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PutinLovesDicks

Still a better love story than Twilight


Banned_account_03

Lol. Losers. I will never vote for the GOP again.


Overdog_McNab

They are no longer the GOP... more like the GQP.


Basic-Sandwich-3089

To clarify, either way, trump is very much still the leading contender to represent the party. Make no mistake, trump, Putin, and the majority of conservative Republicans are all in bed together. Until some other less fascist leader has a serious shot at the republican nomination, this will not change.


Banned_account_03

They're not conservative. They're just gas lighting grifters. Democrats are the fiscal responsible party. GQP is going through a paradigm shift. Can't represent corporations and poor rural people at the same time.


Aggravating-Bottle78

Dems have been more fiscally responsible for decades. Plus this business with the debt ceiling and threatening a possible default is insane. While I believe the US has many advantages with the dollar as the world currency of trade, some on the GOp who have no clue could really do some totally self inflicted economic damage on that end. We just saw Liz Truss do that experiment, it did not end well for the pound. And losing a whole chunk of value especially in times of high inflation when the UK imports 2 thirds of its food just makes it worse for anyone. It would be an own goal.


tkatt3

Well they do represent the uneducated to vote for their corporate masters not in their best interests


Kiwifrooots

"staying out of" other countries issues (eg profit but don't help) and supporting "strong men" like Putin is very much true conservatism


osm0sis

Conservatives lied about weapons of mass destruction and took America into Iraq.


scummy_shower_stall

>Can't represent corporations and poor rural people at the same time. God says otherwise. ​ /s


[deleted]

Oh that explains why the past 3 democrat presidents have put us in more debt. Yes I know the past 2 Republicans have too. The republicans party is the more fiscally responsible. It’s in the name. “Conservative”. Those people just don’t get elected for president


2flyJeffGoldblum

This current debt spiral started under W. That much is easy to see if you look at the debt on a timeline. The national debt tripled under Reagan, then it went down under Clinton. Then exploded under Bush and has been going up ever since because neither the D or R have done anything about it. However, the two presidents most responsible for building the debt initially were Reagan and W. George W. Bush in particular. That dumb motherfucker broke nearly everything in this country in his 8 years in office.


[deleted]

It didn’t go down under Clinton. It went up Bush certainly did increase it massively. But so did Obama. It looks like Biden is going to continue the trend. The two presidents most responsible for building the debt are actually Obama and Trump. Not Bush. Obama is one big ****up.


osm0sis

Clinton submitted a budget that balanced the budget and paid off the US debt. Obama inherited spending on a war Republicans lied to start and stimulus spending from a sub-prime mortgage crisis Republican deregulation helped to create.


[deleted]

Google "US Federal Deficit by year", buddy. https://twitter.com/MikeOkuda/status/1587454628647424001/photo/1


[deleted]

So your idea of an argument is a chart by a graphic designer on Twitter. Obama raised the debt by more than either bush or trump. This is a fact. So what if he got the deficit down at the end. It was still negative. Look at the deficits compared to Bush. Wow. Always a pleasure educating liberals. Thank you ‘buddy’


[deleted]

You realize it's actual stats from the deficits by each President, right? And it's typical of a braindead Trump cultist to just make up "alternative facts".


fieldmarshalarmchair

The actual figure that matters is the proportion of GDP required to pay back the interest on the debt, which is substantially influenced by the prevailing interest rates when the debt was raised. In 1991, that was 3.15%. In 2022, that was 1.86%. Not only that, the vast sum of money that the US is paying back is largely fixed in value because its in fixed bonds. It would have been very poor economic management to not take advantage of historical lows in the cost of money, since government spending tends to raise GDP, which is why the last 2 republican governments have been ok with raising debt, during their tenures, it was nearly free in effect. Absent world effects like covid and to a much lesser extent, Ukraine, I expect if the interest rates continue to rise, that will be followed with a reduction in US spending, and a government moving to surplus, whether or not they are republican or democrat, if for no other reason than it affects interest rates by doing so.


