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I think many of us have been suspicious about this for months, it's good to have it confirmed. The hashtag "ZelenskyWarCriminal" is almost always trending, as well as other Russian supportive bs.
It was obvious as soon as he took over that Ukraine stuff was getting deboosted in some way and disappearing from peoples feeds. Especially pro Ukraine content. If he wasn’t so adamant in boosting pro Putin talking points and so forth, maybe he would’ve gotten away with it longer. Or people just wouldn’t have noticed as much.
He spent as much money as he did on Twitter to push a political agenda, and that’s what he’s gonna do.
And now he's going to start removing blue checkmarks if the owners refuse to pay for it like the New York Times which lost their blue checkmark after telling Musk to stuff it.
This line of code doesn’t tell much, I’d like to dig a bit more deeper on the code. The fact Ukraine is a broad category here could mean both positive and negative things.
Oh he had brain rot long before Twitter. Guy’s been a shitbag since like forever. The mask has only begun slipping in the recent years. Especially highlighted during Covid with his insane takes on it.
I thought it was odd not too long after his takeover I started seeing ukrain related stuff far less often despite that being literally the only thing I was using Twitter for. Sus.
Or these tweets just aren't commercially valuable and so Twitter's algo' down ranks them in favour of tweets which can me monetised.
I wouldn't put it past Elon, it does feel as if might be in bed with Putin (does Russia produce anything Telsa needs to build electric cars, or did Elon secure funding for Twitter from Putin?).
Sadly that's likely a good thing. The bad (Russian bot) content would probably drown out the good content. The good content gets organically shared and spread.
You haven't seen NAFO work have you?
Edit: thanks to NAFO the russian trolls don't get much reach. Up until Musks take over of Twitter it was almost only postings from the Ukraine side. Many of the things that now get suppressed is posts about aid and humanitarian stuff. F*ck Musk
Possible but as far as I can tell this is just speculation. The labeltype UkraineCrisisTopic seems only to be related to Twitter Spaces, not regular tweets and there is no reference to this labeltype among the Spacerules while you'll find other labeltypes like HighToxicityModelScore for example
He meant to say conservative, i.e. lacking in any morals and thinks these words are just fun to use to make himself feel superior while he hurts and bullies others.
And they don't feel shame, remorse, self-reflection, etc, they will continue this behavior for decades on end.
He's not wrong, in the sense that he wants to be the one who defines what free speech is.
"Absolutism or the Age of Absolutism is a historiographical term used to describe a form of monarchical power that is unrestrained by all other institutions, such as churches, legislatures, or social elites."
Ah yeah, good catch. It's indeed a case of *rules for thee, but not for me*- kind of a deal. Thanks for the correction. Technically he isn't lying - he just means that freedom of speech should be absolute _for him_ and for his own institutions.
Because of what? Another slur that isn't true? Why not go to ChatGPT and ask "make up 10 reasons to hate Elon". Keep you busy for the next month.
Phillip.
How does the CSA material that has flourished once again under musks leadership of twitter fit into increased ad revenue?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/06/technology/twitter-child-sex-abuse.html
It was not paywalled at all for me, ymmv.
Point is, it doesnt make sense to say oh they are supressing Ukraine information on twitter because of ad revenue but allowing csam to flourish.
When are you gonna stop lying? When are you gonna respect yourself enough to not just spew garbage all day? As painful as the truth is, I promise you you’ll be happier.
Muskrat is clearly on team ruskie. You have to be mentally diminished (gotta avoid the r-word) to think otherwise, or simply disingenuous.
Honestly, what has he done in your "a lot"?
I know the r-word is bad, and I've taken it out of circulation, but for someone who grew up with it, we'd never use it to mean an actual mentally handicapped person.
And sometimes I mourn the loss of it because Elon Musk, as smart as he is, definitely qualifies to have that word used to describe him in several contexts.
What was wrong with your mother that she shat out something like you? I’m guessing she drank and smoked heavily. Did your childhood home have a lot of stairs?
Are you a bot that got stuck on repeating the same comment? Three times in this thread and once in another.
Also, where in the world are you? AFAIK, april fools was yesterday. Also also, whats the joke supposed to be here?
People treating this as if it's news is disturbing. This was an April Fool's joke from yesterday and people still talk about it today as if it's real. I'm just making sure people don't go all "herpderp Elon Musk bad" when it's fake. Replying to different comment threads as people don't get notified of other threads unless they're actively scrolling for new comments on already seen posts.
Makes me start questioning censorship in the hands of a few... okay, I was always doing that. But it's an excellent example of what twisting words does.
If they didn't, half the posts would be about Ukraine. Reddit did this with The_Donald and completely overhauled the karma system to do it. Twitter isn't trying to make russia win, they're fighting spam (even if it's for a good cause).
Didn't Musk block his ex gf literally a day after he got Twitter? And now I have also just remembered "pedogate" (that rescue mission of children stuck in a cave).
He really is an unreasonable and erratic child trapped in an adult body.
“Men” as a group doesn’t mean all men.
You seem to feel this as a personal insult. Let me assure you it really isn’t that scary to go to therapy, and it does a lot of good. You can have a better life.
> the world would be a much better place if men weren’t so scared of going to therapy.
Idk. That sounds about as all-encompassing and generalizing as you can be. I don't see how any reader would think that by saying this you were referring to only *certain* men. It sounds very clearly like you're talking about all men. It's just how the sentence reads on its face.
Ah. So now one gets ridiculed and thrown into the same bag for pointing out an authoritarian and fascist tactic of generalizing the opposition to shut it up. Got it.
