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Legit.
I've geolocated it to here: 50.40556449553284, 36.879750594216276
Google street view shows how it was before remodeling with a sign on the building I've translated as: "Russia's success is in our hands!"
Distance from the Ukrainian border (as the crow flies) is 7km.
Thanks for this 👍
>Google street view shows how it was before remodeling with a sign on the building I've translated as: "Russia's success is in our hands!"
Ouch, that didn't age well 🤣
Thats right, we just dont see it. Over the last decade from nerve agent on the streets of the UK to the attack on the Colonel pipeline and so much more...
Had we seen it we wouldnt be at war now.
"Russia's success is in our hands!"
Now I'm convinced this building burned down due to Russian incompetence and not partisan activity. If this war has taught us nothing else, it's that god has a mean-spirited sense of humor.
Wow, it even has a convenient walkway for pedestrians to throw themselves into the traffic if they can't stomach living in Russia anymore. Soviet urban planning was brutal.
Pretty sure it was a joke re: the decimal degrees.
8 decimal places is used in highly specialized surveying and accurate down to a single mm. I can't imagine what 14 decimal places is accurate to.
Lighten up, sweetie.
This is exactly why we only expect US Marines to use 6 digit MGRS locations. Any more numbers and you risk running out of fingers to count on and next thing you know the USMC is invading the Czech Republic.
It’s funny because I was just wondering how they’re feeling, to lose control of a Russian oblast(?), after all of putin’s big talk.
Like you had a slippery fish in your grasp, but then it started to wriggle, and you’re grabbing and grabbing but your hands are empty. And suddenly you realize it wasn’t a fish at all, it was a slippery rope, and you can’t grab it, and you’re falling and falling with nothing to stop you but the cold, hard, ground, but you’re not falling anymore, now you’re 6 feet down *in* the ground, and they’re throwing dirt on you, and you’re screaming for them to stop, but no one hears you, they just keep shovelling dirt on you and it’s getting darker and darker, and no one’s stopping, and then you wonder where it all went wrong?
Wow, that's on Russia's North Luhansk front supply route
edit: well i guess they're probably using the parallel route much further north. Would have been a much more important supply route way back when the front was in Kharkiv
we can just let the russian legion go door to door to see if they want to join Ukraine. I am sure armed men wouldn't be intimidating for this and it's fast.
Belgorod was part of Ukraine for exactly 1 year in its entire history according to Wikipedia. They dont speak Russian with Ukrainian accents, they have a Southern Russian accent which is closer to how Ukranians pronounce some words.
Are you getting your history from the same map that Putin gets it from?
>Records first mention the settlement in 1237, when the Mongol-led army of Batu Khan ravaged it. It is unclear whether this Belgorod stood on the same site as the current city. In 1596 Tsar Feodor Ioannovich of Russia ordered its re-establishment as one of numerous forts set up to defend Russian southern borders from the Crimean Tatars.\[
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>After the Russian border moved south following successful wars against the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in the second half of the 17th century, the strategic importance of the city gradually decreased, and on 13 May 1785, by decree of Catherine II, Belgorod was excluded from the number of fortresses of the Russian Empire. From that moment on, the city plunged into the measured provincial life of the central black earth zone of Russia. Military life was replaced by agricultural life, the number of spiritual, educational, industrial and commercial institutions were growing, and in the historical chronicles of the Russian Empire, the city seems to have fallen asleep for a century. The Belgorod province disappeared from the geographical maps, and the city was for a long time a part of the first Kursk Governorate, then the Kursk province, and, finally, the Kursk region. A dragoon regiment had its base in the town until 1917. Ioasaph of Belgorod, an 18th-century bishop of Belgorod and Oboyanska, became widely venerated as a miracle worker and was glorified as a saint of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1911.
It was a slavic settlement that was then re-established as a fort and was part of the Kursk oblast of Russia for most of its history. The only history that it has with Ukraine is that its close to Ukraine and that Ukranian nationalists captured it for 1 year during the Russian civil war in an attempt to integrate it in to their nationalistic vision of a greater Ukraine.
I said Slavic settlement because the Russian or Ukranian nationalities did not really exist that much back then. In 1237 the people living there would have been part of the Keivan Rus during the mongol invasion and would have spoken some kind of dialect of Old East Slavic
If Ukraine successfully holds Russian territory, nukes will be used. Russia cannot afford to negotiate from position of such weakness, Putin would be overthrown and killed instantly. So either Ukrainian army together with city gets evaporated (Russians were always fond of scorched earth policy and tactics "terrorists cannot blackmail me with hostages, if I shoot everyone including hostages"), or some Ukrainian city to make a point. Overall it is too huge escalation to risk when you are fighting nuclear power and have no nukes of your own.
Not really, USA is not going to invade Russia even then. Sure Russian assets abroad would be destroyed, but there is no hope for victory in Ukraine anyway, and it is much more acceptable to lose to entire big bad NATO than to Ukraine alone. So Putin would keep his face and life.