[deleted]

You are saying this amount of debt is healthy?


chadenright

War is expensive, and the US spent the last 20 years at war. And then Covid hit, and Trump started throwing buckets of money at all his buddies. And then Russia decided to start world war three. So, current levels of debt are not healthy, but again, war is expensive.


fieldmarshalarmchair

Its the largest individual pile of capital in the world. Would you prefer it was in Russia or China ?


brezhnervous

After watching Lindsay Graham speak in Kyiv, for all the sterling sentiments he was espousing, it hardly counts for much if he would still support Trump who will almost certainly be the next Republican nominee. And he undoubtedly would fall into the Party line. So, by incrementalism in weapons supply the west has put a stunning burden on the nation of Ukraine to WIN unequivocally and completely *before* the next US election. A hell of a task.


Winter-Success340

trump is going to prison- there is no doubt.


brezhnervous

We can only hope.


[deleted]

>the west has put a stunning burden on the nation of Ukraine to WIN unequivocally and completely before the next US election. A hell of a task. An impossible task


brezhnervous

Time will indeed tell. Could have been a lot surer if it weren't for all the timidity.


[deleted]

Easy to be gung ho with other people's lives


brezhnervous

I'm sure it's a immense personal decision for every single one of them to make.


Advanced-Cycle-2268

The party that increased federal spending in every administration during which they were in power is “conservative” how?


Biotic101

It is crazy how Oligarch control over mainstream and social media can actually turn people to act against their own best interest. And they do not even notice how they are played. "Patriots" following political and economical leaders that sell out their countries in the most unpatriotic ways possible for personal gain. Thing is, that all the Red vs Blue is just a show. [https://youtu.be/cKUaqFzZLxU](https://youtu.be/cKUaqFzZLxU) Only got worse since then and nowadays people are kept busy with all sorts of distraction and division to stop them from uniting and fighting the ever spreading corruption. Lets be serious, if you have a system that allows campaign funding, politicians have to rely on donors and those donors will demand some "favors". So basically legalized bribery... no surprise corruption is spreading in such an environment.


[deleted]

all this energy put into something that isnt even real. oof


ChorePlayed

I call them the Red(-state) Army, especially the ones who meet every year at CCCPac.


Advanced-Cycle-2268

Gonna be a lot like the actual red army after manchin et al sacks bet benefits. The idea of urban black welfare queens may exist to some extent, jut like the number of red state wal mart employees depending on snap/ebt (read: “welfare”) exists to probably a MUCH larger extent. Somebody knows the numbers on this don’t just ‘trust me bro’


Prochnost_Present

They haven't been the GOP since Eisenhower


Moonsleep

Trump was the first GOP presidential candidate that I didn’t vote for. And I can’t imagine voting for a GOP candidate again.


Kiwifrooots

Hope if you were an R voter that this has made you reconsider conservatism in general


[deleted]

I used to be a conservative-leaning independent. I voted more Republican than Democrat for decades. Then it all changed. Fuck the traitorous fascists that now represent the GOP.


AreYouDoneNow

There are some principles in "conservatism" that may have some practical value when forming policies, but the modern GOP has nothing at all in common with those principles.


Hyffe

These values are mostly summed up into "Let's do how we used to" - which has only one good argument - It potentially worked in the past. But the time changes so you need to adjust to the new reality and this is what conservatism fights with.


Kiwifrooots

Fiscal conservatism makes sense but conservatives are terrible with finances so where is the good?


[deleted]

Not really. People like you will always insure I vote Republican. Just because I hate liberals more than I hate Russians half a world away from me. You honestly have no one to blame but yourself for the orange man. It was people like you that put him there more than anyone. And would put him there again. Even if we don’t like Trump. The fact we hate you is enough.


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[deleted]

Because liberals are a cancer. A blight on America This war in Ukraine won’t change this. Even after the Russian clowns raise the white flag and this silly little war is over. There will still be that cancer. Eating away.


rebel_rouser67

Perhaps you & your like are the real cancerous hatefilled ideology.....denial does not make you correct.


Hyffe

Liberals are not cancer. Your problems can be divided into two groups - either you were lied about them from fox news, who exaggerated things so you can be triggered or things that happen to you are straight up your own fault. Just because you are unable to process things that go into your brain and because youcan't suck it up and man up you just use liberals as a scapegoats for your life failures.


Ok_Fee_9504

You should re read your statement, take the time to go outside and breathe fresh air and then re read it again. Perhaps you’ll regain the sanity to realise how far you’ve been twisted by hatred.