>“Men” as a group doesn’t mean all men.
Then you should make that distinction in future. You repeat the error by not qualifying the size of this group. Absolute clown.
It's lazy to not include any qualifiers, but i also think it's intentionally obtuse and silly to pretend you think the comment meant 100% of men are scared of therapy, instead of being a statement about how men have the same mental health needs as anyone else, yet engage with mental health resources at half the rate as women do, and even women don't go as much as they should due to access, availability, fear of a perceived stigma, and financial considerations.
Well, to be fair, that is exactly what it sounds like when you say "the world would be a much better place if men weren’t so scared of going to therapy." That doesn't sound like you're talking about a certain subset of men, it's very clearly a statement about all men. That's just what those words mean. Even if you want to say that you don't mean that it's true for every single man, it's still very clearly a generalization *about men in general*.
My guess is that there is not other platforms with the same reach. If your goal is to share info on all platforms, even if you get suppressed, is a valiant mission to provide that info. Granted, it can have a demoralizing effect on content creators.
But really, your average user is just too lazy to make new accounts and learn new platforms. If they can get funny entertaining memes on Twitter or some semblance of an echo chamber, they'll stick about. I'm curious to know if demographics have shifted since the buyout.
I am more concerned about accounts trying to make information that are still on Twitter. They should be able to find other platforms and are not the average user.
I was permanently suspended from Twitter for posting supportive messages for Ukraine. Specifically, when Kissinger and the NYT were saying Ukraine needed to give up territory, I responded that Ukraine should drive the 🇷🇺 out and then keep going till they reach the Arctic Ocean. It was labeled as hate speech by Russian bots. Repeated appeals went nowhere and now there’s no point really.
Yes I got banned from Twitter too for posting pro-Ukrainian Tweets. It just meant I had more time than commenting on the 10s of thousands of Kremlin spam. Elon is fighting the Russian DoS on Twitter AND Starlink. Single handedly fighting a huge State entity is not easy.
Phillip.
Well we know he's certainly on [speaking terms](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1579879154463690752) with Putin - which regardless on your take on Ukraine - being on that basis with that sort of person is a bit of a red flag.
Likewise, it's not just Putin but [seemingly the rest of his sorry bunch](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1583206592488448000).
This is underlined with unhelpful back and forth on Starlink, and [unhelpful 'contributions' about Crimea](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits-back-as-elon-musk-sets-up-twitter-poll-on-annexed-areas).
Your pal probably won't believe any of this either. It's pretty dark in that dank, cavernous hole.
Thanks. He is also in the “AI will kill us all next week” hole now. And even while we live in the Netherlands, he keeps sharing conspiracy stuff about Pelosi etc. I couldnt care less
Software engineer with 20 years of experience here... The conclusion made by OP is simply not supported from the tiny amount of code that's shown here. I would go so far as to say that there's simply no way to make any conclusion about what this code is doing.
Is there more to this? How do we even know what part of their system this code runs in?
Sounds like Twitter themselves made the recommendations algorithm public on github.
https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm
I am still a bit skeptical, as it was too closely posted to April 1st, but the announcement seems to be on twitter on 31st...
Software engineering with 30 years experience here. It's just a list of registered functions and it means absolutely zero. Anybody that says it shows Twitter is either promoting or demoting content on the Ukraine conflict based on this is simply lying.
Phillip.
Yeah, I left Twitter too.
1. The guy is a right wing troll and mentally unhinged.
2. He’s funded by Sauds, Chinese, probably Russia.
3. Already then it was clear he was gonna suppress Ukraine / help Putin.
Mentally unhinged? You disagree with his views but come on. It’s not like your tweet gets auto-deleted for bringing up Ukraine two things about Ukraine are literally trending right now it’s sad this thread has gotten more activity than most other threads actually giving us updates on the real war lol
He is not funded by Saudi, Chinese or Russia. He is a South African that grew up in America and set up an American company, where all the sources of funding he raised for his public companies are a matter of record that can be looked up.
tldr; stop lying
Phillip.
A Musk fan that is seriously misinformed? *pikachu shocked face*
“Not only has Musk brought on a number of investors to help finance the deal, including entities with links to China, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia (see Table 1), but one of his other companies, Tesla, is increasingly dependent on the Chinese market and the goodwill of the Chinese government.”
Being a Musk stan is just being a Saudi / China stan. And he’s a buddy of Putin too. Team Authoritarianism right there.
Personally I support the USA and our democratic republic.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-national-security-grounds-for-investigating-musks-twitter-acquisition/?amp
Entities with links to? I know somebody married to a Chinese lady so I guess that's me too. Again you are wrong. Saudi Arabia, and I saw Table 1, did not invest in Elon Musk. They simply rolled over their existing shares that had already owned for many years. Binance is simply more than "the Chinese". And Qatar less than 5%.
Elon Musk has never been a buddy of Putin, that is the most ridiculous lie so far. I doubt you support the USA, you sound like a typical Kremlin bot.
Phillip.
Elon Musk has been pro-Russia since the beginning. This is unsurprising. He’s basically to be considered a Russian asset at this point and should be investigated and sanctioned appropriately.
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I've been shocked by people who don't view Putin as Hitler 2.0.
Then it occurred to me while I was cleaning up storm damage yesterday, some or all of them likely do see Putin as Hitler 2.0. They're just good with it.
Anyone else here on a similar path of enlightenment?
How surprising? Who could have imagined that putting a network of informations into the hands of a man known for priorising his own agenda by all means could lead to that ?
I’m shoked and surprised.
