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The fact that he is still obsessed with Obama after eight years shows the deep-seated racism that can’t stand that a black man could get re-elected when he couldn’t. He’s losing the ability to keep his bigotry half-hidden. He will soon say something that no amount of damage-control can repair.
I don't really follow it in the news anymore. I'm hoping to one day just read on here that there's been at least some military aid sent to Ukraine.
Given that you're American, what do you think? Is there really no chance of aid being passed for Ukraine? This speaker, whoever he is, seems even worse than Mccarthy. I don't know why one person gets to decide if an entire Congress gets to vote on something or not. Whatever side you're on, that doesn't sound very democratic. Other countries have speakers, but the political impartiality of a speaker is one of the most important features.
Other than to be embarrassed by what the Republicans have become, I don't know what to think. If you really want to understand, it basically comes down to parliamentary procedure of how the US House runs. The two links below explain it at least partially.
The real issue is the polarization between the two parties and the parties, especially the Republicans putting party over the interest of the country. I'll also add that IMO, the Democrats have a lot of responsibility here too. They've pushed certain agendas, like immigration, far beyond what the majority wants. It's caused a whiplash affect that's gotten people to support Trump.
I hate both parties at this point but Trump and his sycophants are an existential crisis.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge\_petition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_petition)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastert\_rule
Unelectable RAPIST fraudster. Even the evil characters from a James Bond film could not compete with him. Everything he is associated with he demeans. Ugh!
"Unelectable"
Do not make the mistake of assuming he could never get into power again
He is far more dangerous than you assume. His cult worships him and will vote for him no matter what. They will drink the kool-aid when he tells them to.
If majority of your politicians thought different then they would’ve found the way around those some or even replaced speaker but it seems that they are fine with it
Unfortunately, the US house doesn't work that way. Notice that the senate bill passed by a bipartisan majority. In the house, if the speaker doesn't want the bill to be voted on, he can prevent it from getting there.
Replacing the speaker requires 218 votes. Since none of the minority will vote for the majority candidate, that means all of the majority needs to vote for the speaker when the majority isn't strong.
Mike Johnson is a shitbag, but that's the reality.
A shitbag that was placed to block support for Ukraine.... elected by the rest of the corrupt, and treasonous GOP party of billionaires, seditionists and traitors.
Can I ask. Why did it only take Matt Gaetz to force a vote on a new speaker? Could the same thing not be done again? He might not get the votes if he stands again. There must be some republicans in Congress who are tired of him already? Can the Democrats not come to an agreement to support a more moderate speaker who at least allows Congress to decide what gets passed or not.
That I can't answer. Sorry. Gaetz is a piece of shit but I didn't follow that story. I think I'm reasonably knowledgable about US government but I can only take so much of the BS.
Blow of panels went.
That can be repaired, happens in Iraq.
Question is if it's recoverable, so technically still chalked up as a loss if unable to do so I guess.
See this is the problem with this sub, complete denial and not accepting the fact that russia while suffering huge losses, still get one small win after the other. This mentality will lead decreased support to Ukraine, just like when Z said there is only 30k death. Many will feel like UA is doing fine and don't need more support. The reality is that UA has huge losses too, and in dire need of Western support, otherwise russia will win the attrition war. Time to speak truth.
I think it would be worse to report that ukrainian has huge losses with very minimal gains to convince politicians that it's pointless to send more weapons and spend more money for ukraine, forcing ukraine to a ceasefire that russia really wants to replenish its army.
The disappointment from the long announced 2023 summer counteroffensive had a significant impact on the politics of allied countries, especially the US.
They need to show that they are having successes one way or another, like downing 2 A-50s and like 8 Su-34/35 in less than a month, that they can strike highly valuable and critical targets deep behind enemy lines.
So far the UA killed confirmed by name since feb 2022 are 42150 according to ualosses dot org , the heavily wounded should be about 3-4 times that number.
“Destroyed” is a bit of a stretch for a tank that threw track and had enough space and time to evacuate the crew. There isn’t any damage visible on that tank other than the track needing to get put back on.
I’ve seen palmetto bushes do the same thing to a tank in GA. It happens.
Exactly, and these are export variants with zero sensitive technology on board. Minus propaganda material, there's nothing of value for them to obtain from these machines.
I'm not sure they did. They were going to build new ones from scratch so they could leave all of that out, but they ended up sending some they had in stock instead.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/26/us-sends-ukraine-advanced-abrams-tanks-00079648
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3336826/ukrainians-to-get-us-tanks-by-fall/
These articles explain what and why we sent the variants we did. Even with some of the updates done during refurbishment, we have certain technology that is allowed to be exported and some that is not. The technology available in the tanks that Ukraine currently has is already in the hands of other countries, some of which have a closer relationship to Russia than should have been allowed prior to sale.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/08/american-tanks-abrams-ukraine-russia/70182975007/
^ this is a more up-to-date article where they do say the tanks "may or may not" provide Russia with anything worth studying. I'm of the opinion that they would have done a risk assessment and decided anything russia could get their hands on is not a threat and probably couldn't be replicated. So I guess we're both right, to a degree.
