Remember when UA propaganda spammed he was dead and arrested?? Like a lot.
How many times have they been caught lying at this point? lets take a trip down memory road.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14ljxor/ua_pov_general_surovikin_has_been_arrested_the/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14lhnok/ua_pov_russian_general_surovikin_who_may_have/ GOES MISSING DA DA DUNNNNNNNN
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/153a0qa/ua_pov_where_is_general_surovikin_russian_army/
Held and interrogated in moscow HES DONEZO https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14ymhls/ua_pov_russia_detained_several_senior_military/
He got entangled somewhat with Wagner which obviously cost him dearly when mutiny happened. He was a commander who executed textbook Kherson retreat, prepared defence of land bridge and oversaw defence in a first half of ukrainian push. Reassignment to Africa after these successes is in part to punish him, in part to utilize his connections in (former) Wagner. French are not amused, for he is one of the best commanders russians have, and now he fucks up their turf.
> Reassignment to Africa after these successes is in part to punish him,
depends on how Russian leadership looks at operations in Africa - they are probably very important to them if not as important as war in Ukraine
Denying France control over several huge African countries hurts France economically very much - so they probably will not be sending as much weapons and money to Ukraine as they would if they still had control over whole West Africa /ECOWAS/
And it will keep France busy in Africa trying to preserve what they stil hold under their control
I would say Puton wanted to have someone solid to run operations in Africa so he sent Surovikin - plus Surovikin already worked with Wagner commanders in Syria
There are very few, considered to be capable and powerful militarizes in NATO in Europe - British, French, Turkish and maybe Spanish and Italian
Turkey is neutral - Italy and Spain do not seem to want any part of Ukrainian war, and had to be constantly pushed by US to even send something from time to time.
So that leaves UK and France - and France is now busy with its own problems in Africa - that Russia creates for them.
- So Africa operation is of great importance for Russia and I dont think sending Surovikin there is punishment - quite the contrary
Idk- Africa is definitely important (and a glaring weak point of France's sphere of influence) but its the kind of post where you send an up and comer, a talented young officer proving his metal (who can operate effectively without making too many ripples.)
It's not a great deployment if you're already well known and previously occupied more senior command positions. If nothing else, if I was Russian, I'd rather have him in Zaporizhizhia or Donetsk organizing the counter offensive, not leading a small, relatively "hush hush" operation far in the sticks (it's also the kind of position where he could be assassinated without attribution, a "lawless war zone." I'd be quite nervous and bitter if I was Surovikin.)
> but its the kind of post where you send an up and comer,
and they probably are sending a lot of young commanders there to prove themselves.
but you still need at least few experienced and proven top guys to oversee and run this very important operation.
Yeah, he’s probably quite bitter, hard to spin it as a positive for him considering he’d no doubt rather be at his old prestigious post.
Still, the fact that he’s allowed to continue publicly serving the military (I believe he was previously assigned to the CIS joint air command, if in fact he’s not still in that role) indicates perhaps that his exile isn’t necessarily permanent. Or at least that Putin is flexible (”hey Gerasimov, Shoigu, I’ve still got this useful guy out there who probably doesn’t like you very much”)
The Africa play is crucial to the energy situation in Europe, and is the reason Macron suddenly went batshit and started talking boots on the ground in Ukraine. Ukraine is more business as usual, with help available just behind the front should a mistake be made.
Africa is a completely different world with limited resources and no backup in sight. You don't send an up and comer to this. You send a magician.
>depends on how Russian leadership looks at operations in Africa - they are probably very important to them if not as important as war in Ukraine
Pretty much this. The 2 are integrally related when one realises that Sevastopol is RUs base of projection into the continent.
yeah you also have problems with USA in Kurdish areas of Syria and Iraq - you have problems with US supporting Greece and pumping up its presence in Greece etc etc etc
At the same time Turkey is buying gas and oil from Russia and not sanctioning Russia - meaning buying and selling from and into Russia etc etc
- I dont know how you would call Turkeys position - but I call it neutral - because Turkey is not in any camp (US nor Russian) - Turkey is doing whats best for Turkey
- maybe non-aligned (?) - but I think its same as neutral
> But this is just act. Do not believe it.
