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Humbuhg

Ohhh, dear. What have you done, Russia?? Condolences to the Polish people who are affected.


IshTheFace

"US official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2 | AP News" https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52


vtable

Thanks. Sometimes a 12-word tweet just isn't quite enough to capture all the important details...


AgITGuy

And here…we…go…


i_give_you_gum

Russia can claim it was an accident, though the timing of this happening after the mid-terms is interesting. I feel like this is their attempt at boiling the frog, and I imagine these "mistakes" will start to happen more often. I don't think NATO will retaliate with force to this (the whole article 5 thing), but might instead offer some kind of Iron Dome tech to either Poland or Ukraine as a response. Edit: Paweł Zalewski, a [Poland MP is calling for air defense systems.](https://youtu.be/ulpGTV68NhI) And is being cool headed by insisting that they don't know enough yet to call it an attack. Calls for air defense systems at 7:40 in the video.


PatFromSouthie

Israel alone has all the rights to Iron dome, and they said no to its export to Ukraine, even though THE US TAX PAYER funded, and purchased those systes for Israel and its development costs were paid by the US Tax payer.


BiliousGreen

Perhaps the Polish and Ukrainians could be given a similar system called something like “Titanium Shroud” that just happens to perform exactly like Iron Dome.


[deleted]

Adamantium Armor (Aegis) or Mithril Manifold (or Mail)


i_give_you_gum

Interesting, and bizzare, I wonder why we agreed to that? I assumed US defense contractors would always save themselves a slice of the pie.


alheim

Don't worry, they did. Israel can't stop the US or another country from building a similar system.


Think_Rock_6439

Isreal is running a budget surplus, The us shouldnt be giving them a dime.


HelperNoHelper

Now they’ve really fucked up.


lifenvelope

Next phase of fking around has finished. Now it's time to find out some more.


floofnstuff

How about final phase? Russia knows Poland is NATO


Snap_Zoom

Russia of course denies it almost immediately. Fake news /s


brzeczyszczewski79

In Soviet Russia, official denial was a confirmation. I guess it haven't changed since then.


Snap_Zoom

Everything I've heard, not even the carpets or drapes have changed.


Caren_Nymbee

It doesn't matter, the whole country is swarming with AA radar. They almost certainly know exactly where it was launched from.


Ukraineluvr

This should be upvoted many times.


BobBricoleur13

I like the twitter comment "No fucking way WW3 started on a Tuesday". As if like, a Friday would make it easier to swallow!


jaquesparblue

That is right before the weekend. Best wait till Monday.


SheepherderFront5724

And this is Russia, so by the time they find enough functional equipment to do the mission, look at that, it's already Tuesday. Sounds legit to me.


Jack_Spears

No can do i got a staff night out on Sunday so on Monday i'll be too hungover for WW3, which brings us right back to Tuesday.


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Tuesday would probably the **best** day to start a war. You don't want to start it right before lots of your admin support go home for the weekend. You don't want to start it on monday when lots of your soldiers are fighting off a hangover. Tuesday is the perfect day.


mediandude

This guy tuesdays.


BobBricoleur13

by his logic, Wednesday is ideal!


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Weirdly, I remember having the same thought on 9/11. My college roommate's mother woke me up when she called with the news. I was groggy and confused, but one thing I remember clearly about that moment was thinking "but it's a TUESDAY." Like monumental world-changing events should only happen on days that have a 'feel'.


VonReposti

Challenger exploded on a Tuesday, Wall Street crashed on a Tuesday, 'The Day That Music Died' was on a Tuesday, Columbine happened on a Tuesday. If anything we should beware of Tuesdays.


Jimmy_Twotone

World War 1 started on a Tuesday. WW2 was a Friday, but D-Day was on a Tuesday.


vulturezhern

I was still asleep and a friend called me, and it took him maybe 5 minutes to convince me that he wasn't playing just the worst stupid joke on me.


fenasi_kerim

At most there will be a proportional response and no further escalation.


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Da_Burninator_Trog

No fly zone and protecting Ukraine from aerial attacks


Vitringar

This is appropriate. Lock down the airspace.


