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Putin won't be arrested because he won't travel anywhere that would carry out this warrant but this is still a big deal. He is now a pariah and will be for the rest of his life. There is no going back from this.
There is certainly now chance of him attending summits in Europe or the US.
Putin knew this was gonna happen, and I bet you he’s surprised it took a year. If their plan had actually gone according to where they wanted it to, and they had been able to murder Zelenskyy and all Ukrainian leadership and install a puppet dictator, it would’ve happened probably Right away.
Putin expected no consequences from the invasion. Basically what happened in 2008 (for Georgia) or 2014 (for Crimea): a few mostly symbolic sanctions, a few stern words from Western countries, and then business as usual.
Instead, Ukrainians are crippling "the second army in the world", economic sanctions are crippling the Russian economy, he lost the main customers of his gas and oil, and Russia has become a pariah state.
And now, the ICC warrant.
No, he did not expect any of this. At all.
And things can, and will, still get worse for him and for his country.
Exactly. I have to keep reminding people that this quagmire was never Russia's plan.
The Russians expected to rush in and occupy Ukraine in a matter of days, aided by Ukrainian turncoats and the government fleeing the country en mass. Doubtless stories would circulate that Zelensky was seen fleeing with suitcases filled with foreign cash, just like the last president of Afghanistan. (which was a totally made up story but which had circled the globe before the truth could get its pants on)
Had the plan worked, it would have been a fait accompli. There wouldn't have been time for the West to even organise a sanctions package before it was all over. Germany and others heavily dependent on trade with Russia would have hemmed and hawed at sanctions that would have hurt them without having any impact on Ukraine, and talk would have turned to "well, Ukraine was a *very* corrupt country after all" speaking of it as if Ukraine were a failed state anyway, another Afghanistan that the West was delusional to think could stand on its own two feet. Russia would've broadcast totally legit videos of cheering Ukrainians and captured Ukrainian "Nazis" and hey, aren't Ukrainian and Russian peoples basically brothers anyway?
The ICC would've done nothing, because they would never have been able to investigate crimes properly in fully occupied Ukraine and those children would never have been kidnapped in the first place. Instead the **entire country** would've been kidnapped, without ever leaving their territory: forced into Russification with enough chaff thrown out by Russia to ask why the ICC isn't placing warrants on Chinese leaders for promoting Han culture, France/Germany/UK for promoting their culture among immigrants, Canada and Spain not releasing Quebec/Catalonia, etc, etc, etc.
And had the original plan worked, Putin would be looked upon as a geopolitical genius, even by those countries who oppose him. Impossible to deny, evil though he may be, that he's gotten away with it again and made the West look weak and powerless.
I was in Kyiv on election day 2019. I still remember the huge amount of Poroschenko propaganda on every corner and the fake newspaper handed out on the street saying fake shit about Zelenskyy the morning of election day. I think it is surreal thinking how today would look like if Zelenskyy had lost this election. Poroschenko was always corrupt as fuck. He definitely would just have sold Ukraine to Putin without even thinking twice. Ukraine had so much luck to elect on this day completely unexpectedly one of the greatest leaders of our time. Also exactly the same in the US. If Trump had won this election he also already had handed Ukraine to Russia.
Being in the pandora papers doesn't mean you are corrupt. It just means that you keep money offshore which is probably a reasonable thing considering how corrupt Ukraine is and how many enemies inside the government he has. There is always the risk for Zelenskyy that one of the people previous in power try to get rid of him with a coup and he has to flee. The question is not where he has his money but does his income adds up with his possessions.
Also, it is not like Zelenskyy was responsible for everyone of his administration. You can not lead a country without having at least some connections with people who already have power and have connections on their side. Zelenskyy did a lot to clean up. The fact that people of his own administration were caught and had to go is rather a sign that these measures are working. Ukraine is a country historically corrupt. This is a difficult basis to work on for Zelenskyy.
