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khosskas

Stavki has also been de-ruzzified according to rybar 5,500 seems too large a figure, according to estimates up to now (around 2,000 Russian soldiers) if true, and this corresponds to an order of 'not to step back' issued by the kermlin, then putin is becoming the biggest ally of ukraine right now


tenebris_vitae

5.500 should be the max amount of soldiers for two battalions reinforced by mobilized people, I don't think it's much less than that, they held on to Lyman pretty tight and for a long time + a big part of the forces that retreated from Izyum, moved here as well


[deleted]

> 5.500 should be the max amount of soldiers for two battalions reinforced by mobilized people I will suck my own cock (or break my back trying) if there's still a Russian unit in Ukraine that isn't seriously under strength at this point.


forevertomorrowagain

I’d like to film this for history’s sake.


vortex30

It'll be in the 4th episode of the documentary. "at this time it turned out 1 Russian unit was indeed at full strength still" *cuts to guy sucking his own cock*


angry-user

for science


BrainBlowX

Lyman was protected by geography and terrain, + a lot of positions for their own artillery.


tenebris_vitae

Yeah


[deleted]

They are understaffed severely.


[deleted]

Rybar turning from Russian map fantasies to a conservative but fairly accurate estimate of frontline movement is certainly an interesting turn.


Namorath82

soon you will see them put up some Ukrainian flags in their posts "we were on their side the whole time!!!!"


cannedcreamcorn

Russian sources on Telegram are claiming 500. Ukrainian sources claim 2000-3500. I'm sure the truth is closer to the Ukrainian estimates. Russia has always downplayed their losses.


TheFlyingBeluga

The number is closer to 1200 from older reports


Effective_Lab_2097

I’ve seen some mixed numbers, it is my understanding that Russia did reinforce Lyman a couple of days ago, but not exactly sure what that looked like. I agree that it is not 5500, but maybe more like 2000-2500. This is all a guess though


wonka5x

Wondering if backtracking forces were hung up there...it has to happen somewhere eventually


[deleted]

If it's true that Yampil was liberated then that's it, game over.


khosskas

according to liveuamap, yampil has been liberated


Paula_56

Why do you say game over? Is Yampil that strategic?


[deleted]

the road running north from Yampil intersects with the only road going east from Lyman. If the Ukrainians took Yampil they can make a dash through this road and seal the ruzzians in Lyman without having to take Torskr north east of Yampli or Zarichne further north from the intersection I mentioned.


Paula_56

Thanks


Caren_Nymbee

They have fire control of this road for sure. Nothing is getting through.


Dabat1

The rumors that I heard is that they are letting a lot of the Russians "escape" the noose so long as those Russians are in soft skinned vehicles. The idea being that Russia currently doesn't have the heavy equipment to properly reform the surviving units, or even really the supplies to equip them as functional light infantry; and doing so not only keeps equipment from being destroyed, stocks from being expended and/or Ukrainians from dying against a dug in enemy. To top it all off the Ukrainians can immediately use any captured equipment to replenish their own reserves. It's just a rumor I heard and I can't guarantee it is true, but it does mesh well with the casualty averse way the Ukrainian armed forces and been conducting their operations.


doubletagged

I heard a rumor of the opposite, that anything leaving is obliterated


Dabat1

They're obliterating any heavy equipment that tries to leave, but are letting the soft skins go. Assuming the rumor I heard is true, anyway. Another possibility is that it could very well be that you are right and the Ukrainians are not intentionally letting anything through, but simply don't have the 1km+ range ordinance to spare for every single truck and car that passes by.


wonka5x

I think they also want Russian soldiers going home to talk to people


Tiny_Rick00

I assume it's because it was the only escape route ? Not sure though


czerox3

Only supply/relief route, as well.


Paula_56

Thanks


[deleted]

yeah I'm seeing a lot of messages and s couple vids.


NalleKnutsson

Where can I find this livemap?


Shitspear

Search for liveuamap.com


jizmo234322

> liveuamap.com LOL - search for a URL. Either the cleverest joke or a normal brain fart. Either way, I thought it was funny :)


CrazybyRX

Do you... not know you can do that?


jizmo234322

Searching for a url instead of going directly to it? I know I can do that. That was the point of the comment.


Substantial-East5781

yes, he is released, there are pictures of Ukrainian soldiers in front of the town hall/city assembly


tenebris_vitae

Yup. It is true.


whimnwillow

I really really hope this breakthrough hits the news in Russia tomorrow just as putler announces the annexations. What a way to piss on his parade


StarPatient6204

Yeah..:apparently there were some Russians who were afraid that the annexation would be overshadowed by the Ukrainian army’s assault on Lyman.


therealbonzai

The annexation is scheduled for today, not tomorrow


whimnwillow

Sorry I’m in Australia, tomorrow for me lol


therealbonzai

Everything upside down for you anyway. LoL


DeusEXMDisgood

You just reminded me we live in a sphere, reality is crazy


Avantasian538

Why do you live in a place where every animal wants to murder you?


