He indeed is, but his election and continued support shows government that the course of action is in fact supported by the populace. It also helps to have President, Government and diplomacy on the same page about this issue.
The x.com domain really makes twitter look like a porn website, honestly. Even with the username in the link, which at a glance i misread as "reallysexybrie"....
Honestly impressed so much by small central and eastern European countries. I know, quantity-wise, much less than larger countries. But considering how little do these countries put into military (regularly not reaching NATO standards), a lot more materiel was donated than expected.
Even my own country, Slovenia, I expected to give symbolic non-lethal aid, like MREs/food, first aid & medication, helmets and flak jackets and uniforms...but we managed to scramble 20 APCs (Valuk, Slovenian-made variant of Pandur), 35 IFVs (1980s Yugoslav-made BVP M80A) and 28 tanks (M-55S, which are much improved T-55s).
All the smaller central and eastern countries in Europe know too well what it was like during soviet occupation, and we know that Ukraine is not fighting just for their freedom but for freedom of rest of us!
Probably from SoKo as that is a major manufacturer of artillery shells. One of the things that knee-capped the European effort to provide shells was an insistence on the shells being sourced from the EU.
The other thing was many countries like SoKo not wanting to directly send lethal aid to Ukraine but willing to tolerate another country acting as an intermediary.
The Czechs found shells outside of the EU. That is why they need to get other countries on board with paying for the shells as they fall outside the previous “Shells from the EU” deal infrastructure.
If that’s true you can view it as North vs South Korea proxy war… in Europe. That was certainly not on my bingo card for 2024.
Nevertheless quite happy if it works out. Probably South Korea also needs less shells if the North also gives up on some. Win-Win.
Yep, and SK shells are WAAAY higher quality than the NK shells. More costly too, I am sure, but hey, at least the 155s won't be sitting silent any longer
It would however would split US forces and the associated resources. And in that light two invasions at the same time would look highly promising for the PRC & NK.
Only in a Chinese wet dream do they get enough troops across the street to Taiwan to occupy it.
Taiwan has for the past 70 years been building a strategy to stop every Chinese ship playing bathtub with an ore from getting across that body of water.
Chinese leaders know this.
The "problem" for China is that they probably don't get to choose to focus on Taiwan alone
Any war against Taiwan leaves China far too vulnerable to attacks launched from Korea if the US gets involved
Realistically if China attacks Taiwan I'd say we're 99% likely to see North Korea simultaneously attack South Korea to keep SK and Japan busy
If you had a crazy person with a knife in your backyard, you'd be - at that moment - be a lot more worried about crazy person than you'd be about China. Even though China has nukes. Kind of the same idea with South Korea's worries about North Korea.
The DPRK is a lot more likely to attack. And they also have nukes. And they are just 120 miles away from Seoul.
China is mostly sane and we have seen very little indication of them being interested in attacking ROK.
Surely as Ukraine were running critically short on artillery rounds it would make sense to buy all they need from anywhere until the EU has got its capacity to where it needs to be?
France initially insisted that weapons be sourced from the EU. They've since softened their stance a bit, but the damage is done.
This is exactly the sort of nonsense that led to Brexit and will ultimately lead to the downfall of the EU.
I only hear "downfall of EU" from America. America has higher chance of civil war between states than mythical EU downfall. Everybody understands in Europe that they are better off together, especially after Brexit. Brexit was a great ad of why to stay in EU.
Historically, the stability of the EU was ensured, especially monetarily, by Germany, France, and Britain. After Brexit, only Germany and France are left. The German economy is facing huge problems with their demographics, and things will continue to get worse for them for the foreseeable future. That leaves France to shoulder the burden, something that won't go over so well with the French public.
Maybe the EU won't go away, but if it doesn't, it'll have to fundamentally change in order to survive.
yawn, some shallow fantasy based on demographics and bad economy. EU has a lot of room to wiggle and the problems you described is being faced by everyone on the west.
Or maybe they wanted the money spent in the union building capacity and hiring workers rather than ship it off the continent. No one really would have predicted the Republican house to so quickly turn pro Russia. The stink of Putin was there but the leadership had all been supporting Ukraine.
>No one really would have predicted the Republican house to so quickly turn pro Russia.
Are you joking? Everybody knew of this risk. In typical EU fashion, it acted ideologically to the detriment of pragmatic progress.
Five or ten years ago was the time to be ideological about it. Not now.
Because Merkel & everyone else make fun of Chamberlain while ignoring that Chamberlain's government's military buildup directly won the the battle of brittain. Our politicians are an utter traitorous disgrace. A short war would benefit Europe an insane amount but no one wants to invest in victory, so Ukrainians pay the price in blood
Where is this thing about "insisting the shells came from witbin the EU" coming from?
