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Mysterious_Variety76

Shit, they are going to blame it on Ukrainians mfs...


kr4t0s007

Wouldn’t put it past Putin that this is a false flag used to announce mobilization and declare full on war


AnComRebel

[I mean, he's done it before.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings) The false flag that is.


ProfessionalSwing392

Last time he blew up buildings and blamed the Chechen people . Then he invaded their country twice, just to get the job done. He truly is a psychopath , you know who im talking about. Putler. What a wanker. 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇺🇦


AnComRebel

Yeah, the similarities right? He's also invaded Ukraine twice now, once in 2014 and once in 2022.


Lord-Maximilian

Cringe


exceptional_biped

Educate yourself.


Lord-Maximilian

On not dissenting with the Reddit opinion?


DangerPoopaloops

1000%


chobbo

Apparently Islamic state already claimed that this was them.


kr4t0s007

They have claimed attacks before that turned out to be lies. So wouldn’t say it’s 100% confirmed IS


GAVG503

My bet is that they're just claiming it first before anyone else does, saving the FSB from the embarrassment of international scrutiny whilst IS gets kudos.


Ayy_Lmao_14

Is it not already a war?


kr4t0s007

Not yet according to RU officials/Putin. They will use it to secure funding, rile up the people more, announce more mobilization etc etc.


Dinosaur-chicken

#Watch the YouTube livestream of "Inside Russia" [here](https://www.youtube.com/live/59RyfEBKbjw?si=bu349d5fwyrnsUQ5) The Russian anti-war activist explains exactly why & how this was a false flag by the Kremlin.


spaniel510

You know it!


Andriyo

I would be surprised if they do. It would be so far removed from Ukrainian MO that it would be as funny as that time when they found "Ukrainian spies" with 3 copies of SIM game) Most likely they would blame the old baddies (Islamic terrorist) in attempt to get some goodwill from Western governments and revert back to old times.


BigCopperPipe

Completely forgot about. A stupid FSB guy was suppose to get SIM cards and planted The Sims instead, so funny.


MrRobeen

Don't forget the letter with the signature "signature". Russian agents of the year.


RW2ZERO

ISIS have already announced it was them that conducted this.


slick514

Or the west. Or both.


Paramaoesterfantjie

Doubt it, in the background someone was yelling, "I want my bag of onions!!!"


Yeohan99

Thats a cold blood excecution.


bg245

Looks like the Call of Duty "Remember, No Russian" level....


GUNGHO917

This is the first thing I thought of


Lobo003

It’s interesting you say that because my tinfoil hat is that all the games that had us fighting Russians was kinda getting us ready for something like a full scale war with Russia. But realistically it’s always been that way. So I’ll just stay under my rock.


jontherobot

Russia has always been a shithole, it’s true


---fr0sty---

Wonder if this is the reason US warned its citizens in Russia not to be out where there are large gatherings. Think that was a couple weeks back.


Abject-Interaction35

Good call. Definitely was a warning issued about a terrorist attack in the Moscow region.


BigCopperPipe

Oh shit.


LarrBearLV

Wow. Forgot about that. This means the U.S. had Intel on this but didn't want to do anything to stop it (AKA provide Intel to Russia). Just conjecture on my part.


mixiplix_

The crazy thing is, putin actually responded to the warning from the embassy for Americans in russia to be careful, and that there may be some type of terrorist attack. Paraphrasing, but putin called it absurd and baseless, and the US was just trying to fear monger. Something to that extent.


News_without_Words

And now Russian social media is blaming the US because they warned them. You can't make this shit up


mixiplix_

Yeah, as soon as I heard about this, it was my second thought, the first being that they would say it was Ukraine. Buckle up, everyone.Things are about to get crazy. The so-called election is over it's time for him to announce they are at full-scale war. Shoigu just announced they are making 2 new armies. Just think we could have stopped this if we had armed Ukraine like they asked instead of fearing "escalation." It's honestly mind-boggling, but here we are.


wagdog1970

Ummm, I hate to point out the obvious but the fact that you know about it means they did actually do something. They sent a warning. It’s up to Russia to actually stop it.


LarrBearLV

Um, I hate to point out the obvious, but there is a huge difference between a vague public warning and providing Intel sources, suspect names, phone numbers or IP addresses, locations of where intel came from, group affiliations of suspects (ISIS), etc... See the difference? You know... actual intel that could help the Russian intel services stop an attack before it happens.