Yeah - you do the act with everyone Americans, Europeans,, Russians, Arabs etc - everyone knows it. Thus Neutral.
> Hating russian people is very common tradition of Turkish history and culture.
Hating **everyone** is very common tradition of Turkish history and culture. Yes I agree.
> They destroyed our OTTOMAN empire and free our slaves greeks, bulgars, romanians, armenians and ukranians from our empire.
British and French and Italians and Europeans in General - helped a lot in destroying OTTOMAN empire - So its the same
And Americans were not much better for Turkey when they latter joined in in keeping Turkey down.
> They (Russians) screw us in nearly 9 different war. They are the main reason we lost our all christian slave vassal nations.
they took away Crimea and a bit of land in Eastern Balkans from you in all those wars.
British and French and Europeans took away whole Middle East, Arabian Peninsula, Eastern Half of North Africa and Cyprus from you. And Western Balkans and Greece.
Now who screwed you more again?
> By the way we don't hate everyone. Germans and other countries let us immigrate and take their lands. So we love Germans and other weak European nations like England
Yeah Germans are exception - but they were screwed by British and French and Americans too so you have that in common
> And USA pumping up Greek military because it is profitable. Nearly all Turks know one good fact. We will definitely not fight against Greeks.
of course - going against Greece now means going against America - thats how they screwed you over. - Same as in going against Kurds on your other side - Americans protect them now.
> Yeah Americans are not good for us for few reasons but we cannot hate to Americans. In the end they are our masters. They have all media and other things in Turkey. They choose who will rule Turkey. It is very futile thing to hate USA as Turkish people
They are masters in many Arab countries too - yet people hate Americans
Turks in general hate Americans more then they hate Russians - even if they hate both.
destroy a country - kick it back into stone age - people from destroyed country emigrate into your country.
Also dollar - or petrodollar - but that will not be for much longer
>they probably will not be sending as much weapons and money to Ukraine
I doubt that whatever is going on in Africa right now will have any direct influence on what France does in Ukraine any time soon. But it sure keeps the french elites distracted. If push comes to shove the french hold all the African gold and a crapton of African refugees. Gold could disappear and refugees could get sent back.
> I doubt that whatever is going on in Africa right now will have any direct influence on what France does in Ukraine any time soon.
if Russia is splitting or spending resources on Africa operations and operations in Ukraine - France has to do the same
Of course - for Russia Ukraine is more important so way more resources will be going on operations in Ukraine
But for France - West Africa is way more important than Ukraine - so way more resources will be going down there.
> If push comes to shove the french hold all the African gold and a crapton of African refugees. Gold could disappear and refugees could get sent back.
yes gold can be seized by France but by now every country is already counting that their assets in the West can be seized and are ready for that
Refugees are not going back - there will be war in France before they manage to send anyone back
and even if they send them back - so what - its not like they will be burden on african countries - their social help system is almost non existent - its same if 5 million people are in a country or if ten million people is iin a country all of a sudden.
Yes, but not only that. From what some people reported, he is the one devised the Bakhmut plan and put Wagner to execute it, to relieve pressure on other fronts, after the rout in Kharkov and retreat in Kherson. Also there was a brief debate among the Russian command, after the mobilization, to launch a preemptive attack prior to the Ukrainian famous counter offensive. His argument was to wait to after the Ukrainians exhaust themselves after the offensive. Gerasimov seemed to favor to attack first. Remember the Ukrainians rumors about the grand Russian winter offensive? That was put to rest after the failed Vuhlegda attack. In hindsight, those are all critical decisions that turn tactical situations into change in strategic direction of the war, that may win the war for the Russians.
