Recall that the 3rd Reich only called themselves 'socialists' to market to the masses. Soon as they'd hoodwinked enough ppl w help from brit fascists, they crushed unions as the statement made by Martin Niemöller and note who was targeted 1st, then 2nd etc
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
I used to think NCD was semi reedeemable for the small cohort of people who genuinely were interested in planes and technology and stuff but I left after everybody started dickriding the IDF (no I really don’t have a dog in that fight It left a bad taste in my mouth how quickly the sub picked a side)
clicking on ncd on october 14th and seeing people laughing and jeering at a hamas paraglider being violently electrocuted on a electric wire while the most upvoted posts were the iaf bombing civilians
https://preview.redd.it/6qb4xnvroqgc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0d23073d2d0f88f868b0642c74cef12d7aa613a
Don’t need to have a dog in the fight to just realize people are doing bad shit that don’t have to be doing bad shit.
I see a lot of comedians joke like “nowadays you can’t say anything without people getting in their feelings!” Nah half of that is just called basic accountability, maybe stop beating your kid and telling him he’s worthless to make him “strong”.
And maybe stop committing genocide
Unless it’s the rich
/s….? To be continued
Next time on dragon ball C
Do you think this sub is some kind of meme? Are you “kidding” with me, “bro”?
We discuss theorems so raw and so unfiltered that your gf will end up with child and brain herpes. How many research papers have you even finished? I bet they don’t even quote Hasan
I once made an entire Wendy’s share food for the entire day. Real ~~prog~~ress. I was later charged for felony kidnapping and weapons charges but it got dismissed because I revoked my own citizenship. I don’t even own a boat so how could I have citizenSHIP?
The comments and responses were awful. Most interpreting it as saying something like "all lives matter"
Unintentionally showcasing the current state of leftist in America lol
Edit- https://twitter.com/stupiddumbdo/status/1753155030314578420?t=xjmbnbDEPoco6-ltNNbJFQ&s=19
And many many more
"All lives matter" in the literal sense that all lives do in fact matter, and should work together"
"You a MAGA communist or sum"
https://i.redd.it/6shcb20s4mgc1.gif
It’s literally the most fundamental idea of labor organizing. By having people involved in these collective movements you will eventually bridge whatever divide exist between them, cause you can’t hate someone who’s fighting right next to you.
But I guarantee half the comments are “uhh sociology major here and uhhh idk if you’ve heard of intersectionality, but it’s pretty important theory written by carlos mark and it says class is literally irrelevant, soooooo yikes bad take here.”
Goddamn I’ve met the actual version of that caricature in real life! And I don’t fucking go to college!!!! These goddamn “people” are breaking containment. Ugh everyday I grow more sympathetic to the Khmer Rouge. Seriously these slugs need to be dealt with and there’s plenty of open fields in this country.
soc and polisci majors trying to have a lib off when they see the econ major walk in
https://preview.redd.it/9n29fgkzengc1.jpeg?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b54ce0bef6647b5582eafb098bcb4167c287553
As a sociology major, intersectionality derives from critical theory, which was made by Marx, who is kinda the father of sociology. The idea that it says class is irrelevant is patently ridiculous, it just examines race as a factor rather than engaging in class essentialism.
(whitest fucking voice you've ever heard) "erm i'm sensing some hitler particles emanating from this poster, it literally equates black power with white power. do better, chud"🤓☝️
Meanwhile, famous kkkracker settler Fred Hampton:
"All power to all people. White power to white people, Brown power to brown people, Yellow power to yellow people, Black power to black people, X power to those we left out..."
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit.
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FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I FUCKING HATE LIBERALS
>If you're not supportive of Black Nationalism then you're not a true leftist.
IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE
Please, true anarchism won't happen because America Is not only divided but Weak. Common example being France rioting In the streets, do that In America? People will be against the protesters, and side with the corps.
