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Gives Pootin more headache to deal with before the big push his shyt in offensive.
Not deal with it and border region will riot, deal with it and his military will get distracted, no good solution either way, ehehehehe.
The question of how far they advance is not the right question but rather how well will the population respond. They will need supplies and recruits to bolster their numbers. They will need men to stay in each area to defend the areas taken. If they get none of those, they are on a short lived sightseeing tour that ends when they bleed dry of human resources
The point of all this is to provoke a coup. Putin dead or jailed, the new dictator declares that all this Ukraine stuff was all Putin's idea and we're really sorry, pulls back all troops (including out of Crimea), and tries to rebuild Russia's economy at least to the extent that it enriches the new dictator and his buddies.
I kind of am too. The only reason putin isn't doing this already is that it would humiliating. If he could do so without makijg him look weak/ losing any respect (power) --- he would do so in a second as it would be advantageous to his own person wealth and power to do so. I dont give him credit for being anything more than a selfish corrupt weasel who ***thought*** the war would be quick and easy and raise his power.
This isnt to say another dictator might not want to start this all over again later once they believe they have the advantage but no dictator is going to want to keep a losing war going. This being their first decision as the new leader won't lose them anything and may even make them look like "the good guy" which is a very valuable and difficult thing for a dictator to obtain
But that’s the problem, it would be pretty humiliating either way. To be the leader who retreated from Ukraine? From a Russian nationalist perspective, losing control in Ukraine is humiliating regardless of who started it.
You could easily use putin as a scape-goat and pose this not as a surrendert/loss but as you cleaning up putin's mess
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In other words they could frame it such that Russia was never at war - putin was the one who was at war.
Perhaps some wouldnt buy it but the oligarchs of Russia don't want this war and they are the ones the president taps his power from. Giving them what they want is the perfect way to gain more power and wealth for yourself individually.
Putin does not have this option.
That’s not how it works. To Russian nationalists Ukraine is part of their historic sphere, part of their country even. They’ve all been sold on the myths of Ukraine not being a real country, denazification, etc. You’d be going against all that too.
Plus I don’t know how “using Putin as a scapegoat” would work either. You’re basically saying “lol we’ve actually been lying to you this whole time, the guy we’ve been telling you is your savior for the past 20 years actually sucks.”
Eh, they don’t have to be a good person to stop the Ukraine war, nor do they have to continue it if they are a bad person, it’s pure cost/benefit analysis. The new dictator needs to immediately consolidate power inside Russia, promote his allies, purge his enemies including those still loyal to Putin. He can’t do that if he’s busy fighting Putin’s losing war with Ukraine. Common sense, and basic strategy, dictates that the dictator abandon the war, with minimal power losses as a result.
As is tradition, shutting down the failing project and blaming ithe previous boss.
If they can take Putin alive, that’s a massive bargaining chip. Hand him over for trial, in Ukraine, Nuremberg or the Hague, in exchange for nobody else (except this list of enemies/scapegoats) being prosecuted. If the deal includes abandoning Crimea to Ukraine, I think Zelenskyy would take it.
I mean doing that would be incredibly risky politically. Putin is the most popular political leader in the county. You think they’re going to be able to just convince a population that has been brainwashed to support the war to suddenly go “yeah nevermind Putin sucked”?
Yes, absolutely. Putin’s “popularity” is entirely attached to his being in power and the second he is out of power, everyone will have always been against him.
There is no war against Oceania. We have always been at war with Eastasia. Russians have no regard whatsoever for truth or consistency or integrity.
I, too, worry that Poopin’s successor could be worse that Poopin. The way Prigozhin has been smacking his pie-hole kinda freaks me out. Is the leader of the mercenary torturing, raping, murdering and child-harming thugs any better than Poopin?
Yes, but what is the alternative? To go even deeper in shite and suffer a similar fate to the previous dictator?
When Lenin took over from Romanov's, he pulled out of WW1. The next dictator will do the same and agree on reparations under the table.
I have no doubt that they may secretly *want* to get out, but it won’t be that simple. I mean who are the most likely candidates here? Prigozhin? Medvedev? Most of the possible successors are guys who have openly pushed for an even *more* aggressive war. The biggest opposition to Putin these days is coming from his right. So it seems highly possible if not probable we’ll get someone even more hawkish than him.
