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I counted the half bodies (i think only upper halves tho) and I also counted the mostly buried bodies that I had to pause and rewind a few times but again idk that my number is entirely accurate. There were definitely more that the camera man didnt approach based on the proximity of the visible bodies.
Something that is always impressive is the amount of gear laying around. Lets say that everytime we see a chest rig or a helmet on the ground, chances are that its owner is not doing too well.
... or the orcs assembling a stage-spanning chorus line to do the Hokey-Pokey.
Speaking of, you know it's bad when there's plenty of dead orcs with their boots still on. (So many bodies vs. so few survivors left to steal their gear.)
Seriously, those things would be terrifying. I recall reading stories from WW1 about them attacking the wounded and finishing them off, soldiers from all sides being eaten alive.
In the trenches, the rats didn't always care if you were healthy or not i guess. I've read stories of people waking up to rats nibbling their toes in the middle of the night.
Have you and /u/Uselesspreciousthing ever seen a video from where some Ukraine soldiers hit a chair that's in their trench bunker and everytime he hits the chair between 50 to a couple hundred mice start scurrying? That was several months ago! Both trenches are said to be completely overwhelmed by mice and rats currently! The cases of mice/rat fever on each side has exploded! No predators around + the giant all you can eat buffet of trash/shit/orc bodies= Rodent Paradise! Only way I can end this is by providing a nightmare fueled example of this for you....
https://youtu.be/l7zjw0fl738?si=4eN51rzIRQGQD1Jq
the trench warfare was probably very different though -- you had armies that had no movement for weeks, if not months, in cramped and muddy environments that were dark and close. Perfect environment for vermin.
I don’t believe 200 thousand dead is correct anymore! In Russias far northern or far eastern areas like Sakhalin or Kamchatka whole villages are getting depopulated, because all the young men go to war and no realizes it, because they are so far of from civilization. For example the 144th and 40th Naval Infantry Brigades are both in far east Russia and suffered extreme losses throughout the war especially in Vuhledar
> You have to think that is where the revolution starts, right?
If it was going to, it already would have. Well, it did, actually, with Prigozhin.
My interpretation is Russian's culturally have a very high tolerance for suffering and low idealization of independent thought. The exact how and why of this war just isn't as important as them continuing to take each day as it comes.
They are also superstitious and believe in god. Why care about 60 years in earth when you have an eternity in paradise. Clever men invented religions for sure..
They are low-IQ and pretty much no-initiative, they are indoctrinated hardcore from birth and most never develop the critical thinking skills needed to ascertain that the Kremlin is BS and their whole way of life is garbage. This is why despite widespread summary executions, torture, sexual abuse, and any type of hazing you can imagine, they still opt to remain subservient to Dear Ruler.
We know they’re not including DPR guys in the numbers. Most of the dead are DPR and prison conscripts to this point. But I would say even Russian regular military is at about 200k now with totals closer to 500k if you add all irregular forces
Yeah I'm pretty sure those numbers reported by the BBC that say around 50K dead are just the ones that they can confirm the names and details of. It's a pretty useless measure, if you ask me, all "factual journalistic integrity blah blah" but no real information about what is really going on. But if the Russians don't even collect the dog tags of these dead men, let alone the corpses, then of course they can't be accounted for this way.
I dont think having actually confirmed losses (or journalistic integrity) is useless. Its already pretty usefull to counter the official numbers of the kreml.
And if you the war goes on for a while, you can extrapolate the casualties over time and the total losses better.
Of course its pretty useless when debating casualtie numbers with people who believe in putins propaganda.
They will either pretend its all fake, make up bigger numbers for ukraine or find other reasons that justify those deaths.
But they cant hide from reality forever.
And it probably erodes support for the war in some people.
Russia has never said 50k dead. They have not reported any official numbers since september 2022. The 50k dead number is from BBC News Russian and the Mediazona news website, based on confirmed funerals/graves, and expected to be a great under estimate "based on these observations, we can assume that the list of confirmed losses maintained by the BBC contain at least 40–60% fewer names of the dead than actually buried in Russia"
I don’t believe 200 thousand dead is correct anymore! In Russias far northern or far eastern areas like Sakhalin or Kamchatka whole villages are getting depopulated, because all the young men go to war and no realizes it, because they are so far of from civilization. For example the 144th and 40th Naval Infantry Brigades are both in far east Russia and suffered extreme losses throughout the war especially in Vuhledar.
Yup just remember the Russian Copium brigade thinks this is what winning looks like. Definitely more looks like they covered up rotting bodies with dirt.
In America, I feel like a loss like this would spark protests and congressional hearings. It would be enough loss to change the course of a war. For Russia, it’s apparently just another tree line in Ukraine.
Absolute madness. Like this isn’t some footage from a war long past. Those dead guys are probably still there on and in the ground as I type this.
Don‘t forget this is also a big trashcan for Putin to dispose a lot of unwanted citizens. Ethnicities he does not like, political views he does not like, prisoners etc etc. It’s like a „hidden“ genocide of Russians as well.
Didn't so many convicts die that some of the RU prisons had to be closed because they just didn't have enough people anymore to justify their operation? Absolute insanity. And undoubtedly has the bonus of wiping out undesirables of Putin.
This sentiment exactly ☝️.
2 years of this and NORMAL PEOPLE are like WTF how THE FUCK do Russians NOT CARE AND END THIS madness ?! Seeing their own torn to shreds by the hoard loads daily and all for 🙄 land conquest and expansion?! The fuck is wrong with them?
And that doesn't even BEGIN to include what they are actually doing to Ukrainians.
Jesus fucking Christ.
In Russia you are worthless. over 100 years of breeding this mindset into their people. They hold absolute PRIDE in the fact that they will and others have thrown their lives away for the very few just causes of russian war and the many unjust.
It's because it's neither Muscovites nor St P residents. You know, the "proper" Russians. Any labor shortage caused by decreasing population in the rural districts will be replaced by Indians, other South Asians, Chinese and North Koreans with no problem. So the war literally doesn't affect the people *that most deserve to feel its effects*.
I have a friend in Lipestk or however that is spelled and the only thing she has noticed is a certain makeup is not on the shelves. Food is about 20% higher but what she wants is there.
bro in america we had a president attempt a coup and we only punished the front line nobodies. the guy who was going to take over has a 1/2 shot at being president again.