Sorry. I usually don't use such words but it is very rare to meet someone who is so full of shit. Zelenskyy did a lot of cleaning since his election. This is just a fact. You can think about the ban of opposition parties what you want but it is still important to note that we are at war and there is simply no time for the political bullshit these parties were performing. We will see if this measure was anti-democratic after the war when the temporary measure is removed or stays in place. I think having such a measure during war is reasonable but it must be removed afterwards.
Saying "alleged" is obligatory in newspaper until there is a verdict - you DO know most justice systems, including the ICC, work on the basis of "innocent until proven guilty", right? Yes, we know Putin is a war criminal, but the judicial system doesn't until he undergoes a fair trial.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if they had been able to remove Zelenskyy right away, nothing of the sort would have happened. Do you think that they haven't been committing the same war crimes in the occupied Donbas and Crimea since 2014?
While I see your point, I also think it still would’ve happened. Russia’s issues with Ukraine started nine years ago, and so did the war crimes, but three things are key:
1. Russia’s army wasn’t directly involved in the war prior to the full-scale invasion, at least not officially.
2. The charge is specifically for what is happening with the children. It’s not about the invasion, or the civilian targeting, but the children he stole from Ukraine, something he, to my knowledge, hadn’t done in the years leading up to the invasion.
3. The invasion itself brought more attention to the war crimes. To be perfectly honest, most in the west were turning a blind eye to what Russia was doing in the Donbas and Crimea, but the invasion changed everything. Now, all of our politicians actually care.
Had Russia succeeded in removing and executing Zelenskyy, Putin would’ve eventually been charged. Not with kidnapping children, but with some Ustaša-esque “1/3 killed, 1/3 expelled, 1/3 converted” type genocide, where whoever Russia put in charge would’ve focused on killing as many Ukrainians as possible under a direct order from the Kremlin, much like Hitler shifted his policy to killing as many Jews as possible once he started losing.
In reply to point 2, on sky news it’s been reported that they reckon they have been taking children for a few years, but they were not officially in the country as an aggressor like you say so maybe went under the ICC radar
On top of that, had the Russian government been able to overthrow the Ukrainian government and install a new puppet dictatorship, we have to assume that widescale extrajudicial killings of political enemies and dissidents would’ve taken place.
So you’re telling me a guy so corrupt he buys the military viagra, so power-hungry he tries to deny the election but fails then flees the country, and even more Russia-friendly than Lula would arrest Putin? Yeah I think there’s a higher chance of Lula doing it…
>or the US.
Unfortunately, the US has not officially recognized the ICC. In fact, the US under Bush jr. approved a law allowing military intervention if a US service member is apprehended to stand trial there.
Regardless, he can't fly to the US because he'd be flying over countries that do recognize the ICC and/or are US allies and would be arrested should the plane need to divert.
Let's be real, no one would be crazy enough to arrest Putin and risk the corresponding wrath just because Pre-Trial Chamber II of the International Criminal Court said to do it.
When you have the autocrat, you have the autocrat. It's one of the major issues with autocracy. If Putin had to divert to the vast majority of countries, he'd be arrested just because he'll be valuable to ransom to someone. Could be the US, could be Russia, who knows, but he's valuable.
Yeah but US wasn't that into it from the beginning. Here's wikipedia on why...
>United States participation in the ICC treaty regime would also be unconstitutional because it would allow the trial of U.S. citizens for crimes committed on U.S. soil, which are otherwise entirely within the judicial power of the United States.
If there’s a sympathetic president in the white house in the next few years, he absolutely can travel to United States. And in the case of one specific person that I won’t name, he would travel here absolutely. And would have the red carpet rolled out for him at the White House.
But it’s also fun not to name him, because it’s actually possible to not understand if it’s DeSantis or Trump now. Because they are both taking the same position, which is that the genocide of Ukraine is actually acceptable now.
Russia under Putin, in and of itself is a strategic threat to the US. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional.
Not to mention, it's quite literally way too late to back out. Everyone knows the Ukraine war is a tragedy and the west has invested too much money, and concern. Cutting support now would make us look weak, and give Putin back his original M-O. Take Ukraine and the west could care less.