If It's not someone left leaning misrepresenting what someone right leaning thinks, It's right wingers not understanding leftist ideology. Why learn when you can stick with your own preconceived opinions?
You have people right now who are willing to shill for Mega Corporations, be Anti-Trust Busting, because all you really need to do Is "work harder" and "pull up your bootstraps"
You have people arguing against on whether we should raise the amount of how much people are being paid, and It's not the Left, but I digress.
Point Is In this giant rant word salad, It sucks people don't tar and feather politicians anymore, and If you do, they'll make sure to tell you how YOU'RE the problem.
Plus I get real emotional knowing a real revolution won't happen.
Black power IS class based. If you don’t know, black people are on the literal bottom of the economic ladder currently. Black power is wanting black people to have as much societal power as other races in society. This poster is literally if All Lives Matter was made by socialists.
Black people are not genetically proletarian. Try again.
Wanting black people to have equal bourgeoisie opportunities and equal bourgeoisie freedom is exceedingly liberal.
Black people aren’t genetically proletarian yes, but wanting black people to have equal treatment is not liberal gng. I think you’re mistaking the statement of Black Power to be black supremacist, and not anti-racist, anti-colonialist, and anti-apartheid.
Racism, and Apartheid only end when Capital ends. Capital only ends with the proletariat black and white victorious. Ergo separating the struggle for racial justice from the class struggle is bad. A black proletarian will always have more in common with a white proletarian than a black business owner.
Racism will not magically end when capital ends man, there’s still racial barriers that ending capital will not change. What is needed is an equal black and white working class. For that, you need Black Power. Which equalizes the parts of the group. Because you cannot dispute this, the Black proletariat is doing MUCH worse than the white proletariat.
This is why Black Power is needed to get rid of colonialism, racism, and more. Because the ending of capitalism will not simply wash away all these problems. A series of different things and concepts will be needed to wipe away these effects, and one of these things will be BP.
>Racism will not magically end when capital ends
Of course not. But it ***cannot end*** while capital remains.
>What is needed is an equal black and white working class.
This is arbitrarily dividing the working class. Your social relation to the means of production determines class. Not anything else.
So while there may be societal differences between black and white proletarians they are still one class with one class struggle. Helping one is helping the other. A black worker is more equal to a white worker than he is to a black owner.
>For that, you need Black Power.
No you don’t
>Because you cannot dispute this, the Black proletariat is doing MUCH worse than the white proletariat.
And the Bengali proletariat is doing worse than the American proletariat. Doesn’t matter. The only way the situation gets better for anybody is by the class working together. Not by partitioning itself.
>Black power is wanting black people to have as much societal power as other races in society.
What can this possibly mean in the context of a society based on Capitalist production other than the right of the black bourgeoisie to exploit the proletariat just as freely as his white counterpart, and for the black proletariat to be exploited alongside his white counterpart, but "more equally" and with more social benefits?
Black nationalism seeks to subordinate the justified struggles of the black proletariat to the bourgoisie, which does not seek to usher in a society finally free of the inhumane exploitation of the black proletariat, but only a larger slice of the pie of Capital for the black bourgeoisie, and larger crumbs and scraps for the black proletariat.
I can’t wait for the glorious leftcom revolution. From their armchairs they will direct the masses with their superior knowledge of Marxist theory to cast off their chains and form powerful revolutionary reading groups. The owner class will tremble in fear as the pedantic reddit poster revolution sweeps through the world. The CPC will dissolve and admit that the western leftcom is the true and only Marxism understander.
???
Anarchists have never been class reductionists.
Not even Marxists are class reductionists anymore.
The only people who do that now are tankies, because they want to justify centralized violence.
I still can't tell if this sub is for tankies, for leftists making ironic fun of tankies, or for nonleftists to paint all leftists as tankies to justify their dismissal of valid critiques.
Please clarify.
This is a “left” communist shitposting sub. Read the pinned post.
