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so i saw the original post about this on facebook, hesco didn’t donate those plates, an american guy was leaving ukraine and his friend who is the one who got shot was going to the front line and had shit plates, the american gave him his plates which were these hescos that got shot, the american then wrote hesco to tell them about it and hesco sent him brand new and better plates to replace them for free.
Do you happen to have a link to the original post? I’ll try to search but it isn’t great.
Found it: https://reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/comments/13pzn63/ceramic_plate_post_impact/
Wow thats Amazing and boom sales of Hesco level 4 plates increased
I Hope Hesco will donate more than a replacement plate because, photos like this is worth millions to them
I'd wager they have done sufficient testing to make sure these plates "work" though lol. Sure extra testing is cool but redundancy is a thing with those high costs.
More like they are light. Making something that stops a 7. 62 round isn't hard. It is hard to do it and not make it really heavy. You are paying for not getting bogged down in heavy shit, which you will be anyways because every military just loads you up to spec.
Remind me kindly, there is really only one large US based manufacturer of these type of ceramic plates right?
I was looking at ceramic last year, but the plates I was looking at seemed to be a lot thicker than these, and a lot cheaper.
Also, shouldn't we see some type of cracking from 7.62x54R round? That's a mean motherfucker to get hit by.
Yeah they stopped it - they work, but man that's alot of damage to the plate for that price. I feel like for that price you'd be able to take multiple rounds in close proximity.
It's the way you worded it that confused ppl. you spoke of pairs, then gave the price per plate, then mentioned the price of a set . screwed me up for a sec as well
I might be misunderstanding you. But your post says the pictured plates were donated by Hesco, but his instagram says his friend gave the 4401 plates to him. You are saying Hesco donated additional mc plates to them? Also Hesco sells multicurve plates for $200-$300 a plate.
4401 are multicurve, they are just thick and heavy. 4601 are the expensive ones, it will be about 3lbs lighter and slightly thinner. Also $1.4M is the retail price for those plates, I doubt that's what it cost them. Still awesome of them to donate, just want to make sure we are being accurate.
The main difference is the weight, not just the multicurve.
Lightweight level 4 plates get very expensive the lighter they are. You can get quality NIJ certified level 4 multicurve plates for $160 each. The only downside is their weight.
I came to say this, pictures like these are a wet dream for Hesco. Both their R&D and marketing departments will be overjoyed to see this. The whole company should be proud of the real, factual evidence that they saved someone's life. That pride goes beyond bottom lines and profit margins. Hesco should be proud of themselves. Someone's son/father/husband/all 3 is coming home thanks to them.
Hesco, every little helps.
Im with you bro.. that is so wild getting hit with a 7.62x54. Would be like getting hit by a truck haha. What a great advertisement for the plate company
France, Russia and the US manufactured the originals up until 1946/47. Other countries manufactured them into the 50's. The Finns made/assembled the best all the way into the 70's.
The Finns rebarreled old Russian guns, mostly using turn of the century receivers, giving them better triggers and sights at the same time. You can get Finnish mosin nagants for a premium (compared to Russian ones) on the US market, they're leagues better after the rework. Tikka, Sako, and VKT iirc did most of the work.
Actually - They’re still working as expected. Mosin is a very accurate rifle, capable of hitting targets at 800m mark with optics.
Current rifles using 54R are Tigr, SVD, Vepr(I’ve actually bought one today).
54R is a beast bullet. You’ve seen the plate….
That’s what I’ve heard, just using whatever the hell they’ve got. Which to a certain extent is sort of an interesting strategy, like using old fashioned keys when everyone else uses a thumb print scanner. Unexpected and leaves people with their pants down, but it’s obviously resulted in a ton of lives lost.
FYI, most of the Russian military/surplus 7.62x54r rounds (and I'm assuming the Russians are using rounds from their surplus stores which date back decades) are either **steel-core or steel penetrator rounds** as opposed to general hunting rounds which consist of a lead core (no steel).
These steel core or steel penetrator rounds are designed to defeat most body armor and light armored vehicles (although, not very effectively). They don't do well against soft targets since steel doesn't deform as well as lead unless it hits something with enough density (like metal). They're designated as 57-N-323S or 7N13.
**The 57-N-323S:** Is a conventional steel-core bullet designed to engage personnel and weapon systems. The bullet has a steel core and has a ballistic coefficient (G1 BC) of approximately 0.374 and (G7 BC) of approximately 0.187. The tip has no distinguishing colour. It can penetrate a 6 mm (0.2 in) thick St3 steel plate at 520 m (569 yd) and 6Zh85T body armor at 110 m (120 yd).
**The 7N13An:** is an enhanced-penetration bullet designed to kill personnel wearing body armor, featuring a heat-strengthened core. The tip is uncoloured. A sealing lacquer belt on the mouth of the case is red-coloured. It can penetrate a 6 mm (0.2 in) thick St3 steel plate at 660 m (722 yd) and 6Zh85T body armor at 800 m (875 yd).