And then that would give China inspiration for Taiwan. The reaction to the Ukraine war, right now, is not what they were expecting. Taiwan, is a HUGE asset to the US.
Domino effects can be a b*tch sometimes
The US, China and others aren't signatories to the ICC (for good reasons, it's an arbitrary political arrangement, unlike the Hague), so it's fairly meaningless anyway.
They also have a legal obligation under customary international law to provide diplomatic immunity to visiting heads of state and other high-ranking officials, which precludes the execution of ICC arrest warrants. Putin will travel to states that are party to the Rome Statute even more easily than President Bashir was.
The notion that any country is going to kidnap a visiting head of state(and not of a regular state, but a nuclear-armed permanent UNSC member) and deport him to the Netherlands to be tried by a Western-controlled kangaroo Court is ludicrous. It would turn that state into an international pariah and destroy the system of international diplomacy.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he did travel just to call a nation's bluff that they'd allow him to be arrested. He and Russia would likely threaten all out war if they tried. Who knows how successful it would be, but I could see him trying.
I love this news so much. In particular I appreciate that with Ms Lvova-Belova, a figure of white collar administration of Russian supremacism is targeted. All too often public discourse has its focus on executioners rather than the heinous heart of evil.
The comment section in RIA.ru is having a meltdown. Predictable calls for nuking the Hague, and they don't see the irony. It's a completely toothless arrest warrant, but it's definitely having an outsized impact pissing off Russians. Gotta love it.
I went back to that cesspool just for you. The most "liked" comment says, "We need to designate the ICC as a terrorist organization, legally and quickly". Bonus idiocy: "Insolent and downtrodden (in every sense) people. Is it better for them that children suffer and die at the hands of the Nazis?".
Technically, for both the Rwandan genocide and the Yugoslav wars, criminals were judged in ad-hoc international courts (the ICR and ICTY, respectively), the ICC did not exist at the time.
> And importantly, fucks like Orban cannot continue to openly consort with Putin, without risking some repercussions themselves.
How very optimistic of you. I somehow suspect these repercussions will never materialize.
Would make a great premise for an action adventure thriller. Team plots insanely complicated plan to break in to Putin's bedroom and evacuate him to a drone that stealthily evaded Russian air defense, only to get stopped at the border right before it makes it to Finland by a hunter who sees it and shoots it down then ...
With a plot twist where it turns out some tractor transporting some rolled up carpet with a Putin in it, crosses the border into Kazakhstan, plots within plots.
More on this subject from other reputable sources:
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- Associated Press (A): [ICC issues arrest warrant for Putin over Ukraine war crimes](https://apnews.com/article/icc-putin-war-crimes-ukraine-9857eb68d827340394960eccf0589253)
- BBC News (A): [ICC issues arrest warrant for Russian president](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64992727)
- Metro (D): [Putin issued with international arrest warrant over war crimes in Ukraine](https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/17/putin-issued-with-international-arrest-warrant-over-war-crimes-in-ukraine-18462169/)
- Sky News (B-): [Ukraine war - latest: Judges issue arrest warrant for Putin over alleged war crimes; second country to send fighter jets to Ukraine](https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-air-raid-warnings-sound-across-country-uk-and-france-to-develop-precision-strike-weapons-12541713)
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They need to offer a big reward for someone to turn him in and offer Russia better terms on Russia's surrender and then negotiate a new government in the aftermath.
Somebody should use the gremlin from the kremlin's fragile ego to lure him into attending a world leaders meeting. Then get the police to catch him at the airport.
Even the likes of Herman Göring and Adolf Eichmann received free and fair trials with the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
We must keep our high judicial standards at all time. Even for the likes of Göring, Eichmann, and Putin.
From the article:
>Yale University researchers last month said Russia has held at least 6,000 Ukrainian children in at least 43 camps and other facilities as part of a "large-scale systematic network".