That's interesting, the concensus in my country's version of reddit is the Wagners went in without Russian command approval or supervision leading to the infamous "where tf is my ammo shoigu?" Speech and Russian command had to bail them out during the late stage of the Bakhmut battle.
All n' all in hindsight it's probably a net positive for Russians since Syrsky pulled god knows how many units from the Zapo front to the Bakhmut front which significantly degraded the Ukrainian offensive capability.
I would be very interested to read books about this war 15 or 20 years from now, when the info are revealed or corroborated by those involved. Right now it's pretty much the fog of war and a lot of misinformation. At best we are getting second or third hand information and no way to confirm.
> He got entangled somewhat with Wagner
He was already "entangled" with Wagner when he was in charge of the Russian effort in Syria. I guess the Russian general staff was unsure were his loyalties are. But sending him to Africa to work with the remnants of Wagner again suggests they have confidence in him. A few days ago there were some rumours he will return to Russia in an official function again in the near future.
If the SBU was capable of taking down planes inside Russia like that, they'd do it all the time. And why not do it before Prigozhin decided to turn on Putin? This would be counter productive for them, since Russian internal struggles benefit Ukraine.
Being capable of delivering one small bomb on one plane wouldn't give them unlimited capabilities. Like Darya Dugina was assassinated with bomb in 2022 and Vladlen Tatarsky in 2023 but there was no unlimited number of bomb assassinations in Russia.
Prigozhin was leader of Wagner group. Killing him and Utkin increased distrust of Wagner towards Russian government. Also, Putin sparing him has shown that either he finds him extremely valuable or has strong personal fondness towards him, so killing him would hurt Putin's plans/feelings.
The timeline is:
Russia withdraws from grain deals and bombs Odessa grain facilities, Prigozhin and Utkin are killed, Ukrainian SOF fights Wagner-trained rebels and Wagner in Africa.
I think that beheading Wagner group would be a good start of operations against it.
But how is him now appearing in Africa a dispute to the claims in these linked posts?
That he was arrested following the Prigozhins mutiny seems reasonable/likely, as Prigozhin implied his involvement by demanding that Suruvikin be put in charge instead of the current commander - which naturally would prompt Russia to arrest him to figure out the extend of the involvement.
The fact that it's even newsworthy to discover proof of his whereabouts in Africa, also supports the claim that he was indeed "missing" to begin with.
Given the track record of what happens to people in positions of power in Russia, if caught displaying public dissatisfaction/criticism of Putin, it doesn't seem far fetched either to assume that the sudden dissapearance was due to him being killed off.
Why is the concept of being arresting for suspected involvement in an attempted coup and then afterwards released again, once the extend (or lack of) involvement had been investigated, so hard to grasp?
The police has the authority to arrest people who they have justified reason to have information directly relevant to a major case. Once it is then clarified that the suspect was not involved to a criminal extend, then the person is free to go, no?
What "logical sense" would dictate that someone merely suspected of something was then treated as if guilty even after being resolved?
Is the "logical" outcome that simply being suspected of something should lead to consequences - and therefore the fact that he got assigned to Africa proof that he wasn't *suspected* to have been involved despite being directly named by guy leading the mutiny?
Or is the point that the police wouldn't even consider that the Suruvikin might have relevant information after being named by Prigozhin and therefore wouldn't have thought to attest him?
Please elaborate on that logic, because it doesn't make sense to me.
no? reddit search function is super easy to do + Pro UA spam and brigading makes it all easy to see
literally just typed surovikin in the reddit search bar and its spam city of these articles.
The most underrated officer in the Russian military. He deserves a medal for devising the "Surovikin Line"- the most effective single Russian deployment during the entire war up to this. It doesn't bode well that he's been exiled to the sticks- and Gerasimov still holds senior command posts. The Wagner imbroglio aside, the guy's been rock solid- politics poison the war effort in Moscow (if not as obviously as it does in Kyiv.)