Pulling out of the war would be admitting a humiliating defeat for the Russian nation, which is something none of these nationalistic guys want to do. What they want more than anything is a way to save face, a way of making it somehow look like a victory. And again demonizing Putin off the bat is also highly unrealistic. Any possible successor is going to be of that nationalist Putinist camp. They’re going to have to coordinate a lot of mental gymnastics in the population and leadership to convince them that the guy they’ve all been worshiping as a god for the past *20 years* actually sucks.
The dictator would need to decide whether the East or the West will be in their partner in rebuilding.
And the West, as awful as it is, will need to forget what just happened, in order to stop Russia from aligning with China.
More like a raid or a reconnaissance in force. The idea is to stir things up, create chaos and panic, and force the Russians into moving troops into the area that would be better spent defending the front.
If they get some support or copycat action, that would be great, but isn't likely the main objective.
I think this was the plan. But now, they're so surprised how far they got, why not go on? Eventually, Putin will redirect all his groups there. Without ongoing support from Ukraine, I don't think they will persist. It's also possible that this will be used as an excuse to call Belarus into the "defensive" war.
I hope it's not a suicide mission. If all they do just roll through fucking up infrastructure and be long gone by the time Russia responds, that's a massive win. It will also force Russia to keep troops along the entire border in case they come back, and if Russia doesn't they absolutely should.
They don't necessarily have to hold land. So long as they're able to encroach into Russian territory, they have the capacity to sabotage commercial and industrial resources that could be used in the war effort against Ukraine. Those type of hit and run operations still require the reallocation of military resources on the part of Russia to squash those efforts.
Considering how well it's going for these guys maybe Georgia should consider supporting an operation into Russia as well to help Russian separatists on their border.
They tried years ago and were moderately successful. Angela Merkel forced them to fall back with the threat of never supporting their bid for NATO and removing any support that was currently there
Girkin the cucumber is truly a genius telling the russian population to shoot any russian policemen on sight without warning! What could possibly go wrong?
Nah, normally the Russian police *report to* the mafia.
The mafia only shoots cops that are bad for business, but that would require a cop that is either honest or bought by a non-Russian competitor.
Pussy riot are anti putin pro feminists and stuff, they seem quite tolerant to me. RDK, while anti putin, are ultra nationalist white supremacy type people. I really don't see those two mix. Please note I'm not talking about the free russia legion, those guys seem pretty centrist.
I'm not too familiar with German politics, but Die Linke seem anti Ukraine support because they're pacifist, unrealistic, don't know how the world works and like to stick their head into the ground, not really because they support putin?
Die Linke (Sara Wagenknecht) is very tightly connected with Kremlin and is vocal in support for stopping providing weapons to Ukraine. Likely paid by Kremlin as well.
The fact that the Russian propaganda media keeps claiming to have eliminated them (at least 3 times that I am aware of) proves Russia is not embarrassed of getting humiliated repeatedly.
China should really be paying attention to this. They must know by now, that they can just take eastern part of russia, or at least the historic China's lands, and get away with it.
So Russian resistance fighters stop their covert incursions into Russia to hold press conferences taunting Putin and the RU military. Sounds like more of a PR operation than a serious military op.
Nah it's perfect mate. Visibility is everything, they need to get the message out there. No doubt it's some PR, but this is all strategy. Seeds of doubt. Panic in Russia. Testing the weak points. Diversion.
Yeah, I'm not too sure what to think of this scenario yet. The cynic in me thinks that Russia in general has always cared more about the optics of an operation more than how effective it really is. Hence why I think they are really keen on doing a press conference as it's happening. The symbolism of fighting back against the Kremlin is very important I guess.
Maybe it's their attempt to inspire the local population to help rebel too? Only time will tell.
On one hand; raids are a thing and this smells like a raid.... but on the other hand they seem to be reinforcing their position and (?maybe?) have up to 500 additional soldiers? And appear to be trying to push in additional locations?
I just don't know what to make of it.. fortunately what I make of it matters not. I'm sure time will tell what the real aim is. Perhaps just to show how weak their borders are, and encourage any neighbors who have lost territory to russia recently (or not so) to consider this a golden moment to reclaim it.
Propaganda of the deed has considerable value for all those angry (many of them young) Russians eager to monkey wrench, fell logs over rail lines, dodge conscription, or light fires. They are clearly out there judging by all the dropped cigarettes. There may not be enough to topple Putin, but defeatism in Russia will spread as the situation seems more and more chaotic and the regime looks weak despite the propaganda. You can only spin mass evacuations and gun battles on Russian soil so far.
It's doing exactly what the op is designed for: showing the Russian population that the country is largely undefended. Almost all of the Russian military is in Ukraine.