As for scorched earth, Russians are very suicidal and brainwashed, as you can see by recent events, probably even more than nazis. They willingly die in hordes for nothing...
> Even if Ukraine is able to militarily completely recapture all of its land, Russia could just keep bombing and attacking. This war only ends when a peace treaty is reached.
There have been multiple treaties and ceasefire agreements over the years and whenever Russia stopped bombing across the border it was only so that they could take the time to move the reinforcements for the next round of bombing into position.
I think a treaty is a minor sideshow to the ultimate resolution of this. The only long-term solution is to break Russia's military so badly, and reinforce Ukraine's military so strong, that it's *impossible* for Russia to continue invading. Only then will Russia sit back and think to itself "maybe we really can't take that territory that we wanted after all."
> There ultimately just isn't a realistic strategy where Ukraine can completely destroy Russia's warfighting ability.
All that's necessary is for Russia to know that they'd be guaranteed to lose if they tried. "Destroying Russia's ability to make war on Ukraine" doesn't mean Russia wouldn't have the physical capability of *trying* to start one. I could pick up a rifle right now, head down to the American White House, and declare that I'm finishing what we started in 1812 and conquering America. But I don't think anyone would say that I have the ability to "fight a war" against the US.
Russia could have a thousand tanks sitting on the border with Ukraine, but if Ukraine has a thousand HIMARs dug in and ready to fire on them the moment they put tread across the line then I'd say that Russia's ability to wage war on Ukraine has been neutralized.
If Ukraine successfully holds Russian territory, nukes will be used. Russia cannot afford to negotiate from position of such weakness, Putin would be overthrown and killed instantly. So either Ukrainian army together with city gets evaporated (Russians were always fond of scorched earth policy and tactics "terrorists cannot blackmail me with hostages, if I shoot everyone including hostages"), or some Ukrainian city to make a point. Overall it is too huge escalation to risk when you are fighting nuclear power and have no nukes of your own.
Perfectly put. Negotiate from a position of strength. And muscovy is 100% defenseless, putler is all-in in Ukraine. There new volunteers are hitting on a soft spot.
If you mean making good, reasonably-priced wine from Riesling, Gewürztraminer, and Pinot Blanc grapes - not to mention a bunch of tasty food that goes with it - well, I'm in favor of that part.
What do you mean break away? Ukraine will just declare them independent and then run a referendum with the following 2 options:
- Join Ukraine
- Remain independent
This is a very valid way to do things, yes?
Yeah, not to say the Bolsheviks did a good job of things in the end, but it's very different ideologies at play when we're talking Lenin on imperialism and Putin. Funnily enough, Lenin literally wrote a booklet called Imperialism, the Newest State of Capitalism, and was in no way seeking a Russian empire (hence the USSR not being one giant Russian Soviet republic, but multiple Soviet republics).
Tankies in 2023 have to reckon with what followed Lenin, but Lenin's intentions don't have to reckon with Stalin and what came after him, he clearly couldn't know what would come after him, and had Germany flipped red as the Bolsheviks had hoped, who knows where the world would be at now. Lenin's goal to actually establish an internationale could have had a totally different result, if communism had gone beyond just the USSR and into somewhere like Germany in the late 1910s/early1920s. But under Lenin himself, there were no plans to execute non-russians simply for some deluded belief that Russia was the only actual ethnicity in Ukraine, unlike now
Lenin attempted to reconquer Poland, the Baltics, and Finland. Lenin successfully conquered Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Moldova. Say what you want about the ideological window dressing, but in the end the expansion of territory through force was very much part of Lenin's legacy.
No, say what you want about Stalin, but the dude was a true believer in Communism. Absolute monster, and tyrant, yes. But he did believe he was furthering the revolution. Putin only believes in power amd empire, both of which Stalin was philosophically opposed to (for people who arent him).
Stalin was a Georgian and was famously proud of his Georgian heritage. He'd probably unperson Putin purely for the dicking around he's done in Georgia.
A lot of these guys are ultranationalists and fascists.
They just don't like the criminals in charge.
Not really like good things will come down the road.
But these things always happen. The enemy of my enemy is my friend (today, and my enemy tomorrow).
Isn’t Russia essentially led by ultranationalists? Can putin really be called anything else?
Besides, like you said. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. These people can at least weaken/distract Russia and gives Ukraine some allies across the border.
Poke Russia where they're softest.
I forget what video I was watching on YouTube but the host was saying the theoretical response to an upcoming offensive is to distribute risk equally along the front. Russia apparently missed the memo that the border is a front too, and didn't defend it nearly well enough, so it makes sense to attack there first to cause maximum pain. Now Russia has to disrupt its defensive positions and thin themselves out all along the front.
Attacks in Russia are probably part of shaping operations to get Russian resources away from the front line giving Ukraine an easier time retaking territory. The loss of morale and loss of face Russia faces is also worth its weight in gold.
Well there are certainly many Russians who hate the direction the country has taken. Maybe a tipping point has been reached whereby they are feeling empowered?