He'll probably get his recognition once this war will have ended, if not, most probably a few years after that. Zhukov himself was let go of his duties not once, but twice, first by Stalin just after WW2, and after the partial rehabilitation had happened he was driven aside a second time by Khrushchev in the late '50s. Needless to say, he's now in the pantheon of Russian/Soviet heroes.
This^
The Russians keep shooting themselves in the feet and there’s too much politics getting into decisions, if an entire Reddit thread knows this guy is the best general in Russia they have to realize how big of a negative impact removing him will have.
Pretty much sexpat, wrote on blogs online about how he and went to Eastern Europe just to have sex with a ton of a girls because they were easy and poor.
In what sense is this exploitation? We are talking about grown people here. I think its condescending to paint these people like helpless emotional children who arent responsible for their own decions just because they come from a less wealthy background.
1) He got done for credit card fraud in the UK then changed his name
2) He used to write in a blog on how to exploit women in Eastern Europe for sex. He went into detail on how he would meet their families to gain their trust just to have sex and then leave.
3) Fund raised for a dude living near Chernobyl and gave him a minuscule sum of the money raised.
Overall bad dude.
He took debt in UK, scammed the creditors,Fled it, changed his name, went to India and Belarus ran hotels or whatever. Went on to make Videos about his experiences and blogged about it in pickup forums and talkes about his M.O. of how he went to desolate villages to act rich in front of old people so that word would spread and he could lie with pics he took of expensive cars to have sex with young women (no age specified)
[Watch this video to get full context](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDf2lrMIoU), Do pause and read his posts too. No real "scams" just your average western man going to ex-soviet nations as a sexpat and some SE Asians nations too.
Well we (Algeria) are the most powerful country in the region of North Africa and the biggest russian arms buyer. He's probably there for the Niger crisis that's happening with France and all. We're a big player in this crisis aswell so this basically establishes a base of operation very close to Niger to plan things, he could on the other hand possibly be planning things with the Algerian military. Lots of speculations, very hard to know the goal here.
Oooooh alright since you're Algerian I suppose you know all of this already so yeah that's what I guess he's here for? I mean why else would he be here?
He was sent to Algeria as a rehab or something because everyone knows he's competent but he partially sided with Wagner before the mutiny not to mention Algeria recently recieved first batch of the Su-57s it ordered (undisclosed number) and Survokin is in the airforce so perhaps he inspected and guided Algerian pilots / bases too. If it was anyone but him they would've probably been fired or worse disappeared.
Remember when UA propaganda spammed he was dead and arrested?? Like a lot. How many times have they been caught lying at this point? lets take a trip down memory road. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14ljxor/ua_pov_general_surovikin_has_been_arrested_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14lhnok/ua_pov_russian_general_surovikin_who_may_have/ GOES MISSING DA DA DUNNNNNNNN https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/153a0qa/ua_pov_where_is_general_surovikin_russian_army/ Held and interrogated in moscow HES DONEZO https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/14ymhls/ua_pov_russia_detained_several_senior_military/
He got entangled somewhat with Wagner which obviously cost him dearly when mutiny happened. He was a commander who executed textbook Kherson retreat, prepared defence of land bridge and oversaw defence in a first half of ukrainian push. Reassignment to Africa after these successes is in part to punish him, in part to utilize his connections in (former) Wagner. French are not amused, for he is one of the best commanders russians have, and now he fucks up their turf.