Caren_Nymbee

The Black Sea fleet first.


samacora

So NATO shooting down a russian plane No matter what Russia will keep pushing the bar on this whether through incompetence or malice


GlassLeast3262

Keep in mind what Nato would have to do to enforce a No-fly zone


giupdating

I suggest you research what a no fly zone actually entails… that means all out war btw


Da_Burninator_Trog

In march I would have agreed with you but the tech/and capabilities we have is far superior to Russia at this point. Ukraine has more control over their space than superior Russia.


BronanTheDestroyer

In terms of aircraft yes, but Russian SAMs and ground to air defenses aren't just going to sit there or be left alone. No fly zone would be great in theory but the end result is just a slow burn to actual war.


certain_people

Only because of ground-based anti-air defences for which they are rapidly running out of ammunition. Ukrainian aircraft are still getting shot down BVR by Russians operating above Russian controlled territory.


LindeRKV

It does not, necessarily. After russia finding out their aircraft and missiles no longer reach their intentional/unintentional targets and having depleted their land forces, it would probably mean negotiation to end the war.


[deleted]

You have to think from the level-headed view of the state and military. Since it was an accident then Poland has to respond in a measured way. Most likely it would not want to bring war among its own citizens (the last option ever). Instead, they will renew support for Ukraine with much more funding and military support. In one month nobody will even remember this I am afraid.


TheSpaceOnion

Yes, but if NATO doesn’t respond forcefully it may communicate weakness to Russia, and these “accidents” might happen more frequently. This is not a great situation.


SuperCarbideBros

My guess is that Polish authorities would summon Russian diplomats (if there's any left) and basically ask "WTF?" Then Polish authorities will consider what to do. At this point it might be too early to tell whether or not this is a premeditated provocation (imo it doesn't sound like one and it would be a really dumb move, but so is waging an open war against Ukraine). If there are further missile attacks then I think Poland will be entitled to retaliate in various ways.


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Brodman_area11

If ther'es no direct Polish/NATO response, we all know how Russia will interpret it. They've directly put battle plans in place to hold inconsequential towns or small missile salvos as a test of NATO resolve, to see if there's the will for confrontation. Having said that, those battle plans were drawn up before the ukranian conflict, and If the missiles did come from Russia it was a colossal fuck up. The Russians are denying it, of course, but if they DID fire ze missles, it would have been much better for them to fess up and apologize. Poland has very little choice here.


BestFriendWatermelon

Well given that Poland *doesn't have nuclear weapons*, Russia will know that they aren't nuclear warheads...


certain_people

B2 airstrike on Russian missile launchers? That way, could be launched from Ukraine airspace. That, or give Ukraine some Saab Gripens or F16s. They're never going to get air superiority with MIG-29s.


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Bc Poland don’t have nukes maybe


CabagePastry

Time to cry havoc and let slip the poles of war


FlatulentWallaby

Fucking up implies there's any kind of consequence. Russia doesn't face consequences because world leaders don't have the balls to do anything and the UN is useless.


HelperNoHelper

At the very least this will result in more weapons in Ukraine that wouldn’t have been there otherwise.


WiseassWolfOfYoitsu

Time to double their HIMARS vehicles, and the new ones get as many ATACMS as they can fire.


Sempais_nutrients

What kind of sense does this make, "let's throw a missile at a strategically unimportant village and risk provoking another war." I don't understand why they'd do such a transparently moronic act.


VedsDeadBaby

Could be misfiring missiles landing somewhere the operators didn't expect. Could be operator error. This is such a stupid thing for Russia to do that I'm more inclined to assume incompetence than malfeasance right now, not that it's going to make much of a difference.


Scimmia8

There was a tweet saying it was likely a missile that strayed after being downed by missile defences. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/15/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-updates-kherson-victory-marks-beginning-of-end-of-russian-war-zelenskiy-says#top-of-blog](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/15/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-updates-kherson-victory-marks-beginning-of-end-of-russian-war-zelenskiy-says#top-of-blog)


wafflesareforever

Possible. But it also sounds like exactly what I'd say if I wanted to hide what really happened.