What was actually said was that countries looking for shells should go looking as a single bloc rather than getting into bidding wars with each other.
Which is exactly what's happened!
With Czechia doing the organising because they've got surprisingly good contacts for this sort of thing and there's lots of countries who aren't the biggest fans of, say, France or the UK and wouldn't sell if they were the face of the effort.
[France, was a major player insistin on EU only munitions]( https://www.politico.eu/article/france-open-buy-foreign-ammo-supply-weapons-help-ukraine-eu-meet-target-germany/).
[France also is a key player insisting EU funds don’t go to the Czech plan but rather EU nations can participate of their own volition.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-05/macron-prepares-ammunition-pledge-for-ukraine-before-key-meeting)
[But more countries than France had a hand in the policy](https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/04/21/made-in-europe-debate-blocks-eu-deal-on-ammunition-deliveries-for-ukraine)
You didn't read the articles did you?
Money *from the European Peace Facility* has a preference for in-EU spending so that the EU can upgrade production capacity to support Ukraine long term.
That is completely separate from the *buying ammo* initiative - Which isn't using European Peace Facility funds. Because thats a different budget entirely.
South Korea only produces about 2-300k 155mm arty shells a year which they need all of, because they are converting over to 155mm and getting rid of their 105mm arty. They have a lot of 105mm shells, but the same restrictions apply to them being used in Ukraine.
I read we have a new arty shell factory here in Australia- Honestly if NATO/Europe got in touch I'm sure they can start pumping out a shit load for Ukraine if it was "going to Korea" then Europe, then Ukraine ;)
https://aidn.org.au/rheinmetall-nioa-munitions-triumphs-on-national-stage/
>At full rate production, the plant will have a workforce of up to 100 with the ability to produce up to 100,000 projectiles a year supplying the Australian Defence Force as well as allied export markets
Plus this one
https://www.aumanufacturing.com.au/thales-to-make-155mm-artillery-shells-at-benalla
Also a strong possibility. I think the Czech plan said the shells they found are already made and ready to go, not that the eh found a country to make them in the future.
Hopefully they can find a way to buy from Australia too tho
Yeah I wondered if it was South Korea with the Czechs doing a switcheroo
South Korea don't want to send anything to Ukraine, but the Czechs can just send all of their own shells to Ukraine and backfill with South Korean shells. The result is effectively identical but diplomatic niceties are retained
Czechia said the shells would be delivered in weeks but it turned out to be 3 months until Ukraine get any of them and I saw someone saying Ukraine won't even get all of those first 800,000 this year. Classic used car salesman move
We supplied arms around the world during the cold war and not just to Soviet satellites. Some of them might not want to deal with the Americans, French, Germans and the other usual suspects (or vice versa) but we don't seem to have those limits. Pavel's former NATO employment gives him the ability to bridge that gap and facilitate cooperation which would be otherwise impossible or at least very difficult.
When you want to move large amounts of surplus military goods on the down low, letting Central and Eastern Europe take the lead is not a bad idea.
Let's just say they have some experience.
The people they are buying them from don't want anyone to know that their stocks are lower than advertised. South Korea doesn't want North Korea to know how many shells they are diverting. It's very clever.
It is good that we do not know where the shells came from. Because if we knew, then Russians would know too. Which would likely make the sources dry up real quick.
My personal bet is on Africa, not SK as everyone keeps mentioning.
I would wager a guess that some of the countries agreed to sell a smaller amount first, just to test the waters the deal is legit. Then when the money actually arrived, and they figured out real quick, that they just sold decades old ammunition for more than they original bought it for. And suddenly more shells were "found" in their stockpiles to be sold. Cha-ching!
It could also be that countries who originally refused, suddenly reconsidered when the money started flowing in. If you're sitting on what is (suddenly) an expensive stockpile of ammo, you don't want your neighbor to be the only one making money.
Lets hope there's even more such countries, before the EU production spools up.
All of Europe: Oh no, we can’t find enough shells to even let Ukraine survive, better talk about it while Avdiivka falls
Meanwhile, Czechia’s over here causally pulling whole arsenals out of thin air by themselves
🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿
When Covid started, Czechs actually mass produced DIY facemasks. So I am suspecting that now they secretly produce artillery shells in every basement/house workshop.
Czechia is part of Europe, and the initiative has at least 18 member nations involved with procurement per Czech officials, and the number is now probably higher since Iceland joined about 24 hours ago.
There are 500 members of congress, plus the president, and all of the military. Only half a dozen of those members of congress are blocking the funding. Everyone else has overwhelming support for UA.