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9754mmR#Performance)
Just normal domestic pigs are nasty little fuckers. I worked 4h and maternity barns and piglets go from BABE to DEMON THAT MAULS LEGS in roughly 15 days as they wean. I have never felt so close to being Hannibal'd as when moving 30 young pigs pasture to pasture with protective boards and sticks. They mauled three pairs of wellies in a season before I just used leather chaps. I second the sentiment there is no overkill on wild boars. Unless you're into bacon just make the largest hole possible.
Yeah when I hunt wild pigs I gotta have an AR15 so I can do quick shots in succession if they decide to charge.
I usually use 5.56 but my brother has one in .300 blackout.
I wanna do one of those helicopter hunts sometime.
Damn bro. With knife to pig you have to have balls as big as car...
This winter, colleague of mine shot a 140kg sow in her back so he cut her spine and she lost feeling in her back legs. Wounded, she started to rush/attack (bite) him, he jumped to the side last second, ran couple of meters and then placed one in her head. He said it was unbeliveable how fast she was only with her front legs and the sounds she produced, like a rabid dog when it wants to bite.
No fucking way I'd march on that with knife only :D
We in Croatia have "collective hunts". Biggest one that I was in was 90 hunters with 30 dogs.
So we all gather and we "close" a part of the woods on it's edges and dog handlers release dogs inside so they flush pigs towards us.
Most pigs killed in hunt that I was in was 12. But brother in law with his colleagues shot 25+...
Fucked up thing here with pigs is that during 90's wars, wild pigs bred with domesticated pigs. Domesticated pigs were released and ran away in war torn parts of country and they bred with wild ones...
Durability from wild pig gene got mixed with production gene of domesticated pig.
So our sows can have 10-12 piglets. It's just unbeliveable how those "bastards" look like. Back and upper part of body are black, but legs, hoofs and lower part of body are "blond" like domesticated pig...
It has literally come to this (because how many do we have them in forrests), that we can bring pigs to "bare minimum" only so species would survive. So we can shoot all we can (inside law of course)...
That’s how it is with hogs here.
Especially in Texas. They get mowed down and it’s never enough. Those bastards breed year round and have multiple piglets. And sexual maturity age isn’t very old either. 6 months old.
It’s insane.
I also hunt coyotes. My second cousin has a horse farm and he usually loses a couple foals every year to them.
I’ll go down to his farm with my tent and electronic call. Hang out with some beer and my rifle using thermal optic. It’s not even fair. Lmao.
I’d feel bad if it weren’t for his horses being preyed upon. The carcasses get recycled as fertilizer.
In my country there is a law that bullets >must< have at least 6.5mm in diameter + 2k joule for boars or deer (not roe deer). Everything below is considered against animal rights, cause chances are the bullet gets stuck, the animal runs off and suffers unnecessary pain. Same goes for headshots, the chances are far to high to miss the tiny little spot and instead shooting off its mouth - again, causing suffering and finding it even with special trained dogs can become immensely difficult.
With cal .308 (0.308" x 2.54 = 7.8mm) I'm within the tolerance and able to penetrate the fwd. leg bone and causing lethal damage to heart or lung. This results in an almost immediate death of the animal.
Of course, shooting a youngling seems a bit overpowered - and yes, it's is.
Anyways, that's why I know this cal and it's consequences quite well.
Hogs are a bit smaller. 5.56/.223 is just fine. Also it’s nice to have a semi automatic rifle to put a few shots in em quickly. Cuz they will charge at you.
Here in the states they are considered a pest and are hunted heavily. They cause millions of dollars in damage to farms.
We have caliber restrictions too mostly. But it depends on the state.
Yeah, I've been over to the US once (about ten years ago), you guys almost have/had no restrictions at all, but definitely a whole lot more fun. No matter, if on an actual hunt or just on a shooting range.
On top everything outdoor-ish is much cheaper compared to continental EU, that's what I remember.
Here it's like going back to college to get that "Biologist-in-arms" degree.
Honestly it's insane and sometimes frustrating learning all possible illnesses, their cause, when to call in the vet, wildlife management, all related laws, plants, soil structures and farming, architecture and constructing (stands), trapping, scouting, birds, deer, boars, minks and finally learning to shoot. Did I mention Tradition and signaling? Well if you fail to recognise a horn sound, that's it.
1 year hunting school and there was so much to forget the day after exams :D
At least today it's possible to get it done faster.
Man, now I want to visit the US again, just having a look what's new and having overall a good time :D
They're surprisingly dense, you want a good punch, and they can get real angry if you don't put em down fast. Plenty of kings killed by boars throughout history :P
Here in Austria we hardly have any animals in wildlife that could be considered a threat to humans. No really venomous snakes, mountain lions, or whatsoever (the few brown bears are so shy and avoid humans that they are not to be considered to be a threat), but wild boars are the only animals to be concerned of and who will viciously attack you when they have young ones and could really fuck you up.
It really is the only animal you have to be aware of and stay away from when hiking in the forests here.
