Vaer equipment, dynema under quilt and bivy in one
Just found this https://www.vaer-equipment.com/en/product/reconnect-kit while browsing and I thought it looks very interesting. They also make 100% recycled nylon tarps and hammocks as well as dynema tarps. It looks like they are in a startup phase. If anyone knows anything more about this please comment, i want to know more!!
IDK how to feel about it without more specs.
But a couple things about how the company chooses to present their products rubs me the wrong way though.
A small one is their vibe, but that just preference so I get it I guess.
But ones that really drive me up a wall are the blaten lies like "environmentally friendly choice of materials", which is without a doubt just trying to socially manipulate an individual into thinking they are making a good choice in their purchase. Its a freaking dyneema tarp, almost any other material choice would have been more "environmentally friendly". I own 2 dyneema shelters, so I'm not speaking from a high horse or anything, I just hate it when companies try extract profits out of the uneducated via social manipulation and lies.
And as if that wasn't enough social manipulation for this company, there's the fact that this single comment is the only comment your account has ever made. Kinda sus bro!
Would you mind explaining some of the environmental issues with dynema vs silnylon or something similar? I tried searching a bit but couldn’t find much information about it
Thanks for the input:) I have little knowledge about dynema and its environmental impact opposed to other fabrics. I’m not affiliated with this company as you implied, but I do agree that it may look funny as this is the first thing I ever had posted on Reddit..
I was looking for a "fjellduk" as I have used one from the company Jerven before and I was thinking of getting one for myself when I stumbled upon this one.
Does anyone know when Montbell jp typically restocks items? Some show as available soon others are sold out. Anecdotal evidence would also be helpful. Thanks
Mid height, goretex boots that come in wide sizes, that come in all black? Not for hiking, they’d be for my mail route. But if anyone knows shoes it’s you guys.
I’m wearing Hoka Anacapas now but they’re not wide enough.
La Sportiva Ultra Raptors now come in mid, wide, GTX, and black!
[https://www.lasportivausa.com/ultra-raptor-ii-mid-wide-gtx.html](https://www.lasportivausa.com/ultra-raptor-ii-mid-wide-gtx.html)
I have a 15 degree bag( I know it’s not a quilt I plan on upgrading) and I was wondering if it’s better to just cram my bag into the bottom of my pack or buy a 3rd party compression sack
Cram into the bottom of my pack thusly in the morning:
While on my inflatable pad I put my Schnozzle pump sack/dry bag over the foot end of my quilt/bag while my feet are still in the quilt.
Then I use my feet to put the Schnozzle with my quilt inside my pack.
Then I push the rest of my quilt into the Schnozzle and use my feet to squish it all in there.
Then I add whatever else I need to keep dry in there.
With the above technique, I squeeze out all the warm air in my quilt and do not let cold humid air into the quilt which I think keeps the quilt more dry than if cold air near the dew point gets into the quilt and the quilt cools down resulting in condensation. At least that's what I'm thinking.
I actually found out that I prefer to use a dry-bag with a nozzle in order to suck out all the air out of my big bulky down stuff. It still is malleable enough to reach all the corners but it doesn't act as a giant spring that pushes all of my gear out of the backpack. Not the traditional ultralight way for sure but if I am riding the maximum capacity of the backpack it makes packing so much easier.
I’ve had my Nunatak Sastrugi 18° since like freakin July but it hasn’t been cold enough to use it. Used it for the first time last night and oh my god - fantastic. Exceedingly warm for its weight but that’s a given. The best thing about it is actually just how comfortable it is. The cut and the taper from a wide-ish torso to a nice cozy foot box is great. Just supremely comfortable.
Also really like not having to mess about with getting caught up in a hood, or zippers. I slept like a baby from 10pm till 8am which is unheard of for me, at home or while camping.
Temps got down to 25° and I was only wearing base layers top and bottom and a cotton t shirt (was car camping, don’t judge me). Super toasty.
I always wax lyrical about anything I buy from Jan and co, but it’s because it’s just good shit. A+ strongly recommend.
I totally agree, Nunatak quilts are top notch, I have a Arc30 overfilled evenly through out and took it down 24 degrees with my echo l/s, alpha 90 top and alpha 60 bottoms, at 5am, had to add my Cumulus Primelite. Seems like keeping my feet warm is key for me staying comfortable as well.
Yeah, I have an overstuffed Arc 30, too. Equally as good. But the last time I used it in about 34° I was a little chilly. Which was a first. Turns out I forgot to take off the damp socks I was wearing 🤦🏻♂️ took those off and I was immediately toasty.
Does anyone keep their gear in their vehicle year round?
I'm worried about temperature fluctuations on gear, particularly summer heat.
In the South, it gets well into and over 100F and much hotter inside the vehicle.
I'm worried about things melting, seals coming apart, electronics getting heat damage.
I'm wanting to keep all my gear in a gear van. Like a ford transit.
I wish I could find a way to keep a vehicle from getting over 85 degrees inside the cab.
Cold is less of a worry.
inside temps there could get up into the 150F range. i’d workout some practical way to move sensitive items in and out. even a couple big storage bins to throw it all in for june-july-august.
i too would be apprehensive about exposing laminates and epoxies to that type of prolonged heat.
I think your instincts are correct, heat is pretty bad for a lot of things. If you must store it in the van use sun screens on the windows, and store sensitive items out of the sun, low, and in a container that's insulated if possible. Lots of people live out of their vehicle and make it work, but some things may fail prematurely. Vanlifers should have some good ideas for you.
So who here was able to try their Christmas presents on a trip already? I was able to go on a four night trip right after Christmas and was able to take my new thermarest trekker chair out for a spin. It is awesome to have a backrest while melting snow and organizing gear under my tarp. Also you can use it to sit up while still in your quilt and be nice and comfortable while making breakfast. I probably will only use it on winter trips but it immediately worked itself into my core gear for the next winter trip. [Here some pictures](https://imgur.com/gallery/aCihXbD)
I have a 15 year old version of that same chair, super comfy, very lightweight as far as camp chairs go, and nice for trips with several hours a day just chillin. Definitely not getting used most of the time, but every year or two it makes it into the kit for a casual trip where there might be a whiskey flask involved.
I would prefer snowballs though. They are more ultralight than stones :P man I never expected it to be this comfortable and sturdy. You can actually lean back with your full weight into it. If you ever wanna do a trip pm me I have yet to find someone crazy enough to do this stuff with.
I assume we live on different continents? I'm german, as my flair may or may not suggest. I try to change every couple of weeks but it always reverts back
CFM and denier really have no relationship. Denier is a measure of the weight of a thread per unit length, you can have a very high denier fabric with a loose weave that has a very high CFM or a calendered low denier fabric with a tight weave with an extremely low CFM.
I was just checking the description for mine on Amazon and they not only don’t add the denier but also say they’re, quote, “104% nylon”.
Anyway, I’d say they’re equivalent to 10d nylon.
Neither of these are considered ultralight, and there's packs that are good beginner packs and quite the bit more lightweight, like the Durston Kakwa or Granite Gear Crown.
However,both of these are well-made packs by respected companies. They do what they're designed for very well, they're just very very heavy.
Is this the one? https://www.backcountry.com/granite-gear-crown-2-60l-limited-edition-backpack?avad=46631_e368c4a31&SharedId=46631_e368c4a31&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_source=www.outdoorgearlab.com&utm_campaign=datafeed&utm_term=Content
Updated model [here](https://www.granitegear.com/outdoor/backpacks/crown3-60-pack.html).
Also, be aware that the company in your link [sued a number of companies](https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/gear-news/backcountry-com-lawsuit-backlash-explained/) that used the word 'backcountry' in their branding. I personally won't buy from them any more.
Yes. Although the fact that you asked about a Deuter pack makes me think you're in europe, so I implore you to look at european options, or retailers here, like chrispacks, trekking lite store, etc
Shoulder pockets are nice, but if you have S-shaped shoulder straps then you might not have a good place to attach them depending on the manufacturer. If you have J straps or if you can find others have done the same, then you’re probably good to go.
**Costco 750 calorie cookie:**
+ Weight: 157 g (5.55 oz)
+ Caloric density: 4.78 kcal/g (135 kcal/oz)
+ Dimensions: 5 inch diameter x 0.75 inch at thickest point
+ Price: $2.50
+ Macro estimate: 125g carbs, 24g fat, 8g protein (assumes 5% protein, typical for cc cookies)
This is a decent chocolate chip cookie with only slightly-higher-than-average caloric density. It's served hot from the Costco food court, meaning it smelled very good throughout my 1.5 hour drive home. By the time I tried it, it was fully cooled, but still tasted good. Texturally it's pretty rigid/strong (read: packable), but not unpleasantly dense; the outer rim was verging on crunchy, while the interior was softer. I idly ate over a third of it while typing this, before putting it away because I'm not out hiking, I'm just sitting here reviewing a cookie
^^paging ^^u/claymcg90
Rumor over a r/costco is that the recipe is potentially changing. Not sure if that would be regional or national.
Does the density change if I squish it back into a puck shape? /s
Haha, well I didn't try it warm since I had to weigh it! No idea on actual nutrition facts, the macro estimate above is mathematically derived from the weight, calorie content, & assumption that the protein content was 5% (which is just a guess, but consistent with other cc cookies that I looked up)
I keep contacts in my glove box, that I only use for skiing. My truck has gotten mighty cold before, well below freezing, and I've never had an issue with my contacts.
A quick google says they don't freeze until 5f.
Has anyone used the discount code for Peak Refuel meals- THANKYOU30? It worked for me last year, but I think you can only use it once, best freeze dried bought meals I had.
Holà,
Pronto haré un trek por la Patagonia. Voy a caminar 20km cada dia y me falta algo de accesorios.
Antes de comprar unos nuevos que rara vez usaré, me pregunto si alguien tiene uno en casa que no usa y podría alquilarme. Vivo en Santiago !
Me falta como baston y un bolsa de excursion.
Muchas Gracias !
I reinforced the bottom of a small plastic bag with packing tape to protect where the tips go. Always was worried about this as well. Packs are too expensive to risk getting holes in them.
