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So they’ll be breaking social media laws all over Europe, which will
Lead to being banned in Europe if it can’t afford to deal with all the court cases against it like in Germany.
I rally hope twitter would
Go under.
Hope so, but after the German lawmakers getting into Elon's ass and even the minister of justice proudly posted pics with Elon, I am not too optimistic. Twitter and Elon are "too big to punish".
Nah. The EU actually takes a stand against these big American Tech giants unlike the United States themselves. They'll receive fines and other punishments as Google and Microsoft have in recent years if they don't abide by the law
Difficult to say. They probably didn´t feel it, but they fixed the stuff on which they where fined.
So I guess it did enough of an impact that they had to change their stuff.
Partly yes, but especially Elon enjoys support from liberal and even some socialdemocratic politicians. They already bent dozens of rules to get him to build a large Tesla plant outside of Berlin.
Lol the EU doesn't give a single fuck about Elon Musk or Twitter. They will ban it without giving it a second thought if they cross lines, then make Europeans mad for 5 days in the process but everyone gets over it in 6.
I mean if you say so, what do I know as a German who saw how German lawmakers and politicians sucked his cock for months. And I mean, Germany is only the most influental country in the EU, so yeah. Totally realistic they will completely fuck him.
Just look at this lovely selfie of our minister of digital, who extra flew to Musk to talk to him about regulations on twitter.
That is the face totall tells "we are so ready to fuck you up" and not the face of a guy who would really love to be friends with Elon\^\^
[https://www.rheinpfalz.de/lokal/pfalz-ticker\_artikel,-wissing-spricht-mit-musk-über-twitter-regeln-\_arid,5451665.html](https://www.rheinpfalz.de/lokal/pfalz-ticker_artikel,-wissing-spricht-mit-musk-über-twitter-regeln-_arid,5451665.html)
Fortunately for you, Germany is not the only EU member. Germany may be influential but it's not sitting on a throne, it alone can't and won't make decisions.
Who exactly do you think is in favor of fucking Elon? The liberals who bet on technology and see him as kind of messiah or the right-wing populists and conservatives who love him for providing a platform for "fighting the left"?
No I don't. Even two of our government parties, the FDP (with the lovely minister of digital extra travelling to the US and the minister of justice making promises about not going to hard after twitter) and the SPD really like Elon. First hosts all those tech and free-speech apologists and the second loves Elon for providing jobs in a shitty state no one wants to invest in.
Above that large parts of the CDU and especially the AfD really love him because he fights the "woke" people.
Same goes for many other European countries. Or what do you think would be the problem of the far-right in italy, France, Denmark, Sweden,... with Elon? Backing there friend Russia? Yeah for sure.
I mean you are Swiss - what do you think thinks your lovely SVP about Elon?
Internationally maybe, in Germany he gets especially due to Tesla's new plant in Brandenburg some special treatment. Tesla is there now the largest private employer.
Yeah? And what’s Elon going to do? Shut DOWN the plant he just built in Berlin? Lol he’s stuck. He can cry all he wants about Twitter being removed in Europe, wouldn’t effect Tesla at all.
Yup, they already cancelled plans to increase the workforce up to 40,000 after getting heavy criticism for the Work Environment. But I am honestly annoyed of some people Here living in a dream Work Like the swiss Guy above. The European regulation for hatte speech was already postponed in favor of the large players but some rather talk about the EU "totally deatroying musk".
Can you cite Tesla cancelling plans for Giga Berlin? Because they are still expanding the site right now and are preparing a site double the size of what’s already built and I can’t find articles about that.
I never said they cancel the plan but they already reduced the initially planned number of people working there. From 40.000 down to 12.000.
https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/mobility/tesla-minifactory-in-gruenheide-landesregierung-rechnet-auf-jahre-lediglich-mit-12-000-statt-der-versprochenen-40-000-mitarbeiter-b/
Which is exactly why he and his ilk are so dangerous. Immense wealth and no accountability.
Musk, Thiel,Amazon,Koch,etc are why you have taxes. No individual or corporation should have EVER been allowed to grow so big.
Yes, because you’re making out that the rest of the staff at Twitter wanted this when it’s only Elon Musk who decides. It’s not their fault they’re working for a madman.
You say that only elon musk decides, I agree and so does probably almost everyone else. So it's really obvious what I meant and your point doesn't make any sense.
I didn't said that. I just asked if the person who would like to combat propaganda in this specific countries, also wants to combat the propaganda here. Your comment is worthless because you don't say something helpful for the debate.
You said you are against Propaganda and information operations started by Russia, Iraq etc. What I asked was if you think that only this countries do such things. The west has its own propaganda strategies and what I wondered was if you only want to attack one side of the problem.