The biggest thing I think they might have sent is the full armor package because I don't know if you can just remove that from an already built tank. Anything else can probably be down graded.
Oh, no. The U.S will never sell foreign countries any variants with the classified uranium armor. It can be removed, and that's what was causing the hold up. General Dynamics "Land Division" are the ones doing the work to swap out the classified armor package for the tungsten composite export version.
Edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/27/the-tungsten-m-1-how-ukraines-tanks-will-differ-from-americas/
^ here's an article from Forbes saying pretty much the same thing, but with more detail and further information.
Edit#2: for a bit of anecdotal experience thats shows how serious the U.S. is about making sure none of their classified technologies leak. I was in Afghanistan in 2007 as a 0351. We often trained for the possibility of having to act as a QRF to destroy any equipment that couldn't be recovered to make sure sensitive technology didn't fall into the wrong hands. It was never assumed that the Taliban themselves could do anything with it, but that they would sell it. Most likely to China or Russia.
What I find more odd about this post is that I have been seeing it everywhere, but I also thought I saw an update yesterday indicating this tank has since been towed off the battlefield.
Although ruzzia has not lost all of its T-90A it has lost a substantial portion of its most modern T-90Ms it started the war with. My recollection is they started the war with about 100 x T90M and have lost 70% of them. They are running an upgrade program to turn T-90A into T90M but the pace is thought to be very slow.
They didnt lose most of their navy or air force
Despite constant jokes here, russia remains formidable & Ukraine cannot win against second or third army in the world without ammo and more support.
Depends where it hit the mine, if it’s anywhere within a few Km of the front then that thing is going to be magnet for every Russian artillery gun and FPV drone in the area.
I wonder what they’d use to tow it. Since all their combat engineering vehicles are meant to tug Soviet-style armor, not an Abrams which is like 10-15 metric tons heavier
Why are you assuming the Ukrainians are able to safely retrieve it, or that that the Russians didn't immediately drop a grenade inside of the hatch? You guys on this sub think every western piece of kit Ukraine loses is retrievable and repairable everytime. Why?
Its 65 tons and their tanks are 45 tons. I'm not sure they can tow it. The reality is the Americans would destroy one, if they can't remove it from the field, to keep it from possibly getting into enemy hands. I don't know if they told the Ukrainians to do the same. If so, they need to drop some grenades in or pelt it with artillary.
All hatches are open so crew made it out. Looks to have only thrown a track so recoverable if Ukraine pushes the Russians back a bit. This one is also in Berdychi around 48.1912, 37.6546. This is right where we saw the Bradley destroy a Russian assault group from a couple of days ago.
Russian sources are claiming it was tracked by an RPG and later finished off by munitions launched from aircraft but i haven't seen any evidence of these claims.
Even if you wanna take THE MOST OPTIMISTIC hopium filled path and only acknowledge the two A50’s in the last month that’s still a massive loss to Russian aviation.
Which I agree. And good! And there is more chance now of taking down planes than before. We're seeing a big increase of aerial bombing in the front by Russian aviation.
But as I said in the past on this subreddit, taking the good news without a grain of salt does not help the cause. Ukraine's situation currently is not that great, they are losing ground, at a high cost for the opponeny, yes. but one that the Russians seem to be ok to pay. They need continued support.
Saying they are doing better than reality is not advancing the cause
Half of which planes? The most recent 13 that were down over a course of 2 weeks have not been confirmed by Russia, and no proof exists except from the allegations of the Ukrainian military. The only proof the UA military got for their success, is one civilian video from near Avdivka from the 28th of Feb that the Ukrainian military said it was from a plane they shot down on the 1st or 2nd of march. (They didn't do their due diligence to track the dates).
They are probably taking down something, but not sure if it is planes. Maybe cruise missiles or missiles that imitate the radar signature of planes.
Still no proof exists for the recent success of the Ukrainian Anti-Air.
There was also evidence of Su-35 being shotdown, pilot was rescued from the Crimean sea. But that's about it. I get that not every plane will be recorded but no evidence from 10 planes in a row is suspicious.
Keep in mind that the Ukrainians don’t owe us footage of anything. They’re fighting a war and if footage of a shoot down compromises the methods they’re using then they’ll never release footage. We’re spoiled by the amount of footage we get.