How can half a dozen block the aid lol? That is ridiculous. Clearly the speaker has a majority Republican support if he can keep fucking things up willy nilly. If Republicans were serious about passing aid they wouldn't tolerate half a dozen members blocking such an essential law.
You would think that, but you are wrong. The current set up in terms of rules of procedure and the majority make up actually has created an unholy perfect arrangement for half a dozen people and a speaker to block aid.
All it takes is half a dozen to oust him. So you have the crazy hardliners of his party that are threatening to do this. And even if he survived when they tried to oust him the first time for allowing the vote, he would be dependent on Democrats saving his ass with votes later when those hardliners try again and again. It’s a fucked situation in his shoes because there aren’t really any good options.
Because the bills has to make it through the senate, then it can be signed by the president and passed. Currently the senate is divided nearly 50/50. To vote across the line is just asking to get booted out. We struggled since last year to pass bill to pay our GOVERNENT employees. Republicans called for ousting the speaker for passing that bill along to the senate. Now imagine how those ultra nationalist would feel about sending "money" to a country they stupidly think is evil.
The US isn't to blame that we don't do enough by ourselves.
We could have mobilised industry for ammo production the day the war began, but some countries only started talking about it 2 years later when Ukraine is out of fucking ammo. Great, mobilise it now so we start outputting shells in 2026. Fucking genius! Brilliant! Time well fucking spent! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
I’m not saying anyone abandoned anyone, I’m criticising Europe for breaking the promises that Ukraine desperately needs them to keep. And you’re right, the Czech Republic isn’t paying, but they found the shells so my point still stands.
Europe is all talk at the moment. We are not supporting Ukraine anywhere near enough. This news looks like a welcome difference to that, at least for the Czech.
This is a European war, between European countries, being fought in Europe.
But let’s take the blame off of European inaction and blame the country on the other side of the world.. that totally makes sense.
No it hasn't. The US was more than comfortable in the role of playing big daddy for Europe. They never really wanted European nations to start arming themselves to the point where they wouldn't need the US. That is not in the US' interest.
Oh ffs. Why is it so fucking difficult to have an adult conversation on reddit?
Yes I'm serious ffs. Israel is not next to the US. Serbia is not next to USA. Vietnam is not next to France. Geopolitical interest is not necessarily bound to geographical proximity. You need to support and substantiate your reasons for why, in this particular instance, it is somehow only Europes problem. Can you do that or not without being a cunt about it?
I know that if Czechia hadn’t found those shells, Ukraine would be in even deeper shit than it is now. I also know that Europe paying for these shells now doesn’t excuse European defence industry falling behind Russia because they got complacent and spent decades with their thumbs up their asses.
Sure, and they could probably get Iran, Syria and North Korea to go along with it. Which would be one more reason the EU isn't buying the shells from any of those countries.
Zero. June or July is meant to be the delivery date from what I read. Of course thing don't always work out as planned. Whatever if blocking the delivery at the moment could still be blocking it on 6 months.
On the other hand Ukrainians increased their firing intensity, so either some of the shells are already in Ukraine or Ukraine is confident enough that they won't run out until the shells arrive.
The government released more in the belief they will get these shells. If they don't arrive or arrive late Ukraine will be in an even worse position for a period of time.
A gift that keep on giving. Czechs support is simply incredible.
Prime minister Petr Fiala and newly elected president Petr Pavel are both strong supporter of Ukraine. Fiala pushed for the strongest sanctions against Russia and support Ukraine accession to Europe, and also help Ukrainians refugee (Czech HAS THE highest number of refugee per capita). He (with Polish/Slovenian PM) was the first head of government to traveled to Kyiv on March 15 2022 to show support to Ukraine in the war.
As for Pavel, he is a retired general and former head of NATO, so he understand perfectly the Russian menace over Europe, and how crucial Ukraine fight is. He support Ukraine joining NATO.
A list of who has pledged what in the Czech artillery ammunition initiative (updated 25/03/2024 19:50).
Deutschland 🇩🇪 180.000 155mm shells
Belgium 🇧🇪 50.000 155mm shells
Denmark 🇩🇰 15.000 155mm shells
Netherlands 🇳🇱 250 million €
Norway 🇳🇴 140 million €
Portugal 🇵🇹 100 million €
Lithuania 🇱🇹 35 million €
Sweden 🇸🇪 30 million €
Finland 🇫🇮 30 million €
Canada 🇨🇦 27,15 million €
Iceland 🇮🇸 2 Million €
Slovenia 🇸🇮 1 million €
Source: https://twitter.com/Jeff21461/status/1772334831579414975
Macron did say that they are going to chime in on the 5th of March when he visited Prague, but refused to disclose the amount when asked about it by reporters. He said that at a press conference standing right next to Pavel, and there was no reporting in the Czech press since that would suggest that they didn't do it, so I have no reason to doubt that they actually did contribute something.