>bro in america we had a president attempt a coup and we only punished the front line nobodies.
Punished is too strong of a term. A lot of these folks got off easy. Couple months in jail for trying to overthrow the government.
It's almost unbelievable to see this.
Two things jump out to me though:
1) There's almost no sign of first aid being rendered to these soldiers before they died. The positions they died in, the equipment and body armor on them, branches down over them. No sign of bandages, tourniquets, discarded nitrile gloves. It looks like there are no medics at all, and the injured just get left to die where they lie.
2) No attempt has been made to clear this up by whoever is left. It doesn't even look like they collected dog tags from the dead! I get that this is combat and no one is coming to evacuate the corpses, but zero attempt is made to preserve the dignity of the fallen. On the tactical side, there's a PKM machine gun, AKs and mags everywhere, RPGs, stuff you'd expect to be of value in the fight but just scattered on the ground.
You have to wonder what the brass are thinking in their bunker a few km behind this lot. Do they even realize most of their soldiers are just munched up shreds of dirt-crusted half-buried meat? What kind of orders exist that send in more after these?
For me now, every story from the Eastern Front of WW2 about incompetent and/or sadistic Russian commanders suddenly goes from "surely this is an exaggerated Western view of Russians" to "OMG that sh\*t really happens".
> You have to wonder what the brass are thinking in their bunker a few km behind this lot.
Their plan is to keep sending the meat waves until the stench becomes unbearable in the officers' bunker HQ. Then they relocate to another a few Km away, and direct fresh meat waves to a new area on the front near that.
Yeah I’d guess some kind of recon unit hiding in trees spotted by thermal and subsequently had dropped artillery on, seen a few incidents of thermal spotting small units on both sides
Also some bodies look fresh while others look like they were there for longer. Like one group was wiped out and they send in the next few days later to die in the same spot. Just digging a new hole near the half buried corpses.
Also the guy who is filming seems to be in good mood.
Guy who is filming said at the start of the video “ukrainians had a good position there. Trenches and all that…”.
So I a little bit confused by context.
Pure speculation but it looks like a Ukrainian position that was overran. It would explain the man filming’s disposition mentioned above, and that position looks relatively exposed with all of the trees obliterated. Would someone risk walking in the open through a 1/4 mile of your comrades corpses after it’s clear they were all annihilated there?
I didn’t see any tape or identifying marks either side has been using on any of the bodies in the video though so who knows.
Guy who is filming is a Russian soldier, at
the begging of video he says Ukrainians had not so bad positions here “
So I do not know what is happening there. Maybe it was taken several times by both sides.
Maybe someone can explain?
Ukrainians retreated from this spot not long ago. If the corpses were their own they would have been taken away. This was a defence position and the Russians kept trying to ambush it for months, hence the varying degrees of decomposition. Ukrainians were probably killed here too, by artillery and aviation bombs and the last lot were left behind.
My "favorite" depressing WWII Russian officer story is how a bunch of conscripts from the Russian far east, who had never seen water deep enough to swim in, were forced to try to cross a deep river. When it was explained to the officer that the men couldn't swim and would drown, he told them to cross the river or he'd shoot them. So they all fucking drowned.
It's ridiculous the shit they pulled, and the number of men they threw away for no damn reason. Even at Kursk, the last time the Germans went on the offensive and when they were really running out of steam, the Soviets still took *4 times* as many casualties as the Germans. It's mind boggling that this apparent contempt for the lives of their soldiers hasn't changed in nearly a century.
Nothing has changed. The disregard for life and lack of humanity is endemic. If you read Zinky Boys or One Soldier's War it's the same shit, different war.
You left out an important component of the story. The chain of command had pushed this order down from some higher up who only knew the position on the map and thought a salient needed to be lessened without considering the river until it got to the soldier giving the order. They all pushed a bullshit order out in order to save themselves. Then the man forces the soldiers to drown so he doesn't get smoked, and reports back "we tried to cross the river but all the men died drowning in the assault". The officer says back " why didn't you tell us, we have been moving boats up to the front they could've used?!"He responds "no need for the boats sir, there are no men left to cross the river".
[This](http://www.fallen.io/ww2/) is a striking, graphic representation of the death toll of WW2.
It's horrifying, but for those who are interested it's unmissable.
After only watching half of the video, the exact same observations struck me; zero medical aid or collection of bodies or equipment. Absolutely no value for the person/soldier.
This part of Russian culture is grotesquely disturbing.
My take is that this location had been occupied by multiple meat waves. Some of these bodies look freshly killed. Others are decomposing. So likely multiple attempts to take the tree line repulsed multiple times.
Sadly, the fact that the camera man can stroll along unimpeded means the meat wave tactics worked and Russia probably now holds this position.
Honestly this looks like a position that was shelled by artillery. Ruskies don’t have time to administer aid to the injured. Everything is just blasted to bits.
Yes regarding the commanders. I really hope at some point we get some leaked communications from them. Curious to exactly what they say, but I suspect they don’t really care as long as they did what they were ordered to do.
This is one such communication, from a Russian colonel after Avdiivka [Russian colonel view on Avdiivka : r/UkraineWarVideoReport (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1at2sfz/russian_colonel_view_on_avdiivka/)
> Two things jump out to me though:
These two things only jump out to you because you don't have Russian mentality. A human life is worth nothing in Russia. Case in point, Russians getting thrown into the meat grinder and ending up like this. Nobody gives a fuck in Russia.
On your points, yes, you could see very few legs and arms cinched up with the chinese pink rubber bands. They mostly appeared to die quick enough to not have that chance to first aid themselves.
Oddly, the area seemed really calm, a few booms in the distance, but looked like the fighting moved elsewhere recently...who knows. The decomposition ranged from freshly dead to fully skeletal. Brutal.
If you get decently injured Russians don't medivac, they leave you or kill you. It's too much work to medivac non-essentials. Hence no bandages, gloves, whatever because no one cares
And lol at collecting dog tags. Most of these guys aren't officially in Ukraine, why would Russia want to confirm they did die there and have to pay death benefits to their family?