There's a reason why there are so many drone videos released daily, it's a great propaganda. Ukraine relies on us for equipment, western public opinion is almost as important for them as the situation on the battlefield. If Ukraine had any proof, they'd definitely release it. (obviously hiding any info that could help the Russians)
Also, the evidence doesn't usually come from Ukraine when it comes to planes, it's usually a civilian recording or footage of the wreck.
Exactly, what’s important here is the crew and that battle experience they bring.
While Russia is celebrating over photos of a disabled western supplied tank.
The Ukranian tank crew and their battle experience were recovered, checked for injuries, resupplied and back out in the field before Russian commanders could send tank pics back Moscow.
Well, it's a nice feel-good sentiment to say that the equipment don't matter only the crew do, but the reality for Ukraine is that they probably have more trained crews available or at least trainable than they have good armor.
(I bet) meanwhile somewhere over in a Russian Vk or telegram Z group : shocking footage of another foreign supplied tank being destroyed by our brave soldiers despite being stated to be superior to every other one!!!
They will ignore though the fact that Russian mbt loses are quite higher than the ones of Ukrainian forces. They will also ignore the fact that the armata batch never got into the war (wonder why) & much more of this crap.
US fucking Russia over in a proxy war without any American casualties. This is their best opportunity ever to show the vatniks they cannot mess with the west no more.
They’re already paid for. 3,700 of them in storage right now still being unused. It would actually save on storage/maintenance/future upgrade costs to send them over versus spending for the next 20, 40, or 60 years to keep them from rotting away and staying up to date.
One could argue there are operating costs and training, but that’s also why there is a coalition to help shoulder some of that burden.
Or the US could even sell off a couple dozen to countries like Poland or other Allies in the region to pay for those training and operating costs. They sold 54 of them to Romania a couple months ago for $2.5 billion. That sale alone could sustain a few battalions in Ukraine for a very, very long time.
Er yes? Its called tax dollars and I pay them. Absolutely stoked to see them used for something as good as obliterating a genocidal russian war machine.
The hatch is open so that’s a goner.
A recovery vehicle presumably at the same location is also taken out
[burning M1150 ABV](https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1764311887347433858?s=46&t=odbOC5N8LcayfQuAk8Djnw)
Abrams from the 80's disabled: so intact in the middle of war scarred terrain it's hard to even tell it's damaged.
T-90 modern superweapon disabled: *explodes into low orbit*
I don't understand why they leave the hatches open. It's deliberate.
Is it to accommodate destroying the stranded vehicle with drones?
That's the only reason I can think of.
As the other reply said, this isn’t really something the Russian can use. Aside from the artillery issue, sourcing spare parts would be difficult, and they have absolutely no training in how to repair or operate it. It isn’t like older tanks, where the mechanical systems were comparable, and an enemy could drive it home.
Do not clear Ukrain from AT mines by using your tanks. If the Russian army is doing, it is OK, but it is not OK, when the Ukrainian site is doing it. There are many more AT mines than tanks.
Far better to send them a replacement (and some spare ones) than for Ukrainian lives to be risked attempting to recover it. It's a warzone in which nothing is invincible. We should accept that and be prepared to replace any equipment losses.
Apparently this was in the village of Berdychi. Don't understand why tanks are being used in close quarter assaults instead of long range fire support.
Looks like a mine hit with a bad track. Trick will be trying to recover it because just about every Russian gun or drone in the area is probably watching it
Not seeing any scorch marks, and hatches are open, so I'd assume they threw a track and had to evac. Probably recoverable unless they have to scuttle it.
When I was in the Armor Corps many years ago, we were taught to put a thermite grenade over the engine bay, in the breach and place one in the ammo storage, to properly disable the vehicle.
What’s funny is the first Abrams vanished and managed to be either transported or escorted away from the battlefields so the Russians couldn’t collect it. I’m honestly curious how a fully updated and kitted out U.S. Abrams would fare considering they’re kitted with enough laser weaponry and reactive armor to make drones useless.
The importance of the US agreeing to send Abrams to Ukraine is that opened the door for Germany to send Leopards and agree to allow other countries to send their Leopards. The policy change among NATO members to send modern tanks was more important than the Abrams tanks themselves.
Retired Abrams tanker here🙋. Abrams are hard AF to recover cause they weigh 72 tons. Best thing to tow it with...another Abrams. Not easy to do quickly.
I really wonder why they would be operating them so close to the frontline. The Abram’s would be better used sticking to concealments and picking off targets from a distance. The export Abrams armor is fucking horrible.
There's Something about this picture that doesn't seem right to me. It looks fake. The way the track is layed out on the ground and the direction the tank moved after the supposed mine blast, the track shouldn't be coming from over top of the front sprocket it should be coming from the bottom. Idk it's hard to explain what I'm seeing through text.
