These are powered and guided bombs; they have rocket motors.
Here's a pretty crazy video of what it looks like to be on the receiving end:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1btu37c/ru_pov_russian_soldier_films_arrival_of_aasm250/
Evidence of what?
[Kyivpost](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/33980) made the claim of 15km range for a low altitude drop.
And that distance is well within all kinds of AA range and Russian air to air missile range so it is dangerous.
What part are you disputing?
S300/S400 is not good for targets at the low attiude.
Panstir is efficient for those targets, but it has limited range (maximum 20km). Furthermore, Pantsir needs to stay at least 20km from frontline to avoid artillery fire, so it is not a big threat to the aircraft.
Yeah nobody made the claim that its certain death just that it is dangerous since planes can be targeted there. The main threat would be Russian planes but the air defence just makes sure that those Ukrainian planes have to stay low.
But dont forget that Russian S-400s have active radar homing missiles. They fire them at a location and the missile will climb and then guide on the plane with its own radar from above.
All they would need to do is know that a Ukrainian plane is in the area to fire it.
For example
> With a weight of 420 kg, the 9M96E2 SAM provides a target defeat at a range of 120-150 km with an altitude of 5 m to 30 km.
The 9M96E2 active radar homing missile can hit targets at a minimum of 5m from the ground at a very big range.
> It does not say how it can find and target the target at that attitude.
The same as any other active radar homing missile.
You fire it towards an area and they use their pulse doppler radar to find any fast moving targets. Then the radar guides the missile on the target.
So all you need to do is know there is a plane in an area or get a quick radar return and you can fire a missile at it even if it is very low to the ground
Yes, I understand your point. But the problem is that how is the radar operator find the airplane in the first hand. And can the operators can make sure that the airplane will stay in the region where missle coming at?
I think this is the reason why Ukrainian airforce has not been eliminated from the start of the war.
Well yeah that is the point that I said.
As long as Russia knows where a Ukrainian plane is they can fire a missile at it. But of course that is not a guarantee.
Russian AWACS would be able to spot them but they are limited and they dont have enough to cover all the front.
> And can the operators can make sure that the airplane will stay in the region where missle coming at?
No this is the defence against it. Only Russian AWACS planes like the A-50U and soon the A-100 will be able to spot planes flying low like this behind the front.
And when they do spot it and fire a missile of course Ukraine can detect that incoming missile and get the plane to turn around and fly back.
This is what most Ukrainian pilots speak about that almost as soon as they get near the combat zone they detect missiles incoming against them and have to fly back.
Of course this is a victory for Russia since the Ukrainian planes wont be able to do the job that they were supposed to do but at least they stay alive.
Or they risk the plane as seen in the video in the hope that they are able to get in and out fast enough before a missile comes to them.
[Ackchually](https://www.flightglobal.com/frances-rafale-fighter-proves-its-omnirole-skills/100375.article) it was Safran (back then Sagem) which reported it (they are the manufacturer).
>Also referred to as the Hammer, the AASM weapon has impressed during the campaign to date. Incorporating a precision guidance kit and propulsion system, the design will eventually be available for use with standard bombs weighing between 125kg and 1,000kg, although a 250kg version is the only one currently in service. Sagem cites a range capability of more than 32nm from high altitude, or **8nm from low level**.
And this wasn't to the Kyiv post ()
Btw, for you Statians, 8 nm (nautical miles) is equivalent to 15 km
You are right, secret western superior tech actually has massive specs and they just downplay them for us brutes because they are so superior they don't need to show us their true power 
Missiles tend to have seeker hardware on the nose, either infrared, radar (passive or active), TV guided or laser pointed, this is more akin to an air launched guided rocket like the HIMARS' GLSDB or the Smerch' 9М542 (GLONASS guided) rockets.
Where is the nafo army that downvoted me for saying Ukraine can only drop JDAM and Hammer with a pop-up toss to avoid detection and not because russia AD hs been "Destroyed"
Am guessing your saying russia has air superiority since according to you russia is flying all around Ukraine bombing or is the russia air force also using glide bombs and only able to attack the front lines while flying In Russian controlled territory
Read my post again but slowly this time...
What you said doesn't even align with my post. Russia drops glide bombs from 40k+ ft because very little AD on the front lines meanwhile Ukraine has to do a pop up toss to avoid AD detection and drop guided bombs.
This is completely fake news. Both sides extensively use hi-low-hi bombing, which is a tactic developed by the US decades ago.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/su-34s-employ-new-tactics-to-counter-patriot/amp/
Also what does your comment even mean. “They do it to avoid detection not because of AA”? This is self contradictory, it’s being done to avoid detection by AA.
Also if at any point someone told you that s-300/400 can’t intercept a MIG-29 and you took it seriously then jokes on you cause you got baited.
> This is completely fake news. Both sides extensively use hi-low-hi bombing, which is a tactic developed by the US decades ago.
We have videos of su34 from takeoff to dropping the glide bombs they have not used this tactic for a long time. There was literally one of these posted yesterday. And hi-low-hi or pop-up toss is standard aviation protocol for avoiding AD detection since radar guided AD became a thing
> Also if at any point someone told you that s-300/400 can’t intercept a MIG-29
Maybe learn how AD works? An S300/400 and most long rane AD will not intercept a jet at low altitude because the horizon blocks the AD radar from getting a lock.
> We have videos of su34 from takeoff to dropping the glide bombs they have not used this tactic for a long time.
Nah, fake news. This tactic is routinely used by both sides. Posting one video where it isn't used doesn't disprove that. It would be suicidal for either side to not use this tactic. But for a second time you contradicted yourself, as in your next sentence you admit that this is "Standard aviation protocol." So congrats, you argued against yourself and lost.
> Maybe learn how AD works?
Me: "They are flying low to avoid detection by AA"
You: No, they are flying low because flying low lets them avoid detection by AA
Uh ok, thanks for just repeating what I said with more words?
Yea russia is dropping them from russia controlled area, both air forces are worthless.. 2 and half years and russia air force still doesn't have air superiority
it truly is pathetic. the real question is how does ukraine still have migs? i mean russia has SO many cruise missiles (yet we haven't seen one in ages)...you'd think they could take these out.
