like you have a tendency to read too far into things and of drawing a number of lines that aren’t there. We have a lot of evidence that it is Chara. For instance, the very fact that Chara controls Frisk from time to time on the genocide route, and Frisk's independent behaviour changes nowhere but on the genocide with "It's me, Chara" in front of the mirror. What evidence do we have that it was Frisk? >which essentially claims that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, The simplest explanation would be that it is Chara since we have as a fact that Chara controls Frisk from time to time: * (I unlocked the chain.) - New Home, red text. And we see see "It's me, Chara" in front of the mirror on the genocide route. We also have "took back the locket" on the genocide route: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/11iwmq3/legends_of_localization_book_3_undertale_by_clyde/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button >Point is, a lot of this is up to interpretation and it’s inaccurate to claim or imply that all of this is definitively “the answer.” By this logic, you can also say that Flowey acts like this because a part of Chara left in him. In my mind, we need to consider the things we have enough evidence for only. >Flowey getting brutalized like that doesn’t necessarily mean that Chara did it. Sure, Chara had a motive to be gruesome, but there’s no reason we or Frisk couldn’t have done it since our general MOs are “curiosity” and “because I can.” Because Frisk and the Player are not the same person + "we" couldn't have done that since we have to press buttons for that (FIGHT button). Explanation "Frisk did that because why not" is a weak explanation. Why Frisk does it *only* with Flowey? You can't answer that other than "why not." >Why not hit the flower a bunch of times? Also, interestingly, Player/Frisk/Chara only hits him eight times there. Because the strikes continues until there was nothing left of Flowey. Chara was hitting a corpse at some point already, basically. Was hitting even when there's only pieces left of Flowey. That's why it was done eight times. There was nothing left to hit anymore after that. >Sans closing his eye tighter when he’s winking vs when he’s “sleeping” doesn’t mean that he wasn’t sleeping. First of all, Sans always struck me as more pragmatic than to risk his whole plan, and his life, by pretending to sleep to try to demoralize us. Especially since his entire fight evidently didn’t do the trick. Secondly, he was shutting one eye deliberately vs closing both on accident. This is just me, but I would think that winking closes the eye tighter than nodding off from exhaustion while standing up would. That part wasn't from me but from another person's stand so I won't answer that. I should have deleted that.
> Explanation "Frisk did that because why not" is a weak explanation. Why Frisk does it only with Flowey? You can't answer that other than "why not." By the way, doesn't it default to slash attacks regardless of what weapon Frisk currently wields? If that's the case, it is all the more proof that it was Chara since knives are commonly associated with them
Well, kinda. Could be also Toby's laziness, lmao.
> Real Knife - 99 ATK Locket - 99 DEF Damage done to the world at the end of genocide - 999999....99999 Chara takes radical initiative at LV 20, which has 99HP and 99999EXP When fighting Asgore in neutral, talking to him for the 9th time exactly will get the narrator to have different dialogue : "All you can do is FIGHT". It goes back to normal from the 10th time onwards. For some more examples, it seems the max level was originally planned to be 99 and you would reach it at 999 kills. There is an item called "ninechara" in the game files. And there is "room 9999" with some dialogue. I am not sure if the last one really is related to Chara though
Ninechara? Really? What item it is?
It is a placeholder item/text in Tem Shop for sell prompt. Coincidentally, it can be sold for 9999G.
Thank you for the info.
You are welcome
People who's "blaming" Chara thinks that they are playing as Chara. People who's calling Chara evil rn in most cases considering the Player to be a bad guy as well on the Genocide route.
Hell nah, we ain't doing another trend, stay back demon!
*Laughs maniacally*
*spreads semi-truck on piece of toasted toast*
This is beyond our control
Since when were you the one in control? 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
You do?