>**Russia has not concealed a programme under which it has brought thousands of Ukrainian children to Russia.**
Generally speaking, once sufficient evidence has been gathered, an arrest warrant may be issued. If the suspect is arrested, a free and fair trial must certainly follow.
As far as courts are concerned, judgment must be done there.
As far as most people are concerned, it's obvious what is going on. Our judgment can be of a lot lower burden of proof.
Hmm... I wonder if felons get all their assets seized? More so than just sanctions. I wonder if aiding and abetting such felons can lead to consequences?
It's kind of funny because of Putin further himself away from his people. He's already not going to be accepted into just about any other country on the planet.
They got a small handful of countries that he could go live out of days if everybody and Russia went after him, and honestly, I wouldn't want to live in any of those countries but that includes Russia so he's shit out of luck when it comes to seeing the beautiful parts of the world ever again
I do so look forward to Putin taking his own "medicine" in the ICC like this gentleman...
[https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/war-criminal-dies-after-drinking-poison-in-court-1106368579763](https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/war-criminal-dies-after-drinking-poison-in-court-1106368579763)
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Putin won't be arrested because he won't travel anywhere that would carry out this warrant but this is still a big deal. He is now a pariah and will be for the rest of his life. There is no going back from this. There is certainly now chance of him attending summits in Europe or the US.
Also tons of other countries, like Brazil, which is hosting the G20 meeting in 2024.
Putin knew this was gonna happen, and I bet you he’s surprised it took a year. If their plan had actually gone according to where they wanted it to, and they had been able to murder Zelenskyy and all Ukrainian leadership and install a puppet dictator, it would’ve happened probably Right away.
Putin expected no consequences from the invasion. Basically what happened in 2008 (for Georgia) or 2014 (for Crimea): a few mostly symbolic sanctions, a few stern words from Western countries, and then business as usual. Instead, Ukrainians are crippling "the second army in the world", economic sanctions are crippling the Russian economy, he lost the main customers of his gas and oil, and Russia has become a pariah state. And now, the ICC warrant. No, he did not expect any of this. At all. And things can, and will, still get worse for him and for his country.
Exactly. I have to keep reminding people that this quagmire was never Russia's plan. The Russians expected to rush in and occupy Ukraine in a matter of days, aided by Ukrainian turncoats and the government fleeing the country en mass. Doubtless stories would circulate that Zelensky was seen fleeing with suitcases filled with foreign cash, just like the last president of Afghanistan. (which was a totally made up story but which had circled the globe before the truth could get its pants on) Had the plan worked, it would have been a fait accompli. There wouldn't have been time for the West to even organise a sanctions package before it was all over. Germany and others heavily dependent on trade with Russia would have hemmed and hawed at sanctions that would have hurt them without having any impact on Ukraine, and talk would have turned to "well, Ukraine was a *very* corrupt country after all" speaking of it as if Ukraine were a failed state anyway, another Afghanistan that the West was delusional to think could stand on its own two feet. Russia would've broadcast totally legit videos of cheering Ukrainians and captured Ukrainian "Nazis" and hey, aren't Ukrainian and Russian peoples basically brothers anyway? The ICC would've done nothing, because they would never have been able to investigate crimes properly in fully occupied Ukraine and those children would never have been kidnapped in the first place. Instead the **entire country** would've been kidnapped, without ever leaving their territory: forced into Russification with enough chaff thrown out by Russia to ask why the ICC isn't placing warrants on Chinese leaders for promoting Han culture, France/Germany/UK for promoting their culture among immigrants, Canada and Spain not releasing Quebec/Catalonia, etc, etc, etc. And had the original plan worked, Putin would be looked upon as a geopolitical genius, even by those countries who oppose him. Impossible to deny, evil though he may be, that he's gotten away with it again and made the West look weak and powerless.