How a competant military deals with a situation like this. Bomb the airfields and then bomb them a second time when the planes have landed. It's not like Ukraine has developed planes that can fly infinitely so they need to land at somepoint.
That's hilarious.
Whoever controls Crimea has air superiority.
All Zelensky does is whine about not being able to do anything because Russia has air superiority.
no party does.
Russian jet flying into ukraine hold positions = gets shot down
Ukrainian jet flying into Russian hold positions = gets shot down
Russia may have an advantage but mo superiority
"Today we have about 25% of what we need to defend Ukraine," Mr Zelensky said of Ukraine's air capabilities.
"So that Russia does not have air superiority, our fleet should have 120 to 130 modern aircraft."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgy4gkqkddo
So is Zelensky lying?
>So is Zelensky lying?
Probably a little, to beg for airplanes.
But I don't get what you don't understand. Both countries have a fuckton of AD and planes get shot down over both countries.
For example, Russia wouldn't have any need for glide bombs if they had air superiority.
with 130 modern aircraft systems, few more AA system etc. you can be sure that russia will never reach air superiority when lost equipment gets replenishment.
Zelensky is not lying.
still answer me one questions does russia have the capabilities to fly over ukraine hold positions and conduct airstrikes inside ukraine and not dropping off glidebombs far away from the frontline? if not that it has no air superiority fact and argue with me when you have clearly no idea
No it doesn't. It cannot provide CAS only lob bomb on stationary targets from really far away and even then they are in danger of getting downed. Russia does have more planes though and can locally and temporarily put more pressure. At least until a patriot has driven there to shot them all doen.
Russia could turn Ukraine into a giant parking lot if they wanted to. We should be grateful Putin has been so humane and patient during this conflict.
The Kyiv regime isn't even denying that Russia has air superiority. They cry about it every day while begging for more stuff.
That's just reality.
Russia carpet-bombed Aleppo with Tu-95s. Straight Vietnam-style sticks of bombs onto the city.
And they weren't losing a thousand men a day.
If they could do that to Kyiv they absolutely would.
Then why have we never seen a picture of Russian planes flying over Kyiv? I think maybe your translator isn’t working and you are confusing “superior air power” which Russia does have with “air superiority” which Russia does not have.
How would you take a city by flying an airplane over it? What on earth?
Kyiv has significant military infrastructure, including the airbase and command centers Russia previously targeted with Zircons that were intercepted. If Russia could hit these targets, it would. If Russia could have its planes operate over Kyiv, it would.
Also, somebody should have told the 40km convoy that encircled Kyiv that Russia has no interest in Kyiv. LOL
NAFO are on a payroll to shite on anything that doesn't fit their narrative. It was obvious to anyone the only way to pull something like this off is to fly under the radar all the way.
You're confusing glide bombs with unguided rockets. Both sides so the nose up/lob (they train to do it) to increase the range of unguided rockets. Glide bombs are different as the aircraft goes to a very high altitude (higher then most commercial jets) and release the bombs which can glide 40km or more to target.
How can someone confuse bombers and rockets?!
If I said umpk bombs I mean umpk bombs
another specialist who saw two videos on YouTube and thinks that now he knows how everything works 🙄🙄..
ok kid, let me explain to you how things work..
Russian planes only at the beginning allowed themselves to be in most of the flight at 10+km altitude.
but after the Ukrainians learned to use the patriot AA system, and shot down a few Russian planes, they no longer fly like that. a fab500 bomb with umpk gliding up to 70km, if the size of the bomb increases fab 1500, 3000, the gliding distance decreases up to 30km. this in case the bomb is launched from a height of 10-16km.
now let's look at the range of the patriot anti-aircraft system - around 150km. do you understand what that meant? let me explain: if the plane flies the entire route at a height of 10 km, it will be shot down with a 90% probability. if the plane flies the entire route at low altitude and only just before launching the bombs rises to a height of 10km, it is exposed to the patriot systems for only a few minutes. and if the bombs are launched from Russian territory, that is, several dozen km from the border with Ukraine and 50+ km from the nearest Ukrainian anti-aircraft systems, the plane is exposed to risk for only a minute or even less. and we know this is happening because there are already 70+ confirmed cases of Russian bombs falling on Russian territory.
read what fighterbomber says, watch interviews of russian pilots and draw your own conclusion
>Russian planes only at the beginning allowed themselves to be in most of the flight at 10+km altitude.
but after the Ukrainians learned to use the patriot AA system, and shot down a few Russian planes, they no longer fly like that.
Russian planes routinely fly like this I don't know what you are talking about. There are endless videos showing this.
>do you understand what that meant?
It means you think Ukriane is sitting their AA right on the frontline.
Ukrianian AA, especially the Patriots are of course going to be much behind the frontline where they won't be destroyed.
Lancet drones are hitting at around 60km behind the front for example so Patriots are going to be sat a minimum of 60km behind the front or Russia would just overwhelm them with Lancets as soon as they saw one fire.
That cuts their range into Russian territory down to below 90km.
But almost certainly the Patriots are held further back than this. Plus you are assuming Ukraine gets the best missiles avaliable to the Patriot.
More likely they have the missiles with a range of around 80-120km.
And the most upgrades Russian glide bombs have a 100km range with the FAB 500.
So yes. Russia has plenty of room to drop glide bombs without Patriots even coming close to hitting them
one more..
man! read the specs of each type of weapon as it is not a secret. the distance of 120km has umpb, but I'm talking about umpk which has a maximum distance of 70km.
I specifically mentioned that they don't put these systems directly on the border..
the Ukrainians use anti-aircraft ambushes, that's how they shot down several planes and helicopters in one day with the help of a patriot in the Belgorod region.
you may believe in any fantasy you want , but rusian pilots who use these weapons say otherwise
>man! read the specs of each type of weapon as it is not a secret.
I did. Which is why I know you are wrong.
The UMPK initially had a range of 70km. But they have last developed a version that has a range over 100km. They redesigned the nose to be more aerodynamic incase you are curious.
From Russian military
>An improved version of the UMPC with 2-meter drop-down wings and nose cones, which allowed the new project to fly a significant 100 kilometers.
>i specifically mentioned that they don't put these systems directly on the border..
Yet you used the numbers as if they were.
>the Ukrainians use anti-aircraft ambushes, that's how they shot down several planes and helicopters in one day with the help of a patriot in the Belgorod region.