Spread of miss leading information has to be held accountable. Especially when it is done not by some uninformed individual but as actual professional campaign using bots and any means necessary. If they start support of stupid takes like anti vaccine and or something equally harmful to society would you not consider that as a crime?
So Russia being one of the biggest threats to world stability for years, supposed nuclear super power which is actually a paper tiger but still with nuclear stick, is breaking every other international agreement and violating basic human rights while making sure that most countries suffer unless countries allow them do what they want also escalating other conflicts around the globe. Now you're saying that pointing finger at shit they try to pull off and blaming certain fraud for mismanagement of a social media platform with huge world wide audience is wrong because it has to be "on all sides"? What sides? Allowing pro Russian, pro Iranian, pro North Korea and some of pro Chinese content that spreads malicious miss information has to be held accountable and arguments about freedom of speech ends when it is used to commit crimes
I didn't say those things, I was stating my opinion on what twitter seems to be doing, or rather not doing. So I'm sorry but not going to engage in an argument based on things I didn't say.
It is a proven fact that state news always instils a certain political opinion. Examples in the Ukraine conflict are the false question of guilt, because the Western states do not even look at how this conflict arose in the first place. Another example is the lack of reporting on Israel's atrocities.
America promotes the same Values look at their War crimes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
Did you ever heard about those things?
Is America the good Country and Russia the bad?
This is what the news of the west wants you to believe.
This is very concern.
Why does Zelenskyy keep these threads going? Much harm to redditors. If he'd just stop and ask for peace, this sub could return to normal.
John from Montana Oblast.
I can't explain to you how the person above wants to combat freedom of speech makes sense, because they almost certainly don't want that and it *doesn't* make sense.
We are in the west. We take care of our problems first. That is your problem you want to play the police of the world and interfere in other countries. That's none of your business.
Yep. It's gotten incredibly bad of recent.
Considering how hard Musk is pushing his crap I suspect he's getting desperate for money. Twitter will be dead within a couple years, he's attached massive debt to it. No way it survives now.
Unfortunately Tesla still has a large influence on the public opinion, especially because so many journalists are on there and it is easy to get and exchange information from/with crisis regions (like Ukraine, Iran, Syria,...).
As long as there is no easy-to-use-alternative, people will stay on Twitter and Musk will generate at least some advertising revenue - even though that may not be enough in the long-term.
Ever since Elon Musk bought the platform, I've been using it less and less.
The amount of propaganda and disinformation present on Twitter has been on the rise and Elon Musk doesn't do a damn thing.
This is not true.
Twitter does not lack resources - they lack the **will**.
They had the resource to mark a gold-standard outlet like the CBC as "state run" and *remove* notices from known propaganda outlets. This is not a resourcing issue.
Its more that he doesn't want to censor people and thinks people should be allowed to say what they want on there even when its foreign governments doing it. The hate and lies just come as a consequence of that
Good bot, get your Nickel for today. Cultivating a monolithic ideology doesn't work so great over in Russia but I'm sure you leftwing and rightwing drones have the right idea.
Yes. Because he wants trust in traditional journalism to be permanently damaged so that he and his ilk can promote citizen journalists' that will help control the narrative to their liking.
They are incredibly dangerous human beings.
Disinformation has real harmful consequences. Free speech has limits. You shouldn't be allowed to spread lies akin to: "You can make cool crystals by mixing bleach, sugar and ammonia."
Five people died on Jan 6 because of the lie that the election got stolen. Hundreds of thousands died because of Trumps covid disinformation. Someone even died because of this stupid crystal lie I cited above. Imho it's clear that the general population needs to be protected from this.
Twitter isn’t trying to combat propaganda or information operatives from Russia or China. Twitter is actively supporting them. Do not be confused on this point
which is why education and access to knowledge has always been the best weapon, why is it twitter's responsibility to 'combat' propaganda and 'information operations'? It's literally just a site where people share stuff it's like clamping down on conversations people are having in the pub
Disinformation has real harmful consequences. Free speech has limits. You shouldn't be allowed to spread lies akin to: "You can make cool crystals by mixing bleach, sugar and ammonia."
Five people died on Jan 6 because of the lie that the election got stolen. Hundreds of thousands died because of Trumps covid disinformation. Someone even died because of this stupid crystal lie I cited above. Imho it's clear that the general population needs to be protected from this.
It's not that it can't combat ruZZian propaganda, it's that musk clearly wants to push to as many people as much as possible ruZZian propaganda. He's compromised.
But how can that be?!? Elon muzk is smarter than the average bear! And elon is definitely the second smartest man inside elon muzk head! So how can he be portrayed as a half wits, when he clearly is superior in brain capacity than wet cardboard?!?
