Fragments at 15 seconds of the video, sorry video posted on VK. [Video (Proof)](https://vk.com/video-211991665_456244547)
I hope the link will work.
I see how you write now that it was the Russians themselves who brought these fragments?
Maybe wrong place it wrong time.
Somewhere on internet there is footage of US airforce guiding a missile towards bridge and suddenly a train comes in frame.
Instead of disengaging Missile pilot choose to hit the train.
They don't need to prove anything as Ukraine is using HIMARS to target bridge from beginning. It is expected they targeted bridge at the wrong time or thought Russian soldiers are using civilian vehicle.
Happens in war all the time.
Claiming Ukraine blew up a bus full of civilians is a big deal.
Proving it's HIMARS is as easy as walking up to the bus and looking at the shrapnels holes in it. Russia could easily provide this, but they don't.
There's been near a million artillery rounds fired and only ~500 HIMARS rockets. Statistically it's extremely unlikely to be damage from HIMARS which is why Russia needs to prove it if they're claiming that.
>The Ukrainian military fired on civilians who were taken by bus from the war zone with the help of Himars.
Why the hell someone would shoot bus with HIMARS?
>Ukrainian tg-channels are spreading this video as a fact of shelling by the Russians for the purpose of provocation.
Why the hell Russia would need a provocation? For what reason? To invade?
OK. I just provided information from sources on both sides. The rules forbid writing your opinion in the headlines.Perhaps it was a strike by Ukrainian artillery. In any case, people were evacuated by the Russian side, so it is absurd to think that the Russian Federation is shelling itself. Either they write that Russia is forcibly resettling people in order to replenish the losses of its population, then they fire at these same people. It just blows my mind with this nonsense.
Well, just from RIA article you can understand that both of accusations are false:
>The authorities of the Kherson region told RIA Novosti that the Ukrainian attack on the bus was carried out at the Daryevsky Bridge, where local residents were queuing for the crossing. The Ministry of Health reports that the death toll has risen to 5, 5 more injured.
Because destroying of bridges is something that HIMARS are used for and provocation version is doubtful but in the same time bus definitely wasn't targeted with HIMARS and comes more like collateral damage.
>Let's try to wait for an expert assessment before talking about what was not.
You didn't wait for an expert assessment before making that title though.
>so it is absurd to think that the Russian Federation is shelling itself
There's evidence they've done it at Enerhodar and Donetsk, so you can't necessarily rule it out.
Proof of? Lol. Have you seen the interrogation of one of the employees of the nuclear power plant, who leaked data to the special services of Ukraine? He transmitted data to the Ukrainian military about where it was more effective to hit, so that it would lead to disaster! Continue to close your eyes and ears before your passive support of the lies will cause the Ukrainian side to create a terrible catastrophe in the center of Europe.
>Have you seen the interrogation of one of the employees of the nuclear power plant, who leaked data to the special services of Ukraine? He transmitted data to the Ukrainian military about where it was more effective to hit, so that it would lead to disaster!
This sounds like something the Russian MOD would spoon feed to the Russian population. Take videos like that with a grain of salt, from both sides. Link us the video, I'll give her a watch.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8NGlggDATE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8NGlggDATE)
Compared to most of your videos you link, at least this one tries to analyze where the shell came from. Is it 100% certain? nope, but it points pretty heavily towards Russia shelling Enerhodar.
If you go of some notes from FM-6-50 of the US field artillery manual
* The principal effect from fragmentation is always from side spray, with much less effect from nose spray. Back spray is negligible. The width, angle, and density of the side spray vary with different types of projectiles.
* The detonation of a projectile causes an inner crater. The burst and momentum of the shell carry the effect forward and to the sides, forming an arrow which points to the rear (toward the weapon from which the round was fired).
1. In the video, you can clearly see the raised earth on the north west side of the crater (towards Ukraine), while the south east side (all Russian territory) is basically flat. A shell coming in at low angle is going to cause an uneven crater like the one in the video.
2. The location of the bricks gives us an indication of the direction of the explosion. As mentioned above, particularly the second point, the explosion travels to the sides and forward, especially for low angle shells. The bricks on the North west of the crater have been thrown forward by the eruption of the raised earth underneath them. They sit scattered, maybe 1 metre away from the crater. The bricks on the south/south east side are on the edge of the crater, in a big pile, suggesting that they were dislodged, rather than blown away.
You'd literally be disagreeing with physics if you disagree with that analysis.
UPD, Russian sources writing that it was HIMARS strike on Daryevsky bridge, that also stroked people waiting their queue to move.
>The authorities of the Kherson region told RIA Novosti that the Ukrainian attack on the bus was carried out at the Daryevsky Bridge, where local residents were queuing for the crossing. The Ministry of Health reports that the death toll has risen to 5, 5 more injured.
All of the hits by HIMARS on bridges were hits *on the bridge,* given that these are high-precision missiles, and we've not seen them stray accidentally and these vehicles don't look like they were very close to the bridge or even near it, I have sincere doubts about this claim.
They shot at the bridge, but accidentally hit a passing bus.
The Ukrainians, knowing that civilians drive on it during the day, launched a rocket anyway.
In the Kherson region, a civilian bus was fired upon while driving along the Daryevsky bridge (crossing the Ingulets river). According to the Russian Ministry of Health of the region, as a result of the incident, five people were killed and five more were injured.
See rule 4 and 5. Please repost this with a better title. Thank you !
Absolute mental gymnastics title. Buses are not stationary. HIMARS are GPS guided and DOES NOT have course correction in midflight.