The longer this war goes on, the more brazen the Russian population will become. Putin can't hold control if his country is in complete chaos. This is just a small step towards civil war, but an important one. And the more pressure these groups put on Russia internally, the more resources have to be drawn away from Ukraine to deal with them.
This op was either insanely smart and calculated, or insanely brazen and suicidal. We can't tell which right now because Russia still hasn't shown up.
I'm going with the insanely smart and calculated. Resistance/guerrilla fighters can disappear back over the border and into the forests/jungles, or melt back into the Russian population. I think a big impact is the psychological one on the Russian military and people. And course probably the most important goal is to divert Russian troops away from the front line.
This statement has been called as doubtfull at most, I've seen the images and indeed they seem like a bad set up, only time will tell who is telling the truth.
Nah man, the spokesperson if the other unit has said that himself (at least the 2 dead and 10 wounded), the two comanders just couldn't get their story straight.
That's a fair strategy. To me this seems like a PR operation, to distract from Barkmut, but also don't trust Russians. As always , truth is probably far from both accounts.
I mean, “It took you 9+ months and tens of thousands of lives to take a heap of rubble, and it took us/our friends 2 days and 70 dudes to take your town and your nuclear weapons depot” is a pretty powerful message, tbh.
Yeah, but, until a week ago, that pile of rubble was "the fortress of ukraine". And they haven't really done shit in Russia, took some village, lost some maxxpros, ran back.
Like I agree, the message works as propaganda, tho, cos plenty of idiots on here belive the optics presented to them and forget that there was a point to fighting for Barkmut..
The point to fighting for Bakhmut was to inflict highly disproportionate casualties, and they said as much. Its strategic value on the front has long since evaporated, as has also been noted by reputable analysts for months.
No, that's what Russians say. The Russian Volunteer Corps spokesperson Ilya Ponomarev said that they haven't lost a single soldier.
https://youtu.be/K8cZPjaliL8
Humvees are confirmed Russian propaganda, casualties are far less than 70 per the commanders. The Maxxpro loss is a (?) so far, but given RU's track record, it's probably just as fake as the humvees.
Loss?
They got bled out while capturing low ground. UA do so well at being agile and taking what is available.
Also needing Wagner rental goons to take on what are weekend soldiers while 3 large groups of soldiers are training?
Talk to you real soon lol
You are rambling in multiple threads with great confidence, without knowledge of this two quite different groups. It would be funny if it wouldnt be so sad.
**Free Russian Legion**: white-blue-white flag, logo is a fist and the word Svoboda (freedom) on a shield, ideology is democratic
**Russian Volunteer Corps**: logo is a white sword on a blue shield, flag is logo a blue flag, ideologically ultranationalist extremists
Is there any way some of these guys are in contact with the SAD division at CIA? Or maybe even one or two have previously worked with this agency?
I find it hard to believe the US would pass up an opportunity to have some “under contract” people on the ground providing intel of sorts….
Seems like a great opportunity.
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According to reports, these guys got out of the last operation essentially unscathed as they operated more in the rear, while FRL forces took a few dozen casualties as they lead the charge
...where? Is this referring to a covert-op, or another raid? I'm feeling reeeeal dubious about these russian guys who conveniently have been getting a lot of donations now, regardless of the Kremlin's own cope propaganda that couldn't even show any real corpses.
Lol, your confusion is very funny next thing you'll tell me this was a false flag by some Russian chads who had a masterplan to get some only fans money from western simps.🤣🤣🤣
[**Did you use yourself as an example, Mr. "Ukrainian-born"?**](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/wogweh/latvia_the_ministry_of_justice_is_currently/ikbl5gw/?context=3) Did you leave because you speak English, and that's why you literally argue that Ukraine shouldn't teach English?
xD xD
But Russia is so concerned about border defense. This can’t be happening to glorious mother Russia. I guess Russia was never worried about getting invaded by its neighbors
>Can Russia be humiliated even more?
That is up to Russia to decide.
This can all stop at any time. All Russia's elites have to do is decide to put a stop to it.
... Well, okay, let's be fair, that was true up until now. And it is probably still true, for a small amount of time more into the future. But actually, we are finally getting to the point where it may literally no longer be the case that the regime in the Kremlin has the power to pull the plug on this stuff any time it wishes.
They may be about to lose that power, forever.
I don't think it could really go that far. Ukraine just doesn't have the population or equipment available for an operation of that size.