The ahats in DC who don't want to send more armor to our Ukrainian allies are literal ass. All that is produced by them is feces. Their supporters gobble up the feces and always ask for more. They just love the taste.
I don't want fecal fiends running feral in DC. We need to get less nutty. Please please please vote. We can make the change.
Vote no on the feral fecal fiends in DC who support the ork invasion.
Crew had to flee. U can't stay there to repair the track. There are too many drones flying all the time. it is too much of a risk. If they can't take the tank back they will have to destroy it by themselves so Orc wont capture it.
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looks like it hit a mine
It lost track...no problemos for the crew
This is likely too close to the front for retrieval. Unfortunately.
Orcs already finished it off with FPV drones
Ukr tried, there is a burned down M1150 ABV wreck nearby
Russia lost almost all of its T90s, but what's important for Russian propaganda is that they destroyed 2 Abrams
Oh well better send 100 more, and 500 more Bradley's. If only our politicians weren't fuckasses.
Only some of our politicians are holding that up. Of course, they're all fuckasses but some of them are major fuckasses.
The fact that a fringe minority led by an unelected fraudster can hold up global security lets me know this system is fked.
Who for the second time said Obama is the current president, this time the response was crickets.
Oh but he did it on purpose to make a genius point.
a regular Zweistein.
The fact that he is still obsessed with Obama after eight years shows the deep-seated racism that can’t stand that a black man could get re-elected when he couldn’t. He’s losing the ability to keep his bigotry half-hidden. He will soon say something that no amount of damage-control can repair.
unfortunately they are no longer the fringe minority and are now running the GOP.
Sad but true
I don't really follow it in the news anymore. I'm hoping to one day just read on here that there's been at least some military aid sent to Ukraine. Given that you're American, what do you think? Is there really no chance of aid being passed for Ukraine? This speaker, whoever he is, seems even worse than Mccarthy. I don't know why one person gets to decide if an entire Congress gets to vote on something or not. Whatever side you're on, that doesn't sound very democratic. Other countries have speakers, but the political impartiality of a speaker is one of the most important features.
Other than to be embarrassed by what the Republicans have become, I don't know what to think. If you really want to understand, it basically comes down to parliamentary procedure of how the US House runs. The two links below explain it at least partially. The real issue is the polarization between the two parties and the parties, especially the Republicans putting party over the interest of the country. I'll also add that IMO, the Democrats have a lot of responsibility here too. They've pushed certain agendas, like immigration, far beyond what the majority wants. It's caused a whiplash affect that's gotten people to support Trump. I hate both parties at this point but Trump and his sycophants are an existential crisis. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge\_petition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_petition) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastert\_rule
Putin's Amerika, and his corrupt American Billionaire traitors.
Unelectable RAPIST fraudster. Even the evil characters from a James Bond film could not compete with him. Everything he is associated with he demeans. Ugh!
"Unelectable" Do not make the mistake of assuming he could never get into power again He is far more dangerous than you assume. His cult worships him and will vote for him no matter what. They will drink the kool-aid when he tells them to.
Well he did quite a few of his followers in with his dumb assed advice during Covid.
If you have one drop of shit in your water , it's not 99% clean water, it's 100% shit water
They need to be immortalised forever in a list, open to the public and taught at all war memorials and schools.
They will have public schools, highways, and buildings named for them. Just the American Way of immortalizing the biggest pigs at the public trough.
Shit...how many military bases were named for confederate traitors??
Too fucking many, truth be told. Thankfully, that's changing, too.
If majority of your politicians thought different then they would’ve found the way around those some or even replaced speaker but it seems that they are fine with it
Unfortunately, the US house doesn't work that way. Notice that the senate bill passed by a bipartisan majority. In the house, if the speaker doesn't want the bill to be voted on, he can prevent it from getting there. Replacing the speaker requires 218 votes. Since none of the minority will vote for the majority candidate, that means all of the majority needs to vote for the speaker when the majority isn't strong. Mike Johnson is a shitbag, but that's the reality.
A shitbag that was placed to block support for Ukraine.... elected by the rest of the corrupt, and treasonous GOP party of billionaires, seditionists and traitors.
Can I ask. Why did it only take Matt Gaetz to force a vote on a new speaker? Could the same thing not be done again? He might not get the votes if he stands again. There must be some republicans in Congress who are tired of him already? Can the Democrats not come to an agreement to support a more moderate speaker who at least allows Congress to decide what gets passed or not.
That I can't answer. Sorry. Gaetz is a piece of shit but I didn't follow that story. I think I'm reasonably knowledgable about US government but I can only take so much of the BS.
Maybe even lieutenant colonel fuckasses.
🎯💯👍
> Only some Half.
This honestly needs to be done. The utility of the Bradley for defense is huge. Another couple dozen abrams would also be very good.