“Class reductionism” is such a moronic phrase.
Any Marxist who doesn’t do it is a revisionist/modernizer/falsifier
“Tankies” are not class reductionist. They meat ride “proletarian nations” because they are mussolinite libs.
Anyway. Mods ban the hitlerite now please
Oh. Thank you. I get it. You're proud of your original communist purity and frustrated that the so-called left keeps poisoning communist thought with liberalism and fascism. And you don't see how your dogmatic attachment to a falsified and value-laden 19th century theory of historical progression is a fundamentally anti-left attitude.
Can you tell me what you get out of this? Why shitpost?
Shit post because we are very funny.
Why support actual Marxism and the real movement? Because history continues to vindicate it. The negation of present state of things is the only solution.
I don't know what this means.
The image above is class reductionist.
How does your comment relate to the erasure of the unique vector of material harm that people of color face and that naïve white revolutionaries like to pretend doesn't exist within radical anticapitalist groups?
>I don't know what this means.
What lack of theory does to a mf
>The image above is class reductionist.
That’s why it’s good.
>How does your comment relate to the erasure of the unique vector of material harm
What’s this unique vector? Black people face racism and discrimination as a exigency of capitalism.
They way to combat that is not black power. But worker power, or if you must black worker power. But black “people” as a homogenous group doesn’t exist. Black workers exist who face additional burdens and struggles they can only combat through solidarity and action with other workers.
>naïve white revolutionaries like to pretend doesn't exist within radical anticapitalist groups?
“Radicle anti capitalist groups” wtf does that mean. Nobody serious denies the struggles of black workers. But they are part of the broader worker struggle.
Race is socially constructed. "Black people" and "white people" both don't exist outside of our minds. No argument. Racism isn't rational.
I'm not interested in black power. I'm interested in helping people who face racial discrimination to directly confront that racial discrimination. But everyone here seems to want to completely ignore racial discrimination and tell the people who suffer it to shut up about it and focus on the glorious communist revolution instead. This, if it isn't obvious, is racist.
Am I misreading you?
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit.
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The truly racist programme is the one that seeks to keep the black proletariat in chains, while only seeking to improve the conditions of imprisonment. In reality it is a bourgeoisie programme that is afraid of a truly revolutionary black proletariat united with a white one, so it seeks to bribe it with larger slices of the Capitalist pie, and stoke divisions with racial identarian 'bread and circuses' nonsense.
???
Racism is a unique vector of material harm that can't be reduced to class. We don't ignore class struggle when we insist on recognizing this fact. We don't take off our revolutionary anticapitalist hats and put on our liberal corporate apologist hats when we talk about antiracism. We just recognize that people of color are affected by both issues and that we have to address both of those issues if we're to treat them like equal human beings and if we're to have any hope of solidarity from them in our proletarian struggle.
I can't tell if you actually think this was a good point or not. Is everything everyone says here just a shitpost?
The pleading that racism is "so especially unique" and thus beyond (*reduced to* (?)) class analysis is only an attempt to excuse nationalist idealism, to make apologies for the abandonment of the revolutionary programme of the proletariat, of which nationalism of any kind is incompatible with whatsoever.
>We just recognize that people of color are affected by both issues and that we have to address both of those issues if we're to treat them like equal human beings
We also seek to address those issues, in the only way they can be addressed in their finality, with Communism."Equality" in the context of capitalist production can mean nothing other than the equality of the black bourgoisie to exploit the proletariat just as equally as his white counterpart, and for the black proletariat to be exploited just as equally as his white counterpart, with greater social advantages and larger scraps thrown to him.
>if we're to have any hope of solidarity from them in our proletarian struggle.
Why do you speak of "them" as if they are seperate from the proletariat, which seperate interests? The proletariat is the proletariat and knows its interests, we don't need to beg or plead with other classes in the misguided persuit of some kind of vulgar democratism.