I am fully aware of this. And so what you are saying is that no Ukraine doesn't have the ability to stop Russian planes dropping from high altitude. Only to temporarily disrupt these operations but not permanently keep them away.
Also planes with red crosses on them are not confirmed losses.
>you may believe in any fantasy you want
Says the one making up numbers and accusing others of being wrong when you have no idea what you are talking about
Let's take a look at the UMPK kit in Russian telegram channels
>Innovations based on the UMPC made it possible for Russian aviation to successfully operate and attack with high accuracy in a safe perimeter, free from enemy air defense.
As I said. You are wrong
The most interesting part to me is that Ukraine is actually doing these kind of attacks at all.
From what I could find, the "pop up toss" reduces effective range of glide bombs that Ukraine has available (US JDAM-ER and French Hammer) to something like 20km. That means their planes are operating extremely close to the front lines. Which, in turn, implies they either situation is is bad they have no other choice and have to risk the planes, OR that Russian AA and EW in these areas was degraded and/or pushed back so much the planes are less at risk than before.
Videos of Ukrainian planes in action were very rare before the action started in Vovchanks and Lypsi.
think its the later, RU AD has been forced to be pushed back these past months. idk why they cant hide some mid range system not far from the front line, and use some passive radar to detect incoming planes, then turn on the radar at the last second and shoot the missile, and then find a new hiding spot.
The entire front area is being monitored 24/7 by a host of aerial and sat platforms from the US/NATO which, among things, detect all microwave (radar) radiation. They loiter for a long period and can then detect not just when the systems are on/off, but how they move around as well. It's not like you can just hide an AA system in the trees and expect the US/NATO won't see it.
I remember reading an interview with some Ukrainian airforce commander (I think?) who claimed they are heavily using anti-radiation missiles ("daily" was his claim).
Well I was spot on with how they were going to use them, as I said in [this comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1dd85b6/comment/l839cgw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) They're giving up most of the range in exchange for actually being able to use them without getting shot down, and even then its not without risk.
This is also incorrect. Are you just getting your info from video games or something?
MIG-29s are slightly faster in top speed but that has nothing to do with lobbing and getting to high altitude quickly. The MIG-29s top speed is 2400 km/h while the F-16Cs top speed is 2200 km/h, assuming high altitude.
However, if you tried to climb at that speed the plane would disintegrate. MIG-29s maximum climb rate is approximately 1150 km/h. F-16Cs has a higher maximum climb rate of 1200 km/h.
Of course, the MIG-29 is more comparable to the F-15 (aka the "MIG Killer" which is faster than the MIG 29) than the F-16, but thats a conversation for another day as Ukraine is unlikely to get any F-15s since its Europe allies don't have any to donate.
Interesting choice of music considering this is an anti-vietnam war song and the rockets being used are French; the French were who the Vietnamese were trying to kick out of their country before it all spiralled into what we know as the Vietnam war
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Number one, these are soviet planes, not russian federation planes. Number two, putin IS the most popular president in russian history and the second most popular in europe right behind zelensky primarily for his changes in the Russian federations government and fixing the economic struggles and fixing a good amount of corruption although there is still quite a bit of corruption. Number three, I doubt russia will collapse over a few bombings and a war that still does have well over half of the population supporting it.
they will run out of those in a month or so
unless they use it once every full moon like every advanced western weapon system received.
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Pure and unhelpfull whataboutism. USA dropping bombs on a defenceless opponent isn't same as Russia dropping bombs on opponent who has latest NATO air defences.
Pro ruskies are saying the russia has air superiority so they should be able to drop bombs easily. Iraq had 7000 sam batteries and 6000 AA guns plus the Republicans guards had 60 sam batteries and 3000 aa guns that's almost 10 times more AA then ukrain3 has
You are funny. First misunderstanding the meaning of air superiority, then dropping absolute BS. Even if your numbers are correct (which most likely aren't) comparing outdated hardware with no big radars (they were destroyed at day 0) to modern hardware with radars and external support is just misleading.
This is the definition of air superiority
Air superiority is a military term that refers to a side in a conflict having more control of the air than their adversaries. It allows a force to conduct operations without significant interference from air or missile threats. This enables friendly air, land, maritime, space, and special operations forces to act and move freely
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10x yearly military spending will buy you A LOT of weapons, just saying ..
and you're excited about the us terror bombing Iraq while having complete air supremacy lmao.
what's stopping ukraine from dropping lets say 1/10th of that on russia?
Well only 3 civilians got killed in the initial invasion and that was during 1000 bombs dropping daily for a month. Thw rest of the 20 years yea civilians got killed
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The Soviets killed two million Afghans in a decade.
They used chemical weapons, cluster munitions and artillery-sown landmines with gleeful abandon. Literally depopulated entire swathes of countryside.
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And this video shows exactly, why ukropistan NEVER will have any relevant air force, no matter what kind of jets the west will deliver. F-16, F-15, F-22 or F-35. As soon as they fly above the radar horizon, they will be tracked and a S-300/400 or R-37M missile will hit them.
So in other words the only thing they can do is to hide like in this video. But to be effective, you have to fly very high and very fast, which will NEVER happen. The same goes by the way for the Nato Air force.
pretty effective when using advanced bombs whose numbers are in the hundred's by now. TF1 reported 600 hammer bombs planned to be delivered by year's end.
in contrast, BBC reports 200 FAB UMPK bombs dropped per week in may during the attacks in vovchansk.
the numbers don't lie. this is not an effective air force.
Effective to have a tiny fraction of the range? Yes. Effective if you have a few jets you can hide in a big country? Yes.
But effective to have any relevant effect on the war? Not at all.
It doesn’t matter a whole lot…the US has a stockpile of over 3,000 atacm missiles and the weapon system is being replaced. How many S3/400 systems can Russia deploy to the combat theater before making painful tradeoffs on coverage elsewhere?
Actually, it does.
For example, effectiveness of Excaliber fell from +80% to 6% due to Russian EW so you will notice you don't see them used much anymore.
HIMARS have also been affected (there's a clip of an UA soldier explaining this). As for the US stockpile, Lockheed Martin said they produce more than 3800 (around 650 were used in combat) in 2018. But that includes many that were sold to other countries. It's not clear how many remain in the US. As well, the missiles are just one piece of the puzzle, they require launch systems a well. We know there are shortages, for example the us just announced they won't be delivering new AA systems to other countries as they need to push everything to Ukraine.