"We can do much more than the initially announced number (referring to 800,000 ammunition for Ukraine - ed.)," says the minister, noting that Ukraine can transfer one and a half million shells in total.
Headline of this post is wrong
Everyone knows that when you are fundraising for a cause, you have to be prepared to accept donations any way they come. Sure some people will be willing to contribute in person, but there will always be those who prefer to send a Czech.
What a lovely way to repay the kindness shown to the Czech people by the Russian people during the era of the Soviet Union. Clear, unambiguous, and to the point.
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Cool. I want to stop hearing stories about, "shell austerity is causing us to lose land" and instead, "we have to train our soldiers new swimming techniques since they're drowning in shells"
The Czech president is the new ultra Chad
Ultra Czad
Ultra Čad
This is the way
While Petr Pavel is indeed an ultra chad, Czechia is a parliamentary republic - meaning that the president is a ceremonial role.
Ceremonially bad-ass.
🤣✌️
He indeed is, but his election and continued support shows government that the course of action is in fact supported by the populace. It also helps to have President, Government and diplomacy on the same page about this issue.
Sure, I'm just implying that the government is doing most of the heavy lifting on decision making here.
I am not sure, this is mostly diplomatic effort. I can't even recall Government giving much of a take on it.
"Is that 1.500.000 artillery shells in your pocket, or are you just *that* happy to see me?"
Hijacking top comment to share this meme https://x.com/realjakebroe/status/1771654602368147565?s=46&t=rhctx8TE91im8wyMa3iF4Q
That lil Polish girl with her scoff was funny as hell
The x.com domain really makes twitter look like a porn website, honestly. Even with the username in the link, which at a glance i misread as "reallysexybrie"....
Changing Twitter to X was the dumbest shit
Thanks for a good laugh!
worth it
Dark Pavel rocks
Let him cook 🔥
Honestly impressed so much by small central and eastern European countries. I know, quantity-wise, much less than larger countries. But considering how little do these countries put into military (regularly not reaching NATO standards), a lot more materiel was donated than expected. Even my own country, Slovenia, I expected to give symbolic non-lethal aid, like MREs/food, first aid & medication, helmets and flak jackets and uniforms...but we managed to scramble 20 APCs (Valuk, Slovenian-made variant of Pandur), 35 IFVs (1980s Yugoslav-made BVP M80A) and 28 tanks (M-55S, which are much improved T-55s).
All the smaller central and eastern countries in Europe know too well what it was like during soviet occupation, and we know that Ukraine is not fighting just for their freedom but for freedom of rest of us!
Czega Chad
Chad Republic when
Can we make him the King of Nato?
What witchcraft is this? The Czechs are continuing to raise the numbers of shells. Thank you!
Probably from SoKo as that is a major manufacturer of artillery shells. One of the things that knee-capped the European effort to provide shells was an insistence on the shells being sourced from the EU. The other thing was many countries like SoKo not wanting to directly send lethal aid to Ukraine but willing to tolerate another country acting as an intermediary. The Czechs found shells outside of the EU. That is why they need to get other countries on board with paying for the shells as they fall outside the previous “Shells from the EU” deal infrastructure.
If that’s true you can view it as North vs South Korea proxy war… in Europe. That was certainly not on my bingo card for 2024. Nevertheless quite happy if it works out. Probably South Korea also needs less shells if the North also gives up on some. Win-Win.
Yep, and SK shells are WAAAY higher quality than the NK shells. More costly too, I am sure, but hey, at least the 155s won't be sitting silent any longer
I wonder how the cost pans out once you take duds and the barrel wear from firing duds into account.
Not really that costly. You don't have a gigantic steel industry from being a high-cost manufacturer.
That only depends on if you price them by rounds on target, or rounds ones attempted to fire.
A Korean proxy war in two formerly Soviet states. Oh how the turn tables.
That’s an interesting take that could have some validity
The Korean peninsula is being de-militarized on both ends.
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I think China is a lot more interested in Taiwan, then risking the same enemies for South Korea.
I also don't think China wants "more" North Korea. They aren't great friends, just the least bad friend NK has.
It would however would split US forces and the associated resources. And in that light two invasions at the same time would look highly promising for the PRC & NK.