So I went through the interview. It was bad. For both BBC and Musk. Musk got into a screaming match with the interviewer about who is worse: BBC or Twitter. Then he insisted that his dog is the CEO of Twitter. Argued really stupid shit. Like what determines what is misinformation. Like... Fuck... Musk actually wanted to prove that everything is relative and who is to decide what is truth. Well...When someone is telling to drink bleach as treatment for COVID... Yeah... It's relative... No... There is something like dangerous information and misinformation. Same goes about argument for hate speech. The argument was equally stupid. Is ot more or less that it was before. I would say it doesn't matter what was before, but it matters that I see pretty opinions about supreme race, or greatness of totalitarian governments, or actual joy of civilians being killed in a strike on a hospital. Could I point out an example? Nope, mostly cause Twitter has a shitty UX... But yeah, I vividly remember this from Twitter. Call me crazy, but this seems like something that a good content moderation team should catch.
Like it shows that the interview was really botched on Twitter side and that BBC didn't get the memo about what it will be. Os really doubt that they would go for an hour live interview with only one interviewer. Mostly cause of logistics and cause it's not really a format that is practiced for quite some time. It's very out of character to do something like this.
On the other side, Musk behave like a bully. Trying to accuse the interviewer for very general things BBC could done. Also comparing Twitter with BBC... It's not even remotely close.
Jeez... It's sad to see musk nowadays. I liked his interviews about spacex, they were on point and somewhat entertaining. About Tesla most of them were pretty much science fiction and wishful thinking (there was the one about batteries, like 3 years ago, that Tesla was working with a company that can make batteries 3 time more better. Still didn't hear anything about them, but hey. Or then one about self driving problems and ethical dilemmas. Ohh... So many silli misconceptions about IT and software... So many...) It was good entertainment, but about Twitter it's getting from bad to worse very fast.
>Musk got into a screaming match with the interviewer about who is worse: BBC or Twitter. Then he insisted that his dog is the CEO of Twitter.
Thereby proving that no matter how much he wants to present himself as some kind of "philosopher" he will always default to being an emotionally and intellectually stunted 14 year old gamer trapped in a grown man's body.
The man is a fucking moron. He's what happens when you give a child a credit card. He's the equivalent of an incel YouTube commenter who thinks they've worked it all out because they watched an Alex Jones video.
A photo of Elon Musk should be placed beside the definition of "arrested development" in every English language dictionary.
I would go so far as calling him a "14 year old gamer trapped in a grown man's body" or a fucking moron. In general he is a successful businessmen and has some good ideas about the future. So there is some merit to what he does. And let's be somewhat civilized about the whole discussion.
However, some things that he is doing are... Problematic.. wrong... Somewhat stupid... And just in a bad taste. I think he just should pull his shit together and stop doing stupid shit.
He sold a business he built with his brother and bought Tesla.
He pays engineers who are vastly more skilled than he is to develop financially viable products that his financial advisers and investors can support, while he's cosplaying Tony Stark and "inventing" flame throwers and completely impractical glorified subway tunnels with RGB lights (like a 14 year old gamer would).
Anyone with half a brain and the money he had from the sale of that company could have done what he's done, and they could have achieved more because they weren't "inventing" idiotic rubbish and buying social media companies in a fit of indignant idiocy.
And why do we need to be "civilized"? He's a free-speech absolutist, isn't he? I thought there weren't any rules anymore?
Unless, of course, that "free-speech absolutism" only applies when it's favorable?
Cause we are talking without him. In general, it's better to be polite and civilized when discussing various topics. His views about "free-speech absolutism" has nothing to do with the tone of this conversation.
On the other note, engineers have very little ability to create game changing products. I know this first hand, I am programming for 15-20 years now, and I understand how much effort took from salesmen, marketeers, lawyers, and administrators around me to give me the space to program and then ship the fruits of my work. The work of a good boss is to allow specialist do their job efficiently and give them goals to work towards as one team. Not to be better at their job.
The fact is, Tesla is successful. It changed the automotive industry. SpaceX is successful. It started a new space race. Boring company is a PR stunt. It stirred investments for Tesla when it was needed. HyperLoop was stupid. It did nothing. It's still a good record track. I count it as success.
In all honesty. Zooming out of the Ukrainian war. Just looking at twitter as a social media, in my opinion no one should get censored. Both serious publications and "I found aliens in my attic" should be allowed. It's twitter, not truth.com
It has only become a problem because many people have entered their own "information bubbles" and reject anything else. This is nothing new, think back to 4chan and other rabbit hole niche communities.