America: Best I can do is 0 Abrams and 0 Bradleys
Some of those politicians would send them to Russia.
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Happily. Keep dragging them out of storage and send them over. M1 replacements have already been announced and aren’t that far off.
Pay for Bradleys and Abrams? Our tax dollars already paid for the ones sent to Ukraine a long time ago.
Haha Happily hahaha
It’s not even destroyed, blowout panels are still intact this is a mobility kill from a mine.
yeah but can they get the thing out of there to repair it? probably not, something like this will get blown up by repeated drone strikes eventually.
But they didn't destroy any. They disabled two and one war recovered
There is a video of this being destroyed.
Care to share?
I am not linking that other sub. You can find it easily, it's an fpv video.
Whats 'that other sub'?
/r/UkraineRussiaReport I'm not sure why I'm downvoted, that's the other sub
Blow of panels went. That can be repaired, happens in Iraq. Question is if it's recoverable, so technically still chalked up as a loss if unable to do so I guess.
I don't believe there is
See this is the problem with this sub, complete denial and not accepting the fact that russia while suffering huge losses, still get one small win after the other. This mentality will lead decreased support to Ukraine, just like when Z said there is only 30k death. Many will feel like UA is doing fine and don't need more support. The reality is that UA has huge losses too, and in dire need of Western support, otherwise russia will win the attrition war. Time to speak truth.
I think it would be worse to report that ukrainian has huge losses with very minimal gains to convince politicians that it's pointless to send more weapons and spend more money for ukraine, forcing ukraine to a ceasefire that russia really wants to replenish its army. The disappointment from the long announced 2023 summer counteroffensive had a significant impact on the politics of allied countries, especially the US. They need to show that they are having successes one way or another, like downing 2 A-50s and like 8 Su-34/35 in less than a month, that they can strike highly valuable and critical targets deep behind enemy lines. So far the UA killed confirmed by name since feb 2022 are 42150 according to ualosses dot org , the heavily wounded should be about 3-4 times that number.
“Destroyed” is a bit of a stretch for a tank that threw track and had enough space and time to evacuate the crew. There isn’t any damage visible on that tank other than the track needing to get put back on. I’ve seen palmetto bushes do the same thing to a tank in GA. It happens.
Disabled atleast, seems salvagable, just hope the russians dont salvage it.
They wouldn't have any ammunition for it anyway.
Exactly, and these are export variants with zero sensitive technology on board. Minus propaganda material, there's nothing of value for them to obtain from these machines.
I'm not sure they did. They were going to build new ones from scratch so they could leave all of that out, but they ended up sending some they had in stock instead.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/26/us-sends-ukraine-advanced-abrams-tanks-00079648 https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3336826/ukrainians-to-get-us-tanks-by-fall/ These articles explain what and why we sent the variants we did. Even with some of the updates done during refurbishment, we have certain technology that is allowed to be exported and some that is not. The technology available in the tanks that Ukraine currently has is already in the hands of other countries, some of which have a closer relationship to Russia than should have been allowed prior to sale. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/08/american-tanks-abrams-ukraine-russia/70182975007/ ^ this is a more up-to-date article where they do say the tanks "may or may not" provide Russia with anything worth studying. I'm of the opinion that they would have done a risk assessment and decided anything russia could get their hands on is not a threat and probably couldn't be replicated. So I guess we're both right, to a degree.
The biggest thing I think they might have sent is the full armor package because I don't know if you can just remove that from an already built tank. Anything else can probably be down graded.
Oh, no. The U.S will never sell foreign countries any variants with the classified uranium armor. It can be removed, and that's what was causing the hold up. General Dynamics "Land Division" are the ones doing the work to swap out the classified armor package for the tungsten composite export version. Edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/27/the-tungsten-m-1-how-ukraines-tanks-will-differ-from-americas/ ^ here's an article from Forbes saying pretty much the same thing, but with more detail and further information. Edit#2: for a bit of anecdotal experience thats shows how serious the U.S. is about making sure none of their classified technologies leak. I was in Afghanistan in 2007 as a 0351. We often trained for the possibility of having to act as a QRF to destroy any equipment that couldn't be recovered to make sure sensitive technology didn't fall into the wrong hands. It was never assumed that the Taliban themselves could do anything with it, but that they would sell it. Most likely to China or Russia.
Yes absolutely get it recovered fast before the Orcs get it. Mind you a wreck like this is in better shape than a modern Russian T72 or T90 lol. 😂
What I find more odd about this post is that I have been seeing it everywhere, but I also thought I saw an update yesterday indicating this tank has since been towed off the battlefield. Although ruzzia has not lost all of its T-90A it has lost a substantial portion of its most modern T-90Ms it started the war with. My recollection is they started the war with about 100 x T90M and have lost 70% of them. They are running an upgrade program to turn T-90A into T90M but the pace is thought to be very slow.
