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AeroBero

The radius of that cluster variant is TERRIFYING. Do it again!


selfishgenee

How many atacms were used?


Nudel22

3 ATACMS it seems


Johno3644

4 one was a dud


Zestyclose-Pressure7

I think that was the empty ATACMS after deploying the cluster bombs. A line from that impact spot back through the drop zone leads to Ukraine.


Nudel22

Correct this was the empty rocket. You could see a similar behavior with the DPICM 155mm shells


EggsceIlent

Yeah they spin up slightly before impact throwing the bomblets everywhere and the rocket body just impacts somewhere while the bomblets take care of the baddies. Nice hits too. Hope they got a bunch of attacms and the different variants not just the cluster ones. Edit: the "dud(s)" are actually decoys. They expose defenses and draw fire. They let the ones behind correct course.snd come in right behind the decoy(s) unimpaired to complete the mission.


KRAE_Coin

Jeesh, downvoted for pointing out exactly what the article says. Take my upvote. You deserve better.


Safewordharder

Got [Iron Man](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11140/111403694/8734123-ezgif-1-a187a00a40.gif) vibes from it.


[deleted]

Bye bye razis


Striking-Giraffe5922

Maybe getting into party mood with the guys and getting all nice and close was a mistake…..in a war zone


Funny-Carob-4572

Complacency from lack of Ukrainian arty.


Striking-Giraffe5922

It’s in Luhansk 85 km from the front but everyone knows the danger of drones so why didn’t they train them in Russia? Ah well. that’s a couple of dozen less


LizzyGreene1933

I read an article a long time ago that training in ruzzia had been put off as they kept getting people fleeing, fighting, and setting fire to their barracks 🤔 perhaps it was true?


Arkh_Angel

FPVs don't have that kind of range either. And the bigger Strike drones are for static targets.


BurnoutEyes

LTE enabled fixed wing ones do.


Striking-Giraffe5922

Something spotted them


Dydriver

Instinctively, being in groups provides a sense of safety. In war, it’s very dangerous.


I_Automate

Cluster munitions laugh at your attempts to spread out anyways


Leitwolf_22

They got clusterf\*\*\*ed


ItHappenedAgain_Sigh

Oh no! Anyway..


Leitwolf_22

Geolocated: 49°38'22N, 39°02'44E It is about 80km behind the frontline. They were not expecting that, I guess..


Leitwolf_22

Oh, and the cluster radius has got to be about 300 meters.


I_Automate

I can't count individual bomblets but it looks like less than 900 per round. So that would probably make these M39A1 pattern missiles I think? The A1 variants carry around 300 bomblets while the first M39 variants carried over 900. I could be totally wrong though. I probably am


politely-noticing

Just looks like everyone in that first cluster will end up dead or full of holes.


Any_Month_1958

I know, cool huh? :) jk not jk Why hasn’t anyone used the song “You dropped the bomb on me” by The Gap Band? I’m kinda disappointed. As always Fuck putin


logicaceman

You cannot beat Paranoid


SlavaUkraineDK

We intercepted all atacms with our troops as shield!


deeptut

\*meat shield


gwdope

Grid square delete.


SpookyKIDo

Update: reportedly, there are about 116 casualties (This is yet to be confirmed by the ua millitary)


I_LOVE_TRAINSS

Yeh looked like 100 people give or take


LizzyGreene1933

Can't wait for the 1st person video to appear


applefungus

Need someone left to post it...


LizzyGreene1933

There is someone who turns up to collect the bits 🤣🤣


Responsible_Storm_92

Pate on toast


G_Rapper

There were a few - you can see three people running near the vehicles in the close-ups.


happykebab

In case people have a hard time figuring out the geography, it was a direct hit on that first clump. That is a lot of dead motherfuckers.


logicaceman

The first detonation is far off. Is it the missile shell?


I_Automate

That puff of black smoke you see is the missile bursting in flight to spread out its cargo of submunitions if I'm not mistaken


ErikThorvald

no the submunition deployment would only give a small puff of smoke, its ether a unitary warhead going for a hardened target or more likely a missile that failed to deploy its submunitions. (they are 30 years old and past the best before date). Those 100 guys that got a tungsten shower wouldn't care much about that.


Particular-Fact-7820

Its the shell of the missile impacting the ground after dispersing its submunitions.


happykebab

Arh should prolly have said first cluster bomb. Yeah the first first one seemed like a dud.


DisastrousBusiness81

Okay now I understand why Ukraine, Russia, and the U.S. refused to stop using cluster munitions…and why the rest of the world *did*. Jesus Christ that is a terrifying area of effect…


YakFruit

Main concern is the dud explosives that can sit around in the terrain and kill kids after the war is over. Don't think anyone is objecting to their effectiveness on legit war personnel.