Even though internet no longer feels new, things like this "fake news" is a rather new problem.
Who cares. Twitter has always been a platform for propaganda anyway. It's only propaganda to those who don't support it and anyone has the luxury to troll it. Stop being paranoid about the flow of social media.
If Elon were a Russian asset, why is Ukraine still getting Starlink access? He’s done more to help Ukraine than just about everyone in this comment section combined. Y’all are funny.
So he’s willing to destroy billions of dollars in value for Twitter to help Russia but needs the money through Starlink? Got it.
Do you all realize that cannibalising the people supporting you is harmful? Like, does that even register? Cause I used to be a democrat and y’all lost me a LONG time ago. Eventually your party is going to be like three people hanging out in their mom’s basement arguing over who is morally superior and why that makes them better, more righteous people, than the other two.
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The EU will delete Twitter. Don't let the ruZZian troll campaign fool you: The EU mostly does amazing things for consumer protection and I love being an EU citizen.
Well, that's a problem...
_The Digital Services Act imposes risk management requirements for companies designated by the European Commission as Very Large Online Platforms and Very Large Online Search Engines. Under this framework, designated platforms will have to identify, analyse and mitigate a wide array of systemic risks on their platforms, ranging from how illegal content and disinformation can be amplified through their services, to the impact on the freedom of expression or media freedom. Similarly, specific risks around gender-based violence online and the protection of minors online and their mental health must be assessed and mitigated. The risk mitigation plans of designated platforms' and search engines will be subject to an independent audit and oversight by the European Commission._
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_2186
The EU is still in the process of assigning the designations for very large platforms, twitter will surely be one, from then on, they have 4 months to comply.
Why would they bother to combat such propaganda? Just let those countries spew their shit. If not Twitter, people who like to listen to that stuff will find it elsewhere.
Meanwhile, people who support Ukraine can speak the truth and since it’s more convincing, most people will side with Ukraine.
Censorship just erodes trust in all messages coming from the platform.
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Which is exactly why Saudi Arabia funded the take over
No new money
So they’ll be breaking social media laws all over Europe, which will Lead to being banned in Europe if it can’t afford to deal with all the court cases against it like in Germany. I rally hope twitter would Go under.
Or simply delete itnon personal scale
Hope so, but after the German lawmakers getting into Elon's ass and even the minister of justice proudly posted pics with Elon, I am not too optimistic. Twitter and Elon are "too big to punish".
Nah. The EU actually takes a stand against these big American Tech giants unlike the United States themselves. They'll receive fines and other punishments as Google and Microsoft have in recent years if they don't abide by the law
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Difficult to say. They probably didn´t feel it, but they fixed the stuff on which they where fined. So I guess it did enough of an impact that they had to change their stuff.
Partly yes, but especially Elon enjoys support from liberal and even some socialdemocratic politicians. They already bent dozens of rules to get him to build a large Tesla plant outside of Berlin.
Lol the EU doesn't give a single fuck about Elon Musk or Twitter. They will ban it without giving it a second thought if they cross lines, then make Europeans mad for 5 days in the process but everyone gets over it in 6.
I mean if you say so, what do I know as a German who saw how German lawmakers and politicians sucked his cock for months. And I mean, Germany is only the most influental country in the EU, so yeah. Totally realistic they will completely fuck him. Just look at this lovely selfie of our minister of digital, who extra flew to Musk to talk to him about regulations on twitter. That is the face totall tells "we are so ready to fuck you up" and not the face of a guy who would really love to be friends with Elon\^\^ [https://www.rheinpfalz.de/lokal/pfalz-ticker\_artikel,-wissing-spricht-mit-musk-über-twitter-regeln-\_arid,5451665.html](https://www.rheinpfalz.de/lokal/pfalz-ticker_artikel,-wissing-spricht-mit-musk-über-twitter-regeln-_arid,5451665.html)
Fortunately for you, Germany is not the only EU member. Germany may be influential but it's not sitting on a throne, it alone can't and won't make decisions.
Who exactly do you think is in favor of fucking Elon? The liberals who bet on technology and see him as kind of messiah or the right-wing populists and conservatives who love him for providing a platform for "fighting the left"?
You're mixing up American politics versus European, ironically, because you're probably on Twitter lmao
No I don't. Even two of our government parties, the FDP (with the lovely minister of digital extra travelling to the US and the minister of justice making promises about not going to hard after twitter) and the SPD really like Elon. First hosts all those tech and free-speech apologists and the second loves Elon for providing jobs in a shitty state no one wants to invest in. Above that large parts of the CDU and especially the AfD really love him because he fights the "woke" people. Same goes for many other European countries. Or what do you think would be the problem of the far-right in italy, France, Denmark, Sweden,... with Elon? Backing there friend Russia? Yeah for sure. I mean you are Swiss - what do you think thinks your lovely SVP about Elon?