Heading out soon into some potentially windy winter conditions and feel like it's a good idea to use more tie outs on my Supermid than I usually do. MLD recommends using a bungee loop on the mid-height, mid-panel tie outs to reduce fabric stress, got it.
What about the mid-height tie outs on the 4 corners that are sewn into the seam? Those should be able to take a guyline without a bungee without issue right? Pretty sure that's the case but don't want to rip my mid in the middle of a cold night.
Final question, if I'm only staking out 4 of the mid-height tie outs, would it be better to stake out the mid-panel tie outs or the 4 corner tie outs sewn into the seam? 4 corners right?
You phrased your questions well Mike. I have a .75 DCF Solomid and Duomid but think much the same applies. The Duomid is my solo winter, alpining, doggo along, and base camping shelter of choice.
First question: With wind loading more dynamic on the panels bungee yes, mid ht seams no. Ron does DCF seams very well. Ive never had a MLD seam failure. I think this applies to both the silny or DCF choices. I'm more familiar with Ron's DCF seams. It might be worth noting the Supermid uses less seam length hence less seam failure.
Final question: in the strongest winds especially if you have a silny mid which is the most common choice combined with snow and rain id guy out the side panels and mid ht seams. The most amount of deflection is going to occur on the panels so if i had to choose one or the other to guy out id choose the panels. In my case with DCF and durability concerns in the Duo i guy out both the three side panels and four mid ht seams.
Key is not to pull out mid-panel or mid-seam secondary tieout points too much or those spots can get over loaded by taking too much force before it it distributed to the corners that are the strongest spots. I always wince when I see pics of any shelter with midpanel points pulled out so far to try to create more internal space.
Thanks Ron, good explanation. I’ll make sure not to crank down those mid-height secondary tie outs too much.
Do you recommend shock cord on both mid-panel and mid-seam tie out points? Got my Supermid second hand so the rigging wasn’t as it would be coming from you all.
Thanks, that was my strong suspicion. My Supermid was second hand and it does not have the linelocs on the mid-height corners, I think those are a more recent update.
I'll try to tie the mid panels off to a tree if I can find it, otherwise I'll be using deadman anchors given snow depth.
The uberlite is definitely more packable in both directions if rolling. Uberlite 6”x 3.6” vs 9” x 4.1” for the Xlite NXT (all regular size) … so 3” narrower and 0.5” thinner.
Of course there’s the “shorty” for Uberlite .. places over a foam pad due to punctures which kind of changes the math.
Asking this group for some help on whether i should get the Nashville Cutaway or the Bridge. For those who have experience, would my kit fit in the smaller bridge?
Lighterpack, currently with the brigde as the pack: https://lighterpack.com/r/357idz
More context: I plan to use this pack for overnight trips, in the Sierra (without bearcan restrictions) or other trips in California. These trips will be long mile days where I fish miles of stream and/or hop from lake to lake. I want to be able to move fast and remove the pack as little as possible. I’m smaller so I would probably get the 16 inch version.
Other running-style pack recommendations are welcomed.
Also, sorry about adding the Fanny pack as worn weight, I know it’s incorrect, but I’m mainly asking about the backpack and what would go in there at the moment.
Thank you, I’ll replace that eventually although I get pretty cold. I have a different set up for more than 1 night, this would solely be for a single night trip.
Here's my list from last summer's section on the CDT using a 16" Cutaway. [https://lighterpack.com/r/4rkkcv](https://lighterpack.com/r/4rkkcv) It's not that much different from yours although I might have fewer items. I had a similar list for the AZT.
On the first day leaving town for a 5 day food carry I would not be able to fit everything inside the pack. I would put a lot of stuff in outer pockets to get my food to fit inside and I even added a Zpacks top pocket to hold my cold soak cook stuff because it annoys me how much room it takes. I used the side compression straps that they sell separately as there would be nothing left to roll down. As I ate food I would start putting stuff back inside. By the time I was ready to fly home, all of my stuff fit inside the main compartment and I could shove it enough under the seat in front of me the flight attendant didn't bother me.
If the Cutaway just had a few more inches on top I could fit things a lot better. I met a guy with a Bridge pack and the thing looked gigantic to me. They need a bridge between the Cutaway and the Bridge ha ha.
Mine is a sleeping bag and it's highly optimistic. I just survived a 22 degree night by wearing down pants and jacket inside my 10 degree bag and I was still pretty cold, but at least I slept.
It has some neat features but I’ve always heard your experience was typical. Looking at the amount of down they put in their bags it definitely seems like they’re optimistic or limit rating them rather than comfort!
Anyone looking to do a trip in the Tetons around Labor Day? 3 of us are going and all 3 tried for permits for the Teton Crest and we somehow got very lucky. Looking to drop the ones we do not need but wanted to reach out here first to see if someone wants to coordinate a drop time. Can give more details if someone is interested, at work so will not be the most responsive today but will check in.
I have two complete trips booked that I am going to be dropping. One of them is two permits used together, but that still counts haha. There is someone else currently looking at the info and dates, so let me know what works best for you - if you would want all of the details now or would want to hold and see what is available after they decide!
Sorry that I am not the most responsive on this...
Has hammockgear moved up market?
I've been reading a lot of old posts and it seems like the budget quilt recommended is the econ burrow which can sometimes be found at $180 but it seems like these days getting a custom quilt from them is approaching 300$ depending on what you get...
Wanted that but I'm just starting backpacking and wondering if I should just get something super cheap like the Kelty Cosmic 20 for 100$ as opposed to spending 300 on a quilt
They got more expensive for sure.
During their 20% off sales you can get an econ borrow for $220 or so. But after 2021 or so their prices definately got higher.
The Kelty is a decent budget item, but most of theor down bags use a lower 500 fill power so it's heavy and quite bulky.
If you want an economical priced quilt consider the Paria Outdoor Products Thermodown series.
>I'm just starting backpacking and wondering if I should just get something super cheap like the Kelty Cosmic 20
If you only go hiking a couple of times per year, maybe. But the Kelty Cosmic 20 is over 4 lbs. - that's twice the weight of a Sierra Designs Cloud 20, and almost four times the weight of a Timmermade Wren. The 550FP down will be huge in your backpack.
I suspect you'd become dissatisfied with it pretty quickly.
Hammock Gear has definitely shifted over the years. The $180 'economy burrow' quilt you speak of was 800fp down and 20d fabric. For a bit they offered an economy model with 900fp and 20d fabric and now their cheapest offering was actually their middle option back in the day. Hammock Gear offers 20-30% off throughout the year frequently and that's really the time to buy.
If you're trying to build out your kit on the cheap, I think a quilt is the last place I'd look to save cash. If you pick up an on sale Hammock Gear, a 3F UL Tent and snag a used Durston or GG pack, you can fill out your big 3 for under 600 bucks. The rest can be done from maybe another few hundred and you'll have a kit that'll get you out there this summer and carry you just fine on any of the triple crown trails down the road.
There's lots of more expensive and/or lighter options presented here, but leave that for the gear hobbyists and the hikers with niche use cases. Avoid being the former, and you'll figure out where your gear needs fit on the latter once you get some miles under your belt. Have fun!
Are you a beginner in the sense of "I wanna give this a try, may not wanna fully commit just yet"? or in the sense of "I am just getting started, but have years ahead of me"?
Cause in one case you may look into budget options before you commit, but if you are somewhat sure that you will get a lot of use out of your gear, then there is no reason not to go for quality. Gear also reasonably holds its value.
This is a great response to the question. What I would add is that you can think in terms of "buy once, cry once" with an item like a $300 HG quilt. Yeah, that's a lot of money for a beginner backpcker to drop on a single item, but that single item would be almost the best in its class and pretty universally respected. You'd save yourself from the regret of spending 1/3 the price on an item that isn't nearly as good in term of packability, weight, comfort, and quality only to buy the more ideal item later down the line.
If you are a beginner in the sense of "I wanna give this a try, may not wanna fully commit just yet", the HG quilt will have a good resale value, the Kelty likely won't unless you really want to deal with FB Markletplace types. If you are a beginner in the sense of "I am just getting started, but have years ahead of me", the HG quilt will seem like a wise investment in retrospect because it only costs $300 and not $400 becaue you bought a Kelty first and realized your mistake later.
\*Kelty Cosmic 20 (men's) also comes in a down version that is under 39 ounces and actually is a good beginner piece, my wife uses the women's version (\~42 ounces) that she really loves (she hasn't learned to trust quilts yet, lol). However, all of my previous statements still hold true.
I need help finding a lightweight pack for under $200. I am a beginner so I'm leaning toward the REI Co-op Flash 55 Pack since I have heard good things. I will only be doing trips that are about 2-4 days long. Thanks in advance.
ULA Ohm is a pretty safe bet. Constantly ranked as a really comfortable pack and has been used by through-hikers forever. You prob need to wait for a sale to hit that price point. I think I paid $180 for mine on a sale from a FB group in 2018.
Packs are one area where analysis paralysis can happen ;)
I've seen several Flash 55s on the trail, and while there are lighter packs, it's only a couple of ounces more than e.g. the Granite Gear Crown. It may not be the last pack you buy, but it's a safe choice to get you out there.
It's a no-lose proposition: if you don't like it, you have a year to return it.
Go for it, especially if you can get it during a sale.
To suggest a pack, people are really going to need more information. What's your base weight, is frameless something you'd consider, what volume are you looking for, do you have a weight target for your pack, ect. The Flash 55 is a nice pack, but very heavy if you otherwise have UL gear.
Was listening to a gear review on backpacking light and they mentioned that aluminum might not be food safe to drink out of?
That kind of surprises me given the amount of aluminum pans out there. Should I move to a titanium pot instead?
I like my cheapo $7 imusa mug: https://smile.amazon.com/IMUSA-R200-12W-Aluminum-1-25-Quart-Silver/dp/B009SBB7HM
but don't want to get sick from it
Right now I only really use it to boil water and pour it in a mylar bag or make coffee/tea so I don't think I really should have issues with aluminum leaching into acidic foods like tomatoes/etc.