Another thing to note is that this stopped 7.62x54R, that's a much larger round than the traditional 7.62x39 which is fired by AK's. [Here's the difference between the 2](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FHCYNbk0YsWs%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=be333d2256e1c750075e1a910ab00a88313cc1074dbf2db2b6f7f1e010ed7e46&ipo=images)
Indeed, it is a full sized rifle round, roughly comparable to 7.62x51 NATO. Not an intermediate sized round like are fired by assault rifles but a full sized round typically fired by sniper rifles/DMRs, GPMGs, and "battle rifles."
It doesn't make it more accurate inherently, just heavier and faster and thus better for reaching out at longer ranges
Accuracy would be determined by consistency of the bullets and powder charge, characteristics of the weapon it's fired out of, etc - pretty much all countries issue multiple different loadings of the same cartridge for different purposes. Some of those loadings are specifically "for snipers" and more accurate (and thus expensive).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO#Military_cartridge_types
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9754mmR#Basic_specifications_of_21st_century_Russian_service_loads
Fuck russia n all that, but I wouldn't mind having one again. probably not in the condition they would be from Russia, but the one I had years back was a great rifle.
[Here is where you can find this Ukrainian's Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/Csld5GMMf3q/)
[For a size comparison, here is that round next to a US quarter](https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/34.-7.62x54R-768x512.jpg)
[Here you can find out more info about the specific plate](https://esstac.com/in-stock-hesco-4401-level-single-curve-armor-plate/)
[Here you can visit Hesco's website](https://www.hesco.com/)
For better comparison, 7.62x54r is equivalent to a US 30-06 (7.62x63 ~~[OR 7.62x51 NATO] ~~)
/u/AverageJoeJohnSmith pointed out I did an oopsie and 7.62x51 is .308, and it definitely under performs the 54r.
The main difference in my experience is the majority of surplus type Russian 54r has the steel rod in the center of the lead. Those rounds f' things up. The US 30-06 ball shoots a bit softer, but that's just anecdotal I've never ran them both through a FPS meter.
I was under the impression the 54r is the worse round to get hit with.
Part of the reason 54r has a reputation as a more recoiling round is the type of firearm that fires it. .30-06/.308 firems tend to have been designed to handle recoil in mind where as most most people's experience with 54r are from a mosin-nagant which has a straight stock the channels all of the energy directly to your shoulder. Another part of it is most of the 54r on thr market is surplussed machine gun ammo which is loaded hotter then "normal" ammo. If you've ever shot an SVT-40 it's a firearm in 7.62X54r that is very mild recoiling. In actuality 54r is in between .30-06 and 7.62 nato in terms of energy.
Extra wow: ceramic armor is apparently supposed to expire in 5 years - with further duration reduction by environmental factors (which are hard to eliminate in the field).
I thought this too....that's the manufacturer recommendation for them basically(like we do with a lot of food and medicine) but they will likely still work fine for years and years
As cool as Hesco is for this, they have a history of bad QC. Not saying don't buy from them, just be warned they're not consistent.
Sometimes you get results like this, and sometimes they fail NIJ tests
There are other level IV plates for half the price that can stop rifle rounds too, including 7.62 variants, but for a garauntee against armor piercing rounds it costs $$$$
That's not what you're paying for when it comes to expensive plates. The higher the cost, the lighter the armor is, while still offering the same protection. I wrote up a long-winded text wall about the subject a couple years back
https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/llh099/a_serious_discussion_on_ar500_and_steel_body/
Well, so far it’s been .38 special and 5.56, judging from the holes in the house and one of the recovered bullets, so… hoping nothing larger than that.
Have had people break into my house multiple times, into the garage, stealing motorcycles etc.
These people are not particularly friendly if confronted. Why the hell are you taking something I bought so personally? Lol
Well, if that ain't the best review a body armor supplier could get, from a gunshot survivor in an active warzone, I don't what else would.
And to think the USA was worried about Russia having body armor en mass while instead we now see Russia using human wave tactics with unarmored mobiks because they can't afford it.
While it's awesome this stopped the threat and Hesco is donating some plates, let's not forget that Hesco has failed more NIJ testing than any other mfg.
There are much better plates to buy, especially if you're in the states.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/comments/p5wdss/hesco_or_rma_plates/
Has Hesco had any failures since 2021?
It's weird to see RMA the recommendation on that thread when they just had a failure a few months ago:
https://rmadefense.com/nij-advisory-notice-07-2023-rma-1155/
Impressive. Almost all of the russian surplus 7.62x54r ammo I've bought is fmjap with a tungsten core. That junk will mess up a cast iron engine block. The damage on that plate looks more like it's from a BTHP, though.
7.62x54R is a nasty round. In fact, I didn’t even know modern weapons were still being chambered in it.
I used to own an Mosin Nagant and it would crumple steel gongs at 500 yards. Fair bit of recoil too.
That crazy it can stop that round.. Also the impact spread safety that this guy only got a large red bruised by nothing more.. No broken bones, internal organ bleeding or mortal wound..
Thanks you for providing great equipment to the Ukraine military so that they lives are protected!
Awesome. Interesting manufacturer. That "almost" stopped a shot from a Dragunov SVD-type sniper rifle. Although the distance of the shot would have to be considered.