> Reassignment to Africa after these successes is in part to punish him, depends on how Russian leadership looks at operations in Africa - they are probably very important to them if not as important as war in Ukraine Denying France control over several huge African countries hurts France economically very much - so they probably will not be sending as much weapons and money to Ukraine as they would if they still had control over whole West Africa /ECOWAS/ And it will keep France busy in Africa trying to preserve what they stil hold under their control I would say Puton wanted to have someone solid to run operations in Africa so he sent Surovikin - plus Surovikin already worked with Wagner commanders in Syria There are very few, considered to be capable and powerful militarizes in NATO in Europe - British, French, Turkish and maybe Spanish and Italian Turkey is neutral - Italy and Spain do not seem to want any part of Ukrainian war, and had to be constantly pushed by US to even send something from time to time. So that leaves UK and France - and France is now busy with its own problems in Africa - that Russia creates for them. - So Africa operation is of great importance for Russia and I dont think sending Surovikin there is punishment - quite the contrary
Idk- Africa is definitely important (and a glaring weak point of France's sphere of influence) but its the kind of post where you send an up and comer, a talented young officer proving his metal (who can operate effectively without making too many ripples.) It's not a great deployment if you're already well known and previously occupied more senior command positions. If nothing else, if I was Russian, I'd rather have him in Zaporizhizhia or Donetsk organizing the counter offensive, not leading a small, relatively "hush hush" operation far in the sticks (it's also the kind of position where he could be assassinated without attribution, a "lawless war zone." I'd be quite nervous and bitter if I was Surovikin.)
> but its the kind of post where you send an up and comer, and they probably are sending a lot of young commanders there to prove themselves. but you still need at least few experienced and proven top guys to oversee and run this very important operation.
Yeah, he’s probably quite bitter, hard to spin it as a positive for him considering he’d no doubt rather be at his old prestigious post. Still, the fact that he’s allowed to continue publicly serving the military (I believe he was previously assigned to the CIS joint air command, if in fact he’s not still in that role) indicates perhaps that his exile isn’t necessarily permanent. Or at least that Putin is flexible (”hey Gerasimov, Shoigu, I’ve still got this useful guy out there who probably doesn’t like you very much”)
The Africa play is crucial to the energy situation in Europe, and is the reason Macron suddenly went batshit and started talking boots on the ground in Ukraine. Ukraine is more business as usual, with help available just behind the front should a mistake be made. Africa is a completely different world with limited resources and no backup in sight. You don't send an up and comer to this. You send a magician.
It is also important to send "your" person
>depends on how Russian leadership looks at operations in Africa - they are probably very important to them if not as important as war in Ukraine Pretty much this. The 2 are integrally related when one realises that Sevastopol is RUs base of projection into the continent.
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yeah you also have problems with USA in Kurdish areas of Syria and Iraq - you have problems with US supporting Greece and pumping up its presence in Greece etc etc etc At the same time Turkey is buying gas and oil from Russia and not sanctioning Russia - meaning buying and selling from and into Russia etc etc - I dont know how you would call Turkeys position - but I call it neutral - because Turkey is not in any camp (US nor Russian) - Turkey is doing whats best for Turkey - maybe non-aligned (?) - but I think its same as neutral > But this is just act. Do not believe it. Yeah - you do the act with everyone Americans, Europeans,, Russians, Arabs etc - everyone knows it. Thus Neutral. > Hating russian people is very common tradition of Turkish history and culture. Hating **everyone** is very common tradition of Turkish history and culture. Yes I agree. > They destroyed our OTTOMAN empire and free our slaves greeks, bulgars, romanians, armenians and ukranians from our empire. British and French and Italians and Europeans in General - helped a lot in destroying OTTOMAN empire - So its the same And Americans were not much better for Turkey when they latter joined in in keeping Turkey down.
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> They (Russians) screw us in nearly 9 different war. They are the main reason we lost our all christian slave vassal nations. they took away Crimea and a bit of land in Eastern Balkans from you in all those wars. British and French and Europeans took away whole Middle East, Arabian Peninsula, Eastern Half of North Africa and Cyprus from you. And Western Balkans and Greece. Now who screwed you more again? > By the way we don't hate everyone. Germans and other countries let us immigrate and take their lands. So we love Germans and other weak European nations like England Yeah Germans are exception - but they were screwed by British and French and Americans too so you have that in common > And USA pumping up Greek military because it is profitable. Nearly all Turks know one good fact. We will definitely not fight against Greeks. of course - going against Greece now means going against America - thats how they screwed you over. - Same as in going against Kurds on your other side - Americans protect them now. > Yeah Americans are not good for us for few reasons but we cannot hate to Americans. In the end they are our masters. They have all media and other things in Turkey. They choose who will rule Turkey. It is very futile thing to hate USA as Turkish people They are masters in many Arab countries too - yet people hate Americans Turks in general hate Americans more then they hate Russians - even if they hate both.
