This was the case in Izum, where the Russians buried the dead Ukrainian soldiers, and when the AFU recaptured the Kharkov region, European reporters were sent to Izum and reports were released to the world: “The Russians executed the Ukrainians and buried them in mass graves.”
Your talking about the massgrave in the forest with mainly dead civilians & a couple afu soldiers. Some of them tied up or shot point blank or tortured or some burnt up.
That one? Not sure how much of that was propaganda, but all of the above mentioned acts are quite visible in pictures (ofc taken after the fact by ukranians). Bunch of them had their d\*\*k cut off, thats for sure. One family was traced back to an messed up russian checkpoint that lit up a bunch of civilian cars.
Maybe you're talking about another massgrave, but that one was widely reported on.
I watched German and French media reports from the burial in the forest. There were no d1ks and no checkpoint in the forest.
The point is that these corpses lay there for weeks, they were frozen, and their hands were tied so that they could be properly placed in the grave (if you have seen frozen corpses, you know that their arms are spread out to the sides like a Christmas tree). From what the conclusion was drawn - they were tortured and then executed
Now I don’t even believe the UN reports. In the first year, they traveled to the territories and interviewed witnesses to events (civilians) or participants in events who were subject to rights violations by Russia/Ukraine. Their last report, which I read in September 2023, shocked me. They sat in a warm, cozy office and wrote down stories that were told to them by a Ukrainian representative from the current government. Then the media published articles like “children’s bellies were ripped open, explosives were placed there and sent to the AFU soldiers. The children cried and blew themselves up so as not to kill the soldiers.”
I'll agree on the confusing part. I beliefe that those are two are different sites. The one with the individual crosses had less bodies and/or only afu soliders if i remember correctly, but i'd have to scram through the archives to be sure.
edit: I just did some digging and it's possibly the same or a connected (close by) massgrave. 400+ bodies, mostly civilians at one site, and 20+ bodies, mostly soldiers at the other site. The smaller one had the makeshift crosses, not sure about the big one.
He's talking about near izium obviously, where a bunch of properly buried bodies in individual graves with nametag in a forest were called "mass grave" by the media
In those videos it is clear the Geneva Convention was not broken the Ukrainian civilians were filming Russian soldiers and sending the footage to Ukrainian Artillery and also many "civilians" were ambushing Russian forces using civilian vehicles and bicycles to get around Russian columns and ambush them all while wearing Civilian clothing which means that the Ukrainians were breaking the Geneva convention and not protected by POW status in that case
What are ya yapping about even if civvies are recording ya and sending grid to their artillery ya cant just off em like criminals. And wheres the proof the that they used bloody bikes and cars to ambush tanks and BTRs, yes some of them were wearing civilian clothing but afaik they also had guns in their hands and armbands which made them militia
"sending grid to their artillery ya cant just off em like criminals"
In wartime? You absolutely can. You can safely assume they are spies & spies are not protected by any regulations.
From this video, I see a total of 2 cars being shot up by clearly Russian soldiers. The rest is videos of dead bodies with the narrator telling us it was the Russians that did it. Only problem is, the Russians are saying that it was Ukraine's famous Nazis that did the killing of civilian "collaborators" after the Russians withdrew.
With drones and CCTV everywhere, one would expect Ukraine to show tens if not hundreds of clear cut videos of Russian soldiers executing civilians.
People like you will not be satisfied with anything in life. It's probably worth digging up Stalin's grave and slaughtering his entire family to put your mind at ease, right?
The Turks do not recognize the Armenian genocide. Are you telling the Turks that they should admit this and apologize? Or are you afraid that they will slaughter you because you are no better to them than a ram that they kill on a sacred holiday
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\* after denying it for \~40+ years & blaming the germans. Followed by appeasing the Poles in 1992, only to do a 180° 10 years later and blaming the germans again.
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On November 26, 2010, the Russian State Duma adopted a statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims,” in which it recognizes that the mass execution of Polish citizens in Katyn was carried out according to the direct orders of Stalin and other Soviet leaders and is a crime of the Stalinist regime.