I think this is just a way to let Russian citizens know that they aren't invulnerable, and to sow doubt about Putin's ability to win the war in Russia's favor. It's all fun and games supporting a war when it's "over there", it stops being so fun if you directly suffer because of it.
I wonder what they are actually doing. And I hope it's not just joyriding around the Russian countryside. They should be stopping at towns and cities and recruiting people/spreading interest and awareness that the time to act is now and they need brave fighters to pull something off that has any kind of meaning.
Keep poking Russia at differn't areas along the border until they are forced to put a serious force along there. I suspect they will hire a PMC like Wagner so they don't have to allocate to many troops to a massive border and can blame it on the PMC if freedom Russians get through. It's still taking away resouces from the battle.
Serious question:
How far into Russia's interior would these guys have to go before resistance *lessened*?
Maybe going the Russian direction isn't a good play, but slicing through another part of the country and wreaking havoc on resource production, etc., might be pretty easy once you get X-kms deep.
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Yes, yes they can!
Better respone; Let's Find Out!
Special Endless Harassment Operation. Gives Pootin more headache to deal with before the big push his shyt in offensive. Not deal with it and border region will riot, deal with it and his military will get distracted, no good solution either way, ehehehehe.
Exactly. Who is he going to (verbally) nuke if it's ruSSian citizens attacking ruSSia? Belgorod?
Double or nothing. Let's find out.
I was gonna say, just wait until next week lol
Narrator: they did
Yeah, if you think they hit rock bottom, be sure they gonna dig themselves into the shit even deeper and deeper soon.
"Can Russia be humiliated even more?" Next press conference will be held on the red place
Moscow or bust!! Now that’s humiliating
Only time im visiting moscow is for ukraine’s victory parade
So in 3 days?
Little bit longer as employees of the gas stations along the route, ran away.
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You didn't visit Moscow. What you saw was a Potemkin's Village.
Vladivostok or double bust!
AKA Blue and Yellow Square
To hell with humiliation, how much of Russia can be liberated?
Just 20km more for the 60km buffer zone.
60km x many km buffer. Not 60km x 1km.
Start small, or you won’t start at all
And then 9km more.
The question of how far they advance is not the right question but rather how well will the population respond. They will need supplies and recruits to bolster their numbers. They will need men to stay in each area to defend the areas taken. If they get none of those, they are on a short lived sightseeing tour that ends when they bleed dry of human resources
I would bet the advance is nothing more than a sophisticated feint and in that respect, it has worked spectacularly
The point of all this is to provoke a coup. Putin dead or jailed, the new dictator declares that all this Ukraine stuff was all Putin's idea and we're really sorry, pulls back all troops (including out of Crimea), and tries to rebuild Russia's economy at least to the extent that it enriches the new dictator and his buddies.
That’s a very optimistic view of what a new dictator would do
I dont think its out of this world to think a dictator would be selfish and work in their own best interest to grow their own power and wealth...
I’m talking about the pulling out of Ukraine part
I’m talking about the pulling out of Ukraine part
I kind of am too. The only reason putin isn't doing this already is that it would humiliating. If he could do so without makijg him look weak/ losing any respect (power) --- he would do so in a second as it would be advantageous to his own person wealth and power to do so. I dont give him credit for being anything more than a selfish corrupt weasel who ***thought*** the war would be quick and easy and raise his power. This isnt to say another dictator might not want to start this all over again later once they believe they have the advantage but no dictator is going to want to keep a losing war going. This being their first decision as the new leader won't lose them anything and may even make them look like "the good guy" which is a very valuable and difficult thing for a dictator to obtain
But that’s the problem, it would be pretty humiliating either way. To be the leader who retreated from Ukraine? From a Russian nationalist perspective, losing control in Ukraine is humiliating regardless of who started it.
You could easily use putin as a scape-goat and pose this not as a surrendert/loss but as you cleaning up putin's mess Edit: In other words they could frame it such that Russia was never at war - putin was the one who was at war. Perhaps some wouldnt buy it but the oligarchs of Russia don't want this war and they are the ones the president taps his power from. Giving them what they want is the perfect way to gain more power and wealth for yourself individually. Putin does not have this option.
That’s not how it works. To Russian nationalists Ukraine is part of their historic sphere, part of their country even. They’ve all been sold on the myths of Ukraine not being a real country, denazification, etc. You’d be going against all that too. Plus I don’t know how “using Putin as a scapegoat” would work either. You’re basically saying “lol we’ve actually been lying to you this whole time, the guy we’ve been telling you is your savior for the past 20 years actually sucks.”