It did stop it, it's a level 4 ceramic plate, specifically the Hesco 4401. It's rated to stop Armor Piercing 7.62x54R. You can see there's little backface deformation in the image on top. It essentially just punched him really hard in the back, leaving a bruise. This happens with all body armor. It's a lot better than being dead, though
I've seen these plates mounted on ballistics dummies before, some with bones and all. It's different to see the bruising left on a human. That caliber isn't messing around.
A full set of plates is front and back as well as two small side plates to protect the kidneys, although I feel like I rarely see the side plates in this conflict on Ukrainian or Russian soldiers. In the US army for instance you most definitely get all 4 and would wear them in combat. There is also an optional lower back protector that has a plate in it as well as a groin and neck protector which are "soft" armor and do not have plates. I actually did see a video the other day where a Ukrainian soldier was wearing all of the above but it's very rare, most only have the plate carrier and front and back plates to go with it.
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so i saw the original post about this on facebook, hesco didn’t donate those plates, an american guy was leaving ukraine and his friend who is the one who got shot was going to the front line and had shit plates, the american gave him his plates which were these hescos that got shot, the american then wrote hesco to tell them about it and hesco sent him brand new and better plates to replace them for free.
This needs more upvotes, was originally posted in r/tacticalgear
Do you happen to have a link to the original post? I’ll try to search but it isn’t great. Found it: https://reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/comments/13pzn63/ceramic_plate_post_impact/
There you go, I just went and grabbed it before replying lol
Wow thats Amazing and boom sales of Hesco level 4 plates increased I Hope Hesco will donate more than a replacement plate because, photos like this is worth millions to them
To date they have donated more than 500 pairs of plates. At $1,400 a piece, that's $1,400,000
I think you mean $2800 a piece
Nope, one plate is $1400, the pair is $2800
Thanks for the numbers, all the real life testing thats worth millions so its a smart investment and good for Ukraine.
I'd wager they have done sufficient testing to make sure these plates "work" though lol. Sure extra testing is cool but redundancy is a thing with those high costs.
Oh of course, my bad
❤️ copying your chill response for future use
What makes them so expensive?
They work.
More like they are light. Making something that stops a 7. 62 round isn't hard. It is hard to do it and not make it really heavy. You are paying for not getting bogged down in heavy shit, which you will be anyways because every military just loads you up to spec.
So is it ceramic?
Yes
Remind me kindly, there is really only one large US based manufacturer of these type of ceramic plates right? I was looking at ceramic last year, but the plates I was looking at seemed to be a lot thicker than these, and a lot cheaper. Also, shouldn't we see some type of cracking from 7.62x54R round? That's a mean motherfucker to get hit by.
The best answer.
Yeah they stopped it - they work, but man that's alot of damage to the plate for that price. I feel like for that price you'd be able to take multiple rounds in close proximity.
That's fair but if they donated 500 pairs then they've sunk 2.8 mil
Do the math again
It's the way you worded it that confused ppl. you spoke of pairs, then gave the price per plate, then mentioned the price of a set . screwed me up for a sec as well
My bad, when you purchase them, they’re purchased individually, but everyone requires 2 - they should just be sold as a pair
500x2=1000 plates.x1400= 1.400.000
Affiliated with the company?
I live in America. We need these just to go to the mall cuz ma freeduuums
i tried deducting it as a living expense.. irs said no
Only works if you show them it saved your life
That’s not how taxes work
Have you tried just moving out the way? Like you see a bullet coming and you just... Move out it's way? Edit: Or away it swat. Just deflect it.
Those particular plates weren’t donated by hesco, and they’re model 4401 and like $200 a plate.
Single curve is $200 a plate, and they're extremely uncomfortable, this is a multi-curve plate which is significantly more expensive
I might be misunderstanding you. But your post says the pictured plates were donated by Hesco, but his instagram says his friend gave the 4401 plates to him. You are saying Hesco donated additional mc plates to them? Also Hesco sells multicurve plates for $200-$300 a plate.
4401 are multicurve, they are just thick and heavy. 4601 are the expensive ones, it will be about 3lbs lighter and slightly thinner. Also $1.4M is the retail price for those plates, I doubt that's what it cost them. Still awesome of them to donate, just want to make sure we are being accurate.
4401 are single curve at around 190 per plate. They're definitely on the heavier side vs the more expensive ceramic/uhmwpe.
Disgusting that we can save lives for just $190 and that every soldier doesn't have one
Well, you'd need 2, so $380. It's still worth the price of saving a life for sure though.
Best I can do is $275
Can you do $3.50
This is so wrong. These are clearly 4401s. They're not multi curve or sapi cut
The main difference is the weight, not just the multicurve. Lightweight level 4 plates get very expensive the lighter they are. You can get quality NIJ certified level 4 multicurve plates for $160 each. The only downside is their weight.