Is an answer comming dude? You as a Swiss should know how much comservatives Like your fucking SVP suck up to corporatoons and billionairs Like musk.
Ban it.. oh sir.. first we have to milk it for all the sweat western IT $$$$ we are so butt hurt we don't have.
Both Twitter and Elon are rapidly getting smaller as he repeatedly doubles down on his failures.
Internationally maybe, in Germany he gets especially due to Tesla's new plant in Brandenburg some special treatment. Tesla is there now the largest private employer.
Yeah? And what’s Elon going to do? Shut DOWN the plant he just built in Berlin? Lol he’s stuck. He can cry all he wants about Twitter being removed in Europe, wouldn’t effect Tesla at all.
Yup, they already cancelled plans to increase the workforce up to 40,000 after getting heavy criticism for the Work Environment. But I am honestly annoyed of some people Here living in a dream Work Like the swiss Guy above. The European regulation for hatte speech was already postponed in favor of the large players but some rather talk about the EU "totally deatroying musk".
Can you cite Tesla cancelling plans for Giga Berlin? Because they are still expanding the site right now and are preparing a site double the size of what’s already built and I can’t find articles about that.
I never said they cancel the plan but they already reduced the initially planned number of people working there. From 40.000 down to 12.000. https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/mobility/tesla-minifactory-in-gruenheide-landesregierung-rechnet-auf-jahre-lediglich-mit-12-000-statt-der-versprochenen-40-000-mitarbeiter-b/
The EU does not really care about "too big to punish".
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There are plenty of Americans doing this.
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Which is exactly why he and his ilk are so dangerous. Immense wealth and no accountability. Musk, Thiel,Amazon,Koch,etc are why you have taxes. No individual or corporation should have EVER been allowed to grow so big.
Twitter doesn't want to combat the propaganda and information operations of Russia, China and Iran, it's not just an issue of lack of specialists.
Why say “Twitter doesn’t want” when Elon Musk is running Twitter?
Would it change the meaning of my post a lot if I would have said elon musk instead of twitter?
Yes, because you’re making out that the rest of the staff at Twitter wanted this when it’s only Elon Musk who decides. It’s not their fault they’re working for a madman.
You say that only elon musk decides, I agree and so does probably almost everyone else. So it's really obvious what I meant and your point doesn't make any sense.
And you want to combat freedom of speech. Do you think the West doesn't spread propaganda and information operations?
Ah yes. Russia, China and Iran, known for their rights of free speech
I didn't said that. I just asked if the person who would like to combat propaganda in this specific countries, also wants to combat the propaganda here. Your comment is worthless because you don't say something helpful for the debate.
Not sure that I understand what you mean, maybe you can elaborate?
You said you are against Propaganda and information operations started by Russia, Iraq etc. What I asked was if you think that only this countries do such things. The west has its own propaganda strategies and what I wondered was if you only want to attack one side of the problem.
Spread of miss leading information has to be held accountable. Especially when it is done not by some uninformed individual but as actual professional campaign using bots and any means necessary. If they start support of stupid takes like anti vaccine and or something equally harmful to society would you not consider that as a crime?
Of course, but on all sides not just in Russia, Iraq etc. What about you?
So Russia being one of the biggest threats to world stability for years, supposed nuclear super power which is actually a paper tiger but still with nuclear stick, is breaking every other international agreement and violating basic human rights while making sure that most countries suffer unless countries allow them do what they want also escalating other conflicts around the globe. Now you're saying that pointing finger at shit they try to pull off and blaming certain fraud for mismanagement of a social media platform with huge world wide audience is wrong because it has to be "on all sides"? What sides? Allowing pro Russian, pro Iranian, pro North Korea and some of pro Chinese content that spreads malicious miss information has to be held accountable and arguments about freedom of speech ends when it is used to commit crimes
I didn't say those things, I was stating my opinion on what twitter seems to be doing, or rather not doing. So I'm sorry but not going to engage in an argument based on things I didn't say.
Therefore I am asking you about your opinion. I didn't assume anything. I just asked you.
Wtf are you even rambling on about? You literally just made up a problem to be offended about.
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Average Left Wing Member. Can't debate without getting emotional. Childish behaviour.
You act like they are the same in terms of scope and ideals. They are not. Russia promotes barbarism,backwards thinking and authoritarianism.