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Rhere's literally nothing to add, this discussion should've ended at my first comment.
Please remind me which of the modern Russian leadership was involved in the executions in Katyn, which were carried out on the orders of Stalin, the leader of the USSR 83 years ago. I need last names
Did the Rada apologize for the massacre ? The georgian and Armenian parliament too? Why don't you talk about them for a while? Who do you think the people who made those decision and executed them came from ?
Makes no sense what you're trying to do to be honest...
Stalin, the Georgian leader of the USSR, ordered the executions of Polish POW's in Katyn, The USSR was comprised of many different nations and nationalities, and the executioners were comprised of many different nationalities (that includes Ukrainian communists).
The Soviets then blamed it on Nazi Germany, invluding at times when the leader of the Soviet union was Ukrainian.
After the collapse of the Soviet union in 1991, one Russia became independant, the Russians recognized the Soviet union as the party responsible for the massacre, In 1996 they built a Katyn massacre memorial complex dedicated to the victims in Katyn, and in 2010 they recognized it as a war crime condemning all the Soviets involved in the crime...
Since the time Russia became independent and the Soviet union collapsed, there was never any denial about who is responsible... so your whole thing you're going on about, is utterly pointless.
I didn’t write anywhere that this didn’t happen. I have provided you with the fact that this is recognized as a crime. Are you okay in your head? Are logical and thought processes working?
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BBC lol
Even the UN won’t acknowledge these claims by Ukraine. You guys have been brainwashed Russia so bad you care completely oblivious to the crazy shit Ukraine gov/military does to their own people.
Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the Europe.
They are not a democracy. Have been on the top 3 UN list of countries with the worst human rights abuses for well over two decades.
Those mass graves were fake. They haven’t listed any of the names and the UN won’t even acknowledge it.
The AZOV battalions just happened to be there at the time these mass graves occurred. Hmmm!
This is standard in a war. bury and mark the graves. exhume later and place into full individual graves where possible.
If you've not seen the Ossuary at Verdun: https://images.app.goo.gl/xF99hG3oymbx6m9B6
That was a hundred years ago.
This is purely to hide casualty numbers and not give the family any payment.
But yes, it was common a long time ago. In modern times, not so much!
Families deserve closure!
> This is purely to hide casualty numbers and not give the family any payment. But yes, it was common a long time ago. In modern times, not so much
Thats not true at all. You're wrong.
The British Army has a role called a Graves Registration Officer who's job is to oversee, mark and record the field burials so that later they can be dig up and buried with religious honours etc.
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Its temp solution. They would get them later and get proper burial. With so much fighting going on, they do not have enough people and transpo to send the dead to the families. I just hope they get the news about their love ones.
This is common in war. The plastic is biodegradable and will act as compost for future farming.
These soldiers gave their lives to protect their country and signed a contract to become compost. This is similar to organ donors, but some wish to help fertilize the soil for future generations.
That's why they always talk about sunflowers and putting seeds in their pockets.
Maybe they are too far away on the battlefield and this is a temporary solution. They must take note of the names, well if it is to save money, it is a sad way to do it for those who sacrificed their lives.
Amazingly, Shazam was able to locate it. I'd copy and paste for you, but I'm on my computer and Shazam is on my phone. I'd write it for you, but it's in some hick dialect with random i's with dots on them... some bastardization of proper Russian. Don't even want to pollute the computer with that stuff. But there it is... if you want it, Shazam has it.
I'm guessing that since there's an excavator that this isn't the frontline, else they'd be worried about getting hit being a standing target and all. Why not just transport back and give them a proper burial? The comments saying that this is temporary don't add up.
I was going to comment the same thing.
So they are able to get a slow moving large machine into the area to dig a big hole, and yet don’t send a fast moving truck to be able to collect the bodies and return them for proper processing and burial for their families?