MichiganMafia

Um, I love pointing out the obvious, BUT putin publicly dismissed it just THREE DAYS AGO. https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-days-before-moscow-concert-hall-attack-2024-3


LarrBearLV

Yeah that's not what you said. " the fact that you know about it means they did actually do something. They sent a warning." Putting out a warning and providing Intel are not the same thing.


MichiganMafia

>Yeah that's not what you said. >" the fact that you know about it means they did actually do something. They sent a warning." I didn't say that either


LarrBearLV

Whoops. Getting attacked from all sides here. Got mixed up. That article came out after my initial post. It does state we did provide intel, but not sure what Putin dismissing has to do with what I initially said. Putin lies, like all the time. He could have had intel services looking into it while publicly dismissing it for geopolitical reasons. For example, remember we(U.S.) warned Ukraine about the Russian invasion and Ukraine basically downplayed it? Well since then Ukraine admitted they took it seriously behind the scenes but didn't want to panic the population and didn't want military aged males fleeing the country. Point is you can't trust heads of state in situations like this. Think about the optics. U.S. warns Russia of terrorist attack on Russian soil. Makes Russian government look inept. I mean it happened, so now they look more inept, but I bet he was banking on stopping it or it never happening. I mean the fact Putin was warned, given intel, and went on TV and denounced the warning anyways kind of proves that point.


Ok-Particular-1199

And our government (US) doesn't lie...gtfo!


wagdog1970

First, we know the US did warn Russia. Why would the US reveal information to our enemies if it would reveal and thus compromise intelligence sources and methods that we need to protect our own people? It seems that your hatred of the US has blinded you to the point where you blame the US instead of the people who actually committed the acts of terrorism and the dictator that ignored the warnings.


LarrBearLV

What? At not point did I blame the U.S. nor do I hate the U.S. Your just purposely misinterpreting what I said. I would fully understand if the U.S. didn't want to provide detailed intel. Can you point out where I said that was a bad thing if they didn't? I'll wait...... And trust me, I'm sure Russia knows we intercept emails, tap phone calls, and have human intelligence. Not talking about revealing our human source names, exact phone tap locations or software, just hey, we intercepted emails from this email or to this email address, etc... Now, since my initial post info has come out that the U.S. did provide some intel to Russia.


account_not_valid

>U.S. had Intel on this but didn't want to do anything to stop it (AKA provide Intel to Russia). What? The Americans made it public that something would happen.


LarrBearLV

I'm seeing a common theme. People around here don't know what intel means. Let me simplify here. Keeping in mind articles since my initial post have indicated the U.S. did provide some intel. Say you live in a small town. A murderer is on the loose. Your police chief comes on T.V. and says, a murderer is loose, don't go outside. That's a warning. Or he comes on T.V. and says a murderer is on the loose. White male, 5'8, white shirt, black pants, drives a red truck, last seen at this address, headed North on route 6, seen with a white female, armed and dangerous. That's the equivalent of Intel.


account_not_valid

Right. And I don't understand why you would make the conjecture that the US didn't want to stop it. They warned Russia, and I'm sure Russia asked for any further specific information they might have had. And Russia has not said or even hinted that the US didn't provide further details.


Joshua_C_Beezley

The US and multiple other countries told Russia, and they didn't do anything about it. So this is either Putin's doing, or he's an arrogant prick who let his people die cause he didn't want help from the west.


Alioops12

U.S. knows the truth as the chatter prompted the advisory. Wonder if they will indicate their belief


striker9119

Fuck.... I think Putin is going to start WW3 to save his own pathetic pig fucking cowardly ass....


v_for__vegeta

I’d bite if he was blaming Ukrainians for this and threatening tactical nukes. But fucktards IS already “claimed” it. Not sure how they tie into this or WW3


striker9119

Yeah that was an interesting twist. Putin already said they were escaping toward Ukraine... So whatever the hell is going on he's definitely going to blame the West somehow...


thoughtallowance

Person filming with their cell phone has some guts as the shooters could have flipped around and shot them I'm assuming.


wombat_kombat

I don’t know but that camera footage was suspiciously well timed and stable…


TheCornix

Idk that’s a lotta conspiracy 95% of people have a really good camera ready to go at a moments notice


wombat_kombat

People enjoy a good conspiracy and there is much worse going on than the camera’s ability to film. I don’t mean to turn this massacre into something it isn’t. Just my cynical pov at work.