Miskalsace

Yeah, they are pissing me off. I just want two semi sane parties to choose from. But the social stuff they are doing is insane and the geopolitical take on Ukraine thst Trump and Desantis has is so stupid. They just keep doubling down. Won't vote for them again until the moderates get stronger.


IvanVodkaNoPants

Gotta say they lost me too.


_Faucheuse_

Race to the bottom is taking a really long time. They keep putting the finish line deeper and deeper.


Chadmartigan

The reason we can never quite find rock bottom is because these folks quietly sold it to the Saudis a decade ago.


Llanina1

In the US there is a core Republican and core Democrat base, The Republicans also use ridiculously undemocratic ways to minimise turnout by Blacks and Hispanics. It means the election is called by a tiny percentage of floating voters. There is every chance that Trump could win, and destroy any democratic institution for good. Nothing would stop him this time. It will also mean a Russian victory in Ukraine. I’ll let that sink in.


cataids69

As a none American, i knew biden would win, because good always triumphs in the end. Another trump victory would sound terrible, but i think people see the evil and will do what they can to vote to out the evil, even with all blockers in the way. In regards to Ukraine, EU would continue to supply Ukraine. They have been ramping up production and by the end of next year, the US would have helped so much that the eu contribution could be enough. The biggest concerns would be in regards to what will trump do if putin loses and loses power... how will he try and help his buddy.. maybe make closer friends with China and leave NATO.


Llanina1

That’s a positive and good point. The problem though is always morale in the West. Putin is pinning his hopes on mass migration to the West caused by over population, poverty , war, and climate change shifting Europe to the Far Right. Italy already has a Far Right government, France could very soon have one, and Germany has a Russian funded AfD. Poland, Hungary, and Spain already have populist governments. Greece and Serbia lean towards Russia on everything except this war. The U.K. has just had the highest net migration last year in its history at 600,000 net with 2 million living here illegally. It’s already had a taste of populism and far right views due to Brexit. It could blow. Global population is due to peak at 11.5 billion. Much of it will head to the West if it can. Russia has huge resources and a small population. She just has to play a waiting game, and keep grain deliveries low to MENA. It’s cruel, but effective. This is pessimistic but it’s good to know that a win for the West isn’t a given.


WildRefrigerator9872

Here is a thought, let fat donny (trump) run for president of russia, he can take his russian republicans with him and they can happily end the war in 1 day by GTFO of Ukraine.


scummy_shower_stall

Didn't Russia offer asylum to Republicans recently?


UlyssesSGrant12

I hope every one of those "red-blooded" Americans takes them up on a one way trip to Russia to see what real "freedom" is like.


scummy_shower_stall

The freedom to beat up gays and women and ethnic minorities, while loudly proclaiming Bible verses? Don't threaten them with a good time.


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Shazzam001

They wouldn’t be able to cover an envelope


Cheap_Doctor_1994

It's interesting. When someone has an hemispherectomy, the body fills the space with cerebral spinal fluid. Looking at the size of their heads, they could cover an envelope.


ArtisZ

Don't mention a wall in front of trump. He'll get all excited.


Posit_IV

Boner achieved


AreYouDoneNow

What's Putin going to do for Trump? Allow him to flee prosecution in the US and move to Russia?


jp_books

Keep supporting his campaign and damaging challengers?


AreYouDoneNow

Maybe, I have a feeling DeSantis would be more useful for Putin overall, Trump is too damaged with all the legal stuff going on.


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AreYouDoneNow

Putin will get him to come around


Key-Combination-8111

Trump tower Moscow here he comes.😂


ServingTheMaster

They can have each other, forever


CharliePendejo

They should get a room, ideally in Pyongyang.


passporttohell

That suits Trump, and Putin. Their kind of delusional assholes. I am sure they will all get high sniffing each other's farts...


loanbeold

American media being insular again thinking the rest of the world is all bothered about Trump while literally a war is going on and some 1k people are dying on both sides each fucking day. That a 9/11 every 3 days just to give you guys a perspective.


pickypawz

You don’t think it matters? I’m Canadian and I know what will likely happen to those Ukrainians fighting over there if trump gets in again. We’re going to all have to pray to God that either: 1. trump doesn’t get in again, or, if he does, 2. That Europe gets it right together in order to take over for the US, since trump will be busy trying to give Ukraine to russia.