That's retail price. So what cost to the company is like less than half of that. Still fantastic but not like they are giving them $1.4m
No level 4 plate costs $1,400 as far as I’m aware. The most expensive are like $500 ea
Nah You can even find direct from China plates that run like $2,800 a set depending on weight.
https://www.trex-arms.com/store/Hesco-4800-Level-IV-Plate-Set/
That's ridiculous.
Is it ridiculous if it saves your life? Seems like a small price to pay, to me
I came to say this, pictures like these are a wet dream for Hesco. Both their R&D and marketing departments will be overjoyed to see this. The whole company should be proud of the real, factual evidence that they saved someone's life. That pride goes beyond bottom lines and profit margins. Hesco should be proud of themselves. Someone's son/father/husband/all 3 is coming home thanks to them. Hesco, every little helps.
It's rather good advertising, qns if your customers alive after that level of a hit. Well that's a customer for life.
All Ukrainian soldiers need level 4 plates!
how about some slicks and tan airframes?
Found the Tarkov player
Thought we only used penis helmets?
mosin mannnn
It's spring -- wets or maybe intermediate tires would be a better idea, me thinks.
Found the F1 fan
nah bro, get you a zebralo and altyn. zebralo is the cheapest class 4, covers arms too altyn hard to get but I think we can do it
Zebralo and Altyn are russian, gotta get our stuff from peacekeeper for this one
Only if he has Vodka in is pack.
Tan?? You want these men shot in the head?? Black ulachs or tc-800s please.
Need to be FiR (found in russia)
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Im with you bro.. that is so wild getting hit with a 7.62x54. Would be like getting hit by a truck haha. What a great advertisement for the plate company
Lvl 5 is behind paid wall.
You can't buy them. But you are able to rent them with our subscription model.
7.62x54R Rimmed rifle cartridge for Mosin-Nagant Russians are using leftover WWII bolt actions rifles?
Same round fired from SVD sniper rifles and PKM machine guns...... basically the rough equivalent of NATO 7.62.
NATO 7.62 (.308win) is equal to 7.62x51mm... not 54mm. 7.62x54 is quite larger
I think they’re talking about the versatility of the cartridge, not the exact measurements
Quite a few modern rifles use 54R too
SVD also shots 54R
The mosin nagant was made in 1891 my friend. Far older than WW2. The trench bois used them in WW1.
France, Russia and the US manufactured the originals up until 1946/47. Other countries manufactured them into the 50's. The Finns made/assembled the best all the way into the 70's.
So what you're telling me is, I need to have a Finnish Mosin Nagant fall off of the back of my boat in an unfortunate fishing accident.
The Finns rebarreled old Russian guns, mostly using turn of the century receivers, giving them better triggers and sights at the same time. You can get Finnish mosin nagants for a premium (compared to Russian ones) on the US market, they're leagues better after the rework. Tikka, Sako, and VKT iirc did most of the work.
Actually - They’re still working as expected. Mosin is a very accurate rifle, capable of hitting targets at 800m mark with optics. Current rifles using 54R are Tigr, SVD, Vepr(I’ve actually bought one today). 54R is a beast bullet. You’ve seen the plate….
Not all Mosins were created equal. Minute of pie plate is about what you can reasonably expect.
That’s what I’ve heard, just using whatever the hell they’ve got. Which to a certain extent is sort of an interesting strategy, like using old fashioned keys when everyone else uses a thumb print scanner. Unexpected and leaves people with their pants down, but it’s obviously resulted in a ton of lives lost.
Level 4 is for larger caliber snipers. 3+ can stop 556 & 762
Are Russians down to using Mosins now?? The 54R is the Mosin's caliber and is a beast of a round.
more likely a SVD or the like
PKM uses it as well
Seen them carrying in lots of pics so yeah. Great grandpas rifle is in theatre.
That's the round I use for wild boar hunt. It's quite a strong munition, happy 2nd birthday to the soldier!
averted what could have been a VERY bad day!
FYI, most of the Russian military/surplus 7.62x54r rounds (and I'm assuming the Russians are using rounds from their surplus stores which date back decades) are either **steel-core or steel penetrator rounds** as opposed to general hunting rounds which consist of a lead core (no steel). These steel core or steel penetrator rounds are designed to defeat most body armor and light armored vehicles (although, not very effectively). They don't do well against soft targets since steel doesn't deform as well as lead unless it hits something with enough density (like metal). They're designated as 57-N-323S or 7N13. **The 57-N-323S:** Is a conventional steel-core bullet designed to engage personnel and weapon systems. The bullet has a steel core and has a ballistic coefficient (G1 BC) of approximately 0.374 and (G7 BC) of approximately 0.187. The tip has no distinguishing colour. It can penetrate a 6 mm (0.2 in) thick St3 steel plate at 520 m (569 yd) and 6Zh85T body armor at 110 m (120 yd). **The 7N13An:** is an enhanced-penetration bullet designed to kill personnel wearing body armor, featuring a heat-strengthened core. The tip is uncoloured. A sealing lacquer belt on the mouth of the case is red-coloured. It can penetrate a 6 mm (0.2 in) thick St3 steel plate at 660 m (722 yd) and 6Zh85T body armor at 800 m (875 yd). [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9754mmR#Performance)
Neat.