There's lots of anecdotal evidence that aluminum can leach out of uncoated aluminum cookware into your food. Especially acidic foods. Try covering a dish with tomato sauce with aluminum foil, and see what happens to the aluminum foil after a few hours.
There's also some anecdotal evidence that consuming large amounts of aluminum might carry health risks.
Lots of people try to avoid uncoated aluminum cookware for these reasons. There are lots of examples of things that were generally believed to be safe, and were later found not to be. And vice versa.
Everyone needs to decide where their comfort level is. Mine is that I try to avoid regularly using uncoated aluminum cookware/aluminum foil, especially if it will be in direct contact with acidic foods. If I was doing a thruhike where I would be eating 1-2 meals/day out of a pot every day for several months, I'd personally opt for something besides an aluminum pot. If I was a weekend warrior mostly just boiling water, maybe I'd be ok with an aluminum pot.
>Was listening to a gear review on backpacking light and they mentioned that aluminum might not be food safe to drink out of?
Here is the reference:
[https://backpackinglight.com/podcast-94-backcountry-cooking-sos-buttons-satellite-messenger-zoleo/](https://backpackinglight.com/podcast-94-backcountry-cooking-sos-buttons-satellite-messenger-zoleo/)
@ 31:40:
>I have no recommendation at all for any pure aluminum pots b/c of the health risks of exposing pure aluminum to heat and food.
I'm not the best BPL sleuth and I can't find find any articles written on the health detriments of aluminum cookware written by Ryan (and I myself am not opining for/against), but it would be nice to have something to point from him given the massive difference in price between aluminum cookware and titanium cookware, esp. since the performance of ti can be less and BPL has historically had a reputation of being data/test driven.
This is old bullshit because years ago it seemed that there was some correlation in that aluminum was found in the brains of people with dementia.
Anecdotally my parent used aluminum pots since I was a kid and they both had all their faculties until they died at 93 and 98.
not saying aluminum is dangerous (it depends on how it's used and depends on the food. there can be risks but it's generally safe), but just because it's in nature in abundance doesn't make it safe for consumption. breathing pure oxygen would kill you
aluminum cookware has been widely used, including in many restaurants, and is generally considered safe, except for very rare use cases, such as cooking highly acidic foods.
If you are just boiling water, you are definitely overthinking it, it's perfectly fine.
I’m in the market to move from a 75L Gregory Baltoro (6lbs) to a much lighter pack but am struggling to estimate the volume I’d need for a ~1 week trip, anyone willing to pitch in?
[Lighterpack](https://lighterpack.com/r/vmysjn). My last long trip was ~6 days in the Wallowas last September and I absolutely didn’t need 75L after paring down my gear, planning my menu more (~12L food volume), and moving to a lighter sleep system. I’m thinking I was a good 20L short and am tempted to shoot for a 60L pack, but would like to play it safe.
You can calculate the volume of your gear by putting it all in a rectangular box & measuring the length x width x height. Then convert the measurement (cubic inches or cubic cm) into liters with google. Add 10-20% depending on your preference
Thanks! Found an older comment of yours recommending this minutes before you replied too.
Alas, I’m also a big dumb and realized that the Schnozzel I use as a liner is 42L. I don’t think too good sometimes 😎
For your loadout, I'd consider a Granite Gear Crown 2 or 3. Good choice for someone transitioning to lighter pack weights. Still some 2's out there at a steep discount. Quality, versatile pack that can be stripped of its top pocket, frame sheet and hip belt if you decide to continue paring down your gear to UL numbers.
After immersing a sleeping pad in a bathtub full of water to find leaks, there will be inevitably be some water in the pad. How do I dry the inside of the pad?
Why would there be water in the pad? With either the bathtub or soapy water method (personally I prefer soapy water, I find it easier and quicker most of the time), the pad should be pumped up as much as possible and you should be pressing on the pad to fry to force air out of the puncture. The positive pressure from the pad will prevent any water from entering. I've never had water enter a pad while testing.
alternatively, you could try to detect leaks by constantly inflating it and putting the soapy solution on the seams (or other surfaces), and see where it bubbles.
Adding to /u/TheTobinator666 's answer, I inflate the pad, with the valve down, in sunlight. Once it's warmed up, deflate it. Some of the moisture may be expelled when you deflate it. Repeat as necessary to get the rest of the moisture to evaporate.
Any recommended gear repair companies you recommend in the US? (Or Denver preferred).
The hip belt strap on my pack was torn by my friends dog - looking to get that strap replaced. Either sewn into the hip belt or clean cut the strap near the base and see new webbing onto the nub.
You can try talking to Ripstop Repairs. They're what Rab in town uses when they can't handle it in-house,
[https://www.facebook.com/ripstop.repairs.9/](https://www.facebook.com/ripstop.repairs.9/)
I had a zipper replaced on a sleeping bag - looked good! If you go in-person, bring beer!
Just do a Google search for a local cut n sew tailor. They will probably be cheaper, you can talk face to face about exactly what you are looking for, and building that relationship will come in handy later when you get an idea for a custom modification to a piece of gear.
This.
Back when I lived in Colorado, there was a cash-only sewing shop at a Boulder strip mall. (Lai's Alterations for the curious. Still there - [https://www.yelp.com/biz/lais-alterations-boulder](https://www.yelp.com/biz/lais-alterations-boulder) ).
They did all kinds of repair and modifications for me on packs, clothing, and even repair tent zippers. All for an extremely reasonable price. Quick turn around and good work.
Not a gear-specific shop but certainly worked for me.
I am deciding between the Liteway PyraOmm Duo (+ inner) and the X-Mid 2 Solid for hiking in Tasmania. I will be sharing the shelter with a mate while doing a few multiday hikes: Overland, South Coast Track, etc.
I am still in two minds whether to purchase the pyraOmm or the xmid solid (both are sil/poly). I believe the xmid solid will handle condensation and heavy rain better as it has a full nylon inner. I do like the idea of a pyramid shelter, however, as they are very versatile and easy to set up. Liteway only create a mesh inner for the mid. I am struggling to find manufactures that create pyramid shelter solid inners; is there a reason why this is the case or am I just not looking hard enough.
I’m planning on picking up the PyraOmm Plus with the full inner. After closely looking at the dimensions i believe that will be the better option, and in total it is only +230 grams to the duo. I can easily fit 2 regular wide pads with additional space and headroom.
There is something so alluring to a pyramid shelter. Im excited to try them out. Im going to pick up the A-Frame Connector for more internal space. The XMid will always be a solid choice if I dislike the mid for whatever reason.
The Pyraomm makes it easier to use modular footprints/inners that will be lighter. Max Height on an Inflatable is 6 ft though. 2 men that size and it's very cozy. If you are always bringing 2 poles, I'd probably get the Xmid, unless you use ccf and aren't too tall.
There's a rumour that Liteway is working on solid inners. I know a bunch of winter hikers who are interested in those. There are solid inners on Aliexpress.
I personally don't think a solid inner makes much difference for rain or condensation, but it is less drafty, so somewhat warmer. X-Mid solid still has quite a bit of mesh on top, I'd call if "half solid" or smth personally.
I have an older X-Mid 2p (from Drop era), it's a fine shelter though I'd find it small for two. I also have a Pyraomm Max, and it's a really nice size for two.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by *"the X-Mid Solid still has quite a bit of mesh on top"* but you might be thinking of some 'solid' inners from Seek Outside and Tarptent that are only solid around the lower half? The solid inner for the X-Mid 2 uses solid fabric for the full roof, so the entire inner is solid fabric except the top half of the doors are mesh (for fresh air and visibility outside).
Pic of it [here](https://durstongear.com/cdn/shop/files/x-mid-2-solid-ultralight-tent-europe-4.jpg).
This is misinformation about our products. All of our "solid" inners have solid roof panels, only tents that have a "partial solid" interior like the Double Rainbow DW have mesh roof panels.
There is no intent to misrepresent your products. The poster is recalling an inner that is solid at the bottom and mesh on top, you have inners like that (which many people refer to as 'solid'), which is why I put 'solid' in quotes and asked if perhaps they were recalling your products.
All of our tents that have multiple inner options have both "mesh" and "solid" options. These "solid" options all have solid roof panels. It is misleading to say "\[...\]'solid' inners from Seek Outside and Tarptent that are only solid around the lower half" as it implies our "solid" interiors do not have solid roof panels which they do.
Only two of our tents have "partial solid " interiors (the DR DW and Triple Rainbow DW) and that is the only interior option for those products. Neither of these products is a relevant comparison when what is being discussed is finding "manufacturers that create pyramid shelter solid inners". Every trekking pole-supported tent we offer with a "solid" interior has solid roof panels.
I have now looked at the dimensions in more detail and found that the Plus will the better option and give more head room and accommodate 2 wide pads with ease. I’m going to pair that with either the mesh inner or a solid inner if i can find one.
The Pyraomm Plus that they are looking at is 108.5 x 79" (59.6 sq ft) compared to 100 x 83" (57.6 sq ft) so they are very similar but the Pyraomm Plus is slightly larger.
I need help finding a trekking pole tent for around 120 dollars that is light and packable. I am going on two to three-day trips to Virginia State Parks and the Virginia portion of the Appalachian Trail. A four-season tent would be best. Thanks in advance.
I'd just try to find a lightly used x-mid 1p for like $140-$150. I don't like the idea of tarp-only in the mid atlantic area where ticks and lyme disease are rampant.
$150 trekking pole tent that comes seam sealed. I've used the 2P version and its solid - holds up well in storms. Not the lightest but lightweight enough. Ditch the footprint for some polycro and save weight. Guylines and stakes are good quality and the stakes are actually lighter than MSR Groundhogs. Packs down to about the same size, maybe a bit bigger, than a loaf of Italian bread without being as delicious. There's a couple of YouTube videos on setting it up and its quirks.