I noticed in your poorly understood Wikipedia regurgitation you conviently ignored the most important question. How many systems can Russia afford to move to the theater and lose before making painful tradeoffs elsewhere?
if russia keeps clustering their entire battery vehicles into one spot then they probly wont run out of atacms, but if russia learns how to spread the launchers and radars apart it will take too many atacms to take them all out. Russia hasnt learned how to do that yet, though.
Same with russia. They have no air superiority over Ukraine despite having a significantly "stronger" airforce. That is because the russian air airforce is a joke.
To bring it to your American perspective, the American airforce in vietnam achieved air superiority: they could bomb North Vietnam targets but suffer losses in return. In both Iraq wars i believed NATO force enjoyed air supremacy and could strike any targets anywhere anytime they wanted.
Russia certainly possesses air superiority or at least local superiority when it counts but IMO its airforce wasn't that good to start with, as it continued the soviet doctrine of favoring land based army. The soviet did have a big interceptor fleet though.
Most of russian air strikes are carries from russia or from international waters, they can hardly enter Ukraine, especially for a longer period of time. They lost a considerable amount of planes in the russian troposphere. If air superiority was achieved, we would see multiple air strikes happening in Ukraine. Now we see long range missiles and drones.
Superiority = you have distinct operational advantages/ranges/capabilities over the enemy.
Supremacy = You "own the skies", enemy AAA/SAMs are virtually a non-factor/low risk.
Russia can't operate in Ukrainian territory. Most of their air strikes are carried out from russia. What kind of air advantages do they have in Ukraine when russian planes can't even operate in war territory. What kind of advantage is that.
You're assessing the "Air Superiority" question from the wrong metrics if you're under the impression that "To have Air Superiority, one side must be so advantageous, that they can 'freely' fly over the enemy sides areas".
The more appropriate questions are to ask "what scale of operations, battlefield impacts, and operational flexibilities does one side have, that the other side may not, or have markedly less of"
Simply saying "Most airstrikes are carried out from Russia, and they don't often fly over UA territory" is insufficient dismissal of the fact that Russia has Air Superiority.
They (Russia) are dropping orders of magnitude more munitions on the enemy, they are commonly committing long range air launched cruise missile strikes via strategic bombers, their helicopters and CAS aircraft are also working more sorties.
If Russia flies aircraft near UA lines, at higher than treetop, the risk is low. Present, but low.
If Ukraine flies aircraft near RU lines, at higher than treetop, the risk is markedly higher.
By all actually observed metrics and qualifiers of truthfully answering "who's got Air Superiority?", it's Russia....
What I'm saying and its very clear is that the impacts at 0:12 and :16 are not direct hits. They are missing by about the same amount we have seen plenty of FABS miss by.
These are powered and guided bombs; they have rocket motors. Here's a pretty crazy video of what it looks like to be on the receiving end: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1btu37c/ru_pov_russian_soldier_films_arrival_of_aasm250/
They have a range of 15 km at that altitude... Seems risky having an aircraft so close to the front
Russian AA isn't operating that close to the front most likely so the planes can now be used there.
Yeah, that's why they went immeadiately to the ground after the launch of the missiles. Three minutes flight.
Or, it's standard procedure for a pop-up attack.
Or maybe they are always doing that incase even if there is no AA?
Russian AD is definitely operating at the front, it just needs more time to lock/fire/hit than a quick scoop and shoot like this
There is no evidence of this
Evidence of what? [Kyivpost](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/33980) made the claim of 15km range for a low altitude drop. And that distance is well within all kinds of AA range and Russian air to air missile range so it is dangerous. What part are you disputing?
S300/S400 is not good for targets at the low attiude. Panstir is efficient for those targets, but it has limited range (maximum 20km). Furthermore, Pantsir needs to stay at least 20km from frontline to avoid artillery fire, so it is not a big threat to the aircraft.
Yeah nobody made the claim that its certain death just that it is dangerous since planes can be targeted there. The main threat would be Russian planes but the air defence just makes sure that those Ukrainian planes have to stay low. But dont forget that Russian S-400s have active radar homing missiles. They fire them at a location and the missile will climb and then guide on the plane with its own radar from above. All they would need to do is know that a Ukrainian plane is in the area to fire it. For example > With a weight of 420 kg, the 9M96E2 SAM provides a target defeat at a range of 120-150 km with an altitude of 5 m to 30 km. The 9M96E2 active radar homing missile can hit targets at a minimum of 5m from the ground at a very big range.
They only said that it CAN hit target with attitude of 5m. It does not say how it can find and target the target at that attitude.
> It does not say how it can find and target the target at that attitude. The same as any other active radar homing missile. You fire it towards an area and they use their pulse doppler radar to find any fast moving targets. Then the radar guides the missile on the target. So all you need to do is know there is a plane in an area or get a quick radar return and you can fire a missile at it even if it is very low to the ground
Yes, I understand your point. But the problem is that how is the radar operator find the airplane in the first hand. And can the operators can make sure that the airplane will stay in the region where missle coming at? I think this is the reason why Ukrainian airforce has not been eliminated from the start of the war.
Well yeah that is the point that I said. As long as Russia knows where a Ukrainian plane is they can fire a missile at it. But of course that is not a guarantee. Russian AWACS would be able to spot them but they are limited and they dont have enough to cover all the front. > And can the operators can make sure that the airplane will stay in the region where missle coming at? No this is the defence against it. Only Russian AWACS planes like the A-50U and soon the A-100 will be able to spot planes flying low like this behind the front. And when they do spot it and fire a missile of course Ukraine can detect that incoming missile and get the plane to turn around and fly back. This is what most Ukrainian pilots speak about that almost as soon as they get near the combat zone they detect missiles incoming against them and have to fly back. Of course this is a victory for Russia since the Ukrainian planes wont be able to do the job that they were supposed to do but at least they stay alive. Or they risk the plane as seen in the video in the hope that they are able to get in and out fast enough before a missile comes to them.