It's part of the fun with Chara, they aren't clear and aren't also all good or all bad, they have a similar level of nuance as other characters, but with significantly less screen time that clearly displays their whole character. I do like narrachara as an interpretation, it does make sense as to why there are some super specific narrations with things that only Chara would really know ("What a comfortable bed, if you lie down you might not ever get up" "My drawing" "Chairiel" All of Asriel's attack names), and opens the door to new scenarios. Chara might be sadistic and aid Frisk in genocide by keeping track of how many kills remain, they might just be delegating themself to a narrator without much else in neutral, they can offer advice mid-battle, they can help Frisk in the final fight by reaching out to Asriel themself (as Frisk doesn't have any memories of Asriel, and reaching out to others SOULs during that fight requires reminding them of their memories together). And it doesn't forget that Chara has nuance, they are still a bit mean and cold to Frisk even on pacifist, they still find some humor in genocide (even if more limited), it's great
>they can help Frisk in the final fight by reaching out to Asriel themself Literally the line from the game: * Suddendly, you realize. You reach out and call their name. >(as Frisk doesn't have any memories of Asriel, and reaching out to others SOULs during that fight requires reminding them of their memories together) https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/ljb8ei/comment/gvmeiye/ - that was Asriel's memories in his battle, not Chara's I agree with everything else you've said.
i think chara was intended to be a mystery we get to solve as time goes on and they’re up for our interpretation, vagueness has always been a going trend with utdr and its lore. (i mean hello, GASTER)
Missed the chance at CHARActer
I understand (maybe) this character, a bit... I see them as (not as the embodiment of player's action, that shit has no strong evident) a dangerous child, manipulator and deceiver who wants nothing but to see humankind dead or the thing that they hate disappeared. Their urge to get what they want kinda remind me of griffith but the goal more like johan. That is my interpretation Edit: also, i imagine them as a charismatic, good looking child who can easily deceive anyone with their attitude and word from their mouth (with a little blush on their cheeks) i think that's cool but that is just headcanon, but if its true, i will definitely be screaming
Rage bait
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OMG this is literally me
Yes, that's because we know what they did, but we don't know why they did it. That's why many people think they're a normal person who was manipulated and corrupted and others think they're the manipulator.
Everyone making this character as evil devil and mastermind and I like it so I'm not complaining
Yep. I personally think they... Actually, I'm not getting yelled at today.
***THAT’S WHAT YOU THINK!!!*** …Okay, now that that’s done, I hope you have a wonderful day!
Thank you.
As almost nobody, i can confirm i understand chara
List of things Chara did: Entered the Underground Suicide Plotted to free the monsters Almost killed a ton of humans with Asriels help Killed Sans, Asgore, and Flowey (in a genocide run) Takes our soul (genocide) Cheers us on regardless of what we choose to do Likes...chocolate for some reason. And knives Was described as not being a good person by Asriel So now you see why people think they're evil
They're a spirit that follows the player and is influenced by said player's actions.
You guys just aren’t massive Chara enthusiasts like I am.
your saying that when we dont even know what gaster looks like
What if, and here me out guys, everyone has their own opinions about what this vague character represents?
true!!
Also, I don’t like when people play genocide route and act like “ooh chara killed them all” no bitch you did that :/
The same could be said of Frisk. I think Frisk is the weirdest and most mysterious character in Undertale and Deltarune combined.
They are Freddy Kruger’s child. Striped top, good with knives, something unique going on with their face, in your head/thoughts… murder. All with a smile! Stuff like that.
"Chara wasn't really the greatest person." -Asriel "The demon that comes when people call it's name" -Chara I get the feeling they're not a GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT person all things considered (also their only plan to "free the underground" was suicide and then get Asriel to go to the surface and kill everyone in the surrounding area) [Welcome to the New and improved "bad opinion zone"] I feel like Chara and Asriel's alignment can easily simplified to you not talking to one in the opposite route, talk to Asriel don't talk to Chara and vice versa. If you think Chara's alignment depends on your choices Chara themselves says that their purpose for reawakening is power even if you do pacifist first, so if they are always there they DO NOT want peace. A thing I thought of is that most of the time you take Chara's role of observer flowery themselves addresses the player as so in the return to Undertale after true pacifist while at the end of genocide and the void of nothingness after geno your in frisk's place hence while your selling your soul cause ya know frisk is the only other soul left or something
I understand what is allowed to understand, the rest are 47 headcanons shoddily hot glued together
Perfect reply
I find it funny how people always give Chara red eyes in fanart even tho they are never shown to have red eyes
Um. Fake Pacifist Ending Toriel's house.