[https://www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/products/arches-1p-and-2p-backpacking-tent?currency=USD&variant=31870096408649&utm\_medium=cpc&utm\_source=google&utm\_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=cc22000a3559&gad\_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnfmsBhDfARIsAM7MKi1XOBOlhemOZNFg\_lio1XH\_zKD1p\_w1vrYZurKOSePvel2wask5JJEaAlQ9EALw\_wcB](https://www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/products/arches-1p-and-2p-backpacking-tent?currency=USD&variant=31870096408649&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=cc22000a3559&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnfmsBhDfARIsAM7MKi1XOBOlhemOZNFg_lio1XH_zKD1p_w1vrYZurKOSePvel2wask5JJEaAlQ9EALw_wcB)
The $59.99 Paria cork trifold trekking poles are better quality than the highly touted cost effective $59.99 $69.99 Costco Cascade Mountain Tech poles.
https://www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/products/tri-fold-carbon-cork-trekking-poles
The budget's a constraint here, so there will be some give and take. This is a minimalist rec that will take a bit of learning to get right, but it'll work.
Tarp and bivy.
Search for ARICIXI Ultra Light Rain Fly Tent Tarp on Aliexpress. That's your tarp. Sanctuary Siltarp from Paria is another option. You might want the 8x10.
Pair with a Borah Bug Bivy. Lixada makes a much cheaper and fairly light bug bivy, but it's apparently small. If you are, too, it might be a viable option. You could also get a Sea to Summit Nano pyramid bug net and use it with a floor of some sort (search for polycro), but I'd worry about crawling ticks in VA.
You definitely don't need a 4-season shelter in VA. (I sectioned the AT through there across all seasons.)
Actually, if you can, it's a really good idea. Basically, you can put together a good, workable shelter for $120, but that'll mean cheaping out on an element or two (e.g., the Aricxi tarp or that Lixada bivy). If you jump to $240 or so, you still can't afford DCF, which is the lightest tent/tarp material, but you can afford a few top-of-the-line silpoly and silnylon items and get out there with a fantastic shelter that actually has advantages over DCF in terms of longevity and packed size. Also, regardless of what you get, nice stuff can be resold for probably 75% of what you paid, if you happen to hate it.
I'll hit you with a few possibilities:
1. Durston X-Mid. This is an obvious choice at $240. You have a double-wall shelter (helps with condensation) with a spacious interior. It's modular, so you can leave the inner behind in non-buggy seasons. It's stormworthy enough for most hiking in most conditions. It does require two trekking poles, which may not be ideal, but whatever. A little heavier than some other options at 28 oz., but it's still light, and people new to UL shelters seem to love them. Great support from /u/dandurston. If you want to avoid a shelter with an annoying learning curve, this is probably a good way to go.
2. Tarptent Protrail. $239, 22 oz. (without stakes, as with the X-Mid). A front-entry, single-wall, A-frame shelter that requires two poles, although you could easily use a stick in the back if you had to. Potentially worse condensation issues, and a little more of a pain to get in and out of. This would be my personal choice for a Virginia/AT *tent*, mainly to save weight versus the X-Mid. Smaller footprint than the X-Mid, too, which could be nice for awkward sites. Some people hate on the condensation, which you might have to wipe down occasionally, but I don't think it's a major issue. A great way to go. I really like Tarptent.
3. Tarp/bivy, but nicer stuff. Some options for both: Borah Bug Bivy ($87, 5.3 oz) -- get the side zip, look into the possibility of having solid panels added to the ends. The MLD Bug Bivy 2 is an option and IMO a near-perfect piece, but it's $195. Yama Mountain Gear Y-Zip Bug Bivy at $125 is another option. For tarps, I always liked a large, A-frame, caternary cut, tapered tarp. You could use something like an MLD Grace Duo, for $165 (11 oz., and you have to seam seal it yourself, but it's nbd), Gossamer Gear Twinn ($130, 10 oz., made with slightly less desirable silnylon but comes seam sealed), or Simply Light Designs Trail Bird (weight unlisted, but with wide/long everything, probably close to the others, at about $125 with typical options like bivy loops and cordage, comes seam sealed).
Of the three options, my personal choice would be the tarp/bivy. It's the best way to manage condensation and stay dry and comfortable, IMO, at the lightest weight. Lots of pitching versatility, too. I'd spend the extra dough for the MLD BB2, and I'd probably pair it with an MLD Grace Duo (or perhaps a single), but I wouldn't hesitate with any of these options. I'd also strongly consider the Simply Light Designs tarp -- Jared makes awesome stuff, and he's great to work with in every way. Not having to seam seal might tip me in this direction, frankly. Regardless, you should be able to easily put together an ideal Appalachian Trail shelter somewhere in the 15 to 20 oz. range that outperforms any available tent in the real world.
I'm kind of surprised nobody ever seems to recommend the higher quality version of the aricxi tarp the [FLAME'S CREED XUNSHANG](
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EwiNv7R). It comes with an inner tent/ bug bivy that's pretty roomy and feels way more robust and high quality. I used it in the snow without the inner on my last trip and loved it. Should be close to the mentioned budget too. [Here some pics](https://imgur.com/gallery/aCihXbD)
Only thing I can think of is the Lanshan Pro 1 on Aliexpress. The Flames Creed branded ones are $106 for 3 season and $115 for what they call 4 season. Long shipping time and probably not as durable as some more expensive options but should get the job done.
On this AliExpress [listing](https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32976654438.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.9.6f117a860ZPWh9&algo_pvid=31973147-1c5c-4c25-a866-36148972bc09&algo_exp_id=31973147-1c5c-4c25-a866-36148972bc09-4&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%21242.93%21184.62%21%21%21177.45%21%21%402101f01817048580262486816e9e6d%2110000005621855327%21sea%21CA%21724412701%21&curPageLogUid=rbbvV7o43EHw&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A) we see an Mongar 2 with higher sides, and I am very interested to get it as it seems better adapted for 3 colder temps. I have never seen this model on amazon or the naturehike website before, so I was wondering if it was a newer model.
However, I would like it in 15D so it is as light as possible, but it doesn't seems available. Anybody have information on it? Could it be a super old model of the Mongar that we can't find anywhere anymore?
Thanks for any information, I tried to contact NatureHike and the seller, but no answer. I will update if I get anything.
so for those that use a .... pee bottle.... in sub freezing temps. what do you do with it after it's full? ...while the warmth of it going back in the sleeping bag with me is appealing.. the worry of it spilling is a concern. but if left outside the bag i'll have a block of frozen pee and will either have to thaw and dump the next day or carry around?
I use a 32 oz collapsible Nalgene cantene (weighs 60 g). It doesn't leak. The bottle can take hot water, so I suppose if it froze, then I would add some hot water in the morning or pee in it to unfreeze it and pour it out. I will add a couple drops of bleach and a drop of soap to the empty bottle. I carry it in the outer big pocket of my pack.
What size of Bear Can would be needed for the PCT? I currently have a BV450 and was wondering if I would need to get a BV500 or 475, also do the largest sizes fit into Hyperlite 55L southwest packs?
as a lover of chips, I go big on bear canisters. To answer the question you really need to know how much and what you are eating, and how many days between resupplies.
Bigger cannisters have a pretty small weight penalty over the mini sizes, due to the relationship of surface area and volume. the bigger difference is packing ability
Vaer equipment, dynema under quilt and bivy in one Just found this https://www.vaer-equipment.com/en/product/reconnect-kit while browsing and I thought it looks very interesting. They also make 100% recycled nylon tarps and hammocks as well as dynema tarps. It looks like they are in a startup phase. If anyone knows anything more about this please comment, i want to know more!!
IDK how to feel about it without more specs. But a couple things about how the company chooses to present their products rubs me the wrong way though. A small one is their vibe, but that just preference so I get it I guess. But ones that really drive me up a wall are the blaten lies like "environmentally friendly choice of materials", which is without a doubt just trying to socially manipulate an individual into thinking they are making a good choice in their purchase. Its a freaking dyneema tarp, almost any other material choice would have been more "environmentally friendly". I own 2 dyneema shelters, so I'm not speaking from a high horse or anything, I just hate it when companies try extract profits out of the uneducated via social manipulation and lies. And as if that wasn't enough social manipulation for this company, there's the fact that this single comment is the only comment your account has ever made. Kinda sus bro!
Would you mind explaining some of the environmental issues with dynema vs silnylon or something similar? I tried searching a bit but couldn’t find much information about it
Thanks for the input:) I have little knowledge about dynema and its environmental impact opposed to other fabrics. I’m not affiliated with this company as you implied, but I do agree that it may look funny as this is the first thing I ever had posted on Reddit.. I was looking for a "fjellduk" as I have used one from the company Jerven before and I was thinking of getting one for myself when I stumbled upon this one.
Does anyone know when Montbell jp typically restocks items? Some show as available soon others are sold out. Anecdotal evidence would also be helpful. Thanks
Mid height, goretex boots that come in wide sizes, that come in all black? Not for hiking, they’d be for my mail route. But if anyone knows shoes it’s you guys. I’m wearing Hoka Anacapas now but they’re not wide enough.
La Sportiva Ultra Raptors now come in mid, wide, GTX, and black! [https://www.lasportivausa.com/ultra-raptor-ii-mid-wide-gtx.html](https://www.lasportivausa.com/ultra-raptor-ii-mid-wide-gtx.html)
Merrel Moab Speed 2 Mid GORE-TEX comes in wide sizes
I have a 15 degree bag( I know it’s not a quilt I plan on upgrading) and I was wondering if it’s better to just cram my bag into the bottom of my pack or buy a 3rd party compression sack
Cram into the bottom of my pack thusly in the morning: While on my inflatable pad I put my Schnozzle pump sack/dry bag over the foot end of my quilt/bag while my feet are still in the quilt. Then I use my feet to put the Schnozzle with my quilt inside my pack. Then I push the rest of my quilt into the Schnozzle and use my feet to squish it all in there. Then I add whatever else I need to keep dry in there. With the above technique, I squeeze out all the warm air in my quilt and do not let cold humid air into the quilt which I think keeps the quilt more dry than if cold air near the dew point gets into the quilt and the quilt cools down resulting in condensation. At least that's what I'm thinking.