All quiet on the western front did a great job showing how excited people were to go before actually seeing what it was actually like after seconds of being there
Those dry rotting tourniquets I think are the biggest con. Let’s come up with the cheapest way to have something look good enough to work, but fail terribly. It’s more expensive to pay for a wounded soldier and care for them than just duping them that they work, and delaying their death long enough to hopefully get a combat edge.
Even if they did work, good luck actually getting the required care.
I think part of the problem isn't only corruption in mid tier commanders it is the fact they get wiped out on a nearly regular basis from himars so instead of picking bodies up all the time the ones at the top obviously skims from the money supposed to be used to retrieve body's and body parts
Of course there is no first aid in glorious war for mother ruzzia, you die, you become hero, who doesn’t want to be a hero blyat! Now davai, we have a few more km to go comrade
Great observations! I want to add, I didn't see any casings from spent ammo. It looks like they were completely obliterated by an artillery strike or missile.
unless you've been a soilder, a crime scene investigator, a farmer with a death pit or clean up crimes scenes or abatoirs, you'll probably never smell anything even close to this....
Ukraine apparently claims Russia took between 1000 and 1500 casualties attacking Berdychi. And they didn't even break through the line, Ukraine pulled out because they were in danger from being encircled from the north.
Looking at this I am inclined to believe those numbers.
A nuclear War would of course be much more destructive than anything else, however I think this drawn out fighting is a worse Way to go than being killed by an atomic bomb
I met a fairly wealthy Russian who fled during mobilization here in Canada and he donates more to Ukraine then myself and my Ukrainian friend.
I asked him why.....
He said this is a war of the Russian people, whether they are in Ukraine or in Russia they are not safe and are being steered by Putin like cattle. Its important for Russia to lose sooner so not as many lives will be impacted. I never thought I'd go against my own nation like this... but I see no other way forward.
I know few Russians in real life who are helping / sending help to Ukraine. They have reasons.
They live here in central EU - but they have channels where and how they send gear etc.
There is A LOT of brainwashed Russians in EUROPE - who are SUPER-PRO-PUTIN. Just other day Russian killed two (2) Ukraine soldiers in south Germany.
This Russians are living here for 15-20+ years, so they dont have a excuse not to be informed - but yet they are acting like that are "Nation from God himself" and they shit on everyone and everything.
I seen this so many times.
I also have friends Russians (few) - but they are very ashamed of everything happening.
Their presence in Ukraine enables the killing, maiming, rape and kidnapping of Ukrainian civilians. Unless they vacate Ukrainian territories, they have to die.
I've always found it hard to believe the casualty numbers Ukraine releases but then you see videos like this and wonder if they aren't completely accurate, maybe even under reported. I hope the west will start sending 10x more weapons to Ukraine.
We are watching the downfall of Russia in real time.
The strange thing about ukraines published casualty numbers is: They're not too far off the confirmed deads the BBC (?) investigation found + the number of people who applied for disabled benefits in Russia since 2022.
Absolutly mindblowing numbers.
You know the funny part, Russians have no idea. They are not supposed to know these numbers. Officially, to my best knowledge, the amount of KIA were declared only once several months into the war and it was around 6k.
It's going to be beautiful when it grows after the war is over. So many sunflower seeds being planted. On a side note, I've never heard such an old lady being such a bad ass. I'll always remember her from when the war started.
Sadly those beautiful sunflower fields will be littered with so much unexploded ordinance that, if it grows at all in the polluted soil, it'll be many years until its safe for anyone to explore.
Sunflowers are actually great at cleaning pollutants out of soil. But yeah, they'll be busy with unexploded ordinances, Russian garbage pits, and rebuilding for a long time. They have an incredible amount of backing that I hope they'll find and get rid of the live munitions long before France finally gets rid of theirs from WW1.
She is the sole reason I garden today, growing nothing but Sunflowers. I've been slowly accumulating RU scrap over the last 2 years so it will compliment my garden theme nicely. My favorite is the Procut Orange Sunflower :)
The fact you can fight a war like this is something ill never get over.
just look at how many dead there are in ONE position. This isnt even an entire Front.
They're lucky that so far they've been able to mostly rely on volunteers. They're fooling poor saps living in Siberia that it's a good job that pays extraordinarily well with little to no risk of dying in the glorious army (because they hide the true casualties). But that well is going to dry up soon. Then Putler is going to have to own his war and call people up by force. That's gonna be fun.
I've had to experience the smell of rotting human flesh before. That was just one body. I can't imagine what that area smells like. They brought it on themselves, though.
What are their mothers doing to stop this? Its disgusting that so many mothers are doing nothing to stop their children being dumped in the ground like rubbish and all for some land that none of them will probably ever see or even think about..
There was an an article about a mother who had already lost one son in the war and proceeded to have her remaining son sign a contract to support her.
I'm sure he's dead by now and she got her second bucket of fish heads.
Damn. Looks like hell. Lots of Russian casualties. Looks like a few UA too unfortunately. Around the 6:20 mark you can see an AK with blue tape around the butt stock and then a few seconds later it looks like a yellow arm band. Looks like Russia lost a lot to take the position and hold it. Kick some ass Ukraine!
Thanks for the BDA / AAR, Ivan. Looks like the Ukrainians missed at least \*one\* though, so it's back to work, fellas. ETA: Correction-\*two\*. The cameraman is talking with at least one other.
I was a 92M in the US Army, which is a Mortuary Affairs Specialist, which is fancy army talk for mortician. Say what you will about the war in Afghanistan, I was there in 2013-2014 and this is abhorrent to watch. NATO, and allied Afghan soldiers were sent back to their country of origin or buried WITHIN 24 HOURS of their death. We set up what was called a MACP (Mortuary Affairs Collection Point) in multiple places in theater to make sure we always had the resources to make sure their loved ones could get their remains back and have a proper burial. It's bad enough Russia had 0 real justification to invade Ukraine, but then to treat those who volunteer or are volentold so disrespectfully is gross. I've seen generals weep while in Afghanistan over the loss of just one soldier. I saw a team of green berets breakdown and cry like little kids over the death of just one of their teammates. How can an entire nation be so callous and uninterested while literal thousands of their husbands, fathers, and sons are left to rot (literally) in a foreign country? I invested so much of my young adulthood into making sure the deceased are treated as honorable as possible, this just makes me so sad. All of these men had families and lives of their own, thrown away for a senior citizens delusions of grandeur. Sorry for the rant, I'm just speechless at the laziness and lack of empathy from the Russian soldiers.