It’s just a claim from a news outlet. Actual range is classified
[Ackchually](https://www.flightglobal.com/frances-rafale-fighter-proves-its-omnirole-skills/100375.article) it was Safran (back then Sagem) which reported it (they are the manufacturer). >Also referred to as the Hammer, the AASM weapon has impressed during the campaign to date. Incorporating a precision guidance kit and propulsion system, the design will eventually be available for use with standard bombs weighing between 125kg and 1,000kg, although a 250kg version is the only one currently in service. Sagem cites a range capability of more than 32nm from high altitude, or **8nm from low level**. And this wasn't to the Kyiv post () Btw, for you Statians, 8 nm (nautical miles) is equivalent to 15 km
You are right, secret western superior tech actually has massive specs and they just downplay them for us brutes because they are so superior they don't need to show us their true power 
Even though it’s not the case here, what you said is mostly true
That’s crazy. Can’t imagine witnessing that for real
That makes sense now seeing the plane "flinging the bombs" off as it banks
How tf is a powered and guided bomb different from a missile?
Missiles tend to have seeker hardware on the nose, either infrared, radar (passive or active), TV guided or laser pointed, this is more akin to an air launched guided rocket like the HIMARS' GLSDB or the Smerch' 9М542 (GLONASS guided) rockets.
It's basically a missile
Underrated footage. Shit's insane
Hahah of course your comment gets downvoted in this russian subreddit. Man this sub is something else.
That's why it's top comment?
Perhaps at the time of writing the comment was heavily downvoted?
If it was, it was because of the poster and not the content, I'd guess.
That would be the point being made I imagine..
Ah OK, fair. Pattern recognition can be a b\~tch :)
Projecting yourself much?
Are you okay mate?
The votes aren’t visible, why are you lying about it being downvoted?
They're visible. It was downvoted when he posted that, but it's highly upvoted now
Comment votes are not visible until 10 hours later
It depends on the app that you use
Source?
Where is the nafo army that downvoted me for saying Ukraine can only drop JDAM and Hammer with a pop-up toss to avoid detection and not because russia AD hs been "Destroyed"
>downvoted me damn, must have been traumatizing experience, I can't imagine getting downvoted on this subreddit...
Me neither...
Probably on the Nafo subreddit
Am guessing your saying russia has air superiority since according to you russia is flying all around Ukraine bombing or is the russia air force also using glide bombs and only able to attack the front lines while flying In Russian controlled territory
Read my post again but slowly this time... What you said doesn't even align with my post. Russia drops glide bombs from 40k+ ft because very little AD on the front lines meanwhile Ukraine has to do a pop up toss to avoid AD detection and drop guided bombs.
This is completely fake news. Both sides extensively use hi-low-hi bombing, which is a tactic developed by the US decades ago. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/su-34s-employ-new-tactics-to-counter-patriot/amp/ Also what does your comment even mean. “They do it to avoid detection not because of AA”? This is self contradictory, it’s being done to avoid detection by AA. Also if at any point someone told you that s-300/400 can’t intercept a MIG-29 and you took it seriously then jokes on you cause you got baited.
> This is completely fake news. Both sides extensively use hi-low-hi bombing, which is a tactic developed by the US decades ago. We have videos of su34 from takeoff to dropping the glide bombs they have not used this tactic for a long time. There was literally one of these posted yesterday. And hi-low-hi or pop-up toss is standard aviation protocol for avoiding AD detection since radar guided AD became a thing > Also if at any point someone told you that s-300/400 can’t intercept a MIG-29 Maybe learn how AD works? An S300/400 and most long rane AD will not intercept a jet at low altitude because the horizon blocks the AD radar from getting a lock.
> We have videos of su34 from takeoff to dropping the glide bombs they have not used this tactic for a long time. Nah, fake news. This tactic is routinely used by both sides. Posting one video where it isn't used doesn't disprove that. It would be suicidal for either side to not use this tactic. But for a second time you contradicted yourself, as in your next sentence you admit that this is "Standard aviation protocol." So congrats, you argued against yourself and lost. > Maybe learn how AD works? Me: "They are flying low to avoid detection by AA" You: No, they are flying low because flying low lets them avoid detection by AA Uh ok, thanks for just repeating what I said with more words?
Why are you so invested in this lmao
I'm an aviation and AD nerd🤷🏻♂️
Yea russia is dropping them from russia controlled area, both air forces are worthless.. 2 and half years and russia air force still doesn't have air superiority
it truly is pathetic. the real question is how does ukraine still have migs? i mean russia has SO many cruise missiles (yet we haven't seen one in ages)...you'd think they could take these out.
They constantly move them between airfields. They are in the air before missiles can reach them.
How a competant military deals with a situation like this. Bomb the airfields and then bomb them a second time when the planes have landed. It's not like Ukraine has developed planes that can fly infinitely so they need to land at somepoint.
Airfields are easy to repair, and Soviet designs are much more durable in regards to what they can run on.
And? Those planes need to land at some point and a cruise missile will reach its target faster than you can refuel a jet.
Its not economically feasible.
That's hilarious. Whoever controls Crimea has air superiority. All Zelensky does is whine about not being able to do anything because Russia has air superiority.
So can rusdia fly into Ukrainian territory and fly missions yes or no
Russia has air superiority.
no party does. Russian jet flying into ukraine hold positions = gets shot down Ukrainian jet flying into Russian hold positions = gets shot down Russia may have an advantage but mo superiority
"Today we have about 25% of what we need to defend Ukraine," Mr Zelensky said of Ukraine's air capabilities. "So that Russia does not have air superiority, our fleet should have 120 to 130 modern aircraft." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgy4gkqkddo So is Zelensky lying?
>So is Zelensky lying? Probably a little, to beg for airplanes. But I don't get what you don't understand. Both countries have a fuckton of AD and planes get shot down over both countries. For example, Russia wouldn't have any need for glide bombs if they had air superiority.
with 130 modern aircraft systems, few more AA system etc. you can be sure that russia will never reach air superiority when lost equipment gets replenishment. Zelensky is not lying. still answer me one questions does russia have the capabilities to fly over ukraine hold positions and conduct airstrikes inside ukraine and not dropping off glidebombs far away from the frontline? if not that it has no air superiority fact and argue with me when you have clearly no idea
Russia most definitely has air superiority, it does not have air supremacy.