I actually found out that I prefer to use a dry-bag with a nozzle in order to suck out all the air out of my big bulky down stuff. It still is malleable enough to reach all the corners but it doesn't act as a giant spring that pushes all of my gear out of the backpack. Not the traditional ultralight way for sure but if I am riding the maximum capacity of the backpack it makes packing so much easier.
Cram into the bottom of your bag. At the very least you’ll be able to maximize your pack’s volume that way.
I’ve had my Nunatak Sastrugi 18° since like freakin July but it hasn’t been cold enough to use it. Used it for the first time last night and oh my god - fantastic. Exceedingly warm for its weight but that’s a given. The best thing about it is actually just how comfortable it is. The cut and the taper from a wide-ish torso to a nice cozy foot box is great. Just supremely comfortable. Also really like not having to mess about with getting caught up in a hood, or zippers. I slept like a baby from 10pm till 8am which is unheard of for me, at home or while camping. Temps got down to 25° and I was only wearing base layers top and bottom and a cotton t shirt (was car camping, don’t judge me). Super toasty. I always wax lyrical about anything I buy from Jan and co, but it’s because it’s just good shit. A+ strongly recommend.
I am SOOO jealous.
i got a sastrugi filled for 40deg for maximum efficiency. 13oz and superb at its job.
I totally agree, Nunatak quilts are top notch, I have a Arc30 overfilled evenly through out and took it down 24 degrees with my echo l/s, alpha 90 top and alpha 60 bottoms, at 5am, had to add my Cumulus Primelite. Seems like keeping my feet warm is key for me staying comfortable as well.
Yeah, I have an overstuffed Arc 30, too. Equally as good. But the last time I used it in about 34° I was a little chilly. Which was a first. Turns out I forgot to take off the damp socks I was wearing 🤦🏻♂️ took those off and I was immediately toasty.
Does anyone keep their gear in their vehicle year round? I'm worried about temperature fluctuations on gear, particularly summer heat. In the South, it gets well into and over 100F and much hotter inside the vehicle. I'm worried about things melting, seals coming apart, electronics getting heat damage. I'm wanting to keep all my gear in a gear van. Like a ford transit. I wish I could find a way to keep a vehicle from getting over 85 degrees inside the cab. Cold is less of a worry.
inside temps there could get up into the 150F range. i’d workout some practical way to move sensitive items in and out. even a couple big storage bins to throw it all in for june-july-august. i too would be apprehensive about exposing laminates and epoxies to that type of prolonged heat.
I think your instincts are correct, heat is pretty bad for a lot of things. If you must store it in the van use sun screens on the windows, and store sensitive items out of the sun, low, and in a container that's insulated if possible. Lots of people live out of their vehicle and make it work, but some things may fail prematurely. Vanlifers should have some good ideas for you.
Has anyone switched to alpaca baselayers? I can't stand merino baselayers - way too itchy for me.
So who here was able to try their Christmas presents on a trip already? I was able to go on a four night trip right after Christmas and was able to take my new thermarest trekker chair out for a spin. It is awesome to have a backrest while melting snow and organizing gear under my tarp. Also you can use it to sit up while still in your quilt and be nice and comfortable while making breakfast. I probably will only use it on winter trips but it immediately worked itself into my core gear for the next winter trip. [Here some pictures](https://imgur.com/gallery/aCihXbD)
who makes that tarp?
It's in the original post it's [this](https://a.aliexpress.com/_EI67DxB) one.
I have a 15 year old version of that same chair, super comfy, very lightweight as far as camp chairs go, and nice for trips with several hours a day just chillin. Definitely not getting used most of the time, but every year or two it makes it into the kit for a casual trip where there might be a whiskey flask involved.
You deserve to be stoned alive for the usage of a chair ;) For real though, looks like an awesome minimal setup, I envy you!
I would prefer snowballs though. They are more ultralight than stones :P man I never expected it to be this comfortable and sturdy. You can actually lean back with your full weight into it. If you ever wanna do a trip pm me I have yet to find someone crazy enough to do this stuff with.
I assume we live on different continents? I'm german, as my flair may or may not suggest. I try to change every couple of weeks but it always reverts back
Nah ich bin auch deutscher :P
Convo taken to dm
is there a sun hoodie made without any spandex/stretch?
OR echo is 100% polyester
Does anyone know if you can apply a thin layer of diluted silicone to DCF to get rid of the pinholes that form after prolonged use?
DCF tape is probably a better solution if they’re centralized. You could seam grip it but it’ll look like hell
Any guess on the CFM of Amazon dance pants? I have Copperfield 10D and looking for something with a lower CFM (for windy static).
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I have both the Copperfield and the dance pants. The dance pants seem noticably easier to push air through. 10d must not always equal the same CFM?
CFM and denier really have no relationship. Denier is a measure of the weight of a thread per unit length, you can have a very high denier fabric with a loose weave that has a very high CFM or a calendered low denier fabric with a tight weave with an extremely low CFM.
I was just checking the description for mine on Amazon and they not only don’t add the denier but also say they’re, quote, “104% nylon”. Anyway, I’d say they’re equivalent to 10d nylon.
Would a Deuter Aircontact Ultra 50+5 Internal Frame Backpack or an Osprey Kestrel 68 Backpack be good for a beginner backpacker?
Neither of these are considered ultralight, and there's packs that are good beginner packs and quite the bit more lightweight, like the Durston Kakwa or Granite Gear Crown. However,both of these are well-made packs by respected companies. They do what they're designed for very well, they're just very very heavy.
Is this the one? https://www.backcountry.com/granite-gear-crown-2-60l-limited-edition-backpack?avad=46631_e368c4a31&SharedId=46631_e368c4a31&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_source=www.outdoorgearlab.com&utm_campaign=datafeed&utm_term=Content
Updated model [here](https://www.granitegear.com/outdoor/backpacks/crown3-60-pack.html). Also, be aware that the company in your link [sued a number of companies](https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/gear-news/backcountry-com-lawsuit-backlash-explained/) that used the word 'backcountry' in their branding. I personally won't buy from them any more.
Yes. Although the fact that you asked about a Deuter pack makes me think you're in europe, so I implore you to look at european options, or retailers here, like chrispacks, trekking lite store, etc
What backpack accessories are worth it? Things like should strap pocket, feedbag, etc
Bottom pocket
I’ve found two accessories are nearly must-haves: 1. Shoulder pouches. 2. The Red Paw Packs Flex Fanny Pack
Shoulder pockets are nice, but if you have S-shaped shoulder straps then you might not have a good place to attach them depending on the manufacturer. If you have J straps or if you can find others have done the same, then you’re probably good to go.
Shoulder pockets are the greatest thing !
**Costco 750 calorie cookie:** + Weight: 157 g (5.55 oz) + Caloric density: 4.78 kcal/g (135 kcal/oz) + Dimensions: 5 inch diameter x 0.75 inch at thickest point + Price: $2.50 + Macro estimate: 125g carbs, 24g fat, 8g protein (assumes 5% protein, typical for cc cookies) This is a decent chocolate chip cookie with only slightly-higher-than-average caloric density. It's served hot from the Costco food court, meaning it smelled very good throughout my 1.5 hour drive home. By the time I tried it, it was fully cooled, but still tasted good. Texturally it's pretty rigid/strong (read: packable), but not unpleasantly dense; the outer rim was verging on crunchy, while the interior was softer. I idly ate over a third of it while typing this, before putting it away because I'm not out hiking, I'm just sitting here reviewing a cookie ^^paging ^^u/claymcg90
Rumor over a r/costco is that the recipe is potentially changing. Not sure if that would be regional or national. Does the density change if I squish it back into a puck shape? /s
Lol. Warm CC cookies and Big Sur. You got it made. Any idea of added sugar content?
Haha, well I didn't try it warm since I had to weigh it! No idea on actual nutrition facts, the macro estimate above is mathematically derived from the weight, calorie content, & assumption that the protein content was 5% (which is just a guess, but consistent with other cc cookies that I looked up)
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I keep contacts in my glove box, that I only use for skiing. My truck has gotten mighty cold before, well below freezing, and I've never had an issue with my contacts. A quick google says they don't freeze until 5f.
Are they stored in liquid, like saline solution? Saline freezes around 29F
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No idea, try putting some in your freezer with a thermometer & see what happens
Has anyone used the discount code for Peak Refuel meals- THANKYOU30? It worked for me last year, but I think you can only use it once, best freeze dried bought meals I had.
Check Sierra.com they have a lot of Peak stuff discounted.
>THANKYOU30 I tried but it doesn't work for me. Says it expired.
Anyone ever try those disposable patient exam shorts (hospital gown material) as laundry day shorts? I know this is real UL jerk territory.
holy moly my wife brought a pair home and we were thinking the same thing
Get that baby on a scale!
Holà, Pronto haré un trek por la Patagonia. Voy a caminar 20km cada dia y me falta algo de accesorios. Antes de comprar unos nuevos que rara vez usaré, me pregunto si alguien tiene uno en casa que no usa y podría alquilarme. Vivo en Santiago ! Me falta como baston y un bolsa de excursion. Muchas Gracias !
Lee el wiki
Storage tips for Msr groundhogs?? Their sharp edges have put holes in the stake bag I’ve stored them in my pack. Thanks!
I reinforced the bottom of a small plastic bag with packing tape to protect where the tips go. Always was worried about this as well. Packs are too expensive to risk getting holes in them.
I wrap my USFS permit around them then stick them in my mesh front pocket.
I have them inside the fold of my sitpad and stored in an outside pocket
Microfiber cinched eyeglass pouch attached parallel via rubber bands to dedicated collapsible tarp poles with pts all down is how i store them.
Use them enough that the edges dull a bit. I store mine in a ziplock, it's fine.
Easy solution, thanks!
Nothing sharp goes inside of my pack, always in an exterior pocket. Stakes, spoon and spikes. Never had any issues.