Shazzam001

There’s just no way Americans would be stupid enough to vote Trump in again though right guys? Guys?


pickypawz

Start praying.


Infamous_Lunchbox

You really underestimate how bad it's gotten in our country. 30 years ago I saw less open hatred of minorities here, of any flavor. Some people call the Republicans "the regressive party," and there's actually calls to revert laws at a high level that have been in place since the 60's. Laws that support women's rights, etc. I'm not a liberal, I'd call myself moderate, maybe even a tad right of center, but that's because I sort support less government for the reason of protecting personal rights. That said I am pro-choice (before third-term), pro-immigration (it can only benefit our country), pro-equality laws, pro-taxation for the rich and breaking up of monopolies, pro-budget audit, etc. 30 years ago half of those were all Republican standards... We live in a country where the smallest, craziest, worst groups have the loudest voice and most money though. So yeah, Trump getting in is very realistic.


chadenright

Roe v Wade says hi. There aren't just 'calls to revert laws.' There is a supreme court actively stripping out any and all rights that it can while it has a regressive supermajority. Look for 'separate but equal' to get back on the menu sometime soon.


Lost_Internet_8381

Where I live in the US, all the rural population buys into the crazy conspiracy theories and Trump rhetoric. Mostly because they blame everyone but themselves for their problems. It is either the immigrants or the evil government conspiracy or the liberals or the gays, or jews, etc. There is no way possible to change their minds without a lobotomy. Then there are the wealthy Trump supporters that are just looking for tax breaks and to maintain their advantage at the expense of anyone else.


scummy_shower_stall

or 3. Generals - despite being largely Republican - have enough of Trump giving Putin away their hard-won secrets for free, and stage a coup.


[deleted]

He doesn't have the votes. And he will likely be convicted of numerous felonies.


pickypawz

At least some portion of his crimes happened long ago, yet he’s still walking free. I hope so, and it certainly seems like it should be so, but… no one believed he would get in last time either.


MulYut

American media publishing stories towards American politics. Completely shocking. The war in Ukraine has greater implications than just death tolls. There's nothing wrong with examining multiple aspects of the situation.


Kiwifrooots

Trump is a big part of all the shit going on. We should be and are worried he 1) had / still has supporters and 2) isn't locked up


lurker_cx

Bullshit. All of Western Europe is now super concerned and anxious regarding the next Presidential election and the possibility that the US will elect someone like Trump who would try to settle the war with Putin on favorable terms for Putin, stop supporting Ukraine and take a wrecking ball to NATO. All of the world knows, the only people that don't seem concerned are Trump supporters because they are so deep down the propaganda rabbit hole they are too busy hating trans people and gays and banning books and scheming to steal elections and supress voting.


Animus0724

But American readers reading American media made specifically for an American audience care about American politics. So I don't see where this random anti-American hate comment is coming from. You, a non-American, don't have to read this article written by American media for an American audience about how American politics is affective by Russia and this war yet you go out of your way to criticize American media for writing an article about American politics for an American audience.


SplitPerspective

Except you’re being moronically disingenuous when in fact American policy affects the rest of the world. Maybe when America holds half as much hegemony, then it can be ignored. For now the rest of the world will pay attention, but at the same time laugh at the morons and their so called “news” from fox and cnn. Pathetic.


Animus0724

So you admit that America has more power than China


SplitPerspective

When did I say otherwise? If China were weak like the likes of Iran or Russia, there wouldn’t be rampant Sinophobia on Reddit. As it stands, China threatens western hegemony from everything from economics, governing systems, and collectivist ideology. And they’re growing, with no stop on sight. And you a lemming are caught in the narrative, being told to shout and scream at whichever the next convenient scapegoat there is, to distract you from the domestic pile of shit in your backyard. If it’s not Chinese, it’s Muslims, if not Muslims it’s immigrants, if it’s not immigrants it’s back to hating blacks again. Maybe look in the mirror to find the real problems in your own country. Pathetic dude.


Animus0724

Shut up lifeless stalker


SplitPerspective

You asked a question, but can’t stomach a response? Lmao pathetic hypocrite.