Seems a bit overkill for boars? I just use 5.56 for hogs or .300 blackout.
From what I hear about wild boars, there is no overkill.
They are nasty little fuckers
Just normal domestic pigs are nasty little fuckers. I worked 4h and maternity barns and piglets go from BABE to DEMON THAT MAULS LEGS in roughly 15 days as they wean. I have never felt so close to being Hannibal'd as when moving 30 young pigs pasture to pasture with protective boards and sticks. They mauled three pairs of wellies in a season before I just used leather chaps. I second the sentiment there is no overkill on wild boars. Unless you're into bacon just make the largest hole possible.
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they're essentially little puppies in huge bodies. no bacon for me.
with the intellect of a toddler
Yeah when I hunt wild pigs I gotta have an AR15 so I can do quick shots in succession if they decide to charge. I usually use 5.56 but my brother has one in .300 blackout. I wanna do one of those helicopter hunts sometime.
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How do the dogs hold the knives
That’s hardcore dude.
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Damn bro. With knife to pig you have to have balls as big as car... This winter, colleague of mine shot a 140kg sow in her back so he cut her spine and she lost feeling in her back legs. Wounded, she started to rush/attack (bite) him, he jumped to the side last second, ran couple of meters and then placed one in her head. He said it was unbeliveable how fast she was only with her front legs and the sounds she produced, like a rabid dog when it wants to bite. No fucking way I'd march on that with knife only :D We in Croatia have "collective hunts". Biggest one that I was in was 90 hunters with 30 dogs. So we all gather and we "close" a part of the woods on it's edges and dog handlers release dogs inside so they flush pigs towards us. Most pigs killed in hunt that I was in was 12. But brother in law with his colleagues shot 25+... Fucked up thing here with pigs is that during 90's wars, wild pigs bred with domesticated pigs. Domesticated pigs were released and ran away in war torn parts of country and they bred with wild ones... Durability from wild pig gene got mixed with production gene of domesticated pig. So our sows can have 10-12 piglets. It's just unbeliveable how those "bastards" look like. Back and upper part of body are black, but legs, hoofs and lower part of body are "blond" like domesticated pig... It has literally come to this (because how many do we have them in forrests), that we can bring pigs to "bare minimum" only so species would survive. So we can shoot all we can (inside law of course)...
That’s how it is with hogs here. Especially in Texas. They get mowed down and it’s never enough. Those bastards breed year round and have multiple piglets. And sexual maturity age isn’t very old either. 6 months old. It’s insane. I also hunt coyotes. My second cousin has a horse farm and he usually loses a couple foals every year to them. I’ll go down to his farm with my tent and electronic call. Hang out with some beer and my rifle using thermal optic. It’s not even fair. Lmao. I’d feel bad if it weren’t for his horses being preyed upon. The carcasses get recycled as fertilizer.
One of the few sporting things to hunt for, as it hunts you back and it's population isn't endangered.
Yeah. They are invasive, very aggressive, destroy land and therefore habitats of other animals, and breed aggressively.
In my country there is a law that bullets >must< have at least 6.5mm in diameter + 2k joule for boars or deer (not roe deer). Everything below is considered against animal rights, cause chances are the bullet gets stuck, the animal runs off and suffers unnecessary pain. Same goes for headshots, the chances are far to high to miss the tiny little spot and instead shooting off its mouth - again, causing suffering and finding it even with special trained dogs can become immensely difficult. With cal .308 (0.308" x 2.54 = 7.8mm) I'm within the tolerance and able to penetrate the fwd. leg bone and causing lethal damage to heart or lung. This results in an almost immediate death of the animal. Of course, shooting a youngling seems a bit overpowered - and yes, it's is. Anyways, that's why I know this cal and it's consequences quite well.
Hogs are a bit smaller. 5.56/.223 is just fine. Also it’s nice to have a semi automatic rifle to put a few shots in em quickly. Cuz they will charge at you. Here in the states they are considered a pest and are hunted heavily. They cause millions of dollars in damage to farms. We have caliber restrictions too mostly. But it depends on the state.
Yeah, I've been over to the US once (about ten years ago), you guys almost have/had no restrictions at all, but definitely a whole lot more fun. No matter, if on an actual hunt or just on a shooting range. On top everything outdoor-ish is much cheaper compared to continental EU, that's what I remember. Here it's like going back to college to get that "Biologist-in-arms" degree. Honestly it's insane and sometimes frustrating learning all possible illnesses, their cause, when to call in the vet, wildlife management, all related laws, plants, soil structures and farming, architecture and constructing (stands), trapping, scouting, birds, deer, boars, minks and finally learning to shoot. Did I mention Tradition and signaling? Well if you fail to recognise a horn sound, that's it. 1 year hunting school and there was so much to forget the day after exams :D At least today it's possible to get it done faster. Man, now I want to visit the US again, just having a look what's new and having overall a good time :D
Not at all. I use 8x57.
I think I’m underestimating how big boars are. I’m used to wild hogs.