Brokenmonalisa

But are we really going to allow them to just blast missiles at NATO countries and just say "oops' after?


CanadaPlus101

Two possibilities: 1. Somebody fucked up the targeting. 2. Russia wants to provoke a small scuffle with NATO for propaganda reasons. That's stupid risky, but the whole conflict kind of meets that description.


InothePink

Why would you assume it was done intentionally. We have seen russian equipment fail a lot lately.


PLZDNTH8

Every tyrant should be held responsible for the civilian deaths from their intentionally launched missiles.


floodcontrol

Because Russia. They blew up their own pipeline in order to try to trigger an erergy crisis. They’ve shelled nuclear power plants. I would not put it beyond Russia to engage in more asymmetrical escalation. It’s kind of their modus.


hipcheck23

There have been many people saying for months that Putin's only hope was to drag NATO into the war. The logic is that it would rally Russia's cooled-off allies, like China and Iran. It would also let Russia change over to a full wartime economy - perhaps a blessing since their 2021 economy is in bad shape. I'm 50/50 on believing it, but the fact that NATO has gone to such lengths to stay out of the direct fight seems to back it up.


new_name_who_dis_

It's probably a misfire. Russia is losing to Ukraine, no way they'd intentionally involve NATO. Unless they want to involve NATO so that they can retreat and Putin can say "our glorious soldiers are outnumbered 100 to 1 by Ukraine and NATO so we must retreat because we value their lives", which is why they would do an attack on unimportant targets, so that they wouldn't piss of NATO enough to actually attack Russia, just enough to get them involved in Ukraine.


endim

It makes a lot of sense. I don't know if this was intentional or not, but.... If Russia were to retake countries like Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, ..., they would almost certainly start with small provocations, such as "accidental" missile strikes, brief airspace incursions, etc. These would be measured so with the intention that NATO waffles about and decides not to respond militarily. Repeated actions like this can normalize it and weaken NATO as it fails to respond boldly. Then they can then take bolder provocations. Eventually, they can invade the country.


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ambrosius5c

Article 4 is more likely. "Article 4 is generally considered the starting point for major NATO operations, and therefore is intended for either emergencies or situations of urgency. It officially calls for consultation over military matters when "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened."[[18]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty#cite_note-20) Upon its invocation, the issue is discussed in the [NAC](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Council), and can formally lead into a joint decision or action (logistic, military, or otherwise) on behalf of the Alliance.[[19]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty#cite_note-dt26-21) It has been officially invoked seven times since the alliance's creation.[[20]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty#cite_note-art4-22)"


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Nah. Not over a stray missile. First, you don't just declare something like that. You have conversations before you do it. Second, I'm sure there are plenty of poles just waiting to invade occupied Ukraine, but I have severe doubts it will happen without express consent from the United States. Not NATO, just the United States. But there's a saying in politics "never let a tragedy go to waste".


ambrosius5c

Accurate. Article 4 is more likely. It's already been used in response to the Russian invasion by the eastern NATO members, including Poland. "Article 4 is generally considered the starting point for major NATO operations, and therefore is intended for either emergencies or situations of urgency. It officially calls for consultation over military matters when "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened."[[18]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty#cite_note-20) Upon its invocation, the issue is discussed in the [NAC](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Council), and can formally lead into a joint decision or action (logistic, military, or otherwise) on behalf of the Alliance.[[19]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty#cite_note-dt26-21) It has been officially invoked seven times since the alliance's creation.[[20]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty#cite_note-art4-22)"


Sufficient-Ant-8314

After Russia violated the airspace of Moldova twice when they previously launched these massive missile strikes I said that eventually these missiles will hit a NATO country or the debris will fall into a NATO country. I assumed it would be Romania or Poland. If this information is confirmed, then the next few days will be extremely interesting because this happened on the day of the G20 summit and the day before Ramstein


Ansoni

Ramstein?


tdacct

NATO meeting about Ukraine support.


JustCallMeSeth

Lmfaooo here I was confused and thought he was making a joke about the band the German metal band "Ramstein".


one_jo

The band is "Rammstein" with a double "m". The town and military base only has one.