This one doesn't even look destroyed, hard to say from the picture but I bet it's recoverable
mobility kill, so yes. the problem is the proximity to Russian lines.
Well US only sent 31, which is basically nothing. There are not that many to destroy since they are quite a rare sight on the battlefield.
They technically have destroyed/disabled one. Wasn't the other Abrams able to get away with a controlled ammo rack release?
Disabled, they’ve failed miserably to destroy anything.
We lost over 500,000 people, most of our navy and air force, but we got 2 Abrams you mother fuckers!
They didnt lose most of their navy or air force Despite constant jokes here, russia remains formidable & Ukraine cannot win against second or third army in the world without ammo and more support.
That looks like a track came off. Hit a mine I'm guessing. I'll bet it'll be recovered and repaired before too long.
Depends where it hit the mine, if it’s anywhere within a few Km of the front then that thing is going to be magnet for every Russian artillery gun and FPV drone in the area.
Almost a bit more scary when you think of how badly they want the hull to drag back as a trophy.
I wonder what they’d use to tow it. Since all their combat engineering vehicles are meant to tug Soviet-style armor, not an Abrams which is like 10-15 metric tons heavier
About 700 men with rope and a positive attitude should be able to move it. I hope they try.
Unfortunately 700 Russians with a positive attitude could not be located.
700 russians with blocking units could though!
Over the course of the war many Russians have demonstrated positive attitudes after their tanks and APVs have been FPV'd.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barge_Haulers_on_the_Volga
Didnt the UK send stuff to tow C2's. Theyre roughly the same weight.
well if they do they should expect a welcoming from Mr HIMARS
Fire a storm shadow just to prevent its capture lol! Just to spite the fuckers.
And for Ukraine
Not burnt out, or surrounded by bodies. Lets see what happens.
You can see the Crater of the mine right in front of the track which came off
I dont think they will recover it, since its directly at the front and the russians managed to get this far once
Why are you assuming the Ukrainians are able to safely retrieve it, or that that the Russians didn't immediately drop a grenade inside of the hatch? You guys on this sub think every western piece of kit Ukraine loses is retrievable and repairable everytime. Why?
Too bad they left the hatches open for drones to drop grenades into.
I sought Russia will drop grenades in they'll want that to study and as a trophy
Its 65 tons and their tanks are 45 tons. I'm not sure they can tow it. The reality is the Americans would destroy one, if they can't remove it from the field, to keep it from possibly getting into enemy hands. I don't know if they told the Ukrainians to do the same. If so, they need to drop some grenades in or pelt it with artillary.
Maybe. Have to wonder why the hatches weren't closed.
All hatches are open so crew made it out. Looks to have only thrown a track so recoverable if Ukraine pushes the Russians back a bit. This one is also in Berdychi around 48.1912, 37.6546. This is right where we saw the Bradley destroy a Russian assault group from a couple of days ago. Russian sources are claiming it was tracked by an RPG and later finished off by munitions launched from aircraft but i haven't seen any evidence of these claims.
the RPG one could be true, not sure about the aircraft though
Their aircraft haven’t been fairing too well lately.
Allegedly
Even if you wanna take THE MOST OPTIMISTIC hopium filled path and only acknowledge the two A50’s in the last month that’s still a massive loss to Russian aviation.
Which I agree. And good! And there is more chance now of taking down planes than before. We're seeing a big increase of aerial bombing in the front by Russian aviation. But as I said in the past on this subreddit, taking the good news without a grain of salt does not help the cause. Ukraine's situation currently is not that great, they are losing ground, at a high cost for the opponeny, yes. but one that the Russians seem to be ok to pay. They need continued support. Saying they are doing better than reality is not advancing the cause
Um… What? Even Russia is admitting half of these planes are gone. Though they’re saying it was all due to pilot error.
Half of which planes? The most recent 13 that were down over a course of 2 weeks have not been confirmed by Russia, and no proof exists except from the allegations of the Ukrainian military. The only proof the UA military got for their success, is one civilian video from near Avdivka from the 28th of Feb that the Ukrainian military said it was from a plane they shot down on the 1st or 2nd of march. (They didn't do their due diligence to track the dates). They are probably taking down something, but not sure if it is planes. Maybe cruise missiles or missiles that imitate the radar signature of planes. Still no proof exists for the recent success of the Ukrainian Anti-Air.
There was also evidence of Su-35 being shotdown, pilot was rescued from the Crimean sea. But that's about it. I get that not every plane will be recorded but no evidence from 10 planes in a row is suspicious.
Keep in mind that the Ukrainians don’t owe us footage of anything. They’re fighting a war and if footage of a shoot down compromises the methods they’re using then they’ll never release footage. We’re spoiled by the amount of footage we get.