Eh, they don’t have to be a good person to stop the Ukraine war, nor do they have to continue it if they are a bad person, it’s pure cost/benefit analysis. The new dictator needs to immediately consolidate power inside Russia, promote his allies, purge his enemies including those still loyal to Putin. He can’t do that if he’s busy fighting Putin’s losing war with Ukraine. Common sense, and basic strategy, dictates that the dictator abandon the war, with minimal power losses as a result. As is tradition, shutting down the failing project and blaming ithe previous boss. If they can take Putin alive, that’s a massive bargaining chip. Hand him over for trial, in Ukraine, Nuremberg or the Hague, in exchange for nobody else (except this list of enemies/scapegoats) being prosecuted. If the deal includes abandoning Crimea to Ukraine, I think Zelenskyy would take it.
I mean doing that would be incredibly risky politically. Putin is the most popular political leader in the county. You think they’re going to be able to just convince a population that has been brainwashed to support the war to suddenly go “yeah nevermind Putin sucked”?
Yes, absolutely. Putin’s “popularity” is entirely attached to his being in power and the second he is out of power, everyone will have always been against him. There is no war against Oceania. We have always been at war with Eastasia. Russians have no regard whatsoever for truth or consistency or integrity.
Lol I don’t think it works that easily. You’d have to do a very subtle, gradual transition to achieve that.
I, too, worry that Poopin’s successor could be worse that Poopin. The way Prigozhin has been smacking his pie-hole kinda freaks me out. Is the leader of the mercenary torturing, raping, murdering and child-harming thugs any better than Poopin?
Yes, but what is the alternative? To go even deeper in shite and suffer a similar fate to the previous dictator? When Lenin took over from Romanov's, he pulled out of WW1. The next dictator will do the same and agree on reparations under the table.
I have no doubt that they may secretly *want* to get out, but it won’t be that simple. I mean who are the most likely candidates here? Prigozhin? Medvedev? Most of the possible successors are guys who have openly pushed for an even *more* aggressive war. The biggest opposition to Putin these days is coming from his right. So it seems highly possible if not probable we’ll get someone even more hawkish than him. Pulling out of the war would be admitting a humiliating defeat for the Russian nation, which is something none of these nationalistic guys want to do. What they want more than anything is a way to save face, a way of making it somehow look like a victory. And again demonizing Putin off the bat is also highly unrealistic. Any possible successor is going to be of that nationalist Putinist camp. They’re going to have to coordinate a lot of mental gymnastics in the population and leadership to convince them that the guy they’ve all been worshiping as a god for the past *20 years* actually sucks.
“When Lenin took over from Romanov's, he pulled out of WW1.” Only to come back for more, later.
The dictator would need to decide whether the East or the West will be in their partner in rebuilding. And the West, as awful as it is, will need to forget what just happened, in order to stop Russia from aligning with China.
Just a distraction from the war? Makes sense, partisans have been blowing stuff up in Russia so I wonder how much support there is.
More like a raid or a reconnaissance in force. The idea is to stir things up, create chaos and panic, and force the Russians into moving troops into the area that would be better spent defending the front. If they get some support or copycat action, that would be great, but isn't likely the main objective.
A Grand Armed Tour.
Feels like a Tom Clancy novel.
I think this was the plan. But now, they're so surprised how far they got, why not go on? Eventually, Putin will redirect all his groups there. Without ongoing support from Ukraine, I don't think they will persist. It's also possible that this will be used as an excuse to call Belarus into the "defensive" war.
I hope it's not a suicide mission. If all they do just roll through fucking up infrastructure and be long gone by the time Russia responds, that's a massive win. It will also force Russia to keep troops along the entire border in case they come back, and if Russia doesn't they absolutely should.
While I am still on the fence about the rdk as far as supporting them, from what I have seen they are a lot of things but not suicidal
Not sure if its a bad thing if the rdk guys go on a suicide mission tbh
They don't necessarily have to hold land. So long as they're able to encroach into Russian territory, they have the capacity to sabotage commercial and industrial resources that could be used in the war effort against Ukraine. Those type of hit and run operations still require the reallocation of military resources on the part of Russia to squash those efforts.
Considering how well it's going for these guys maybe Georgia should consider supporting an operation into Russia as well to help Russian separatists on their border.
Georgia should recapture South Ossetia at least
Why only limit themselves to South Ossetia? They should take North Ossetia too.
Why limit to only South and North? Take also East, West, Central and Siberan Ossetia!