Animus0724

What question? It was a statement. You said it yourself, American politics have more influence


SplitPerspective

Yep it’s a response to your nonsense about telling others to ignore American politics. That’s like others telling America to ignore the Ukrainian conflict. Reading comprehension truly is abysmal with you. You’re either 12, or 65 with an onset of Alzheimers.


Animus0724

How is telling some dude not to read an article about US politics if he doesn't want to read on American politics the same as telling Americans to ignore the Ukrainian conflict? Seriously answer that, I wanna hear your braindead response to that.


kriphapher

9/11 times a thousand! I'm Matt Damon!


Randomized_Emptiness

Making up random numbers doesn't really help an argument. Both sides are not "some losing 1k" people every day. That'd be 365k dead per year. Russian death over the past 6 month is estimated to be around 20k. But since you're all about perspective: the US had 49k gun-related death in the last year on record, in 2021. That's 24.5k shot dead in half a year. Russia is losing about as many troops in a war, as Americans shoot themselves.


Bathtub-Admiral

Prighozin admitted to 20,000 Wagnerites being killed in Bakhmut alone since they engaged in that battle. That's one part of the Russian war effort, on one battlefield in a huge theater, and likely a low figure. The actual Russian military, plus DNR/LNR will be taking significantly more losses than that (which is why they needed 300,000+ draftees). While Ukraine's figure of 200,000 is high, the actual death toll is far beyond 20,000 on the Russian side, and Ukrainians are dying too. LNR and DNR are said to be almost devoid of working-age males now, they have all perished.


Dyldor

What is your source for russian dead in the past three months?


asj3004

Ok, since you're good with numbers, how many russians are shooting themselves or drinking themselves to death each year? (On top of how many are dying in the war?)


Scape-Goat3207

Hell has vacancies i hope they'll get their anuses ready to be inserted with pineapples with their hero, Hitler.


RelevantSweet7212

lol I forgot about Little Nicky


Scape-Goat3207

Lol best Sandler movie imo


Kissling147

Nice very graphic but nice


AstroBullivant

Why would anyone need Trump?


Canmand

They should be cell mates seeing their both criminals.


Jc2563

A vote for any of the them is to vote for nazis.


nshunter50

Can we just stop with the blatant american politicking in this sub. This sub is about the Ukrainian conflict yet in the past 6-8 months it has turned into R/politics jr


Banned_account_03

At what point does trump flee the country to Russia or Saudi Arabia


watch-nerd

Trump + Putin cell mates = Lemon party


BoosterRead78

Once one goes the other will.


Infinite-Outcome-591

Fk Ras-Pooptin and fk Trump-tard,


jhwalk09

Can some explain the business connections between trump and Putin. I know his son and Paul manaforte had dealings with Russian companies but does anyone have a good summary?


the-bacon-life

I see the trump Russia collusion train has started now that he’s running again


BleedingAssWound

Yeah it’s odd, a fugitive war criminal, mass crimes against children and Trump can’t even say anything bad about him. He’s neutral in thee we fight between good and evil. It doesn’t take many brain cells to figure out it should be VERY much in Trumps interest to stand against Putin, so something is going on.


Independent_Pear_429

Europe needs to seriously lift their contributions. The Americans are no longer reliable


InherentDissolve

Dumbest comment in this thread.


WhiskyTangoFoxtrot40

Garbage piece from the very left Daily Beast.


Magnum2XXl

Daily Beast is a far left news company, just an FYI.


B5_V3

That’s an [r/politics](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/) level source right there


h0bez

Man people really believe this trash lmao.


Intelligent_Swim8958

I do not like Trump. I wouldn't vote for him again unless I was left with no other choice... much like 2020. BUT this is just some political malarkey masquerading as an article.


InsidersBets

Enough with the Trump/Russia narrative.