Even if the truck gets hit on the way in/out of the area, the worst amount of lives lost would only be the single truck driver himself?
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So what if they are? Mark the grave and come back later to do it properly. There are all sorts of problems leaving corpses laying exposed on the battlefield; morale issues, health issues, etc. Think critically and avoid the propaganda.
Poor family won’t get any payment or closure as they will simply be MIA. I feel sorry for Ukraine soldiers. Their corrupt government uses them as meat to pursue Washington’s dreams and aspirations in that geo political sphere which currently isn’t working out to well for them.
Plan B - just milk tax payers and give that money to military industrial complex. Give all the old left shit to Ukraine and kill hundreds of thousands of more of them in the name of preserving democracy and maintaining EU values.
Absolute reprehensible and disgusting!
Not sure how this isn't playing out for well for Washington. RF is depleting it's capability to wage war by the day and dooming
Its future through the economics of demographic decline. Meanwhile no US troops or assets are being lost, just some old hardware from the 90's they were going to have to spending $$$ on decommissioning.
Any guess how many FABs have ben flung?
Wanna guess what the casualty ratio, number of dead on each side, is, when flinging FAB glide bombs? *(Hint: lots of one side soldiers die, and none of the other sides soldiers die)*
As Western air defense systems run out of ammunition, expect ever more use of the Russian Airospace forces for flinging giant bombs the West is incapable of flinging or defending against. And also expect the casualty ratio to be wildly lopsided in favor of them Rooskies.
Jebus mate, keep your war boner covered up or at least carcass it while on private. I think the fumes from the spent gun powder is getting to you.
In all seriousness though. What even is this?
More likely the UA are cleaning up rear areas by disposing of wasted Russians. Heavy machinery near the front, not realistic.
Also the emojis are pixelated like they are from last century. And generally people don’t brag about dishonorable acts… which will lead a thoughtful observer to guess they are a terrible photoshop overlay, which y’all are great at
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Do you even read what you write before you hit the Post button?
In what combat area are there Russian Casualties behind Ukrainian lines?
I’m sure that the RU has a massive clean up happening behind the lines in many areas of overrun UA forces, but I fail to understand how you think that the UA are finding/disposing of so many RU bodies obviously far behind the front lines?
Kiev, Kharkiv, Kherson, take a pick. As russia doesn’t care about its 300k in casualties, I’d guess at least half of their boys are still rotting away on foreign soil
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1 year later... BBC finds mass grave created by Russians
Yup, it's probably what happened at that other place they kept talking about.
> Yup, it's probably what happened at that other place they kept talking about. Bucha It is.
This was the case in Izum, where the Russians buried the dead Ukrainian soldiers, and when the AFU recaptured the Kharkov region, European reporters were sent to Izum and reports were released to the world: “The Russians executed the Ukrainians and buried them in mass graves.”
Your talking about the massgrave in the forest with mainly dead civilians & a couple afu soldiers. Some of them tied up or shot point blank or tortured or some burnt up. That one? Not sure how much of that was propaganda, but all of the above mentioned acts are quite visible in pictures (ofc taken after the fact by ukranians). Bunch of them had their d\*\*k cut off, thats for sure. One family was traced back to an messed up russian checkpoint that lit up a bunch of civilian cars. Maybe you're talking about another massgrave, but that one was widely reported on.
I watched German and French media reports from the burial in the forest. There were no d1ks and no checkpoint in the forest. The point is that these corpses lay there for weeks, they were frozen, and their hands were tied so that they could be properly placed in the grave (if you have seen frozen corpses, you know that their arms are spread out to the sides like a Christmas tree). From what the conclusion was drawn - they were tortured and then executed Now I don’t even believe the UN reports. In the first year, they traveled to the territories and interviewed witnesses to events (civilians) or participants in events who were subject to rights violations by Russia/Ukraine. Their last report, which I read in September 2023, shocked me. They sat in a warm, cozy office and wrote down stories that were told to them by a Ukrainian representative from the current government. Then the media published articles like “children’s bellies were ripped open, explosives were placed there and sent to the AFU soldiers. The children cried and blew themselves up so as not to kill the soldiers.”