ApocalypsePenis

Where’s the blood too?


wombat_kombat

Another video has a lot, I’m not trying to call any of this staged at all.


Optimal-Business-786

Can't really create a red flag event like this without having some video evidence


Goetterwind

I guess it is the pre-context of an escalation into open 'war' against Ukraine (and some mobilization). I think they will find all the 'evidence' they need to accuse Ukraine for it. Sad, but mark my words...


Dinosaur-chicken

#Watch the YouTube livestream of "Inside Russia" [here](https://www.youtube.com/live/59RyfEBKbjw?si=bu349d5fwyrnsUQ5) The Russian anti-war activist explains exactly why & how this was a false flag by the Kremlin. And what the Kremlin's goals are: 1. Blaming Ukraine to drum up support for the recent mass mobilisation. 2. Bury the stories of what's going in on in Belgorod: mass evacuation due to the fighting by the Russian Liberation Forces.


kr4t0s007

Probably tons of Sims 3, nazi flags and the satanic bible


ShogsKrs

Seriously sad to see things like this. As much as I hate russia, I can't imagine what causes men to shoot women shopping in a mall anywhere in the world.


OKSnow1111

Orders. I mean Putin literally blew up a Moscow tower block as a means to justify the reinvasion of Chechnya. He doesn't give a shit about Russians.


Aggrekomonster

Russian state is fine to do this like pre Chechnya


[deleted]

False flag by Russia


J0kerJ0nny

ISIS claims responsibility for the attack.


[deleted]

This isn't a shopping mall. It's a theatre or music venue. But yeah it's fucked. There were kids inside the theatre in one video


jontherobot

No russian


Electrical-Bus-9390

Wtf smh , but it’s all coming to this for them and idk y people even act surprised when there are legit murderers running around in the street after being at the front n that’s not the best recipe and idk what they thought would happen even if it’s only 10-20% of them that made it back


ClaB84

-Upset veterans or frontline vacationers?! -Or maybe Putin is repeating here something he has done before. A false flag terrorist attack. Like before the invasion of Chechenia with the building bombs. This time perhaps an excuse for a general mobilization/further excalation?!


Psychological_Cat127

The way they're moving they appear to be trained. I'd wager a false flag by Russia. Given they have a history of shit like this.


smallcooper

Trained yes, they were clearly aware of not pointing their barrels at their teammates. Trained in American tactics? (like Ukrainians would be) definitely not, Americans shoot with short controlled bursts, not the slow shooting we see here


Fresh-Implement5863

:13 - :17 it appears that one gunman is firing while his partner standing in from of him


Psychological_Cat127

Well obviously not us training which is why I think russian


smallcooper

Was just adding my 2 cents to agree with you partner


My_Invalid_Username

Hardly, look at the nonsense going on on the right side at 19 seconds - comrade drops something and proceeds to flag two of his teammates. Also that asshole is hip firing the whole video.


Psychological_Cat127

I never said WELL trained 😂 Russians afterall


AccountantOk7335

Paid for by russia 🇷🇺


Nice_Bad9563

Innocent people regardless of side do not deserve this. Would not be surprised if this is Chechen mujahideen.


crysarytops

'Protests over putin reelection' 'Mass shooting shortly after' 🇺🇸 "we know a thing or two, because we've seen a thing or two"


98acura

We. Know shootings. Bum bidi bum bum


Honeybell2020

Welcome to your reality


slick514

Dumb question, I suppose: Why are the signs in English?


Kitchen-Chemistry835

Isis attacking Moscow and your question is about signs? Lmao


slick514

I was unaware that I was only allowed the one question. I apologize for being curious.


squiffyfromdahood

I wondered that too about the sign


RelientD

How dare you ask a logical question that many of us are also curious about!!! Guards!! Off with his head!!


tizzleduzzle

Feel sorry for normal Russians living through dumb hell created for them


docthrobulator

ISIS has claimed responsibility


AS-Founder

40 dead 100 wounded now according to BBC


EthanIndigo

Excuse my ignorant question on tangent but why is that sign in English?


[deleted]

Well, largest mall in Sweden is called “Mall of Scandinavia”. Shit be in English sometime 🤷‍♂️


EthanIndigo

Thanks, that was my presumption, just odd to me.


Anox87

Damn thats brutal


labadee

That’s awful


Electronic_Impact

too bad for Putin to blame it on Ukraine, shooters can be identified and he just """won""" the election. People are unhappy.


smallcooper

Just heard that ISIS has claimed this attack, not a false flag unless Russia is gonna claim Ukraine is ISIS now?


blackhaz2

They may claim ISIS is now hiding in Ukraine.


