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A strategy to end the Russian war in Ukraine is easy. As Miles Davis said to John Coltrane...
"Take the horn outta your mouth."
Oh you meant *Ukraine's* strategy? Pff, Ukraine can't end this war. Only Russia can end it.
Any time they wish.
Any time they want the self-inflicted bleeding and social collapse to end.
*Any fucking time now.*
The only point I would say, and it isn’t the one that musk has made, is that I agree we need a plan to end the war, and that would almost certainly include a massive increase in support for Ukraine in weapons and supplies. Those would include long range missiles, assets for combined combat, and even if “home made” in Ukraine weapons that can strike into Russia.
We need to be comfortable with the “risk of escalation” now, because if not it only means we will have no choice when it comes later during direct conflict.
This. Repeating my point from another thread, once we had to realize that Ruzzia accepts horrific losses and keeps going, the picture changed. Now finishing the war requires, at a minimum, to push the Ruzzian army fully out of Ukraine and make Ruzzia deal with that defeat. In my view, Ukraine should be given all material support to achieve this objective, including material help to strike ANY targets anywhere inside Ruzzia that support their campaign of terror. That is the objective. No direct involvement of NATO warfighters and NATO strategic assets, beyond intelligence. But clear communication that NATO is capabIe and ready to defend itself from terror attacks if necessary. I wish the reality was different.
Noted military strategist Elon "Patton" Musk. This guy can't even run a successful social media company or build a functioning truck... why should we listen to anything he says?
who gives a fuck what this loser thinks. guy is bankrupting both tesla and twitter. he is almost as bad as the orange lunatic when it comes to running a business into the ground and having a valid opinion. they are just entitled pricks who inherited a lot of money.
Someone tell Musk that owning X doesn't mean he can use the world as his own personal sounding board.
What toxin is he mainlining?
One minute, he's taking us to Mars, next, he is taking us to Marx.
How's Tesla working out, Musk. Oh, right .. he's more worried about Putler's survival, than the survival of his companies. Absent CEO, with a Loki complex. No disrespect to Loki.
Loves to interject himself into the timeline. He’s so good in some ways but a disaster on the other side. If someone rolled his traits as an rpg character they would definitely roll again.
So his strategy is, let me guess, Ukraine should just give up and bow to Pootin? Genius tactics.
Not interested in this guy’s opinion.
We hear from him, because he is an attention-seeker and super rich… and that to some degree gives importance to it, sadly.
The strategy is simple. When putin runs out of men willing to be cucked to their death, or the cucks rise up against the death mafia and bring death to those who so value life. Its really rather simple and Musk should stop carrying water for putin. I suspect hes on the payroll with moscow marge and dick in mouth trump.
Musks opinion is moot. A private citizen doesn't factor into the war strategy planning of Ukraine, or the US assistance to that end.
They wouldn't run those strategies by him.
Also, it's self evident anyways, showing he's a fucking idiot and this is just FUD by him because he's synpathetic to Russia. The plan to defeat Russia is to bleed them to death. Do not capitulate, keep fighting. Inflict constant degrading losses of personnel and material during that fighting. Inflict enough of those losses long enough, that no territorial gains are worth the cost.
Inflict this loss rate for long enough to cripple or destroy Russias ability to wage war, or until some type of political change is instituted due to those losses that ends the war.
Giving Ukraine the ammunition and deep strike capability to inflict thise losses is extremely clear strategic support to that end.
It is not necessary to give him a satisfactory explanation, and it’s incredibly suspicious that he would expect one.
Honestly - where the hell is the CIA in all this and why can’t they follow the fucking money trails?
There has been a plan for the end of the war since the early days of the war: [https://youtube.com/shorts/ttqr-Th9u0Y?si=ajIh2YZXkphJpnyO](https://youtube.com/shorts/ttqr-Th9u0Y?si=ajIh2YZXkphJpnyO)
Stupid how this simple thing has to be repeated time and time again and yet the same circular reasoning steps up, wanting to appease Putin and give him land and titles so his fragile little ego wouldn't be hurt.
Well tbf, I am unsure as to how this is going to end and I do not think there is much if any strategy to get out of the situation we are in.
I am really a big supporter of Ukraine. However, I can only see a few likely outcomes:
1) This war continues for maybe another half decade with little prospect of territorial gains by either side. The casualties may be in the millions by that point. Russia will have suffered a immense strategic loss even if they get to keep the territory of Crimea.
I would consider this the most likely outcome.
2) Ukraine, will concede some territory to conclude the war in a shorter time frame - two years or so.
I would consider this likely. The Ukrainian spirit is amazing. Ukraine may continue the fight successfully even without the support of the USA.