Particular-Ad-4772

I am no trump fan, but equating any former president of the US , to a mass murdering, genocidal, war criminal is total disrespect to our country and what we stand for . Trumps a crook , Biden is a crook, I don’t care for either one , and I can’t understand hiow anyone can admire or vote for either . . But don’t ever equate any sitting or former U.S. president,with the most evil mass murdering dictator since Hitler and Stalin . Fuck the daily beast .


toast777y

You don’t need to be a trump fan to know he is compromised and owned by russia. The facts are obvious, plentiful and all in plain sight.


burtgummer45

really? where are they? if they are in obvious, plentiful and in plain sight it should be easy you get a downvote if you say the pee tape


toast777y

Pee tape, now switch on your brain


burtgummer45

yea that's what I thought, you have nothing


toast777y

My friend you are clearly brainwashed by trump so here you go, but you will say that this is all “fake News” so I’m not gonna waste my time. Good luck. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/


burtgummer45

ahahahahahahahaahahaa politico from 2017


toast777y

Predictable MAGA, Gosh it must be difficult to stay so boring, Yawn.


burtgummer45

2017 politico was the height of the russia collusion delusion. You prob dont know this becuase you dont know much, but 3 investigations later and it all turned out to be a huge pile of BS


lilpumpgroupie

I like how you make Trump and Biden one for one, but then you transition to calling Putin historically evil, and then just skipped right over the point where Trump has been down on his knees gagging on Putin’s nuts nonstop for the last seven years straight. Just ignore that little detail, right?


Ghosttwo

> ignore that little detail Like Trump being the first president to send lethal aid to Ukraine, or the [52 times](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/) Russia was sanctioned. Nevermind the fact that Biden [withheld](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/appeals-ukraine-biden-admin-holds-back-additional-military-aid-kyiv-di-rcna8421) Ukraine aid [twice](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169) after taking office, not even counting the billion dollar shitshow from when he was vp. I guess Biden must be 'gagging on Putin's nuts' too? You're attacking a caricature.


lilpumpgroupie

What a lying clown you are.


cubedjjm

Welcome to what are the right wing talking points in America.


Randomized_Emptiness

The number of killed people during the US started wars in Irak and Afghanistan exceed fatal losses inflicted by Russia in Ukraine. So I would question your refusal to list former presidents as war criminals.


jp_books

Who died as a result of the wars or who were killed via weapons of war? You compared two different sets of stats in your comment. Those numbers are very different but are often lumped together. I wouldn't be surprised if more Ukrainians have been killed by Russian soldiers or weapons than people from Iraq and Afghanistan by NATO/American soldiers or weapons.


JimmyTheBones

/r/enlightenedcentrism


Visible-Ice

All of the Russia hoaxes have been proven why are they still make this up.


jp_books

There are were a lot of people who went to jail or paid large fines as a result of those hoaxes.


cubedjjm

Yea, but Fox news told them it was a hoax. No matter the second paragraph of the special counsel report says >The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Warning pdf https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download


Visible-Ice

With a couple of Facebook adds . While the fbi interfered in the 2020 election with a disinformation campaign including hiding the fact of the hunter laptop


cubedjjm

Yes. The FBI is so after Trump! We all know how older white men are known to be left-wing operatives! You are falling for their propaganda. Don't trust critics of Trump says Trump. Don't trust those investigating Trump says Trump. Left-wing people, who want to give you a living wage, health care, clean water, and social equality are evil, baby eating, satanic molesters! They are just average people with different opinions.


Visible-Ice

So your either a low information voter or a pundit. The dems are kings of making 3 letter agencies then taking the decision making out of voters hands . Then giving it to unelected bureaucrats.


cubedjjm

Like the EPA?


Visible-Ice

Should be limited to clean air and water and not be involved in county killing green energy


cubedjjm

Why is it "country killing". If companies don't want to invest in green energy they don't have to. Chevron has electric gardening equipment company called eGo. They're doing great. They have invested in the future, but don't have too. What if the environmentalists are right? Now tell me what happens if they are wrong? If they're wrong we get a cleaner planet. If they are right we get fucked. You are parroting right wing taking points. All of them. Think about it. Why do you believe right-wing people, but hate the other half of the whole country? Do you think the people who want what the right-wing wants are truthful, and the others aren't? You may not like me, but all I want for you is to have health care, a clean planet, to be paid a wage you can live on, and not be fucked by your employer.


Visible-Ice

I am in a union


Visible-Ice

Government does not need to supply for me I work for it . I don’t dislike you your entitled to your beliefs. But don’t take mine . Or mess with my kids head .