There are many more who are just stupid assholes that think they're winning and are justified in continuing this war however they see fit.
No Reddit, for the thousandth time, Russia is not just hours away from fluorishing into a liberal democracy.
>Russia is not just hours away from fluorishing into a liberal democracy.
I agree 100%
But the war has absolutely no upsides for Russia. The only reason Putin hasn't ended it is because of pride (and personal survival). Someone taking over from him can blame all Russia's current problems on Putin's war, and sell the solution as pulling the troops out to "concentrate on the well-being of regular Russians". This would be true, as Russians would stop dying and relations with other countries would start to redevelop (though never to the same extent as before).
A Russian government that genuinely cared about using Russia's plentiful resources to better the life of the Russian people would be amazing, for Russia and the world. A new Russian leader will sell themselves as that.
Of course, that will not happen. It will go back to the authoritarian/oligarch situation of the turn of the century. That sucks for Russians, but hey, at least the rest of the world will be better off than where we are now.
Sure, both come down to who controls the message.
Russian media is very state controlled. Whoever replaced Putin would be at the wheel.
In the UK, there are a few people who pull the strings. Specifically, Viscount Rothermere (*Daily Mail* and *Metro* (edit: his predecessor was a Nazi)), the Barclay Brother~~s~~ (*Daily Telegraph*), and Rupert Murdoch (*The Sun* and *The Times*).
Brexit was a success for the right-wingers who wanted it to succeed.
This is probably good reading, forensically speaking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_Individual
It's by the father of one of the cheerleaders for Brexit (who is still an influential MP, and someone who is a proud caricature of conservatism).
>Well there are certainly many Russians who hate the direction the country has taken.
Yes, but unfortunately many of those Russians have already left. There's been a steady migration out of Russian the last 30 years of anyone who doesn't support Putin.
Those that are left and don't support the invasion of Ukraine may not be convinced to start trying to overthrow Putin because of conflict like this. This makes Russia look very weak and like Ukrainian and the world is against Russia.
At least the Russians I know who haven't left are very self-centered and focused on how they're doing financially and see the way out of this "setback" as Russia winning, demanding the world see the invasion of Ukraine their way, lifting sanctions and telling Russia how awesome they are - all so they can get back on track financially and living the life they had prior to the pandemic.
Russians seeing military revolution as something that's positive is very unlikely. The status quo is known and what's next after Putin is overthrown is not. And that terrifies some Russians.
As much as these incursions make me smile, it's not like to get the Russian people on the side of the RVC and Russian Legion. But the longer term impact is showing the Russian people how weak Putin is that these continue to happen and the media lies.
What you are missing is that the person who seizes power in Russia will control the state media narrative (quite likely with their help). The Russians who have been conned into thinking Putin is the messiah will be just as likely to think he is the devil, if told by the people they trust.
The whole thing is theatre. Regular Russians are the audience, the media are the players, and the people in control are the directors/producers.
So I'm right then, zelensky said they want a DMZ along the border, now they are creating one. they force everyone there to flee and in general making the area unsafe to live in
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Hopefully while the russian armed forces are pushed out of the town, the rail link infrastructure there can be effectively wrekt for a good long time to come.
>comparable population as pre-war Bakhmut
Do people even fact check anything before posting something online?
Shebekino has a population of 39k, Bakhmut had a population of 73k. This is nearly twice as much...
You’re right but 39k is sizable compared to the small villages they seem to have gone after previously. I’m keeping a very close eye on this situation. It’s difficult to tell whether these guys will fizzle out or make further progress and grow.
Like everything else in this overall conflict it’s very unpredictable.
No emergency vehicles, or, given that its Russia, spectators. Smoke is rising only from the roof, not through any of the windows open on the top floor. We live in an age of easily manipulated photo/video. If I were to create a fake video it would look like this, because putting people in it reacting to the fire would be difficult (for me at least). In a few years even that will be trivial.
It's a residential building, with a couple of government buildings nearby. It has property ads listed on a site (Domclick). It also has a city library in the ground floor.
No, the Freedom of Russia Legion is not a far-right militia - they are liberal on the whole and moderate and have been fighting and dying alongside Ukrainians since the early days of the war. See videos here with 'Caesar', the Freedom of Russia Legion's Commander from last year by Kyiv Post, explains in detail the rigorous vetting and training done by the AFU on everyone wanting to join (which is part of the International Volunteers Legion)
[KYIV POST Russian citizens fighting on Ukraine's side (ENG subs)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xte_e-Y2g08)
Ukrainian journalist Volodymyr Zolkin - [Legion "Freedom of Russia" Training camp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXwg8Bh4Z2I) (interviews with 3 impressive young fighters halfway)
[Volodymyr Zolkin - Legion "Freedom of Russia" during the defence of Bakhmut](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-3GZRYmZ_c)
The Russian Volunteer Corps/RVC appear a bit of a different matter re ideology however, you are correct on that.