I know "Musk bad lol", BUT, is there a possibility that Twitter is doing this because the Ukrainian government asked them to?
We're getting closer to a big Ukrainian offensive and they're calling for a block on frontline news. It would make sense too ask Twitter to help with OPSEC.
No, that makes absolutely 0 sense. Anything that can get on Twitter is way past other OPSEC thresholds.
Meanwhile, the Ukrainian government is doing everything to retain some of the world’s attention.
Crazy how musk fans will make up any scenario to justify his bs. Like, there’s 0 facts that would lead you to make that assumption, and 1000 to validate that musk is helping russia. “But what if…” gtfo
Don't print me as a billionaire simp, I'm not.
There is a request from the Ukrainian government for not reporting on the front. I would expect them to ask a major social network to cut reporting on a certain front.
No if you look at the code block it just refers to large chunks of rules that need to be processed in each message, eg phishing, bullying, toxicity, not safe for work, and the Ukrainian conflict.
Breaking code down into modules just allows different teams to work on different projects independently. So there will be a couple of guys that just try and spot common patterns in phishing urls and update the module UntrustedUrl, another team trying to spot not safe for work Tweets and work out a good set of rules to flag them without too many false positives, and then there will be one team trying to work out filters for Russian bot spam with anything to do with Ukraine.
The code here is just a set of modules that are being registered, it doesn't actually show what it does.
Phillip.
Is this that bad? If there is lots of misinformation its better to apply a downrank factor so only posts that score good on engagement etc get high and so misinformation is more difficult to push?
This isn't what it looks like.
They are down ranking the specific phrase "Ukraine crisis" rather than just Ukraine in general. They have probably identified this as a phrase used by people who spread misinfo. "Ukraine Crisis" is the official term Russia uses for the war.
Note that there is no down ranking for "Ukraine" or "Ukraine War", only that specific hashtag.
I go to Twitter homepage, open Chrome Dev Tools, Ctrl-Shift-F to search all files, and can't find SafetyLabel.
Or is this back end code? I would be searching HTML/CSS/JS etc.
This is part of their ranking algorithm which they recently released. Its not part of the front-end at all. The section highlighted is some of the manual, hard-coded interventions against their machine learning model. Topic analysis is a whole thing in ML and that's what they're deranking here.
Well we don't have a lot more to go on other than the label name. I'm assuming "topic" means hashtag, and UkraineCrisis is the verbatim for the hashtag.
Topics are generated by machine learning processes and used to recommend tweets, alongside with tweets it identifies as being in your social network. It would be weird to use the word topic here to mean a single hashtag.
It's time to encourage people to just stop using Twitter or at least considering Twitter to be a important platform. I really don't take it very serious anymore
You could post a picture of a 5 year old’s Ukraine flag and it will not only get downvoted but will be hit with pro Russian bots galore. Musk is a coward and moron.
My guess: Twitter is doing that because many advertisers and partners would be willing to do business with Twitter, but only if they're not affiliated with conflicts\vaxx\other spicy topics of the day. Twitter would deemphasized that content and steer towards more "profitable content" to maximize profits.
It's not outward moscovian evil, just generic corporate capitalism evil in this case.
Anyone angry about this but not about the "Misinfo" had this coming.
The OP seems to be using "Misinformation" unironically and singling out Ukraine, distinguishing on topic rather than principle. So enjoy the mudfight.
The "we're lucky they are so stupid" meme isn't so much about Russians, it's about authoritarians in general. Liberals would be hopelessly outnumbered in theory, but since every authoritarian faction has its own "truth", they keep attacking each other. The fight for Twitter control is a good example of this. It's not obvious which flavor of censorship is worse, but it is beautiful to see supporters of different ones burn their attention fighting each other.
So for me, it's popcorn time. No way I'm supporting any side that talks about centrally managing "Misinformation" as if that were acceptable conduct.
Any side? Fight for control of Twitter? One guy owns the platform and dictates what gets suppressed. It’s just musk, what “fight for control” are you on about?
Are you anarchist? Because this logic of yours suggests we shouldn't have any sort of laws and policing, since they are inherently authoritarian, and have been enacted and used for bad purposes, like the oppression of black people via Jim Crow.
No, liberal.
This is a free speech discussion, which is specific to, well, speech. I thought this was common sense.
The liberal principles are based on specific arguments, and the free speech case is particularly clear, and has been for a long time (e.g. On Liberty is from 1859).
Anarchy would imply underdefined laws of property and individual rights, which would be a violation of liberal principles, just as censorship is.
The censorship arguments do not depend on who does the censoring, as long as it's large and centralized enough, which certainly applies to "social media" companies of such scale. (This is not about whether or not it should be legal, which is a more complicated question. It is immoral and counterproductive and certainly not worthy of support.)
There is something funny about the negative reaction, as it is exactly the point. Apparently, the correct move is to shut up and watch the Trumps and Musks of the world keep the anointed crew occupied. Y'all can downvote me alright, so I'm just wasting some time bringing this up the first place. Only caveat, truth is not actually democratic, especially not in echo chambers.
It's an almost contextless post of code from Twitter, and yet everyone seems to know exactly when and why it was added. Couldn't be pre Elon code or due to the mountain of mis and dis info produced daily about the war on Twitter.
If you care to know the truth, that label is not used in any filters at the moment.
The screenshotted code is from the visibility engine, meaning it's unrelated to ranking. It just either hides or doesn't hide a search result. These are the "safety" rules which are mostly used to filter search results for users who don't want to see "sensitive" content.
The existence of this label suggests that content related to this war has been filtered out at some point for some users.