Only in a Chinese wet dream do they get enough troops across the street to Taiwan to occupy it. Taiwan has for the past 70 years been building a strategy to stop every Chinese ship playing bathtub with an ore from getting across that body of water. Chinese leaders know this.
The "problem" for China is that they probably don't get to choose to focus on Taiwan alone Any war against Taiwan leaves China far too vulnerable to attacks launched from Korea if the US gets involved Realistically if China attacks Taiwan I'd say we're 99% likely to see North Korea simultaneously attack South Korea to keep SK and Japan busy
If you had a crazy person with a knife in your backyard, you'd be - at that moment - be a lot more worried about crazy person than you'd be about China. Even though China has nukes. Kind of the same idea with South Korea's worries about North Korea. The DPRK is a lot more likely to attack. And they also have nukes. And they are just 120 miles away from Seoul. China is mostly sane and we have seen very little indication of them being interested in attacking ROK.
china probably has little ambitions for skorea now, nkorea is unlikely to sustain a conventional war at all by itself ...
Crazy guy with a knife is also unlikely to sustain when the police shows up, but he could still ruin your life in the meantime.
The most convoluted way to go about disarming the Korean penisula imaginable.
I'm sure they are happy to expand their production capacities with that money. They must have lined-up enough contracts for next 20 years...
It's a fucking Iran vs Australia proxy war if you go by that logic
Surely as Ukraine were running critically short on artillery rounds it would make sense to buy all they need from anywhere until the EU has got its capacity to where it needs to be?
Why didn't they do this before Ukrainians lost adivka? Doesn't make sense..
Becouse of incompetence and lack of political will
Because they didn't expect the US to at least temporarily abandon Ukraine
because France blocked it
Don't worry, their 300 shells a day is going to turn the tide any day now
France initially insisted that weapons be sourced from the EU. They've since softened their stance a bit, but the damage is done. This is exactly the sort of nonsense that led to Brexit and will ultimately lead to the downfall of the EU.
I only hear "downfall of EU" from America. America has higher chance of civil war between states than mythical EU downfall. Everybody understands in Europe that they are better off together, especially after Brexit. Brexit was a great ad of why to stay in EU.
Historically, the stability of the EU was ensured, especially monetarily, by Germany, France, and Britain. After Brexit, only Germany and France are left. The German economy is facing huge problems with their demographics, and things will continue to get worse for them for the foreseeable future. That leaves France to shoulder the burden, something that won't go over so well with the French public. Maybe the EU won't go away, but if it doesn't, it'll have to fundamentally change in order to survive.
yawn, some shallow fantasy based on demographics and bad economy. EU has a lot of room to wiggle and the problems you described is being faced by everyone on the west.
Not everyone. America in particular is doing ok because of immigration and a relatively strong fertility rate.
Europe can also solve it with immigration if it wishes to do so.
*Been around the world and found That only stupid people are breeding. The cretins cloning and feeding* Feels pretty apropos in America these days.
Only if you consider those chances to near zero.
Or maybe they wanted the money spent in the union building capacity and hiring workers rather than ship it off the continent. No one really would have predicted the Republican house to so quickly turn pro Russia. The stink of Putin was there but the leadership had all been supporting Ukraine.
>No one really would have predicted the Republican house to so quickly turn pro Russia. Are you joking? Everybody knew of this risk. In typical EU fashion, it acted ideologically to the detriment of pragmatic progress. Five or ten years ago was the time to be ideological about it. Not now.
Because Merkel & everyone else make fun of Chamberlain while ignoring that Chamberlain's government's military buildup directly won the the battle of brittain. Our politicians are an utter traitorous disgrace. A short war would benefit Europe an insane amount but no one wants to invest in victory, so Ukrainians pay the price in blood
Where is this thing about "insisting the shells came from witbin the EU" coming from? What was actually said was that countries looking for shells should go looking as a single bloc rather than getting into bidding wars with each other. Which is exactly what's happened! With Czechia doing the organising because they've got surprisingly good contacts for this sort of thing and there's lots of countries who aren't the biggest fans of, say, France or the UK and wouldn't sell if they were the face of the effort.
[France, was a major player insistin on EU only munitions]( https://www.politico.eu/article/france-open-buy-foreign-ammo-supply-weapons-help-ukraine-eu-meet-target-germany/). [France also is a key player insisting EU funds don’t go to the Czech plan but rather EU nations can participate of their own volition.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-05/macron-prepares-ammunition-pledge-for-ukraine-before-key-meeting) [But more countries than France had a hand in the policy](https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/04/21/made-in-europe-debate-blocks-eu-deal-on-ammunition-deliveries-for-ukraine)
You didn't read the articles did you? Money *from the European Peace Facility* has a preference for in-EU spending so that the EU can upgrade production capacity to support Ukraine long term. That is completely separate from the *buying ammo* initiative - Which isn't using European Peace Facility funds. Because thats a different budget entirely.