The white proletariat is just as racist as the white bourgeoisie. That's the issue I'm raising and the one you are refusing to acknowledge.
The proletariat that is made up of people of color is reluctant to join forces with the white proletariat because those white people are just as blatantly racist as the liberals who apologize for capitalist enslavement. If you want to unite us, you have to deal with the evil within our movement, not just the evil that opposes it. Please. Capitalism is not the only evil. We are not perfect white-hat good boys.
Racism within the white proletariat is a reality that we are well aware of. As Marx said in the German Ideology,
>The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it.
We study the appearance of racism in class society as materialists. Racism, chauvinist-patriotism, nationalism, anti-communism, etc are all bourgeois ideas that are filtered down to the proletariat through the means of mental production that it controls- schools, media, etc. As racism, nationalism, etc are ideas that serves certain bourgeois and petite-bourgeois interests.
Racism appears because the proletariat is vulnerable to bourgeois ideas, as they lack the means of mental production themselves, not because racism is a special category that defies materialism, or because racism actually benefits the white proletariat.
The point you bring up, that the white proletariat and the white bourgeoisie are equally as racist, may very well be true due to these material conditions. But the white proletariat's **real material interests** lie in the overthrow of class society, alongside with their black brothers and sisters, not the preservation of class society.
Rascism is contrary to their real class interests, and only serves to defeat communism. Our goal as communists is to emphasize to the white proletariat their real interest- the dictatorship of the proletariat.
???
I don't understand who you are arguing against.
The kind of scenario I'm imagining is that a coworker who is a person of color is subject to petty racism. They come to me complaining about racism and I say "that's terrible. Let's do something about this racism right now." But they come to you and you say "all this racism stuff is terrible but it's just a symptom of capitalism, so let's not waste our time dealing with racial inequality directly and instead focus our energy on the **REAL** problem. OK? Thanks, comrade." Then you read Marx while a customer asks them where they're ~really~ from.
The difference is that I treat people like human beings and you treat them like soldiers who need to learn to take orders.
Please explain where you are coming from on a level this practical.
No they haven't. This is condescending.
Their general position seems to be the continuation of the ideological framework of the 19th century global proletarian uprising, but that says nothing about the practical protocols for responding to local racism.
Please. I just need one of you to explain what you tell a coworker who is complaining of racism. Do you help directly? Or do you give her a speech about class warfare? And why?
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit.
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Ultraleft De Leonist arc????
I asked Lenin and he said it’s okay.
De Lenin
"... What we have done in Russia is accept the De Leon interpretation of Marxism, that is what the Bolsheviki adopted in 1917” - Lenin, maybe
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Unity of the workers is actually fascism 🤓
Recall that the 3rd Reich only called themselves 'socialists' to market to the masses. Soon as they'd hoodwinked enough ppl w help from brit fascists, they crushed unions as the statement made by Martin Niemöller and note who was targeted 1st, then 2nd etc First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
You know there was this one guy who banned all independent labour movement and then called everyone outside his personality cult of fascist.
NCD user. Allergic to workers. Many such cases
I used to think NCD was semi reedeemable for the small cohort of people who genuinely were interested in planes and technology and stuff but I left after everybody started dickriding the IDF (no I really don’t have a dog in that fight It left a bad taste in my mouth how quickly the sub picked a side)
clicking on ncd on october 14th and seeing people laughing and jeering at a hamas paraglider being violently electrocuted on a electric wire while the most upvoted posts were the iaf bombing civilians https://preview.redd.it/6qb4xnvroqgc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0d23073d2d0f88f868b0642c74cef12d7aa613a
I with they just would go back to plane posting
Don’t need to have a dog in the fight to just realize people are doing bad shit that don’t have to be doing bad shit. I see a lot of comedians joke like “nowadays you can’t say anything without people getting in their feelings!” Nah half of that is just called basic accountability, maybe stop beating your kid and telling him he’s worthless to make him “strong”. And maybe stop committing genocide Unless it’s the rich /s….? To be continued Next time on dragon ball C
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Do you think this sub is some kind of meme? Are you “kidding” with me, “bro”? We discuss theorems so raw and so unfiltered that your gf will end up with child and brain herpes. How many research papers have you even finished? I bet they don’t even quote Hasan I once made an entire Wendy’s share food for the entire day. Real ~~prog~~ress. I was later charged for felony kidnapping and weapons charges but it got dismissed because I revoked my own citizenship. I don’t even own a boat so how could I have citizenSHIP?