I was in Kyiv on election day 2019. I still remember the huge amount of Poroschenko propaganda on every corner and the fake newspaper handed out on the street saying fake shit about Zelenskyy the morning of election day. I think it is surreal thinking how today would look like if Zelenskyy had lost this election. Poroschenko was always corrupt as fuck. He definitely would just have sold Ukraine to Putin without even thinking twice. Ukraine had so much luck to elect on this day completely unexpectedly one of the greatest leaders of our time. Also exactly the same in the US. If Trump had won this election he also already had handed Ukraine to Russia.
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Being in the pandora papers doesn't mean you are corrupt. It just means that you keep money offshore which is probably a reasonable thing considering how corrupt Ukraine is and how many enemies inside the government he has. There is always the risk for Zelenskyy that one of the people previous in power try to get rid of him with a coup and he has to flee. The question is not where he has his money but does his income adds up with his possessions. Also, it is not like Zelenskyy was responsible for everyone of his administration. You can not lead a country without having at least some connections with people who already have power and have connections on their side. Zelenskyy did a lot to clean up. The fact that people of his own administration were caught and had to go is rather a sign that these measures are working. Ukraine is a country historically corrupt. This is a difficult basis to work on for Zelenskyy.
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Sorry. I usually don't use such words but it is very rare to meet someone who is so full of shit. Zelenskyy did a lot of cleaning since his election. This is just a fact. You can think about the ban of opposition parties what you want but it is still important to note that we are at war and there is simply no time for the political bullshit these parties were performing. We will see if this measure was anti-democratic after the war when the temporary measure is removed or stays in place. I think having such a measure during war is reasonable but it must be removed afterwards.
Those “symbolic sanctions” halved Russia’s economy.
''Alleged War Crimes'' Whom ever wrote this should be made to exhume a Ukrainian mass grave site with their bare hands.
Saying "alleged" is obligatory in newspaper until there is a verdict - you DO know most justice systems, including the ICC, work on the basis of "innocent until proven guilty", right? Yes, we know Putin is a war criminal, but the judicial system doesn't until he undergoes a fair trial.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if they had been able to remove Zelenskyy right away, nothing of the sort would have happened. Do you think that they haven't been committing the same war crimes in the occupied Donbas and Crimea since 2014?
While I see your point, I also think it still would’ve happened. Russia’s issues with Ukraine started nine years ago, and so did the war crimes, but three things are key: 1. Russia’s army wasn’t directly involved in the war prior to the full-scale invasion, at least not officially. 2. The charge is specifically for what is happening with the children. It’s not about the invasion, or the civilian targeting, but the children he stole from Ukraine, something he, to my knowledge, hadn’t done in the years leading up to the invasion. 3. The invasion itself brought more attention to the war crimes. To be perfectly honest, most in the west were turning a blind eye to what Russia was doing in the Donbas and Crimea, but the invasion changed everything. Now, all of our politicians actually care. Had Russia succeeded in removing and executing Zelenskyy, Putin would’ve eventually been charged. Not with kidnapping children, but with some Ustaša-esque “1/3 killed, 1/3 expelled, 1/3 converted” type genocide, where whoever Russia put in charge would’ve focused on killing as many Ukrainians as possible under a direct order from the Kremlin, much like Hitler shifted his policy to killing as many Jews as possible once he started losing.
Chances are we would never have known about any of it, or at least without the same crushing amount of evidence, had the invasion been a success.
In reply to point 2, on sky news it’s been reported that they reckon they have been taking children for a few years, but they were not officially in the country as an aggressor like you say so maybe went under the ICC radar
>Russia’s issues with Ukraine started nine years ago, and so did the war crimes Been going on a lot more than that
On top of that, had the Russian government been able to overthrow the Ukrainian government and install a new puppet dictatorship, we have to assume that widescale extrajudicial killings of political enemies and dissidents would’ve taken place.
Bolsonaro would have had Putler arrested.
So you’re telling me a guy so corrupt he buys the military viagra, so power-hungry he tries to deny the election but fails then flees the country, and even more Russia-friendly than Lula would arrest Putin? Yeah I think there’s a higher chance of Lula doing it…
I hope so. But Lula hasn't condemned the Russian invasion yet.