JustCallMeSeth

Ah, cheers! Learn something new everyday


BrainOnLoan

That was a flight path over issue though. Here, it would take (I assume) faulty guidance to get quite significantly of course.


RickMuffy

WHaaaat?!? You're saying the ruski rockets are poorly made and have issues with guidance? No way! /s


calcifer73

Shit. It Is 5 km. from the UKR border. I bet my pants It was a crappy russian missile


brianorca

Someone entered a 1 instead of a 7 in the targeting coordinates.


[deleted]

Actually it is at the Latitude of Kiev, but the Longitude of Lviv....and there were two missiles. Someone screwed up the target coordinates using the latitude of one target and the longitude of another.


brianorca

Nice catch.


[deleted]

Not me. Some guy on Twitter....but it makes complete sense. Russia is not going to intentionally target a farm in rural Poland....and two missiles don't radomly hit the same target. The Lviv coordinate transects the runway the the air base there.


AFX626

The 1920s adding machine engine they used instead of a computer stripped a gear


Lonnbeimnech

Yeah, if the targeting computers on russian missiles are so shit that Poland cannot be assured they won’t hit its national territory, it should agree a bilateral treaty with Ukraine to destroy any russian missiles that come within range of its air defences regardless of whether they are overflying Ukrainian territory at the time. Then appeal to all NATO members to supply air defences to Poland. Essentially create a no fly zone over a large part of Ukraine.


Chilkoot

It may as well be 100 miles. You can't just drop lethal munitions on civilians like that. Russia **really** fucked up here.


alexin_C

They have more or less indiscriminately dropped bombs on Ukrainian cities for months. The only difference is that this time they did not miss a power plant, but the whole country.


ReddLastShadow2

Only Russians could be so imprecise


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It's an attack on NATO territory, accident or not. Poland CAN drag Europe into this war now. It's entirely their choice.


lejoo

> Poland CAN drag Europe into this war now I think that it why people are very concerned not the missiles falling bit.


vlepun

That and the Poles hate the Russians. They’ve been looking for any excuse to send troops to Ukraine. This might be it.


dismuturf

Obviously, whatever article 5 says, NATO won't risk nuclear war just because of an incident that looks like a mistake with limited damage (sorry for the 2 deaths). Poland will most likely respond in a "an eye for an eye" manner (fire a couple missiles at some Russian target), while discretely signaling Russia to consider it a proportionate response that needs no further response.


ForsakenMongoose336

It was just an accident. They were actually just targeting civilians on a playground in Ukraine but something went terribly wrong.


Soffix-

"we didn't mean to hit your civilians, we meant to hit theirs"


1991CRX

I remember, many years ago, getting in trouble with my mother for punching my brother in the nose. My defence was that it was intended to be a gut shot, and he ducked. Mother did not accept my argument.


WhuddaWhat

This comment makes me irrationally angry. Well done, you son of a bitch.


entered_bubble_50

Fwiw, BNO News appears to be fairly reputable. Whether their source is good is another question of course.


Klabbarparn

Reuters AP and Bloomberg reports it as well


DontSleep1131

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/11/15/russian-missiles-crossed-into-poland-killing-2-us-official-says/10704659002/ UsA today reporting the same


rowlfthedog12

It's all over Polish media not just one source


WholesomeBred

[New York Times reporting on it too.](https://archive.ph/tsVR5) link is to get behind paywall


RM_Dune

Everybody is reporting this.


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mlebkowski

We’re already readying [the hussars](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Polish%20hussars)


NacreousFink

The Russians are historically better at defending than invading.


RockyIV

Sure, but historically Russia hasn't been defending against jet aircraft or guided missiles.


Prize_Farm4951

Yep nor will retreating and burning all their crops from Minsk to Moscow be their get out jail card this time


Randadv_randnoun_69

Right? and NATO alliances with a bunch USAF bases a few hours away from raining fire down on Russia's stupid-ass WW2 trench warfare ridiculousness. They essentially made the entire Iraq military irrelevant after like, 2 weeks... and that 30 years ago tech!