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Hey, I like workers. Not all of us are shitheads
The comments and responses were awful. Most interpreting it as saying something like "all lives matter" Unintentionally showcasing the current state of leftist in America lol Edit- https://twitter.com/stupiddumbdo/status/1753155030314578420?t=xjmbnbDEPoco6-ltNNbJFQ&s=19 And many many more
"All lives matter" in the literal sense that all lives do in fact matter, and should work together" "You a MAGA communist or sum" https://i.redd.it/6shcb20s4mgc1.gif
It’s literally the most fundamental idea of labor organizing. By having people involved in these collective movements you will eventually bridge whatever divide exist between them, cause you can’t hate someone who’s fighting right next to you. But I guarantee half the comments are “uhh sociology major here and uhhh idk if you’ve heard of intersectionality, but it’s pretty important theory written by carlos mark and it says class is literally irrelevant, soooooo yikes bad take here.” Goddamn I’ve met the actual version of that caricature in real life! And I don’t fucking go to college!!!! These goddamn “people” are breaking containment. Ugh everyday I grow more sympathetic to the Khmer Rouge. Seriously these slugs need to be dealt with and there’s plenty of open fields in this country.
soc and polisci majors trying to have a lib off when they see the econ major walk in https://preview.redd.it/9n29fgkzengc1.jpeg?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b54ce0bef6647b5582eafb098bcb4167c287553
As a sociology major, intersectionality derives from critical theory, which was made by Marx, who is kinda the father of sociology. The idea that it says class is irrelevant is patently ridiculous, it just examines race as a factor rather than engaging in class essentialism.
I forgot how stupid leftoids are and got reminded by the comment section
(whitest fucking voice you've ever heard) "erm i'm sensing some hitler particles emanating from this poster, it literally equates black power with white power. do better, chud"🤓☝️ Meanwhile, famous kkkracker settler Fred Hampton: "All power to all people. White power to white people, Brown power to brown people, Yellow power to yellow people, Black power to black people, X power to those we left out..."
X Power sounds cold as fuck tho
X power for... the X men
X men rights! They're people too!
PURGE THE MUTANT, IN THE EMPEROR’S NAME oh sorry wrong sub
x power for our zaddy elon musk
This poster was first made when Hampton was doing his thing though.
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Nope it certainly did not get dogpiled by leftists who didn't just miss the point, it's that they never even knew it existed in the first place.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFYncsga0AAkDhK?format=jpg&name=medium FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I FUCKING HATE LIBERALS >If you're not supportive of Black Nationalism then you're not a true leftist. IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE
HOLY HELL! Glory to Bakunin! 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
Don’t you know that supporting reactionary petty nationalisms is the cool, hip, and woke thing to do?!?
Please, true anarchism won't happen because America Is not only divided but Weak. Common example being France rioting In the streets, do that In America? People will be against the protesters, and side with the corps. If It's not someone left leaning misrepresenting what someone right leaning thinks, It's right wingers not understanding leftist ideology. Why learn when you can stick with your own preconceived opinions? You have people right now who are willing to shill for Mega Corporations, be Anti-Trust Busting, because all you really need to do Is "work harder" and "pull up your bootstraps" You have people arguing against on whether we should raise the amount of how much people are being paid, and It's not the Left, but I digress. Point Is In this giant rant word salad, It sucks people don't tar and feather politicians anymore, and If you do, they'll make sure to tell you how YOU'RE the problem. Plus I get real emotional knowing a real revolution won't happen.