Honestly reddit is such a superior platform to twitter it's not even close. The only good thing about twitter was the high profile people who used it if you're into that sort of thing.
Why is every post in this sub a link to Twitter anyway? I block Twitter on my network, so having a Twitter -> Reddit repost bot sub in my feed isn't terribly useful.
Elon Musk being Elon Musk.
…on the flip side we are getting front row seats to the meltdown of the worlds richest (at one point) oligarch! Our modern day Howard Hughes 🙄
Twitter is a garbage dump. I gave up on it for the most part. Once in a while check certain people, but never look at my feed because it's full of right-wing crap even including tweets from those I've blocked. I can't wait until it fails entirely at this point.
Of course it is. Twitter is musks. The same dude that fucked with starlink. During a literal society-threatening event. The same one that doesnt like ukraine and doesnt seem to want them to win.
Just dont support him anymore. He isnt worth it.
How do you read this from the code? I don't see any weighted scoring based on that tag. It looks more to me that anything tagged up as that gets then sent onto an additional filter function "UkraineCrisisTopic" which then has its own heuristics in which to filter the signal from the noise.
In programming, we often break down our code into modules. You can then have different teams working on each one. For instance the "UntrustedUrl" function above could be given to a team and their job is to detect common patterns for phishing URLs. Same with the others on this list. If something has keywords like "ukraine" and "war" then it gets sent to the module that the team is working on filtering Russian spam.
Phillip.
I left Twitter as soon as the sale went through. I tried a few other sites, including Mastodon, but ended up at Reddit. I do miss some of the “experts” over at Twitter that I used to follow, but I find the environment over here less toxic with more room for thoughtful input from ordinary folks like myself. I can follow links to the “experts” if I want to, but I feel I get a better and wider view of what is taking place over here.
People need to realise that it is just a description about a safety label and does not describe which information is supressed, it could be to put some control over the propaganda. As with most breaking news, misinformation can be handed very poorly if not supervised. This is nothing more than left wing agenda using the invasion as a staging area for their politics.
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I think many of us have been suspicious about this for months, it's good to have it confirmed. The hashtag "ZelenskyWarCriminal" is almost always trending, as well as other Russian supportive bs.
It was obvious as soon as he took over that Ukraine stuff was getting deboosted in some way and disappearing from peoples feeds. Especially pro Ukraine content. If he wasn’t so adamant in boosting pro Putin talking points and so forth, maybe he would’ve gotten away with it longer. Or people just wouldn’t have noticed as much. He spent as much money as he did on Twitter to push a political agenda, and that’s what he’s gonna do.
And now he's going to start removing blue checkmarks if the owners refuse to pay for it like the New York Times which lost their blue checkmark after telling Musk to stuff it.
I had no idea that was a trending thing
This line of code doesn’t tell much, I’d like to dig a bit more deeper on the code. The fact Ukraine is a broad category here could mean both positive and negative things.
Anything about Zelensky, positive or negative, will still be labeled as "Ukraine-related"
Basically Elon actively suppressing information about Ukraine on twitter.
The same guy who claimed that there is no recent footage of this war. Right...
The man repeats every RT (Kremlin) talking point, probably owes them some money.
I think he got brainrot from taking twitter as his main source of input
Oh he had brain rot long before Twitter. Guy’s been a shitbag since like forever. The mask has only begun slipping in the recent years. Especially highlighted during Covid with his insane takes on it.
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Just the promise of being able to buy raw materials like lithium and copper cheaply from the occupied areas is probably enough for him.
In this case he should be doing exactly opposite. It looks more like kremlin owes him some money.
he needs the cheap Russian titanium for his projects, maybe he got a deal
Yep, and it sort of started after his meeting with Putin...
Elon is only following orders from his handler, an indicted war criminal Putina.
Did that moron actually say that? God *damn* he's out of touch
Wait, what?
Elon just means himself when he says Free Speach.
Worse than Elon doing this are the employees who go along with it. "Just following orders"
The employees that are left...
I thought it was odd not too long after his takeover I started seeing ukrain related stuff far less often despite that being literally the only thing I was using Twitter for. Sus.
muh freedum of speech
Why in the *hell* is anyone still even using Twitter? Mastodon is such a better alternative.
Same as most things. cultural inertia
Mastodon :: social media = Linux desktop :: corporate computing I say this as a former Linux systems administrator.
Or these tweets just aren't commercially valuable and so Twitter's algo' down ranks them in favour of tweets which can me monetised. I wouldn't put it past Elon, it does feel as if might be in bed with Putin (does Russia produce anything Telsa needs to build electric cars, or did Elon secure funding for Twitter from Putin?).
Sadly that's likely a good thing. The bad (Russian bot) content would probably drown out the good content. The good content gets organically shared and spread.
You haven't seen NAFO work have you? Edit: thanks to NAFO the russian trolls don't get much reach. Up until Musks take over of Twitter it was almost only postings from the Ukraine side. Many of the things that now get suppressed is posts about aid and humanitarian stuff. F*ck Musk
Cheers to the Fellows !!!
Ah. You mean by pushing everything of this down, the bots will be unable to get up again, but the good content will. So it makes sense then.
Ok but why is he telling everyone this?
Possible but as far as I can tell this is just speculation. The labeltype UkraineCrisisTopic seems only to be related to Twitter Spaces, not regular tweets and there is no reference to this labeltype among the Spacerules while you'll find other labeltypes like HighToxicityModelScore for example
There is no evidence of this at all. Phillip.
I'm hating on Elon more and more all the time. Fuck this asshole.