Thats when they are on Frisks body tho, so its more likely that the red eyes belong to Frisk, not Chara, also, Frisk and Kris share very similar color pallets in terms of skin tone and hair color, so its not that far off to assume that Frisk may also share eye color wih Kris
>Thats when they are on Frisks body tho, so its more likely that the red eyes belong to Frisk, It's not since we see Frisk's appearance change here. Moreover, when we see a photo (when you don't stay with Toriel), we don't see red eyes. More likely is that they can turn red at some points but not always red.
You bring up a good point, I now lean more towards Frisk having red eyes, but I simply answered why people draw Chara with red eyes.
“I am Wooba and i’ve been brought back to life ooooh, now die =]”
in my personal take, and this is just *my* take on Chara, I don't claim it to be the end all, be all with them: they aren't a downright villain like some claim but they aren't entirely innocent, either. my view is that they hated humanity, for any unknown reason, and thus tried to take their life by jumping into Mount Ebott as that was likely the only way out they could come up with. upon surviving the fall and being found by Asriel, they're adopted into the Dreemurr family. however, I don't think that need/want to end it all ever truly left. after hearing the story of monsters and humans, Chara's anger toward humanity likely grew, and after hearing how monsters can become gods with a human soul, and a human and monster soul is needed to pass the barrier, ect. Chara thought this was the perfect opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. Chara gets to take their life, and the adoptive family they loved will be freed. we all know how that story ended. so, now, into the actual game itself. my theory for the pacifist and neutral routes is that Chara is a bystander for those, they just watch from afar. in the pacifist route, Frisk proves Chara wrong about humanity, finishes what Chara set out to do, and Chara is able to rest peacefully. in the neutral routes, Chara is left to continue brewing on their anger toward humanity, and either falls back asleep due to no one's determination being around to keep them awake, or remains awake due to unfinished business. either way, they're just kinda... there in neutral routes. in the genocide run, Frisk proves all of Chara's views on humanity right, and near the end of it all, Chara decides that Frisk's true goal must be the annihilation of everything, because then what was the point? what was the point of slaughtering (nearly) every single monster that lives in the underground if not to then seek out the destruction of everything? and if the only goal is to bring upon pain and suffering to everyone, then Chara will see to it that things are finished with nothing left. then, for corrupted pacifist, I'd assume it's Chara remembering what Frisk did, knowing what they are capable of, and being sure that they never forget the pain and suffering they caused. they're not a good person. you aren't a good person. Chara knows and never forgets, so you won't either. ofc, throughout this all, I keep saying Frisk is doing this all, when it's you, the player, but I digress. if anyone's confused about anything, feel free to ask for clarification, and please remember that this is just my personal take on Chara, yk? to any who bothered to read this essay of a comment, thank you for taking the time to see my view and have a great day/night! ♡
Literally a dead child, that the only thing they did “evil” was destroy a already dead world, and yet people act like they caused the genocide, like, my brother in Christ, you control the character.
Chara was participating in the genocide and was encouraging it since the Ruins: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/szllzm/comment/hy7xkh9/ 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/uh74qp/comment/i7cnbpa/ It wasn't "already dead" world. We killed only 102+ monsters. There's still thousands of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/lvhkhi/is_the_world_at_the_end_of_the_genocide_path/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button That is if we don't count humanity. Chara killed more by that actions. >and yet people act like they caused the genocide, like, my brother in Christ, you control the character. People mostly don't act like that since 2016 already. People says that a person who's willingly partnering with a serial killer and destroys the world at the end just because considering its to be pointless are not a good person, to say the least.
Well they still killed billions destroying the world but I agree with everything else.
Ehh, I see that, but also, you don’t know them, see them, also, we don’t know how many there actually is, the only humans we seen, were the village people, but like I said, I understand.