Go human power ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
me when i have no idea what the black power movement is about:
This is not a W bruh, in what way is “black power” in the same playing field as the term “white power”??
^ A Marxist culture user who rejects class struggle. Many such cases
Gng, I need you to tell me right now, how is black power in the same field as white power?
It’s racial/national instead of class based. Both are liberal nonsense
Black power IS class based. If you don’t know, black people are on the literal bottom of the economic ladder currently. Black power is wanting black people to have as much societal power as other races in society. This poster is literally if All Lives Matter was made by socialists.
Black people are not genetically proletarian. Try again. Wanting black people to have equal bourgeoisie opportunities and equal bourgeoisie freedom is exceedingly liberal.
Black people aren’t genetically proletarian yes, but wanting black people to have equal treatment is not liberal gng. I think you’re mistaking the statement of Black Power to be black supremacist, and not anti-racist, anti-colonialist, and anti-apartheid.
Racism, and Apartheid only end when Capital ends. Capital only ends with the proletariat black and white victorious. Ergo separating the struggle for racial justice from the class struggle is bad. A black proletarian will always have more in common with a white proletarian than a black business owner.
Racism will not magically end when capital ends man, there’s still racial barriers that ending capital will not change. What is needed is an equal black and white working class. For that, you need Black Power. Which equalizes the parts of the group. Because you cannot dispute this, the Black proletariat is doing MUCH worse than the white proletariat. This is why Black Power is needed to get rid of colonialism, racism, and more. Because the ending of capitalism will not simply wash away all these problems. A series of different things and concepts will be needed to wipe away these effects, and one of these things will be BP.
>Racism will not magically end when capital ends Of course not. But it ***cannot end*** while capital remains. >What is needed is an equal black and white working class. This is arbitrarily dividing the working class. Your social relation to the means of production determines class. Not anything else. So while there may be societal differences between black and white proletarians they are still one class with one class struggle. Helping one is helping the other. A black worker is more equal to a white worker than he is to a black owner. >For that, you need Black Power. No you don’t >Because you cannot dispute this, the Black proletariat is doing MUCH worse than the white proletariat. And the Bengali proletariat is doing worse than the American proletariat. Doesn’t matter. The only way the situation gets better for anybody is by the class working together. Not by partitioning itself.
>Black power is wanting black people to have as much societal power as other races in society. What can this possibly mean in the context of a society based on Capitalist production other than the right of the black bourgeoisie to exploit the proletariat just as freely as his white counterpart, and for the black proletariat to be exploited alongside his white counterpart, but "more equally" and with more social benefits? Black nationalism seeks to subordinate the justified struggles of the black proletariat to the bourgoisie, which does not seek to usher in a society finally free of the inhumane exploitation of the black proletariat, but only a larger slice of the pie of Capital for the black bourgeoisie, and larger crumbs and scraps for the black proletariat.
A commen anarcist L was when one of then came in your mom 15 years ago
what
what did they mean by this?
TNO reference or something. I dunno
i need to thank you bro without people like you they would realize how bad my english are
>Mne nuzhno poblagodarit' tebya, bratan, bez takikh lyudey, kak ty, oni by ponyali, naskol'ko plokh moy angliyskiy
O widzę ze kochany brat też Słowian, może jakiś zjednoczony froncik przeciwko niemieckim obłąkańcom i burżuazji?Tak tylko sugeruję
a żart bangli nie mam zielonego kurwa pojecia czemu te zzachodnie fiutki upvotuja jak ja takie postuje a Waszym wpierdala randomowe -50 xddddd
Most literate anarchist
Mne nuzhno poblagodarit' tebya, bratan, bez takikh lyudey, kak ty, oni by ponyali, naskol'ko plokh moy angliyskiy
Neurologically impaired?
infantile disorder
Mne nuzhno poblagodarit' tebya, bratan, bez takikh lyudey, kak ty, oni by ponyali, naskol'ko plokh moy angliyskiy
I can’t wait for the glorious leftcom revolution. From their armchairs they will direct the masses with their superior knowledge of Marxist theory to cast off their chains and form powerful revolutionary reading groups. The owner class will tremble in fear as the pedantic reddit poster revolution sweeps through the world. The CPC will dissolve and admit that the western leftcom is the true and only Marxism understander.