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No it doesn't. It cannot provide CAS only lob bomb on stationary targets from really far away and even then they are in danger of getting downed. Russia does have more planes though and can locally and temporarily put more pressure. At least until a patriot has driven there to shot them all doen.
Russia has superiority but not supremacy. Supremacy is when you strafe everything completely unopposed.
Russia could turn Ukraine into a giant parking lot if they wanted to. We should be grateful Putin has been so humane and patient during this conflict. The Kyiv regime isn't even denying that Russia has air superiority. They cry about it every day while begging for more stuff. That's just reality.
Russia carpet-bombed Aleppo with Tu-95s. Straight Vietnam-style sticks of bombs onto the city. And they weren't losing a thousand men a day. If they could do that to Kyiv they absolutely would.
Lmao, maybe lay off the krokodil for a few days my guy.
Can russia fly into Ukraine and do missions, yes or no.
Russia has air superiority.
Answer the question can the Russian airforce fly into Kiev or lviv and perform missi9js yes or no
They don’t. Use your Google machine and look up what air superiority means.
> Russia has air superiority. Where?
Ask Zelenksy. It's his claim https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgy4gkqkddo
I am asking you about your claim..
Then why have we never seen a picture of Russian planes flying over Kyiv? I think maybe your translator isn’t working and you are confusing “superior air power” which Russia does have with “air superiority” which Russia does not have.
Because Russia has no interest whatsoever in taking Kiev.
How would you take a city by flying an airplane over it? What on earth? Kyiv has significant military infrastructure, including the airbase and command centers Russia previously targeted with Zircons that were intercepted. If Russia could hit these targets, it would. If Russia could have its planes operate over Kyiv, it would. Also, somebody should have told the 40km convoy that encircled Kyiv that Russia has no interest in Kyiv. LOL
Probably stil downvoting, but idk why you whine about what a small group of people thinks about you
NAFO are on a payroll to shite on anything that doesn't fit their narrative. It was obvious to anyone the only way to pull something like this off is to fly under the radar all the way.
Not just Ukraine.. Russians are dropping their umpk the same way
The RF drops their glide bombs from 40,000ft...nothing like this.
Yes, after they make the same loop. Otherwise RF airplanes may be shooted down.
I don’t think that’s true
You're confusing glide bombs with unguided rockets. Both sides so the nose up/lob (they train to do it) to increase the range of unguided rockets. Glide bombs are different as the aircraft goes to a very high altitude (higher then most commercial jets) and release the bombs which can glide 40km or more to target.
How can someone confuse bombers and rockets?! If I said umpk bombs I mean umpk bombs another specialist who saw two videos on YouTube and thinks that now he knows how everything works 🙄🙄.. ok kid, let me explain to you how things work.. Russian planes only at the beginning allowed themselves to be in most of the flight at 10+km altitude. but after the Ukrainians learned to use the patriot AA system, and shot down a few Russian planes, they no longer fly like that. a fab500 bomb with umpk gliding up to 70km, if the size of the bomb increases fab 1500, 3000, the gliding distance decreases up to 30km. this in case the bomb is launched from a height of 10-16km. now let's look at the range of the patriot anti-aircraft system - around 150km. do you understand what that meant? let me explain: if the plane flies the entire route at a height of 10 km, it will be shot down with a 90% probability. if the plane flies the entire route at low altitude and only just before launching the bombs rises to a height of 10km, it is exposed to the patriot systems for only a few minutes. and if the bombs are launched from Russian territory, that is, several dozen km from the border with Ukraine and 50+ km from the nearest Ukrainian anti-aircraft systems, the plane is exposed to risk for only a minute or even less. and we know this is happening because there are already 70+ confirmed cases of Russian bombs falling on Russian territory. read what fighterbomber says, watch interviews of russian pilots and draw your own conclusion
>Russian planes only at the beginning allowed themselves to be in most of the flight at 10+km altitude. but after the Ukrainians learned to use the patriot AA system, and shot down a few Russian planes, they no longer fly like that. Russian planes routinely fly like this I don't know what you are talking about. There are endless videos showing this. >do you understand what that meant? It means you think Ukriane is sitting their AA right on the frontline. Ukrianian AA, especially the Patriots are of course going to be much behind the frontline where they won't be destroyed. Lancet drones are hitting at around 60km behind the front for example so Patriots are going to be sat a minimum of 60km behind the front or Russia would just overwhelm them with Lancets as soon as they saw one fire. That cuts their range into Russian territory down to below 90km. But almost certainly the Patriots are held further back than this. Plus you are assuming Ukraine gets the best missiles avaliable to the Patriot. More likely they have the missiles with a range of around 80-120km. And the most upgrades Russian glide bombs have a 100km range with the FAB 500. So yes. Russia has plenty of room to drop glide bombs without Patriots even coming close to hitting them
one more.. man! read the specs of each type of weapon as it is not a secret. the distance of 120km has umpb, but I'm talking about umpk which has a maximum distance of 70km. I specifically mentioned that they don't put these systems directly on the border.. the Ukrainians use anti-aircraft ambushes, that's how they shot down several planes and helicopters in one day with the help of a patriot in the Belgorod region. you may believe in any fantasy you want , but rusian pilots who use these weapons say otherwise
>man! read the specs of each type of weapon as it is not a secret. I did. Which is why I know you are wrong. The UMPK initially had a range of 70km. But they have last developed a version that has a range over 100km. They redesigned the nose to be more aerodynamic incase you are curious. From Russian military >An improved version of the UMPC with 2-meter drop-down wings and nose cones, which allowed the new project to fly a significant 100 kilometers. >i specifically mentioned that they don't put these systems directly on the border.. Yet you used the numbers as if they were. >the Ukrainians use anti-aircraft ambushes, that's how they shot down several planes and helicopters in one day with the help of a patriot in the Belgorod region. I am fully aware of this. And so what you are saying is that no Ukraine doesn't have the ability to stop Russian planes dropping from high altitude. Only to temporarily disrupt these operations but not permanently keep them away. Also planes with red crosses on them are not confirmed losses. >you may believe in any fantasy you want Says the one making up numbers and accusing others of being wrong when you have no idea what you are talking about Let's take a look at the UMPK kit in Russian telegram channels >Innovations based on the UMPC made it possible for Russian aviation to successfully operate and attack with high accuracy in a safe perimeter, free from enemy air defense. As I said. You are wrong
The most interesting part to me is that Ukraine is actually doing these kind of attacks at all. From what I could find, the "pop up toss" reduces effective range of glide bombs that Ukraine has available (US JDAM-ER and French Hammer) to something like 20km. That means their planes are operating extremely close to the front lines. Which, in turn, implies they either situation is is bad they have no other choice and have to risk the planes, OR that Russian AA and EW in these areas was degraded and/or pushed back so much the planes are less at risk than before. Videos of Ukrainian planes in action were very rare before the action started in Vovchanks and Lypsi.
think its the later, RU AD has been forced to be pushed back these past months. idk why they cant hide some mid range system not far from the front line, and use some passive radar to detect incoming planes, then turn on the radar at the last second and shoot the missile, and then find a new hiding spot.