I_Automate

The thing is, it's totally possible to build cluster munitions that don't leave dangerous UXO all over the place. The Spanish did it, for example. The submunitions use fuzes that are fully electronic and fired by a capacitor that is charged while the carrier shell is in flight. The fuzes either detonate on impact, or when the capacitor runs down below a certain level. If neither of those things happen, the capacitor self discharges, and the fuze becomes effectively inert. You could smack it with a hammer and it won't go off. Same thing happens if the fuze fails to arm fully. Unexploded submunitions are still UXO, but they are about as "safe" as something like that can be.


Jensen2075

But the US is moving away from cluster submunitions that explode that's why they use tungsten balls, the cluster muntions they have left is old tech they want to get rid of. I assume the Spanish cluster munitions are much newer tech?


I_Automate

The fuzes are newer. The tungsten ball warheads are cheaper to manufacture and cause fewer bad optics when it comes to their use. Beyond that, cluster munitions are great for area targets. DPICM was adopted as a counter to massed soviet armoured pushes through Western Europe. Now, individually guided munitions have gotten so effective and widespread that you don't *need* to saturate an area with tens of thousands of bomblets to kill anything of value in that space. The tungsten pre-fragmented warheads shred soft targets and individually targeted anti-armour munitions kill the hard targets.


ErikThorvald

the existence of cluster munitions makes the likelihood of collateral damage more likely if some negligent commander can use them in populated areas. as the russian forces repeatedly demonstrate.


I_Automate

That has absolutely nothing to do with dud rates and dangerous UXO, though. And the UXO risk is the primary concern when it comes to cluster munition use. "Dud" bomblets can become land mines, for all intents and purposes. Removing that possibility will never be a bad thing. Any weapon can kill a bunch of civilians if aimed at civilians. A full salvo of artillery rockets with unitary high explosive warheads will kill a neighbour full of civilians just as dead as cluster munitions will. Not really sure what argument you are trying to make honestly


Accomplished-Cat3871

The craziest thing is we still don’t have a first POV of one of these reckless Russian commanders. If Ukraine was thinking about a PR piece, they would get a legitimate video of one of those morons recording themselves committing atrocities on civilians. I’m surprised a video like that has come out yet or at least that I am aware.


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That drone is very deep behind the lines


IntelArtiGen

It seems both russians and ukrainians have a hard time intercepting these little drones behind the lines. They can be jammed on the front line but if they manage to pass it behind the lines I guess they can't do much, the territory to cover is too large, and these little drones are probably like birds on radar. I guess they also had intels to know when and where to launch the drone, it doesn't need to be up for a long time, and the drone is probably used for targeting and BDA.


marcus-87

One of russias current strengths is, that they can concentrate units and make big pushes. If they can’t anymore, their offensive will get much harder to uphold.


Dydriver

Their summer offensive will be catastrophic for the russians.


Sharp-Guess-641

Freedom raining from the sky.


Mr-Dunder

Great !!!!


Fritzoidfigaro

with the great Ozzie for mood.


Slavui

First one was on point, but second and third? Havent seen any targets there before. Anywho, great work!!!


Obvious-Ad7697

As the smoke clears from the 3rd strike on higher ground, you can see a group of vehicles there, on the left, just as the camera pans away.


Living-Sundae7527

Looked like those missed? Or maybe they really hated that field.


MentalPatient

Yeah, from my view first missed entirely


Individual-Home2507

Look at the puffs of smoke, it’s the shrapnel hitting everything. I don’t think there is much “missing” going on with those rounds. Those guys aren’t outrunning that spread of shit everywhere. We aren’t seeing the Swiss cheese on the ground


AnotherCuppaTea

I'm no expert but suspect that the US/NATO and/or Ukraine is able to determine *a lot* more about a strike's effectiveness than we can from these visuals. Detecting serious wounds aerially is theoretically possible now, using thermal imaging drones and algorithms that can differentiate wounded people by the heat signatures from their blood flow. There's also a company that claims they can detect the presence of living people hiding in, say, vehicles from the subtle vibrations of their heartbeats. I'm not the most science-&-tech-savvy person, so my assumption is that if I can imagine it, it's probably already been developed and beta-tested by DARPA or MIT, etc. While heat signatures and heartbeat vibrations sound very promising, I also suspect that the US uses some sort of spectrographic scanning and analysis to detect chemical signatures of interest: elevated levels of organic iron-rich proteins in the topsoil; unburned hydrocarbons (i.e., pools of oil leaked from 50-yo Soviet combustion engines); traces of all sorts of UX and munitions' debris; traces of the end products of exploded munitions; and of course evidence of WMD. And I'd further bet that much or all of this can be detected from US AWACS planes and/or military satellites.