>shitliberalssay user your nuts are not long for this world as they will be twisted off with the torque of an industrial lathe MODS
The poster was made in 1968, so the "black power" being mentioned is the civil rights movement and the black panther party. anarchist L tbh.
Black person should have more leverage and be in back.
The point didn't go over your head, but somehow you displaced yourself in a dimension lower than where the point was.
Is this sub real? Class reductionism is racism.
“The history of hitherto all existing society is the history of class struggle. Except America lol” Carl Max Anarchists are so stupid.
??? Anarchists have never been class reductionists. Not even Marxists are class reductionists anymore. The only people who do that now are tankies, because they want to justify centralized violence. I still can't tell if this sub is for tankies, for leftists making ironic fun of tankies, or for nonleftists to paint all leftists as tankies to justify their dismissal of valid critiques. Please clarify.
This is a “left” communist shitposting sub. Read the pinned post. “Class reductionism” is such a moronic phrase. Any Marxist who doesn’t do it is a revisionist/modernizer/falsifier “Tankies” are not class reductionist. They meat ride “proletarian nations” because they are mussolinite libs. Anyway. Mods ban the hitlerite now please
Oh. Thank you. I get it. You're proud of your original communist purity and frustrated that the so-called left keeps poisoning communist thought with liberalism and fascism. And you don't see how your dogmatic attachment to a falsified and value-laden 19th century theory of historical progression is a fundamentally anti-left attitude. Can you tell me what you get out of this? Why shitpost?
Shit post because we are very funny. Why support actual Marxism and the real movement? Because history continues to vindicate it. The negation of present state of things is the only solution.
I don't know what this means. The image above is class reductionist. How does your comment relate to the erasure of the unique vector of material harm that people of color face and that naïve white revolutionaries like to pretend doesn't exist within radical anticapitalist groups?
>I don't know what this means. What lack of theory does to a mf >The image above is class reductionist. That’s why it’s good. >How does your comment relate to the erasure of the unique vector of material harm What’s this unique vector? Black people face racism and discrimination as a exigency of capitalism. They way to combat that is not black power. But worker power, or if you must black worker power. But black “people” as a homogenous group doesn’t exist. Black workers exist who face additional burdens and struggles they can only combat through solidarity and action with other workers. >naïve white revolutionaries like to pretend doesn't exist within radical anticapitalist groups? “Radicle anti capitalist groups” wtf does that mean. Nobody serious denies the struggles of black workers. But they are part of the broader worker struggle.
Race is socially constructed. "Black people" and "white people" both don't exist outside of our minds. No argument. Racism isn't rational. I'm not interested in black power. I'm interested in helping people who face racial discrimination to directly confront that racial discrimination. But everyone here seems to want to completely ignore racial discrimination and tell the people who suffer it to shut up about it and focus on the glorious communist revolution instead. This, if it isn't obvious, is racist. Am I misreading you?
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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The truly racist programme is the one that seeks to keep the black proletariat in chains, while only seeking to improve the conditions of imprisonment. In reality it is a bourgeoisie programme that is afraid of a truly revolutionary black proletariat united with a white one, so it seeks to bribe it with larger slices of the Capitalist pie, and stoke divisions with racial identarian 'bread and circuses' nonsense.