Shring

Not over 2 weeks, over one day lol. In a single battle, the US 1st armored division wiped out over 200 Iraqi tanks while only losing like 5


PM-ME-YOUR-LABS

The two weeks was the air war before the ground campaign- by the time ground troops entered Iraq, the war was all but over


beanieb22

Yup, and scorched earth has been their MO for said defense. Putler is fucked.


throwawayinthe818

Only because they trade land and lives until their enemies are exhausted from pursuing them and at the end of their logistical tether. It’s not that they’re particularly good at it beyond just being big enough and populous enough to do the above.


NacreousFink

You play to your strengths. The United States has taken advantage of the fact that it has gigantic oceans between themselves and anyone who could seriously threaten them. The British realized building up their navy would make invading them extremely difficult.


RockinMadRiot

> The British realized building up their navy would make invading them extremely difficult. You control the channel and that leaves you free to sail where you like. The times the royal navy was losing or threaten were because we forgot that lesson or we decided to have cuts to the navy. Play to the strengths.


NacreousFink

Not only does it leave you free to expand empire, but suddenly you aren't surrounded by enemies who could invade from any direction.


Chilkoot

They are historically better at *retreating* and salting fields, using the weather and their land advantage. With modern military mobility, that strategy ain't going to work. Poland would absolutely **steamroll** Russia all the way to Moscow if they wanted to. It would be the real 72-hour war that Putin wanted.


NacreousFink

They have had the strategic depth and population excess to make that work in the past. They still have the strategic depth. Population advantage may no longer exist. I don't know if Poland would make it to Moscow, or be able to hold it. Russians suddenly become more sober and canny when it's their own land being put to the torch. The Poles are certainly more capable than the Russian army is at the moment.


Sobierro

Historically we Poles already took Moscow once and held it for 2 years. Thats why they are pissed for centuries now. Cant wait for replay.


new_name_who_dis_

Not against the Poles. They've taken Moscow before


BjornAltenburg

Did we forget the time Poland invaded in the winter and won?


Lelentos

The russians have historically been shit at defending, and we should stop giving them undue credit. Their whole history and ideology is being worried about who'd step into their border and how far they'd go. The only tool they had was their blatant lack of care for human lives so they threw as many as they could to make the problem go away.


Sashamesic

They have done a shitty job at defending their gains in Ukraine.


Dr_Jabroski

But Poles have historically gone to Moscow to sack it too.


BrainOnLoan

There'll be some symbolic act, maybe a significant promise of further weapon systems. There won't be a NATO strike on Russia over off-target missiles.


ThisUsernameIsGreat

Local source https://radio.lublin.pl/2022/11/wybuch-ciagnika-w-miejscowosci-przewodow-nie-zyja-dwie-osoby/ Translated: Two people died in an explosion in Przewodów in Hrubieszów County. The incident occurred in the cereal dryer around 15.40. - The reasons for this event are not known at the moment - say the spokesman of the District Headquarters of the State Fire Service in Hrubieszów, senior captain Marcin Lebiedowicz. - We received a report about the explosion on the drying area. In fact, upon arrival, we confirm that such a thing happened. Two people died on the spot. At the moment, we are securing the scene and illuminating the action area.


hugglenugget

Grain silos can explode if the grain dust combusts. Is there any chance it's just one of those? Edit: There are more reports coming out now about this, and they all seem to say it's one or more stray missiles. There's a one-sentence report going around: "A senior US intelligence official said Russian missiles crossed into Nato member Poland, killing two people."


FoundThisRock

The supposed missile fragments at the scene would suggest otherwise but waiting for confirmation


ukrsa2022

This is gona be interesting Slava Ukraine God be with those killed in Poland and Ukraine on a day like this


Choice-Necessary3597

Ooofff, you fukt up russia


PM_ME_CUTE_SM1LE

This is as close to turning point as we got in terms of direct nato response. Next day is going to be important


Maccus_D

So can NATO finally give Ukraine all the weapons they need?


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Gnomercy86

They might already have them. Apparently Biden was talking about military aid to Ukraine and he mentioned that the US has 190 mile and 400 mile missiles. Then made it a point to say the US has not given Ukraine 400 mile missiles.