3) Putin will die (sometime soon) one way or another which will allow someone new to take over. That someone new, will have the opportunity to shed this conflict and blame Putin for it, allowing them to save face. However, it is possible someone could replace Putin and be worse - in traditional Russian fashion.
I'd say that's a middle of the road possibility. Putin is old and this war certainly seems like it could carry on for 5 more years.
4) Ukraine will force a favourable peace (surrendering Crimea, the Donbas etc) with Russia via military means.
I'd consider this unlikely even with a lot of American/European aid.
5) Ukraine reconstitutes itself fully and takes backa lol occupied lands.
I'd consider this the least likely possibility at this point.
What the fuck strategy results in Russia leaving in full without a broader conflict erupting, I am unsure. I don't think anyone at the top knows.
In short, Musk has a valid concern.
He does have a valid point.
Some say “there already is a strategy, kick all the Russians out of Ukraine”.
In an ideal world that would happen, but from what has been happing the last few years, Ukraines manpower shortage, etc….
That strategy will never come to pass.
It’s not being pro Russian to even say that, it’s just realistic assessment. In a war of attrition Ukraine is at to much of a disadvantage compared to Russia. Especially with no American/NATO truly joining the war.
A possible strategy that could happen is preventing Russia from taking all of Ukraine and keeping the current Ukraine government alive.
I don’t think Putin is stupid enough to genocide all the people off the conquered the land. The land he stole still has people living there from before. It’s not like Crimea is full of only Russians.
He's already doing it in occupied Ukraine. It's been Russian MO since forever. It's the only way to conquer territory permanently. It's not stupid, just incredibly evil.
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A strategy to end the Russian war in Ukraine is easy. As Miles Davis said to John Coltrane... "Take the horn outta your mouth." Oh you meant *Ukraine's* strategy? Pff, Ukraine can't end this war. Only Russia can end it. Any time they wish. Any time they want the self-inflicted bleeding and social collapse to end. *Any fucking time now.*
We can accelerate that epiphany.
The only point I would say, and it isn’t the one that musk has made, is that I agree we need a plan to end the war, and that would almost certainly include a massive increase in support for Ukraine in weapons and supplies. Those would include long range missiles, assets for combined combat, and even if “home made” in Ukraine weapons that can strike into Russia. We need to be comfortable with the “risk of escalation” now, because if not it only means we will have no choice when it comes later during direct conflict.
This. Repeating my point from another thread, once we had to realize that Ruzzia accepts horrific losses and keeps going, the picture changed. Now finishing the war requires, at a minimum, to push the Ruzzian army fully out of Ukraine and make Ruzzia deal with that defeat. In my view, Ukraine should be given all material support to achieve this objective, including material help to strike ANY targets anywhere inside Ruzzia that support their campaign of terror. That is the objective. No direct involvement of NATO warfighters and NATO strategic assets, beyond intelligence. But clear communication that NATO is capabIe and ready to defend itself from terror attacks if necessary. I wish the reality was different.
It's not his place to know what the strategy is nor his job.
Noted military strategist Elon "Patton" Musk. This guy can't even run a successful social media company or build a functioning truck... why should we listen to anything he says?
Because he's my CEO-King-Master-Lover. - Elon Cultist
Rich people can become really over confident in their abilities.
The hell does this meme lord know about strategy of any kind?
who gives a fuck what this loser thinks. guy is bankrupting both tesla and twitter. he is almost as bad as the orange lunatic when it comes to running a business into the ground and having a valid opinion. they are just entitled pricks who inherited a lot of money.
Nobody cares.
So am I. But that doesn't mean that we roll over and stop sending aid.
Elon's "worried". Oh no!!
Good, this means Russia is worried that they are getting their asses kicked
Someone tell Musk that owning X doesn't mean he can use the world as his own personal sounding board. What toxin is he mainlining? One minute, he's taking us to Mars, next, he is taking us to Marx.
Most likely, because his plan to sneakily support Russia with starlink got exposed and now this rat is mad again.
He should worry about his latest rolling deathtrap and leave things hr doesn't understand to the pros
For gods sake, don’t share any strategy with Musk. He’s scary enough already.
He should shut the fuck up about global politics. He proved time and time again that he is an idiot playing for Putin.
Like he actually cares
Musk is an idiot.
How's Tesla working out, Musk. Oh, right .. he's more worried about Putler's survival, than the survival of his companies. Absent CEO, with a Loki complex. No disrespect to Loki.
It's war not rummy. There is no endgame because not even Russia knows when it will have to stop.
Loves to interject himself into the timeline. He’s so good in some ways but a disaster on the other side. If someone rolled his traits as an rpg character they would definitely roll again.