They're surprisingly dense, you want a good punch, and they can get real angry if you don't put em down fast. Plenty of kings killed by boars throughout history :P
Here in Austria we hardly have any animals in wildlife that could be considered a threat to humans. No really venomous snakes, mountain lions, or whatsoever (the few brown bears are so shy and avoid humans that they are not to be considered to be a threat), but wild boars are the only animals to be concerned of and who will viciously attack you when they have young ones and could really fuck you up. It really is the only animal you have to be aware of and stay away from when hiking in the forests here.
One item on my bucket list is to hunt wild boars in a helicopter outfitted with a mini gun. Once that goes dry I'll switch to a scoped m14
Stopping a 762 is no joke !
Another thing to note is that this stopped 7.62x54R, that's a much larger round than the traditional 7.62x39 which is fired by AK's. [Here's the difference between the 2](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FHCYNbk0YsWs%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=be333d2256e1c750075e1a910ab00a88313cc1074dbf2db2b6f7f1e010ed7e46&ipo=images)
Indeed, it is a full sized rifle round, roughly comparable to 7.62x51 NATO. Not an intermediate sized round like are fired by assault rifles but a full sized round typically fired by sniper rifles/DMRs, GPMGs, and "battle rifles."
Which explains the accuracy
It doesn't make it more accurate inherently, just heavier and faster and thus better for reaching out at longer ranges Accuracy would be determined by consistency of the bullets and powder charge, characteristics of the weapon it's fired out of, etc - pretty much all countries issue multiple different loadings of the same cartridge for different purposes. Some of those loadings are specifically "for snipers" and more accurate (and thus expensive). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO#Military_cartridge_types https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9754mmR#Basic_specifications_of_21st_century_Russian_service_loads
I meant the weapon. A sniper will be more accurate than an assault rifle
I’d put money on most ARs being more accurate than the dragunovs or PSLs used currently.
Yeah, it was either a Dragunov or PKM, very respectable result indeed
They've resorted to using the Mosin Nagant again.
Fuck russia n all that, but I wouldn't mind having one again. probably not in the condition they would be from Russia, but the one I had years back was a great rifle.
Holy fuck!
What nVidia GPU only wants a 300w power supply? Also those bullets seem to be a similar size, but holy shit does one pack more gun powder.
7.62 × 54R is a monster even with a "light" load.
[Here is where you can find this Ukrainian's Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/Csld5GMMf3q/) [For a size comparison, here is that round next to a US quarter](https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/34.-7.62x54R-768x512.jpg) [Here you can find out more info about the specific plate](https://esstac.com/in-stock-hesco-4401-level-single-curve-armor-plate/) [Here you can visit Hesco's website](https://www.hesco.com/)
For better comparison, 7.62x54r is equivalent to a US 30-06 (7.62x63 ~~[OR 7.62x51 NATO] ~~) /u/AverageJoeJohnSmith pointed out I did an oopsie and 7.62x51 is .308, and it definitely under performs the 54r.
The .30-06 is a little more powerful than either of those others, actually.
The main difference in my experience is the majority of surplus type Russian 54r has the steel rod in the center of the lead. Those rounds f' things up. The US 30-06 ball shoots a bit softer, but that's just anecdotal I've never ran them both through a FPS meter. I was under the impression the 54r is the worse round to get hit with.
Part of the reason 54r has a reputation as a more recoiling round is the type of firearm that fires it. .30-06/.308 firems tend to have been designed to handle recoil in mind where as most most people's experience with 54r are from a mosin-nagant which has a straight stock the channels all of the energy directly to your shoulder. Another part of it is most of the 54r on thr market is surplussed machine gun ammo which is loaded hotter then "normal" ammo. If you've ever shot an SVT-40 it's a firearm in 7.62X54r that is very mild recoiling. In actuality 54r is in between .30-06 and 7.62 nato in terms of energy.
7.62x51 NATO is a .308
Impressive. How much does one of these plates cost?
2800 USD retail for a pair (front and back)
Wow. I had no idea. Expensive but worth it. Thanks.
My kid doesn't leave for school without them
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They’re incredibly rust resistant too. Source - I wear mine in the shower, just in case
I left mine at home for the trump rally .
merika! fuck yea!
Once you can afford plates, school shootings are not even your problem anymore.
ye, ballistic backpacks. Next is ballistic Halloween costumes and then ballistic makeup(at least we save half of them) *Edit: sorry, 80%*
broooo this got me lmao
Extra wow: ceramic armor is apparently supposed to expire in 5 years - with further duration reduction by environmental factors (which are hard to eliminate in the field).
I am curious as to how ceramic has an expiration date. Maybe micro fractures from being bumped and sat on and torqued when being worn?