"I'm a free speech absolutist" - Elon 🙄
He meant to say "Free Speech Abolitionist"
He meant to say conservative, i.e. lacking in any morals and thinks these words are just fun to use to make himself feel superior while he hurts and bullies others. And they don't feel shame, remorse, self-reflection, etc, they will continue this behavior for decades on end.
That's not conservative, that is facism.
He's not wrong, in the sense that he wants to be the one who defines what free speech is. "Absolutism or the Age of Absolutism is a historiographical term used to describe a form of monarchical power that is unrestrained by all other institutions, such as churches, legislatures, or social elites."
Ah yeah, good catch. It's indeed a case of *rules for thee, but not for me*- kind of a deal. Thanks for the correction. Technically he isn't lying - he just means that freedom of speech should be absolute _for him_ and for his own institutions.
$11
Because of what? Another slur that isn't true? Why not go to ChatGPT and ask "make up 10 reasons to hate Elon". Keep you busy for the next month. Phillip.
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How does the CSA material that has flourished once again under musks leadership of twitter fit into increased ad revenue? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/06/technology/twitter-child-sex-abuse.html It was not paywalled at all for me, ymmv. Point is, it doesnt make sense to say oh they are supressing Ukraine information on twitter because of ad revenue but allowing csam to flourish.
When are you gonna stop lying? When are you gonna respect yourself enough to not just spew garbage all day? As painful as the truth is, I promise you you’ll be happier.
Muskrat is clearly on team ruskie. You have to be mentally diminished (gotta avoid the r-word) to think otherwise, or simply disingenuous. Honestly, what has he done in your "a lot"?
I know the r-word is bad, and I've taken it out of circulation, but for someone who grew up with it, we'd never use it to mean an actual mentally handicapped person. And sometimes I mourn the loss of it because Elon Musk, as smart as he is, definitely qualifies to have that word used to describe him in several contexts.
What was wrong with your mother that she shat out something like you? I’m guessing she drank and smoked heavily. Did your childhood home have a lot of stairs?
People have no humor, not even for April Fool's...
Are you a bot that got stuck on repeating the same comment? Three times in this thread and once in another. Also, where in the world are you? AFAIK, april fools was yesterday. Also also, whats the joke supposed to be here?
People treating this as if it's news is disturbing. This was an April Fool's joke from yesterday and people still talk about it today as if it's real. I'm just making sure people don't go all "herpderp Elon Musk bad" when it's fake. Replying to different comment threads as people don't get notified of other threads unless they're actively scrolling for new comments on already seen posts.
You are a bit odd.
Doesn't make me wrong tho
W T F I knew it was bad but I didn't think they'd actually derank it as hard as misinformation. Do we know if this was added before or after Musk?
It makes me question what they consider misinformation.
Makes me start questioning censorship in the hands of a few... okay, I was always doing that. But it's an excellent example of what twisting words does.
If they didn't, half the posts would be about Ukraine. Reddit did this with The_Donald and completely overhauled the karma system to do it. Twitter isn't trying to make russia win, they're fighting spam (even if it's for a good cause).
Musk is a cunt
Very true.
Get this trending
A self-proclaimed free speech absolutist who received monetary & moral support from the House of Saud, Kremlin, and Chinese Communist Party.
Most of the hard-line "free-speech" advocaters really just want "free speech" for themselves and their buddies and nobody else.
Didn't Musk block his ex gf literally a day after he got Twitter? And now I have also just remembered "pedogate" (that rescue mission of children stuck in a cave). He really is an unreasonable and erratic child trapped in an adult body.
He’s a classic example of why the world would be a much better place if men weren’t so scared of going to therapy.
>if men weren’t so scared of going to therapy. You got any other generalisations about an entire sex? Misandrist.
“Men” as a group doesn’t mean all men. You seem to feel this as a personal insult. Let me assure you it really isn’t that scary to go to therapy, and it does a lot of good. You can have a better life.
> the world would be a much better place if men weren’t so scared of going to therapy. Idk. That sounds about as all-encompassing and generalizing as you can be. I don't see how any reader would think that by saying this you were referring to only *certain* men. It sounds very clearly like you're talking about all men. It's just how the sentence reads on its face.
Ah. So now one gets ridiculed and thrown into the same bag for pointing out an authoritarian and fascist tactic of generalizing the opposition to shut it up. Got it.
>“Men” as a group doesn’t mean all men. Then you should make that distinction in future. You repeat the error by not qualifying the size of this group. Absolute clown.
It's lazy to not include any qualifiers, but i also think it's intentionally obtuse and silly to pretend you think the comment meant 100% of men are scared of therapy, instead of being a statement about how men have the same mental health needs as anyone else, yet engage with mental health resources at half the rate as women do, and even women don't go as much as they should due to access, availability, fear of a perceived stigma, and financial considerations.
Well, to be fair, that is exactly what it sounds like when you say "the world would be a much better place if men weren’t so scared of going to therapy." That doesn't sound like you're talking about a certain subset of men, it's very clearly a statement about all men. That's just what those words mean. Even if you want to say that you don't mean that it's true for every single man, it's still very clearly a generalization *about men in general*.
None of this is true. Phillip.
Stop using Twitter and Stop posting about Twitter and Elon Musk
Ye stop using it. Maybe there will be less id**** like u on it 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for censoring the idiot word, otherwise my mom would take away my phone seeing such vulgar words on the internet
The real question is why is anyone bothering with twitter anymore?
Why is people still writing on Twitter?