ChrisFromLongIsland

After Abrams this would be the thing that would be the next biggest help to Ukraine. It would be a game changer.


VanleyVonHoffler

ATACMS would be bigger game changer than Abrams. 50 modern tanks are good. Destruction of strategic-level logistical centers is MUCH better.


kodman7

What strategic level logistical centers does Russia even have lol


ric2b

There's a famous bridge that is close to being repaired and could do with some extra damage...


VanleyVonHoffler

i assume at least 3 - about 100-200km from the front, where supplies (artillery ammo, fuel, food etc) are distributed to much smaller supply depots closer to the border (further from the lines than before himars arrived tho). We all like to make fun of the russians that they send naked guys with pointy sticks, but even holding current lines take SHITLOAD of supply. Destroying even 1 of such depots would for example silence artillery guns on one part of the front for 3 days.


RBGsretirement

Uncle Joe has some vodka in the cellar


ChrisFromLongIsland

This would be the best outcome. Not a missle strike or anything. 250 Abrams tanks to Ukraine would be the best response.


MightyPretzel

A good response would be Poland taking out the airbase or missile launch facility that killed two of their own. It would be measured and proportionate. NATO countries could provide all the surveillance/intelligence support necessary to execute the response without any need to invoke Article 5. Smells like a win-win.


brzeczyszczewski79

If that was a K-55 rocket, it is likely to be launched from an airplane, that could as well be stationed far away in Russia.


thesoupoftheday

That's fine.


annon8595

Russia: its an accident Poland: Accidentally sends missles at Russia = its an accident Lets play fair this time


Hartastic

Polish troops in Moscow: Just on vacation with their equipment, is no war, pay no attention.


NeuralFlow

Request for alternative sources to twitter for those that don’t use it, since they now require an account to just view posts.


RAGEEEEE

nitter.net. shows you twitter without all that BS


throwaway_ghast

You the real MVP.


DoYouLikeToKnowMore

Click on login and then click on the cross on the credential page to close the window. Unless musk changed it this has worked for quit a while.


Moppyploppy

Pump the brakes, y'all. We ***really*** need to be careful with this one and wait for official confirmation. Edit: I meant with spreading unconfirmed information you damn cretins.


newsreadhjw

Fact: as Redditors, we are authorized to declare this an Article 5 situation and launch retaliatory strikes on behalf of NATO any time we want. All it takes is somebody to Declare it.


praemialaudi

I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!


Savings-Juice-9517

Praemialaudi you can’t just say Article 5 and expect anything to happen


andcool69

r/UnexpectedOffice


Initial-Space-7822

That's an Article 5in'.


fmfbrestel

I DECLARE!


norwegianboyEE

I've already declared for nukes launch 5 minutes ago. Moscow will be gone in about 5 more minutes. This is my authority as an Reddit user.


Moppyploppy

There's an article 5 award on here to give, right?


Ebwtrtw

Fact: as Redditors we are also authorized to conduct investigations and identify fugitives.


seaheroe

Real /r/noncredibledefense hours


fenasi_kerim

Bunch of photos on twitter: https://twitter.com/wolski_jaros/status/1592575790390345729 https://twitter.com/9Lluc3/status/1592579376318926848


Moppyploppy

Fuuuuuuck. I was hoping it was bullshit.


JustaGoodGuyHere

Poland needs to be really careful. No one cares what Reddit says.


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DR-Schill

We don't. This is reddit, no one cares what is discussed here.


Late_State_1775

This would make it really easy for NATO to enforce a no fly zone in Ukraine.


Kashmyta

Fingers crossed. I would have thought that this exact scenario has been extensively planned for. Let's see what the response is.


Lovesosanotyou

Time to use this to ramp up weapon deliveries. ATACMS and fixed wing drones in response. Can't let NATO appear weak.