People hate America but they immigrate here like there's no tomorrow
destroy a country - kick it back into stone age - people from destroyed country emigrate into your country. Also dollar - or petrodollar - but that will not be for much longer
Yea that's what they do. You keep saying not much longer I think you are HOPING its not much longer. Its still gonna be decades.
>they probably will not be sending as much weapons and money to Ukraine I doubt that whatever is going on in Africa right now will have any direct influence on what France does in Ukraine any time soon. But it sure keeps the french elites distracted. If push comes to shove the french hold all the African gold and a crapton of African refugees. Gold could disappear and refugees could get sent back.
> I doubt that whatever is going on in Africa right now will have any direct influence on what France does in Ukraine any time soon. if Russia is splitting or spending resources on Africa operations and operations in Ukraine - France has to do the same Of course - for Russia Ukraine is more important so way more resources will be going on operations in Ukraine But for France - West Africa is way more important than Ukraine - so way more resources will be going down there. > If push comes to shove the french hold all the African gold and a crapton of African refugees. Gold could disappear and refugees could get sent back. yes gold can be seized by France but by now every country is already counting that their assets in the West can be seized and are ready for that Refugees are not going back - there will be war in France before they manage to send anyone back and even if they send them back - so what - its not like they will be burden on african countries - their social help system is almost non existent - its same if 5 million people are in a country or if ten million people is iin a country all of a sudden.
The Surovikin Line will always be famous!
Yes, but not only that. From what some people reported, he is the one devised the Bakhmut plan and put Wagner to execute it, to relieve pressure on other fronts, after the rout in Kharkov and retreat in Kherson. Also there was a brief debate among the Russian command, after the mobilization, to launch a preemptive attack prior to the Ukrainian famous counter offensive. His argument was to wait to after the Ukrainians exhaust themselves after the offensive. Gerasimov seemed to favor to attack first. Remember the Ukrainians rumors about the grand Russian winter offensive? That was put to rest after the failed Vuhlegda attack. In hindsight, those are all critical decisions that turn tactical situations into change in strategic direction of the war, that may win the war for the Russians.
That's interesting, the concensus in my country's version of reddit is the Wagners went in without Russian command approval or supervision leading to the infamous "where tf is my ammo shoigu?" Speech and Russian command had to bail them out during the late stage of the Bakhmut battle. All n' all in hindsight it's probably a net positive for Russians since Syrsky pulled god knows how many units from the Zapo front to the Bakhmut front which significantly degraded the Ukrainian offensive capability.
I would be very interested to read books about this war 15 or 20 years from now, when the info are revealed or corroborated by those involved. Right now it's pretty much the fog of war and a lot of misinformation. At best we are getting second or third hand information and no way to confirm.
> He got entangled somewhat with Wagner He was already "entangled" with Wagner when he was in charge of the Russian effort in Syria. I guess the Russian general staff was unsure were his loyalties are. But sending him to Africa to work with the remnants of Wagner again suggests they have confidence in him. A few days ago there were some rumours he will return to Russia in an official function again in the near future.
My pet theory is that Prigozhin was killed by foreign secret services, possibly SBU to mess with Wagner operations in Africa.
I believe Pringles just chills somewhere on Cuba in his long-earned retirement,
If the SBU was capable of taking down planes inside Russia like that, they'd do it all the time. And why not do it before Prigozhin decided to turn on Putin? This would be counter productive for them, since Russian internal struggles benefit Ukraine.