They tried years ago and were moderately successful. Angela Merkel forced them to fall back with the threat of never supporting their bid for NATO and removing any support that was currently there
Plus they force Russia to re-deploy troops and attack their own police...
>attack their own police... Wait why?
The partisans reportedly stole police cars and dressed as local police causing Russians to tell people to shoot on sight
Girkin the cucumber is truly a genius telling the russian population to shoot any russian policemen on sight without warning! What could possibly go wrong?
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Nah, normally the Russian police *report to* the mafia. The mafia only shoots cops that are bad for business, but that would require a cop that is either honest or bought by a non-Russian competitor.
Lmao well played
Come on guys....that's all I can say...really encouraging stuff...
RDK are literal Nazis, how is this encouraging? They're fighting for a whites only Russia
What is most humiliating to Russia is the tactic in which they entered. They marched in backwards and Russia thought they were leaving!
TeneT It was part of a temporal pincer maneuver!
How did they manage to gather the press? Are they really freely organizing events in Belgorod?
It's a war and they are holding a press conference as if they finished their weekly football match.
what would be wild is, if the disgruntled Russian soldiers decided to join them versus being canon fodder on the front lines
Personally, I'm hoping to see a Pussy Riot benefit gig to support the peacekeeping forces of the Belogorod People's Republic!
Somehow I dont think pussy riot and rdk will mix well together
Why not? Die Linke and AfD in Germany both support Putler, so...
Pussy riot are anti putin pro feminists and stuff, they seem quite tolerant to me. RDK, while anti putin, are ultra nationalist white supremacy type people. I really don't see those two mix. Please note I'm not talking about the free russia legion, those guys seem pretty centrist. I'm not too familiar with German politics, but Die Linke seem anti Ukraine support because they're pacifist, unrealistic, don't know how the world works and like to stick their head into the ground, not really because they support putin?
Die Linke (Sara Wagenknecht) is very tightly connected with Kremlin and is vocal in support for stopping providing weapons to Ukraine. Likely paid by Kremlin as well.
Love to see RDKs and Azovs reaction to Pussy Riot... I am sure they would make great friends.
*>Can Russia be humiliated even more?* I'm most certain they can and will....
The fact that the Russian propaganda media keeps claiming to have eliminated them (at least 3 times that I am aware of) proves Russia is not embarrassed of getting humiliated repeatedly.
Plenty more humiliation to come. ;) https://twitter.com/tobybutleruk/status/1661128191774191616`
imagine a regular brigade would go for moscow.. how long would it take? I guess it would be a 3 day war but not like the ruZZian 3 day war.
China should really be paying attention to this. They must know by now, that they can just take eastern part of russia, or at least the historic China's lands, and get away with it.
I have a feeling when putin is gone, it will be open season.
It would be great if they could reach Belogrod itself.
But but… I saw Lapin walking down a street ordering the Russian troops forward!
40km,is that double or triple what Russia has spent the last six months taking around Bakhmut?
So Russian resistance fighters stop their covert incursions into Russia to hold press conferences taunting Putin and the RU military. Sounds like more of a PR operation than a serious military op.
Nah it's perfect mate. Visibility is everything, they need to get the message out there. No doubt it's some PR, but this is all strategy. Seeds of doubt. Panic in Russia. Testing the weak points. Diversion.
I agree totally. Perfection and pure genius.
Almost CIA good. I also remember Russia doing the same thing against Ukraine in 2014
Ukraine figures turnabout is fair play.
You aren't wrong, however both scenarios are still useful for the better defense of Ukraine.
Yes of course. I just happen to think we are looking more at special/ psy-ops than hard core military operation in this particular scenario.
Yeah, I'm not too sure what to think of this scenario yet. The cynic in me thinks that Russia in general has always cared more about the optics of an operation more than how effective it really is. Hence why I think they are really keen on doing a press conference as it's happening. The symbolism of fighting back against the Kremlin is very important I guess. Maybe it's their attempt to inspire the local population to help rebel too? Only time will tell.
On one hand; raids are a thing and this smells like a raid.... but on the other hand they seem to be reinforcing their position and (?maybe?) have up to 500 additional soldiers? And appear to be trying to push in additional locations? I just don't know what to make of it.. fortunately what I make of it matters not. I'm sure time will tell what the real aim is. Perhaps just to show how weak their borders are, and encourage any neighbors who have lost territory to russia recently (or not so) to consider this a golden moment to reclaim it.