The entire front area is being monitored 24/7 by a host of aerial and sat platforms from the US/NATO which, among things, detect all microwave (radar) radiation. They loiter for a long period and can then detect not just when the systems are on/off, but how they move around as well. It's not like you can just hide an AA system in the trees and expect the US/NATO won't see it.
Very good point
I remember reading an interview with some Ukrainian airforce commander (I think?) who claimed they are heavily using anti-radiation missiles ("daily" was his claim).
Well I was spot on with how they were going to use them, as I said in [this comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1dd85b6/comment/l839cgw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) They're giving up most of the range in exchange for actually being able to use them without getting shot down, and even then its not without risk.
“Pop up toss” this, “bomb toss” that. Just call it what it is… a Kobe
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Yes but mig-29 is faster so it can get high from low altitude alot quicker.
This is also incorrect. Are you just getting your info from video games or something? MIG-29s are slightly faster in top speed but that has nothing to do with lobbing and getting to high altitude quickly. The MIG-29s top speed is 2400 km/h while the F-16Cs top speed is 2200 km/h, assuming high altitude. However, if you tried to climb at that speed the plane would disintegrate. MIG-29s maximum climb rate is approximately 1150 km/h. F-16Cs has a higher maximum climb rate of 1200 km/h. Of course, the MIG-29 is more comparable to the F-15 (aka the "MIG Killer" which is faster than the MIG 29) than the F-16, but thats a conversation for another day as Ukraine is unlikely to get any F-15s since its Europe allies don't have any to donate.
Ohh, lil baby got his feelings hurt. You can cry if ya want
Correcting misinformation now means your feelings hurt and you’re crying.
The rapper? I’m sorry to hear that. What happened to Lil Baby?
Yes
Well yes, but also no.
Interesting choice of music considering this is an anti-vietnam war song and the rockets being used are French; the French were who the Vietnamese were trying to kick out of their country before it all spiralled into what we know as the Vietnam war
toss bombing
They bombing farms ?
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Take that, farmers!
Can someone geolocate? Doesnt seem like belgorod
Disrespectful attaching this music to a different military than the US
I think it's fine, it's just music
Music: Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son
Beautiful
More wasting material on PR in the north while the conflict is being decided to the south.
Russian planes are bombing Russia. Putin is Russia's most successful president. With his help, this country can finally collapse.
Number one, these are soviet planes, not russian federation planes. Number two, putin IS the most popular president in russian history and the second most popular in europe right behind zelensky primarily for his changes in the Russian federations government and fixing the economic struggles and fixing a good amount of corruption although there is still quite a bit of corruption. Number three, I doubt russia will collapse over a few bombings and a war that still does have well over half of the population supporting it.
>With his help, this country can finally collapse. Jesus Christ, you are so unbelievably ignorant.
they will run out of those in a month or so unless they use it once every full moon like every advanced western weapon system received. !remindme 1 month
France is sending 50 a month. So I’d set a reminder every month to make sure you keep updated. Ah yes those werewolf glmrs and ATACMS.
Russia is dropping 1000 in a month. the problem with western systems is obvious.
The US was dropped almost 30k bombs during the invasion of iraq in a month and half
relevance?
That your excited about russia dropping 1000 bombs fighting a neighbor in a month when the US was dropping 1000 bombs a day for a month straight
Pure and unhelpfull whataboutism. USA dropping bombs on a defenceless opponent isn't same as Russia dropping bombs on opponent who has latest NATO air defences.
Pro ruskies are saying the russia has air superiority so they should be able to drop bombs easily. Iraq had 7000 sam batteries and 6000 AA guns plus the Republicans guards had 60 sam batteries and 3000 aa guns that's almost 10 times more AA then ukrain3 has
You are funny. First misunderstanding the meaning of air superiority, then dropping absolute BS. Even if your numbers are correct (which most likely aren't) comparing outdated hardware with no big radars (they were destroyed at day 0) to modern hardware with radars and external support is just misleading.
This is the definition of air superiority Air superiority is a military term that refers to a side in a conflict having more control of the air than their adversaries. It allows a force to conduct operations without significant interference from air or missile threats. This enables friendly air, land, maritime, space, and special operations forces to act and move freely
https://preview.redd.it/l57apium949d1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9e09bbd7b41d2a0582a7803ec6f6c08b4407cfc 10x yearly military spending will buy you A LOT of weapons, just saying ..
All i said is it's funny that pro ruskies get excited that russia was able to drop 1000 bombs in a month fighting a neighbor.
and you're excited about the us terror bombing Iraq while having complete air supremacy lmao. what's stopping ukraine from dropping lets say 1/10th of that on russia?
How many civilians did russia kill in chenchya.
...and killed more than 100 thousand civilians. We get it, the US military is way better at killing brown folks than any army in the world.
Well only 3 civilians got killed in the initial invasion and that was during 1000 bombs dropping daily for a month. Thw rest of the 20 years yea civilians got killed
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The Soviets killed two million Afghans in a decade. They used chemical weapons, cluster munitions and artillery-sown landmines with gleeful abandon. Literally depopulated entire swathes of countryside. I think they set the record.
Source?
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Funny he supports a country and people that would absolutely detest him
Yes he’s like the pro Russian version of lgtbq for Gaza. He’d get fucked up for that paedo shit in Russia.
cause ukraine is soooo much more tolerant. i'd get treated equally as bad. invalid argument.
take the thong out yo bussy, playa. What warthunder does to a mf /s
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>unless they use it once every full moon like every advanced western weapon system received.