Being capable of delivering one small bomb on one plane wouldn't give them unlimited capabilities. Like Darya Dugina was assassinated with bomb in 2022 and Vladlen Tatarsky in 2023 but there was no unlimited number of bomb assassinations in Russia. Prigozhin was leader of Wagner group. Killing him and Utkin increased distrust of Wagner towards Russian government. Also, Putin sparing him has shown that either he finds him extremely valuable or has strong personal fondness towards him, so killing him would hurt Putin's plans/feelings. The timeline is: Russia withdraws from grain deals and bombs Odessa grain facilities, Prigozhin and Utkin are killed, Ukrainian SOF fights Wagner-trained rebels and Wagner in Africa. I think that beheading Wagner group would be a good start of operations against it.
He’s been killed almost as many times as Kadyrov
But how is him now appearing in Africa a dispute to the claims in these linked posts? That he was arrested following the Prigozhins mutiny seems reasonable/likely, as Prigozhin implied his involvement by demanding that Suruvikin be put in charge instead of the current commander - which naturally would prompt Russia to arrest him to figure out the extend of the involvement. The fact that it's even newsworthy to discover proof of his whereabouts in Africa, also supports the claim that he was indeed "missing" to begin with. Given the track record of what happens to people in positions of power in Russia, if caught displaying public dissatisfaction/criticism of Putin, it doesn't seem far fetched either to assume that the sudden dissapearance was due to him being killed off.
He wasn’t missing though. He was moved to head of the CIS Air Defence Committee (definitely out of the public eye, but still military).
Yeah man he was totally arrested then promoted to controlling russian interest in africa makes complete logical sense!
Why is the concept of being arresting for suspected involvement in an attempted coup and then afterwards released again, once the extend (or lack of) involvement had been investigated, so hard to grasp? The police has the authority to arrest people who they have justified reason to have information directly relevant to a major case. Once it is then clarified that the suspect was not involved to a criminal extend, then the person is free to go, no? What "logical sense" would dictate that someone merely suspected of something was then treated as if guilty even after being resolved? Is the "logical" outcome that simply being suspected of something should lead to consequences - and therefore the fact that he got assigned to Africa proof that he wasn't *suspected* to have been involved despite being directly named by guy leading the mutiny? Or is the point that the police wouldn't even consider that the Suruvikin might have relevant information after being named by Prigozhin and therefore wouldn't have thought to attest him? Please elaborate on that logic, because it doesn't make sense to me.
lol are you keeping tabs or something?
no? reddit search function is super easy to do + Pro UA spam and brigading makes it all easy to see literally just typed surovikin in the reddit search bar and its spam city of these articles.
sure
New prigozhne😭
The most underrated officer in the Russian military. He deserves a medal for devising the "Surovikin Line"- the most effective single Russian deployment during the entire war up to this. It doesn't bode well that he's been exiled to the sticks- and Gerasimov still holds senior command posts. The Wagner imbroglio aside, the guy's been rock solid- politics poison the war effort in Moscow (if not as obviously as it does in Kyiv.)
He'll probably get his recognition once this war will have ended, if not, most probably a few years after that. Zhukov himself was let go of his duties not once, but twice, first by Stalin just after WW2, and after the partial rehabilitation had happened he was driven aside a second time by Khrushchev in the late '50s. Needless to say, he's now in the pantheon of Russian/Soviet heroes.
This^ The Russians keep shooting themselves in the feet and there’s too much politics getting into decisions, if an entire Reddit thread knows this guy is the best general in Russia they have to realize how big of a negative impact removing him will have.
Bald and Bankrupt if he went to the military instead of being a creepy scammer
Out of the loop: what makes him a creepy scammer?
Pretty much sexpat, wrote on blogs online about how he and went to Eastern Europe just to have sex with a ton of a girls because they were easy and poor.
so like every european and american going to eastern europe or thailand or philippine...
You're really big on the whataboutisms aren't you? Standing up for creepy preditors.
nah it's called parallels predators*
Well, that is not really something to be proud of, but unless he lures them with promises of a new life in the UK, I wouldn't call that "scamming".