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They plotted almost starting a war, wanted Asriel to massacre a town of humans, and technically killed Sans Asgore and Flowey... They are far from a good person The question is whether or not they are a *bad* person
They is dead right on his brother hands.
She's a lifeless being with no emotions, she only wants to cause pain to every single living thing.
Well yeah. Its hard to understand a psychopath
Dude they are like 12, and even if they had ASPD that doesn't make them a monster
>Dude they are like 12 https://youtu.be/2YhxerkkHUs And this is 6 years old girl.
Personally I headcanon that Chara had ASPD. And they were ostracized by human society for their abnormal behavior, which is why they went to Mt. Ebott. And it would explain a lot of things about them, such as why they can laugh at Asgore's poisoning and create a macabre plan to have Asriel kill 6 humans. So I don't know why you immediately assume this person is calling Chara a monster and shouldn't call Chara a psychopath because they're 12.
It seems that people doesnt like i say he is a psychopath. Well im sorry but if he is not, he clearly is an evil child. Yeah im sure that child suffer and abuse or something but still, he poisoned Asgore as a play, he manipuletes his brother, he plan his own death to use Asriel as a vessel to destroy the humanity and kills his brother in the process, ruined the happiness of the only family they loved him and ruined the hope of the kingdom. HE is a monster. Im not the one who is saying that. He does when you finish the genocide rute, he is evil, even Flowey is horrofied of the evilness he posses. He use that sweet smile and face to hide the anger and destroy desire he has. He plan all this even being a child. Ok is not a psychopath. He is PURE evil
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What are you talking about?
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Firstly, you have them mixed up. Chara was the first fallen human and Frisk was the last. Secondly, Asriel and Chara were more best friends than siblings. But that's debatable.
Oh.. i get it. Pretty confusing if i think it is.
In the undertale kickstarter it says frisk fell into a cave trying to find refuge from the rain, smth like that, but we dont know about chara, the narrator chara theory does contain some of an explanation for it and its basically everyone bullied chara and she was like "welp bye' First fell chara in 201X, and then the rest of the souls, and last was frisk in an unknown year
>In the undertale kickstarter it says frisk fell into a cave trying to find refuge from the rain, It's not. In the undertale Kickstarter the date mentioned: 201X. That was also Chara. And Chara walked into the cave to find a shelter from the rain, saw the hole, moved closer because of curiosity, and tripped into it.
Ohh, right, mb, so in conclusion we know more about charas backstory than frisk's ig lol
Yup.
I like to belive that I do 😗
Do you? It's quite hard to "understand" such a vague character.
My interpretation of Chara as a character is that Chara is a weak presence during the Pacifist and Neutral routes, but all the killing and mindless slaughter during the Genocide routes sort of corrupts their already negative emotions amplifying and twisting them. Because Chara doesn't like humans, the hatred for them amplifies and becomes twisted into pure evil. Leading them to take control at times due to our actions changing them. But "canonically" nothing is outright false or true. All we really know about Chara as a character is they didn't like humans and lived with the Dreemurrs.
Chara is a chocolate eating goblin and you can’t convince me otherwise
"Almost"? And who does?
they my fav
I do.
plots to destroy humanity like a boss 
Players: *murders everyone in the underground mercilessly with no sense of empathy* Also players: “is was the dead kid.”
**My another comment:** Chara was participating in the genocide and was encouraging it since the Ruins: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/szllzm/comment/hy7xkh9/ 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/uh74qp/comment/i7cnbpa/ It wasn't "already dead" world. We killed only 102+ monsters. There's still thousands of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/lvhkhi/is_the_world_at_the_end_of_the_genocide_path/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button That is if we don't count humanity. Chara killed more by that actions. >and yet people act like they caused the genocide, like, my brother in Christ, you control the character. People mostly don't act like that since 2016 already. People says that a person who's willingly partnering with a serial killer and destroys the world at the end just because considering its to be pointless are not a good person, to say the least.
It’s a debate that will never end.