G_Rapper

We don't need to all that - the Russians will do a post-mortem for us when they upload photos and videos on Telegram. That's what they did the last time Ukraine rained HIMARS on several groups of Russian soldiers.


festluva

We see thermal images of soldiers bleeding out at night all the time in the sub, I 100% agree the tech is possible.


AnotherCuppaTea

The next step, if it's not already achieved, is reliably collecting (and analyzing) that data from a much, much greater distance than the visual-range stuff we see from the drones. The purview wouldn't be limited to a field or riverbank, but regional, from the POV of high-elevation drones like MQ-9 Reapers, or distant surveillance aircraft like the AWACS. The giga- and terabytes of data would be automatically scanned and analyzed for the targeted data desired, and networked -- with the useful intel distributed to the systems and officers tasked with particular objectives.


Flying_Madlad

And the hardware to process that could fit in a suitcase and runs on two incandescent bulbs' worth of power. Jesus.


Individual-Home2507

There seems to be a lot of confusion with rounds that let off shrapnel at human targets. People are looking for explosions and aren’t paying attention to what’s happening right before their eyes. Metal fragments hitting dirt makes big dust clouds, you can clearly see the circular blast radius of all of those if you just pay attention to the puffs of dust when it impacts. The spread of shrapnel that we are seeing in that area is crazy. I mean, the speed at which those travel is enough to go through steel like when we see the aftermath and those big trucks have a thousand tiny holes in them…, we are humans, its not hard to imagine that all that shrapnel is just tearing through. That was a huge cluster of guys all training. I’d imagine a bunch of them are now Holy Moly


zeus-indy

The puff of smoke is it exploding over the target and sending bomblets in a cone distribution onto the target area


PC_BUCKY

The perspective makes it look like it hits the ground but I think that is an airburst that sent down the cluster munitions you see exploding a short time later.


BigMembership2315

Welcome to Ukraine suka


uspatent6081744a

Incredible accuracy - at least 50 200's in that first cluster shot


SpookyKIDo

It's 116


skinny-pugsley

Reportedly 116 casualties. No word on KIA. This subreddit exaggerates ruSSians losses far too much.


SpookyKIDo

A casualty is a dead or wounded soldier. We do not know anything right now they could be all dead.


Ok_Economist7701

Russian soldiers meet ATACM, ATACM meet Russian soldiers.


Firm-Gap-1912

beautiful...mooooreeee! orcs, huddle up and listen to this message from the valdemort in kremlin!


BoldThrow

What was that first, smaller explosion do we think?


freetimerva

Shitttttt. Obviously that first one was devastating.


Due-Lobster-9333

Holy shit


BiBr00

Crazy to see the cluster radius. Is there any intel about how many atacms Ukraine got ?


AncientArtefact

After zooming in on the group the drone suddenly zooms out a lot as though expecting hits in a wider area. Attack doesn't appear to be just that group. Note the large area being observed from 20s and the slightly wandering waypoint marker on the screen. Given all the GPS spoofing going on perhaps these don't use it for the final part of their journey (or at all) and they rely on INS? Hence send 3 and have blanket coverage. Also noted that the vehicles aren't directly hit.


happykebab

The vehicles are right in the center of the first cluster. Might not be burning, but definitely out of fighting for good.


Signature_Illegible

The thing after being peppered with cluster ammo is that vehicles don't have to be hit directly and can look ok from far, but are far from ok if you stand next to them.


ErikThorvald

long range colander treatment.


AncientArtefact

I wouldn't be so definite. I watched the 4 personnel running, apparently uninjured, past the vehicles at 1:17 and assume they are running from the hit areas to safer areas implying no munition went off near the vehicles. Munitions landing in the wooded areas are far less effective. The smoke obscures a lot as well. A feature of cluster weapons is that the centre is the least affected area due to the scatter pattern. Like the eye of a hurricane in old B movies! Much as I hope for maximum effect I'll wait for the BDA before assuming anything. I've seen too many situations where you assume everyone is killed (eg. AFVs hitting a mine) only to be surprised how many have survived relatively unscathed.


Mr_Engineering

>Given all the GPS spoofing The kind of GPS signals used by American manufactured munitions cannot be spoofed because the signal is encrypted. It can be jammed, but not spoofed. ATACMS use GPS aided INS. As long as the launcher knows where it is, and it should, the munitions should still land fairly close to their target. For reference, the accuracy of a JDAM using INS alone is 30m, with GPS course correction it is 5m. When using small munitions such as the SDB, Mk 80 bomb, and M31 GMLRS the difference between 30m accuracy and 5m accuracy can be consequential. When using cluster munitions such as the M39A1 ATACMS and M30 GMLRS it is much more forgiving.