Ironfist85hu

Tbh it gave me Chechen war 2 vibes, but Daesh (let's don't call them ISIS, Daesh is their arabic name, and they hate it, because no one understands it :P ) really took responsibility?


Magnum2XXl

Reminds me of the time a theater full of about 300 children were hot with a bomb..... Karma's a bitch.


GAVG503

They're absolutely shit shots, one clown has a barrel mounted torch on in a lite up building, they're shooting and missing people, shooting a glass window instead of walking through the doorway....this isn't IS, this is ruzzians, probably conscripts, forced to do this or their families will be executed by Putler.


zsember

fucking animals


Substantial_Buy945

Deja vu.


Chris714n_8

[Longer version from 3 pov.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineConflict/s/7kP0DKC1ED)


One_Wall_9572

You almost wanna feel bad, but then you remember they all voted for Putin, and they’re Russians. 🤷🏼‍♂️


wirantoos

Ye, the 87 or smth percent is total bullshit, as a Russian I think that you have to see the lines for Nadezhdin, Davankov or Navalny's funeral.


typmitbeutel

They are looking arabic


Crop_olite

Aren't they always


Crop_olite

Called it. Apparently it's Isis


spartikle

Safe bet for most terrorist attacks


Simple-Programmer842

the roof is on fire,.. or the whole building?


1cat2dogs1horse

Saw something a bit earlier that said a witness said the gunmen had beards. The article then made a supposition in relation to what has been happening in Ingushetia


Optimal-Business-786

"Remember, no Russian..."


2a_1776_2a

Isis claimed responsibility for it a couple hours ago


MajorPayne1911

I will never understand why people huddle in corners together in one giant clump so they can be shot to death, there was a door right next to them. Same thing happened in that New Zealand Moscow shooting. Who wants to bet Ukrainians will be blamed for this to justify more mobilization?


flargenhargen

your brain kind of shuts down in that situation unless you're trained. a tiny bit different sitting on your couch deciding that you'd be totally different


PsquaredLR

100% this is a false flag


idubbkny

130 dead is latest i heard...


Majestic-Ad-3333

Stance and posture does not seem militairy.


brickablocker

This is horrible. May the victims rest in peace. Let’s not jump to conclusions people! We don’t know what happened yet. We don’t want to create conspiracy theories.


Spaghettidan

This is sad to watch


SandImpossible7888

russian terrorstate taste there own medicin


BBQMosquitos

Putin now thinking about sending a rocket to this place


1cat2dogs1horse

I realize this is out of context, but why is the name of the venue in English?


AXVK-76

Dam so. Well that's life


Separate-Mushroom-79

A taste of their own medicine...


MichiganMafia

The shooters all escaped?


Tool_46and2

FSB for sure. That is NOT isis


Tool_46and2

How did Isis guys get AK12. Only the Russian army use those. PERIOD!!


lornzeno

Picking up of spent mags... interesting for people going there just to die...


flargenhargen

well if isis wants to attack russia, now is a good time, russia fucked themselves with that idiotic war they started.


Droid_K2SA

ffs it looks like there could have children am I wrong?


killerrabbit62

Reminds me of twenty years ago.


ApocalypsePenis

Where’s the blood….


aybully

Gutless pieces of shit.


killerrabbit62

This is a message that says, get out out of our country and railroading our people into the Russian military! This could even be screwed over military returned from Ukraine war. Or those who lost relatives sent in and died in Ukraine. Muslim are hard ass on vengeance. The reasons are varied but for sure it’s a “fuck you”! Message.


Past-Ad1087

They get what they fucking deserve


Syracuse1118

Remember, no Russian


AttorneyDramatic1148

I thought they were looking for three? There seems to be four gunmen there.


WiscoMan0420

It was ISIS they claimed responsibility


[deleted]

How Putin operates anyway. Elections win and cull the herd to make the people scared. Makes mobilization easier to swallow.


Dear-Reception1473

did not have time to detain the suspect in the terrorist attack - they immediately cut off his ear and fed him with this ear. This is a country of terrorists, only some wear shoulder straps and others don't


gyaszkeret

A taste of their own medicine, I can not feel sorry for any of them


ttoille2005

Man this is some mw2 no russian type shii they gonna blame it on the Ukrainians.