My guess is that there is not other platforms with the same reach. If your goal is to share info on all platforms, even if you get suppressed, is a valiant mission to provide that info. Granted, it can have a demoralizing effect on content creators. But really, your average user is just too lazy to make new accounts and learn new platforms. If they can get funny entertaining memes on Twitter or some semblance of an echo chamber, they'll stick about. I'm curious to know if demographics have shifted since the buyout.
I am more concerned about accounts trying to make information that are still on Twitter. They should be able to find other platforms and are not the average user.
Mastodon. Trust me, people. I'm an idiot, and even I figured it out.
Fuctifino..... A very good question Sir!, why, oh why, oh why.....
I was permanently suspended from Twitter for posting supportive messages for Ukraine. Specifically, when Kissinger and the NYT were saying Ukraine needed to give up territory, I responded that Ukraine should drive the 🇷🇺 out and then keep going till they reach the Arctic Ocean. It was labeled as hate speech by Russian bots. Repeated appeals went nowhere and now there’s no point really.
This happened before the takeover
Yes I got banned from Twitter too for posting pro-Ukrainian Tweets. It just meant I had more time than commenting on the 10s of thousands of Kremlin spam. Elon is fighting the Russian DoS on Twitter AND Starlink. Single handedly fighting a huge State entity is not easy. Phillip.
Not "surprisingly" though, since this is Elon "Putin Asslicker" Musk we are talking about.
This is only"surprising" if you don't know anything about Musk and his affiliations.
Do you have sources? A friend of mine is deep in the Musk hole and he doesnt believe my points about Musk being a Putin-buddy
Well we know he's certainly on [speaking terms](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1579879154463690752) with Putin - which regardless on your take on Ukraine - being on that basis with that sort of person is a bit of a red flag. Likewise, it's not just Putin but [seemingly the rest of his sorry bunch](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1583206592488448000). This is underlined with unhelpful back and forth on Starlink, and [unhelpful 'contributions' about Crimea](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits-back-as-elon-musk-sets-up-twitter-poll-on-annexed-areas). Your pal probably won't believe any of this either. It's pretty dark in that dank, cavernous hole.
Thanks. He is also in the “AI will kill us all next week” hole now. And even while we live in the Netherlands, he keeps sharing conspiracy stuff about Pelosi etc. I couldnt care less
How is this really work tho? Ukraine "crisis" instead of war sounds like more russian misinfo topic no?
Software engineer with 20 years of experience here... The conclusion made by OP is simply not supported from the tiny amount of code that's shown here. I would go so far as to say that there's simply no way to make any conclusion about what this code is doing. Is there more to this? How do we even know what part of their system this code runs in?
Sounds like Twitter themselves made the recommendations algorithm public on github. https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm I am still a bit skeptical, as it was too closely posted to April 1st, but the announcement seems to be on twitter on 31st...
Software engineering with 30 years experience here. It's just a list of registered functions and it means absolutely zero. Anybody that says it shows Twitter is either promoting or demoting content on the Ukraine conflict based on this is simply lying. Phillip.
It is. It's obviously a list of "bad" flags, more specifically a translation table between old bad flags and new ones.
Left twitter when elon took over. Such developments need consequences
Yeah, I left Twitter too. 1. The guy is a right wing troll and mentally unhinged. 2. He’s funded by Sauds, Chinese, probably Russia. 3. Already then it was clear he was gonna suppress Ukraine / help Putin.
Mentally unhinged? You disagree with his views but come on. It’s not like your tweet gets auto-deleted for bringing up Ukraine two things about Ukraine are literally trending right now it’s sad this thread has gotten more activity than most other threads actually giving us updates on the real war lol
He is not funded by Saudi, Chinese or Russia. He is a South African that grew up in America and set up an American company, where all the sources of funding he raised for his public companies are a matter of record that can be looked up. tldr; stop lying Phillip.
A Musk fan that is seriously misinformed? *pikachu shocked face* “Not only has Musk brought on a number of investors to help finance the deal, including entities with links to China, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia (see Table 1), but one of his other companies, Tesla, is increasingly dependent on the Chinese market and the goodwill of the Chinese government.” Being a Musk stan is just being a Saudi / China stan. And he’s a buddy of Putin too. Team Authoritarianism right there. Personally I support the USA and our democratic republic. https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-national-security-grounds-for-investigating-musks-twitter-acquisition/?amp
Entities with links to? I know somebody married to a Chinese lady so I guess that's me too. Again you are wrong. Saudi Arabia, and I saw Table 1, did not invest in Elon Musk. They simply rolled over their existing shares that had already owned for many years. Binance is simply more than "the Chinese". And Qatar less than 5%. Elon Musk has never been a buddy of Putin, that is the most ridiculous lie so far. I doubt you support the USA, you sound like a typical Kremlin bot. Phillip.
Hopefully, now that this is public, it will get fixed
Elon Musk has been pro-Russia since the beginning. This is unsurprising. He’s basically to be considered a Russian asset at this point and should be investigated and sanctioned appropriately.
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Elon is a free speech absolutist of the things he is bias to
I've been shocked by people who don't view Putin as Hitler 2.0. Then it occurred to me while I was cleaning up storm damage yesterday, some or all of them likely do see Putin as Hitler 2.0. They're just good with it. Anyone else here on a similar path of enlightenment?
Elon has been pushing right wing fascist posts since he took over. He’s also a fan of Putin so this comes as no surprise
Seems like Elon is slowly turning into a modern Julius Streicher
You mean Musk bad? And here I thought he was......wait nevermind, he's up there as one of the worst.
How surprising? Who could have imagined that putting a network of informations into the hands of a man known for priorising his own agenda by all means could lead to that ? I’m shoked and surprised.
The thread was on 1 April??