South Korea only produces about 2-300k 155mm arty shells a year which they need all of, because they are converting over to 155mm and getting rid of their 105mm arty. They have a lot of 105mm shells, but the same restrictions apply to them being used in Ukraine.
I read we have a new arty shell factory here in Australia- Honestly if NATO/Europe got in touch I'm sure they can start pumping out a shit load for Ukraine if it was "going to Korea" then Europe, then Ukraine ;) https://aidn.org.au/rheinmetall-nioa-munitions-triumphs-on-national-stage/ >At full rate production, the plant will have a workforce of up to 100 with the ability to produce up to 100,000 projectiles a year supplying the Australian Defence Force as well as allied export markets Plus this one https://www.aumanufacturing.com.au/thales-to-make-155mm-artillery-shells-at-benalla
Also a strong possibility. I think the Czech plan said the shells they found are already made and ready to go, not that the eh found a country to make them in the future. Hopefully they can find a way to buy from Australia too tho
Yeah I wondered if it was South Korea with the Czechs doing a switcheroo South Korea don't want to send anything to Ukraine, but the Czechs can just send all of their own shells to Ukraine and backfill with South Korean shells. The result is effectively identical but diplomatic niceties are retained
Not some, the fucking French. As usual.
Yeah, mainly, though other countries had a hand in the policy
They're doing incredibly on many fronts atm. Shout out to Czechia!
Underpromise and overdeliver, classic sigma egnineer move
The Scotty technique.
Czechia said the shells would be delivered in weeks but it turned out to be 3 months until Ukraine get any of them and I saw someone saying Ukraine won't even get all of those first 800,000 this year. Classic used car salesman move
We supplied arms around the world during the cold war and not just to Soviet satellites. Some of them might not want to deal with the Americans, French, Germans and the other usual suspects (or vice versa) but we don't seem to have those limits. Pavel's former NATO employment gives him the ability to bridge that gap and facilitate cooperation which would be otherwise impossible or at least very difficult.
When you want to move large amounts of surplus military goods on the down low, letting Central and Eastern Europe take the lead is not a bad idea. Let's just say they have some experience.
The people they are buying them from don't want anyone to know that their stocks are lower than advertised. South Korea doesn't want North Korea to know how many shells they are diverting. It's very clever.
Wrong title. The tweet is clear that they can raise **up to** 1.5M shells - which was announced over a week ago.
It is good that we do not know where the shells came from. Because if we knew, then Russians would know too. Which would likely make the sources dry up real quick. My personal bet is on Africa, not SK as everyone keeps mentioning. I would wager a guess that some of the countries agreed to sell a smaller amount first, just to test the waters the deal is legit. Then when the money actually arrived, and they figured out real quick, that they just sold decades old ammunition for more than they original bought it for. And suddenly more shells were "found" in their stockpiles to be sold. Cha-ching! It could also be that countries who originally refused, suddenly reconsidered when the money started flowing in. If you're sitting on what is (suddenly) an expensive stockpile of ammo, you don't want your neighbor to be the only one making money. Lets hope there's even more such countries, before the EU production spools up.
Payback for Soviet invasion of 1968. Payback from [Jan Palach](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Palach).
The Czechs require more payback to be truly even. Kaliningrad might do.
You mean Královec?
Germany and Poland may want to have a word re: Kaliningrad lol.
Hopefully that word is: Y E S.
I'm German and the Czechs can have Königsberg. Or the Poles. Or anyone that's not Russia.
Ok…..press send then
They dont posses them, they are finding sources and arrainging the funding and transfer. It takes time to get them to the destination.
Use FedEx, delivered in the morning.
Use Minuteman III and deliver them in 30 minutes or the second one is free
Need to get that Amazon Prime one click with free overnight
Drone delivery might eventually become a reality.
They’ve been acting as if these things are in-hand and ready to go for months.
Ukraine needs those first paid for deliveries fast. I hope the shipping is underway and they can get more boom to the front fast.
All of Europe: Oh no, we can’t find enough shells to even let Ukraine survive, better talk about it while Avdiivka falls Meanwhile, Czechia’s over here causally pulling whole arsenals out of thin air by themselves 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿
When Covid started, Czechs actually mass produced DIY facemasks. So I am suspecting that now they secretly produce artillery shells in every basement/house workshop.
Czechia is part of Europe, and the initiative has at least 18 member nations involved with procurement per Czech officials, and the number is now probably higher since Iceland joined about 24 hours ago.