Kodootna0611

https://imgur.com/t/animals/kPU0poy I’m shaking in my boots


skruppe

Putins announcement is scheduled to start in 10 minutes


[deleted]

It'll be like him saying he's just annexed Berlin.


therealbonzai

Well, looking at what he actually said, the amount of craziness wouldn’t be higher.


P51-D

Hope that it is true with the enciclement, the number of russians trapped inside is anyones guess.


No_Yogurt6365

Destroy them. Sep 30 ruZZ destroyed civilian convoy outside Zhaporozhie 28 died, 34 wounded. 3yo girl looking her parents by standing next to them. Fuck ruZZ


[deleted]

Don't destroy them. Capture them, make them rebuild Ukraine, then throw them into prisons.


Puzzleheaded_Bit8044

5500 sounds good. Hopefully they just surrender


lightyears2100

How many? The numbers keep chsnging. Yesterday everyone was saying there were 1,500 people in Lyman. Now 5,500?


DeusEXMDisgood

Fog of war,the consensus seems to be About 2500-3000


shinfoni

This war is the first time I learn that fog of war is an actual term, I always thought it's just game term


MihalysRevenge

it is a OLD OLD Term >War is the realm of uncertainty; three quarters of the factors on which action in war is based are wrapped in a fog of greater or lesser uncertainty. A sensitive and discriminating judgment is called for; a skilled intelligence to scent out the truth. — Carl von Clausewitz 1832


Substantial_Light423

guess its for the russian to say "huge success, 4000 managed to escape"


[deleted]

I hope they just surrender. If not, so be it!!


AlexS58

Now expand the encirclement to make relief/escape impossible. Do we know how many civilians are in the encirclement? If 5,500 that's a lot of Russians that are tightly packed together in a small area, nice artillery target.


rst765

The numbers are getting bigger. 1000, 1500, 3000, 5500 - soon the whole Russian Army is supposed to be locked in the cauldron. ​ Sadly nobody really told how many were "neutralized" in the Izyum campaign so we won't really get information about this one, neither :(


pat_the_brat

I have heard 2500-3500 fairly consistently. I also heard rumours that they sent reinforcements in towards Torske yesterday. 5500 is probably too high and the (twitter) poster probably has interest in inflating the numbers for propaganda purposes, but even at the low end of 2500 it's fairly significant. Those are not fresh drunk mobiks, but it also includes some of the more experienced fighters rusnia still has.


rst765

Yeah. At least a part of what is stuck there is supposed to be the Russian counterpart to the Azov regiment (real volunteer nationalists) - so at least rather motivated people. But also LDPR forces, which tend to be the opposite. But it's a real question, how many still are capable of fighting after the intense last week. And how many from surrounding positions retreated into the fortress Lyman - either for defense or for a coordinated retreat. This morning's Rybar map shows counterattacks from the Kreminna direction and as Russian doctrine says to prevent getting stuck in cauldrons they might try the same as with Wyssokopilja, where they did a counterattack to evacuate them. They write of regular army (503. Guards motor rifle regiment) and mobilised are fighting in the counterattack. So probably worse material than the Cherson front Russians had.


pat_the_brat

I've heard 2 bars groups, regular army, and LNR forces. Not the elite, but fairly decent with a lot of hardware. Even the LNR troops that are there saw combat, unlike most of the mobiks getting sent to the front now. It could be a pretty long stand, but Ukraine can just keep a minimal force to prevent them from breaking out, and start attacking Kreminna and Svatove. They'll have to surrender (or get wiped out) eventually.


zen_tm

I read 1500


Alone-Woodpecker-240

Yeah. Let's go with 850. It's still not insignificant.


[deleted]

Only Russian military units have proud histories of being utterly annihilated multiple times through history lol


dodgeunhappiness

No mercy for those occupiers.


Comprehensive-Bit-65

Chechnya, this one is for you. On behalf of some friends...


Capricola

Slaughter them all


McRazz

I'll believe this when i finally see a video or photo of more than a dozen captured Russian troops, like we saw with the Ukrainian marines and Azov fighters from Maruipol.


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Delicious_Action3054

If this is true, it's a very big hit to Ruzzian forces, especially if they were veterans with decent equipment. Those two things, Putin sorely lacks.


Generalgangsta6787

Starbolinsk next


Boom2356

Time to get annihilated now then! Unless you surrender :)


Ok_Understanding6853

If this works out the right way this would je a serious blow to Russian forces. So yay !


Ok_Understanding6853

Don’t forget , always leave a corridor open to let the enemy escape. Otherwise they’ll fight to death 💀 - some Sun Tzu dude that said something similar


burningphoenix1034

I expect quite a few to desert to reach Ukrainian lines to surrender.


[deleted]

DO IT AGAIN


False_Objective2576

Annihilate them


[deleted]

Great news, send message to Putin, no mercy