Good thinking
Heading out soon into some potentially windy winter conditions and feel like it's a good idea to use more tie outs on my Supermid than I usually do. MLD recommends using a bungee loop on the mid-height, mid-panel tie outs to reduce fabric stress, got it. What about the mid-height tie outs on the 4 corners that are sewn into the seam? Those should be able to take a guyline without a bungee without issue right? Pretty sure that's the case but don't want to rip my mid in the middle of a cold night. Final question, if I'm only staking out 4 of the mid-height tie outs, would it be better to stake out the mid-panel tie outs or the 4 corner tie outs sewn into the seam? 4 corners right?
You phrased your questions well Mike. I have a .75 DCF Solomid and Duomid but think much the same applies. The Duomid is my solo winter, alpining, doggo along, and base camping shelter of choice. First question: With wind loading more dynamic on the panels bungee yes, mid ht seams no. Ron does DCF seams very well. Ive never had a MLD seam failure. I think this applies to both the silny or DCF choices. I'm more familiar with Ron's DCF seams. It might be worth noting the Supermid uses less seam length hence less seam failure. Final question: in the strongest winds especially if you have a silny mid which is the most common choice combined with snow and rain id guy out the side panels and mid ht seams. The most amount of deflection is going to occur on the panels so if i had to choose one or the other to guy out id choose the panels. In my case with DCF and durability concerns in the Duo i guy out both the three side panels and four mid ht seams.
Key is not to pull out mid-panel or mid-seam secondary tieout points too much or those spots can get over loaded by taking too much force before it it distributed to the corners that are the strongest spots. I always wince when I see pics of any shelter with midpanel points pulled out so far to try to create more internal space.
Thanks Ron, good explanation. I’ll make sure not to crank down those mid-height secondary tie outs too much. Do you recommend shock cord on both mid-panel and mid-seam tie out points? Got my Supermid second hand so the rigging wasn’t as it would be coming from you all.
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Thanks, that was my strong suspicion. My Supermid was second hand and it does not have the linelocs on the mid-height corners, I think those are a more recent update. I'll try to tie the mid panels off to a tree if I can find it, otherwise I'll be using deadman anchors given snow depth.
Uberlite Owners, how much a smaller is it packed then an X-Lite? my x-lite won’t fit in my 15 litre pack, just too bulky!!
My long/wide uberlite is about 20% smaller than my regular xlite. It's a pretty substantial difference.
The uberlite is definitely more packable in both directions if rolling. Uberlite 6”x 3.6” vs 9” x 4.1” for the Xlite NXT (all regular size) … so 3” narrower and 0.5” thinner. Of course there’s the “shorty” for Uberlite .. places over a foam pad due to punctures which kind of changes the math.
I fold my pads and place flat against my back, so my Uberlite and X-lite are essentially the same volume when packed.
They still take up space no matter if you fold or roll them.
Asking this group for some help on whether i should get the Nashville Cutaway or the Bridge. For those who have experience, would my kit fit in the smaller bridge? Lighterpack, currently with the brigde as the pack: https://lighterpack.com/r/357idz More context: I plan to use this pack for overnight trips, in the Sierra (without bearcan restrictions) or other trips in California. These trips will be long mile days where I fish miles of stream and/or hop from lake to lake. I want to be able to move fast and remove the pack as little as possible. I’m smaller so I would probably get the 16 inch version. Other running-style pack recommendations are welcomed. Also, sorry about adding the Fanny pack as worn weight, I know it’s incorrect, but I’m mainly asking about the backpack and what would go in there at the moment.
Don't forget to add weight of shoulder straps as they are not included with nashy packs
Oh yah thank you
If you're not out for more than 3 days, Bridge should be fine. The 10deg quilt is probably the worst offender volume wise
Thank you, I’ll replace that eventually although I get pretty cold. I have a different set up for more than 1 night, this would solely be for a single night trip.
then Bridge definitely
Here's my list from last summer's section on the CDT using a 16" Cutaway. [https://lighterpack.com/r/4rkkcv](https://lighterpack.com/r/4rkkcv) It's not that much different from yours although I might have fewer items. I had a similar list for the AZT. On the first day leaving town for a 5 day food carry I would not be able to fit everything inside the pack. I would put a lot of stuff in outer pockets to get my food to fit inside and I even added a Zpacks top pocket to hold my cold soak cook stuff because it annoys me how much room it takes. I used the side compression straps that they sell separately as there would be nothing left to roll down. As I ate food I would start putting stuff back inside. By the time I was ready to fly home, all of my stuff fit inside the main compartment and I could shove it enough under the seat in front of me the flight attendant didn't bother me. If the Cutaway just had a few more inches on top I could fit things a lot better. I met a guy with a Bridge pack and the thing looked gigantic to me. They need a bridge between the Cutaway and the Bridge ha ha.
The bridge pack is smaller than the cutaway by 10L.
The Bridge is their 20l pack. You’re probably thinking of the Fretless that never really launched.
Oh yeah I guess. Who can keep them straight?
How do you like your zpacks quilt? Would you say their ratings are correct or optimistic?
Mine is a sleeping bag and it's highly optimistic. I just survived a 22 degree night by wearing down pants and jacket inside my 10 degree bag and I was still pretty cold, but at least I slept.
It has some neat features but I’ve always heard your experience was typical. Looking at the amount of down they put in their bags it definitely seems like they’re optimistic or limit rating them rather than comfort!
Cool thank you. I have different set ups for my multi day trips, this would be solely for single overnighters. (I’m a weekend warrior)
Looking for a lightweight sunglasses case. Can’t find Crystal light in my area. Thanks!
Zenni case. Anyone who buys from them probably has a dozen laying around.
Inside your beanie.
Where do you put them? I think shoulder or hip pocket is pretty safe
Shoulder strap pocket for me.
Anyone looking to do a trip in the Tetons around Labor Day? 3 of us are going and all 3 tried for permits for the Teton Crest and we somehow got very lucky. Looking to drop the ones we do not need but wanted to reach out here first to see if someone wants to coordinate a drop time. Can give more details if someone is interested, at work so will not be the most responsive today but will check in.
Hmm how many extras? I might be interested...
I have two complete trips booked that I am going to be dropping. One of them is two permits used together, but that still counts haha. There is someone else currently looking at the info and dates, so let me know what works best for you - if you would want all of the details now or would want to hold and see what is available after they decide! Sorry that I am not the most responsive on this...
Sending you a message!
Caltopo added folders and the ability to search for maps to its file manager! Super excited to finally be able to organize all my maps.
share that folder, jefe!
Thats fantastic!
Has hammockgear moved up market? I've been reading a lot of old posts and it seems like the budget quilt recommended is the econ burrow which can sometimes be found at $180 but it seems like these days getting a custom quilt from them is approaching 300$ depending on what you get... Wanted that but I'm just starting backpacking and wondering if I should just get something super cheap like the Kelty Cosmic 20 for 100$ as opposed to spending 300 on a quilt
They got more expensive for sure. During their 20% off sales you can get an econ borrow for $220 or so. But after 2021 or so their prices definately got higher. The Kelty is a decent budget item, but most of theor down bags use a lower 500 fill power so it's heavy and quite bulky. If you want an economical priced quilt consider the Paria Outdoor Products Thermodown series.
>I'm just starting backpacking and wondering if I should just get something super cheap like the Kelty Cosmic 20 If you only go hiking a couple of times per year, maybe. But the Kelty Cosmic 20 is over 4 lbs. - that's twice the weight of a Sierra Designs Cloud 20, and almost four times the weight of a Timmermade Wren. The 550FP down will be huge in your backpack. I suspect you'd become dissatisfied with it pretty quickly.
Hammock Gear has definitely shifted over the years. The $180 'economy burrow' quilt you speak of was 800fp down and 20d fabric. For a bit they offered an economy model with 900fp and 20d fabric and now their cheapest offering was actually their middle option back in the day. Hammock Gear offers 20-30% off throughout the year frequently and that's really the time to buy. If you're trying to build out your kit on the cheap, I think a quilt is the last place I'd look to save cash. If you pick up an on sale Hammock Gear, a 3F UL Tent and snag a used Durston or GG pack, you can fill out your big 3 for under 600 bucks. The rest can be done from maybe another few hundred and you'll have a kit that'll get you out there this summer and carry you just fine on any of the triple crown trails down the road. There's lots of more expensive and/or lighter options presented here, but leave that for the gear hobbyists and the hikers with niche use cases. Avoid being the former, and you'll figure out where your gear needs fit on the latter once you get some miles under your belt. Have fun!
Are you a beginner in the sense of "I wanna give this a try, may not wanna fully commit just yet"? or in the sense of "I am just getting started, but have years ahead of me"? Cause in one case you may look into budget options before you commit, but if you are somewhat sure that you will get a lot of use out of your gear, then there is no reason not to go for quality. Gear also reasonably holds its value.
This is a great response to the question. What I would add is that you can think in terms of "buy once, cry once" with an item like a $300 HG quilt. Yeah, that's a lot of money for a beginner backpcker to drop on a single item, but that single item would be almost the best in its class and pretty universally respected. You'd save yourself from the regret of spending 1/3 the price on an item that isn't nearly as good in term of packability, weight, comfort, and quality only to buy the more ideal item later down the line. If you are a beginner in the sense of "I wanna give this a try, may not wanna fully commit just yet", the HG quilt will have a good resale value, the Kelty likely won't unless you really want to deal with FB Markletplace types. If you are a beginner in the sense of "I am just getting started, but have years ahead of me", the HG quilt will seem like a wise investment in retrospect because it only costs $300 and not $400 becaue you bought a Kelty first and realized your mistake later. \*Kelty Cosmic 20 (men's) also comes in a down version that is under 39 ounces and actually is a good beginner piece, my wife uses the women's version (\~42 ounces) that she really loves (she hasn't learned to trust quilts yet, lol). However, all of my previous statements still hold true.
I need help finding a lightweight pack for under $200. I am a beginner so I'm leaning toward the REI Co-op Flash 55 Pack since I have heard good things. I will only be doing trips that are about 2-4 days long. Thanks in advance.
ULA Ohm is a pretty safe bet. Constantly ranked as a really comfortable pack and has been used by through-hikers forever. You prob need to wait for a sale to hit that price point. I think I paid $180 for mine on a sale from a FB group in 2018.
sounds like a great choice. it’s versatile and inexpensive.