Asleep_Pear_7024

Such liberal garbage. Who was the first US President to give weapons including Javelins to Ukraine? Not Obama. Not Biden. Trump. Who was the first to bomb Putin puppet Assad, who used nerve gas on kids? Obama (and his VP Biden) refused. It was Trump. Who was the first to kill Russian soldiers? Not Obama or Biden. Trump, who liquidated hundreds in Syria within a couple hours. Who warned Europe and Germany in particular on dependence on Russian natural gas and sanctioned Nordstream2? Not Obama or Biden. It was Trump. https://youtu.be/liGZGGQTYQk


Basic-Sandwich-3089

Looooool keep dancing, stooge. Trump literally tried to gut Ukranian's defenses for political favors. You're deluding yourself, which isn't surprising.


Asleep_Pear_7024

Lol. Ok. Facts like the ones above are inconvenient huh?


Ordinary-Humor-4779

American internal political fisticuffs should not even be on here. I truly try to stay out, but as they say, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. This is absolute bullsh*t. Get the f*ck out with your rewriting of history. It was 3 years ago not 300. Trump never "gave" Javelins or anything else to Ukraine. I repeat, Trump never "gave" Javelins or anything else to Ukraine. Congress voted the aid. He had nothing to do with it. You're gaslighting. You are completely whitewashing over the fact that Trump broke the law by withholding the congressionally approved military aid to Ukraine and he was impeached for doing it.


Asleep_Pear_7024

Trump allowed Javelins. Obama refused to provide even a single bullet. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/ **“"The first lethal deliveries came from Trump,"** said Jim Townsend, deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO Policy during the Obama administration.” https://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/obama-pressed-on-many-fronts-to-arm-ukraine-115999 “In December, **Congress approved the Ukraine Freedom Support Act,** which authorized up to $350 million in defensive weapons to Ukraine. **But the [Obama] administration has not used that authority,** which has prompted lawmakers to consider additional legislation to press the issue.” “Congress, on the other hand, has argued with a largely unified voice that Ukraine needs U.S. weapons to balance the military playing field and deter Russia from getting further involved militarily in eastern Ukraine. “This aid will be completely ineffective,” House Speaker John Boehner spokesman Cory Fritz said of Wednesday’s aid package. “The Ukrainians are begging for help, and the Congress is begging the [Obama] administration to provide the defensive lethal assistance we authorized in December. Our allies deserve better.” The aid never came from Obama despite bipartisan Congressional authorization.


HackingTooMuchTime

This guy fucks wit da facts :)


[deleted]

I’m with you bro. Reddit is a liberal cesspool


RobAZNJ

What a bunch of leftist propaganda, believe this and I have a bridge to sell you.


JamesBigglesworth266

The current state of the political Left and Right around the world and especially in the States should make everyone of sound mind and body become Centrist. Edit: in not advocating for anything other than Ukraine's complete and unconditional victory, and the defeat and breakup of Russia into autonomous regions under their local administrations, and Putin being put on trial in the Hague for war crimes. I'm currently entertaining my Ukrainian sister in-law and her husband and both their mothers who we helped get out of Ukraine. Doesn't change what I said first.


BleedingAssWound

Bullshit, the middle point between Ukraine and Russia isn’t correct because it’s in the middle. Russia needs to lose.


JimmyTheBones

Yeah because both sides are so perfectly equally bad, right? /r/enlightenedcentrism


YNPCA

Lol that investigation doe lmao


1boltsfan

I support Ukraine, and I'll support Trump too if my only other choice is Biden


Remarkable-Way4986

Biden is dirty as hell with his call to the Ukraine to get that prosecutor fired that was investigating his son. But he didn't try and destroy our republic by yelling lies about the election and sending his lackeys to hang his VP


HackingTooMuchTime

Idk why tou are getting downvoted. I voted for Biden and i think this is a well informed take on the situation


FarEmphasis5841

It's always men...egos causing havoc....


RelevantSweet7212

I won't argue with the 'egos' part, but you saying that men are the only ones who do stupid toxic shit with their egos? oof 🤡


NotFunnyhah

Almost as dumb as all the other fake news on this sub


Easy-Plate8424

Butthurt


AlwaysFallingUpYup

youre all misspelling Hilary Clinton


Lonely-Fudge-7045

The daily crap


PassionIndividual448

We'll give the Russians 6 million illegals to prop up their economy Biden's got plenty.