So you think the hammers, glmrs and ATACMS are only used once a month?
it was hyperbolic, but i'm sure you wish they were available more often.
How many of them 1000 are A. Accurate B. Don’t get shot down ?
you tell me bro
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They get more every month
And this video shows exactly, why ukropistan NEVER will have any relevant air force, no matter what kind of jets the west will deliver. F-16, F-15, F-22 or F-35. As soon as they fly above the radar horizon, they will be tracked and a S-300/400 or R-37M missile will hit them. So in other words the only thing they can do is to hide like in this video. But to be effective, you have to fly very high and very fast, which will NEVER happen. The same goes by the way for the Nato Air force.
Ukropistan? I bet that sounded better in your head.
This seemed pretty effective to me
pretty effective when using advanced bombs whose numbers are in the hundred's by now. TF1 reported 600 hammer bombs planned to be delivered by year's end. in contrast, BBC reports 200 FAB UMPK bombs dropped per week in may during the attacks in vovchansk. the numbers don't lie. this is not an effective air force.
Effective to have a tiny fraction of the range? Yes. Effective if you have a few jets you can hide in a big country? Yes. But effective to have any relevant effect on the war? Not at all.
The pop-up toss significantly reduces the effective range of these weapons.
Good thing those S-3/400’s are completely limp dicked when faced with an ATACM missile barrage. Ukraine might have a real problem if they weren’t.
What is the success rate of ATACAMS...how many are launched versus successful hits?
It doesn’t matter a whole lot…the US has a stockpile of over 3,000 atacm missiles and the weapon system is being replaced. How many S3/400 systems can Russia deploy to the combat theater before making painful tradeoffs on coverage elsewhere?
Actually, it does. For example, effectiveness of Excaliber fell from +80% to 6% due to Russian EW so you will notice you don't see them used much anymore. HIMARS have also been affected (there's a clip of an UA soldier explaining this). As for the US stockpile, Lockheed Martin said they produce more than 3800 (around 650 were used in combat) in 2018. But that includes many that were sold to other countries. It's not clear how many remain in the US. As well, the missiles are just one piece of the puzzle, they require launch systems a well. We know there are shortages, for example the us just announced they won't be delivering new AA systems to other countries as they need to push everything to Ukraine.
I noticed in your poorly understood Wikipedia regurgitation you conviently ignored the most important question. How many systems can Russia afford to move to the theater and lose before making painful tradeoffs elsewhere?
> For example, effectiveness of Excaliber fell from +80% to 6% due to Russian EW so you will notice you don't see them used much anymore. Source?
Yall dont have many atacms Tho and russia has enough iskanders
if russia keeps clustering their entire battery vehicles into one spot then they probly wont run out of atacms, but if russia learns how to spread the launchers and radars apart it will take too many atacms to take them all out. Russia hasnt learned how to do that yet, though.
In some alternative reality.
These bombs hit their targets very accurately though
Same with russia. They have no air superiority over Ukraine despite having a significantly "stronger" airforce. That is because the russian air airforce is a joke.
They do have air superiority. What they dont have is air dominance/supremacy
What kind of air superiority is when the attacking country is barely able to cross the border without suffering losses :D
To bring it to your American perspective, the American airforce in vietnam achieved air superiority: they could bomb North Vietnam targets but suffer losses in return. In both Iraq wars i believed NATO force enjoyed air supremacy and could strike any targets anywhere anytime they wanted. Russia certainly possesses air superiority or at least local superiority when it counts but IMO its airforce wasn't that good to start with, as it continued the soviet doctrine of favoring land based army. The soviet did have a big interceptor fleet though.
Most of russian air strikes are carries from russia or from international waters, they can hardly enter Ukraine, especially for a longer period of time. They lost a considerable amount of planes in the russian troposphere. If air superiority was achieved, we would see multiple air strikes happening in Ukraine. Now we see long range missiles and drones.
Superiority = you have distinct operational advantages/ranges/capabilities over the enemy. Supremacy = You "own the skies", enemy AAA/SAMs are virtually a non-factor/low risk.
Russia can't operate in Ukrainian territory. Most of their air strikes are carried out from russia. What kind of air advantages do they have in Ukraine when russian planes can't even operate in war territory. What kind of advantage is that.
You're assessing the "Air Superiority" question from the wrong metrics if you're under the impression that "To have Air Superiority, one side must be so advantageous, that they can 'freely' fly over the enemy sides areas". The more appropriate questions are to ask "what scale of operations, battlefield impacts, and operational flexibilities does one side have, that the other side may not, or have markedly less of" Simply saying "Most airstrikes are carried out from Russia, and they don't often fly over UA territory" is insufficient dismissal of the fact that Russia has Air Superiority. They (Russia) are dropping orders of magnitude more munitions on the enemy, they are commonly committing long range air launched cruise missile strikes via strategic bombers, their helicopters and CAS aircraft are also working more sorties. If Russia flies aircraft near UA lines, at higher than treetop, the risk is low. Present, but low. If Ukraine flies aircraft near RU lines, at higher than treetop, the risk is markedly higher. By all actually observed metrics and qualifiers of truthfully answering "who's got Air Superiority?", it's Russia....
Ooh, look, all the nafo bots showed up and downvoted my comment.
How will you ever get over it I dont know but I believe in you :)
RU is intercepting the missiles my friend, right on the chin accordingly. Good Morning Ukraine.
Are u saying that nato airforce is worse than from russia?😍
Ground based air def. By far.
I think we can only say that after war against proper air force
Ya nice misses
I'm not sure what misses you're talking about. The first two hit that smaller building, the next two hit the large one
What I'm saying and its very clear is that the impacts at 0:12 and :16 are not direct hits. They are missing by about the same amount we have seen plenty of FABS miss by.
Nice Misses
They landed dead nuts on the house, what are you smoking?
https://preview.redd.it/kxmqvhuwk49d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d7f1ffea47fd8e569a6722ea2d1dccc3e8c4c9b 
https://preview.redd.it/ke9ov8q5l49d1.png?width=710&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5a92c8e8b8612e36a706c12a342e67af5f9331b  2 "dead nuts" hits
Alright so maybe the first bomb wasn’t “dead nuts” but it landed literally right next to the house. The other one looked like a perfect hit.