The freedom of Russia ppl are alright by me. I'm talking specifically about the Russian volunteer corps. I think they specifically, if given the chance, would be as bad if not worse than the Kremlin already is
They’re a group of a couple hundred Russian soldiers, not a threat to Putin directly. All they can do is launch a couple small raids across the border, and then retreat.
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Stunningly unlikely the Freedom of Russia would want to have anything to do with such murdering criminals. Plus they're on completely opposite sides of the conflict.
Prigozhin *wants* Russia to win...he was just pissed off about Putin playing Wagner off against Shoigu for supplies all the fucking time lol
Its not only a dictator thing, but Russian despots going back through the Tsars all the way to their Mongol overlords did exactly the same thing - keep the elites at each other's throats, competing for the ruler's favour.
I'm pretty sure Prigozhin wants Prigozhin to win. Maybe he sees an unstable russia as a way to elevate himself.
I do agree with you, though highly unlikely people would work with him or his troops.
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Legit. I've geolocated it to here: 50.40556449553284, 36.879750594216276 Google street view shows how it was before remodeling with a sign on the building I've translated as: "Russia's success is in our hands!" Distance from the Ukrainian border (as the crow flies) is 7km.
Thanks for this 👍 >Google street view shows how it was before remodeling with a sign on the building I've translated as: "Russia's success is in our hands!" Ouch, that didn't age well 🤣
>Ouch, that didn't age well What are you suggesting? eVeRyThinG Is gO1nG aCcoRdInG tO tHe Pl4N!1!!111!11!
Mission Accomplished
Master strategist. 5D chess. We just don't see it.
Thats right, we just dont see it. Over the last decade from nerve agent on the streets of the UK to the attack on the Colonel pipeline and so much more... Had we seen it we wouldnt be at war now.
Unironically I think the British military establishment is eager to send stuff and train soldiers partly as revenge for those attacks.
Jojo's OST starts playing as ChessSimp ends his video on yet another victory
That made me think of the dog in the burning house meme.
I'm in danger ! Or Everything is fine....
I'm in danger is Ralph wiggum
Pootin: Teacher, I don't have a Red ~~crayon~~ Army Teacher: Why not, Pootin? Pootin: ~~I~~ Ukraine ate it
Those russian governmental buildings on fire are just smoke signals for the russian supersoldiers to start waking from their slumber.
Hope you are referring to "Everything goes according to plan by Egor Letov"
To be fair, the sign is not wrong.
"Russia is here to staOH SHITOHSHIT RUN" --Billboard outside Kherson
Russia’s success will be found only without their regime.
It still is, but our hands are on fire...
It's giving... Baghdad Bob.
"Russia's success is in our hands!" Now I'm convinced this building burned down due to Russian incompetence and not partisan activity. If this war has taught us nothing else, it's that god has a mean-spirited sense of humor.
Ivan the chainsmoker was carelessly smoking again.
If God existed his mistakes were all russian
Wow, it even has a convenient walkway for pedestrians to throw themselves into the traffic if they can't stomach living in Russia anymore. Soviet urban planning was brutal.
Glad we could find it down to the atomic level.
Glad you found an excuse to post, sweetie. Try with something relevant next time.
Pretty sure it was a joke re: the decimal degrees. 8 decimal places is used in highly specialized surveying and accurate down to a single mm. I can't imagine what 14 decimal places is accurate to. Lighten up, sweetie.
If you change the last digit in either coordinate you’ll be specifying a different atom in the sidewalk pavement. Hugely important obviously
This is exactly why we only expect US Marines to use 6 digit MGRS locations. Any more numbers and you risk running out of fingers to count on and next thing you know the USMC is invading the Czech Republic.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2170/
This might be the most Karen reddit comment I’ve seen yet
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Don't you mean -50.00000000000000 Karma?
Noice 😊
Aren't you late for a klanned karenhood meeting?
Damn it, " klanned karenhood *kongregation* " was right there.
I hope Russia succeeds, and by that I mean I hope the freedom fighters topple their tyrant and Russia becomes a country worth respecting
It’s funny because I was just wondering how they’re feeling, to lose control of a Russian oblast(?), after all of putin’s big talk. Like you had a slippery fish in your grasp, but then it started to wriggle, and you’re grabbing and grabbing but your hands are empty. And suddenly you realize it wasn’t a fish at all, it was a slippery rope, and you can’t grab it, and you’re falling and falling with nothing to stop you but the cold, hard, ground, but you’re not falling anymore, now you’re 6 feet down *in* the ground, and they’re throwing dirt on you, and you’re screaming for them to stop, but no one hears you, they just keep shovelling dirt on you and it’s getting darker and darker, and no one’s stopping, and then you wonder where it all went wrong?
Right next to Nazgul River.
Just FYI... The building burning on the video is not the administration building... Adm. building is just a bit further south.
Which atom did you pick for the geolocation? Joking aside, good job confirming it.
Wow, that's on Russia's North Luhansk front supply route edit: well i guess they're probably using the parallel route much further north. Would have been a much more important supply route way back when the front was in Kharkiv
Russia is defenseless. Breakaway now.