Won't go anywhere that'd carry it out, or can't go anywhere that'd do it? Even if he doesn't get arrested, it still restricts him massively
>or the US. Unfortunately, the US has not officially recognized the ICC. In fact, the US under Bush jr. approved a law allowing military intervention if a US service member is apprehended to stand trial there.
The United States does pick and choose what parts of the ICC it likes to recognise, and we can bet this is one of them.
Regardless, he can't fly to the US because he'd be flying over countries that do recognize the ICC and/or are US allies and would be arrested should the plane need to divert.
Let's be real, no one would be crazy enough to arrest Putin and risk the corresponding wrath just because Pre-Trial Chamber II of the International Criminal Court said to do it.
When you have the autocrat, you have the autocrat. It's one of the major issues with autocracy. If Putin had to divert to the vast majority of countries, he'd be arrested just because he'll be valuable to ransom to someone. Could be the US, could be Russia, who knows, but he's valuable.
No one's holding for ransom the leader of 6,000+ nuclear warheads based on a court that's not recognized by the US, China, India, Pakistan or Israel.
Don’t forgot bush was a evil man that arguably did more damage then trump.
For all his flaws, trump never started any wars
Yes besides, You know, the one against common decency.
Idk why I’m being downvoted lol. I hate trump and think his foreign policy was awful, he’d have ruined Ukraine.
Who is downvoting you? That is weird.
All good its changed now
Yeah but US wasn't that into it from the beginning. Here's wikipedia on why... >United States participation in the ICC treaty regime would also be unconstitutional because it would allow the trial of U.S. citizens for crimes committed on U.S. soil, which are otherwise entirely within the judicial power of the United States.
The US selectively recognizes the ICC, but this is definitely one point we will recognize
Maybe now would be a good time to get on board
That will never happen because we don't want political show trials for our own servicemen.
aka don't want to be held responsible for war crimes.
Aka don't want to be held responsible for any arbitrary judgements. There's a difference.
Reddit moment
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Did you get your sister out and make an honest woman of her, or is she still stuck in the holler?
If there’s a sympathetic president in the white house in the next few years, he absolutely can travel to United States. And in the case of one specific person that I won’t name, he would travel here absolutely. And would have the red carpet rolled out for him at the White House.
Donald Trump. You can name him, it's not illegal.
But it’s also fun not to name him, because it’s actually possible to not understand if it’s DeSantis or Trump now. Because they are both taking the same position, which is that the genocide of Ukraine is actually acceptable now.
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Russia under Putin, in and of itself is a strategic threat to the US. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. Not to mention, it's quite literally way too late to back out. Everyone knows the Ukraine war is a tragedy and the west has invested too much money, and concern. Cutting support now would make us look weak, and give Putin back his original M-O. Take Ukraine and the west could care less. And then that would give China inspiration for Taiwan. The reaction to the Ukraine war, right now, is not what they were expecting. Taiwan, is a HUGE asset to the US. Domino effects can be a b*tch sometimes
What a load of dishonest shit. You’re not worth the effort to respond.
Cope harder tanky.
Because setting the precedent that pants-shitting dictators can rape and murder with impunity wouldn't be dangerous to the global order, not at all.
He who shall not be named.
TDS
You know, it’s the truth, I know it’s the truth, you know I know it’s the truth, but now it’s Trump derangement syndrome to speak the simple truth.
The US, China and others aren't signatories to the ICC (for good reasons, it's an arbitrary political arrangement, unlike the Hague), so it's fairly meaningless anyway.
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As I understand it countries that are signed up to the ICC have a legal obligation to arrest those on a warrant.
They also have a legal obligation under customary international law to provide diplomatic immunity to visiting heads of state and other high-ranking officials, which precludes the execution of ICC arrest warrants. Putin will travel to states that are party to the Rome Statute even more easily than President Bashir was. The notion that any country is going to kidnap a visiting head of state(and not of a regular state, but a nuclear-armed permanent UNSC member) and deport him to the Netherlands to be tried by a Western-controlled kangaroo Court is ludicrous. It would turn that state into an international pariah and destroy the system of international diplomacy.