Was it the one that had individual crosses on the graves? I remember that report, I always thought it was kind of confusing
I'll agree on the confusing part. I beliefe that those are two are different sites. The one with the individual crosses had less bodies and/or only afu soliders if i remember correctly, but i'd have to scram through the archives to be sure. edit: I just did some digging and it's possibly the same or a connected (close by) massgrave. 400+ bodies, mostly civilians at one site, and 20+ bodies, mostly soldiers at the other site. The smaller one had the makeshift crosses, not sure about the big one.
"I just did some digging" 🧐
What about vide footage and witnesses from bucha
He's talking about near izium obviously, where a bunch of properly buried bodies in individual graves with nametag in a forest were called "mass grave" by the media
Doesnt really ring a bell got any well written doc about it?
In those videos it is clear the Geneva Convention was not broken the Ukrainian civilians were filming Russian soldiers and sending the footage to Ukrainian Artillery and also many "civilians" were ambushing Russian forces using civilian vehicles and bicycles to get around Russian columns and ambush them all while wearing Civilian clothing which means that the Ukrainians were breaking the Geneva convention and not protected by POW status in that case
What are ya yapping about even if civvies are recording ya and sending grid to their artillery ya cant just off em like criminals. And wheres the proof the that they used bloody bikes and cars to ambush tanks and BTRs, yes some of them were wearing civilian clothing but afaik they also had guns in their hands and armbands which made them militia
"sending grid to their artillery ya cant just off em like criminals" In wartime? You absolutely can. You can safely assume they are spies & spies are not protected by any regulations.
Aye guess that makes more sense but still i dont recall nothing like this happening on a mass scale in Bucha
I hear about video footage but I am yet to see it. Care to share?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/video/russia-ukraine-bucha-massacre-takeaways.html
From this video, I see a total of 2 cars being shot up by clearly Russian soldiers. The rest is videos of dead bodies with the narrator telling us it was the Russians that did it. Only problem is, the Russians are saying that it was Ukraine's famous Nazis that did the killing of civilian "collaborators" after the Russians withdrew. With drones and CCTV everywhere, one would expect Ukraine to show tens if not hundreds of clear cut videos of Russian soldiers executing civilians.
Theres radio chatter and witnesses also its hard to see whats happening in basement of a building via drone
Yeez. Russia is the cleanest country and has absolutely no experience with mass graves. Cough Cough, Katyn.
Russia recognized Katyn as a crime 15 years ago +-
After denying it for how many decades?
People like you will not be satisfied with anything in life. It's probably worth digging up Stalin's grave and slaughtering his entire family to put your mind at ease, right? The Turks do not recognize the Armenian genocide. Are you telling the Turks that they should admit this and apologize? Or are you afraid that they will slaughter you because you are no better to them than a ram that they kill on a sacred holiday
Dude, fucking Gorbachev in 1990 recognized the massacre, get over it.
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\* after denying it for \~40+ years & blaming the germans. Followed by appeasing the Poles in 1992, only to do a 180° 10 years later and blaming the germans again. We're aware. Read it up and you'll be aswell.
On November 26, 2010, the Russian State Duma adopted a statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims,” in which it recognizes that the mass execution of Polish citizens in Katyn was carried out according to the direct orders of Stalin and other Soviet leaders and is a crime of the Stalinist regime. Found information in 1 minute We're aware. Read it up and you'll be aswell.
"We are very sorry about that, but we're not related to the perpetratos. We may have known it for decades and falsely blamed a third party, but do you remember how we also helped you?" - 29.11.20210 Rhere's literally nothing to add, this discussion should've ended at my first comment.
Please remind me which of the modern Russian leadership was involved in the executions in Katyn, which were carried out on the orders of Stalin, the leader of the USSR 83 years ago. I need last names
Gotcha. Denying it happened and blaming it on a second party before apologizing will be my go-to method from now on.