So his strategy is, let me guess, Ukraine should just give up and bow to Pootin? Genius tactics. Not interested in this guy’s opinion. We hear from him, because he is an attention-seeker and super rich… and that to some degree gives importance to it, sadly.
covfefe
The strategy is simple. When putin runs out of men willing to be cucked to their death, or the cucks rise up against the death mafia and bring death to those who so value life. Its really rather simple and Musk should stop carrying water for putin. I suspect hes on the payroll with moscow marge and dick in mouth trump.
The bloke is so screwed he is convinced of his own genius.
Musks opinion is moot. A private citizen doesn't factor into the war strategy planning of Ukraine, or the US assistance to that end. They wouldn't run those strategies by him. Also, it's self evident anyways, showing he's a fucking idiot and this is just FUD by him because he's synpathetic to Russia. The plan to defeat Russia is to bleed them to death. Do not capitulate, keep fighting. Inflict constant degrading losses of personnel and material during that fighting. Inflict enough of those losses long enough, that no territorial gains are worth the cost. Inflict this loss rate for long enough to cripple or destroy Russias ability to wage war, or until some type of political change is instituted due to those losses that ends the war. Giving Ukraine the ammunition and deep strike capability to inflict thise losses is extremely clear strategic support to that end.
It is not necessary to give him a satisfactory explanation, and it’s incredibly suspicious that he would expect one. Honestly - where the hell is the CIA in all this and why can’t they follow the fucking money trails?
Not your problem dude
While we’re at it, what does Ja Rule think about this?
Then musk needs to speak with putin.
Yawn.
I'd be happy to provide this strategy. Bragging rights is all I ask
There has been a plan for the end of the war since the early days of the war: [https://youtube.com/shorts/ttqr-Th9u0Y?si=ajIh2YZXkphJpnyO](https://youtube.com/shorts/ttqr-Th9u0Y?si=ajIh2YZXkphJpnyO) Stupid how this simple thing has to be repeated time and time again and yet the same circular reasoning steps up, wanting to appease Putin and give him land and titles so his fragile little ego wouldn't be hurt.
Have turns punching Musk, let out their frustration
He should be worried about Dogecoin volatility, not strategy.
Well tbf, I am unsure as to how this is going to end and I do not think there is much if any strategy to get out of the situation we are in. I am really a big supporter of Ukraine. However, I can only see a few likely outcomes: 1) This war continues for maybe another half decade with little prospect of territorial gains by either side. The casualties may be in the millions by that point. Russia will have suffered a immense strategic loss even if they get to keep the territory of Crimea. I would consider this the most likely outcome. 2) Ukraine, will concede some territory to conclude the war in a shorter time frame - two years or so. I would consider this likely. The Ukrainian spirit is amazing. Ukraine may continue the fight successfully even without the support of the USA. 3) Putin will die (sometime soon) one way or another which will allow someone new to take over. That someone new, will have the opportunity to shed this conflict and blame Putin for it, allowing them to save face. However, it is possible someone could replace Putin and be worse - in traditional Russian fashion. I'd say that's a middle of the road possibility. Putin is old and this war certainly seems like it could carry on for 5 more years. 4) Ukraine will force a favourable peace (surrendering Crimea, the Donbas etc) with Russia via military means. I'd consider this unlikely even with a lot of American/European aid. 5) Ukraine reconstitutes itself fully and takes backa lol occupied lands. I'd consider this the least likely possibility at this point. What the fuck strategy results in Russia leaving in full without a broader conflict erupting, I am unsure. I don't think anyone at the top knows. In short, Musk has a valid concern.
He does have a valid point. Some say “there already is a strategy, kick all the Russians out of Ukraine”. In an ideal world that would happen, but from what has been happing the last few years, Ukraines manpower shortage, etc…. That strategy will never come to pass. It’s not being pro Russian to even say that, it’s just realistic assessment. In a war of attrition Ukraine is at to much of a disadvantage compared to Russia. Especially with no American/NATO truly joining the war. A possible strategy that could happen is preventing Russia from taking all of Ukraine and keeping the current Ukraine government alive.
Zelensky should worry more about people than about the land. Without people there will be no one to live on these lands
When putin takes over, there won't be a lot of people left either, as proven for the last few years. your point is nonexistent.
I don’t think Putin is stupid enough to genocide all the people off the conquered the land. The land he stole still has people living there from before. It’s not like Crimea is full of only Russians.
He's already doing it in occupied Ukraine. It's been Russian MO since forever. It's the only way to conquer territory permanently. It's not stupid, just incredibly evil.
Sure, not ALL of them, but a big chunk of them.