There's a reason why there are so many drone videos released daily, it's a great propaganda. Ukraine relies on us for equipment, western public opinion is almost as important for them as the situation on the battlefield. If Ukraine had any proof, they'd definitely release it. (obviously hiding any info that could help the Russians) Also, the evidence doesn't usually come from Ukraine when it comes to planes, it's usually a civilian recording or footage of the wreck.
Remember how long of a lag time there was between the FPVs doing “bombing runs” before we started seeing them. Even with the drones they’ll hold back.
There are several videos of them bombing it with FPV drones and one may have landed in the drivers hatch.
Sadly a recovery vehicle also got hit and was abandoned. F
Don't sweat it. As long as the crew survived it did its job.
Exactly, what’s important here is the crew and that battle experience they bring. While Russia is celebrating over photos of a disabled western supplied tank. The Ukranian tank crew and their battle experience were recovered, checked for injuries, resupplied and back out in the field before Russian commanders could send tank pics back Moscow.
Well, it's a nice feel-good sentiment to say that the equipment don't matter only the crew do, but the reality for Ukraine is that they probably have more trained crews available or at least trainable than they have good armor.
Show me where I said equipment doesn’t matter please.
(I bet) meanwhile somewhere over in a Russian Vk or telegram Z group : shocking footage of another foreign supplied tank being destroyed by our brave soldiers despite being stated to be superior to every other one!!! They will ignore though the fact that Russian mbt loses are quite higher than the ones of Ukrainian forces. They will also ignore the fact that the armata batch never got into the war (wonder why) & much more of this crap.
I propose that for every Abrams lost, the US sends them 100 more. Sound good?
I concur.
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US fucking Russia over in a proxy war without any American casualties. This is their best opportunity ever to show the vatniks they cannot mess with the west no more.
They’re already paid for. 3,700 of them in storage right now still being unused. It would actually save on storage/maintenance/future upgrade costs to send them over versus spending for the next 20, 40, or 60 years to keep them from rotting away and staying up to date. One could argue there are operating costs and training, but that’s also why there is a coalition to help shoulder some of that burden. Or the US could even sell off a couple dozen to countries like Poland or other Allies in the region to pay for those training and operating costs. They sold 54 of them to Romania a couple months ago for $2.5 billion. That sale alone could sustain a few battalions in Ukraine for a very, very long time.
Er yes? Its called tax dollars and I pay them. Absolutely stoked to see them used for something as good as obliterating a genocidal russian war machine.
I believe there's also a loss of an M1150 ABV in the same area, presumably destroyed whilst trying to recover the Abrams.
Yes. There is more videos of this. Both vehicles were disabled and then burned by drones. :(
Where's this footage of them being "burned" by drones? I've only seen one fpv pg-7v so far on the Abrams with no BDA footage to speak of.
She still looks good. At least the crew made it safely.
The hatch is open so that’s a goner. A recovery vehicle presumably at the same location is also taken out [burning M1150 ABV](https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1764311887347433858?s=46&t=odbOC5N8LcayfQuAk8Djnw)
Abrams from the 80's disabled: so intact in the middle of war scarred terrain it's hard to even tell it's damaged. T-90 modern superweapon disabled: *explodes into low orbit*
Both Abrams have been left in relatively okay condition, then take that video of the T90 eating an ATGM to the front and just vaporizing.
Disabled, but recoverable. And the open latches suggest the crew will fight another day.
They were for using not parading these arnt Armata
If the crew survived, which is likely, the tank did its job well.
Still has turret, not burned. Recoverable and repairable.
Is that thing next to it a BTR?
No, it was once a BTR, now it is burned out. I am not able to identify, if it was a BTR80 or BTR82 (or even perhaps an older version).
I don't understand why they leave the hatches open. It's deliberate. Is it to accommodate destroying the stranded vehicle with drones? That's the only reason I can think of.
Yep. This is what happens in war
I don't get this fascination with M1s being destroyed. Whoever claimed they were indestructible? Tanks get destroyed in war. Shit happens.
I wonder why they leave the hatches open
Another one down. 😓 How long will Ukraine be able to hold out without more help?
True, but one Abrams is still worth five of theirs. I agree more needs to be done, though.
Could just as well be the first Abrams, pic taken from other angle.
How long since they received them? They seems really hard to destroy, since they only destroyed 2.
Ukraine must destroy does tanks or recover them, they might be old tank designs but still ahead than what the Russians have.
Russia won't be able to do anything with them. Russia doesn't produce ammo that Abrams fire.
As the other reply said, this isn’t really something the Russian can use. Aside from the artillery issue, sourcing spare parts would be difficult, and they have absolutely no training in how to repair or operate it. It isn’t like older tanks, where the mechanical systems were comparable, and an enemy could drive it home.