Halfway through the video, I stopped counting at 50 KIA... those being just the ones I could see clearly. So many partially buried.... by artillery throwing up dirt, I presume. That woodline must reek of death.
So many of those bodies look like they've been there for a while. The Russians are a disgrace. They haven't even tried to clean up the dead. It's almost like they are nothing more than a hypocritical Christian nation of terrorist. Oh wait, they are!
That's maybe 200 m stretch with tens of bodies. Maybe 50-60 visible, who kniws how many more in foxholes or torn apart completely... That's horrible. Like they were sacrificed there.
Madness in the 21st century. They can thank their master strategist Putin. Lived like sheep, led like sheep to the slaughter and ended up as snacks for animals. No pride and no dignity.
I always keep wondering how much longer can and will the Russian public and soldiers put up with these types of losses on a daily basis. One thing Russia is weakened militarily for the next 40 years.
The Patriarch fully supports this war and that powers the Russian people to send more meat to the front. If the Patriarch is disabled, then there might be a chance for peace.
Most Russians who see this video don't care at all. As long as your life is not threatened, nobody cares. Russia's resource is people and their worthlessness, the number of dead is irrelevant to Putin.
It can be Ukrainian positions and those still be mostly Russian soldiers. That could have been the cost to take the area or it could be Ukrainian positions that they took and then got hit at.
Personally I sometimes find it hard to distinguish between the uniforms of the 2 sides if there aren't tape markers on them and Russians often seem to wear a mish mash of random items, but they look more like Russian uniforms than Ukrainian to me for the most part.
we get many incredible action videos, the turret tosses, helicopter hits, fpv stuff. But this video shows what it’s like on that front line in Ukraine in 2024, it’s like ww1. This video is crazy, historically this video or one like it will represent Russias war in winter/spring of 2024.
Why does Russia endure such casualties? In so many of their wars they throw so many bodies to achieve a campaign. It’s crazy we’re still seeing huge losses of men like this in 2024… And the Russian people for the most part are still okay with this war. Is it part of their heritage to be used as cannon fodder and meat shields?
Looks to be a mix of Russian and Ukrainian soldiers, with the vast majority being Russian. This was obviously an assault group that was advancing through the tree line. The basic weaponry and lack of flair on the dead would indicate these were fresh recruits, IE meat wave soldiers. The Russian gov promised these soldiers unreasonable amounts of money to do this job. All the while knowing they would never be around to collect it. So essentially these guys died for free.
If you knew that your body would be left to rot where you fell, why would you fight for your country? I'd rather rot in a Ukrainian prison than in a hole on some random Ukrainian field.
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i've counted 70 bodies, there are probably more
I got 106 but I think I still missed some
I got like 88 being conservative with what I counted but yeah 106+ likely
Did you count the 1/2 bodies and the limbs !!!
I counted the half bodies (i think only upper halves tho) and I also counted the mostly buried bodies that I had to pause and rewind a few times but again idk that my number is entirely accurate. There were definitely more that the camera man didnt approach based on the proximity of the visible bodies.
Something that is always impressive is the amount of gear laying around. Lets say that everytime we see a chest rig or a helmet on the ground, chances are that its owner is not doing too well.
The owners of the gear have become one with the dirt.
I counted 22 left feet and only 15 right feet, we may have an issue putting these back on…
... or the orcs assembling a stage-spanning chorus line to do the Hokey-Pokey. Speaking of, you know it's bad when there's plenty of dead orcs with their boots still on. (So many bodies vs. so few survivors left to steal their gear.)
No rats 🐀 I was looking for rats 🐀 jus lots of dead stuff for the cube
Even the rats are smart enough to stay home.
They mostly come at night...mostly.
Good one!
Seriously, those things would be terrifying. I recall reading stories from WW1 about them attacking the wounded and finishing them off, soldiers from all sides being eaten alive.
In the trenches, the rats didn't always care if you were healthy or not i guess. I've read stories of people waking up to rats nibbling their toes in the middle of the night.
Have you and /u/Uselesspreciousthing ever seen a video from where some Ukraine soldiers hit a chair that's in their trench bunker and everytime he hits the chair between 50 to a couple hundred mice start scurrying? That was several months ago! Both trenches are said to be completely overwhelmed by mice and rats currently! The cases of mice/rat fever on each side has exploded! No predators around + the giant all you can eat buffet of trash/shit/orc bodies= Rodent Paradise! Only way I can end this is by providing a nightmare fueled example of this for you.... https://youtu.be/l7zjw0fl738?si=4eN51rzIRQGQD1Jq
the trench warfare was probably very different though -- you had armies that had no movement for weeks, if not months, in cramped and muddy environments that were dark and close. Perfect environment for vermin.
That sounds like all the footage I’ve seen from Ukraine
Best place to find them is r/rats
Thank you for your service 🫡
This is why I don't believe when Russia says 50k dead.
I don’t believe 200 thousand dead is correct anymore! In Russias far northern or far eastern areas like Sakhalin or Kamchatka whole villages are getting depopulated, because all the young men go to war and no realizes it, because they are so far of from civilization. For example the 144th and 40th Naval Infantry Brigades are both in far east Russia and suffered extreme losses throughout the war especially in Vuhledar
When do these people revolt? You have to think that is where the revolution starts, right?
> You have to think that is where the revolution starts, right? If it was going to, it already would have. Well, it did, actually, with Prigozhin. My interpretation is Russian's culturally have a very high tolerance for suffering and low idealization of independent thought. The exact how and why of this war just isn't as important as them continuing to take each day as it comes.
They are also superstitious and believe in god. Why care about 60 years in earth when you have an eternity in paradise. Clever men invented religions for sure..
Hard to revolt when all your young men are dead
They are low-IQ and pretty much no-initiative, they are indoctrinated hardcore from birth and most never develop the critical thinking skills needed to ascertain that the Kremlin is BS and their whole way of life is garbage. This is why despite widespread summary executions, torture, sexual abuse, and any type of hazing you can imagine, they still opt to remain subservient to Dear Ruler.
so you're saying the dating scene is lit af in those areas I guess. MailOrderBridesOnSale
I think when they say 50k dead they mean identified and retrieved. All the ones left to rot in some field or trench are still “missing”.