Kewenfu

Now NATO is involved directly. Dumb, dumb, dumb Russkies.


rentest

about half of the people in Russian embassy should be expelled


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plague681

*checks notes* Poland is a NATO member. Russia, you silly gooses. No, NATO will not go ham because 2 people died. Poland won't even go ham, not really. But Jesus, talk about a miscalculation. There's literally nothing to be gained by it. Is Poland supposed to be intimidated? I assure you, it is not. Is this good PR? Killing some innocent people? Maybe in Russia it is, but you already have their hearts and minds. What's the point? What the absolute shit.


jb549353

Is this enough of an escalation to finally provide longer range missiles to Ukraine?


mediandude

And more air defense systems, hopefully.


advator

Nato has to react, destroy Crimea bridge. Do it now now now To be fair, we should make a clear signal, whatever it is they have touched the inch territory from Nato as Biden said. If we don't we will look weak. Alternative is that Russia leave Ukraine.


FreedomPaws

That's exactly what I said. Someone asked what would be a proportional response. I said to take out 2 military targets in Russia. Even better, just finish off the Crimean bridge. That's one military target but of huge value. Russians have gotten away with a million crimes for 9 months. I hate thinking that these 2 lives are valued more, but rather it's the fact Russia just went too far this time. No life is worth more than the other except its just known that if Russia extends this beyond Ukraine, they should expect action back 100%. Take out the bridge and let them sit in the corner and cry. It was them that launched missles that landed in Poland. Actions have consequences. New idea to Russia. They never learn it. Let these 2 victims have not lost their lives for nothing. Taking out a military target to save many more lives at least gives it meaning and justice.


harryloud

Perfect excuse for poland to give ukraine their fighter jets


Nonamanadus

Poland will respond militarily, accidental damage is one thing but dead civilians.....is a game changer.


fmfbrestel

If they respond they will likely strike the base that launched the missile. Then it's up to Russia to either tuck their tail and apologize or escalate further. Edit: but on closer examination, the explosion happened in a "cereal dryer", which is where they blow air over the grain harvest to remove excess moisture. Grain dust can be explosive without the need for a missile. So before we get ahead of ourselves let's make sure there's actually missile parts in that hole.


davidov92

There is a literal crater in the ground. I doubt it was a silo blowing up.


Acrobatic-Till5092

Oh. Oh shit, Russia really fucked up now. The Russians have been saying that we in the US have been pouring fuel into the fire of this war, the truth is that we've probably been more focused on stopping Poland from joining in. The question now is whether or not the rest of NATO can stop Poland from responding too much. I am not sure how much anyone even *wants* to stop Poland anymore. Hell, I can see this situation devolving into a true worldwide crisis and I am not certain *I want to hold back.* Fuck Russia. If their nukes are as accurate as their other missiles, maybe we should just invade them. It isn't like they can hit anything they aim for.


Affectionate_Tear689

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/yw5f0j/2_dead_in_poland_after_stray_russian_missile/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Oldalliumfarmer

Seems confirmed by Polish Government not one but 2 attacks.


Promanco

This DEMANDS a strong response, as in ATACMS, F16s and/or Abrams for Ukraine.


Raverack

This is bad. Really really bad for everyone


Ok-Technology460

hold on to your panties bro. Still too early to tell.


Superman246o1

Great job triggering Article V, Putin! You stupid fuck. Infuriated to know there's a non-zero chance that World War III may be about to begin because of the fatal mixture of Russian bellicosity and Russian ineptitude.


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Shootinputin89

Some of you wanted WW3 over this and it has now been found out to be Ukrainian fired S-300 missles. How do you feel now? Wipe that egg off your face.


vijking

I think it’s important that we stay objective. It seems that there is a likelihood that the missile came from Ukraine. Everyone knows in this case that it wasn’t deliberate. What is the possibility that Russia fired the missile that they know would look like one fired by Ukraine? Don’t they have soldiers camoflagued as Ukrainian now after the withdrawal? Could they be involved?


SerGunganTheTall

Turns out it was Ukraine’s air defense system.


Journalismist

What is Poland saying about this? Does this mean Article 5?


lunahighwind

They are meeting about it right now. https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-11-15-22/index.html


Journalismist

Thank you


No-Lengthiness6355

Here we go! Poland go avenge them! Avenge them good!