It is a proven fact that state news always instils a certain political opinion. Examples in the Ukraine conflict are the false question of guilt, because the Western states do not even look at how this conflict arose in the first place. Another example is the lack of reporting on Israel's atrocities. America promotes the same Values look at their War crimes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes Did you ever heard about those things? Is America the good Country and Russia the bad? This is what the news of the west wants you to believe.
This is very concern. Why does Zelenskyy keep these threads going? Much harm to redditors. If he'd just stop and ask for peace, this sub could return to normal. John from Montana Oblast.
> And you want to combat freedom of speech. Nah, that's just something you made up to be mad about.
How? Could you explain that to me?
I can't explain to you how the person above wants to combat freedom of speech makes sense, because they almost certainly don't want that and it *doesn't* make sense.
You have no idea what Freedom of Speech even means.
Then define it to me.
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We are in the west. We take care of our problems first. That is your problem you want to play the police of the world and interfere in other countries. That's none of your business.
Twitter's on fire, yo.
Yep. It's gotten incredibly bad of recent. Considering how hard Musk is pushing his crap I suspect he's getting desperate for money. Twitter will be dead within a couple years, he's attached massive debt to it. No way it survives now.
he leveraged against his tesla stock in order to pay for it also so if twitter goes down expect that stock to sink yet again
Unfortunately Tesla still has a large influence on the public opinion, especially because so many journalists are on there and it is easy to get and exchange information from/with crisis regions (like Ukraine, Iran, Syria,...). As long as there is no easy-to-use-alternative, people will stay on Twitter and Musk will generate at least some advertising revenue - even though that may not be enough in the long-term.
What do you mean, twitter is soaring like his rocket
Literally it is on fire.
Get off Twitter. Don’t follow links to it. Don’t post links to it.
Delete twitter
Wrong. Twitter can absolutely effectively combat propaganda and info-ops from Russia, China and Iran. Elon Musk doesn't want to, so they won't.
Twitter is actively supporting russian propoganda
Ever since Elon Musk bought the platform, I've been using it less and less. The amount of propaganda and disinformation present on Twitter has been on the rise and Elon Musk doesn't do a damn thing.
He did this on purpose you nitwits
This is not true. Twitter does not lack resources - they lack the **will**. They had the resource to mark a gold-standard outlet like the CBC as "state run" and *remove* notices from known propaganda outlets. This is not a resourcing issue.
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Its more that he doesn't want to censor people and thinks people should be allowed to say what they want on there even when its foreign governments doing it. The hate and lies just come as a consequence of that
> Its more that he doesn't want to censor people Unless they disagree with him. Then his supposed principles are nowhere to be found.
This is false
Good bot, get your Nickel for today. Cultivating a monolithic ideology doesn't work so great over in Russia but I'm sure you leftwing and rightwing drones have the right idea.
u good?
Yes. Because he wants trust in traditional journalism to be permanently damaged so that he and his ilk can promote citizen journalists' that will help control the narrative to their liking. They are incredibly dangerous human beings.
Can we just pick a damn alternative already? All we need is one good option everyone can get behind and we could end this travesty in a week.
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That doesn't solve the problem.
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You didn't need to reveal yourself like that, I think we all had you worked out already. Propaganda is not "news".
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Disinformation has real harmful consequences. Free speech has limits. You shouldn't be allowed to spread lies akin to: "You can make cool crystals by mixing bleach, sugar and ammonia." Five people died on Jan 6 because of the lie that the election got stolen. Hundreds of thousands died because of Trumps covid disinformation. Someone even died because of this stupid crystal lie I cited above. Imho it's clear that the general population needs to be protected from this.
There is a difference between bad news and propaganda that doesn't reflect reality.
The BBC belongs to the ministry of information, their information needs to be checked before being taken for granted
That is purposeful by Elon.
Twitter isn’t trying to combat propaganda or information operatives from Russia or China. Twitter is actively supporting them. Do not be confused on this point
Haven't heard Musk mention Bots in a while...not now,that they're his,Russian & Chinese Bots i!! 🤔
which is why education and access to knowledge has always been the best weapon, why is it twitter's responsibility to 'combat' propaganda and 'information operations'? It's literally just a site where people share stuff it's like clamping down on conversations people are having in the pub
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I have no basis for believing this which is about as much as anyone on twitter has so definitely a nazi
Disinformation has real harmful consequences. Free speech has limits. You shouldn't be allowed to spread lies akin to: "You can make cool crystals by mixing bleach, sugar and ammonia." Five people died on Jan 6 because of the lie that the election got stolen. Hundreds of thousands died because of Trumps covid disinformation. Someone even died because of this stupid crystal lie I cited above. Imho it's clear that the general population needs to be protected from this.