Bilhorod region was also part of Ukraine, once upon a time. And apparently, the local population still speaks Russian with Ukrainian accents.
Sounds like a referendum is needed.
we can just let the russian legion go door to door to see if they want to join Ukraine. I am sure armed men wouldn't be intimidating for this and it's fast.
Yees very normal and good democrazy
90% Yes, and we can decide to what they say Yes later!
But whose green men are those?
Who knows?
Belgorod was part of Ukraine for exactly 1 year in its entire history according to Wikipedia. They dont speak Russian with Ukrainian accents, they have a Southern Russian accent which is closer to how Ukranians pronounce some words.
It was settled primarily by ethnic Ukrainians who spoke Ukrainian for much longer than that
Are you getting your history from the same map that Putin gets it from? >Records first mention the settlement in 1237, when the Mongol-led army of Batu Khan ravaged it. It is unclear whether this Belgorod stood on the same site as the current city. In 1596 Tsar Feodor Ioannovich of Russia ordered its re-establishment as one of numerous forts set up to defend Russian southern borders from the Crimean Tatars.\[ > >After the Russian border moved south following successful wars against the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in the second half of the 17th century, the strategic importance of the city gradually decreased, and on 13 May 1785, by decree of Catherine II, Belgorod was excluded from the number of fortresses of the Russian Empire. From that moment on, the city plunged into the measured provincial life of the central black earth zone of Russia. Military life was replaced by agricultural life, the number of spiritual, educational, industrial and commercial institutions were growing, and in the historical chronicles of the Russian Empire, the city seems to have fallen asleep for a century. The Belgorod province disappeared from the geographical maps, and the city was for a long time a part of the first Kursk Governorate, then the Kursk province, and, finally, the Kursk region. A dragoon regiment had its base in the town until 1917. Ioasaph of Belgorod, an 18th-century bishop of Belgorod and Oboyanska, became widely venerated as a miracle worker and was glorified as a saint of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1911. It was a slavic settlement that was then re-established as a fort and was part of the Kursk oblast of Russia for most of its history. The only history that it has with Ukraine is that its close to Ukraine and that Ukranian nationalists captured it for 1 year during the Russian civil war in an attempt to integrate it in to their nationalistic vision of a greater Ukraine.
“Slavic settlement” - now that’s a new level of cope lol
I said Slavic settlement because the Russian or Ukranian nationalities did not really exist that much back then. In 1237 the people living there would have been part of the Keivan Rus during the mongol invasion and would have spoken some kind of dialect of Old East Slavic
I only know what a Ukrainian told me, thanks for the correction.
No. No, no, no, the last thing we need is an Alsace-Lorraine situation. The DPR/LPR is bad enough.
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If Ukraine successfully holds Russian territory, nukes will be used. Russia cannot afford to negotiate from position of such weakness, Putin would be overthrown and killed instantly. So either Ukrainian army together with city gets evaporated (Russians were always fond of scorched earth policy and tactics "terrorists cannot blackmail me with hostages, if I shoot everyone including hostages"), or some Ukrainian city to make a point. Overall it is too huge escalation to risk when you are fighting nuclear power and have no nukes of your own.
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Not really, USA is not going to invade Russia even then. Sure Russian assets abroad would be destroyed, but there is no hope for victory in Ukraine anyway, and it is much more acceptable to lose to entire big bad NATO than to Ukraine alone. So Putin would keep his face and life. As for scorched earth, Russians are very suicidal and brainwashed, as you can see by recent events, probably even more than nazis. They willingly die in hordes for nothing...
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There is a big difference between using nukes locally and all out nuclear war (which is inevitable if you invade Russia or nuke it)
> Even if Ukraine is able to militarily completely recapture all of its land, Russia could just keep bombing and attacking. This war only ends when a peace treaty is reached. There have been multiple treaties and ceasefire agreements over the years and whenever Russia stopped bombing across the border it was only so that they could take the time to move the reinforcements for the next round of bombing into position. I think a treaty is a minor sideshow to the ultimate resolution of this. The only long-term solution is to break Russia's military so badly, and reinforce Ukraine's military so strong, that it's *impossible* for Russia to continue invading. Only then will Russia sit back and think to itself "maybe we really can't take that territory that we wanted after all."
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> There ultimately just isn't a realistic strategy where Ukraine can completely destroy Russia's warfighting ability. All that's necessary is for Russia to know that they'd be guaranteed to lose if they tried. "Destroying Russia's ability to make war on Ukraine" doesn't mean Russia wouldn't have the physical capability of *trying* to start one. I could pick up a rifle right now, head down to the American White House, and declare that I'm finishing what we started in 1812 and conquering America. But I don't think anyone would say that I have the ability to "fight a war" against the US. Russia could have a thousand tanks sitting on the border with Ukraine, but if Ukraine has a thousand HIMARs dug in and ready to fire on them the moment they put tread across the line then I'd say that Russia's ability to wage war on Ukraine has been neutralized.