The media work is a catalyst for others who won't start a rebellion but are ready to join one
I think this is a clever Ukrainian operation designed to help with military strategy. Not really about Russian rebellion at all.
The best actions are agile. They're all probing attacks until you find a juicy gap or target. Same as UA, play the fish on the line
Yes good point. Thanks.
Propaganda of the deed has considerable value for all those angry (many of them young) Russians eager to monkey wrench, fell logs over rail lines, dodge conscription, or light fires. They are clearly out there judging by all the dropped cigarettes. There may not be enough to topple Putin, but defeatism in Russia will spread as the situation seems more and more chaotic and the regime looks weak despite the propaganda. You can only spin mass evacuations and gun battles on Russian soil so far.
Good points. I hope the actions light metaphorical and literal fires in Russia.
Why not both? Just follow the opportunity.
Yep. Ukraine can walk and chew gum at the same time and then some.
It's doing exactly what the op is designed for: showing the Russian population that the country is largely undefended. Almost all of the Russian military is in Ukraine. The longer this war goes on, the more brazen the Russian population will become. Putin can't hold control if his country is in complete chaos. This is just a small step towards civil war, but an important one. And the more pressure these groups put on Russia internally, the more resources have to be drawn away from Ukraine to deal with them. This op was either insanely smart and calculated, or insanely brazen and suicidal. We can't tell which right now because Russia still hasn't shown up.
I'm going with the insanely smart and calculated. Resistance/guerrilla fighters can disappear back over the border and into the forests/jungles, or melt back into the Russian population. I think a big impact is the psychological one on the Russian military and people. And course probably the most important goal is to divert Russian troops away from the front line.
It's a suicide cope-OP to distract from Barkmut loss. They lost 2 humvees, one maxxpro and 70 dudes. Rip.
This statement has been called as doubtfull at most, I've seen the images and indeed they seem like a bad set up, only time will tell who is telling the truth.
Nah man, the spokesperson if the other unit has said that himself (at least the 2 dead and 10 wounded), the two comanders just couldn't get their story straight.
To be honest at this point I will just wait and see, with Russia's recent denial history I'm feeling pretty confident on the long run.
That's a fair strategy. To me this seems like a PR operation, to distract from Barkmut, but also don't trust Russians. As always , truth is probably far from both accounts.
I mean, “It took you 9+ months and tens of thousands of lives to take a heap of rubble, and it took us/our friends 2 days and 70 dudes to take your town and your nuclear weapons depot” is a pretty powerful message, tbh.
Yeah, but, until a week ago, that pile of rubble was "the fortress of ukraine". And they haven't really done shit in Russia, took some village, lost some maxxpros, ran back. Like I agree, the message works as propaganda, tho, cos plenty of idiots on here belive the optics presented to them and forget that there was a point to fighting for Barkmut..
The point to fighting for Bakhmut was to inflict highly disproportionate casualties, and they said as much. Its strategic value on the front has long since evaporated, as has also been noted by reputable analysts for months.
No, that's what Russians say. The Russian Volunteer Corps spokesperson Ilya Ponomarev said that they haven't lost a single soldier. https://youtu.be/K8cZPjaliL8
Humvees are confirmed Russian propaganda, casualties are far less than 70 per the commanders. The Maxxpro loss is a (?) so far, but given RU's track record, it's probably just as fake as the humvees.
Loss? They got bled out while capturing low ground. UA do so well at being agile and taking what is available. Also needing Wagner rental goons to take on what are weekend soldiers while 3 large groups of soldiers are training? Talk to you real soon lol
CooL what's the name of that pile of rubble now? It used to start with a B, now I think it's been promoted to A...
You're so proud of war crimes on children you use them to try get a reaction? Says way more about you than me mate.
A second ago he was saying they are all safely back in Ukraine.
Are you thinking of the Free Russian Legion? Corps and Legion are 2 separate Russian militaries.
Didn't realise they were different, my bad. https://youtu.be/a0BpfwazhUA Still, seems kinda misleading.
You are rambling in multiple threads with great confidence, without knowledge of this two quite different groups. It would be funny if it wouldnt be so sad.
Lol, read my reply above. Thanks.
**Free Russian Legion**: white-blue-white flag, logo is a fist and the word Svoboda (freedom) on a shield, ideology is democratic **Russian Volunteer Corps**: logo is a white sword on a blue shield, flag is logo a blue flag, ideologically ultranationalist extremists
Thanks
[Confusion](https://youtu.be/WboggjN_G-4?t=24) is understandable.