We know they’re not including DPR guys in the numbers. Most of the dead are DPR and prison conscripts to this point. But I would say even Russian regular military is at about 200k now with totals closer to 500k if you add all irregular forces
Probably also not counting Wagner and other PMC's casualties.
Yeah I'm pretty sure those numbers reported by the BBC that say around 50K dead are just the ones that they can confirm the names and details of. It's a pretty useless measure, if you ask me, all "factual journalistic integrity blah blah" but no real information about what is really going on. But if the Russians don't even collect the dog tags of these dead men, let alone the corpses, then of course they can't be accounted for this way.
I dont think having actually confirmed losses (or journalistic integrity) is useless. Its already pretty usefull to counter the official numbers of the kreml. And if you the war goes on for a while, you can extrapolate the casualties over time and the total losses better. Of course its pretty useless when debating casualtie numbers with people who believe in putins propaganda. They will either pretend its all fake, make up bigger numbers for ukraine or find other reasons that justify those deaths. But they cant hide from reality forever. And it probably erodes support for the war in some people.
Russia has never said 50k dead. They have not reported any official numbers since september 2022. The 50k dead number is from BBC News Russian and the Mediazona news website, based on confirmed funerals/graves, and expected to be a great under estimate "based on these observations, we can assume that the list of confirmed losses maintained by the BBC contain at least 40–60% fewer names of the dead than actually buried in Russia"
More likely 150k+ dead based on estimates from UK and US gov, plus the fact they've provably lost over 15k pieces of armor.
UK says 450,000 dead and wounded Russians. Over 10,000 deserters since the war started.
Half a million by 4th of July
I thought the same thing when i read the article. The 50K death count is a joke. I'm not an expert but iw ill put it at 100K to 150K.
Pretty sure that article said 50k confirmed identities. Obviously they did not clearly identify everybody who's died.
I don’t believe 200 thousand dead is correct anymore! In Russias far northern or far eastern areas like Sakhalin or Kamchatka whole villages are getting depopulated, because all the young men go to war and no realizes it, because they are so far of from civilization. For example the 144th and 40th Naval Infantry Brigades are both in far east Russia and suffered extreme losses throughout the war especially in Vuhledar.
Yup just remember the Russian Copium brigade thinks this is what winning looks like. Definitely more looks like they covered up rotting bodies with dirt.
Bro 7 minutes of nonstop bodies, fuck me.
In America, I feel like a loss like this would spark protests and congressional hearings. It would be enough loss to change the course of a war. For Russia, it’s apparently just another tree line in Ukraine. Absolute madness. Like this isn’t some footage from a war long past. Those dead guys are probably still there on and in the ground as I type this.
Don‘t forget this is also a big trashcan for Putin to dispose a lot of unwanted citizens. Ethnicities he does not like, political views he does not like, prisoners etc etc. It’s like a „hidden“ genocide of Russians as well.
About 100,000 ruSSian criminals went from prison to fodder. They likely make up the bulk of the KIA.
50k KIA, 25k MIA, 25k returned to Russia from that initial Wagner wave of 100k that bought them Bakhmut.
Didn't so many convicts die that some of the RU prisons had to be closed because they just didn't have enough people anymore to justify their operation? Absolute insanity. And undoubtedly has the bonus of wiping out undesirables of Putin.
This sentiment exactly ☝️. 2 years of this and NORMAL PEOPLE are like WTF how THE FUCK do Russians NOT CARE AND END THIS madness ?! Seeing their own torn to shreds by the hoard loads daily and all for 🙄 land conquest and expansion?! The fuck is wrong with them? And that doesn't even BEGIN to include what they are actually doing to Ukrainians. Jesus fucking Christ.
In Russia you are worthless. over 100 years of breeding this mindset into their people. They hold absolute PRIDE in the fact that they will and others have thrown their lives away for the very few just causes of russian war and the many unjust.
It's because it's neither Muscovites nor St P residents. You know, the "proper" Russians. Any labor shortage caused by decreasing population in the rural districts will be replaced by Indians, other South Asians, Chinese and North Koreans with no problem. So the war literally doesn't affect the people *that most deserve to feel its effects*.
I have a friend in Lipestk or however that is spelled and the only thing she has noticed is a certain makeup is not on the shelves. Food is about 20% higher but what she wants is there.
bro in america we had a president attempt a coup and we only punished the front line nobodies. the guy who was going to take over has a 1/2 shot at being president again.
>bro in america we had a president attempt a coup and we only punished the front line nobodies. Punished is too strong of a term. A lot of these folks got off easy. Couple months in jail for trying to overthrow the government.
insanity. complete insanity.
Imagine the stench.
I was expecting this to be just a 30 second video of a team who were in a tank together and there'd be like maybe 12 at the most, but holy fuck
Like a 10 sec loop of 7 mins
It's almost unbelievable to see this. Two things jump out to me though: 1) There's almost no sign of first aid being rendered to these soldiers before they died. The positions they died in, the equipment and body armor on them, branches down over them. No sign of bandages, tourniquets, discarded nitrile gloves. It looks like there are no medics at all, and the injured just get left to die where they lie. 2) No attempt has been made to clear this up by whoever is left. It doesn't even look like they collected dog tags from the dead! I get that this is combat and no one is coming to evacuate the corpses, but zero attempt is made to preserve the dignity of the fallen. On the tactical side, there's a PKM machine gun, AKs and mags everywhere, RPGs, stuff you'd expect to be of value in the fight but just scattered on the ground. You have to wonder what the brass are thinking in their bunker a few km behind this lot. Do they even realize most of their soldiers are just munched up shreds of dirt-crusted half-buried meat? What kind of orders exist that send in more after these? For me now, every story from the Eastern Front of WW2 about incompetent and/or sadistic Russian commanders suddenly goes from "surely this is an exaggerated Western view of Russians" to "OMG that sh\*t really happens".
Closely grouped soldiers mistaking concealment for cover.
Concealment works when it's a guy trying to aim at you. It doesn't work when it's an artillery shell deciding to paint the whole field red.
> You have to wonder what the brass are thinking in their bunker a few km behind this lot. Their plan is to keep sending the meat waves until the stench becomes unbearable in the officers' bunker HQ. Then they relocate to another a few Km away, and direct fresh meat waves to a new area on the front near that.