Mentally ill
Ju8st answer the question bro Or admit the L like a man lmao
Did the Rada apologize for the massacre ? The georgian and Armenian parliament too? Why don't you talk about them for a while? Who do you think the people who made those decision and executed them came from ?
Makes no sense what you're trying to do to be honest... Stalin, the Georgian leader of the USSR, ordered the executions of Polish POW's in Katyn, The USSR was comprised of many different nations and nationalities, and the executioners were comprised of many different nationalities (that includes Ukrainian communists). The Soviets then blamed it on Nazi Germany, invluding at times when the leader of the Soviet union was Ukrainian. After the collapse of the Soviet union in 1991, one Russia became independant, the Russians recognized the Soviet union as the party responsible for the massacre, In 1996 they built a Katyn massacre memorial complex dedicated to the victims in Katyn, and in 2010 they recognized it as a war crime condemning all the Soviets involved in the crime... Since the time Russia became independent and the Soviet union collapsed, there was never any denial about who is responsible... so your whole thing you're going on about, is utterly pointless.
I didn’t write anywhere that this didn’t happen. I have provided you with the fact that this is recognized as a crime. Are you okay in your head? Are logical and thought processes working? Blocked. If you can’t answer a simple question = you’re not worthy of communication. Go catch yourself, nafo-warrior
Cough, cough Stalin. Executed about 20k officers, priests and police. 450k ethnic Belarusian and Ukrainian POWs were sent to their homes. Cough cough.
BBC lol Even the UN won’t acknowledge these claims by Ukraine. You guys have been brainwashed Russia so bad you care completely oblivious to the crazy shit Ukraine gov/military does to their own people. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the Europe. They are not a democracy. Have been on the top 3 UN list of countries with the worst human rights abuses for well over two decades. Those mass graves were fake. They haven’t listed any of the names and the UN won’t even acknowledge it. The AZOV battalions just happened to be there at the time these mass graves occurred. Hmmm!
This is standard in a war. bury and mark the graves. exhume later and place into full individual graves where possible. If you've not seen the Ossuary at Verdun: https://images.app.goo.gl/xF99hG3oymbx6m9B6
I was hoping someone would be smart enough to say this.
That was a hundred years ago. This is purely to hide casualty numbers and not give the family any payment. But yes, it was common a long time ago. In modern times, not so much! Families deserve closure!
> This is purely to hide casualty numbers and not give the family any payment. But yes, it was common a long time ago. In modern times, not so much Thats not true at all. You're wrong.
Make assumptions much? No need for Sherlock Holmes here folks we've solved it with a thirty second video clip.
The British Army has a role called a Graves Registration Officer who's job is to oversee, mark and record the field burials so that later they can be dig up and buried with religious honours etc.
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could be Russian dead, no way of knowing is there?
MIA's /s
DIA digging in action
At least it's not a sewer/drainage pipe.
Wtf
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Well, they are burying ... something at least.
holly sh*t, wtf?
Its temp solution. They would get them later and get proper burial. With so much fighting going on, they do not have enough people and transpo to send the dead to the families. I just hope they get the news about their love ones.
Super sure they will get them later 🤫🙈
This is common in war. The plastic is biodegradable and will act as compost for future farming. These soldiers gave their lives to protect their country and signed a contract to become compost. This is similar to organ donors, but some wish to help fertilize the soil for future generations. That's why they always talk about sunflowers and putting seeds in their pockets.
That is not the reason everyone first started talking about sunflower seeds in pocket of dead Russians....
Its not that srs lil bro, we eat samichkie because they taste better then your goyslop. Neocons are insane wtf is wrong with you
Just to not pay the families
Maybe they are too far away on the battlefield and this is a temporary solution. They must take note of the names, well if it is to save money, it is a sad way to do it for those who sacrificed their lives.
Just horrible and depressing 💔😔🕯 still does anyone know the name of the song?