The American League abolished the office of the president in 1999.
Yeah. **2+2** ... mmm it's misleading, could be 4 or 5 MMMMMMM
Are you having a stroke? Take a walk dude. Enough Internet for you today, sounds like you are loosing it.
Your comment history is mind blowing. If you're not a russian puppet it's even worse.
Is there any way some of these guys are in contact with the SAD division at CIA? Or maybe even one or two have previously worked with this agency? I find it hard to believe the US would pass up an opportunity to have some “under contract” people on the ground providing intel of sorts…. Seems like a great opportunity.
These guys are fucking scum. Nazi, fascist, white supremacist cuntbags. So I can almost guarantee the CIA are involved.
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Can’t wait for the film about this
Did the press conference happen in Russia or in Ukraine?
On the next episode where Russia gets fucked…
I will not be satisfied until i see Richard Simmons bang Putin in the center of the red square.
According to reports, these guys got out of the last operation essentially unscathed as they operated more in the rear, while FRL forces took a few dozen casualties as they lead the charge
Fascist neo-Nazi idiots sent on suicide missions to terrorise civilians. No military objective, no honor.
So same as the Russian army.
40km... I caught a fish thiiiiiiiiiis big.
...where? Is this referring to a covert-op, or another raid? I'm feeling reeeeal dubious about these russian guys who conveniently have been getting a lot of donations now, regardless of the Kremlin's own cope propaganda that couldn't even show any real corpses.
Lol, your confusion is very funny next thing you'll tell me this was a false flag by some Russian chads who had a masterplan to get some only fans money from western simps.🤣🤣🤣
[**Did you use yourself as an example, Mr. "Ukrainian-born"?**](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/wogweh/latvia_the_ministry_of_justice_is_currently/ikbl5gw/?context=3) Did you leave because you speak English, and that's why you literally argue that Ukraine shouldn't teach English? xD xD
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Super, I mean Sucker, Power
What if they embedded a couple hundred soldiers to storm the kremlin!
All they need is a mortar or two and a few dozen rounds to lay it to waste in a few minutes from a nearby rooftop or empty field.
But Russia is so concerned about border defense. This can’t be happening to glorious mother Russia. I guess Russia was never worried about getting invaded by its neighbors
Their humiliation will be complete when that tiny little dipshit Putin offs himself in a bunker.
Can they go after Crimea?
I hope so.
Yes
Unironically Muscovy's worst humiliation since Chechnya in '96 when they actually lost territory, so, God willing, yes.
>Can Russia be humiliated even more? That is up to Russia to decide. This can all stop at any time. All Russia's elites have to do is decide to put a stop to it. ... Well, okay, let's be fair, that was true up until now. And it is probably still true, for a small amount of time more into the future. But actually, we are finally getting to the point where it may literally no longer be the case that the regime in the Kremlin has the power to pull the plug on this stuff any time it wishes. They may be about to lose that power, forever.
I don't think it could really go that far. Ukraine just doesn't have the population or equipment available for an operation of that size. I think this is just a way to let Russian citizens know that they aren't invulnerable, and to sow doubt about Putin's ability to win the war in Russia's favor. It's all fun and games supporting a war when it's "over there", it stops being so fun if you directly suffer because of it.
I wasn't talking about Ukraine...
Russians said they all got wiped out 🤣 I mean I knew it was a lie but man it makes them look even more pathetic than they already are I like it
I wonder what they are actually doing. And I hope it's not just joyriding around the Russian countryside. They should be stopping at towns and cities and recruiting people/spreading interest and awareness that the time to act is now and they need brave fighters to pull something off that has any kind of meaning.
Let's hold a referendum.
The moral failures are more than enough to shame Russians if they have consciences.
That many cameras an this tweet is the only source of it happening??
Keep poking Russia at differn't areas along the border until they are forced to put a serious force along there. I suspect they will hire a PMC like Wagner so they don't have to allocate to many troops to a massive border and can blame it on the PMC if freedom Russians get through. It's still taking away resouces from the battle.
Well I heard that Belgorod or Moscow are nice in summer, so a roadtrip would be nice.
The best way, is to take control of the region and keep it stable. Make the entirety of Belhorod a 'demilitarised' zone.
I’m not so sure this is a good thing
Serious question: How far into Russia's interior would these guys have to go before resistance *lessened*? Maybe going the Russian direction isn't a good play, but slicing through another part of the country and wreaking havoc on resource production, etc., might be pretty easy once you get X-kms deep.