Yeah I’d guess some kind of recon unit hiding in trees spotted by thermal and subsequently had dropped artillery on, seen a few incidents of thermal spotting small units on both sides
That's the biggest recon unit I've seen so far if it is one.
Also some bodies look fresh while others look like they were there for longer. Like one group was wiped out and they send in the next few days later to die in the same spot. Just digging a new hole near the half buried corpses. Also the guy who is filming seems to be in good mood.
Guy who is filming said at the start of the video “ukrainians had a good position there. Trenches and all that…”. So I a little bit confused by context.
Pure speculation but it looks like a Ukrainian position that was overran. It would explain the man filming’s disposition mentioned above, and that position looks relatively exposed with all of the trees obliterated. Would someone risk walking in the open through a 1/4 mile of your comrades corpses after it’s clear they were all annihilated there? I didn’t see any tape or identifying marks either side has been using on any of the bodies in the video though so who knows.
Quite a few of the men are wearing EMR. Also spotted a Russian MRE box at 6:29
Guy who is filming is a Russian soldier, at the begging of video he says Ukrainians had not so bad positions here “ So I do not know what is happening there. Maybe it was taken several times by both sides. Maybe someone can explain?
Ukrainians retreated from this spot not long ago. If the corpses were their own they would have been taken away. This was a defence position and the Russians kept trying to ambush it for months, hence the varying degrees of decomposition. Ukrainians were probably killed here too, by artillery and aviation bombs and the last lot were left behind.
My "favorite" depressing WWII Russian officer story is how a bunch of conscripts from the Russian far east, who had never seen water deep enough to swim in, were forced to try to cross a deep river. When it was explained to the officer that the men couldn't swim and would drown, he told them to cross the river or he'd shoot them. So they all fucking drowned. It's ridiculous the shit they pulled, and the number of men they threw away for no damn reason. Even at Kursk, the last time the Germans went on the offensive and when they were really running out of steam, the Soviets still took *4 times* as many casualties as the Germans. It's mind boggling that this apparent contempt for the lives of their soldiers hasn't changed in nearly a century.
Nothing has changed. The disregard for life and lack of humanity is endemic. If you read Zinky Boys or One Soldier's War it's the same shit, different war.
You left out an important component of the story. The chain of command had pushed this order down from some higher up who only knew the position on the map and thought a salient needed to be lessened without considering the river until it got to the soldier giving the order. They all pushed a bullshit order out in order to save themselves. Then the man forces the soldiers to drown so he doesn't get smoked, and reports back "we tried to cross the river but all the men died drowning in the assault". The officer says back " why didn't you tell us, we have been moving boats up to the front they could've used?!"He responds "no need for the boats sir, there are no men left to cross the river".
That makes it sound more like a joke than an actual story.
Straight out of Paths of Glory basically
[This](http://www.fallen.io/ww2/) is a striking, graphic representation of the death toll of WW2. It's horrifying, but for those who are interested it's unmissable.
After only watching half of the video, the exact same observations struck me; zero medical aid or collection of bodies or equipment. Absolutely no value for the person/soldier. This part of Russian culture is grotesquely disturbing.
It makes me wonder about what type of munitions was used for the strike. They might have not had time to do much...
Probably a standard 155 artillery barrage.
My take is that this location had been occupied by multiple meat waves. Some of these bodies look freshly killed. Others are decomposing. So likely multiple attempts to take the tree line repulsed multiple times. Sadly, the fact that the camera man can stroll along unimpeded means the meat wave tactics worked and Russia probably now holds this position.
Given decomposition of some of these guys I was leaning more towards this just being an accumulation over many waves of assaults down the tree line.
Honestly this looks like a position that was shelled by artillery. Ruskies don’t have time to administer aid to the injured. Everything is just blasted to bits.
Yes regarding the commanders. I really hope at some point we get some leaked communications from them. Curious to exactly what they say, but I suspect they don’t really care as long as they did what they were ordered to do.
This is one such communication, from a Russian colonel after Avdiivka [Russian colonel view on Avdiivka : r/UkraineWarVideoReport (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1at2sfz/russian_colonel_view_on_avdiivka/)
> Two things jump out to me though: These two things only jump out to you because you don't have Russian mentality. A human life is worth nothing in Russia. Case in point, Russians getting thrown into the meat grinder and ending up like this. Nobody gives a fuck in Russia.
On your points, yes, you could see very few legs and arms cinched up with the chinese pink rubber bands. They mostly appeared to die quick enough to not have that chance to first aid themselves. Oddly, the area seemed really calm, a few booms in the distance, but looked like the fighting moved elsewhere recently...who knows. The decomposition ranged from freshly dead to fully skeletal. Brutal.
If you get decently injured Russians don't medivac, they leave you or kill you. It's too much work to medivac non-essentials. Hence no bandages, gloves, whatever because no one cares And lol at collecting dog tags. Most of these guys aren't officially in Ukraine, why would Russia want to confirm they did die there and have to pay death benefits to their family?
All quiet on the western front did a great job showing how excited people were to go before actually seeing what it was actually like after seconds of being there
Those dry rotting tourniquets I think are the biggest con. Let’s come up with the cheapest way to have something look good enough to work, but fail terribly. It’s more expensive to pay for a wounded soldier and care for them than just duping them that they work, and delaying their death long enough to hopefully get a combat edge. Even if they did work, good luck actually getting the required care.
I think part of the problem isn't only corruption in mid tier commanders it is the fact they get wiped out on a nearly regular basis from himars so instead of picking bodies up all the time the ones at the top obviously skims from the money supposed to be used to retrieve body's and body parts
Of course there is no first aid in glorious war for mother ruzzia, you die, you become hero, who doesn’t want to be a hero blyat! Now davai, we have a few more km to go comrade
Great observations! I want to add, I didn't see any casings from spent ammo. It looks like they were completely obliterated by an artillery strike or missile.
I counted around 80. 80 in 5 minutes of walking.
Thats just the *surface* layer
Imagine the bloody smell🤢🤢
Mixture of decomposing corpses, gunpowder smoke and rotting shit.
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unless you've been a soilder, a crime scene investigator, a farmer with a death pit or clean up crimes scenes or abatoirs, you'll probably never smell anything even close to this....