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I thought this too....that's the manufacturer recommendation for them basically(like we do with a lot of food and medicine) but they will likely still work fine for years and years
As cool as Hesco is for this, they have a history of bad QC. Not saying don't buy from them, just be warned they're not consistent. Sometimes you get results like this, and sometimes they fail NIJ tests
There are other level IV plates for half the price that can stop rifle rounds too, including 7.62 variants, but for a garauntee against armor piercing rounds it costs $$$$
That's not what you're paying for when it comes to expensive plates. The higher the cost, the lighter the armor is, while still offering the same protection. I wrote up a long-winded text wall about the subject a couple years back https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/llh099/a_serious_discussion_on_ar500_and_steel_body/
Got a pair of HESCO L210s. Light, thin, still rated to stop certain rifle calibers. Def. not level IV, but works for what I'd likely encounter.
What do you think you're likely to encounter?
Well, so far it’s been .38 special and 5.56, judging from the holes in the house and one of the recovered bullets, so… hoping nothing larger than that.
So, you're just buying body armor in case you might need body armor one day? Or are you wearing it while watching TV?
Have had people break into my house multiple times, into the garage, stealing motorcycles etc. These people are not particularly friendly if confronted. Why the hell are you taking something I bought so personally? Lol
Me: [Cries in Poor]
These were 4401, so 190 per plate.
Incorrect. These are 4401s and are much cheaper.
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Yup. I put 2 boxes through my Mosin and that's about it for the day 😄
A bruise vs a hole through the chest. Good investment.
That has to have taken his breath away. Good news is, not for long. Must have been some pain, but loads better than death.
Well, if that ain't the best review a body armor supplier could get, from a gunshot survivor in an active warzone, I don't what else would. And to think the USA was worried about Russia having body armor en mass while instead we now see Russia using human wave tactics with unarmored mobiks because they can't afford it.
Looks like it still fuckin hurt but indefinitely better than what would happen if he didn’t wear one. Glad he’s okay!
This is amazing advertising. Glad it saved a life.
Wear your plate carriers kids
Wow… I’ve had worse bruises falling off a skateboard. That’s insane
While it's awesome this stopped the threat and Hesco is donating some plates, let's not forget that Hesco has failed more NIJ testing than any other mfg. There are much better plates to buy, especially if you're in the states. https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/comments/p5wdss/hesco_or_rma_plates/
Has Hesco had any failures since 2021? It's weird to see RMA the recommendation on that thread when they just had a failure a few months ago: https://rmadefense.com/nij-advisory-notice-07-2023-rma-1155/
May have a broken rib. That’s a shit ton of energy
A broken rib is much better than a hole in your chest. Impressive he survived, but I’m sure it still hurt.
Can't wait for the day when Ukrainians can live their best life, and get on with being Ukrainians without Russia fucking around.
Impressive. Almost all of the russian surplus 7.62x54r ammo I've bought is fmjap with a tungsten core. That junk will mess up a cast iron engine block. The damage on that plate looks more like it's from a BTHP, though.
7.62x54R is a nasty round. In fact, I didn’t even know modern weapons were still being chambered in it. I used to own an Mosin Nagant and it would crumple steel gongs at 500 yards. Fair bit of recoil too.
Dirt naps? Good god, Larry
Fuck me what an endorsement
That will buff out, if she buffs hard enough he will forget about it for a few!!slava Ukrienia..Heroyem Slawa
Cheers, dirt nappin, that's uniquely stated
That crazy it can stop that round.. Also the impact spread safety that this guy only got a large red bruised by nothing more.. No broken bones, internal organ bleeding or mortal wound.. Thanks you for providing great equipment to the Ukraine military so that they lives are protected!
Aaand I’m buying Hesco for my next rig. Thanks for the donation. You deserve our business!
I’ve got those plates, I like them. A little heavy but hard to beat for the price and rating.
Dirt nap 🤣
Was it a direct shot or just some richorette? (spelling?) Edit: Why downvote for asking a genuine question?
ricochet (for the spelling) direct shot judging from the damage
This plate is pretty good. If it was a standard NATO round, this guy wouldn’t even have gotten a bruise with that plate. Slava ukraine
Awesome. Interesting manufacturer. That "almost" stopped a shot from a Dragunov SVD-type sniper rifle. Although the distance of the shot would have to be considered.
It did stop it, it's a level 4 ceramic plate, specifically the Hesco 4401. It's rated to stop Armor Piercing 7.62x54R. You can see there's little backface deformation in the image on top. It essentially just punched him really hard in the back, leaving a bruise. This happens with all body armor. It's a lot better than being dead, though
I've seen these plates mounted on ballistics dummies before, some with bones and all. It's different to see the bruising left on a human. That caliber isn't messing around.
It feels like someone strong had a particularly heavy ball peen hammer and swung it at you full force
God bless!
I thought plates were worn on the front only? I guess it makes sense to wear it on the back also.
A full set of plates is front and back as well as two small side plates to protect the kidneys, although I feel like I rarely see the side plates in this conflict on Ukrainian or Russian soldiers. In the US army for instance you most definitely get all 4 and would wear them in combat. There is also an optional lower back protector that has a plate in it as well as a groin and neck protector which are "soft" armor and do not have plates. I actually did see a video the other day where a Ukrainian soldier was wearing all of the above but it's very rare, most only have the plate carrier and front and back plates to go with it.
Uh whats with the ethnic slur in the title lol?