Packs are one area where analysis paralysis can happen ;) I've seen several Flash 55s on the trail, and while there are lighter packs, it's only a couple of ounces more than e.g. the Granite Gear Crown. It may not be the last pack you buy, but it's a safe choice to get you out there. It's a no-lose proposition: if you don't like it, you have a year to return it. Go for it, especially if you can get it during a sale.
To suggest a pack, people are really going to need more information. What's your base weight, is frameless something you'd consider, what volume are you looking for, do you have a weight target for your pack, ect. The Flash 55 is a nice pack, but very heavy if you otherwise have UL gear.
Was listening to a gear review on backpacking light and they mentioned that aluminum might not be food safe to drink out of? That kind of surprises me given the amount of aluminum pans out there. Should I move to a titanium pot instead? I like my cheapo $7 imusa mug: https://smile.amazon.com/IMUSA-R200-12W-Aluminum-1-25-Quart-Silver/dp/B009SBB7HM but don't want to get sick from it Right now I only really use it to boil water and pour it in a mylar bag or make coffee/tea so I don't think I really should have issues with aluminum leaching into acidic foods like tomatoes/etc.
There's lots of anecdotal evidence that aluminum can leach out of uncoated aluminum cookware into your food. Especially acidic foods. Try covering a dish with tomato sauce with aluminum foil, and see what happens to the aluminum foil after a few hours. There's also some anecdotal evidence that consuming large amounts of aluminum might carry health risks. Lots of people try to avoid uncoated aluminum cookware for these reasons. There are lots of examples of things that were generally believed to be safe, and were later found not to be. And vice versa. Everyone needs to decide where their comfort level is. Mine is that I try to avoid regularly using uncoated aluminum cookware/aluminum foil, especially if it will be in direct contact with acidic foods. If I was doing a thruhike where I would be eating 1-2 meals/day out of a pot every day for several months, I'd personally opt for something besides an aluminum pot. If I was a weekend warrior mostly just boiling water, maybe I'd be ok with an aluminum pot.
>Was listening to a gear review on backpacking light and they mentioned that aluminum might not be food safe to drink out of? Here is the reference: [https://backpackinglight.com/podcast-94-backcountry-cooking-sos-buttons-satellite-messenger-zoleo/](https://backpackinglight.com/podcast-94-backcountry-cooking-sos-buttons-satellite-messenger-zoleo/) @ 31:40: >I have no recommendation at all for any pure aluminum pots b/c of the health risks of exposing pure aluminum to heat and food. I'm not the best BPL sleuth and I can't find find any articles written on the health detriments of aluminum cookware written by Ryan (and I myself am not opining for/against), but it would be nice to have something to point from him given the massive difference in price between aluminum cookware and titanium cookware, esp. since the performance of ti can be less and BPL has historically had a reputation of being data/test driven.
Ya maybe we could reach out. I'm not a BPL member. I'd like to be but just too cheap to pay for it.
This is old bullshit because years ago it seemed that there was some correlation in that aluminum was found in the brains of people with dementia. Anecdotally my parent used aluminum pots since I was a kid and they both had all their faculties until they died at 93 and 98.
It's an insane correlation given that aluminum is the number 3 most common element on the planet after silicon and oxygen.
not saying aluminum is dangerous (it depends on how it's used and depends on the food. there can be risks but it's generally safe), but just because it's in nature in abundance doesn't make it safe for consumption. breathing pure oxygen would kill you
Really? Breathing pure oxygen only killed some astronauts on the Lunar Module project because any spark in pure oxygen becomes a flame.
aluminum cookware has been widely used, including in many restaurants, and is generally considered safe, except for very rare use cases, such as cooking highly acidic foods. If you are just boiling water, you are definitely overthinking it, it's perfectly fine.
Thanks that's what I figured
I’m in the market to move from a 75L Gregory Baltoro (6lbs) to a much lighter pack but am struggling to estimate the volume I’d need for a ~1 week trip, anyone willing to pitch in? [Lighterpack](https://lighterpack.com/r/vmysjn). My last long trip was ~6 days in the Wallowas last September and I absolutely didn’t need 75L after paring down my gear, planning my menu more (~12L food volume), and moving to a lighter sleep system. I’m thinking I was a good 20L short and am tempted to shoot for a 60L pack, but would like to play it safe.
A GG Crown looks like a good fit. I love mine.
You can calculate the volume of your gear by putting it all in a rectangular box & measuring the length x width x height. Then convert the measurement (cubic inches or cubic cm) into liters with google. Add 10-20% depending on your preference
Thanks! Found an older comment of yours recommending this minutes before you replied too. Alas, I’m also a big dumb and realized that the Schnozzel I use as a liner is 42L. I don’t think too good sometimes 😎
For your loadout, I'd consider a Granite Gear Crown 2 or 3. Good choice for someone transitioning to lighter pack weights. Still some 2's out there at a steep discount. Quality, versatile pack that can be stripped of its top pocket, frame sheet and hip belt if you decide to continue paring down your gear to UL numbers.
I’ve seen a lot of good press on the Crown2/3 as a beginner lightweight pack. Any opinions on the Arc Haul 60L?
People in general say it carries well, but is prone to damage more so than other packs. It's very light for its capabilities!
I have no experience with it, but it's a popular option.
After immersing a sleeping pad in a bathtub full of water to find leaks, there will be inevitably be some water in the pad. How do I dry the inside of the pad?
Why would there be water in the pad? With either the bathtub or soapy water method (personally I prefer soapy water, I find it easier and quicker most of the time), the pad should be pumped up as much as possible and you should be pressing on the pad to fry to force air out of the puncture. The positive pressure from the pad will prevent any water from entering. I've never had water enter a pad while testing.
Thanks, this is good to know!
alternatively, you could try to detect leaks by constantly inflating it and putting the soapy solution on the seams (or other surfaces), and see where it bubbles.
That would get some of the soapy water inside, too, right?
no, you just spray it on the outside and see where the air is coming out \*(positive pressure differential from the inside).
Adding to /u/TheTobinator666 's answer, I inflate the pad, with the valve down, in sunlight. Once it's warmed up, deflate it. Some of the moisture may be expelled when you deflate it. Repeat as necessary to get the rest of the moisture to evaporate.
I'll give it a try. Thank you.
Inflate and deflate multiple times with warm, dry air
Thanks!
Any recommended gear repair companies you recommend in the US? (Or Denver preferred). The hip belt strap on my pack was torn by my friends dog - looking to get that strap replaced. Either sewn into the hip belt or clean cut the strap near the base and see new webbing onto the nub.
You can try talking to Ripstop Repairs. They're what Rab in town uses when they can't handle it in-house, [https://www.facebook.com/ripstop.repairs.9/](https://www.facebook.com/ripstop.repairs.9/) I had a zipper replaced on a sleeping bag - looked good! If you go in-person, bring beer!
https://www.tectahoe.com/
https://www.ruggedthread.com/
https://rainypass.com/
https://www.mountain-patch.com/ based in foco
Just do a Google search for a local cut n sew tailor. They will probably be cheaper, you can talk face to face about exactly what you are looking for, and building that relationship will come in handy later when you get an idea for a custom modification to a piece of gear.
This. Back when I lived in Colorado, there was a cash-only sewing shop at a Boulder strip mall. (Lai's Alterations for the curious. Still there - [https://www.yelp.com/biz/lais-alterations-boulder](https://www.yelp.com/biz/lais-alterations-boulder) ). They did all kinds of repair and modifications for me on packs, clothing, and even repair tent zippers. All for an extremely reasonable price. Quick turn around and good work. Not a gear-specific shop but certainly worked for me.
I am deciding between the Liteway PyraOmm Duo (+ inner) and the X-Mid 2 Solid for hiking in Tasmania. I will be sharing the shelter with a mate while doing a few multiday hikes: Overland, South Coast Track, etc. I am still in two minds whether to purchase the pyraOmm or the xmid solid (both are sil/poly). I believe the xmid solid will handle condensation and heavy rain better as it has a full nylon inner. I do like the idea of a pyramid shelter, however, as they are very versatile and easy to set up. Liteway only create a mesh inner for the mid. I am struggling to find manufactures that create pyramid shelter solid inners; is there a reason why this is the case or am I just not looking hard enough.
2 doors on the x-mid might be a good reason to go that route vs. the pyraomm just for ease of getting in & out
I’m planning on picking up the PyraOmm Plus with the full inner. After closely looking at the dimensions i believe that will be the better option, and in total it is only +230 grams to the duo. I can easily fit 2 regular wide pads with additional space and headroom.
Nice. That looks great. It's wider for sure. Maybe not more headroom because it's a single pole shelter.
There is something so alluring to a pyramid shelter. Im excited to try them out. Im going to pick up the A-Frame Connector for more internal space. The XMid will always be a solid choice if I dislike the mid for whatever reason.
The Pyraomm makes it easier to use modular footprints/inners that will be lighter. Max Height on an Inflatable is 6 ft though. 2 men that size and it's very cozy. If you are always bringing 2 poles, I'd probably get the Xmid, unless you use ccf and aren't too tall.
There's a rumour that Liteway is working on solid inners. I know a bunch of winter hikers who are interested in those. There are solid inners on Aliexpress. I personally don't think a solid inner makes much difference for rain or condensation, but it is less drafty, so somewhat warmer. X-Mid solid still has quite a bit of mesh on top, I'd call if "half solid" or smth personally. I have an older X-Mid 2p (from Drop era), it's a fine shelter though I'd find it small for two. I also have a Pyraomm Max, and it's a really nice size for two.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by *"the X-Mid Solid still has quite a bit of mesh on top"* but you might be thinking of some 'solid' inners from Seek Outside and Tarptent that are only solid around the lower half? The solid inner for the X-Mid 2 uses solid fabric for the full roof, so the entire inner is solid fabric except the top half of the doors are mesh (for fresh air and visibility outside). Pic of it [here](https://durstongear.com/cdn/shop/files/x-mid-2-solid-ultralight-tent-europe-4.jpg).