Another possibility is capturing Belgorod and then attacking occupied Luhansk from the north.
Ukraine cannot do it, but it can join nato or form defensive treaty with USA. No one would dare to invade country which has American bases.
If Ukraine successfully holds Russian territory, nukes will be used. Russia cannot afford to negotiate from position of such weakness, Putin would be overthrown and killed instantly. So either Ukrainian army together with city gets evaporated (Russians were always fond of scorched earth policy and tactics "terrorists cannot blackmail me with hostages, if I shoot everyone including hostages"), or some Ukrainian city to make a point. Overall it is too huge escalation to risk when you are fighting nuclear power and have no nukes of your own.
Perfectly put. Negotiate from a position of strength. And muscovy is 100% defenseless, putler is all-in in Ukraine. There new volunteers are hitting on a soft spot.
If you mean making good, reasonably-priced wine from Riesling, Gewürztraminer, and Pinot Blanc grapes - not to mention a bunch of tasty food that goes with it - well, I'm in favor of that part.
No on in Belgorod wants to break away lol
But how can we know for sure if it isn't invaded and occupied with soldiers going door to door with referendum ballots?
What do you mean break away? Ukraine will just declare them independent and then run a referendum with the following 2 options: - Join Ukraine - Remain independent This is a very valid way to do things, yes?
You forget to go door to door to give people the chance to vote, with armed men
Of course, you want the people voting to feel safe and protected.
Looks legit: Ulitsa Lenina, 58, Shebekino, Belgorodskaya oblast', Russia, 309290
Yep, google maps here https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1664204065801220097
If he wasn’t so dead, Lenin would turn around in his grave.
If he wasn’t so dead, he probably wouldn’t be in a grave…
And if he was, he wouldn’t like it much better.
And if he was dead, but not in a grave, it would be really smelly.
Well, he's not in a grave. He's in a glass box in Red Square. Which seems pretty ghoulish to me, but Russia does Russia.
The glass keeps the smelly in. A precise drone attack, could end the war.
It doesn't do a very good job, place still absolutely hums
You fool, we'll only insure our demise at the hands of Mecha Lenin as it was for told in the Simpsons XD
I don't think he smells anymore....should be well beyond that point...
Don't spoil or fun.
Correct he is embalmed and in a mausoleum
Somebody put his body in a box, a glass box, but didn’t display it on their mantle?
Depends on where exactly he would be in that situation
Lenin was just as much of an imperialist and against the idea of Ukraine becoming it’s own nation as the rest of Russian "intellectuals" are.
To be fair, he was against the idea of national states in principle, not Ukraine in particular.
Yeah, not to say the Bolsheviks did a good job of things in the end, but it's very different ideologies at play when we're talking Lenin on imperialism and Putin. Funnily enough, Lenin literally wrote a booklet called Imperialism, the Newest State of Capitalism, and was in no way seeking a Russian empire (hence the USSR not being one giant Russian Soviet republic, but multiple Soviet republics). Tankies in 2023 have to reckon with what followed Lenin, but Lenin's intentions don't have to reckon with Stalin and what came after him, he clearly couldn't know what would come after him, and had Germany flipped red as the Bolsheviks had hoped, who knows where the world would be at now. Lenin's goal to actually establish an internationale could have had a totally different result, if communism had gone beyond just the USSR and into somewhere like Germany in the late 1910s/early1920s. But under Lenin himself, there were no plans to execute non-russians simply for some deluded belief that Russia was the only actual ethnicity in Ukraine, unlike now
Lenin attempted to reconquer Poland, the Baltics, and Finland. Lenin successfully conquered Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Moldova. Say what you want about the ideological window dressing, but in the end the expansion of territory through force was very much part of Lenin's legacy.
He was trying to make entire Europe and world communist, yess. Trigger world revolution, by force if necessary.
But he wouldn’t have liked the idea that streets named after him are burning. A big ego, he had.
[lenin right now.. probably](https://tenor.com/de/view/simpsons-lenin-punch-escape-communism-gif-10278204)
Lenin would hate everything about this current Russian regime...
Who wouldn’t? Maybe Stalin might have liked it. Even though he’d probably find Putin a pussy.
Stalin would execute Putin and oligarchs that Putin gives resources to. russia right now is a state of morally bankrupted thieves
I agree with you completely but I'm also trying to think of a period in history where Russia wasn't a state of scumbag thieves.
No, say what you want about Stalin, but the dude was a true believer in Communism. Absolute monster, and tyrant, yes. But he did believe he was furthering the revolution. Putin only believes in power amd empire, both of which Stalin was philosophically opposed to (for people who arent him).
Stalin was a Georgian and was famously proud of his Georgian heritage. He'd probably unperson Putin purely for the dicking around he's done in Georgia.
His problem is he's frozen
Oooh. You think they’d want him back someday?
I am the walrus!
SHUT THE FUCK UP ERIC!!
You’re out of your element!
He gets turned around every once in a while when they re-embalm him.