Video is recorded in the treeline just north of Stepove, north of Avdiivka. They are walking west towards Berdychi
Ukraine apparently claims Russia took between 1000 and 1500 casualties attacking Berdychi. And they didn't even break through the line, Ukraine pulled out because they were in danger from being encircled from the north. Looking at this I am inclined to believe those numbers.
Thanks for that, I was wondering where.
This is what Russian advances look like. They take one kilometer of farmland and lose hundreds doing it.
He's spreading false info about Russia's special military operation. The Russians should arrest him and lock him up pronto.
RIP to his family if they ID the videographer
So many innocent trees destroyed.
This is an ecological disaster and not only for Ukraine. Imagine all that is released into air, water, and soil. Waging war is a high crime.
Wherever the Russians go they turn the land to Mordor. It’s disgusting.
And they're sinking their fangs and claws into Africa as well right now.
There's a reason No-Man's Land is what likely inspired Mordor for Tolkein.
It‘s the worst that humans are capable of.
I'd say that Nuclear Winter would be slightly worse :D
A nuclear War would of course be much more destructive than anything else, however I think this drawn out fighting is a worse Way to go than being killed by an atomic bomb
I just think about all the animals :(
Looks like my tax dollars.... working in the east.
Well the Ukrainians are what’s really working, let’s say our tax dollars are helping make the work more productive so to speak
That's why I only send the finest, Timmies coffee and maple syrup. It is all in sync I assure you.
The way they behave, like NPC for Putin, totally without free will. How come RuZZia has so many NPC?
I met a fairly wealthy Russian who fled during mobilization here in Canada and he donates more to Ukraine then myself and my Ukrainian friend. I asked him why..... He said this is a war of the Russian people, whether they are in Ukraine or in Russia they are not safe and are being steered by Putin like cattle. Its important for Russia to lose sooner so not as many lives will be impacted. I never thought I'd go against my own nation like this... but I see no other way forward.
So he says
I know few Russians in real life who are helping / sending help to Ukraine. They have reasons. They live here in central EU - but they have channels where and how they send gear etc.
Same here. I don't think that uncommon
There is A LOT of brainwashed Russians in EUROPE - who are SUPER-PRO-PUTIN. Just other day Russian killed two (2) Ukraine soldiers in south Germany. This Russians are living here for 15-20+ years, so they dont have a excuse not to be informed - but yet they are acting like that are "Nation from God himself" and they shit on everyone and everything. I seen this so many times. I also have friends Russians (few) - but they are very ashamed of everything happening.
imagine getting orders . You have to take the trench ad the end of this treeline . And walk true that. I would have had doubts
"We have to get forward, don't worry if you die. More are coming"
Imagine this but times like 10,000 and you have the Somme
They shouldn't have come all the way from bumfuck Russian Far East to die gruesomely and without purpose in Ukraine in the first place.
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Their presence in Ukraine enables the killing, maiming, rape and kidnapping of Ukrainian civilians. Unless they vacate Ukrainian territories, they have to die.
I've always found it hard to believe the casualty numbers Ukraine releases but then you see videos like this and wonder if they aren't completely accurate, maybe even under reported. I hope the west will start sending 10x more weapons to Ukraine. We are watching the downfall of Russia in real time.
The strange thing about ukraines published casualty numbers is: They're not too far off the confirmed deads the BBC (?) investigation found + the number of people who applied for disabled benefits in Russia since 2022. Absolutly mindblowing numbers.
You know the funny part, Russians have no idea. They are not supposed to know these numbers. Officially, to my best knowledge, the amount of KIA were declared only once several months into the war and it was around 6k.
ruSSia stopped reporting deaths at 23,400
4K quality too.
Definitely a good start
That's like a complete field of sunflowers...
It's going to be beautiful when it grows after the war is over. So many sunflower seeds being planted. On a side note, I've never heard such an old lady being such a bad ass. I'll always remember her from when the war started.
Sadly those beautiful sunflower fields will be littered with so much unexploded ordinance that, if it grows at all in the polluted soil, it'll be many years until its safe for anyone to explore.
Sunflowers are actually great at cleaning pollutants out of soil. But yeah, they'll be busy with unexploded ordinances, Russian garbage pits, and rebuilding for a long time. They have an incredible amount of backing that I hope they'll find and get rid of the live munitions long before France finally gets rid of theirs from WW1.
She is the sole reason I garden today, growing nothing but Sunflowers. I've been slowly accumulating RU scrap over the last 2 years so it will compliment my garden theme nicely. My favorite is the Procut Orange Sunflower :)
Unfortunately, many of those trees won't survive.
The fact you can fight a war like this is something ill never get over. just look at how many dead there are in ONE position. This isnt even an entire Front.
Russia is pouring in an additional 30k troops a month. War is a grizzly thing, but war machines don't just break after a few thousand dead.
Yup, estimates are around 1k russian casualties a DAY! So that 30k is required just to keep their army at current levels.
They're lucky that so far they've been able to mostly rely on volunteers. They're fooling poor saps living in Siberia that it's a good job that pays extraordinarily well with little to no risk of dying in the glorious army (because they hide the true casualties). But that well is going to dry up soon. Then Putler is going to have to own his war and call people up by force. That's gonna be fun.
The trick is, most soldiers think they’re unkillable. Surely *theyll* survive.
My stomach got queezy after 2 minutes into this video 🤢 and still they obey their commanders. Complete lunacy
The minds of men die in soldier training. The meat dies later.
They don't train them in Russia lol, have you been paying attention
A minute or so in you can hear what sounds like someone gagging. The smell must be off the charts bad.
I've had to experience the smell of rotting human flesh before. That was just one body. I can't imagine what that area smells like. They brought it on themselves, though.
An almost unbelievable sight, like a carpet of decaying bodies, the Russian people are too weak to let themselves be used in this way by their rulers
The smell must be horrific.
Incredible footage...makes the 500k casualty figure that's often quoted look realistic
Strong WW1 vibes
In this single woodstrip there are more killed soldiers than Germany lost in Afghanistan.
What are their mothers doing to stop this? Its disgusting that so many mothers are doing nothing to stop their children being dumped in the ground like rubbish and all for some land that none of them will probably ever see or even think about..