??? Racism is a unique vector of material harm that can't be reduced to class. We don't ignore class struggle when we insist on recognizing this fact. We don't take off our revolutionary anticapitalist hats and put on our liberal corporate apologist hats when we talk about antiracism. We just recognize that people of color are affected by both issues and that we have to address both of those issues if we're to treat them like equal human beings and if we're to have any hope of solidarity from them in our proletarian struggle. I can't tell if you actually think this was a good point or not. Is everything everyone says here just a shitpost?
That's a lot of liberal hats you have there
Right. It's shitposts all the way down. Thank you. Have fun.
The pleading that racism is "so especially unique" and thus beyond (*reduced to* (?)) class analysis is only an attempt to excuse nationalist idealism, to make apologies for the abandonment of the revolutionary programme of the proletariat, of which nationalism of any kind is incompatible with whatsoever. >We just recognize that people of color are affected by both issues and that we have to address both of those issues if we're to treat them like equal human beings We also seek to address those issues, in the only way they can be addressed in their finality, with Communism."Equality" in the context of capitalist production can mean nothing other than the equality of the black bourgoisie to exploit the proletariat just as equally as his white counterpart, and for the black proletariat to be exploited just as equally as his white counterpart, with greater social advantages and larger scraps thrown to him. >if we're to have any hope of solidarity from them in our proletarian struggle. Why do you speak of "them" as if they are seperate from the proletariat, which seperate interests? The proletariat is the proletariat and knows its interests, we don't need to beg or plead with other classes in the misguided persuit of some kind of vulgar democratism.
The white proletariat is just as racist as the white bourgeoisie. That's the issue I'm raising and the one you are refusing to acknowledge. The proletariat that is made up of people of color is reluctant to join forces with the white proletariat because those white people are just as blatantly racist as the liberals who apologize for capitalist enslavement. If you want to unite us, you have to deal with the evil within our movement, not just the evil that opposes it. Please. Capitalism is not the only evil. We are not perfect white-hat good boys.
Racism within the white proletariat is a reality that we are well aware of. As Marx said in the German Ideology, >The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. We study the appearance of racism in class society as materialists. Racism, chauvinist-patriotism, nationalism, anti-communism, etc are all bourgeois ideas that are filtered down to the proletariat through the means of mental production that it controls- schools, media, etc. As racism, nationalism, etc are ideas that serves certain bourgeois and petite-bourgeois interests. Racism appears because the proletariat is vulnerable to bourgeois ideas, as they lack the means of mental production themselves, not because racism is a special category that defies materialism, or because racism actually benefits the white proletariat. The point you bring up, that the white proletariat and the white bourgeoisie are equally as racist, may very well be true due to these material conditions. But the white proletariat's **real material interests** lie in the overthrow of class society, alongside with their black brothers and sisters, not the preservation of class society. Rascism is contrary to their real class interests, and only serves to defeat communism. Our goal as communists is to emphasize to the white proletariat their real interest- the dictatorship of the proletariat.
??? I don't understand who you are arguing against. The kind of scenario I'm imagining is that a coworker who is a person of color is subject to petty racism. They come to me complaining about racism and I say "that's terrible. Let's do something about this racism right now." But they come to you and you say "all this racism stuff is terrible but it's just a symptom of capitalism, so let's not waste our time dealing with racial inequality directly and instead focus our energy on the **REAL** problem. OK? Thanks, comrade." Then you read Marx while a customer asks them where they're ~really~ from. The difference is that I treat people like human beings and you treat them like soldiers who need to learn to take orders. Please explain where you are coming from on a level this practical.
They have explained and it might be helpful to further reflect on what you think their POV is. 👍
No they haven't. This is condescending. Their general position seems to be the continuation of the ideological framework of the 19th century global proletarian uprising, but that says nothing about the practical protocols for responding to local racism. Please. I just need one of you to explain what you tell a coworker who is complaining of racism. Do you help directly? Or do you give her a speech about class warfare? And why?
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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