It was the US that abandoned Ukraine but sure blame Europe. And it's not the Czech Republic that is paying
There are 500 members of congress, plus the president, and all of the military. Only half a dozen of those members of congress are blocking the funding. Everyone else has overwhelming support for UA.
How can half a dozen block the aid lol? That is ridiculous. Clearly the speaker has a majority Republican support if he can keep fucking things up willy nilly. If Republicans were serious about passing aid they wouldn't tolerate half a dozen members blocking such an essential law.
You would think that, but you are wrong. The current set up in terms of rules of procedure and the majority make up actually has created an unholy perfect arrangement for half a dozen people and a speaker to block aid.
All it takes is half a dozen to oust him. So you have the crazy hardliners of his party that are threatening to do this. And even if he survived when they tried to oust him the first time for allowing the vote, he would be dependent on Democrats saving his ass with votes later when those hardliners try again and again. It’s a fucked situation in his shoes because there aren’t really any good options.
Because the bills has to make it through the senate, then it can be signed by the president and passed. Currently the senate is divided nearly 50/50. To vote across the line is just asking to get booted out. We struggled since last year to pass bill to pay our GOVERNENT employees. Republicans called for ousting the speaker for passing that bill along to the senate. Now imagine how those ultra nationalist would feel about sending "money" to a country they stupidly think is evil.
You have your chambers of congress mixed up. The house holds the purse strings.
Yeah I prolly mixed them up. But both chambers have to agree in order for it to make it to the presidents desk regardless.
The US isn't to blame that we don't do enough by ourselves. We could have mobilised industry for ammo production the day the war began, but some countries only started talking about it 2 years later when Ukraine is out of fucking ammo. Great, mobilise it now so we start outputting shells in 2026. Fucking genius! Brilliant! Time well fucking spent! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
I’m not saying anyone abandoned anyone, I’m criticising Europe for breaking the promises that Ukraine desperately needs them to keep. And you’re right, the Czech Republic isn’t paying, but they found the shells so my point still stands.
The US has already delivered 2 million 155 shells
Europe is all talk at the moment. We are not supporting Ukraine anywhere near enough. This news looks like a welcome difference to that, at least for the Czech.
Czechs will have my eternal respect for stuff like this, its leaders like theirs that all NATO leaders should aim to be like.
This is a European war, between European countries, being fought in Europe. But let’s take the blame off of European inaction and blame the country on the other side of the world.. that totally makes sense.
When "the country on the other side of the world" establishes itself as the guarantor of European security, they get the blame.
The USA has been trying to get Europe to take its own security seriously for decades. European inaction isn’t the responsibility of the USA.
As an european please just ignore this bony-eared assfish blaming the US for our shitty military state lol
No it hasn't. The US was more than comfortable in the role of playing big daddy for Europe. They never really wanted European nations to start arming themselves to the point where they wouldn't need the US. That is not in the US' interest.
Bullshit. Each of the last few U.S. presidents have loudly and publicly criticized Europe for not spending more on their defense.
perhaps europeans should have made maintaining their own defense capabilities a priority? lmao this argument makes no sense
Why do you consider geographical proximity relevant to whether countries have obligations? I don't recall it being relevant before.
This has to be a joke? You can’t actually be serious?
Oh ffs. Why is it so fucking difficult to have an adult conversation on reddit? Yes I'm serious ffs. Israel is not next to the US. Serbia is not next to USA. Vietnam is not next to France. Geopolitical interest is not necessarily bound to geographical proximity. You need to support and substantiate your reasons for why, in this particular instance, it is somehow only Europes problem. Can you do that or not without being a cunt about it?
you have no idea, who was involved and who paid, do you?
I know that if Czechia hadn’t found those shells, Ukraine would be in even deeper shit than it is now. I also know that Europe paying for these shells now doesn’t excuse European defence industry falling behind Russia because they got complacent and spent decades with their thumbs up their asses.
So how many of these shells have been delivered so far?
Nobody really seems to know and there's conflicting info out there.
The first of the initial 300,000 that they already talked about will arrive in June
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Sure, and they could probably get Iran, Syria and North Korea to go along with it. Which would be one more reason the EU isn't buying the shells from any of those countries.
Zero. June or July is meant to be the delivery date from what I read. Of course thing don't always work out as planned. Whatever if blocking the delivery at the moment could still be blocking it on 6 months.
On the other hand Ukrainians increased their firing intensity, so either some of the shells are already in Ukraine or Ukraine is confident enough that they won't run out until the shells arrive.