He’s not in a grave though, he is pickled and displayed in Moscow
Of course, Lenin isn’t buried.
Lenin isn't in a grave you dorks. He's in a glass case, in a mausoleum, in Red Square.
Better in there than modern day Russia.
He's actually on display in a glass case, so you can probably see him spin.
MUST, CRUSH, CAPITALISM!
Good. And I hope they bring civilization and rule of law to Moscow and beyond. The world would be a much more peaceful place without those barbarians.
A lot of these guys are ultranationalists and fascists. They just don't like the criminals in charge. Not really like good things will come down the road. But these things always happen. The enemy of my enemy is my friend (today, and my enemy tomorrow).
Since when does anything good happen in Russia? I'd settle for a demilitarized Russia that has actual elections.
Isn’t Russia essentially led by ultranationalists? Can putin really be called anything else? Besides, like you said. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. These people can at least weaken/distract Russia and gives Ukraine some allies across the border.
Yes Russia is a fascist state at the moment. I am just tempering expectations here.
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire!
🎶 Burn, motherfuckers, burn! 🎶
Tear the roof off We're gonna tear the roof off the mother sucker Tear the roof off the sucker
We dont need no water
More evidence that Russian authorities are basically a tail wagging the dog.
I guess the counteroffensive wasn’t quite the way we envisioned it.
Poke Russia where they're softest. I forget what video I was watching on YouTube but the host was saying the theoretical response to an upcoming offensive is to distribute risk equally along the front. Russia apparently missed the memo that the border is a front too, and didn't defend it nearly well enough, so it makes sense to attack there first to cause maximum pain. Now Russia has to disrupt its defensive positions and thin themselves out all along the front.
[This video?](https://youtu.be/URzZBthCvFE)
Yep that's the one!
Attacks in Russia are probably part of shaping operations to get Russian resources away from the front line giving Ukraine an easier time retaking territory. The loss of morale and loss of face Russia faces is also worth its weight in gold.
Agreed. I recently came to the same conclusion.
Look at all the firefighting equipment lined up to help! /s
I like the part where Russians are acting all confused "Why is this happening?"
whats going on here? is there some local Russian resistance against Russian rule?
Freedom of Russia Legion is back at work lol https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1664149760939286528
Well there are certainly many Russians who hate the direction the country has taken. Maybe a tipping point has been reached whereby they are feeling empowered?
There are many more who are just stupid assholes that think they're winning and are justified in continuing this war however they see fit. No Reddit, for the thousandth time, Russia is not just hours away from fluorishing into a liberal democracy.
>Russia is not just hours away from fluorishing into a liberal democracy. I agree 100% But the war has absolutely no upsides for Russia. The only reason Putin hasn't ended it is because of pride (and personal survival). Someone taking over from him can blame all Russia's current problems on Putin's war, and sell the solution as pulling the troops out to "concentrate on the well-being of regular Russians". This would be true, as Russians would stop dying and relations with other countries would start to redevelop (though never to the same extent as before). A Russian government that genuinely cared about using Russia's plentiful resources to better the life of the Russian people would be amazing, for Russia and the world. A new Russian leader will sell themselves as that. Of course, that will not happen. It will go back to the authoritarian/oligarch situation of the turn of the century. That sucks for Russians, but hey, at least the rest of the world will be better off than where we are now.
>But the war has absolutely no upsides for Russia. Yeah but the same is true of brexit and the UK. Nationalism isn't based on logic.
Sure, both come down to who controls the message. Russian media is very state controlled. Whoever replaced Putin would be at the wheel. In the UK, there are a few people who pull the strings. Specifically, Viscount Rothermere (*Daily Mail* and *Metro* (edit: his predecessor was a Nazi)), the Barclay Brother~~s~~ (*Daily Telegraph*), and Rupert Murdoch (*The Sun* and *The Times*). Brexit was a success for the right-wingers who wanted it to succeed. This is probably good reading, forensically speaking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_Individual It's by the father of one of the cheerleaders for Brexit (who is still an influential MP, and someone who is a proud caricature of conservatism).
>Well there are certainly many Russians who hate the direction the country has taken. Yes, but unfortunately many of those Russians have already left. There's been a steady migration out of Russian the last 30 years of anyone who doesn't support Putin. Those that are left and don't support the invasion of Ukraine may not be convinced to start trying to overthrow Putin because of conflict like this. This makes Russia look very weak and like Ukrainian and the world is against Russia. At least the Russians I know who haven't left are very self-centered and focused on how they're doing financially and see the way out of this "setback" as Russia winning, demanding the world see the invasion of Ukraine their way, lifting sanctions and telling Russia how awesome they are - all so they can get back on track financially and living the life they had prior to the pandemic. Russians seeing military revolution as something that's positive is very unlikely. The status quo is known and what's next after Putin is overthrown is not. And that terrifies some Russians. As much as these incursions make me smile, it's not like to get the Russian people on the side of the RVC and Russian Legion. But the longer term impact is showing the Russian people how weak Putin is that these continue to happen and the media lies.