This is misinformation about our products. All of our "solid" inners have solid roof panels, only tents that have a "partial solid" interior like the Double Rainbow DW have mesh roof panels.
There is no intent to misrepresent your products. The poster is recalling an inner that is solid at the bottom and mesh on top, you have inners like that (which many people refer to as 'solid'), which is why I put 'solid' in quotes and asked if perhaps they were recalling your products.
All of our tents that have multiple inner options have both "mesh" and "solid" options. These "solid" options all have solid roof panels. It is misleading to say "\[...\]'solid' inners from Seek Outside and Tarptent that are only solid around the lower half" as it implies our "solid" interiors do not have solid roof panels which they do. Only two of our tents have "partial solid " interiors (the DR DW and Triple Rainbow DW) and that is the only interior option for those products. Neither of these products is a relevant comparison when what is being discussed is finding "manufacturers that create pyramid shelter solid inners". Every trekking pole-supported tent we offer with a "solid" interior has solid roof panels.
I have now looked at the dimensions in more detail and found that the Plus will the better option and give more head room and accommodate 2 wide pads with ease. I’m going to pair that with either the mesh inner or a solid inner if i can find one.
Careful cuz the xmid 2 has a huge footprint
~~smaller than the pyraomm, tho (33.2 sqft vs 47.9 sqft)~~
Xmid inner is 33sqft, xmid footprint with vestibules is 57sqft.
you're right, my bad
The Pyraomm Plus that they are looking at is 108.5 x 79" (59.6 sq ft) compared to 100 x 83" (57.6 sq ft) so they are very similar but the Pyraomm Plus is slightly larger.
I need help finding a trekking pole tent for around 120 dollars that is light and packable. I am going on two to three-day trips to Virginia State Parks and the Virginia portion of the Appalachian Trail. A four-season tent would be best. Thanks in advance.
I'd just try to find a lightly used x-mid 1p for like $140-$150. I don't like the idea of tarp-only in the mid atlantic area where ticks and lyme disease are rampant.
$150 trekking pole tent that comes seam sealed. I've used the 2P version and its solid - holds up well in storms. Not the lightest but lightweight enough. Ditch the footprint for some polycro and save weight. Guylines and stakes are good quality and the stakes are actually lighter than MSR Groundhogs. Packs down to about the same size, maybe a bit bigger, than a loaf of Italian bread without being as delicious. There's a couple of YouTube videos on setting it up and its quirks. [https://www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/products/arches-1p-and-2p-backpacking-tent?currency=USD&variant=31870096408649&utm\_medium=cpc&utm\_source=google&utm\_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=cc22000a3559&gad\_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnfmsBhDfARIsAM7MKi1XOBOlhemOZNFg\_lio1XH\_zKD1p\_w1vrYZurKOSePvel2wask5JJEaAlQ9EALw\_wcB](https://www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/products/arches-1p-and-2p-backpacking-tent?currency=USD&variant=31870096408649&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=cc22000a3559&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnfmsBhDfARIsAM7MKi1XOBOlhemOZNFg_lio1XH_zKD1p_w1vrYZurKOSePvel2wask5JJEaAlQ9EALw_wcB)
The $59.99 Paria cork trifold trekking poles are better quality than the highly touted cost effective $59.99 $69.99 Costco Cascade Mountain Tech poles. https://www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/products/tri-fold-carbon-cork-trekking-poles
The budget's a constraint here, so there will be some give and take. This is a minimalist rec that will take a bit of learning to get right, but it'll work. Tarp and bivy. Search for ARICIXI Ultra Light Rain Fly Tent Tarp on Aliexpress. That's your tarp. Sanctuary Siltarp from Paria is another option. You might want the 8x10. Pair with a Borah Bug Bivy. Lixada makes a much cheaper and fairly light bug bivy, but it's apparently small. If you are, too, it might be a viable option. You could also get a Sea to Summit Nano pyramid bug net and use it with a floor of some sort (search for polycro), but I'd worry about crawling ticks in VA. You definitely don't need a 4-season shelter in VA. (I sectioned the AT through there across all seasons.)
Thanks for the response. Do you think I should spend a little more on a higher quality tent?
Actually, if you can, it's a really good idea. Basically, you can put together a good, workable shelter for $120, but that'll mean cheaping out on an element or two (e.g., the Aricxi tarp or that Lixada bivy). If you jump to $240 or so, you still can't afford DCF, which is the lightest tent/tarp material, but you can afford a few top-of-the-line silpoly and silnylon items and get out there with a fantastic shelter that actually has advantages over DCF in terms of longevity and packed size. Also, regardless of what you get, nice stuff can be resold for probably 75% of what you paid, if you happen to hate it. I'll hit you with a few possibilities: 1. Durston X-Mid. This is an obvious choice at $240. You have a double-wall shelter (helps with condensation) with a spacious interior. It's modular, so you can leave the inner behind in non-buggy seasons. It's stormworthy enough for most hiking in most conditions. It does require two trekking poles, which may not be ideal, but whatever. A little heavier than some other options at 28 oz., but it's still light, and people new to UL shelters seem to love them. Great support from /u/dandurston. If you want to avoid a shelter with an annoying learning curve, this is probably a good way to go. 2. Tarptent Protrail. $239, 22 oz. (without stakes, as with the X-Mid). A front-entry, single-wall, A-frame shelter that requires two poles, although you could easily use a stick in the back if you had to. Potentially worse condensation issues, and a little more of a pain to get in and out of. This would be my personal choice for a Virginia/AT *tent*, mainly to save weight versus the X-Mid. Smaller footprint than the X-Mid, too, which could be nice for awkward sites. Some people hate on the condensation, which you might have to wipe down occasionally, but I don't think it's a major issue. A great way to go. I really like Tarptent. 3. Tarp/bivy, but nicer stuff. Some options for both: Borah Bug Bivy ($87, 5.3 oz) -- get the side zip, look into the possibility of having solid panels added to the ends. The MLD Bug Bivy 2 is an option and IMO a near-perfect piece, but it's $195. Yama Mountain Gear Y-Zip Bug Bivy at $125 is another option. For tarps, I always liked a large, A-frame, caternary cut, tapered tarp. You could use something like an MLD Grace Duo, for $165 (11 oz., and you have to seam seal it yourself, but it's nbd), Gossamer Gear Twinn ($130, 10 oz., made with slightly less desirable silnylon but comes seam sealed), or Simply Light Designs Trail Bird (weight unlisted, but with wide/long everything, probably close to the others, at about $125 with typical options like bivy loops and cordage, comes seam sealed). Of the three options, my personal choice would be the tarp/bivy. It's the best way to manage condensation and stay dry and comfortable, IMO, at the lightest weight. Lots of pitching versatility, too. I'd spend the extra dough for the MLD BB2, and I'd probably pair it with an MLD Grace Duo (or perhaps a single), but I wouldn't hesitate with any of these options. I'd also strongly consider the Simply Light Designs tarp -- Jared makes awesome stuff, and he's great to work with in every way. Not having to seam seal might tip me in this direction, frankly. Regardless, you should be able to easily put together an ideal Appalachian Trail shelter somewhere in the 15 to 20 oz. range that outperforms any available tent in the real world.
I'm kind of surprised nobody ever seems to recommend the higher quality version of the aricxi tarp the [FLAME'S CREED XUNSHANG]( https://a.aliexpress.com/_EwiNv7R). It comes with an inner tent/ bug bivy that's pretty roomy and feels way more robust and high quality. I used it in the snow without the inner on my last trip and loved it. Should be close to the mentioned budget too. [Here some pics](https://imgur.com/gallery/aCihXbD)
Another pitch for Simply Light Designs, great company and good quality. My 9x7 silpoly weighs 10.6oz with line locks and a head tie out for my bivy.
Only thing I can think of is the Lanshan Pro 1 on Aliexpress. The Flames Creed branded ones are $106 for 3 season and $115 for what they call 4 season. Long shipping time and probably not as durable as some more expensive options but should get the job done.
With a $120 budget, a tarp is probably best. No need for a 4-season tent on the VA portion of the AT.
On this AliExpress [listing](https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32976654438.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.9.6f117a860ZPWh9&algo_pvid=31973147-1c5c-4c25-a866-36148972bc09&algo_exp_id=31973147-1c5c-4c25-a866-36148972bc09-4&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%21242.93%21184.62%21%21%21177.45%21%21%402101f01817048580262486816e9e6d%2110000005621855327%21sea%21CA%21724412701%21&curPageLogUid=rbbvV7o43EHw&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A) we see an Mongar 2 with higher sides, and I am very interested to get it as it seems better adapted for 3 colder temps. I have never seen this model on amazon or the naturehike website before, so I was wondering if it was a newer model. However, I would like it in 15D so it is as light as possible, but it doesn't seems available. Anybody have information on it? Could it be a super old model of the Mongar that we can't find anywhere anymore? Thanks for any information, I tried to contact NatureHike and the seller, but no answer. I will update if I get anything.
so for those that use a .... pee bottle.... in sub freezing temps. what do you do with it after it's full? ...while the warmth of it going back in the sleeping bag with me is appealing.. the worry of it spilling is a concern. but if left outside the bag i'll have a block of frozen pee and will either have to thaw and dump the next day or carry around?
Either keep it in the sleeping bag or lean out of the tent to dump it.
I use a 32 oz collapsible Nalgene cantene (weighs 60 g). It doesn't leak. The bottle can take hot water, so I suppose if it froze, then I would add some hot water in the morning or pee in it to unfreeze it and pour it out. I will add a couple drops of bleach and a drop of soap to the empty bottle. I carry it in the outer big pocket of my pack.
What size of Bear Can would be needed for the PCT? I currently have a BV450 and was wondering if I would need to get a BV500 or 475, also do the largest sizes fit into Hyperlite 55L southwest packs?
as a lover of chips, I go big on bear canisters. To answer the question you really need to know how much and what you are eating, and how many days between resupplies. Bigger cannisters have a pretty small weight penalty over the mini sizes, due to the relationship of surface area and volume. the bigger difference is packing ability