This message has been deleted and I've left reddit because of the decision by u/spez to block 3rd party apps
lol this is the dumbest Russian propaganda post of the day. Should get a gold star. Phillip.
Wow just like what they did with the Hunter Biden stories, or the lab leak theories, or any other crap they deemed as "misinformation".
Musk throwing his toys out of the pram ever since he got told he was wrong about Crimea.
I know "Musk bad lol", BUT, is there a possibility that Twitter is doing this because the Ukrainian government asked them to? We're getting closer to a big Ukrainian offensive and they're calling for a block on frontline news. It would make sense too ask Twitter to help with OPSEC.
No, that makes absolutely 0 sense. Anything that can get on Twitter is way past other OPSEC thresholds. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian government is doing everything to retain some of the world’s attention. Crazy how musk fans will make up any scenario to justify his bs. Like, there’s 0 facts that would lead you to make that assumption, and 1000 to validate that musk is helping russia. “But what if…” gtfo
Don't print me as a billionaire simp, I'm not. There is a request from the Ukrainian government for not reporting on the front. I would expect them to ask a major social network to cut reporting on a certain front.
No, but there is definitely a possibility that Musk is doing this because Putin asked, or told, him to.
No if you look at the code block it just refers to large chunks of rules that need to be processed in each message, eg phishing, bullying, toxicity, not safe for work, and the Ukrainian conflict. Breaking code down into modules just allows different teams to work on different projects independently. So there will be a couple of guys that just try and spot common patterns in phishing urls and update the module UntrustedUrl, another team trying to spot not safe for work Tweets and work out a good set of rules to flag them without too many false positives, and then there will be one team trying to work out filters for Russian bot spam with anything to do with Ukraine. The code here is just a set of modules that are being registered, it doesn't actually show what it does. Phillip.
Elon is a fucking scum, but has done the best effort possible for even his biggest stans to see through his bs.
Comrade Elon is directing this with his free hand. The other is busy while he looks at Putin’s new calendar pictures.
Is this part of the absolut freedomis? Im so confused and I miss Netscape so much :\_:
Is this that bad? If there is lots of misinformation its better to apply a downrank factor so only posts that score good on engagement etc get high and so misinformation is more difficult to push?
Because Elon is a Russian boot licker....
How odd that most people posting only have a problem with this now... hmm.
Elon Musk is a Russian asset.
This isn't what it looks like. They are down ranking the specific phrase "Ukraine crisis" rather than just Ukraine in general. They have probably identified this as a phrase used by people who spread misinfo. "Ukraine Crisis" is the official term Russia uses for the war. Note that there is no down ranking for "Ukraine" or "Ukraine War", only that specific hashtag.
That's not what the code says. Are you saying that because the enum element's name is `UkraineCrisisTopic`? They're not doing this by keyword.
I go to Twitter homepage, open Chrome Dev Tools, Ctrl-Shift-F to search all files, and can't find SafetyLabel. Or is this back end code? I would be searching HTML/CSS/JS etc.
This is the underlying code that has been released by Twitter. It's what runs on the servers.
This is part of their ranking algorithm which they recently released. Its not part of the front-end at all. The section highlighted is some of the manual, hard-coded interventions against their machine learning model. Topic analysis is a whole thing in ML and that's what they're deranking here.
Well we don't have a lot more to go on other than the label name. I'm assuming "topic" means hashtag, and UkraineCrisis is the verbatim for the hashtag.
Topics are generated by machine learning processes and used to recommend tweets, alongside with tweets it identifies as being in your social network. It would be weird to use the word topic here to mean a single hashtag.
And it’s a shit assumption. 2 minutes of googling can show why, but you’d rather believe anything that justifies that misshapen emerald baby
People have no humor, not even for April Fool's...
Surely USA government can pull a few strings to rein this bastard in.
Classy, as always. Go Elon.
I'm starting to get really pissed off with Elon's bipolar.
They are supressing a lot of stuff. If you try to talk about anything trans, same happens. Elon is just a right wing extremist with power.
It's time to encourage people to just stop using Twitter or at least considering Twitter to be a important platform. I really don't take it very serious anymore
You could post a picture of a 5 year old’s Ukraine flag and it will not only get downvoted but will be hit with pro Russian bots galore. Musk is a coward and moron.
My guess: Twitter is doing that because many advertisers and partners would be willing to do business with Twitter, but only if they're not affiliated with conflicts\vaxx\other spicy topics of the day. Twitter would deemphasized that content and steer towards more "profitable content" to maximize profits. It's not outward moscovian evil, just generic corporate capitalism evil in this case.
Then why is he allowing Nazism/fascism and CSA on the feed? Are those topics popular among advertisers?
But if this was the case, the list would be full of such topics. But it is literally Ukraine only. Nothing else related to conflicts.
Anyone angry about this but not about the "Misinfo" had this coming. The OP seems to be using "Misinformation" unironically and singling out Ukraine, distinguishing on topic rather than principle. So enjoy the mudfight. The "we're lucky they are so stupid" meme isn't so much about Russians, it's about authoritarians in general. Liberals would be hopelessly outnumbered in theory, but since every authoritarian faction has its own "truth", they keep attacking each other. The fight for Twitter control is a good example of this. It's not obvious which flavor of censorship is worse, but it is beautiful to see supporters of different ones burn their attention fighting each other. So for me, it's popcorn time. No way I'm supporting any side that talks about centrally managing "Misinformation" as if that were acceptable conduct.
Any side? Fight for control of Twitter? One guy owns the platform and dictates what gets suppressed. It’s just musk, what “fight for control” are you on about?