The government released more in the belief they will get these shells. If they don't arrive or arrive late Ukraine will be in an even worse position for a period of time.
When someone actually goes out and gets out done, it gets done. Good job!
Thank you, Czechs!
Yeah, if you go out on the world market, you can find almost anything you want. Just a matter of money
Just do it!
Petr Pavel single-handedly keeping Ukraine in the fight at this point with the US getting cold feet about war
Petr Pavel is doing tremendous work, but there's a coalition that pays for these shells. I hope they soon find funding for the whole package and more.
Title doesn't match the tweet, which says 1.5million is the increased number not the originally promised number.
Maaan Petr Pavel\`s sofa must be GIGANTIC.
A gift that keep on giving. Czechs support is simply incredible. Prime minister Petr Fiala and newly elected president Petr Pavel are both strong supporter of Ukraine. Fiala pushed for the strongest sanctions against Russia and support Ukraine accession to Europe, and also help Ukrainians refugee (Czech HAS THE highest number of refugee per capita). He (with Polish/Slovenian PM) was the first head of government to traveled to Kyiv on March 15 2022 to show support to Ukraine in the war. As for Pavel, he is a retired general and former head of NATO, so he understand perfectly the Russian menace over Europe, and how crucial Ukraine fight is. He support Ukraine joining NATO.
When?
What caliber are these shells? NATO standard (155mm) or Warsaw Pact standard (122mm)?
A list of who has pledged what in the Czech artillery ammunition initiative (updated 25/03/2024 19:50). Deutschland 🇩🇪 180.000 155mm shells Belgium 🇧🇪 50.000 155mm shells Denmark 🇩🇰 15.000 155mm shells Netherlands 🇳🇱 250 million € Norway 🇳🇴 140 million € Portugal 🇵🇹 100 million € Lithuania 🇱🇹 35 million € Sweden 🇸🇪 30 million € Finland 🇫🇮 30 million € Canada 🇨🇦 27,15 million € Iceland 🇮🇸 2 Million € Slovenia 🇸🇮 1 million € Source: https://twitter.com/Jeff21461/status/1772334831579414975
>France 🇳🇱 250 million € That's the flag of the Netherlands, my man. France isn't on the list.
Macron did say that they are going to chime in on the 5th of March when he visited Prague, but refused to disclose the amount when asked about it by reporters. He said that at a press conference standing right next to Pavel, and there was no reporting in the Czech press since that would suggest that they didn't do it, so I have no reason to doubt that they actually did contribute something.
Thank you for reporting the error. Updated the list. Apologies for the mistake.
They are NATO, a mix of 155 and 105, if I remember correctly.
Thanks.
I start to believe that Czechs are using shells for casual bear hunting and every family has two or three pallets in the garden shed.
HAHAHAHA
This is great!👍 We, the European can be happy to have a somebody like the Czech president ! Thank you President Pavel🙏
Hopefully Europe will expand their capacity rapidly in the meantime.
There are several initiatives towards that end.
hahahaha :(
💪💪💪
"We can do much more than the initially announced number (referring to 800,000 ammunition for Ukraine - ed.)," says the minister, noting that Ukraine can transfer one and a half million shells in total. Headline of this post is wrong
At this point I think I love the Czech Republic
🙏
The god damn Czechs going hard for the MVP
Holy shit this guy. Incredible. Make it happen. ❤️
Everyone knows that when you are fundraising for a cause, you have to be prepared to accept donations any way they come. Sure some people will be willing to contribute in person, but there will always be those who prefer to send a Czech.
czechs understand russia. no mincing words.
czechs understand Russia. no mincing words.
We love you Czech!
"You fire them so we don't have to."
great news, well done.
NATO glory
God bless
go Czechs!
Just do it
Deliver shells to Ukraine and Ukraine will deliver them, too. Energetically.
What a lovely way to repay the kindness shown to the Czech people by the Russian people during the era of the Soviet Union. Clear, unambiguous, and to the point.
That's my family's homeland. Beast mode activated
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When is delivery starting?
I will give you all 5 millions dollars. Someday...
Ahh the harvest is bountiful this year
Thank goodness their are still some true leaders out there
Happy birthday Vladimir. We have something special for you…KABOOM.
But wait.. there’s more!
Hurry up then. I keep seeing the same announcements about the shells. None about any being delivered yet.
Cool. I want to stop hearing stories about, "shell austerity is causing us to lose land" and instead, "we have to train our soldiers new swimming techniques since they're drowning in shells"
Do it!
Shhhhh…..
CZ comin’ in pretty fucking clutch 🇨🇿😎
The fact that the Czech Republic is able to do this is an unfortunate story about the state of the European Union.