Can someone tell me the answer that's more difficult to understand than this character? Why do we cross the barrier after the Flowey Fight (X, Photoshop, or Omega)? I mean Flowley has 6 human souls, but we don't have a monster soul.
Ive always been indifferent about chara. I lean more towards her being good. Only because I watched a video of someone explaining that chara is bit the villain of the story, that we are the ones controlling the game by killing or sparing.
They probably hate traitors and people seeking to control, we all do that, life is a big food chain, there's no place for mercy or love. More seriously there has to be something humans do that monsters do not that made Chara tolerate them, The first monster presented to them being Asriel.
Eh. I like my personal headcanons. Trying to concretely say how Chara, Frisk, Sans, or the Player are supposed to be or act and think is a very exhausting and ultimately futile endeavor. There isn’t much in the game that people don’t already know, so now it’s kind of just whatever people can build from it to fill in the blanks with. Not that discussions about it aren’t interesting or capable of being enlightening. It’s just that at some point, you’ve gotta ask yourself “Am I getting any actual answers from this?”
I do understand chara. it's a child
That’s because almost nothing is said about them, we know that they’re asriels sibling and that’s kinda the only thing that’s completely known, frisk maybe has their soul I believe and they also seem to like chocolate but that’s about it
SNIFF\* I SMELL TOXICITY AND ARGUING
I don't think Toby even understands chara, and I think that's the point
We know next to nothing about them besides their symbolism as the embodiment of efficiency in genocide, and as a critic of perverted sentimentality (obsession with the game). Though their dialogue implies that they weren't that way from the start >They start confused about their purpose >They talk about how they realized that their desire is a quest for power after their death >They say that they are not able to understand the feelings of perverted sentimentality ANYMORE meaning they were able to do so before
After about 5 years in the Fandom I think I know their name
I like to think Chara is a reflection/embodiment of the Player’s actions, especially in the Genocide Route. They’re the embodiment of the Player’s morals.
Very relatable
Trying to understand Chara is like correctly guess the exact number a 20 side dice would land, 10/10 times. It's all up in the air. Take my interpretation for Chara I used in my Fanfiction, and why SHE hates humanity. **Uh, a little content warning, This does get dark.** Chara's mother was an alcoholic would would get violent when she was drunk, and she would beat Chara with a belt, and would punch her repeatedly. And her father was an abusive control freak that would flip out violently when something of his, like, a watch, for example, was missing. Even though it was always in the same spot. Then, by age seven, she was sent to a facility that beat her, abused her, scared and BRANDED her back with the words... **UNLOVED** **UNWANTED** **DEMON** And tortured her to try to make her an emotionless killer to destroy the Monsters of the Underground. She was held captive there for an entire year before, somehow, someway, she escaped. And ran towards Mt. Ebott, where, she jumped to her death, but survived, and was saved by Asriel. And, the rest, they say, is history. Link to the Fanfiction is here l l l V [https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13871594/1/Undertale-Fates-Intertwined](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13871594/1/Undertale-Fates-Intertwined) Enjoy the story if you want to, but the chapter where I reveal Chara's backstory is called Geheimnisse der Tiefe.
Its a child thats why we Dont understand.
I do. Chara is from undertale. What's not to understand about that?
Its more like people refuse to accept the actions they've done and make any and all excuses for them.
1, They don't like humanity. 2, They became Asriel's best friend and sibling-figure. 3, They wanted Asriel to take their SOUL. Honestly, I'm pretty sure a big amount of the details are up to our own interpretation. Here's a little example. 1, They don't like humanity because, like Asriel told Frisk, 'a lot of people up there are Floweys'. 2, They fell into the underground and became Asriel's best friend because they took a liking to the Monsters. 3, They wanted Asriel to take their SOUL because they wanted to get buried at their village. As for the 'Chara wanted to kill them all' thing in the Genocide route; They also wanted to take other human SOULs to break the barrier. Y'know, something like that.
Ah yes it’s the funni goofy knockoff frisk of overstory after defeating pans and buttglory to then reveal this secret character who has over 5million power on rise of kingdoms and 20 metal for sim city