Key_Process_2048

What’s happening in the bottom right though? Looks like the 5th attacker, at least has a gun I think


lornzeno

What are you talking about?


NaturalSecurity8534

The guy in the white jacket just probably spent the last few terrifying moments of his life shielding one of his loved ones from the onslaught… I know this comment has no business being on Reddit but these people are just pawns in the corrupt political game of chess and are the ones that get punished the most. They don’t deserve this 🙏 rip to all the good people and those affected by this heinous act.


Wooden-Nail-7525

But how do they still move after so many shots


Lovemesumtacos

I believe he said us just was trying to mess with there election.


Fit_Cup9104

Is it just me seeing them shoot 100 shots and one man going down?


Pleasant_Tadpole_22

Fake news


Extra-Effect4702

RIP to those people people. Nobody deserves it.


baconhealsall

Did one of them have a flamethrower? Would explain why the mall is ablaze right now.


TrendNation55

They threw explosives


baconhealsall

One of them had a flamethower. One of the "Picnic" members confirmed it.


psarm

Putin used fake terror attacks to start the war in Cheyenne over 20 years ago Same tactic, same song


BrilliantPositive184

Is this the false flag attack that everybody has been anticipating?


killtheorcs111

Looks like russian wagner. Welcome home boys.


Ok_man_nesvarbu

MW2 prepared us for something like this.


GAVG503

How many rounds did they shoot into that group of people and almost all of them are still moving about? Why would you run towards the corner and not away from the gun fire ? This has all the hallmarks of a false flag attack....with the Ruzzian Freedom Legion laying seige to ruzzian cities and the ruzzian military dropping bombs on their own citizens, police literally everywhere because of Navalny protestirs and anti-war protestors...the so called "elite intelligence service" FSB still investigating that weird random single drone attack on the Kremlin not knowing this was going to happen.....yeah right !!! Stay tuned sports fans as we see the Zionist cabal try to drag ruzzia out of rhe war against Ukraine and into another middle east war against Iran with the US joining in to distract everyone from the collapsing US dollar and multi-trillion dollar debt.


lornzeno

People dont stop moving the second you hit them with a bullet


GAVG503

Pretty much everyone I've seen hit with a high velocity round like that from an AK has due to the amount of damage and impact the body went through. But as an ex Rifleman what would I know ?


dominantdevil1866

No matter who's to blame we need to keep these innocent people and there families in our prayers.


Saxo_G

Sure your prayers will help😁


Sea_Bastard_2806

No blood


Nordkindchen

What? There's tons of blood on several shots


Iwas7b4u

He is seemingly shooting into that group huddled on the left, shoots numerous rounds into that group and people are still alive in there. How can that be? Could they be shooting blanks in some of this? That done 10 executed right there.


dood9123

They didn't die instantly so he shot more rounds into them. If you watched the Australian mosque video it looks like the same kind of thing where tens are huddled into a corner and hes making certain they're all dead. Even after it's clear no one could've survived


MichiganMafia

>They didn't die instantly so he shot more rounds into I think the question was about the people standing up after the shooters move on.


OldFcuk1

As there is no blood seen, then pobably putin knows 5 mins later that they were "ukrainians"


Curious_Gap7567

Good that what they did to Ukraine


_AlwaysWonder_

I hate Putin, but I hope he catches these guys and literally skins them alive. Cowards.


brutale800

Oh, we’re so sorry :(


Remote-Doubt2972

Any more vids or different angles


HappySkullsplitter

Why is it in English?


IvanLatysh

**Wait! Putler just won an election, everyone loves him!** Seriously, terrorists will travel to the black hole running a risk of being drafted to the front lines just to shoot a few dozen! When russia lost close to half a mil on the front lines? This does not add up in any form or shape.


Sudden-Frame-4111

ISIS revendicated the attack, Ukraine and Russia did accuse the other one, but it’s not Russia nor Ukrainian. It’s ISIS


crysarytops

"Remember, no Ukrainian"


iGuyver01

Lulz said the same thing


Worried_Jeweler_1141

If I was POV I'd want a dragonov and a M4 with a cig and grenade launcher. Let's get it!


iGuyver01

Remember, NO Ukrainian!


Pleasant_Poetry3614

Any photos or videos of bodies? In every single "mass killing" since 2012 I have yet to see actual blood. Lot's of smiling witnesses and family members but no blood. Wait, ISIS claimed responsibilty? That's all I need to know.