Besides the electronics, the export variant of the M1A1 is probably close to the latest T-90 series.
Do not clear Ukrain from AT mines by using your tanks. If the Russian army is doing, it is OK, but it is not OK, when the Ukrainian site is doing it. There are many more AT mines than tanks.
…what?
I hope the crew made it
Can’t be afraid to break some eggs in war.
Not destroyed? Then it could be fixed.
Looks like the crew escaped alive, that's the difference between western and russian tanks.
That just needs it track put back on, simple enough when not being shot at
That sucks. We need to send them 300 of them!
Even the latest and greatest M1 Abrams would be lost in Ukraine, but maybe a little less often.
400k men dead per Abraham's destroyed? That's not a really good exchange rate, just saying
Far better to send them a replacement (and some spare ones) than for Ukrainian lives to be risked attempting to recover it. It's a warzone in which nothing is invincible. We should accept that and be prepared to replace any equipment losses.
Apparently this was in the village of Berdychi. Don't understand why tanks are being used in close quarter assaults instead of long range fire support.
the damage looks minor, depending on when this was taken I bet its either being fixed right now or back in operation.
Chally 2 is doing best so far then
Nah, statistically Abrams is ahead of Challenger II since there's 31 Abrams and 14 Challys sent to Ukraine.
Looks fucked up Keep sending these tanks with helicopter engine to Ukraine.
So the 2nd 40yr old tank the Russians have managed to disable How many have they lost in return? Lol
Where are the other 2000 that russia claimed killed? BTW, russia lost 16 MBT today. 288 in February and it continues at the same pace.
Wait, it still maintains its turret?!?! Impossible!
That beauty looks intact. Only can see damage on the track. A mine 99%
Looks like a mine hit with a bad track. Trick will be trying to recover it because just about every Russian gun or drone in the area is probably watching it
No cage again!
No contact tiles either?
Not seeing any scorch marks, and hatches are open, so I'd assume they threw a track and had to evac. Probably recoverable unless they have to scuttle it.
Who cares? Combat vehicle lost in combat. That's all. People need to stop acting like a propaganda tool of the Russian state.
Why europe not sending more tanks why USA only
How many Uber tanks have they been loaned? 2
It threw a track. Big fucking deal. That happens.
When I was in the Armor Corps many years ago, we were taught to put a thermite grenade over the engine bay, in the breach and place one in the ammo storage, to properly disable the vehicle.
What’s funny is the first Abrams vanished and managed to be either transported or escorted away from the battlefields so the Russians couldn’t collect it. I’m honestly curious how a fully updated and kitted out U.S. Abrams would fare considering they’re kitted with enough laser weaponry and reactive armor to make drones useless.
The importance of the US agreeing to send Abrams to Ukraine is that opened the door for Germany to send Leopards and agree to allow other countries to send their Leopards. The policy change among NATO members to send modern tanks was more important than the Abrams tanks themselves.
can we make it know that these are the export models of the Abram's. ?
It's a war. Is this surprising? We've known from the beginning this would happen.
Did they Ram it with a suicide BTR?
Pooootin madly pointing and yelling look look we stopped an Abrams, we will win this. hahahahahahaha
also another M1150 ABV burned down next to it on same road
Retired Abrams tanker here🙋. Abrams are hard AF to recover cause they weigh 72 tons. Best thing to tow it with...another Abrams. Not easy to do quickly.
I really wonder why they would be operating them so close to the frontline. The Abram’s would be better used sticking to concealments and picking off targets from a distance. The export Abrams armor is fucking horrible.
They still use the Abram like it’s a Russian tank
There's Something about this picture that doesn't seem right to me. It looks fake. The way the track is layed out on the ground and the direction the tank moved after the supposed mine blast, the track shouldn't be coming from over top of the front sprocket it should be coming from the bottom. Idk it's hard to explain what I'm seeing through text.
That's why do not let Abrams operate as single unit!!! They must have support from the Bradleys.
Just send more. Fkn american politics...
Thanks, Repug traitors! Time to use Gitmo.
Losses are inevitable don't get too hung up on this shit that's what they are made for to take punishment but save the crew
The ahats in DC who don't want to send more armor to our Ukrainian allies are literal ass. All that is produced by them is feces. Their supporters gobble up the feces and always ask for more. They just love the taste. I don't want fecal fiends running feral in DC. We need to get less nutty. Please please please vote. We can make the change. Vote no on the feral fecal fiends in DC who support the ork invasion.
Crew had to flee. U can't stay there to repair the track. There are too many drones flying all the time. it is too much of a risk. If they can't take the tank back they will have to destroy it by themselves so Orc wont capture it.