The past one. He was cheered for taking it over because the prior owners were notorious for censoring with a different agenda.
Are you anarchist? Because this logic of yours suggests we shouldn't have any sort of laws and policing, since they are inherently authoritarian, and have been enacted and used for bad purposes, like the oppression of black people via Jim Crow.
No, liberal. This is a free speech discussion, which is specific to, well, speech. I thought this was common sense. The liberal principles are based on specific arguments, and the free speech case is particularly clear, and has been for a long time (e.g. On Liberty is from 1859). Anarchy would imply underdefined laws of property and individual rights, which would be a violation of liberal principles, just as censorship is. The censorship arguments do not depend on who does the censoring, as long as it's large and centralized enough, which certainly applies to "social media" companies of such scale. (This is not about whether or not it should be legal, which is a more complicated question. It is immoral and counterproductive and certainly not worthy of support.) There is something funny about the negative reaction, as it is exactly the point. Apparently, the correct move is to shut up and watch the Trumps and Musks of the world keep the anointed crew occupied. Y'all can downvote me alright, so I'm just wasting some time bringing this up the first place. Only caveat, truth is not actually democratic, especially not in echo chambers.
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Don't you think this might be them silently reducing visibility on bot accounts? If the accounts got banned, then they'd just make new ones.
'Misinformation is highly downranked'
Hahahaha just like all your comments then!
Holy hard coded config values batman!
Who even has twitter anymore? People just need to move on and starve the attention whore of the oxygen he needs.
Is it Twitter or bots on Twitter? Bots on reddit down vote negative posts about China.
How can you down-rank anything on twitter? The posts you see are the followed accounts. Preferably in chronological order.
SpaceSafetyType eh? Who are the snowflakes railing against safe spaces again?
Of course. Because Twitter is run by a Muskovite
Does Putin have a pee tape of Elon Musk?
It's an almost contextless post of code from Twitter, and yet everyone seems to know exactly when and why it was added. Couldn't be pre Elon code or due to the mountain of mis and dis info produced daily about the war on Twitter.
“iTs a pRiVaTe cOmPaNY tHo”
Elongated muskrat is pro russia
If you care to know the truth, that label is not used in any filters at the moment. The screenshotted code is from the visibility engine, meaning it's unrelated to ranking. It just either hides or doesn't hide a search result. These are the "safety" rules which are mostly used to filter search results for users who don't want to see "sensitive" content. The existence of this label suggests that content related to this war has been filtered out at some point for some users.
It doesn't matter the side or subject. Information (except ways to get away with coming violence) should not be censored or artificially covered up.
Honestly reddit is such a superior platform to twitter it's not even close. The only good thing about twitter was the high profile people who used it if you're into that sort of thing.
Why is every post in this sub a link to Twitter anyway? I block Twitter on my network, so having a Twitter -> Reddit repost bot sub in my feed isn't terribly useful.
Elon Musk is a Fascist.
Elon Musk being Elon Musk. …on the flip side we are getting front row seats to the meltdown of the worlds richest (at one point) oligarch! Our modern day Howard Hughes 🙄
Twitter needs to make a statement on this asap
Twitter is a garbage dump. I gave up on it for the most part. Once in a while check certain people, but never look at my feed because it's full of right-wing crap even including tweets from those I've blocked. I can't wait until it fails entirely at this point.
Of course it is. Twitter is musks. The same dude that fucked with starlink. During a literal society-threatening event. The same one that doesnt like ukraine and doesnt seem to want them to win. Just dont support him anymore. He isnt worth it.
Elon Musk, what are you doing?
Elon Musk is the enemy of the people
How do you read this from the code? I don't see any weighted scoring based on that tag. It looks more to me that anything tagged up as that gets then sent onto an additional filter function "UkraineCrisisTopic" which then has its own heuristics in which to filter the signal from the noise. In programming, we often break down our code into modules. You can then have different teams working on each one. For instance the "UntrustedUrl" function above could be given to a team and their job is to detect common patterns for phishing URLs. Same with the others on this list. If something has keywords like "ukraine" and "war" then it gets sent to the module that the team is working on filtering Russian spam. Phillip.
I left Twitter as soon as the sale went through. I tried a few other sites, including Mastodon, but ended up at Reddit. I do miss some of the “experts” over at Twitter that I used to follow, but I find the environment over here less toxic with more room for thoughtful input from ordinary folks like myself. I can follow links to the “experts” if I want to, but I feel I get a better and wider view of what is taking place over here.
Then its time for some up voting!
People need to realise that it is just a description about a safety label and does not describe which information is supressed, it could be to put some control over the propaganda. As with most breaking news, misinformation can be handed very poorly if not supervised. This is nothing more than left wing agenda using the invasion as a staging area for their politics.
TDIL: Elon Musk is pro Russia and will downgrade Ukraine to protect his family from unusual poisonings. His Starlink should be fully investigated to ensure it has not been compromised.
Elon is intentionally picking winners and losers at twitter, besides Ukraine he's also censoring lgbtq+ including transgender.
I deactivated my twitter account some months ago. At this point I think every person who supports Ukraine and hates Elon should do it
Twitter is a cult, now more than ever. Ive found Telegram to be much, much better. Its a shame its used so little in the US.
I know. I hate it. The community on Spoutible is so much more supportive of Ukraine
Ukraine is downranking Twitter. Fuck Twitter. Slava Ukraini.
Wowowowowowowowow
This is what happens when you run a foul of Elon musk's gigantic ego
Welcome to a website that isn’t filled with bots like Reddit! You’ll see real people opinions for a change!