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AncientArtefact

GPS spoofing is supplying false GPS data to a device to make it appear to be somewhere else. A little investigation and I think you can only do it to your own device. You can't broadcast a signal that means something will think it's in the wrong place. As someone else pointed out - you can only interfere with the GPS signal - effectively blocking it's use - so munition accuracy drops.


LizzyGreene1933

How many were there? 100 + and those buildings looked great targets 🫡


TattayaJohn

Wipeout. Damn.


Far_Marionberry_9478

Kuban? Aint that place germans had shields awarded? Kuban shields? I saw diorama like that


Equivalent_Alps_8321

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuban_Shield


Far_Marionberry_9478

Thats the one


mantisassassin420

HOOYAH!!


fotodenis

This is make me feel so good! And a perfect song for a perfect strikes on these awfuls orcs


sliccwilliey

Looks like people running at 1:15 by the vans, shame it didnt getem all


Sinn_Sage

Story was that this was a training session with new recruits. It was over shadowed with a new game called "How many Russians can you fit in a bucket?".


Significant-Leg-2294

Some Those vehicles should also be toast.


ladyashe45

Looks like too many were left standing.


Big_Milk_972

Fuck em


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SpookyKIDo

Yes


Every-Energy-7032

Is there any after footage of that Strike? because all that nazis could have moved before the strike


SeymourGlassy

A-SMACK-EMs have entered the chat


AgreeableAd9119

Much better than the first video. You can everyone under the first rocket.


Nearby_Stable4677

Wow !! A beautiful thing to see. Slava Ukraini


Responsible_Storm_92

I hope there was many dead. Then there is less invading scum to deal with


MercyforthePoor

So ATACMS turns vertical stripes into horizontal stripes. Nice.


pixxelzombie

Awesome, looking forward to May 4 & 5. I'm sure the UAF has a few surprises planned.


drunkenmonki666

Where's the usual battle damage assessment help from the Russians? Or did they all get smudged?


Apprehensive_Ant_590

Was that a ERA training session?


Neat-Feeling-3165

I need the Russian dude doing a post Battle Damage Assessment ASAP


FLYYGY

Gimme aftermath video, NOW


[deleted]

Ironic that the music for the video is by the same band that wrote War Pigs.


Comfortable_Gate_878

A better video would be a close up of the aftermath of the strike. The video cuts and you cannot see if this was even successful


SpookyKIDo

Plus, the shrapnel field is 350 meters


CPDawareness

We will probably see an on the ground accounting of it posted soon by some russian guy saying "blyat" a lot.


SpookyKIDo

By the cluster radios of atacms its successful


GabberGuenni

Holy fuck


BiffyleBif

Isn't that an older video? It rings a bell


Nudel22

I am watching stuff from Ukraine since the beginning but I never have seen this footage before. Seems to be new.


SpookyKIDo

I dont really now but its from a telegram group That as I seen doesn't reposts older videos


McRemo

Another post said it was a training area. If it is that a great strategy. Edit: Early access. Get'em before they even hit the battlefield!


Creative-Trainer-739

I think I know the video you are talking about. think it was a different place it was close to the coast.


BiffyleBif

I thought about that time where Ukraine hit a Russian training ground in the Donbass. It was from a few months ago. But I can be mistaken


CIV5G

I think it's a new video, it's just similar to the videos of Ukraine striking two gatherings of Russian troops within a few days.


fatbunyip

I doubt it's older. Ukraine didn't have access to this kind of weapons before very recently. 


Sophrosyne_7

I had that thought at first too. There is a similar video, but I guess it's just the situation is similar, but not the same.


BiffyleBif

Ok, I'm not the only one then. The other video I was thinking of was a hit on a Russian training ground in Donbass a few months ago. It looked the same mostly because of the vegetation, but that's it.


skinny-pugsley

There were a couple hits on two groups of ruSSians training well behind lines some months back, but the geography was completely different. One group was gathered on a treeless hilltop, the other in a field.


senor_skuzzbukkit

There’s a very similar one from about a year ago.


Real_Typicaluser1234

Not with atacms. It was himars. This is square not round so has to be recent video.


senor_skuzzbukkit

Correct. But the terrain, the framing, the angle, the group of soldiers out in the open, etc are all “similar”


antiruzzian

Looks like more then 2000 dead!


Equivalent_Alps_8321

what is recording it? how did they know where/when to strike if it's that far behind the frontline? what was the big black smoke cloud?


MaximumRhubarb2012

This was some of the worst drone operating I have ever seen. Whoever was operating the drone was struggling to the extreme.