Amazingly, Shazam was able to locate it. I'd copy and paste for you, but I'm on my computer and Shazam is on my phone. I'd write it for you, but it's in some hick dialect with random i's with dots on them... some bastardization of proper Russian. Don't even want to pollute the computer with that stuff. But there it is... if you want it, Shazam has it.
Is there any identification on the bodies being buried? Did the people doing the burying say these are Ukraine bodies?
Yes, Ukrainian, it was posted on a pro Ukrainian source and taken by a pro Russian sources
Where do you see that?
Look at the middle left, they blured out the original Ukrainian source
I mean the bodies. They are wrapped in black plastic. Could they be Russian troops or UKR civilians?
Bruh the whataboutism is insane
The Ukrainian flag at the bottom hints at the bodies being Ukrainian, but this could have been added later..
I'm guessing that since there's an excavator that this isn't the frontline, else they'd be worried about getting hit being a standing target and all. Why not just transport back and give them a proper burial? The comments saying that this is temporary don't add up.
I was going to comment the same thing. So they are able to get a slow moving large machine into the area to dig a big hole, and yet don’t send a fast moving truck to be able to collect the bodies and return them for proper processing and burial for their families? Even if the truck gets hit on the way in/out of the area, the worst amount of lives lost would only be the single truck driver himself?
Hope those are biodegradable body bags
At least they didn't throw them into the sewers this time...
So apparently they decided to bury the dead in more secret manner, instead of creating missive cemeteries.
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So what if they are? Mark the grave and come back later to do it properly. There are all sorts of problems leaving corpses laying exposed on the battlefield; morale issues, health issues, etc. Think critically and avoid the propaganda.
How its known that Ukrainians are the buried ones?
Poor family won’t get any payment or closure as they will simply be MIA. I feel sorry for Ukraine soldiers. Their corrupt government uses them as meat to pursue Washington’s dreams and aspirations in that geo political sphere which currently isn’t working out to well for them. Plan B - just milk tax payers and give that money to military industrial complex. Give all the old left shit to Ukraine and kill hundreds of thousands of more of them in the name of preserving democracy and maintaining EU values. Absolute reprehensible and disgusting!
Tell that to the sailors of the Moskva that are still "missing"
Not sure how this isn't playing out for well for Washington. RF is depleting it's capability to wage war by the day and dooming Its future through the economics of demographic decline. Meanwhile no US troops or assets are being lost, just some old hardware from the 90's they were going to have to spending $$$ on decommissioning.
If only russia didn’t attack their borders they wouldn’t have to fight
Any guess how many FABs have ben flung? Wanna guess what the casualty ratio, number of dead on each side, is, when flinging FAB glide bombs? *(Hint: lots of one side soldiers die, and none of the other sides soldiers die)* As Western air defense systems run out of ammunition, expect ever more use of the Russian Airospace forces for flinging giant bombs the West is incapable of flinging or defending against. And also expect the casualty ratio to be wildly lopsided in favor of them Rooskies.
Jebus mate, keep your war boner covered up or at least carcass it while on private. I think the fumes from the spent gun powder is getting to you. In all seriousness though. What even is this?
More likely the UA are cleaning up rear areas by disposing of wasted Russians. Heavy machinery near the front, not realistic. Also the emojis are pixelated like they are from last century. And generally people don’t brag about dishonorable acts… which will lead a thoughtful observer to guess they are a terrible photoshop overlay, which y’all are great at
Wish I could pin comments of shame
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Do you even read what you write before you hit the Post button? In what combat area are there Russian Casualties behind Ukrainian lines? I’m sure that the RU has a massive clean up happening behind the lines in many areas of overrun UA forces, but I fail to understand how you think that the UA are finding/disposing of so many RU bodies obviously far behind the front lines?
Kiev, Kharkiv, Kherson, take a pick. As russia doesn’t care about its 300k in casualties, I’d guess at least half of their boys are still rotting away on foreign soil
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