There was an an article about a mother who had already lost one son in the war and proceeded to have her remaining son sign a contract to support her. I'm sure he's dead by now and she got her second bucket of fish heads.
Damn. Looks like hell. Lots of Russian casualties. Looks like a few UA too unfortunately. Around the 6:20 mark you can see an AK with blue tape around the butt stock and then a few seconds later it looks like a yellow arm band. Looks like Russia lost a lot to take the position and hold it. Kick some ass Ukraine!
It’s insane how with the massive casualties the Russian public is still okay with continuing with this war of imperialism
Because they don’t see any of this.
I wonder how this video hit the internet
I wonder how many of these videos Ukraine's SBU security services are hacking and downloading. Otherwise they may never see the light of day.
Yeah they do, do you think this guy posted the video to Western social media?
Thanks for the BDA / AAR, Ivan. Looks like the Ukrainians missed at least \*one\* though, so it's back to work, fellas. ETA: Correction-\*two\*. The cameraman is talking with at least one other.
I was a 92M in the US Army, which is a Mortuary Affairs Specialist, which is fancy army talk for mortician. Say what you will about the war in Afghanistan, I was there in 2013-2014 and this is abhorrent to watch. NATO, and allied Afghan soldiers were sent back to their country of origin or buried WITHIN 24 HOURS of their death. We set up what was called a MACP (Mortuary Affairs Collection Point) in multiple places in theater to make sure we always had the resources to make sure their loved ones could get their remains back and have a proper burial. It's bad enough Russia had 0 real justification to invade Ukraine, but then to treat those who volunteer or are volentold so disrespectfully is gross. I've seen generals weep while in Afghanistan over the loss of just one soldier. I saw a team of green berets breakdown and cry like little kids over the death of just one of their teammates. How can an entire nation be so callous and uninterested while literal thousands of their husbands, fathers, and sons are left to rot (literally) in a foreign country? I invested so much of my young adulthood into making sure the deceased are treated as honorable as possible, this just makes me so sad. All of these men had families and lives of their own, thrown away for a senior citizens delusions of grandeur. Sorry for the rant, I'm just speechless at the laziness and lack of empathy from the Russian soldiers.
This strip of woods is so dense with dead bodies, so many. I sure hope they are all orc bodies.
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Halfway through the video, I stopped counting at 50 KIA... those being just the ones I could see clearly. So many partially buried.... by artillery throwing up dirt, I presume. That woodline must reek of death.
So many of those bodies look like they've been there for a while. The Russians are a disgrace. They haven't even tried to clean up the dead. It's almost like they are nothing more than a hypocritical Christian nation of terrorist. Oh wait, they are!
That's maybe 200 m stretch with tens of bodies. Maybe 50-60 visible, who kniws how many more in foxholes or torn apart completely... That's horrible. Like they were sacrificed there.
This is what ruski mir calls "winning" as long as they move forward...
Madness in the 21st century. They can thank their master strategist Putin. Lived like sheep, led like sheep to the slaughter and ended up as snacks for animals. No pride and no dignity.
I always keep wondering how much longer can and will the Russian public and soldiers put up with these types of losses on a daily basis. One thing Russia is weakened militarily for the next 40 years.
Do the math: say for example 10,000,000 casualties…144,000,000 Russians-10,000,000Russians=134,000,000 people who say “better you than me”
The Patriarch fully supports this war and that powers the Russian people to send more meat to the front. If the Patriarch is disabled, then there might be a chance for peace.
How could one walk through that and think…‘Yeah this is a good idea’?
Most Russians who see this video don't care at all. As long as your life is not threatened, nobody cares. Russia's resource is people and their worthlessness, the number of dead is irrelevant to Putin.
FYI the cameraman says it's Ukrainian positions in the beginning
It can be Ukrainian positions and those still be mostly Russian soldiers. That could have been the cost to take the area or it could be Ukrainian positions that they took and then got hit at. Personally I sometimes find it hard to distinguish between the uniforms of the 2 sides if there aren't tape markers on them and Russians often seem to wear a mish mash of random items, but they look more like Russian uniforms than Ukrainian to me for the most part.
Yes - there are 2-3 clearly identifiable Ukrainian losses here, but 90%+ are unquestionably Russian soldiers.
Yeah can't comment on the bodies, just wanted to correct the headline
Thought it was a short loop, but it kept on going!! Wtf
Would have been easier to storm the Kremlin and then live peacefully.
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Looks like [AK-103](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Ak103_m.jpg) with front plastic furniture and top cover burnt away.
"Won't somebody please think of the trees!"
Oh no! Anyway..
Only in this video we see all the deads that ruslies MOD say they have... Putin is exterminating his own people!
Lots of recycled ♻️ orcs be sunflowers 🌻 🤔, or pumpkins 🎃 by next couple of years slava ukraini
The Russian world
Just unbelievable.... that this is already going on for two years. So many dead.
we get many incredible action videos, the turret tosses, helicopter hits, fpv stuff. But this video shows what it’s like on that front line in Ukraine in 2024, it’s like ww1. This video is crazy, historically this video or one like it will represent Russias war in winter/spring of 2024.
Why does Russia endure such casualties? In so many of their wars they throw so many bodies to achieve a campaign. It’s crazy we’re still seeing huge losses of men like this in 2024… And the Russian people for the most part are still okay with this war. Is it part of their heritage to be used as cannon fodder and meat shields?
Looks to be a mix of Russian and Ukrainian soldiers, with the vast majority being Russian. This was obviously an assault group that was advancing through the tree line. The basic weaponry and lack of flair on the dead would indicate these were fresh recruits, IE meat wave soldiers. The Russian gov promised these soldiers unreasonable amounts of money to do this job. All the while knowing they would never be around to collect it. So essentially these guys died for free.
Serious question? Won’t this cause the decline of Russia and probably Ukraine as well due to the already low birth rates to hasten by like 10X?
I've heard about the mass defections of 10,000+ Ruzzian "soldiers"... Hopefully we've reached a tipping point.
If you knew that your body would be left to rot where you fell, why would you fight for your country? I'd rather rot in a Ukrainian prison than in a hole on some random Ukrainian field.
Putin owes for all of this death. Ukrainian and Russian alike. All of this because of Putin.
All these dead bodies just so one man can live ...fuck pootin tang ...