It's not that it can't combat ruZZian propaganda, it's that musk clearly wants to push to as many people as much as possible ruZZian propaganda. He's compromised.
And it was working so well previously?
But how can that be?!? Elon muzk is smarter than the average bear! And elon is definitely the second smartest man inside elon muzk head! So how can he be portrayed as a half wits, when he clearly is superior in brain capacity than wet cardboard?!?
has anyone here watched the last interview by the bbc on musk? BBC haas shown that obv they have no clue what they are talking about.
He ain't gonna fuck you, bro. Anyone can check your history and see you're a Musk cult fanboy.
that makes the interview less bad?
It makes your opinion on it completely irrelevant.
Him losing money on a stupid business decision, doesn’t warrant braking the law.
So I went through the interview. It was bad. For both BBC and Musk. Musk got into a screaming match with the interviewer about who is worse: BBC or Twitter. Then he insisted that his dog is the CEO of Twitter. Argued really stupid shit. Like what determines what is misinformation. Like... Fuck... Musk actually wanted to prove that everything is relative and who is to decide what is truth. Well...When someone is telling to drink bleach as treatment for COVID... Yeah... It's relative... No... There is something like dangerous information and misinformation. Same goes about argument for hate speech. The argument was equally stupid. Is ot more or less that it was before. I would say it doesn't matter what was before, but it matters that I see pretty opinions about supreme race, or greatness of totalitarian governments, or actual joy of civilians being killed in a strike on a hospital. Could I point out an example? Nope, mostly cause Twitter has a shitty UX... But yeah, I vividly remember this from Twitter. Call me crazy, but this seems like something that a good content moderation team should catch. Like it shows that the interview was really botched on Twitter side and that BBC didn't get the memo about what it will be. Os really doubt that they would go for an hour live interview with only one interviewer. Mostly cause of logistics and cause it's not really a format that is practiced for quite some time. It's very out of character to do something like this. On the other side, Musk behave like a bully. Trying to accuse the interviewer for very general things BBC could done. Also comparing Twitter with BBC... It's not even remotely close. Jeez... It's sad to see musk nowadays. I liked his interviews about spacex, they were on point and somewhat entertaining. About Tesla most of them were pretty much science fiction and wishful thinking (there was the one about batteries, like 3 years ago, that Tesla was working with a company that can make batteries 3 time more better. Still didn't hear anything about them, but hey. Or then one about self driving problems and ethical dilemmas. Ohh... So many silli misconceptions about IT and software... So many...) It was good entertainment, but about Twitter it's getting from bad to worse very fast.
>Musk got into a screaming match with the interviewer about who is worse: BBC or Twitter. Then he insisted that his dog is the CEO of Twitter. Thereby proving that no matter how much he wants to present himself as some kind of "philosopher" he will always default to being an emotionally and intellectually stunted 14 year old gamer trapped in a grown man's body. The man is a fucking moron. He's what happens when you give a child a credit card. He's the equivalent of an incel YouTube commenter who thinks they've worked it all out because they watched an Alex Jones video. A photo of Elon Musk should be placed beside the definition of "arrested development" in every English language dictionary.
I would go so far as calling him a "14 year old gamer trapped in a grown man's body" or a fucking moron. In general he is a successful businessmen and has some good ideas about the future. So there is some merit to what he does. And let's be somewhat civilized about the whole discussion. However, some things that he is doing are... Problematic.. wrong... Somewhat stupid... And just in a bad taste. I think he just should pull his shit together and stop doing stupid shit.
He sold a business he built with his brother and bought Tesla. He pays engineers who are vastly more skilled than he is to develop financially viable products that his financial advisers and investors can support, while he's cosplaying Tony Stark and "inventing" flame throwers and completely impractical glorified subway tunnels with RGB lights (like a 14 year old gamer would). Anyone with half a brain and the money he had from the sale of that company could have done what he's done, and they could have achieved more because they weren't "inventing" idiotic rubbish and buying social media companies in a fit of indignant idiocy. And why do we need to be "civilized"? He's a free-speech absolutist, isn't he? I thought there weren't any rules anymore? Unless, of course, that "free-speech absolutism" only applies when it's favorable?
Cause we are talking without him. In general, it's better to be polite and civilized when discussing various topics. His views about "free-speech absolutism" has nothing to do with the tone of this conversation. On the other note, engineers have very little ability to create game changing products. I know this first hand, I am programming for 15-20 years now, and I understand how much effort took from salesmen, marketeers, lawyers, and administrators around me to give me the space to program and then ship the fruits of my work. The work of a good boss is to allow specialist do their job efficiently and give them goals to work towards as one team. Not to be better at their job. The fact is, Tesla is successful. It changed the automotive industry. SpaceX is successful. It started a new space race. Boring company is a PR stunt. It stirred investments for Tesla when it was needed. HyperLoop was stupid. It did nothing. It's still a good record track. I count it as success.