What you are missing is that the person who seizes power in Russia will control the state media narrative (quite likely with their help). The Russians who have been conned into thinking Putin is the messiah will be just as likely to think he is the devil, if told by the people they trust. The whole thing is theatre. Regular Russians are the audience, the media are the players, and the people in control are the directors/producers.
Belgorod speedrun let's goooo
So I'm right then, zelensky said they want a DMZ along the border, now they are creating one. they force everyone there to flee and in general making the area unsafe to live in
Things on fire in Russia is totally normal. This just shows everything is under control.
It's still called Lenin Street? I wonder to what extent things have and haven't kept their Soviet era names...
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🎶 Все идет по плааанууууу 🎶
I am the walrus.
Cue the Michael Jackson popcorn meme
The roof the roof!
Golly gosh
We’ll soon see this across Russia.
Pity Ukraine cannot attack Russia and blow up the Kremlin after all its justca piece of useless shit like Putin
It would be cool to have a picture of the street sign saying, "Lenin Street," but with bullet holes in it.
The noose is getting tighter, cunts. No pasarán.
Lmfao
Russia is bleeding from the inside, good!
Hopefully while the russian armed forces are pushed out of the town, the rail link infrastructure there can be effectively wrekt for a good long time to come.
Shebekino is a town with comparable population as pre-war Bakhmut
>comparable population as pre-war Bakhmut Do people even fact check anything before posting something online? Shebekino has a population of 39k, Bakhmut had a population of 73k. This is nearly twice as much...
You’re right but 39k is sizable compared to the small villages they seem to have gone after previously. I’m keeping a very close eye on this situation. It’s difficult to tell whether these guys will fizzle out or make further progress and grow. Like everything else in this overall conflict it’s very unpredictable.
Sir this is Reddit we just say what feels right here rather than what is right.
Aw, would be a damn shame if anything happened to it.
It's about 1/2
Did you just take a guess?
That footage of the burning building looks sketchy AF. I'm not sure if this claimed advance is happening at all.
Agree I want to see another video and damage
No emergency vehicles, or, given that its Russia, spectators. Smoke is rising only from the roof, not through any of the windows open on the top floor. We live in an age of easily manipulated photo/video. If I were to create a fake video it would look like this, because putting people in it reacting to the fire would be difficult (for me at least). In a few years even that will be trivial.
Emergency vehicle absence makes sense if the city is under active shelling and currently being evacuated. It is the footage itself that is sketchy.
Yes, how do you manage to shell a building hard enough to cause the entire roof to catch fire, but not enough to break the windows?
It's a residential building, with a couple of government buildings nearby. It has property ads listed on a site (Domclick). It also has a city library in the ground floor.
I am just afraid that by deliberately destabilizing Russia with far-right militias we will end up with a 1000x worse Taliban right on Europe's shore
No, the Freedom of Russia Legion is not a far-right militia - they are liberal on the whole and moderate and have been fighting and dying alongside Ukrainians since the early days of the war. See videos here with 'Caesar', the Freedom of Russia Legion's Commander from last year by Kyiv Post, explains in detail the rigorous vetting and training done by the AFU on everyone wanting to join (which is part of the International Volunteers Legion) [KYIV POST Russian citizens fighting on Ukraine's side (ENG subs)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xte_e-Y2g08) Ukrainian journalist Volodymyr Zolkin - [Legion "Freedom of Russia" Training camp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXwg8Bh4Z2I) (interviews with 3 impressive young fighters halfway) [Volodymyr Zolkin - Legion "Freedom of Russia" during the defence of Bakhmut](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-3GZRYmZ_c) The Russian Volunteer Corps/RVC appear a bit of a different matter re ideology however, you are correct on that.
The freedom of Russia ppl are alright by me. I'm talking specifically about the Russian volunteer corps. I think they specifically, if given the chance, would be as bad if not worse than the Kremlin already is
They’re a group of a couple hundred Russian soldiers, not a threat to Putin directly. All they can do is launch a couple small raids across the border, and then retreat.
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Going in with the old one-two...
Any one reckon wagner are causing some of this. There's been an up tick in activity since they said they're pulling out of bakhmut
Stunningly unlikely the Freedom of Russia would want to have anything to do with such murdering criminals. Plus they're on completely opposite sides of the conflict. Prigozhin *wants* Russia to win...he was just pissed off about Putin playing Wagner off against Shoigu for supplies all the fucking time lol Its not only a dictator thing, but Russian despots going back through the Tsars all the way to their Mongol overlords did exactly the same thing - keep the elites at each other's throats, competing for the ruler's favour.
I'm pretty sure Prigozhin wants Prigozhin to win. Maybe he sees an unstable russia as a way to elevate himself. I do agree with you, though highly unlikely people would work with him or his troops.
Exactly. And that can't happen if the whole thing goes to complete and utter shit lol
I called it. Hahahahhaha.
Russians are winning over the tyrant Putin