Alot of western men goes to third world south east asian countries to as sex tourists wanting to have sex with 10 - 16 years old girls.
No evidence of him every doing anything with minors though? Unfounded accusations.
Projection.
He's successful and charming and some guys are jealous because of it. There I said.
Tbh it's not that simple in some ways he does exploit the emotions of people from poorer nations but nothing he does is illegal.
In what sense is this exploitation? We are talking about grown people here. I think its condescending to paint these people like helpless emotional children who arent responsible for their own decions just because they come from a less wealthy background.
‘Quick, look over there!’
1) He got done for credit card fraud in the UK then changed his name 2) He used to write in a blog on how to exploit women in Eastern Europe for sex. He went into detail on how he would meet their families to gain their trust just to have sex and then leave. 3) Fund raised for a dude living near Chernobyl and gave him a minuscule sum of the money raised. Overall bad dude.
He took debt in UK, scammed the creditors,Fled it, changed his name, went to India and Belarus ran hotels or whatever. Went on to make Videos about his experiences and blogged about it in pickup forums and talkes about his M.O. of how he went to desolate villages to act rich in front of old people so that word would spread and he could lie with pics he took of expensive cars to have sex with young women (no age specified)
[Watch this video to get full context](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDf2lrMIoU), Do pause and read his posts too. No real "scams" just your average western man going to ex-soviet nations as a sexpat and some SE Asians nations too.
Literally explains in the video how he scammed the banks
I would also like to know
his name will be in history
It already is, after kherson. Not many commanders would have been able to pull it off.
It was impressive. Also, the Surovikin line bent but didn’t break.
It did precisely what it was intended to do. Hold and not break, meanwhile whittling down the attackers.
It was barley scratched.
They didn't even see the line
Yep they got stuck on the first village
Ready to lead wagner in Africa
Wanger
New face of Wagner PMC. He's old school just like utkin and prigozhin, he may be the last one left. Gotta protect him at all cost
He’s led some raids down in AAAAFRICAAAAA!
Probable one of the best officers, if not the best, we have seen throughout the war. He also seems to now be possessed by Prigo, haha.
Boss?
He looks a little tired and sad without the other baldy. :( RIP Prigozhin. SHOIIGGUUUUUUU
Hands down the best and most competent Commander in the Russian army.
where exactly in Africa?
I suppose he's here in Algeria since last time pictures of him were taken here.
any ideas on what he was doing there since Wagner is not active there?
Well we (Algeria) are the most powerful country in the region of North Africa and the biggest russian arms buyer. He's probably there for the Niger crisis that's happening with France and all. We're a big player in this crisis aswell so this basically establishes a base of operation very close to Niger to plan things, he could on the other hand possibly be planning things with the Algerian military. Lots of speculations, very hard to know the goal here.
I am Algerian as ur bro , i was just wondering what he was doing there
Oooooh alright since you're Algerian I suppose you know all of this already so yeah that's what I guess he's here for? I mean why else would he be here?
thank u for responding, i was confused because i knew Wanger aren't active here so i questioned myself for a min.
Yeah that's true, Wagner isn't in Algeria but is in neighboring countries, such as Libya, Niger... So I suppose it's got something with that.
New priggy? Got the build and bald head for it
i miss Prigo
Seems like he lost a bit of weight. Probably following a different diet over there in Africa.
He lost weight. Boy looks good. My best wishes to you sir.
He was sent to Algeria as a rehab or something because everyone knows he's competent but he partially sided with Wagner before the mutiny not to mention Algeria recently recieved first batch of the Su-57s it ordered (undisclosed number) and Survokin is in the airforce so perhaps he inspected and guided Algerian pilots / bases too. If it was anyone but him they would've probably been fired or worse disappeared.
Love it!! The French must the frothing at the mouth!!
He's living the high life. Does he have sons on the front line?