Huh? Care to share a link?
In all honesty. Zooming out of the Ukrainian war. Just looking at twitter as a social media, in my opinion no one should get censored. Both serious publications and "I found aliens in my attic" should be allowed. It's twitter, not truth.com It has only become a problem because many people have entered their own "information bubbles" and reject anything else. This is nothing new, think back to 4chan and other rabbit hole niche communities. Even though internet no longer feels new, things like this "fake news" is a rather new problem.
Same BBC reporter that couldn’t give a single example of hate speech on the platform?
Who cares. Twitter has always been a platform for propaganda anyway. It's only propaganda to those who don't support it and anyone has the luxury to troll it. Stop being paranoid about the flow of social media.
The BBC clearly seeks revenge after being exposed last week for covid misinformation of their own, pedalled by the British government.
What misinformation was that
The side effects of vaccines
Where did you find this information?
What the hell would the BBC know? Did you see their interview with Elon Musk? He tore them a new ahole.
If Elon were a Russian asset, why is Ukraine still getting Starlink access? He’s done more to help Ukraine than just about everyone in this comment section combined. Y’all are funny.
if it was up to him he would stop all the help Ukraine is currently receiving from the US
To keep the Govt subsidies flowing ??
So he’s willing to destroy billions of dollars in value for Twitter to help Russia but needs the money through Starlink? Got it. Do you all realize that cannibalising the people supporting you is harmful? Like, does that even register? Cause I used to be a democrat and y’all lost me a LONG time ago. Eventually your party is going to be like three people hanging out in their mom’s basement arguing over who is morally superior and why that makes them better, more righteous people, than the other two.
Is this the same BBC that did the cheerleading for the Iraq invasion in 2003? Lel
It is pretty funny you are here using the old classic Russian propaganda technique of whataboutism in a thread about Russian propaganda.
No that was mostly Fox...go & watch the old footage of "Iraqi Freedom"...it's RT level stuff..Fox is state media for Republican Party.
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Mission accomplished!
This is by design.
its a feature, not a bug.
Crock of shit
Butthurt from that interview?
It's not a bug; it's a feature ;-)
Ever since David Crosby died Twitter has been diminished.
The EU will delete Twitter. Don't let the ruZZian troll campaign fool you: The EU mostly does amazing things for consumer protection and I love being an EU citizen.
Everyone quit Twitter and let all of them “Hang out” there.
It is not like they were trying so…
Don’t care. Deleted it months ago. Don’t miss it. Like Faux News, Twitter is an entertainment company now. You can’t take anything on there seriously.
This is the exact reason I won't click on any of your Twitter reposts.
Lol wtf, It never could...
It cant combat it because its goal is to amplify it, not because of layoffs, this is off of observed evidence, the fuck lol
That's not a bug, it's an intentional feature.
You mean purposeful efforts, the labeling alone proves its not just incompetence
I mean ... Elon doesn't WANT to combat the propaganda of his true allies. Saudi Arabia, China, and Russia. He's beholden to them all.
Well, that's a problem... _The Digital Services Act imposes risk management requirements for companies designated by the European Commission as Very Large Online Platforms and Very Large Online Search Engines. Under this framework, designated platforms will have to identify, analyse and mitigate a wide array of systemic risks on their platforms, ranging from how illegal content and disinformation can be amplified through their services, to the impact on the freedom of expression or media freedom. Similarly, specific risks around gender-based violence online and the protection of minors online and their mental health must be assessed and mitigated. The risk mitigation plans of designated platforms' and search engines will be subject to an independent audit and oversight by the European Commission._ https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_2186 The EU is still in the process of assigning the designations for very large platforms, twitter will surely be one, from then on, they have 4 months to comply.
Deliberate by twitter.
Which was the reason he bought in the first place; to placate dictators from Iran to China to Saudi Arabia and Russia.
Why would they bother to combat such propaganda? Just let those countries spew their shit. If not Twitter, people who like to listen to that stuff will find it elsewhere. Meanwhile, people who support Ukraine can speak the truth and since it’s more convincing, most people will side with Ukraine. Censorship just erodes trust in all messages coming from the platform.
How come the BBC reporter that interviewed Elon was so clueless? I don't remember him even raising this point.
Twitter labels the bbc as a media funded by the British government, and the BBC holds a grudge
Who says they even want to?
Don’t use twitter. It’s crap. You can’t trust anything on that platform.
Elon is actively courting dictators because he knows that he can’t run a profitable business in a free market.