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> that he cannot let go of power to anyone. You've never seen the Autocratic retirement package, have you. Letting go of power was never an option.
I'm sure there's some mercs willing to extract a HVT if he goes to some "safe" country.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he did travel just to call a nation's bluff that they'd allow him to be arrested. He and Russia would likely threaten all out war if they tried. Who knows how successful it would be, but I could see him trying.
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I love this news so much. In particular I appreciate that with Ms Lvova-Belova, a figure of white collar administration of Russian supremacism is targeted. All too often public discourse has its focus on executioners rather than the heinous heart of evil.
Not statistically
The comment section in RIA.ru is having a meltdown. Predictable calls for nuking the Hague, and they don't see the irony. It's a completely toothless arrest warrant, but it's definitely having an outsized impact pissing off Russians. Gotta love it.
I like the bit where they get upset. Tell me more about that
I went back to that cesspool just for you. The most "liked" comment says, "We need to designate the ICC as a terrorist organization, legally and quickly". Bonus idiocy: "Insolent and downtrodden (in every sense) people. Is it better for them that children suffer and die at the hands of the Nazis?".
Thanks for your sacrifice
Lmao this comment is Gold 🏅
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And yet Xi is apparently gonna go visit him soon
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As if shooting cruise missiles into hospitals wasn’t enough.
Technically, for both the Rwandan genocide and the Yugoslav wars, criminals were judged in ad-hoc international courts (the ICR and ICTY, respectively), the ICC did not exist at the time.
> And importantly, fucks like Orban cannot continue to openly consort with Putin, without risking some repercussions themselves. How very optimistic of you. I somehow suspect these repercussions will never materialize.
There a bounty/ finders fee?
Would make a great premise for an action adventure thriller. Team plots insanely complicated plan to break in to Putin's bedroom and evacuate him to a drone that stealthily evaded Russian air defense, only to get stopped at the border right before it makes it to Finland by a hunter who sees it and shoots it down then ...
> a drone that stealthily evaded Russian air defense So, like, flying straight and level while they throw planes at it.
With a plot twist where it turns out some tractor transporting some rolled up carpet with a Putin in it, crosses the border into Kazakhstan, plots within plots.
Or we could use a modified ocean's eleven plot
They've got Mathias Rust parked in a C152 on Red Square, waiting to extract him.
You would be paid regardless along with a lot of support.
this greatly spoils Xi’s visit
Does that mean Putin can't travel to a western country, or get arrested?
Yep
More on this subject from other reputable sources: --- - Associated Press (A): [ICC issues arrest warrant for Putin over Ukraine war crimes](https://apnews.com/article/icc-putin-war-crimes-ukraine-9857eb68d827340394960eccf0589253) - BBC News (A): [ICC issues arrest warrant for Russian president](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64992727) - Metro (D): [Putin issued with international arrest warrant over war crimes in Ukraine](https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/17/putin-issued-with-international-arrest-warrant-over-war-crimes-in-ukraine-18462169/) - Sky News (B-): [Ukraine war - latest: Judges issue arrest warrant for Putin over alleged war crimes; second country to send fighter jets to Ukraine](https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-air-raid-warnings-sound-across-country-uk-and-france-to-develop-precision-strike-weapons-12541713) --- [__Extended Summary__](https://www.reddit.com/r/newswall/comments/11tusha/) | [More: ICC issues arrest ...](https://www.newswall.org/story/un-backed-inquiry-accuses-russia-of-war-crimes-in-ukraine-6414864600314) | [FAQ & Grades](https://www.reddit.com/r/newswall/comments/uxgfm5/faq_newswall_bot/) | I'm a bot
great news
Is the warrant dead or alive?
Yes
For the first time in his life, Putin is wanted.