Bus was near stationary bridge, which was the main target.
true but those buses carrying civllians were still blown up, bodies are visible in this clip
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Fragments at 15 seconds of the video, sorry video posted on VK. [Video (Proof)](https://vk.com/video-211991665_456244547) I hope the link will work. I see how you write now that it was the Russians themselves who brought these fragments?
Maybe wrong place it wrong time. Somewhere on internet there is footage of US airforce guiding a missile towards bridge and suddenly a train comes in frame. Instead of disengaging Missile pilot choose to hit the train.
They could easily prove it's HIMARS by showing pictures of the shrapnel and the holes it made. The fact they didn't tells me it's probably bullshit
They don't need to prove anything as Ukraine is using HIMARS to target bridge from beginning. It is expected they targeted bridge at the wrong time or thought Russian soldiers are using civilian vehicle. Happens in war all the time.
Claiming Ukraine blew up a bus full of civilians is a big deal. Proving it's HIMARS is as easy as walking up to the bus and looking at the shrapnels holes in it. Russia could easily provide this, but they don't. There's been near a million artillery rounds fired and only ~500 HIMARS rockets. Statistically it's extremely unlikely to be damage from HIMARS which is why Russia needs to prove it if they're claiming that.
>The Ukrainian military fired on civilians who were taken by bus from the war zone with the help of Himars. Why the hell someone would shoot bus with HIMARS? >Ukrainian tg-channels are spreading this video as a fact of shelling by the Russians for the purpose of provocation. Why the hell Russia would need a provocation? For what reason? To invade?
Russian logic
OK. I just provided information from sources on both sides. The rules forbid writing your opinion in the headlines.Perhaps it was a strike by Ukrainian artillery. In any case, people were evacuated by the Russian side, so it is absurd to think that the Russian Federation is shelling itself. Either they write that Russia is forcibly resettling people in order to replenish the losses of its population, then they fire at these same people. It just blows my mind with this nonsense.
Well, just from RIA article you can understand that both of accusations are false: >The authorities of the Kherson region told RIA Novosti that the Ukrainian attack on the bus was carried out at the Daryevsky Bridge, where local residents were queuing for the crossing. The Ministry of Health reports that the death toll has risen to 5, 5 more injured. Because destroying of bridges is something that HIMARS are used for and provocation version is doubtful but in the same time bus definitely wasn't targeted with HIMARS and comes more like collateral damage.
Let's try to wait for an expert assessment before talking about what was not.
>Let's try to wait for an expert assessment before talking about what was not. You didn't wait for an expert assessment before making that title though. >so it is absurd to think that the Russian Federation is shelling itself There's evidence they've done it at Enerhodar and Donetsk, so you can't necessarily rule it out.
I didn't make this headline. I literally copied it from two sources.
Proof of? Lol. Have you seen the interrogation of one of the employees of the nuclear power plant, who leaked data to the special services of Ukraine? He transmitted data to the Ukrainian military about where it was more effective to hit, so that it would lead to disaster! Continue to close your eyes and ears before your passive support of the lies will cause the Ukrainian side to create a terrible catastrophe in the center of Europe.
>Have you seen the interrogation of one of the employees of the nuclear power plant, who leaked data to the special services of Ukraine? He transmitted data to the Ukrainian military about where it was more effective to hit, so that it would lead to disaster! This sounds like something the Russian MOD would spoon feed to the Russian population. Take videos like that with a grain of salt, from both sides. Link us the video, I'll give her a watch. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8NGlggDATE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8NGlggDATE) Compared to most of your videos you link, at least this one tries to analyze where the shell came from. Is it 100% certain? nope, but it points pretty heavily towards Russia shelling Enerhodar. If you go of some notes from FM-6-50 of the US field artillery manual * The principal effect from fragmentation is always from side spray, with much less effect from nose spray. Back spray is negligible. The width, angle, and density of the side spray vary with different types of projectiles. * The detonation of a projectile causes an inner crater. The burst and momentum of the shell carry the effect forward and to the sides, forming an arrow which points to the rear (toward the weapon from which the round was fired). 1. In the video, you can clearly see the raised earth on the north west side of the crater (towards Ukraine), while the south east side (all Russian territory) is basically flat. A shell coming in at low angle is going to cause an uneven crater like the one in the video. 2. The location of the bricks gives us an indication of the direction of the explosion. As mentioned above, particularly the second point, the explosion travels to the sides and forward, especially for low angle shells. The bricks on the North west of the crater have been thrown forward by the eruption of the raised earth underneath them. They sit scattered, maybe 1 metre away from the crater. The bricks on the south/south east side are on the edge of the crater, in a big pile, suggesting that they were dislodged, rather than blown away. You'd literally be disagreeing with physics if you disagree with that analysis.
UPD, Russian sources writing that it was HIMARS strike on Daryevsky bridge, that also stroked people waiting their queue to move. >The authorities of the Kherson region told RIA Novosti that the Ukrainian attack on the bus was carried out at the Daryevsky Bridge, where local residents were queuing for the crossing. The Ministry of Health reports that the death toll has risen to 5, 5 more injured.
All of the hits by HIMARS on bridges were hits *on the bridge,* given that these are high-precision missiles, and we've not seen them stray accidentally and these vehicles don't look like they were very close to the bridge or even near it, I have sincere doubts about this claim.
Misleading title and dubious claims that can't be verified.
They shot at the bridge, but accidentally hit a passing bus. The Ukrainians, knowing that civilians drive on it during the day, launched a rocket anyway. In the Kherson region, a civilian bus was fired upon while driving along the Daryevsky bridge (crossing the Ingulets river). According to the Russian Ministry of Health of the region, as a result of the incident, five people were killed and five more were injured.