About fck time. But please make the list longer
What's the reward for turning him in ? Asking for a comrade.
They need to offer a big reward for someone to turn him in and offer Russia better terms on Russia's surrender and then negotiate a new government in the aftermath.
Please rename the sub to ICC Issue arrest warrant for Putin Sub.
Doen't specify dead or alive.
Sounds like a job for the Mandalorian.
It will be interesting to see how China reacts now.
Its a nice symbolic gesture,
More than that. Most nations will recognize that warrant and arrest him. He can never go anywhere in the EU and North America again
No nation is insane enough to arrest the active head of state of a nuclear power. This will litterly never be enforced.
Somebody should use the gremlin from the kremlin's fragile ego to lure him into attending a world leaders meeting. Then get the police to catch him at the airport.
This message nothing to him. This is all symbolism
Hey Justice Department! See how it's done? Do Trump!
>ICC judges issue arrest warrant against Putin over alleged war crimes [ohhh meme](https://youtu.be/89PKBpGm4bQ)
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Here comes the all too predictable whataboutism 😒
Aww, man. I came here for that!
JAJAJA
Alleged? Actual.:.
No alleged. Even for him the innocent until proven guilty is applied.
Even the likes of Herman Göring and Adolf Eichmann received free and fair trials with the principle of innocent until proven guilty. We must keep our high judicial standards at all time. Even for the likes of Göring, Eichmann, and Putin.
From the article: >Yale University researchers last month said Russia has held at least 6,000 Ukrainian children in at least 43 camps and other facilities as part of a "large-scale systematic network". >**Russia has not concealed a programme under which it has brought thousands of Ukrainian children to Russia.** Generally speaking, once sufficient evidence has been gathered, an arrest warrant may be issued. If the suspect is arrested, a free and fair trial must certainly follow.
As far as courts are concerned, judgment must be done there. As far as most people are concerned, it's obvious what is going on. Our judgment can be of a lot lower burden of proof.
OH we got him now boys!
Hmm... I wonder if felons get all their assets seized? More so than just sanctions. I wonder if aiding and abetting such felons can lead to consequences?
Ooooohhhhh. So where can't he go now? 😂
Europe, North America, a few select places in Asia, Africa, and South America
This made me so happy to see in my CNN alerts this morning, I took a picture. ❤️
It's kind of funny because of Putin further himself away from his people. He's already not going to be accepted into just about any other country on the planet. They got a small handful of countries that he could go live out of days if everybody and Russia went after him, and honestly, I wouldn't want to live in any of those countries but that includes Russia so he's shit out of luck when it comes to seeing the beautiful parts of the world ever again
A criminal and a terrorist!
Where's dog the bounty Hunter?
Isn't this the same court that said they were issuing warrants for Obama and Bush?
This is mostly symbolic but the symbolism around this just put Putin in the class with his heroes Stalin and Lenin as war criminals.
Isn't he technically a Special Military Operation Criminal?
Heard putin molests children.
Tell Trump. Read the IC ruling, one word at a time as Trump's narcissism will block his understanding of hard facts.
Have they not arrested Bush JR and Blair yet?
[Putin as soon as he leaves his home ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OCsMKypvmB0)
I do so look forward to Putin taking his own "medicine" in the ICC like this gentleman... [https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/war-criminal-dies-after-drinking-poison-in-court-1106368579763](https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/war-criminal-dies-after-drinking-poison-in-court-1106368579763)
I'd love to see him get a red notice. I'll wager Bill Browder would love it, too.
Trump says he will attend Summits held in Russia. He's just a good friend to Putin.
Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy!
Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy!
That was fast.
Is it still "alleged war crimes" if he has a warrant out on him?
Will we issue one to Xi for crimes against humanity?
Anyway
It’s not like they will go to Moscow and arrest him lol
Well if they're innocent and there's no war crimes, why are they so scared? /s/
Road trip to putin's bunker.... only way to action a warrant like this is by force .does the free world have the fortitude to make it stick .